Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1170 Bears Don't Throw Rocks

Episode Date: July 12, 2025

Sean writes "I'm a 51 year old clinical social worker, love the woods, and have had a few interesting experiences myself but we're writing today because my 13 year old, Bennett, came back from a week long Scout camp in Mississippi in which he AND his friend Dylan experienced the following: The two boys were hanging out by themselves in an area somewhat isolated, waiting on the other boy's dad to meet them. Bennett suggested they had time to walk up a nearby trail and look around. Shortly after starting out they hear footsteps in the woods to their left. And yes, when they stopped the footsteps would stop. The boys knew there was another nearby trail and called out, "Hello"? No answer. They walked again and again hear the footsteps. They stop again. Then, as Bennett tells it, they're looking in the direction of where the steps were coming from. He said the woods are not thick at all and they can see pretty well at 50' plus into the woods. He said they both see this clear mass from behind a tree that looks like it's "on delay". He then named a movie trying to describe what it looked like and I asked if it was like the Predator movie and he said yes. He said it looked to be a little taller than me so about 6' and the "top part" of it would lean out from the tree. Although I've heard of these experiences before, Bennett had not, which makes this awfully awfully strange in my book! We would love to get your feedback and experience about this "encounter"(?)! We will also be speaking with Seth, Seth writes "I found your pod cast last year and I've been hooked ever since. I'm a farmer and Hunter and everything outdoors guy and I had a short experience while mushroom hunting with my ex girlfriend and our son 2019. I've wanted to share with my friends but I haven't told anybody because like many others I don't want the you're crazy label. I'd love to talk to you and see what you think cause I'm still a skeptic on the whole Sasquatch thing but now I'm about 60%-40% that there's something out there after what happened to us. I used to make fun of people who brought it up and now I actually feel bad cause I believe something is out there now and I'd like youre take?"

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened one? What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. This is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a mail, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here.

This is Nankha from Cold Lake, Alberta, Canada. You're listening to, in my opinion, the best place to share your encounter stories, Sasquatch Fonicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Sean and his son Bennett. And Bennett is 13 years old. He was at a scout camp in Mississippi.

Mississippi, and this is a very recent encounter where he was followed out of this area in the woods, him and a friend of his, by this very large creature. And I'll kind of let Bennett go into it. We're also going to be chatting with Seth. And Seth comes to us from Washington State. And back in 2019, he had a very strange experience when he was out with his family. John is a self-described skeptic and doesn't believe in Bigfoot, but I suspect some of that will change after his experience. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Seth to the show. Seth, thanks for coming on. You're welcome, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. Now, you had this incident in 2019 in Washington. If you would, just start from the very beginning.

What were you doing and what happened? All right, on May 9th, 2019, my ex-girlfriend and I and our little boy, boy, we decided to go up to Rimrock Lake and do some mushroom hunting. So we left about 8 o'clock here, and we got up there about 9.30, and there was a lot of people hunting mushrooms. So we hunted around for a little bit, weren't finding anything. And then we found this forest service road that cut off to the backside of the mountain. So I decided to take it.

and we drove as far as we possibly could. It came to a dead end, and we stopped, and we were just looking around. I thought, well, let's walk through the woods a little ways, and let's see how it looks. So we did, and my little boy was all excited. He loved being out in the woods. We walked about a mile and a half from the truck,

and we came across this meadow with this runoff pond or little lake that was in the bull. of this meadow. And instantly, when we got down there in the marshy spots, we were finding mushrooms like crazy. We weren't paying, we got so excited. We weren't paying any attention to the surroundings, to anything. And the wood line to this pond was about 30 yards, 50 yards away.

And we started digging mushrooms. I was about 20 feet, 25 feet. from my girlfriend at the time and my little boy was right beside me and we we hunted there for about an hour and we were just cleaning house mushrooms everywhere we started walking around the pond about 20 minutes of walking around the pond we I was been over my little boy was beside me and I heard this like whoosh I kind of stood up and before I could see anything, I heard a big splash right beside me or behind me. And I turned around real quick, and when I turned it around, it was the kind of splash where a very

heavy, heavy object hit the bottom and then the mud and water came up and then rained down. And I'm like, well, that was weird. So I sat there and looked at it and all of a sudden this log comes floating up to the top. And this log or tree limb, whatever you want to call it, was about four and a half, five feet long, and probably anywhere from 13 to 15 inches in diameter. And I sat there for a second. All three of us were stunned. I had no idea what it was. And me being the logical one, I said, well, it just rolled off the hills.

You know, it rolled out of the tree line. because I didn't believe in Sasquatch. I didn't believe in any of that. We sat there for a little bit and looked around. It was quiet, no birds, nothing. The frogs quit making noise. I mean, there was millions of frogs in these ponds. We went back to picking.

And when we went back to, we kept walking around this pond and we were digging mushrooms. And about a half hour later, I heard something coming through the tree line. And I looked, I caught a little black object out of the corner of my eye. And this rock landed right beside me on my left side, beside me and my little boy, and it splashed mud all over, all over me. And this rock was probably 20, maybe 20 plus inches in diameter is like a 16-pound bowling

ball and it hit with such force that it was about three quarters of the weight covered in this mud marsh at the edge of this lake or pond. I looked at my girlfriend at the time, her ex-girlfriend at the time, I looked at her, and she had drawn her 9mm and was aiming it toward the tree line. So instinctively, I grabbed mine, my 45, and I'm aiming it at the same tree line. I'm looking at it and I'm pointing and I'm like, did you see anything? She said no. So he sat there and my little boy's eyes are the biggest soccer balls.

My heart's pounding. I started to walk toward the tree line a little ways. And out of nowhere, something took off through these baby fur and pine and tamaract trees that were on the edge of this tree line. these things were maybe 20 feet, 30 feet tall and maybe 3, 4 inches in diameter. And I noticed that the tops of them were shaking so hard that they were hitting each other. And you could see where something was tearing off around this tree line going through those young trees because you could follow it by the tops of the trees shaking and hitting each other. We didn't hear any grunts.

We didn't hear any noises. We didn't smell anything. But when we saw that, I'm like, okay, you know, we need to go because I can't explain this. I have no idea what's going on. Because bears are out that time of year. They're coming out of hibernation. They're hungry. And my first instinct was it was a big black bear.

but as we're walking out and we're heading back toward the truck realistically I'm thinking there's no way a black bear is going to throw a rock or a log you know 20 25 yards from the tree line there's just no way and we found this trail that I thought was the one that we came in on so we're high tailing it out there I've got my AR in hand my ex-girlfriend's got her 9mm in hand and again there's not a noise that whole side of the mountain is just dead quiet

and we're taking off we're leaving we're heading toward the truck but it was about halfway up when I realized that we were not on the same trail that we came in on because there was little rock shelves that we crawled over and there was little tiny caves that we went by, and we didn't see any of that.

So we knew we were on the wrong trail. So we stopped for a minute. We started looking around, and then she walked over to me, she goes, do you smell that? And I go, no. I go, my allergies are kind of bothering me. I go, I can't smell anything.

And she goes, something smells dead. And I'm like, well, it's probably just a dead deer or something like that. So we turned around We started Looking for this trail that we came in on Then I smelled it I'm like

That's that's something big That's something that's dead Something's big So then we started looking for it Why we started looking for it? I don't know because we were so scared There was no way that We should have stuck around

But we walked around And then she found it She found some fur And it was a little spike elk and this thing wasn't poached the the

fur on the one side was was literally ripped off it just looked like someone peeled a banana the rib cage was lit clean I mean the bones were white the kill was maybe

three four days old the blood on the on the ribs it was still sticky it was still red. It was just starting to smell. We looked at it. She noticed, she goes, look at this. And she pointed down.

And the one, the left hind leg of that elk, the femur, was literally snapped in half. Like, not cut, not with the saw, nothing. It was snapped. It was splintered. And I started looking at the other one. I kind of grabbed it and pulled the leg over. and that one was broke. It still had skin on it,

but right at the mid femur, it was broke. You could wiggle it around. And I grabbed Hunter. He was kind of oblivious. I mean, he's only six years old. I grabbed him, and I said, okay, we got to, we're leaving. We're out of here. So we started walking around, and I found the trail,

and my ex-girlfriend was about 30-yard strike, me because we were looking for this trail, whoever found it first, you know. So I found it. I waved door and we took off. This was about five in the afternoon. And that time of year, five in the afternoon, it starts to get dark, especially when you're in the woods. And got on the trail, we found the truck, we disarmed, we climbed in the truck.

And I started it and I sat there for about five minutes. And we just looked at each other. And I'm like, what happened? What was that? And we went through every scenario that we could think of. And there was no way that was any four-legged animal that could do anything like that. There's no way. And I still don't believe in Sasquatch, but I cannot explain that.

We didn't see anything. We didn't see a body. We didn't see any color and any fur. but whatever it was, whatever took off through that tree line, it made a mess. Yeah, I think when you take Bigfoot out of the equation, it's kind of hard to explain what happened. I don't see a man shaking those trees. I mean, I realize you're describing them as baby trees, but 20 foot tall pine or fur is still a pretty sturdy tree to shake or even take down.

How far away were those trees when they were shaking? shaking. I was about 25 yards, roughly, roughly about 25 yards. Whatever it was, just followed the edge of the tree line right as the pond is. It just kind of followed it around. Yeah, and I know that you're skeptical of Sasquatch, but let's kind of go down the list of what it could be. I know those baby trees you're talking about. I've seen them many times, and I can tell you, they're pretty sturdy. I mean, it's a pretty hardy, both pine and fur are pretty hardy trees. And I'm a big guy. I don't know that I could shake them on my way out.

But, I mean, what else do you think it could have been? That's the thing, Wes, I don't know what it could have been. I honestly don't. The only thing that comes to mind, the biggest animal out there is a bear. And our black bears aren't that big out here. Once in a great while, you'll see one that tops maybe 400 pounds. but most of the time they're two, $2.50, they're not that big. Yeah, the black bearers in the Pacific Northwest really aren't that big.

I mean, I wouldn't go toe to toe with one, but they're not, on the grand scheme of life, they're not very big. And they also don't throw rocks. Yes, they don't throw rocks. They don't throw a five-foot log or tree land, whatever you want to call it. Let me ask you, how would it change your reality if you saw one of these creatures? and you were reflecting back on this moment. If I could see some 100% proof that they're out there,

I would come back and say that that's probably what it was. But I can't say it's not. I can't say it is because I'm still somewhat of a skeptic. But out of everybody I've listened to on your podcast, there's been many of them, many of the other encounters that are just like mine. Some people have seen them, some haven't.

And I just, I have it. Have ever looked into this subject as far as what evidence is actually there? I have. After the, I always, you know, watch things on Sasquatch when I was little. You know, it was just something that kind of intrigued me.

I've been looking into it, and I've seen some things, some pictures and some evidence that I'm like, you know, hey, that's pretty good. You know, that could be. But in the back of my mind, I'm like, well, no one's seeing it. I mean, there's no 100% proof. There's not one dead in some laboratory somewhere. So I just can't quite get on board. But the more I think about it and the more I hear other people's encounters and the way mine went, I'm getting to the point where I do believe that something could be out there.

I just don't know what. Outside of actually seeing one, what would it take to convince you that these things are out there? If someone could, if someone had an encounter like I did and was able to get a good picture of an actual figure and a video of some sounds or something like that, that would help a lot. But in just my way of thinking, there's too many people that want to be the first one to see it and the first one to have evidence, so they do anything they can to make it look like there is,

something out there, and there's just not. Like, I watch a lot of these big foot shows on TV, like mountain monsters and stuff like that. And there's just, it's too hokey. There's no way. and like finding Bigfoot or whatever. I'm in the same camp as Renee Holland is. I mean, these guys hear a twig snap

and all of a sudden it's Sasquatch, well, that could be a squirrel, it could be a bird, it could be anything. And that right there is what ruins it for me that keeps me a skeptic because every time there's a sound out in the woods, it's automatically Sasquatch, and there's a million animals out there it could be.

Yeah, but you have to remember. all of these TV shows, Mountain Monsters, Finding Bigfoot, Expedition Bigfoot, they are built on entertainment. They're not built on trying to convince a world that this thing is out there.

I think out of all of them, probably Finding Bigfoot did the best job at that. But even at the end of the day, finding Bigfoot is still entertainment. As far as videos go, what's your take on the Patterson Gimlin film? I've seen it. I've watched it. I can't. I just, I don't know. The thing moves pretty natural. It's not, it doesn't move like a person in a suit. But that is probably the best evidence I have yet to see. But I just can't quite get on board with it. And I don't know why. Because, I mean, that's the best proof I've seen.

Seth, have you ever looked at trackcast or gotten copies of trackcast and just kind of looked at them or ever heard Dr. Meldrum speak about these footprints? Yeah, and I've listened to Bob Gimlin. I've listened to, oh, what's the guy from Idaho State University that does all the Bigfoot stuff? Yeah, Dr. Melderm, the professor of autonomy and anthropology. Is that him? Yeah, I've seen his tracks that he has, and I think there was an episode of, oh, I can't remember the name of that show, but it laid out all of his footprints and stuff he's got and where it came from, and that's some pretty good evidence also.

You know, a couple of years ago, I bought a bunch of these casts of these tracks that were made from all over the United States. And you can buy them online. They were really relatively cheap at the time. And I even know that Cliff Brockman with the North American Bigfoot Center, his museum up there, he makes copies of these tracks. And you can buy the cast from the track. And I had them all laid out at my desk one time. And I was sitting there looking at them. And you can tell just by looking at them, this was made by a. living, something living made this. And Cliff's a good guy to go to because, I mean,

that guy really knows his different trackways and different casts. And he even showed me like fake ones and was pointing out like 50 different things, how you can tell this is a fake compared to a real one. And you being skeptical, I would even encourage you to go down to the North American Bigfoot Center. I've been in this for a long time. It feels like forever at this point. I learned a lot walking away from Cliff's Museum.

I mean, I really, there was a lot of evidence that I was shocked by that's out there. I didn't even think about. So that's one thing that I'd recommend is go check out that museum that he has. It's outside of Gresham. You had mentioned audio. You know, if you heard good audio, what's your take on the Ohio howl or that samurai chatter that gets reported? The samurai chatter,

that's what they call it. I have no clue what that is. I couldn't even begin to speculate what that is. But I've heard a lot of these screams and stuff that people have been putting out there and stuff like that. And most of them, to me,

sound like a bobcat in heat or a cougar, a small cougar, looking for a maid, or its mom. I've done a lot of big game hunting in my life, and I've seen and heard a lot of cats. And to me, a lot of those screams sound like a big feline,

a cougar or a big bobcat. Yeah, I agree with you. I think sometimes people are capturing felines, whether it be like a mountain lion or a bobcat or some of those screams, I will agree with you on, not all of them, but some of them I will agree with you on. You know, we talk about the Ohio Howl a lot. It was captured back in 1994 by Matt Moneymaker in Ohio.

And, you know, that particular vocal is a very strange one, but that's not the only one that was captured. I wish I had the one from California queued up. I don't have it. This one's from Maine in 2012. And here's the Ohio how I talked about from 1994. Kind of a weird vocal. It's been described many times as like an air raid siren.

And I actually had one from California. I know I have one from Washington. I don't have queued up. But I've spoke with a few eyewitnesses that I've actually seen them do this vocalization. But, you know, if you don't believe in Bigfoot, I don't know what else in my mind. I mean, what other animal could make a sound like that? all the times I spent out in the woods hunting stuff like that, that one does not sound familiar to me at all.

I couldn't, that one's odd. That one, I couldn't tell you what that was even close to. You know, one thing I wanted to ask you is, you know, we, here in the United States and in North America in general, we have the Sasquatch or the Bigfoot. You get down to Australia and they have the Yawi's. You go over to Russia, they have the Almas. You go over to China and Tibet.

They have the urine and the Yeti. When you get into Vietnam, the soldiers called them rock apes. So all around the world, everyone is seeing this creature. And we're all basically describing the same thing, even though we're giving it a different name. even the Native Americans when they were here thousands of years before us they had a name for it

what do you make of this thing being seen all around the world that that's something that I that's something that I can't explain I mean that's that's what gets that's what puts me on right there on the line of believing

and not believing is that every country has one just under a different name And like you said, they describe it the same way. Its tactics are the same thing. It does everything the same. Yeah, I can appreciate your skeptical point of view for sure. I like skeptics.

A lot of other questions they ask are very fair questions that I don't have an answer for and I don't think anyone else does either. And I do think that you ran into a Sasquatch because I can't think of anything else that just as behavior alone, it makes me think. think it was a Sasquatch, even though you didn't see it. Have you ever gone back to this area? No, I have not been back to that area. We've gone my current girlfriend now, my little boy, we've gone mushroom hunting in that

around Rimrock, but I've never gone back to that spot. Have you not returned because of the encounter or just kind of a lack of time? Kind of both. It's a long walk. It's a long ways back there. and I mean if your truck ever broke down or you ever needed help it's not there it was probably pretty stupid to go that that far out the first time yeah I would encourage you to keep searching for answers you know outside of people's encounters look at the hard evidence look at some of the

evidence that's put forth and make up your own mind you know what I mean I will I plan on it and I think the other reason that this thing hasn't been proven 100% is because once it is proven, it's going to take someone to shoot one and someone to put it in a lab. But if someone did find one and find legit evidence of one and make it known, that would destroy all of the state's timber industry. Just like they did it with the spot it out, when they saw the spot it out, it shut down timber farming for a lot of places. And if this thing ever comes out as being real, the timber's gone.

You won't be able to hunt and fish hardly at all anymore. They're going to close down everything. They're going to make it, you know, natural habitat and sanctuaries. And that's going to take a big chunk of money out of the state's income and everything else. Yeah, I would disagree with you on that. and I can give 20 different arguments why I would disagree with you on that. But very briefly, from eyewitness testimony, they seem to be very nomadic. They seem to be on the move a lot. Generally speaking, they don't hang around in an area for too long. There was, I remember back,

I've talked about it many times, but there was one creature here in Washington that many people were seeing. And I know it was the same creature because everyone described the scar across his chest. But depending on the time of year, I can almost tell you exactly where that creature is at. What it was doing is it was making a loop from Mount St. Helens all the way down the Columbia River and all the way back up. But it never hung around in an area for too long. And again, they're not only seen in forested areas. You could make that argument if Sasquatch was only found in the Pacific Northwest. But they're found in areas where even for me it shocks me.

There's a long history. I know you know where Central Oregon is at. There's a long history of it running through that area. You get south of Bend and it's a desert. There is nothing out there. Yet reports come in from Madras and they come in from around. I know you know where Kinita is at. that's about as desert as you can get for this area.

Yeah, there really is nothing out there. Yet there is a ton of reports. They come in from Madras. There's nothing in Madras, but you get reports of Sasquatch. The Native Americans talked about them being out in the area of Canita. And even south of Bend, I've had eyewitnesses come forward and they run into these creatures. And I'm sitting there thinking like, where are they coming from? Where are these creatures coming from that people are seeing them?

Because there's not a lot of places to hide. I've been wanting to ask you. I don't know if you know much about the Yakima Indian tribe, but my girlfriend found a thing about a legend, and supposedly it's buried, and there's a monument, but they call it the what? The giant lady. And it's from way, way back.

And I've heard different claims of where she's eight foot tall, nine, 12 feet tall, and over six, seven hundred pounds. And there's a spot where supposedly it's actually buried. She's actually buried. And there's people leave offerings and stuff like that to this day. and I was talking to one of my friends who's a tribal member, and he said that his grandpa told him that she watched over the animals and watched over them, you know, in the 1800s, 1900s. And that's how far that story goes back.

Yeah, I haven't heard that account. But Yakima's another one. There's nothing out there in Yakima. You're in, you know, Eastern Washington at this point. You're in the desert and there's nowhere to hide yet report after report after report come from that area. And for a long time that Native Americans have talked about them being in that area. I definitely would encourage you to keep searching for answers. But I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you.

Hey, thank you very much. And I've listened to, it's taken me two years, but I've listened to every one of your episodes on your podcast, and I just finished the last one like a month ago. Oh, I appreciate that very much, Seth. Thank you so much for listening. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you. And be safe out there.

Next up on the show, I want to welcome Sean. Sean, welcome to the show. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Wes. Nice to talk with you. Yeah, it's a real pleasure to chat with you. and I know mainly we were going to chat about your son's encounter that happened at scout camp in Mississippi about a month ago. But before we bring Bennett on, you had mentioned when we were off air, a couple weird things happened to you.

Tell me about those. Okay. I guess there's a couple that come to mind. I just like camping, West, you know, so I go camping time to time. There have been phases in my life where I had more opportunity. And so anyway, the first incident, I guess it comes to mind, is my older son, Jacob and I were on a trip that for some reason Bennett couldn't get to. And we were heading towards, I was thinking about this earlier. Dang it.

Now it's slipping my mind, Wes. We were going up towards the ultimate goal was that spot. What is it called? Land Between the Lakes? Cumbow and those guys are familiar with it, right? But before we got there, we stopped this place. I want to say it's called Oak Mountain State Park. It's in Alabama. And I stopped there because before we went, we were going.

We were going under the auspices of these places have had or, you know, have Bigfoot. those kind of stories. So we were just going to take this vacation and just go camping and just it wasn't that serious, but we were going to these places with with that idea in mind. So at Oak Ridge, that was our first stop. That was the first stop of the trip. I keep saying Oak Ridge, or Oak Mountain, I think it's Oak Mountain State Park. But we stopped and we set up the tent and it got done. dark and it was around it was I know I don't it was cold so so I the sun went down earlier and but it was around nine o'clock when we decided to go on a walk and just away from where our tents were

set up there was a you know it was a campground and so we took the asphalt road back up the way we had driven in and up there just probably not 200 yards from the camp. ground itself is the entrance to a main trail it's even got a uh what do they call it just something you walk under you know that just marking the entrance probably two poles and a pole on top running horizontally just marking the entrance um but it's dark it's dark there's there's no real moon to speak of nothing that was given us any light but it's a it was a wide again real commonly used uh just like a nature trail. But again, it was,

it wasn't one of these narrow ones where you can't, you know, where you don't have any, we could walk side by side. But we got about not far, 50 yards in to this. And again, it's pitch black. And all we, I don't even think we have our flashlights on at this point

because the path is much lighter in color. I don't remember if it was kind of just sandy gravel or what. But you could see the path. it was a lighter, probably, you know, sand or something, sand and gravel. But otherwise we didn't have, there was no light. You just couldn't see much, but we were just walking to walk. And about 50 yards in, we startle something. We move something off, not some thin, some things.

Like, it sounded like, I don't know, four, five, or six or seven. West, we couldn't tell what it was. I couldn't tell what it was. But whatever it was, it moved on. It, it, they, they moved forward away from us. It, my best guess, middle Alabama, man, I don't know. I, I can't, this is one thing I've wanted to run by you is what the heck was this? Because, like I said, we, we walked in on them, whatever it was, they were mostly to the right of the trail up.

up at our, if the trails were walking the trail and, you know, walking forward as noon, they were at one and two o'clock. And they moved forward away from us and then got quiet second. And so we kept walking. Whatever it was, we're bigger, you know, they moved away, no big whoop. So we walk, I don't know, just a few, not far, a few more steps. And West, these things, we, I'm detecting, then Jacob was 14 at the time.

He's 19 now, so it was about five years ago. These things start, they not only stop, but they start coming back, whatever it was, starts moving back our way. And, I mean, if somebody told me that, I'm automatically stumped as to what would be startled by your presence like anything would and go off, but then stop and come back. or start heading, heading back. And, Wes, I don't know how many, and this is five years ago, but it seemed like at least four or five something or other, well, they definitely were coming back our way. They moved back our way. And not only that, by now we're shining our lights. In fact, probably when we moved them off, we probably turned on a flashlight.

But I got these, just these dinky little flashlights that are as long as your finger, and they amounted to absolutely nothing in that dark. They didn't light up five foot away. They were not helpful at all. So these things start, whatever it is, is moving back. And it's not like footstep, footstep, footstep, it's not like obvious kind of bipedal. It wasn't like that. but I

Wes, if it were dogs, we would have heard breathing, huffing, you know, just panting. And if anything, like any kind of canine would have been milling around

more than these were. These were kind of not gradually, but I'll just say intentionally creeping back, moving back our way. And Wes here, why I said creeping is because

these jokers, when they were one at two o'clock, our one and two earlier. Now they're turning coming out to 10, 11 and 10 on the other side of the trail. They were on our right side and and easing up to the three and the four as we're moving backwards. And it's like what, what is what? And please somebody tell me what, what do you spook off and then decide, you know what? Let's go check this out. Let's go check. Nothing that I can nothing that I can think of. I thought of Armadillos,

because Armadillos can be just kind of just, not dumb, but just don't care that you're right there and they'll do whatever they want to do. I've seen them do that. But these things were moving around us is absolutely what it felt like. And Wes, you know what?

I pulled my pistol. And I got Jacobs kind of to my back and we just kept, we weren't that, like I said, we weren't that deep into this thing. And we just, but I got, I got a, I mean, I didn't put my, my finger on the trigger or anything like that. It wasn't quite like that, but I had my hackles up because I felt like these things were coming around on, on all sides of us. And if they kept coming, they were going to be between us in the entrance. And so we just kept moving back. I kept, Jacob kept slinging his life.

he did so well, even though they weren't doing anything. I never saw a thing. Never saw a thing. We just heard the movement. And again, the thing is, one or the other by themselves is, I don't know, but when you spook something off and then it comes, or you think something kind of moves off and then says, nah, I'm going to come back. I don't know what that is.

Yeah, it's kind of hard to say without, you know, not being there. I know, but that's why I've been, I've just been mystified and why I've wanted to talk to you. I was like, name the animal, West. Name the animal that would do that, and I'll, I'll, I'll sleep. But I can't come up with it. The way this was, these were moving, it just seemed intentional. They were doing, Armadillos aren't going to pay attention to us and move volitiony because, you know, much less try to surround us or anything like that. It wasn't random like armadilloes.

It really seemed like, well, I know. We moved them off and then they came back. That's what happened. And what comes back? Man, it was at least four of whatever. And I know that sounds like, well, there weren't four. And then you didn't, you know, I don't know. I'm not saying it is, but I got spooked because I still can't.

Nobody has yet told me, hey, no, that's what that's what peacocks do or something. You know. Yeah, again, it's really hard to say what it is. Most animals, you're right, aren't going to get spooked and go off and then come back. Usually when they go, they're gone. What was the other incident? Okay. This one is, this one, my sons were there too.

My dad had got some property in a place called Brantley, Alabama, and it's rural. but we were running chainsaws and starting to take down a few trees and try to get some ideas of where he might want to put something, whatever. But we were camping in tents. So we were just off this trail. I think my youngest son was probably in a tent with my dad. I think Jacob was, I think he was in a hammock. And I was in a tent.

And I had got out to relieve myself. It was about, I've always said it was about 12.30 a.m. And it's dark out there too. I stepped out just, you know, a few steps away from where we were all kind of scattered. And to relieve myself just out towards this, it's not barren because there's a bunch of pines. But it's low, it's lower. It's a little bit wet. because there's a man-made pond on the other side of the stretch I'm talking about.

But anyway, I go to pee out there. And I don't remember at what point I might have been done. I guess I was probably done or something, but I'm still standing there. I heard, bam, bam, bam, bam, not bam, bam, because I immediately tried to think of what it sounded like. And it sounded like somebody had doubled up a whip, like a bull whip, like Indiana Jones whip, doubled it up where you know, you got kind of cut out of that thick section as something you could hit somebody with. And it sounded like that being swung against a real solid 10, 12 inch pine tree. Just just whap, whack, whack, whack. Okay, I hear that.

And then I hear steps for about maybe eight or ten seconds. of steps and then same thing whack whack whack and west when it was going on it felt like this whacking was at me like it was i'm just telling you what it felt like it felt like whatever's out there it's this is i got its attention or it's i don't know and uh i stood there for a minute i don't remember anything else i it certainly did not hit it anything or no other sound occurred. And I stood, I don't know how much longer I stood there. Not that long.

And I just got back in my tent, lay down, and I guess eventually I slept. But I have racked my brain about that too because there is a pond over there. I'm thinking, is there an otter or a beaver over there? Because that's well within reason that there could be a beaver or something around. but that's not what it sounded like. It didn't sound like it was hitting water, you know, for example. I made a mental note. It sounded just like what I said, like some left, like, you know, just like leather on a tree.

But, but wow, wow, wow, not that fast. And Wes, that's, that's, that's all there, that's all there was to that. That was, it sounded as if maybe that striking was going on about, I don't know, maybe 40 yards away, something like that, 30, 30, 35, 40 yards away. I'm calling it a tree knock. I'm describing it like whack, but I'm, but it wasn't knocky. Like if there, if we can distinguish it, it wasn't knocky. It was more wacky.

How you like that? Yeah, again, it's kind of hard to say. you know, without being there. So you're kind of into Bigfoot. What did you think when your son Bennett came to you and he told you about what happened to him at the scout camp? It was the last person that I know of in my life that would have come to me with something like this has Bennett.

He's heard Sasquatch Chronicles. Like I've gone through phases where I've listened to the show, just, you know, show after show. But not in a while, like I said, in the little letter I wrote. I hadn't in a little while. But anyway, yeah, he and he just is a matter of fact. In fact, his brother was in the truck with me. His brother, Jacob, couldn't live with me anymore, but we were all together, and he told the story.

Well, if you would, is Bennett there? Yeah, yeah. He's right here. Okay, I'm going to put him on. Hello. Hey, Bennett. Welcome to the show. Thank you.

Yeah, and you had this encounter about a month ago. You were in Mississippi at a Boy Scout camp. If you would, just kind of start from the very beginning. What were you guys doing and what happened? So we were like 40. I just checked like 45 minutes south of Jackson. Every year we have a summer camp and it's a week long. You go sleeping tents for a week or whatever, do.

You sign up for classes, do certain merit badges. And it's very fun every year. And it was right after fishing class, which was my last class. It ended at four every day. and me and my friend for the first four days, three days, we would go fishing and we'd stay fishing for the next hour, at least. And his dad was like Wednesday we were supposed to go back and get him. And on Thursday we were supposed to go back and I was like, nah, I don't want to fish because Wednesday, I believe, which would have been the fourth, I think, was when we were fishing until like 5.30.

And our friend in his patrol, so like his age group, which was a year younger than me, him and his cousin, he's from like Tampa, right outside of Tampa. and his dad went to this spot a couple minutes away and caught a fish. So we were, and there was another trail that we thought would lead there. So we were going down that trail. And we hear, I hear my footsteps, his footsteps, and a third pair of footsteps, which I thought were his dad's, because his dad was supposed to meet us down there. we call his name because we don't see him and there's another trail that we used to get down there but usually nobody comes down there at least nobody had the first couple of days so we thought

it was somebody there and we kept calling like hello hello is anybody there and nobody was responding and we stop and we hear third pair footsteps stop shortly after and we we're still saying, like, hello, hello, is there anybody there? And I see this thing like 20, 20 yards, 15 yards away. It was a blob hiding, a really thin tree. And it was kind of peeking out behind that. And it was just a blurry blob. it kind of

like it had a a figure of like it looked like a blob but it was like it kind of you know was the size like if you drew a circle around a person like if you drew a person and they drew a circle around them

it would be kind of the size of that but it was a little bit taller It was like six feet somewhere around there. And I'm like, yeah, let's go. And we get our stuff and shortly after we leave. And I talked to him and he said, I asked him, like, did you see some weird blob thing? And he said, yeah, that's basically what I saw too. And we didn't, I didn't speak to anybody.

I didn't, I didn't ask any questions more than that. That was all I asked. And then I told it to my dad and he, he said some people have had similar experiences. Do you think the same was following you out? We have no idea. We were like, we were not that far in. we had just started going. And that was the only time we would have been close to the trail.

So if we would have heard it farther than and hadn't seen anybody. But as far as I could tell, the footsteps were walking along with us. And if it was walking towards us and I didn't see anything, I think I would have run. but I thought I was just being paranoid and seeing stuff at first, and he saw it too when I asked him. So I had no idea what it was. And I didn't want to go back down there the rest of the time. So I didn't go back down there the whole trip besides like with, you know,

the class when we were fishing down there. Now we're not having fun because we're, paranoid and that's that's just kind of how it felt yeah i can understand the way you feel i think i'd feel the same way and you know this sort of behavior you hear a lot you'll hear where people are walking in the woods and something is matching them step for step and it's only when they stop they realize oh yeah something is pacing me because these creatures a lot of times they'll take that extra step or two when you stop. And I'm almost wondering if there was two of them in your situation.

But when you looked back, how far away from you was this blob figure that you saw peeking around a tree? I mean, how many school buses away would you say it was? Maybe like, maybe two school buses, but like, I mean, 50 feet maybe. like somewhere around that like 50 to like 50 55. So you guys were pretty close. And it does make me think it was one of these creatures. I almost think there was two of them.

But, you know, I don't know one way or another. But it does sound like one of these creatures because, you know, if it would have been a person, the normal human reaction would have been, hey guys, I'm over here, you know, or something like that. Yeah. We were the only, me and him were the only people down there and we were fishing. And the people at the waterfront, they had like slides and stuff. And it was at that time from 3.30 to 5.30, there was like lake activities.

You could swim. You could go on the slides for like everybody. I didn't go, but my friends went every day. And I guess at that time, they had either just left or leaving because I think it was five, 15. maybe around that time. So we had already been down there for like an hour. So we were the only people and nobody was going to swim over to us. They would have to like get out and it was, you know,

so like actual like draw straight line wise. We were probably like 500 feet away from somebody, but trail wise, probably like a thousand feet. if they were taking the trail. So I don't think there was anybody at the pavilion where they have all of the activities because I think usually the counselors just after the last class go and do whatever hang out. Yeah, it's very unnerving when they do this sort of behavior. I don't think I've ever talked to an eyewitness that was super comfortable recounting this pacing of

you know, them trying to get you out of an area or kind of following along where you're going. The weird part is you'll hear in a lot of encounters to where they'll do this behavior. They'll pace you usually from the side. Rarely does anyone ever see them doing this, but a lot of people come forward and talk about it. And usually when you clear the woodline, they'll stop. They won't follow you anymore. Before I ask you what you think Sasquatch is, what would kind of your take on the whole subject before this ever happened to you?

I, I mean, I always thought there was a genuine possibility like aliens. And, you know, there's species discovered every, I mean, I'm sure there's people that see new species every day, but they just don't know. And so I'm sure, like, you know, I had thought about it. And, you know, it's a possibility. But before that, I hadn't really thought about it, like about it being real. But I, you know, I could consider it. I would just need more evidence. All there is is like footprints and stuff and all the pictures.

But like, you know, wait until there's a body. Although I have no idea maybe there is me. You'd know more about it than I would. obviously what are you trying to blow my cover with the government or what I'm just joking what do you think

Sasquatch is like you know from the dinosaur era whatever that is there was like big monkeys and stuff could be that could be you know just feral people that I think

that's like not you're not going to find that you're not going to find that you're not going to find feral people in Mississippi probably. I'm sure there are, but not around a camp with a bunch of kids. Yeah, it's hard to say what this thing is. Do you think it's more of a man or do you think it's more of an animal? I think it's, I'd say it's more, it's probably like 50-50,

like right in between animal and human. Yeah, a lot of people say that, Bennett. A lot of people say that. Do you have any plans on going back? I know this happened to you about a month ago. I don't know because we went to this place in Georgia, Bert Adams, for like three years in a row. And we put it to a vote and not as many people wanted to go back.

So we chose there. But I'm sure we'll go somewhere else next year. but there's people who will go every year. Yeah, well, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing what happened to you, Bennett. Really enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you for having me on. Yeah, and is your dad around? Yes.

Hey, Wes. Hey, Sean. Yeah, Bennett did a great job at describing what happened and what he saw. I do think he ran into one of these sayings. And I asked him, what do you think Sasquatch is? And I was curious on your opinion. What do you think that they are? Oh, you know, with this stuff, you know, he had never, I want to make this clear.

He hadn't, you know, all my big foot, you know, looking into and reading. I got a ton of books. I got to meet Bob Gimlin. He had never heard this kind of. a story before. I suspect you have, and I have with the whole, I think, her name of Barbara Shoup, there's some footage or whatever, and I hadn't looked too deeply into it, but with, you know, if this is the same thing, I don't know. You know, I, it's like I think about octopus that can, you know, just morph so, so incredibly. It's like, well, you know, why can't a land

animal do you know why i mean is it conceivable that with the fur and a shimmer of the fur of the hair or whatever it can kind of make some tripped out looking you know i don't know so what it is i don't know it you know i don't know but our senses only pick up so much i am realizing that so it's an aspect of life that we just we can't pick up on much you know some biological entity that we're just not able to pick up on as much. I guess, you know, according to its whims. That's my final answer, Wes. Yeah, I don't get the impression what Bennett saw is what Barb Shoup has seen and filmed.

And if people don't know what we're talking about, they can go YouTube it. But I don't get the impression that's what he saw. You know, in Mississippi, when you're under that tree canopy, it's a lot like Washington. I could see being a distance away from one of these sayings, having it peek around the corner, and describing it like a blob. You know, with the big shoulders and the head seems to sit right on it. And, you know, you hear this sort of encounter many, many times in and around these Boy Scout camps. Right. That's why I was, that's what pushed me over the edge. Like, these draft emails I've, you know, drafted to send you but never sent.

this was like, okay, but if you want to, you know, because he, I didn't know he had an interest. He's, just because he's, he's listened to this. I've made him listen to this junk in the truck. He never acted like he cared or anything, much less believe. He never acted like that. Neither of them have. You know how that goes. I mean, just because I like him doesn't mean my kids care at all.

So, yeah. And, you know, I know my son, he just, he's not the one to, the type to come back and make some junk up like that. And I thought he did great in the interview from what I was here. And so I hope you got, hope it was all right. Yeah, Bennett did a great job. I wish I was as well spoken as he is. But I really appreciate you coming on, Sean and bringing Bennett. I enjoyed chatting with both of you guys. Thank you so much. Yes, sir. Thanks. Thanks a lot for having us, West, we appreciate the opportunity. Thank you again.

And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.