Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:118 Strange Sasquatch encounter around my property

Episode Date: June 28, 2015

My guest for tonight is from Washington State who has been having a lot of strange things going on around his property. He never once thought Sasquatch until he stumbled across it by accident. He was within several feet of the creature and he describes it as a gray color and very large. The face has been imprinted in his brain. He talks about the strange things going on around his property and a discussion he had with one of his neighbors. It is interesting to note that the previous renter like to shoot at anything that moved in the woods. The landlord and the neighbor said that the previous renter like to take pop shots into the woods from his back deck until one day he just left in a panic. The landlord had to fix up the property because there was damage inside and out of the home. Inside of the home looked like someone very tall smashed his fist into the ceiling.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. To Sasquatch Chronicle, a place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show.

Thanks for being here tonight. I got an email from Michael Kilcores, and he asked me to give him a shout out on the show. So, Mike, this one's for you. You know, I got your email back a couple months ago, and I know that you had, you were going through tough times. Basically, the diagnosis wasn't good. and you weren't given a lot of time, and, which was, it was sad. And I'm glad to hear that you're cancer-free now and that you're doing well. And I really appreciate some of the kind of words that you sent me, Mike,

about how, you know, when it was late at night and you were really struggling, you were going through a tough time, listening to this show actually got your mind off of the problems that you had going on in your life in the bad diagnosis and just laying up in a hospital bed. It meant the world to me that this show means that much to you and that it got you through tough times. And I'm really glad to hear that you're doing better. And I'm sorry you went through that.

Thank you so much for the kind words. Your kind words mean more to me than probably the show does to you. So thank you, Mike, for sending that to me. Hope everyone's weekends going well. Tonight's going to be an interesting night. I'll be talking with Alan from Washington State. And Alan's story is kind of unique in the sense that he had a lot of stuff going on around his property and really wasn't sure what to make of it.

And it wasn't until he actually had his sighting that it confirmed the suspicions of all the weird things going on around his property. If you get a chance out there, please visit Sasquatch Chronicles.com daily blog. There's additional shows throughout the week. One of the things on the website is the forums will be coming back. I want to get all my moderators in place, and there's a couple things I'm working out with the forums right now. But look for that probably more towards the end of the week. The forums should be back up, and it'll be moderated. Like I said in Wednesday's show, I really wanted the forums to come back.

I think it's a cool place for people to share, communicate, talk about different ideas on this topic, and just a cool place for people to go. So look for that towards the end of the week. It will be moderated, so it'll be a safe place for people to share ideas. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, please email me, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I'd love to hear your story. I'd love to have you on the show.

Tonight I want to go ahead and welcome Alan to the show. Alan's from Washington State. He's currently out of state working, but he's from Washington State. and he's had a lot of weird things going on as property. Alan, thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for sharing, and thank you for being here. Hey, I appreciate it, man. And if you would, can you give us kind of a background of the property?

Kind of give us a historical background of things that have happened around there, and then we can walk into your siting after that. Okay, well, the property's been, it was sold back in the early 40s, And there was, I mean, it's a beautiful little piece. I mean, it's got a beautiful view of the river, well, the river canyon. I really don't know how to approach it,

but I worked with a guy and mentioned where I lived, and he brought up the fact that he knew a guy that used to live up there. So I pulled out my phone and showed him some pictures, and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, I know that place. He was telling me that the guy that lived there, And believe me, I've been there for five years, and I'm still finding piles of beer cans out in the woods. He told me that this guy was, he would shoot anything that moves. He was just one of those type of people, you know.

After we've moved in and things started happening, I talked to my one neighbor. He mentioned some things, and then the landlord, he mentioned some things about when he bought the property. Now this property was, it was vacant. It was vacant. It was fought as a stress-fed repo. According to my one neighbor that was on that dead end, he told me that they pretty much abandoned the place overnight. And after I started putting things together,

I realized that, you know, something happened. The landlord who owns, you know, he's a great guy. He buys property all up and down that canyon. He told me that there was some issues with the plate as a brand-new back porch since we moved in. But it used to be a full-length on this. It used to be a full-length for any factory. He was telling me that there was that the 4-4 post

that held up the back porch was snapped off at the ground, that there were bowling ball-sized holes through the two-by-fours in the interior of the house there were completely down to the dirt after I started putting things together that things started that type of damage you know

through the I used to be a contractor I don't know anyone that can bust through those floor joys I mean those things really are nearly impossible to bust through unless you have a saw handy you know well the the layout of this house

I mean it has it has a voltage feeling throughout. You know, it's probably a good 12 feet, you know, at the peak of the house. I mean, you know, I'm in construction as well, and you just don't break through

two-by-sixes, you know? I mean, it's, it just doesn't happen. The landlord, I mean, he and his life were still working on the place when we first moved in, you know, that we never just finished in. When we first moved in 2010, just weird

stuff. I mean, there were things that, you know, the tapping, he was in the floor of service for 17 years. Once the sighting happened, then things started coming together. I mean, I didn't even tell my wife for the first three weeks. I mean, as the crow flies, it was probably just a few hundred yards from the back of the house that, to walk it, you know, to go down through the holler and then up the mountain side. I mean, if you're talking probably half to three quarters of a mile away from the house. Started piecing things together, you know, after that happened.

Can you talk a little bit about the tapping on the windows? What were you guys experiencing with that? Well, it just sounded like fingernails. I mean, you know, we live in bear country, you know. And so we just, we just, you know, chalked it up to bears, but every time I'd go outside, I'd grab the spotlight, I'd have.

you know, click on the light, go outside, look around, and there's nothing. The part of it that really got to me was the back patio, you know, the back deck. We'd hear this, you know, tap, tap, tap. And within seconds, I would go out there with the spotlight. Now, I would shine it around expecting to see, you know, a bear running away. Now, the way the house sits, I mean, it's heavily brushed. I mean, you know, the Cascades of Washington State, you know, it's just a lot of brush. I mean, even with the spotlight, you shine that, you shine the spotlight, you're not going to see more than 10 feet into anything.

You know, we're like, you know, what's going on here? I mean, you know, the wife and the kids and stuff were just like, you know, who would be doing this? I mean, we're out in the middle of nowhere. Why would, why is this tapping on the glass, you know? I mean, there'd be, there'd be slap. on the outside of the wall. You know, it sounds like just somebody, somebody just, you know,

smacking the outside of the wall. As things progressed, and as I realized it was, I think it was just them wanting us to come outside so they could get a good look at it. They'd smack the outside of the wall. They'd cap on the glass. We'd come outside.

They'd already be off in the brush somewhere, and they could get a good look at it. Maybe they were trying to, I don't know if they had a memory of, you know, the last occupant of the place, but it was just, it was creepy, it was weird, you know. I mean, there should be nobody messing around with your house out in the middle of the nowhere, you know, essentially.

I mean, people, people in the Cascades, you know, everybody owns guns, you know. You don't go messing around. What did you think it was? At first, we just chalked everything up to bears. that there's a lot of bears up there, there's a lot of big bears that live up there. At first we just thought it was that. But, I mean, like, I didn't figure bears would be that fast,

you know, to be able to get away from us that quickly. That is odd, especially the tapping on the window or the slapping on the house. I think of a lot of people who've gone through that, and I think that would drive me nuts, having that type of activity, especially around your home. Did you experience,

anything else that was odd prior to you were citing? There, well, you know, just things being moved in the backyard, you know, I mean, we'd wake up in the, you know, we'd go to bed at night, you know, and, you know, I mean, living out in the woods like that,

you know, we'd sit out back, turn up the radio, you know, put some music on, sit out there at night, you know, have a few drinks, whatever, watch this, you know, look at the stars, it's beautiful at night, know, just the amount of stars you can see. And we wake up the next morning and things would be moved.

It's just odd stuff. It's like, well, you know, we all went in at the same time. How did the chairs get turned upside down? How did this happen? You know, I mean, again, before my sighting, you know, we were... Yeah, and I can understand that. I think a lot of people, a lot of people who don't believe in Sasquatch, I think, would... or a lot of people who do believe in Sasquatch, you know, probably think in their minds,

how could you not know that this is probably a Sasquatch going on? But, you know, honestly, most people, I think probably chalk weird stuff up to either bears or bums living on the property, you know, homeless people. There's a lot of things that get chalked up. But when you start putting the pieces together, you can kind of make sense on what's going on. tell us about your sighting. What kind of walk us into what you were doing and tell us what you saw.

Okay, well, at that point, the sighting was in 2011. We'd been there for just over a year. And before the sighting, you know, we heard weird whoops and, you know, just odd things that we just, you know, chalked it up to, okay, maybe that's just rednecks

with some big loud radios, you know, across the canyon from each other. We had a, there were three packs of coyotes living in the area. And we can tell that by, you know, their vocalizations and whatnot. And so one Sunday I got to put my pistol on my hip. And I was going to go up the, you know, go off the mountainside behind the house and try to see if I could find one of their dens.

Well, I ended up finding one of their dens. And the area I found the den was, it was huge boulders. I mean, it's a boulder field. There's a twist up the top of the hillside. I mean, it's a perfect area for any kind of wildlife to have a den, you know, any kind of critter could be up there. I found the den, and as I was coming up out of the rocks, I looked up the hill, and I was like, well, who's that?

You know, I stopped. I looked up the hill, and at first I thought it was a person's stairs. All I could see was from the, from the, mid-chest up to the standing behind Bush and I don't know

how long you know being a hunter when you see something in a legit breeze you know and we've had

a stare a really good visual it didn't really freak me out when I see them you know you sneak

deer you see bear you see a big foot and that's what I thought you know I figured well

okay I'm pretty much done here now to get back to my house I had to go back into the street line

down the hill across the hall and back up to my house freaked me out as the way I was followed I mean

As soon as we broke our gaze from each other, I went back into the trees, started down the hill, first step, above and behind me. Now, this is enough children, so the leaves started falling. It seemed to me at the time, intentional or not, the top of the food being stalked that way. It was actually pretty frightening. By the time I got down the hand trail and into the clearing, I turned around and I had my gun in my hand at that point. because, you know, I was being followed. I knew that I was being.

It was making it perfectly clear that I was being followed. I didn't say anything to anybody for my life. And at that point, I'm like, you know, I don't care. By that point when I finally told my wife, I didn't care. I didn't care what people thought. I know what I saw. I mean, he was actually kind of a handsome looking guy. And he was huge.

A few weeks after my setting, I went back up to that area where he was standing. my arm stretched up above my head. He was all gray. His hair looked like they were done groomed, you know, the hair on his head, the hair on his shoulder colored eyes. You know, actually that trip that I set up to where he was standing a couple of weeks later, that kind of, uh, I thought in my head, you know, I live here. You know, this is my home, too.

I am not going to be bullied out of my own woods. because I've seen something that is not supposed to exist, you know? It's kind of a, what happens inside your head is kind of a left you have a... It is kind of a weird thing that you go through. You know, I think a lot of people either stay out of the woods for a long period of time because they want nothing to do with it, or some people have the opposite reaction where it's, hey, I'm going to go right back in there. This thing can't push me out.

What time of day was it that you had your encounter? 3.30 and I overcast that day. I can see the, I can see the, the shimmer off of his shoulders. I really, I really have the feeling that I saw him because he wanted me to see him. You know, I, I mean, I could speculate as to why, but, you know, I mean, I try to be as objective as possible when it comes to, you know, this kind of stats watcher that, you know, every, every sound here in the woods is just big foot, you know, it's try to be as objective as possible when it comes to it.

that's just the sheer amount of stuff that we've had to go through. It can get tiring. I'm not one that wants to prove that they exist, the things that I've, you know, worked for the Forest Service for all the years, prove that they exist or not. I don't care if people just believe me. You know, I know what I've gone through.

Do you want to talk about what your brother, what happened to your brother in the Forestry Department, or do you want to leave that out? No, I can tell you. I mean, he had taken hundreds of reviews, reports, you know, working in Washington as a wilderness ranger. I mean, he was a forest. He hiked trails by himself, you know, for, you know, a week at a time.

He went into work one day, and his boss, who was pretty high up in the Forest Service, who was shredding reports, not just my brother's reports, but, you know, several people that had worked there or still worked at that same. You know, he's like, well, what are you doing? I mean, this is a treasure trove of information. His boss stopped, looked at him and said, look, if we prove these things exist, there'd be no mining, haunting, logging,

anything ever again in these mountains. Okay, do you understand that, and honestly, it made a lot of sense, you know, it did make a lot of sense. I mean, I'd hate to see what would happen if they were proven to exist. and people that own rural properties or that live in areas that may be sensitive, you know, because the first thing that would happen is endangered species.

And honestly, I mean, I live in the mountains, but there's quite a few people that live in my area, you know, up and down the canyon. You know, I couldn't imagine what would happen if they said, well, this area here is, you know, a big foot area, so you're all going to have to move out of here, you know. I mean, it's just, I'm not out to prove this. they exist. That's not my thing. My whole thing is just letting, I don't know, being what the BFRO told me was a situation scenario, that you, so far we've been able to exist with these, talking about it, you know,

you think people are going to say, oh, you just don't crack pot, you know, you really don't, maybe you saw something else, and it's like, you know, there's, you know, there's, you know, there's, There's just too many things that have gone on up there that, you know, at the house that just don't make sense, you know? Have you talked to your brother about your siding? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In fact, I just talked to him a few days ago, and he was, he's working as a, well, he has multiple sclerosis, so he's still working for the Forest Service. but he went up to a couple of lakes up near Matt Adams

you know just take care of them you know the outhouses and make sure the campsites are all ready to go and he went to one lake and people were saying yeah there was these screaming going on last night and it was it sounded like an older one and a younger one and he's my brother kind of chuckled me and he goes oh yeah well what did it sound like you know and so the woman made like you know her own impression of

he kind of laughed. And he drives a couple of miles to the next lake where there's a campground

and the people there were saying, well, there was a screaming going on the last year.

Yeah. You know, I know the area that he's that he works in and it's a it's beautiful. I mean,

it's an area where we go Huckleberry picking every year, you know. It's, and I, I could,

I could see that happening, you know, It's not too far from the Indian heaven wilderness. And it's, you know, I could totally see, you know, how people, you know, people up where he works, you know, they're pretty accustomed to things just like we're on far away from where he works. Did he give you any input as far as information or anything, any data he's collected over the years? Did he come forward and say, hey, you know what, I do this, don't do this? No, it sounds like the Forest Service put a gag order on anybody who was working in that area.

I was told not to discuss it. You know, you're not supposed to use certain terms. Now that, you know, he wasn't with the Forest Service for a little while. He was a fished in wildlife for a little bit. And he went back to the Forest Service. And it's so he really doesn't talk a whole lot about it. and he doesn't mention anything by name. But it sounds like there's, you know, some repercussions if you use certain terms.

It's interesting that you say that because one of the, it kind of confirms what, back when we were doing the insider episodes and down the rabbit hole episodes, there was a forest ranger that was emailing her boss talking about Sasquatch in the area. And she got reamed pretty hard for, he was saying, use that in email, don't use that term in emails. Talk to your supervisor. Basically, they shut her down for even using that in an email, which I thought was interesting.

Yeah, and, you know, I work from projects that have, you know, federal funding and whatnot. I understand how they can shut people down, you know. I mean, if you want to keep your job and if you're making good money, you just don't say certain things, you know. I mean, they think they can. can't really stop you from alluding to things, but like I said, he has an MS. He's disabled.

Where he lives, there's not really very many job offices, so, you know, he pretty much has to and, you know, it's sad to say, but, I mean, that's the way it is. Yeah, and I don't blame him for that. I mean, you can't blame someone for that. I wanted to ask you, going back to your siding, can you kind of describe, now you were like 40 feet away, weren't you? It was within 40 yards. I mean, I was close enough to where I could see the color of his eyes.

He was uphill for me. And like I said, it was in a Boulder field, I mean, maybe another 40 feet away. It was in a power line cut. And, yeah, it was, I really, I really don't know how to describe it. I mean, it was just like a guy was standing there, you know. his face kind of reminded me of a Neanderthal

you know I mean when I was looking at him you know I was thinking you know looking at the breadth of his shoulders I mean he must have been four feet

you know through the shoulders and I remember thinking I mean this guy could run down here ripped my arms off my body and speak you to death

you know yeah just huge it wasn't but it wasn't it wasn't a threatening kind of thing you know

it was after after I said okay well I figured I know I'm kind of done here you know, I'm not going to go anywhere of that direction. I figured I start heading back home, and once I got into the tree line, I mean, that, you know, I mean, I even stopped at one point on a boulder,

lit a smoke, had, you know, stood there for a couple of minutes, looked around, couldn't see, couldn't hear anything. As soon as I, you know, dropped off that boulder, I heard a sound like somebody up above and behind me. He was happening, you know, this guy. is follow. I never saw him after that. I mean, I've had a couple of incidents where, you know, I wouldn't necessarily come out and say that, yeah, I saw another big foot or whatnot. But there's been a couple other instances, like through a window, you know,

stepping out front for a smoke and something just jumping off the hill from the corner of the house. I mean, things like that. We had this dog. He lived to be 15 years. years old. He was half wolf and when we first moved up there, I mean, we did everything he could do. It's keeping from chasing the critters off, you know, I mean, there's deer, there's bobcats. I mean, you know, he chased everything he could. But as he got, you know, his last few years of his life, he just couldn't do what he used to do. He was never allowed in our bedroom. And at night, every so often, we'd find him, you know, we were like, well, where's the dog at? We'd find him curled up in the back corner of our walking closet, just shaking like a leaf.

The last time I saw him do that, I put on my slippers, and I went out one of the back doors. And as quietly as I could, the front of the house is where the parking area is. And then there's a hill that's pretty heavily brushed that, you know, it's a knoll, and it rises up on the far side of the parking lot. I started getting to the front corner of the house, and, West, I tell you, I heard them talking. and there was at least two of them. It freaked me out. I mean, it was like what everybody calls that, you know, samurai, bad Japanese, whatever.

That freaked me out. I believe you. How far away from you? Did you hear that jibber? It had to be within 50 yards, and they weren't trying to keep it quiet or anything. In fact, they probably didn't even know I was out there, I'm assuming. It was like, it sounded like a big male, and then it sounded like either a smaller male or a female, I don't know which. But they were, it sounded like they were discussing something.

When it comes to the window tapping and the wall flaps or stuff like that, we've got to a point where we just ignore it. You know, it's like, okay, when it happens, we ignore it. And it seems like over the last year or so, it's lessened. you know, we just don't give them any kind of reason for anything. You know, I'm working out of state right now, and, you know, my wife's been calling me up and telling me here in the last week that there's other odd things going on, the truck being gone through, but the tools aren't touched, you know.

But there's definitely something that went through the truck. I mean, you know, why lock our door? We live on a dead end county road, you know. There's nobody that comes up here. Unless we know that they're coming, the floor mats will be all turned upside down. And it just looks like something had gone through the front of the truck. But in the back seat, there's, you know, my steps or my sitting there untouched. This is going to go through a vehicle with the intent of anything and not take tools, you know.

Anyone who's going to go through the truck like that, they're going to take things of value. And even in the area where you're at, people don't generally do that because in areas like that you can get shot pretty quick. People generally don't call 911 in some of these areas. You know what I mean? Yeah, and we have signs at the bottom of our road, you know, keep out, you know, da-da-da-da-da-dil private drive. You name it. We have the signs down there. I mean, if you turn up our driveway, you are either coming there to visit us or you don't.

know how to read because there are signs everywhere, you know. It just doesn't make sense, you know. I mean, there was a few months after I had my sighting. I was up on the ridge behind the house, a little south of where I had my sighting. I was walking. There's an old clear cut, and then there's at the top of the ridge, there's, they didn't touch the trees up there. there's, you know, probably good 150-foot tall trees, you know, nice big doesbers.

And then it dropped off into a canyon. And this area where I live, I mean, I would probably notice if there would have been people going up through there because I'm pretty much the only one that goes up in there. I've never seen another human up there. I was walking along the edge of this tree line, just looking for, you know, the Cougarscat, bear sign, you know, deer outlawful. I'd go up there and I just, you know, see what the neighbors are up to, you know. As I was walking along this tree line, I heard this clap.

It was a, it definitely sounded like a hand clap. It was clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. And I stopped. Back off into them, that standout wood there. So I responded with the same clap, you know, the same pattern. A few seconds later, a different pattern. on and back again. This went on for probably about, I don't know, 10 minutes maybe.

I was just easing my way along that tree line. And I'm not saying that it's this or that, but it was odd. It was definitely odd. I mean, there was something clapping their hands. I'm not saying it wasn't a person, it was a big foot, you know. It was just odd things like that. You know, we don't encourage any kind of, We don't leave, you know, the canyon that I live in,

is up there, a lot of people. Have you talked to your neighbors? I don't know if you've gone into what you've actually seen, but have you talked to your neighbors to see if they have experienced similar things going on? Yeah, like I said, there's just, I have one neighbor that lives on the same dead-end forest road that I live on. He listened to my story, and he pretty much summed it all up with,

but, well, that's why I keep dogs. And he keeps three to five dogs at any given time outside in a kennel. My landlord lives down the holler over a little ridge. He and his wife will not talk about anything like that. They just slam up. I brocest his subject a couple of times. We were building a shed on my property, and we smelled that heavy be-o smell.

And I'm like, hey, you guys smell that? You know, they will not discuss them. But my other neighbor, he pretty much stopped himself from telling me what, because he's lived up there. And he pretty much stopped, you know, telling me everything that you might know about the subject. They took it a couple summers ago. They were going to be gone for a few weeks, and he wanted me to watch his dogs. And I was like, you know, that's fine.

You know, every day when I get home from work, I'll just, you know, head over there, make sure they're fed and watered and everything. And they're great dogs, you know. I mean, they've got a nice, beautiful kennel. And there was one day I showed up, pulled down into his driveway. They just, you know, they come out there just happy to see, you know, oh, human, human, yeah. You know. So I went in the kennel and I started, you know, cleaning everything up and, you know,

all of a sudden all the dogs went into their dog houses. I mean, they, they quit, they looked up the hill and then they all bolted it. into their individual dog houses inside the kennel. That B.O. smell again. And I was looking around and my neighbors, you know, it's one of those things. But they, you know, even after I started putting the food out in their dishes, they would not come out of their dog houses.

I mean, they just would look from the door up there. You know, I told my neighbor about that when he got back from his vacation. He goes, he told me he goes, well, that's why I keep dogs. He goes, they don't like dogs. he's the one who told me about the apple thing and I'm like I'm like apples he's like yeah just take a hang them up in a tree you can't get them you know put him up good an eye on the bag and I decided okay I don't do that you know and so I hung in this bag of apples to see it across the across the holler from the front room of my house and with you know a good 12 feet here and

months later in the ridge the ridge line up you know with a heavy temps was that I was talking about and I ended up finding that bag. Now the bag was not ripped open. It, you know, it's just, you know, your standard. I found that bag with the date on it and it had been about since I hung that bag up, but it had not been ripped open, the little plastic, you know, the little bread bag that they used that I couldn't find that anywhere but it was gone and there was no hole in the bag itself where that, where that little plastic cab.

it would have been. I just thought that was kind of odd, you know. I mean, if it were an animal, you know, there'd be teeth marks or claw marks or something. I just thought that was odd. You know, I did that once, and then I kind of started thinking, you know, maybe this, maybe giving them things is not the thing to do, you know, because we don't know anything about them, really. I mean, I love all, you know, since I had my sighting, I've been into, about, you know, big foot,

fast, watch this, that the other thing, reading everything I can, things on the internet, and whatever. And I just love these people that call themselves experts.

It's like, well, how can you be an expert on something that is not even really proven, you know? It's, I mean,

I know what I've been through is, I mean, to people that haven't been through it, I mean, it just sounds like I'm a crackpot, you know? I mean,

And I really don't care what people think of me. I mean, I could give two dogs down a deep dark hole, you know, what they think. I mean, until you've experienced it is what it is. I mean. And you're right. I mean, a lot of people who think they're an expert or say they're an expert, you know, it kind of makes me cringe a little bit because unless you have one in your garage that you're studying, you're right.

We really don't know what, you know, I think we have a pretty good description. You know, a lot of these guys go out in the woods and they do whatever they do in the woods. I know the guys down south, Bob Garrett, and those guys, I can tell you, I feel like they know what they're doing just because in the short amount of time I was down there, there was a ton of results based on the stuff they were doing. But even those guys will be first to tell you, hey, we really know very, very little about these things. You know, everyone down there has a different opinion on what they are, which is okay. I don't hold, you know, because no one really knows what they are. But even those guys will disagree on what these things are down there. But they do produce results.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is, you're right, no one's really an expert. And to say this happens or that happens based on this, we're more or less just guessing. Last year, 4th of July, you know, where we live, a lot of times you can't have fireworks because we live in the woods, you know. You can't go burning the woods down. because you didn't blow off a few fireworks. But last year, our part of the mountains was wet enough to where, you know, we could launch mortars and we could, you know, have bottle rockets and all that kind of stuff. And so Fourth of July last year, you know, we're shooting guns,

and we have our own little pistol range out front, you know, in the house there. And, you know, once the sun went down, I mean, we were shooting guns off, shotguns, pistols, rifles, you name it. Once the sun went down, then we're like, you know, like, hey, let's bust out some mortars. You know, we spent, you know, four or five hundred bucks on some fireworks. You know, they're like, hey, you know, get an old extra money. Let's, you know, we can actually do this this year, you know.

And so we were launching motors off. I mean, for a good hour and a half, we're just blowing stuff up. Well, we went and put the grandkids to bed, and there was five of us adults out in the backyard having a drink. And something's walking around, and it really sounds. like it was on two feet. Something's walking around in the woods below. I know a little bit about bears from being a hunter and stuff. You know, I've hunted bear for the last nine years or so.

You shoot off one whistling peak or whatever. Then bears are gone. They're not going to be around you at all. Yeah. Every wild animal within 100 yards is gone. Yeah. And what's going to be coming around the house right after, you know, a few hours of shooting of guns and the fireworks.

What's going to be walking around the house there? After all that. I mean, when we heard, everybody heard it, we were all like, you hear that? Yep, yep. And they're like, well, it's time to go in. Let's go in and have a shot of whiskey, you know.

Screw that shit. We're just done being outside at that point. I mean, I've seen the eyes shine at night at the top of the driveway. I mean, definitely something that moves around at night that, does not care that we're outside or not. I mean, I'm not saying one thing or another, but it's just strange.

I mean, above the house where I told you about that, Noel, there's over the years we've found spots, and there's this one spot all the brushes matted down in like a 10-foot diameter area. Now, when they're going to take a nap, not 10 feet in diameter, I've found matted-down areas outside of my bedroom window. in the grass where it looked like something heavy had been laying. It's just bizarre. I mean, it's just something we deal with. I mean, we've never had

a negative experience, you know, creepy. I mean, and I've spent, you know, a lot of time in the mountains by myself. I mean, hiking and hunting and whatnot. You know, I've stayed in some pretty remote areas in the Cascades

overnight for several nights. I fell asleep next to to the fire in the backyard one night, and I woke up, and I tell you less, I was so, I don't know what it was, I don't know what it was, but I was creeped out. I was, and I could not get that 40 feet to my back door fast enough. I mean, I mean, yeah, we've gotten Cougar on our game cams. We get fair on our game cams. And a weird thing, and I'm not saying it's this or that. I had three game cameras in three days fail. They just quit working into,

because we have a little, it's an old skitter road that goes down to an old logging landing from, you know, the 80s when they logged off. And I was trying to figure out what was living in, you know, in this, in this cut thing. Because, you know, there's like these six inch, you know, burrows going into it.

I took a, I took a small tree that I'd cut down and I jammed it into, tied the game camera. Well, it was in there. I went down the next day. Game camera's dead. I mean, I changed the batteries. I checked the SD card, everything.

The thing just doesn't work anymore. So I went up to the house. Got another one tied it up there. It went down the next day. It's dead. Three in three days were dead. At other locations on the property, I mean, they were an older style camera.

But they took pretty good night pictures. You know, we can get coyotes and bobcats and boxes and, you know, various other things. that live up there. But every once in a while, we just get these black pictures, you know. They were just black. Like, I mean, something had to trigger the camera to take the picture. They would just be these black pictures that we'd get.

And I'm not saying one way or another. I try to be objective. But I just found it odd, you know. I mean, these things would take great daytime photos. They'd take good nighttime black and white photos. but just to have these black pictures show up every so often was just we just found that odd I mean here in the last week I mean you know I've been working out of state life has been telling you that there's just weird things going on you know the

the pump house faucet has been getting turned on and off you know she I mean she you know we have one pump house it's not like there's multiple pump houses you know when you turn the thing on, you know, and he turned it off. We've had lawn furniture slipped upside down in its exact same spot. We have the middle boy. He wrecked Jeep not too far from the house a couple years ago, and we've been filling parts off that. The tarp, I was home a few weeks ago, you know, I got home and went in. It was just my wife and I had the house at the time.

kids were gone and the grandkids were gone. She steps out front. She goes, why did you take the tarp up the Jeep? I'm like, well, what are you talking about? I go out and look, and the tarp had been removed from the Jeep on the far side from the door, and there was no chairs in the tarps. There were bungeys were fine, and, you know, living in a rainforest, you know how to bungee things down. There was that. We've had our garbage cans turned upside down. You know, you come out in the morning and go to work, and garbage cans turned upside down. In its same exact location

where we keep the garbage cans, it's just completely turned upside down. It's like, well, why is the garbage upside down? It's just a multitude of things that happen, you know, like the truck being gone through and the tool's still there. I mean, you know, who's going to do that? You know, why are they going to

why is anybody going to do this? And for one, you're in a rural area that you get caught. Hey, we all have guns. you know, we have multiple guns. We live in the woods. I mean, I shot a bear 23 yards from the front door one time, you know, an aggressive bear. I mean, you just don't play around in the woods like that, you know, especially on people's private.

I'm not going to, I'm not going to cut and run because I love where I live. I really do. The way I look at it, as long as they let us have the daytime, they can have the nighttime. Just, you know, keep the doors locked. And we have heard the rattling of the doorknobs in the middle of the night. I mean, we've had that happen. We had, I got home from work a couple of years ago, and my wife says, oh, come up front, I want to show you something.

I go out front and I'm thinking, oh, great, the rabbits were eating her flowers in the flower bed. She points at the flower bed, and one of her flowers is completely smashed flat, and it was right before it was in September, it was right before the rain hit. and there was a footprint and it was dry, it was real dry soil but you can see the outline of a footprint that

I wear a size 10, 10, 10, and a half. This footprint was an inch wider on either side of my foot and probably five or six inches longer than my foot. And I looked up

and it was right underneath this eight-foot bolted window in the front room. And my wife steps back and she goes, I ain't saying, I ain't saying. And I looked at my wife and I was like, you know, I always wondered if they looked in that window. But, I mean, it was just, you know, things happen, you know.

And it's not like we're extremely far out, you know, there's probably another 60, 70 mailboxes up the river, up the canyon before you actually hit the national forest or the state forest. but I think they live a lot closer to people than what we give them credit for. You know, I really don't think you have to go out, you know, 30 miles deep into the woods to find something like that, you know. And I would tend to agree with you. I think most sightings, I think people will be shocked how close they are to other homes, you know. You're right. You really don't have to go 30, 40 miles out in the middle of nowhere in order to encounter these things.

the gibber that you heard, can you kind of describe it? I mean, have you heard anything else like that online, or have you tried to go find that same type of sound? Oh, the chatter. That was a one-time thing. I have heard, now it's weird because, you know, people talk about the rock flacking and stuff. The only time we ever hear the rock clacking is usually in the morning.

And like I said, you know, we'll sit out at night, and we'll crank up the radio and have some drinks, amyfire or whatnot. But the rock clacking, I mean, it sounds like so we play in the spoons, you know, except with rocks. And it's like, it's always like a, like a heavy metal kind of drumbeat, you know, like, do you do, you know. And I had my, my nephew, he stayed a couple of nights up there.

And his dad is, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a, hunting guide, you know, for elk and deer. He doesn't really bear hunt. but he's a guide. And one morning, we're out having our coffee. And I'm like, hey, you hear that? He goes, yeah, what is that? And it's down the hill, you know, into the brush and stuff.

And I'm like, well, it sounds like rocks, right? And he's like, yeah. And, you know, my wife and the kids and I were, you know, my kids are all in their 20s now. But, you know, we, we're so, it's kind of weird, you get used to it, you know. And I'm like, what do you think of that, Joey? And he goes, I don't know.

Well, it's definitely wrong. I'm like, yeah, what do you think about that? And he goes, well, is it a squirrel? I'm like, well, squirrels don't use rocks. I mean, we're just standing there. I mean, for us, it's like, you know, old hat, you know, for my nephew, he was just kind of, he was really tripped out about it. And I'm like, yeah, man, I mean, the only time we hear this is in the morning.

And, I mean, what else could it be but somebody's smacking rocks together, you know? I mean, it kind of sounds like flat rocks. And to be honest with you, there's a quarry not too far away. You know, we do live on a mountain made of rock, and there's a quarry, you know, right there's there, right there's a quarry, you know, right there's a quarry workers hanging out, you know, and it's hard to move through that stuff. I mean, there's a spring-fed pond that's just over the ridge from where I live. I've tried to get to that thing a few different times, and I just come out bloodied and bruised. I mean, like I said, the whole area was logged off in the 80s, and it shows. I mean, it really shows.

While you're out of town, did your wife mention, does it seem like activity went up, or does it seem like it's about the same? There's really no pattern to it. I mean, we can go months without anything happening that we notice. And then here in the last three, four weeks, it's just there's a lot of stuff going to going on, you know? I mean, there's a river, you know, about 500 feet below in elevation below where we live, and there's some pretty good-sized salmon and steelhead runs that come up that river. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I mean, you know, where I live, you know,

we tend to get snow every winter. I've never seen a track in the snow. I've never seen a track in the snow. It seems like springtime and fall. we tend to get more things happening. But when all the kids had moved out, it seemed like that was the height of the activity. That's when the stones were being left on the porch. I don't think I've mentioned that yet. It's having a few times where there's a pyramid of river stones

that, you know, smaller than a golf ball, piled up right dead center of the front. You know, if somebody is messing with us, that's a pretty good way to do it. That's happened a few times, and that was when it was just my wife and I living there. It's where the kids moved back. We have a little campsite on that old logging landing. You know, it's all grown up with grass, and we keep it mowed, and we have a fire pit down there.

And for a while there, for a couple of years, every so often there'd be metal items left in the fire pit. And every time, you know, weather with, like, old, only cans, you know, the full-top beer cans, come along, logging chain, just random metal stuff was being left in the fire pit. And every time there was something left in the fire, there would be two older sticks about the size of my fingers

left in a cross on top of whatever was left in there. I'm not saying one way or another. I mean, maybe I have a weird neighbor that likes mess with people, but it's just bizarre. You know, it's just bizarre things that you just wouldn't expect living in

the hills like that, you know? Yeah, that is bizarre. Yeah, and I try to be, like I said, Wes, you know, I try to be a check about this stuff. No, I don't want to see. I believe you. I mean, and that's what I like is that you're detail-oriented on the stuff you're finding. Some of it might be Sasquatch-related. Some of it may not be, but I like the fact that you're taking note of everything you see going on.

Yeah, I, my wife is just here in Alaska. few months started keeping a logbook. I don't know why I didn't start to come involved in. Everything, she started keeping a logbook. And it's, you know, like I said before, I really don't want them to be proved to exist. To be honest with you, because what is that going to do to everybody that lives

outside of the city or a suburb, you know? The only other side of that coin, though, is, you know, there is violent encounters that do happen. There is bad encounters that do happen. I realize that you haven't experienced that here on your property. And I can appreciate that, you know, like the Brown's property. I don't think they've really had anything bad happen in that area. And everyone generally in that area knows about it. And they just kind of leave them alone. Well, and that's what I told the BFRO, you know. I mean, I had, I even had animal plants all yet. You know, after I submitted my report. And I told them, no, I don't, you know,

that you don't do an investigation up here. Just leave them alone. If they got a good thing going, leave them a bunch of gay hoos up here, hooting and hollering and them going to go to the night. You know, because what's going to happen? They're going to take off. I don't.

Well, that could happen. And then the other side of the coin, going back to proving them that they're real, it'd be nice if they would just acknowledge these things are real because people who may encounter or be in a bad position really have no clue what they're running into. You're right, though, with the, and I'm not going to, the BFRO, I think, you know, there's, with anything, there's good people, there's bad people, but in situations like yours, I usually tell people, we don't know how they'll react, and there can be very unpredictable, and they do seem to have short tempers, generally speaking, you don't want to piss them off at that point and now turn a situation to where, you know, you're, you know, just like, you're, you know, just like, like bears in the area or cougars in the area, you know, you're not having an issue with them.

Now you've pissed them off. Makes you wonder about the last guy that was there, popping shots off, leaving the middle of the night, you know. Things can go back. His wife left one night. He left the very next night. And then with the damage to the house, I mean, and the guy that I worked with, he told me, he goes, I just watched this guy post the animals right from the back yard. And it's easy to do. You know, I mean, we have deer that come right up to the back.

I mean, I'm a hunter, but I don't hunt, I don't hunt the deer on my property, you know. It's kind of cool having them around, you know. But, you know, it's just I shot everything that's moved. And I mean, there's been, there's been a lot of times where, you know, you can't see what's going on, but you can hear things just inside the tree line as, I try to think as that's as possible. I mean, as a hunter, you know, I will not pull the trigger unless I know what I'm looking at. what I'm looking at and I know what's beyond my target, you know. In fact, there's people I won't hunt with because of their ethics, you know.

The day I had my sighting, I had my 45 on my hip. I never even thought of drawing it when I seen that guy because he was too human, you know, I mean, his face and everything, I mean, it was different than what, you know, your average human looks like. you know, like I said, he seemed more Neanderthal than him. And he was actually pretty handsome, you know. I have to say it. He was a good-looking fella. And he was definitely the boss of the woods, you know?

I mean, it was, I got that, I got that impression, you know. I don't like, I don't like people trying to put human attributes on to animals or things like that. But honestly, I can see the intelligence in his eyes. I can see the curiosity, you know, in the same way that, you know, when you look at a chimps eyes or a gorilla or something, you can see the intelligence, even with dogs, you know, you can see that they, they know what's going on, you know. Yeah, no, I agree with you on that. Absolutely. And it's interesting, too, that he says a good-looking fellow. I think most people that see them think they're the ugliest thing they've ever seen. I will say more in the Pacific Northwest.

I don't really, I haven't heard too many people say that. Mainly down south is where I get a lot of the, it was the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, I've been working down south down here, you know, I spent most of the last year into Louisiana. Louisiana, yeah, the people down there are really open to the idea, you know, of, and I actually ran into people that, that's where they saw something big and ugly. it seems like from everything I've read that they're a little bit uglier in the South. You know, some of the other people that I started talking about this issue, they came out. I said, oh, yeah, you know, when I was 10 years old, I seen a big black one, you know, on my grandpa's property. You know, and then some of the stories my brothers relate to me.

It sounds like the ones that we have in the Northwest are a little bit bigger and not quite as... The ones here in the Northwest, they definitely are larger and they have a different look than I think. It's interesting you mentioned the Neanderthal. I get most of the Neanderthal-type comments. I would say more on the East Coast. I do get them occasionally here in Washington, but a lot of people here in Washington will say more ape-like. The description is the same. The hooded nose you talked about.

The eyes. I wanted to ask you, what did the mouth look like? the mouth was it was set lower than proportionally than a wide mouth the jaw line was just extraordinary I mean it was a heavy jaw line

that was an impressive jaw but the mouth you know at one point during our little I don't know if he smelled something or heard something's head in his upper body and through his hair I could see an ear that looked just like your ear or my ear anybody

else was here. You know, I mean, the nose was kind of wide and flat. It was definitely not a snout. Eyes were deep set. The brow line was, you know, the classic sloped forehead, your head, you know, going up to, but his hair, I mean, grayish, and it really looked like he'd been broke. You know, with the hair on his head, the hair in his shoulders, he didn't have so much gone up. I mean, he looked well taken care of. I mean, he looked old. as I was staring at him, I recall thinking, you know, this is what everybody's talking about, you know, this is what people, you know, growing up, you've heard all the Can't Fire stories. You know, everybody knows somebody who's being this, this is the real deal, you know, this is it. This is what people have just, just with all the other stuff that's going on around that, you know, four years.

Yeah, no, and I can understand that. I'm the same way, you know, and I share, you know, I share your ethics in hunting, you know, or any time. with the gun, you know, it's, once you pull that trigger, you can't take that bullet back, so you better be sure. And I think we talked about that before, where, you know, down south, down here in the south, there's so, and in the northwest, you know, there's so much publicly held land, you know, government, I think people in the south are just start busting rounds off, whereas in the northwest, you know, when you go out hunting, you're on, it's almost entirely public,

land, you know. So when you encounter other people when you're out hunting, you realize, well, it is public land. It's not, you know, my place to say this thing is where I'm hunting. You can't be here, you know. So I think people in Northwest are less, and I'm not bad-mouthing people in the South or anything like that. No, and I think you're right. I think that people are more apt to probably pull the trigger. And like he said, it has to do with more of private property versus public property, you know, and you're right out here, we have small sections that are private property, but the surrounding area is public land.

And, you know, I think people are probably less likely to pull the trigger out here in the northwest than let's say Texas or Oklahoma or Louisiana. They might be more apt to go and pull the trigger. Or Kentucky might be more apt to pull the trigger as opposed to ones out here. When you get back here to Washington, man, I'd love to come out,

check the area out if the offer still stands. Oh yeah, you bet, man. Alan, I want to thank you for coming on the show. I appreciate you being here. I appreciate you sharing your experiences. Like I said, I know not everyone has that attitude of, you know, well, I don't care what people think of me. I know how hard it is, though, in the same breath to come forward

and talk about some things going on, especially some of the weirder things going on. So thank you for coming on. Hey, Wes, I really appreciate what you get at the form. me you guys have set up. It's comfortable, it's informative, and it's down to earth. I think you're going.

And you guys just offer stands, man. We'll look up and maybe have a barbecue or something. I'd love to. I'd love to anytime. All right. Well, I appreciate it, sir. Thanks for being here tonight, everyone. I really appreciate you listening.

We're going to close out the show a little bit differently than we normally do. You know, at the beginning of this show, I talked about Michael Kilcourse. here's a guy that was diagnosed with cancer and was basically told, you're going to die. And he looked into the face of cancer and said, no, I'm not. And he beat cancer. And Mike, you know, like I said, your kind of words meant the world to me.

You know, you're an inspiration to me. I'm a nobody, man. I, you know, I'm not an inspiration. I shouldn't be an inspiration to you. You're an inspiration to me. I'm just some schmuck who has a podcast. Some people might look at your situation and call it a miracle, but I think it's the will of a strong man that beat cancer. And Mike, this one's going out to you tonight.

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