Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1180 The Caveman On The Property

Episode Date: August 16, 2025

Spoke to the witness who is from Oklahoma and he said "I saw the creature on two different occasions in broad daylight. What I saw looked like a cave man. I was a young man when this encounter took place, I was frozen looking at this thing. Later that night it came to my window. I have seen so much over the years on this property. I learned many years ago to keep my mouth shut because of ridicule. I recently received some bad news from my doctor, I don't care anymore what people think. A friend of my mine recommend your podcast."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-uh. This is Alicia from Kennesaw, Georgia, and you're listening to the best podcast on the planet, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. I have the pleasure of speaking with Dean tonight, who comes to us from Oklahoma. And Dean's going to be sharing with us what it was like to grow up over the last 50 years

on this property. and the first time he actually saw the creature, he was a little boy, and I'll kind of like Dean go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com, and if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Dean to the show. Dean, thanks for coming on. You're welcome. Thank you again for being here, and we're going to talk about a lot of different things tonight. But let's kind of start from the very beginning. If you would, tell me about this property and kind of walk me into what happened the first time that you saw it. You know, I was unsure of exactly when it happened. I knew it was right before my parents divorced, but when I was 35, I actually brought the day up to my mother and father, who were still alive then.

and ask them that they remembered that day, and they did. Talking it out, we deduced it was in October or early November right before they separated of 1975. And I was going to school up here in Antlers, Oklahoma. I rode a school bus out about five miles west of town where we leased a house from an old bootleggar. And he had a store here on Highway 3 and a little community called Darwin. and he had three rent homes on it. And we released one of them. But anyway, we're coming up from school, me and my brother riding the bus.

I had a sister, but she was real little at the time. And when we got on from school, my dad was an avid hunter and a fisherman, and he had bird dogs. And our job was to take care of those dogs as soon as we got off that bus. So we went out to their pins and buying this rent home and watered and fed and cleaned up their pen. And my brother went back in the house. And 100 yards behind this rent home, there was a giant cyclone fence. Encircled this wooded property. And we were told not to go back there.

But I had dug me away underneath that fence and I used to go back and play in those woods. that was just something to do, you know. There was nothing else to do out here, basically. Go fishing, had a little pond next to the property there. He used to fish in. Anyway, I had a half-walker hound, half-beagle dog, is what we had that ran loose. You know, he was kind of our pet. He wasn't a hunting, you know, he was a hunting dog.

But anyway, he was always with us if he was outside. So he was with me, and he'd crawl under with me, and we'd run around those woods. And so when our brother went in, I decided I'm going to crawl under that fish. and go back and play in the woods. I probably got 100 yards into the woods behind the house, no farther than that probably. But we're going along. Dogs out in front of me.

I'm just kind of watching the dog, probably 10, 15 feet behind it. All of a sudden, this dog was a, he was such a good hunting dog. People and family and friends used to come borrowing. You know, so he was used to the woods and wild animals. Anyway, he turned, yelped, turned, and ran by me just as fast as he could. And so I'm watching him, and as he ran by me, I'm looking at him, and he's heading back toward the house.

You know, fast as he could go, I'd never seen him act like that. And when I turned and look back to where he had come from, standing probably 20 to 25 feet in front of me, and a little opening in the trees there stood, for lack of a better description, a gigantic, hairy humanoid of some kind. You know, as a seven-and-a-half-year-old boy, it was a monster to me, you know, is what it was. I never heard it. I don't know where it came from. I never heard it.

But all of that I can figure is the dog, when it became a word, it was there the dog high-tailed it but when I when I turned back around and saw it I was frozen I could not move you know every instinct of my body I wanted to scream holler and run but I was frozen with fear first time I'd ever been that way but the guy I'll call it a guy because it was some type of an ancient prehistoric type man is the only way I can describe it, a caveman, if you will. And I'm looking up at it, you know, because it's huge. You know, I don't, I've never stood next to another human being.

It even comes close to what this, how big this thing was. But I'm kind of frozen on its face. And my top of my head probably come between its knees and his waist, if I was guessing, you know. So I'm locked, looking up, just frozen. and it's just looking at me. And I can't move, I can't holler. And it's not moving. It's not making a noise.

And if you've ever seen an old dog when he'll lock in him something he's curious about, he'll tilt his head. This thing did that, looking at me, tilted its head sideways, you know, as it stood there just standing there with his arms down the side and tilted his head and it showed me its teeth. and I swear it was, you know, over the last, which is fixed to be 50 years since this happened, I thought about it and I think it was smiling at me.

I really do, you know. It just showed his teeth and tilted his head and stared at me. And I couldn't, you know, I couldn't do anything if I wanted to. I was just frozen. And it looked at me for, you know, it seemed like an eternity. When you're that afraid, you know, time, it seemed like it took forever, but it probably, I thought about a lot as probably, I was guessing, maybe 40 to 50 seconds who stood there in front of me, just looked at me, then just took a step to the right and went in behind this big,

what I know now to be a cedar tree, big fluffy green tree, and that's where it had come from. You know, I guess it'd stepped out from behind that tree. That's why I didn't see it when we come up on it, and the dog didn't either. And, but the dog was out in front when it came around to the side of the tree. I guess the dog seen it or, you know, whatever, knew it was there and took off. But I never did until it stepped out. And then it stepped behind the tree. And when it stepped behind the tree, all of a sudden, I could move.

And I immediately turned and headed toward the house as fast as I could run. But like I said, after something like that happens, I don't know how to explain it, but my legs didn't seem to want to work. you know, I guess maybe I was in shock. I don't know. But crawl back under the fence, get to the house, run in and tell my mom. She was in the kitchen. My dad wasn't there. I guess my brother was in our room.

I don't know where he was at. Anyway, all she said was, you know, you ain't supposed to be back there, you know, and kind of whoop me. She said, I'll tell you dad. You know, he'll whoop you. And I knew that for sure. So I didn't want her to tell him. So I just go outside and I get to thinking.

you know, where's my dog? Where's Sambo? That dog had, he, he was headed for the house when he took off from this thing. He was underneath the house and I couldn't get him to come out. It's an old setup on an old three center block foundation. The old house did. You know, it had the openings in the center blocks and he had got under there and I could not get him out. He would not come out.

I've seen him under there. He's just laying flat to the ground. I don't know when he finally did come out, but he never did. before dark. So I go in and I sit there for a while and the porch just trying to comprehend, you know, what I've seen and I'd walk to the edge of the house and look, make sure this thing wouldn't come and, you know, following me. And so anyway, I'd go in and tell my brother and I guess him and my mom just thought it was

a hunter or something back there. What I didn't know then was it was the woods that all I knew right there by the house was actually 2,400 acres. all together at that time, I found out years later. But, uh, so nothing when more was said, you know, and anyway, came our bedtime. I'm on guess probably 9, 9.30. We're in bed. And, uh, me and my brother slept in a room together, an old army cox, little single army

cots, that's what we had. Mine was across the room for a window, about 12 feet from a window. We had one window in the little old room. It probably wasn't 12 by 14 in the room. but I'm laying there on my left side looking at this window on the south side of the house, you know, just kind of laying there. Couldn't go to sleep after what had happened. You know, I'm still thinking about it.

And from the top left corner of that window appeared the face that I had seen earlier in the woods. And it was either the same one or it has the twin because it looked identical. And it's staring at me through the window. And once again, when I saw it, I couldn't move. You know, I just was frozen with fear again. My brother's feet were at the window. He was on the south wall, his bed, and his feet were at the window, but his head was in the corner of the room, so he couldn't see out the window.

He was still awake. But he's laying on his side looking at me on the opposite side of the room, and I could hear him saying, Dean, trying to get my attention, you know. I guess the look on my face or something, we didn't. talk about later, but I guess that's what it was. He couldn't figure out what was going on with me, but I couldn't answer it. Like I said, I was frozen.

And so he looked where I was looking, and he had to lean up and out off his cot to look out the window, because he's up against the wall that the window's on. So he had to lean up and out, but when he did, he saw

this thing. And this thing saw him. He didn't know he was there before because he couldn't see my brother in that corner of the room, you know, the way the way it was all set up. Because his eyes got big and his head turned and looked at my brother. And my brother immediately jumped up and started hollering and run out of the room. And when he did that, I could move and I followed him out. Well, just so happens that night, my father was home.

He worked, usually worked when he didn't, you know, was on. His shifts were at night at the tow booth down here at the antlers exit off the Indignation Turnpike. But he was off that night, I guess, because he was there. And he slept in a separate room from our mother and our little sister. She was kind of sickly. She was a seven-and-a-half-month premature baby on the way two pounds when she was born. So she slept in a bed with my mom. My dad slept in a den at the front of the house.

But he come immediately and my mom come immediately when they heard. my brother holler and they met us in the hallway between these three rooms. I remember my father grabbing my brother asking him, what is it? What is it? And my brother said there's a monster at the window. He described it as a monster. That was his exact words. And I'm just standing behind him. I, you know, I wasn't saying that. I was probably in shock again. You know, like I said, I was scared to death, but my dad asked him what it looked like, and he said, it looked like a black man with a beer. I remember him saying that.

And when I asked my father about it, when I was 35, my father remembered Mike describing it that way, you know. Well, my father, like I said, Avid Hunter, he even loaded all of his shells, shotgun shells, rifle shells, pistol shells. He had all the equipment to do it in that room. He slept in. he always had a loaded gun right there handy and he grabbed a gun and went out immediately and uh when i asked him about it when he was 35 i don't remember wapa said later on that night i was too scared i guess but uh he never saw nothing never heard nothing can't figure out because like say it was about

a hundred yards to anything on any direction from that house and pretty open you know there was some few big trees, but not a lot. So where it went, I got there that quick, I don't know, because it couldn't took him more than 30 seconds to 40 to get outside and to the back of the house. But, yeah, that happened in fall of 1975. That was my first, and I had no reference point. I didn't, you know, I never heard of what I later would, you know,

hear the term Sasquatch Bigfoot. but wild man, thousand other terms around the world. A year later, after my parents, divorced, we moved in with my grandmother and we took Oklahoma.

I'm sitting in a movie theater and a documentary called The Mysterious Monsters was playing. And of course, you know, me and a bunch of little friends are in there. Probably shouldn't even been watching it

back of them, you know, but we're scared to death. And they're portraying and talking about Bigfoot on this film. And they've got people dressed up, you know, and it's similar to what I saw. So I'm thinking to myself, that's when it kind of hit me, you know,

maybe this is what I saw, you know. And that led me down why it's fixing to be 50 years and kind of, I won't use the term researching, but reading and watching everything I can about the subject, you know, just trying to understand how, you know, something like what I saw could exist and not everything. everybody know about it, you know. That was my first sighting. And Dean, you said it reminded you of a man.

Would you kind of describe what you saw? Yeah, you know, I've never owned a computer. And I didn't know people were talking hopefully about this subject until about eight years ago when I got a smartphone. But anyway, that being said, I watched a lot of stuff on this smartphone. since I got it. And I keep hearing the term animal. And I don't know where other people are seeing.

You know, they may be seeing something completely different than what I have over the years. But rest of sure, what I've seen was no animal. This was some type of a humanoid, a man. And to describe it, black skin looked like leather, wrinkled on the face. black hair probably it had varied

links I'm looking at the front of it full on frontal view but it was daylight you know I got a good look from where my head was positioned when I locked on it because I couldn't move so I'm looking from basically

mid thigh up to the head you know what I could see out of my peripheral vision I'm actually locked onto his face and eyes and ears and nose and mouth just like us, flat nose, very large, heavy eyebrow above the eyes. The eyes were, I don't think they were inset,

it's just that the eyebrow ridge stuck out so far. It kind of gave them that effect, you know, of being inset, big ears. I remember those. The hair varied in lengths on what I could see. wasn't all that long on the head, but it had a beard that, you know, wasn't real long,

but it didn't hang down, you know what I'm saying? It was short, and the mustache didn't even seem to come together under the nose like a normal modern man's mustache. It was just kind of coming up from the beard a little ways, kind of halfway to the nose. And as down the front where the hair was thinner on the chest in the top of the abdomen, the skin looked to be lighter than what was on the face.

I don't know, you know, how you would term it a light black, as opposed to the dark black skin on the face of it. And as I'm looking at it, it seemed like the hair on the shoulders and down, maybe on the back or side of the arm is the way the impression I got was longer than on the front of the arm, you know, and on the abdomen and top of the stomach. And then it got sick down on the growing. And it was definitely a male. Okay? That was obvious. And then the hair got thick, like I said, around the growing and on the thigh. And that's kind of all I could, you know, really remember seeing because I, like I said, I couldn't, I wouldn't, I couldn't even move my eyes if that seems even possible. But that's how, I mean, I was just frozen. but there was sun there was a break in the trees I'm wearing kind of a you know it's kind of a shaded area there's a big I want to say an oak probably behind it that is standing in our big tree you know with light coming in but there was a big beam of a big section of light that came in from the right side and what was interesting what I remember was where the sunlight hit on its right shoulder and its right side what

all the other hair appeared to be black, but where the sunlight hit it, it appeared to be a silvery, grayish, kind of bluish tint to it. It's hard to describe. It was weird, but I remember that standing out, you know,

that that section where the bright sunlight was in it and it looked a different color than the rest of the hair, you know, so I'm not sure what that means, but I've often wondered, you know, whether if you've ever seen a wild turkey, there are feathers. You get one and lay it out in the sun and move the wings, and it'll actually change colors based on the angle it is to the sun. And I've often wondered whether these things or what I've seen,

its hair kind of did that, you know. And when the sun hit it, it kind of shone or reflected and kind of changed its appearance as opposed to, if it was not indirect sunlight. But size of this thing, I mean, who knows? But I can tell you this. Ten years, well, not even ten years, about eight years later, I'm sitting on the eighth row of a professional wrestling ring in Oklahoma City

at the Mirrored Convention Center on the row where the bad guys come out. And there was a wrestler back then by the name of Andre the Giant, and he walked right by me. And so eight years from then, you know, I was 15 years old, whatever. That's the closest I've seen to the mass of this thing, and he wasn't close. I was guessing what I saw had to have weighed, you know, conservatively 6,000 pounds to max, maybe a thousand pounds, a half a ton. I mean, it was just tremendous mass. Height-wise, you know, I've been around some basketball players.

that were 7-1, 7-2. This thing was a lot taller than any other modern human that I've been close to. Andre the Giant, they listed him to 7-4, but he was actually about 7-foot, a little bit less. This thing was two heads taller than what Andre the Giant was. So I'm guessing 8 to 10 feet maybe height-wise, top-in maybe 10. at least eight and a half, you know, conservatively, but I think it was more closer to 10.

It was just massive, incredible size of this thing. Like I said, I've never seen any modern man, and I've known some really big guys. I used to work security at nightclubs, Oklahoma City, and surrounding area. and had a lot of run-ins with some big tough guys and nothing like what this was. This is incredible, just absolutely stunning the size. Like I said, it was a monster as a boy.

That's what I would call it. Now, you know, I heard other people say that, and I understand why they would say it. But like I said, I've never, what I saw in two consecutive years in 96 and 97 when I was hunting, with some gigantic brothers. The two oldest brothers of this group that invited me up to hunt with them in an area called One Creek Valley, which is northeast of antlers,

between little communities called Finley and Snow. It runs east off Highway 271. And anyway, 96, also something leading out from behind the house. We were trading beer cans for, hey, got real cold that deer whitetail gun season is when I was up there camping these guys, they invited me up. And it was the second year I was up there with him.

And being the oldest brother, he was about 6,8, 375 pounds. Without question, the baddest human being I've ever known. He was something else. But I ride with him and his Jeep down to trade beer cans to this family up the road from where we were camping there in the valley. For, hey, it rained so much, it got muddy, and our enclosure we'd built up in the trees there. we were you know water was running in we were dragging mudding from outside and so we wanted to put hay down the floor anyway we go down to trade with them he told me he'd done it before i hadn't i just like said they'd just invited me up there but we go up and outwalk this old woman from the house when we pulled in there and two younger guys probably mid 20s to 30 and they were some big dudes these guys were 6 4 6 5 you know

300 pounds and very strange looking guys. I hate to use the term inbred, but these guys might have been. They just had a simple look about them, if you know what I mean. But anyway, we're standing there, and of course the guy and Wes doing the dog, and, you know, I'm just standing behind him. And he tells him what he wants and the old ladies says, tells one of the boys to go getting a couple bells hay for us and tells the other one to get the, cans and the beer cans and bags we had them bagged up and trash bags get them out of the jeet and we're

standing there talking anyway they get that done and Ron's talking to the old woman the mom that's what she was the mother to these two things I guess that's how she introduced them as her sons I'm just listening not saying nothing and uh two boys get the hay in there and and get the cans out, and they come back to stand behind their mom. And she asked Ron, she says, well, were you all hunting again? And Ron said, well, we're camp down here, you know, about three miles down on this side of the road. But we're hunting on the other side. And she goes, well, look out for old such and such.

And for the life of me, I have tried. Like I said, this was 1996. And I can't remember the name she used. But it almost sounded like a foreign name. I'm almost French, I want to say for some reason, but I can't remember the name. She said, look out for old such and such. It's an old hermit that stays up in there and we take supplies to him sometimes. And when she said it, she lowered her head and kind of peeked over at the boys and they lowered hers and they all snickered.

You know, kind of like there was an inside joke about what she had just said to us. And right as that happened, I just happened to look. We're about 30 yards from the front corner of the house on the east side. And at the back corner on the east side of this little house, right underneath the Eve, I see what appears to be the head, left shoulder and left arm of a guy, very hairy guy with no shirt on, long beard, long hair, lean out from behind the house. house. Now his head's up at the eve on this house. I'm talking, you know, nine, ten feet. And he, you know, he could have been standing on something. I don't know. But all I see is his head, his left shoulder, and his left arm. And he ain't got no shirt on. And I want to tell you,

it's cold that year. That's why we were up there getting that. Hey, it was raining and it was cold. So it was around 20, you know, low 20s probably, if I remember right. I got pneumonia that year. you know when i got back i had walking pneumonia i had to go to the hospital and everything but anyway this whatever this guy this thing didn't have no shirt on with the that coat and he was hairy i mean just you know that's all like but i didn't say nothing like said i'm already freaked out by these two standing in front of me and this old woman i mean these these aren't your average people you know as i'm standing there i'm i'm already kind of weirded out but i'm with this gigantic friend of So I'm not scared, but I'm just, you know, I'm just keeping quiet.

We get in the Jeep to leave, and I asked Ron if he saw it back there, seeing that. And he said, no, I didn't. He goes, hell, those two are strange enough. And I said, yeah. But I said, Ron, this thing was, you know, like I see, I'm talking to a guy at 68, 375, and I'm not exaggerating. I mean, you know, he's 6, 7 and 1⁄6, 8, 375. And I told Ron, I said, he made whatever this was, unless he was standing on something,

you know, he made you look small. on, you know. Anyway, we don't say no more about it and go on. Well, the next year, they brought these group brothers that I'd been camping with for three years, brought their wives and kids up there. And back in those days, you know, our deer camp was kind of, you know, we had a few, you know, we had a few some alcoholic beverages and stuff in the evening. And anyway, my dad had decided to come up and camp right down the road.

from where they were at. He built an enclosure with his truck tarps. He was driving a flatbed truck at the time. And me and my brother and my cousin decided not to camp with these brothers because their kids and stuff were there, and you'd have to watch what you were saying and, you know, what you were drinking and this and that. So we went out and camp from my dad.

And my cousin was two years older than me. He wasn't much of an outdoors. I mean, he's a fisherman more than a hunter, but, you know, he was like me. I wasn't much of a hunter either. but I did it all the time because it's what I grew up doing and was taught to do what my dad and brother did and my whole family down here. But me and him, everybody else was going across the valley to hunt. My dad, his brother-in-law at the time, and my brother.

Well, me and my cousin Danny were staying by our camp, and we were walking up the mountain behind our camp to hunt. And there was a heavy game trail there. It was being run pretty steady. By big buck. Anyway, we walk about, I don't know, probably 1,000 yards up the mountain behind our camp there. And the time we get up there to this, what was old, what would be, I don't know if you're familiar with logging terms, but, you know, logging industry's heavy down here. But what we would call an old push road where Dozer had leveled about three quarters away up the mountain, had leveled a, you know, a surveyors trail, if you want to call up that. and on the glade there and leveled out a spot, you know, eight, nine feet wide.

He said, hell, I'm just sitting down here. He didn't want to walk down to where that trail was. He was tired. So we had been up. We couldn't sleep that night. They put us by the door, the enclosure, because it got down to 18 degrees at 3.30 a.m. He woke me up. My cousin did.

We was up by the door, so it was colder on us. He woke me up, and we checked the temperature, and it was 18 degrees. So anyway, he said, I'm just sitting down here. And I said, okay, I'm going to walk on down here to where that trail's at. It was about 450 yards probably from him. I got down there and sat down up against this tree with overlooking this game trail. I probably had been there five minutes. And I heard something like I've never heard in my life, the loudest.

The best way I can describe it, it was a yell, scream holler type thing. And it was tremendously loud. And it sounded like it was right back where I just left my cousin. And I jumped up and, you know, I'm concerned about him, but what I heard was the volume of noise was so great that I hesitated to head back that way. I've never heard nothing. I'd never heard nothing like it and nothing that loud in the woods. But I'm thinking, I don't know what this is, but hell it may be killing my cousin. I've got to, you know, I've got to go and see if he needs help.

And so I start heading back toward him. And I got about halfway there and I see him heading toward me. And he's walking backwards toward me with his gun up on his shoulder. And so I stepped behind the tree and holler at him because I don't want him to wheel around and shoot at me because I knew he had to be scared because, I mean, I could tell that by him walking backers like he was and holding the gun up. And the noise sounded like it came right there from him. And I said, I hollered him.

I said, Danny, it's Dean. I said, what, what was that? He goes, I don't know. Did you hear that? And I said, well, everybody heard that. What was it? And he goes, I don't know, but it was right behind me. And so I let him come to me.

And we stand there and talk about it. And neither one of us wanted to go back the way we had come up down there where the noise came from. So we made our way, wouldn't even a trail. We made our way down about killed ourselves going back down toward camp, right where we were standing at that point. We kind of made a trail to get down the mountain because we wasn't going back over there where that noise had come from. And Danny never left the camp the rest of that year. And he never went back in those woods again. The next day, I decide being young and arrogant and cocky. I'm going to go back up there and just see, you know, if I can see any sign or just trying to figure out, you know,

what could have made a noise like that. And so I get back up to where he had, you know, where I'd left him on that glade. And I look around, I don't see nothing. And I decide that I'm going to go on up the mountain. And as I got on up there, kind of opened up where the, what we were on was called Anoba Creek Wildlife Management Area at the time. down that far south into One Creek Valley. They used to mark the boundaries between that and private property by paint strips on trees. When there was a fence line, one side would be one color, and I forget, for the public access

land, and the other side, the paint strip would be another color for private land. Well, I come to a fence, and I could see it was marked on the tree, so I knew, you know, I couldn't cross that fence. I'd be on private property, so I just kind of started walking down it toward the west. and I hadn't walked 20, 30 yards and out in front of me on the private side of the fence, leaning out from behind this big tree is what looked like what I'd seen the year before behind this house. And like I say, you know, it's 18, 19 degrees, 20 maybe by then the time I got up there. Once again, I'm seeing the right shoulder this time instead of the left of year.

Like I did the year before, I'm seeing the head, the right shoulder, and right arm lean out from behind a tree looking at me from about 35 yards away and gigantic i don't you know estimate and height because he was you know i mean he was he was over this guy this thing had to be over seven feet tall without question you know from that distance i could tell that let's have to stand on something once again i couldn't see the lower half of its body but it's just tearing at me not moving and uh So I raised my hand, kind of wave at it, you know, let it know, you know, I see you know, because I don't know what this is. You know, I don't know if it's a, you know, a man or something like what I saw when I was a boy right here, 75.

I don't know. It just looked unusual. And it don't move. It don't acknowledge my hand wave. And I thought, you know what? I was carrying a lever action Marlon 3030. and I have never cocked that on any kind of human

or modern person or anything other than an animal I was hunting but I cocked that raffle and I headed down that mountain and I stopped three times on my way back to camp and sat and watch for 10-15 minutes making sure my back trail was clear make sure this thing wasn't following me

and made it back to camp and told my cousin I think I saw what made the noise and it's what I told you I saw with Ron last year. It looked just like what I saw that year before leaning out from behind that house. Yeah, you know, Dean, I have so many questions for you. I want to back up for a moment when you were a little boy

and you ran into that creature when your dog ran off. Yeah, a lot of eyewitnesses will say when it showed me its teeth. You know, like a non-human primate. You'll hear a lot of bigfoot researchers go, well, non-human primates will show you their teeth. when they're threatened or they're pissed, which is true. And sometimes eyewitnesses will say that.

They'll say, man, it showed me its teeth and it looked like it was pissed. But then you'll also have other eyewitnesses that will say, yeah, it showed me its teeth, but, God, it seemed like it was almost like smiling at me. And that was kind of your impression. I mean, did you get that impression based on the fact that it looked so human-like? well exactly this was no weight you know this was some kind of a man that's why i say smile and you know it had a try to be sensitive here to your listeners but it looked mentally challenged you know if you've been around adult folks that are mentally challenged you know i don't want

to be like i said i'm trying not to be harsh here but they'll have a kind of a I don't want, maybe a dull look if you want to describe it that way, you know, a simple look about them. This thing had that. And so that in itself, you know, it wasn't with the apes when they showed the teeth. That's an intimidation thing, you know. It's showing, look what I can, look what I got to do some harm to you with. Never got that impression with this thing because, like I say, this was no ape. I don't know what other people have seen around the world that they do.

described similarly. Maybe there's something else out there that's a little more primitive, more like an ape. I don't know. But what I saw in 75 up close, this was some type of a man. And I say man because it had eyes, nose, ears, you know, hands, feet, legs, arms, everything. It was built like a man, right down to the genitalia, you know. I mean, this was a man of some kind. You tell me what a man that's gigantic in nature, covered in hair,

you know, with no clothes on, is doing in southwestern Pushmetahawk County, Oklahoma in 1975. I've struggled with that for almost 50 years, and I never come up with a good answer, you know. But what I had discovered over that time in this area, there has been other sightings. there was a family two miles west of here, late 2019, early 2020, that got ran out of their home over here, just two miles west. And the children described the same thing as what I saw in 75. I mean, they described it identically according to the investigator, that one of the investigators that investigated these incidents that happened over here two miles west of where I'm sitting right now and where I had my signing in 75. And one of them's a prominent guy from up here at Hughes County, Oklahoma is where he's

out of. And, you know, I don't know what, what your policy is. I don't want to put the guy on the spot, but everybody would know his name if I said it. And I didn't know, you know, until I found this story in 2022 and put it together because they weren't open with the location. And I just kind of put some of the things they said. And I knew where he was at. And he told me the distance, you know, it took him to get down here.

And anyway, I put it together that, you know, they mentioned the name of the old road. Now they've got numbers on these county roads here in Push County, 9491 purposes. But back then, you know, people, you know, people grow around here still. They still use the old road names, you know, that they'd been there for years. And they mentioned that old road name. So I knew that it was right over here. So they're still seeing them around here. I don't think there's a lot of people investigating.

There's one group here in Oklahoma. Well, two actually that I know of that's done some investigating. But you got the muddy boggy just to the west of me. And you got McGee Creek State Park with the lake and McGee Creek and Potapa Creek and Panther Creek, all feed into it from the north right over here. Just a lot of running water around. here, you know what I'm saying? Fresh water, you know, big places. You know, there's not, there's not a ton of people. Even though I mean, I'm sitting here right now, I can hear the

traffic right here on Highway 3. You know, I'm just, the old house back in those days, the old highway was about 50 yards, 60 yards farther north. So where I seen in the woods was probably 500 yards from the highway. But I think there's, there's still a lot of sightings around here. People just don't report them, you know. They never had. They kind of keep it to their self. Yeah, and I know that in part two, we're going to go into the return back to the property. It's interesting what you say about its appearance.

I've talked to many eyewitnesses, and one thing they'll say often is it looked like it had down syndrome. Yeah, that's the term. I mean, and that's kind of, you know, I guess you could, you could use that term. I've heard that too over the years. I just, you know, I just said mentally challenged because, you know, I don't know why I said that. That just, you know, but I've heard that, I've heard Down syndrome too. Yeah, I guess you could describe it that way.

But this, what I've seen in 75 up close in daylight, it had that look about it. And of course, I could say at night at the window, you know, I was only 12 feet from it. I was actually closer at night. Well, what do you make of it coming up, that whole behavior of it coming up to the window? What do I make of it? I make of it intelligent. And what I mean by that is curiosity. And I think, oh, I don't know how to say this right, but I think that children and women are not perceived as much of a threat as a modern man is to them.

And so they'll come up closer and maybe watch longer, you know, even if they're hidden. but I think they show their self a lady that owns the museum over here at Tallahino, Oklahoma. I'm not going to use her name, but you can find her. She's public on social media

and puts on a conference up here every year now. They just had it here a few months ago. But she had a daylight sighting when they moved here from Dallas, Texas. They had been around the property. Her husband drove a truck and long story short,

one showed itself to her like it did me as a boy. And I think a lot of that has to do with they had watched her. I think I'd probably been watched multiple times before it showed itself to me. Because it definitely showed itself to me. You know, I wouldn't have known it was there if it didn't want me to know as a boy. You know, I didn't stumble upon it. You know what I'm saying?

I didn't sneak up on it. It had been watching me probably and just decided, you know, it's going to step out, you know. Ain't tell how many times they'd watch me. It's like saying in this particular area, I'm convinced. there's been a family group here for decades. Now, whether they stay here year-round, I'm not sure about that. I think they're basically nomadic hunter-gatherers. They would have to be to live in the manner that it would take to survive.

And omnivores and opportunist as far as food, shelter, water is the key down here in this part of the world anyway. anywhere around the water. If you go to research in it, you'll find that most of the sightings happen within close proximity of fresh water. Yeah, it sounds like a good environment for them. I want to go back for a moment

and talk about the lady you bought hay from with those two sons. How far away from your home is that lady's place that you bought the hay from? Well, I'm sitting right now. I'm looking at that old house. It's the only thing left on the property from when I was a kid. I'm actually standing here at the door of the shop looking out at it.

So it's probably 25 miles maybe. Yeah, as a crow flies, I mean, that old woman was pretty close to where you lived. There was an incident. I kind of want to jump ahead to 2000. Tell me about this incident in 2000. him. Well, it was a primitive arms season, late October 2000. And my brother shows up at my house up in New Wall of Oklahoma saying, hey, let's go to the mountains, you know, it's open season. I'd never hunted primitive arms, you know. He had just got into it, but I'd never went with him. And, you know,

we would hunt together during gun season. That's when I hunted, you know, which I wasn't an avid hunter. You know, I did it to get in the woods more than anything. And my father, father expected it. My family kind of expected it of you. But long story short, he shows up unannounced. I'd been up all night with a friendly young woman that I knew at the time, and they just got to bed. He shows up at 11.30 on a Friday after Friday morning saying, let's go to the mountains and hunt. I said, I don't even have a, I don't have a gun or anything. He said, I bought a new one of these new, in-line, whatever, black powder, fancy ones. You can use my old musket. And I'm thinking, hey, you know,

Where are you going? He said, hey, we're going back up pretty cloudy. You know where I've been hunting with Dad. And I knew there was a nice creek right there. And it backed up on a low water crossing. Made a nice little pool about 300 yards long. Unbelievable fishing. So that's what I'm thinking.

So I'm getting my pole. And he's hurrying me. And I said, well, you know, I didn't even have a gun at the time of any kind. And I said, we need a gun for protection. Well, I've got my shotgun, my 357 and my Jimmy out there. and just, you know, come on, let's go, let's go. So I'm hurrying around, and I don't know what I grabbed a sleeping bag and, you know, a coat and, you know, change of clothes and threw them in a bag. And anyway, it gets me in the truck quick and I forget shit and I found out later where I forget some important stuff.

But anyway, we head off to southeastern Oklahoma. And it's about four hours to get, a little over four hours to get from, New Walla to cloudy, which is where we were going. At that time, that area was still part of an Oba Creek wildlife management area.

So you could buy a $40 annual permit that gave you access for a year. For $40, you could access this property for 12 months. So we were hunting that a lot at that time. We quit hunting up there in one creek valley. I had, I'd stayed up there longer than my cousin,

like I said, my cousin and my brother never went back in those woods up there in one creek valley after what, you know what happened up there but my brother had to come down here to cloud he started with my dad and my cousins and they were successful so but i'd been up in there and i'd fished so that's what i was going to do i made sure i got my fishing stuff before we left but anyway we get there so i've been up all night and so the first night i went to bed early i fished and then right after dark i got the tent he bought a brand new tent and one of those domed tents you know one of the first ones that

him out with it popped up real quick and easy, you know. And so I went in there and laid down, went to sleep. He stayed up. And my brother, he was a lot more of a drinker than what I was. He liked his beer. So he sat out there drinking beer. And next morning, when I get up, he says, keep your eyes open. He says, I think I had two men, one from up the hill and one from down toward the creek,

walk up surrounding the camp last night. I said, do what? And he says, yeah, he goes, sounded like two men walking. And I'd walk out toward them, holler at them, you know, and he said, they were on either side of me. One was up the hill from him and one was down the hill, he said, he'd walk out toward him and he'd hear him walk away.

And when he'd stop walking, he said, they'd stop walking. And he'd turn and walk back to camp, and they'd start walking back toward the camp behind him. But whenever he stopped, they would stop. and they never would respond to him. He said, you know, it's dark. He said, I couldn't tell how close I was to him. He was shining a light, but he never saw nothing.

But anyway, he says, they may try to rob us. I said, okay, you know, where's that, 357? So he goes to his truck. I said, that one shot, you know, you got to reload them black powders. And I said, you know, I want something else. He can't find him 357. And I said, well, where's the shotgun? and you said you had it in your jimmy.

You can't find it. He took them out to clean them, what he'd forgot, and he'd never put them back in the jimmy like he thought he had. So we're up there with just two black powder rifles is all we've got. And it's raining around, misty,

which is not a big deal for his new style, but my old musket, you know, it's a big deal when there's moisture, you know, powder gets wet and easy in those and they don't shoot. But anyway, I let it go, don't think about it. I'm going down fishing. I start catching fish.

I forget all about it. It's not a big deal. And I put my gun up under a tree there, a big heavy pine. Pine is what it is. Property is actually owned by one of the big timber companies, Warehousers, Georgia Pacific, Renier. I'm not sure which owned it back then, but they give the state, they have a deal with the state to lease it.

That's what, three rivers, wildlife management area down here in southeast of Oklahoma, and Anobah Creek are actually timber corporation land. They have a deal with the state that allows, allows you to access it for a fee. So anyway, that being said, you know, we're out all day. We don't see each other, and he's out hunting all day, I guess,

and I stay out fishing and actually fall asleep again, down by the creek down there. Underneath the tree next to the gun there, it started sprinkling around. I got up underneath that big pine on the pionage where it was dry and I'm going to sleep, but I don't know, probably, I guess, maybe an hour and a half before dark.

Come back up, know he had said he had brought some deer meat for us to eat. So, boy, I got to digging around in the ice chest and sitting by on the tent. I find it. So I get it out. I start making dinner. First soon he comes dragging in, dead dog tired, been hunting, you know, hard all day. So we make a fine meal that eat.

And big meal, really pigged out. And then we're, you know, it got dark by the time we finished, cleaned up. So we're sitting around the campfire there, which was about seven, eight feet off the back corner of that tent. Had a few beers. This was Saturday night. He goes, I'm going in, going to sleep. I'm exhausted.

Well, I've got good night. You know, I'd been asleep that afternoon, slept good that night. So I was feeling pretty good. And I wasn't drinking the beer like he was. You know, I had had a few. But I was fooled. But yeah, I was enjoying it. It was beautiful night.

You know, the rain had quit. So I just stayed up by the campfire and thought, well, I'll let the can't fire burn down, you know, and watch it because we're in a pine forest, you know. You got to really be careful with your fires. Anyway, fire gets down to where I think it's safe, burned out basically just some coals. I had brought a lawn chair to sleep on. Anyway, I go in, and I'm trying to,

this lawn chair kind of turned over when I get up that morning. Anyway, I'm trying to get it straight, get it out, you know. And my brother saw in logs right next to the other side of the tent on the cot. He don't even know what I'm doing. He don't even hear me. Well, anyway, I go to get on that lawn chair. It's one of them lawn chairs that lay flat, the old ones that used to lay flat, you know. You see women sun tanning on as one of those so I could lay flat on it.

But anyway, I tried to get on it. At that time, I was probably 215, and I got over on the leg too far, I guess. And that thing just buckled underneath me, that leg just bent. So there I am. My sleeping apparatus is runt. So I go to folding it up and unzip the tent door and tuck it out. and chuck it outside and make out my sleeping bag

on the floor of the tent and I forgot a pillow when he was hurrying me to leave that day before I forgot a pillow so I was taking this brand new camouflage rain jacket that was first time I'd ever

used it I'd bought it that year sometime after last year's hunting season and I'm using it as a pillow and I stuffed it in the corner of the tent back at the back where the ice chest was stacked on the outside the fire hurts to my left

about seven, eight feet. But anyway, I wouldn't lay in there five minutes, and I started hearing a strange noise. And first, I don't, I can't, I don't know what this noise is, you know. And it's very faint, you know, but I'm hearing it and it's steady.

So I go to listen, and it's coming from, we were right in the corner of a T, there's the road teed right there, one that went down the mountain to the creek is washed out, and the other one went down about another 300 yards and went, ended up in a cul-de-sac, and then the other one was what you drove in on. So we're right there at this tee where all these roads split and under the trees,

and I realized that noise coming from that road that went down the mountain that I'd been walking down to go down to the creek and fish. Had a big tin horn down there. It was washed out to why you couldn't use that road no more. Anyway, it's coming from that road, it sounded like, right over there, about 25 feet, I would guess. on the north side of the tent. And pretty soon the noise gets closer,

and I realized that what I'm hearing sounds like breathing of some kind, like some kind of animal breathing. But my Lord, you know, I'm thinking of how far that road is and how I'm hearing this, and I'm thinking, what could be breathing that loud, you know? and so it had moved a little closer and just kind of stayed stationary, the breathing, or what I thought was breathing. I doubt wasn't for sure at that point.

And then it moved right up outside the tent, you know, kind of even with the tent and just stayed there. It would stay motionless and stay in one spot for about five minutes. You know, it moved three different times. And as it got closer to the outside of the tent, the breathing got louder. And when it was right at, you know, the last time it stopped, and stood there or whatever, you know, stayed motionless. I could tell then that this was breathing. I'm here, and I can't believe it, you know.

I just can't believe how loud it is. And from 20 feet, I shouldn't be hearing breathing like that loud. So I'm trying to figure out what the heck I'm hearing. And there is, there was some cattle that there was private property there, you know, not too far from where we were at. They would let their cattle lose to graze up on that. wildlife management area. So I know there was cattle in there.

A lot of people don't know this, but there's wild horses down here in southeastern Oklahoma. A lot of people don't believe that, but there is. I've seen a hundred of them. I've seen one. And so I'm thinking it's one of those two. It has to be, you know.

Or a bear. We have a lot of black bear down here, a lot more than most people think. Pretty soon, whatever this is, comes off the road, and walks in behind the tent, right, in the back of me behind my head and stops. And it blocked out the moon. It totally made the tent go black.

And the breathing's up above the top of this tent, which the top of the tent was about five and a half feet, this dome tent, right? He just had to stoop over a little bit. I'm about, I'm about 5-11, so I had to stoop over just a little bit. My brother could stand up at it. He was only about 5 foot 8, but I had to be in just a little bit. but whatever this is that walked in behind the tent, the breathing's higher than the tent. That's obvious as I'm laying there listening.

And it blocked out. We had a full moon that night. And when I lay it down, I noticed that the moon was coming through the branches and, you know, lighten up the tent. And it blocked it out completely. So at this point, I'm realizing it'd been raining. And when we come in, we put the guns in the Jimmy. We never got them back out. I'm in this tent with nothing.

My brother always carried a big hunting knife on his belt. I knew it was over there in his pants somewhere, and we had a little old battery operated lamp in there. Other than that, I'm bare-handed in here. Anyway, whatever this is, starts shuffling the ice chest around, right behind my head. And the breathing, like I said, once it got behind the tent, I can't comprehend this breathing that I'm hearing.

I've been close to big animals in the zoo, close to every kind of big domestic animal you want to name. I've never heard breathing like this. This thing's taking in air and exhaling air and taking 10 seconds to do it. I can't imagine the lungs, whatever this is. Shuffles the ice chest around, and at this point, I'm more than scared. I am really scared. So I pull the sleeping bag up over my mouth and stuff, trying to hide my breathing from whatever this is. I didn't want whatever this is to know where I'm at in that tent, right?

It moves around right to the side of the tent where my head's at, and I hear a shuffling, and that breathing drops from up high, and it dropped right to my head. I'm on the floor, you know, at the bottom of the tent. I broke my chair, so I'm laying flat. my head on this camouflage jacket right in the corner, the breathing's right on the outside of the material of the tent, right against my head all of a sudden. Then it starts sniffing. And when I say sniffing,

I'm not talking like a normal animal, you know, quick burst of sniffing. This thing was taken in air. I can't duplicate it. I'll cough. I'm a smoker, and I tried to duplicate it. I can't do it, but I can't even get close to how long it draws it. It drew in air.

then how long it exiled after it sniffed. You know what I'm saying? I mean, big inhale, big exhale, right at my head. Well, at this point, I'm panicked. And I thought, well, whatever this is, I'm going to scare it off. So I raise up, and I slap the side of that tent as hard as I can, and I yell, hey, the top of my lungs. It don't, I just hear a little shuffling. Whatever this is, doesn't, you know, I expected something to wrong.

run off, right? I'm hoping something would run off. It didn't. It just, the breathing just went high again. So it went from down low and, you know, I'm going to use the term stood up because the breathing went high. And the next thing I hear is what sounds like water hitting the outside of the tent. My brother's coming to life after I'd yelled, you know, what are you? And I'm over next to his cot at this point. I've done crawled over the there on that side of the tent and I'm covering his mouth so he don't say nothing and I'm whispering to him is this what you heard last night when I did that he woke up you know when I covered his mouth that kind of startled him and he looked over toward that side of the tent he hears the

breathing and he hears the what sounded like water hitting the side of the tent and he said what and he said I don't know is this what you are he said no I didn't hear nothing like that what is it I said I don't know walked in a few few minutes ago you know, and it stood outside of camp and observed us. I heard the breathing, and then it came into camp. You know, we're just talking normal now, because I know it knows where I'm at, because it dropped right to my head and sniffed me through the tent forever.

You know, like I said, I hollered. I know it, you didn't know what it knows were in there. And then we start to smell urine. Whatever this was, when I hollered and hit the tent, it stood up and started pissing on the outside of the tent. And, you know, so I'm telling my brother, you know, He goes, you know, I said, it's, it's, it's piss. I told him what I'd done, you know, and he said, well, that's what must have woke me up.

He said, it just raised up and started pissing on the tent. That was his only response to me doing that. I said, I got to see what this is. So I grabbed his little lantern there was right by the head of his cot, the little bitty battery, you know, we used to use the bathroom in the middle of night. And I had for the door to unzip it. He jumps up out of that con gets between me and the door. Pretty soon we're wrestling for the zipper on the door. He's like, you ain't undoing that door.

I said, it knows where, I'm telling him, it knows we're in here, you know. I just want to get a look. I'm just going to unzip it a little bit, just get a look. And like I said, he was my older brother for three and a half years, shorter, but stock year. And he was strong. And I didn't want to knock the tent down. So, you know, I wasn't giving him my all, but we're wrestling around and arguing. And this thing moved when it quit pissing.

It moved from the corner of the tent where it was urinating, where my head had been laying. to right outside the door. So it's standing right outside where we're standing. And, you know, and I know this because of the breathing, you know, you can hear the breathing playing the day over us talking. You could hear the breathing. That's how loud it was. And it's standing right outside the door like it was just waiting for us to open that door

and look at it, you know. Well, my brother ain't having none of it. Then whatever this is lets out a tremendous holler, similar to what I'd heard three years earlier with my cousin. It went through your body. I mean, it hit you like a concussion wave. And after it hollered, it turned and started walking down the hill. And as it went, we didn't know at the time, but we're hearing it.

You start hearing tree breaks, tremendous tree breaks, as it's moving. away. It's not stopping to break these tree branches off. It's doing it as it's walking. Gets out of earshot and my brother relaxes and I move him out of the way, unzip it, hold the deal out. Of course, I don't see nothing. But what I notice is when it, after it hollered and it walked off, what we were hearing breaking was six, seven-minute's branches that were 10, 12 feet up in these pine trees. It was ripping them out of the trees and dropping them on the ground, but, you know, as it walked, apparently. And some of them, when I got to looking, after I got out of the tent, some of them were twisted.

They weren't pulled out of the tree. They were twisted in place hanging from the tree. You know what I mean? And so I'm tripping over these branches trying to walk down this hill to get a look at it. And my brother's standing behind me going, you know, he's hollering at me. You don't even have a gun. And I said, man, if it wanted to get us, it would have got us. I just want to get a look at it.

So I follow it for, and I can hear it still. Once I got on down there, I could hear it down in front of me. I follow it for probably, I don't know, maybe 60 yards with that little lantern. There was a spot where that ten on was washed out. That was a low spot. And I was on the outlet side when I dropped off this little hill. And it was just, and it sounded like it was just on the other side of this little opening in the tree line, not far from me. And it stopped moving.

I couldn't hear it moving anymore. And once again, what my brother described the night before, this is, it sounded like a man on two feet, but extremely heavy, you know. But I realized that it quit moving. And I thought,

well, I ain't going to walk into this thing, you know, with no weapon. You know, if it's right on the other side, it's clear it like it sounded like it was, you know,

I'm not, I'm not going any farther. And I turn and go back to camp. And, uh, we get the fire going again. and get to talking about it. I brought up 75.

We'd never talked about it. Like I said, the day I told you about in 75, when I had sighting twice one day, me and my brother had never talked about it. Me and my parents had never talked about it all these years, you know. But I said to him, I said, Mike, do you think this could have been what we seen at our window when we were a kid? And he said, you know, I don't know what else. I don't know what else could it have been. And I said, well, I'm going to tell you this. I don't know what it was.

I said, I damn sure know what it wasn't. There ain't no animal that I'm aware of up in these woods that can do everything that this thing just did. You know, just can't do it. No animal. Well, our father and his brother, his older brother, our uncle, showed up about a half hour or four, Don, and we're telling them about it. My uncle was a preacher, and I never spoke. I never back-talked my uncle my whole life, but he made it kind of. comment, well, you dumb old city boys, probably was a stray dog or a cowl or something.

And boy, it made me mad, you know. Might as well call me ignorant. So I let him have it pretty good. And cussed in front of him, I'd never done that. So let me tell you. I know what it wasn't. I just don't know what it was. And I said, let me show you.

Get up. Come over. I told him of my father. Let me show me these branches down here. It pulled out and twisted when it left. My dad got up and came with me. It was the first time of my life. He couldn't give me an answer when I showed him.

what, you know, what had been done to these trees. He couldn't give me an answer to what'd done that. My uncle never would get out. He just, oh, you guys just city boys up here got scared, you know. He didn't want to look. But I also found what appeared to be right the corner of my tent where it sniffed me or dropped down to my head. Like I said, the fire was over there.

We'd swept the pine needles away from where we built the fire. On the edge of those pine needle sweeps, you know, where it was dirt, this was hard-packed rocky ground, too, up in this area. but I found what appeared to be an impression and what looked like the back half of a footprint, like a heel, and the rest of it was pressed down in the needles in the front, so there was no definition. And where it walked in off the road, when it got daylight, I looked and I found deep impressions into the pine needles.

There was no definition, but these impressions were five feet apart and probably 20 inches long, you know, where the pine needles were different. not spring back up all the way, you know. Whatever had stepped and compressed them down was so heavy that they couldn't compress back up, even with the rest of the needles. All that being said, don't know what it was, but I know what it wasn't. Yeah, you know, there's so many accounts of Sasquatch peeing on people's tents. I've had many eyewitnesses on that have experienced this. I even had one guy on one time. He was in a hammock. And he was out there in the woods and one of these things actually peed on him. There's a little bit more to the story than that.

But that behavior is so strange to me. But you do hear it a lot. And I want to get to this incident, the final incident that happened in 2015 with your return back to the property. And I'm so glad you're coming back for a part two because I have so many questions. One thing that's nagging on me, going back to that old. woman that you bought hay from. What's your honest opinion on that whole situation? Because the way you describe it, it just sounds creepy.

It was more than creepy. Over the years, I thought about it. And Gus Stone made that documentary for the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. It was him and Brian Heardtum and the first two I ever spoke to about these things. First people that I didn't know. I'd only spoke to a few people, but those were the first people I didn't know that I spoke to with and when I decided to come out after all these years and talk about it. But he asked me the very same thing.

He was like you. He was a very intelligent guy. And so he said, you know, all the other stuff is fascinating. But he goes, I'm interested in that family. And I, you know, and he asked me some very poignant questions. And one of them was, do you think that, you know, they were talking about what you've seen? and it was one of these wild men, you know. I call them wild men to guess, you know, I just don't.

I hate the term Bigfoot, so I use Wildman mostly. But anyway, I said, you know, I wondered that very same thing. And because they knew they actually told us, you know, there's an old hermit. And they called it by a strange name. There's up in there that we take supplies to sometimes. Don't shoot him. And then they looked at each other, you know, kind of out of the corner of their eyes with their head down. The old woman and the two boys.

And they chuckled like there was an inside of the same thing. joke, you know. And like I said, I see this thing laying out from buying their house. So, that being said, it's really weird. I've had all kinds of things go through my head, you know, after, you know, all the research I've done, I've heard stories from the Native American stuff really intrigued me when I was young because, you know, they told us about these things. When white men came over here in this part of the world, they told us about them and we didn't believe them. You know, they're ignorant savages, so we didn't believe them. But, everything they told us back in those days that's written down what they told us.

And what white men recorded what they said is really accurate. If you go back and dig, and it's all across North America, almost every tribe has a word for it, you know, and describe the same thing. But this family, I would use, in all honesty, I came to this conclusion. These boys were inbred. now I don't know if you've ever been around inbred hillbillies I have unfortunately down here

when I was very young and that's what they reminded me of now it's the first time I'd ran into them as an adult anything like that you know but my instincts my gut tells me that they were product of

close bloodline relationship now they're and I'm not just I'm not going to I don't want to put words in your mouth West but I think what you're asking is what was their relationship with what I saw and I just don't know you know they were aware of it so they said they took supplies to a hermit don't shoot don't shoot such and such God I wish I could remember the name I have struggled it's a name that I had heard before It's almost, it was French sounded, you know.

Yeah, the only French word I can think of or French like word is the Lugaroo, but that usually refers to something else, not Sasquatch. No, it wasn't Rougaroo, but it was a similar sounding, you know, and I can't, like I said, it was really strange. It's not something that you, you know, even if you do remember, your chances are pronouncing it right, it's going to be slim to none, you know. but they were, I think they were talking about what I saw behind the house. And what I saw the next year up there laying out behind the tree after my cousin,

and me had heard that vocalization, it looked like what I saw laying out behind that house year before. I mean, the hair pattern, it had, it didn't have black skin. It had real dark, leathery brown skin. This one did. with black hair. But it was about the same length. The hair is what I saw in 75.

Wasn't this big woolly, you know, which I've looked into that, Wes, and I think in certain regions of the world where the climate's a little more harsh. In other words, like a dog. What's a dog do? Grows in more hair for the winter, than it sheds.

Everything I found makes me think these things may do that to some degree. I know that kind of sounds outlandish, but what I've seen wasn't shaggy-haired like I've seen other people describe, you know. Yeah, and for the audience, I'll be doing a part two with Dean tomorrow night with his return to the property. Man, I have a million questions for you, Dean. Kind of a last question I want to ask you tonight, and I ask everyone, and you got a great look at this creature. And you kind of alluded to it earlier, but what do you think Sasquatch is?

And there's no wrong answer. No, there's no right answer. You know, we don't know. I mean, I think there's people that do know, but it's not public knowledge. What do I think they are? I think they, for the most part, I think they're hybrids. Now, what do I mean by that? I think there was an original bloodline, a big hominid, and I think there's still some left,

and I think they're mostly in the northern regions and the real remote areas where the bloodline's pure, but I think they've interbred with every type of primitive man there has been. How many primitive men of these so-called experts say that they found? That's just what they admit to.

If you go down the line, and I have researched it, you got, you know, Cromagnon, Neanderthal, Hidalberginus, Australia Pythicus, the Sinovans, now they just found

these little short, hobbit-like. I can't remember they called them. but they found them on the island of Florence here a few years ago. I think this original bloodline has interbred with other humanoids. And so I think they're hybrids is what we see around here. You know, in most parts of the world, they're actually hybrids. And that goes back to, you know, Eastern Europe, Russia, Siberia.

The caucuses over there, what they describe as the Aldemosti. They're more manlike, you know, than what people describe the Yeti being, you know, the stuff in the high Himalaya, that's described as a little more animalistic, and that may be the actual original bloodline. Now, that's the only thing I can come up with after 50 years is mostly hybrid bloodlines between different hominids. You know, they've interbred. Some of them have, you know, multiple bloodlines.

Some of them may just have two. In other words, they're just like us, Wes. They're just like us. They are different heights, different weights, different weights, different sites, different sizes, different colors, different temperaments. I think if we can get past this animal thing, this ape thing, and think of them in terms of being like modern man, you know, and having all the differences that modern man, a Chinese man doesn't look like a Native American man. You know, a European man doesn't look like a Chinese man. You know what I'm saying?

Polynesian doesn't look like, you know, a Russian. So I think that's what you get with ease. I think they all look. They can be different, depends on what part of the country you're in and based on environment and diet. That's why you get so many different descriptions, I believe. Yeah, that's a good answer, Dean. That's a fair answer. It's one of the questions I struggle the most with, you know, Matt Pruitt and I were talking

about this last week. You know, why is it that some of the eyewitnesses say what I saw looked like a great ape? I mean, it had a human nose and some features that are human lines. like. And then you get other eyewitnesses that are like, no, what I saw was a man or, you know, a woman. It was a prehistoric humanoid type creature, very human-like in the face. And I'm so glad there you're coming back for a part two, Dean. I can't wait. And I can't wait to hear because I know when he went back to the property after, you know, 40, 50 some odd years, and you're there now, there's been some weird things that have happened that.

didn't happen when you were younger and I want to talk to you about those but thank you so much for taking the time to come on for this part one I really enjoyed chatting with you hey no problem buddy it's good to talk to you I enjoyed it thanks again Dean and join me tomorrow night as we wrap up with the chronicles of Dean and the whole part two of him going back to the property definitely don't want to miss it if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.