Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:12 Class A Encounter Witness Interview

Episode Date: January 27, 2014

A listener contacted the show and wanted to share his encounter with us. He contacted us and wrote "I am so relieved to finally hear someone talk sensible about these animals. They are not furry,giant, hippy brothers of the forest. I have seen one at very close range and when it did it's roar/scream within 15' of me I could feel it vibrate my insides! I have had a few other times I believe were encounters with these things including one time I believe they were hunting me. Never have I had a good encounter with them. So many so called experts are promoting stupid concepts that are likely to get some people killed. I have hunted and trapped my whole life and know the woods and swamps well.These are definitely the most dangerous animals out there. You are doing a public service by bringing reality to this subject and hopefully waking a few people up to the dangers"

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extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given me. What are you reporting? What now, sir? That's sort of a bitch is about six foot right here.

Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. Yeah, you know, after the last show, we actually had a lot of people contact us with encounters. I mean, I'm still going through emails and just the overall response. I mean, if I haven't responded back to you yet, out there, people out there listening, give me a little bit of time. I'll try and respond back or will respond back. will respond. Somebody will respond back. We promise you. It's just been a flood of

email. So I know you can catch Will on his, on his blog. Jevening Research at blogspot.com. You can hit us up on Facebook at Facebook.com forward slash bigfoot hotspot radio. Or you can email us at Bigfoot hotspot at gmail.com. Yeah, and Will's a good one to talk to. Definitely a good one to talk to. I felt a million times better after our encounter after talking to you, Will. So I highly recommend talking to Will if you have had an encounter or an experience and it's kind of nice to get it off your chest. You know what I mean? Yeah, and it's one of those cases. I've had a number

of people, you know, some very high profile. Yeah. No, we won't double cross you. I know people have sent us pictures. A lot of stuff that I was really shocked by seeing it, but, you know, if we don't have permission to post it, we won't post it. You know, we're not to double cross anyone, so. Yeah, so what I thought we do is bring Steve on the show. He contacted the show. He, he contacted the show. He's had a few encounters, and he wanted to share some of his encounters. And one of them that kind of caught my attention, he had told me that he felt like he was being hunted by these creatures. One time he was out hunting, and he just kind of felt like, you know, they were hunting him. It kind of caught my attention. I really wanted to hear his story, and I thought I'd bring him on the show and let him share his encounter with everyone. Steve, this is Will. Hi. Hi, nice to meet you. Hi, Will. Let's start with a little bit about yourself first, if you don't mind. Well, myself, I'm 44.

I spent most of my life out in the woods hunting and trapping. I grew up on a farm. Pretty much that's it. I was, especially in my early 20s, I was constantly trapping and hunting, coon hunting, predator hunting, deer, you name it. I was doing it. Pretty much got a good knowledge of my local area. I guess there's a guy in the beach.

BFRO in this general area that's already been investigating. I read that upon, I don't know if you've heard of that guy in Michigan that's getting vocalizations from the BFRO. He's putting up videos on YouTube. Basically the general area. Okay. I'm in the central part of Michigan. I was just trying to get it. Yeah, I'm in central part of the lower peninsula of Michigan.

Okay. So you grew up in a farm. this, my Bigfoot knowledge came off of seeing the Patterson Gimlin footage off of in search of and a few other places and also Legend of Boggy Creek. And quite frankly, I didn't even have any inkling that Bigfoot existed in this state. It's exciting. But I've had a few things happen that I really do believe are Bigfoot related now that I've had the time to look the subject over and look back. I wanted my bed to take a nap that day.

I was late in evening, and I thought I'd just get a quick nap, and I had my bed pushed right up against the outside wall so that the summer o'clock in the morning I got something. It was kind of like, you know, if you have like a really stinky animal walk by, how you can catch that whiff and notice it when you're sleeping. It kind of just popped my... my eyes open and I'm looking straight up and outside it was a full moon. It was kind of overcast, but what I had seen was filling up almost the entire sky with my view

looking up through the window and it still gives me kind of goosebumps. The first thought that went through my mind is this has got to be the biggest man that ever lived and what is he doing looking at me through my window? and he was probably about three feet from me. And the only thing between it and me was the screen. I was stunned trying to figure out what it was that I was seeing. It didn't make sense. I was kind of frozen in place.

I couldn't really figure out what it was. Probably about 10, 15 seconds of that. He kind of leaned forward a little bit. As soon as he moved, my feet came out from underneath me and I moved faster and I've ever moved. in my life, I leaped out of the bed and I headed out of the bedroom towards my parents' room where all the weapons were at, and I was about 16 at the time. As soon as I got to my bedroom door, this thing let out a roar turned into a scream at the end.

I've never heard nothing like it before since. It just, you could feel your insides shaking from it. it was just like if you were at the zoo and you had a lion roar within a few feet of you. And my sister's room was next to mine. She had a great Dane sleeping with her. And they come ramming into me at my mother's room about the time I hit that door. My mother was already up and running. We had a dog chained to the porch out front because we'd had problems with people messing around outside at night.

At least we figured it was people. And that dog was going off like crazy, just growling and snarling. And I reached into the drawer because the only gun that we kept loaded all the time was a 44 revolver. And I was going to run out the front door and let the dog loose. I guess I was just on autopilot just reacting. My mother jumped between me and the door and said, that thing let out another roar just off the edge of the porch. It had gone around the house and was standing right about where I was going to come.

out. And it let that roar, it turned right into a scream at the end. And this dog that was not afraid of anything just started whimpering and crying. I was just about ready to do the same myself at that point. It didn't seem like it was big enough to do the job. And I just stood there watching the door. And pretty much, I didn't get any sleep. A long night, two-acre section of yard slash garden and an orchard. And all four boundaries of our yard were surrounded by cornfield. The next day I went out there looking for tracks. And in the grass, I didn't see anything, but it was pretty hard ground. And I knew that if I got out in the cornfield, if I just kept making bigger circles, sooner or later I was bound to run into tracks. But I got within six feet of

that corn, and I couldn't make myself go in. I was just afraid I'd run into that. It probably was nowhere around by that time in, you know, being realistic, but the thought of running into that in tight confines, I just didn't want to take the chance. I was spook the heck right out of me. Right, right. Hey, Steve, when it came up to the house and was looking at you at the window,

did you get a chance to look at it, or was it more or less kind of an outline coming up to the house? Well, what do you think it was? I've said before at least seven and a half feet, but, you know, the blar, I've thought about it and estimated compared to the angle I was looking at it and where it measured on the house. This thing had to been real close to eight foot. That was this height. The width of this thing was just massive. I mean, it had to been at least three and a half feet wide in the shoulder area.

It was just unbelievably big. Let me explain the view I had. It was a, the moon was probably about, in the westerns, part of the sky, kind of backlighting this thing. And I was looking directly at it with the moon overhead of it. And you could count the hairs. We're front features, but as far as the outline went, I could see the glistening on a couple of the hairs. The rest of it looked almost like it was absorbing light. I mean, it was just so black.

I mean, I don't know if that was its real color, but it was just like there was no light there. where it stood. You could see every, you could tell the hair was probably two, three inches long over most of the body. The arms were just massive. This thing made Arnold Schwarzenegger look like a skinny little guy and the chest on this thing. It wasn't like some of these pictures I've seen where people draw them like bodybuilders. This thing was like, it was like a barrel. It was just really, really thick. Very thick, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When I heard what you guys had seen, it kind of gave me a lot of shivering and shaking. I couldn't imagine being in that situation.

I didn't hear anything more of it. I didn't see any more of it. The dog was dead quiet after that. He wouldn't make him sound. I wasn't even sure if he'd made it through the night until I went out the next day. So, yeah, I think it probably left pretty quickly. after that. And was that the only time something like that's ever come up to the house that you know of, I guess?

Well, when we moved in that house, my great-grandmother died, and we bought that from the family, moved in when I was six. Almost immediately, my little sister, she was about three at the time, and she used to come tearing into my room at night or my parents' room, and she was always saying that there was these things she called foo bears, and she said they were trying to get her. and everybody just thought, you know, this is just a little kid imagining. But, I mean, she was really terrified. Oh, about the time I turned nine, one night my parents woke me up,

and they put me, my sister, and our dog, in their bedroom. And my dad handed me a pistol and told me, if anything came in that room that wasn't them to shoot, I didn't know what was going on. And they went outside and searched. and then they came back in after probably a half hour. They kept us in their room for a while and let us go to bed in her room for the night. And later on, my mother told me that something had woke her up

and she had a horrible feeling of dread and ran in my sister's room. She thought there was some problem with her. And the next day, when they went out and looked underneath my sister's bedroom window, the flower bed, was just had these huge footprints in them. on the aluminum siding, I don't know if you've ever touched aluminum siding and seen how it leaves your oil from your hands. Oh, yeah.

They said that there were humongous handprints like a really big man had been looking in her window. Jesus. So I've always wondered if that wasn't really. Things happened on that farm over the years, and it didn't happen all at once. It's just kind of like every summer you'd have a few oddball things happen. You know, we had chickens,

and of course you have chickens, every predator in the county knows your residence because you're the local supermarket. That's right. And about everything, but we had a, there was a galvanized steel shed, and we had a latch on it that you had to turn and put a padlock here. And I would leave the padlock unlocked, but just through the chickens were all over the yard and the turkeys were out too. and he said I'd forgot to close the chicken house up because we had a inner door and then a grain room and then the outer door.

And I went out there and it was all wide open, just like somebody had opened it all up and went in. We had a few chickens missing, but, you know, you didn't know if that was just that they got away or if the neighbor dog got them or what, but I knew that I had locked that or closed it up good and latched everything. If I hadn't, I fed them in the morning,

they would have been out by that afternoon, and this was the next day. This happened several times until I got in a habit of locking that padlock, and then it didn't happen anymore. And I always wondered, whatever had opened that had to have fingers and thumb. Going back to your with your sister, God, it reminds me of the cowman story, doesn't it, a little bit, you guys? It does, very, very, very, and you know, that's a common thread among this type of encounter. I read the cowman story. Oh, you read the comments story?

Yeah, I heard you guys talk about it, and I read that to see what it was about. It kind of sent chills up the spine. They had that feeling about it. Let me ask you, Steve. I got two questions. One is, did you ever, have you ever talked to your dad? Do you ever speak to your dad about things that had happened, you know, after you had kind of grown up? Did you ever go back and talk to your mom or your dad?

I know you talked to your mom a little bit, but did you ever talk to your dad about things that were going on? Well, my dad, not really. he's not the kind of person that would deal with that really well. My mother, I've talked to her about it off and on, and she remembers hearing it all right. She remembers pulling my sister out of the bedroom and putting us in her room that night. And whatever it was, both times had her shaken up.

But she never saw anything, but she sure remembers hearing that roar. Yeah, when your dad goes, Hey, here's a gun son. If anything, walks through that door, blast it if it's not us. You know there's trouble. Yeah, and he made sure to tell us to ask if it was him first. Yeah, so he knew a lot more than he said.

Yeah, I think he had some suspicions about what it could be. But like I said, off and on over the years, it was like we thought we had somebody messing around out there at night. Weird things would have happened, and we just always chalked it up to a prowler until that point when I had that sighting. And then I started wondering what was going on. Kind of turned your view of reality upside down a bit. I got two questions for you, Steve.

One is how far was our forested area close by the farm? And then the second question is, what do you think their intention was? What do you think the whole intent was? Coming up to the house, kind of messing with your little sister, coming up to your window. What do you think that, looking back, I mean, what do you think their intent was? Well, the first question, the area I live in, there, There's a lot of lakes and river systems that interconnect and go a good chunk across the state. There's a lot of cedar swamps, and you'll crawl right out of these lowlands and right boundaries around them.

Then you'll have farms, orchards, livestock, and back then even more so. There was a lot more people farming this area then. these areas all kind of interconnect in narrow bands. And that's where I've heard people say, you know, having weird things happen in these same areas where I've run into stuff. And I think it's basically, you know, they had really good travel arrangements for, you know, you had creeks, rivers,

and you got all these old railroad grates that have all been abandoned, even have a small-gauge, narrow-gauge railroad grades from the logging era that are still open. I get on those and I can walk for miles through cedar swamps and across state land and such. Then we have natural gas right-of-ways through here that you can get in them and just travel long distance. So I think they've got a pretty good area if they wanted to utilize it. As far as the second question, you know, I'm not really sure what they wanted. I always told myself that, you know, we had a lot of fruit trees, a lot of stuff in the garden going on. We had livestock and such.

I figured they probably just coming up for food. But, you know, this thing, if it really wanted to hurt me, it could have. I mean, the only thing between it and me was about two, three feet and a screen on a window. But at the same time, I didn't feel he was friendly in any way, shape, or form. He let me know he was boss. I'm looking in the window, and my mother, she still swears it was a dangerous situation. You know, I wouldn't have been surprised if they wanted to take my little sister for whatever their reasonings, whether it be to maybe they're attracted to kids or maybe they wanted to eat one.

You never know. Let me ask you, what maybe they're... Jumped up out of bed. I hadn't made it 10 feet and this thing let out that roar directed right at me through that window I ran the fastest I've ever moved in my life I was probably 25 feet from my bed to the doorway at my mother's room and just a few seconds passed and I was going to go out that front door

to let the dog lose this thing was already there waiting for me and roaring again he knew where I went I think he had a pretty good idea of what I was doing. Oh, so it ran around the house to the other side to where you were, to where you were headed. It didn't just stay there. It actually ran around to where, oh, I got you. That's the part that really spooked me. Because my bedroom was pointing towards the west.

It was at a west window. And it had to run all the way around to the far south end of the house and meet me. And it did it pretty quick. It's been bluffing or buffalo in me to, to keep me in place, maybe it had its family out in our yard eating apples or something and was just trying to cover for him even. I don't know. It definitely didn't seem friendly.

And that's very similar. It was like they're playing with you. You know, they're a step ahead of you on that. I probably wouldn't fall for it as easy, but, you know, when you're not expecting something like that, boy, he was a step ahead of him, he knew right where to go. Steve, you said it was like a lion's right? or was it just like a large growl or what kind of a noise? Well, you know, I'd talk to a guy from BFRO a couple years or a few years back.

He kept having in his head that it made a howl and then a high-pitched sound like a howler monkey he kept saying. And this thing, to me, that kind of impact closer to what you'd hear on movies like Jurassic Park, it was just like a, you know, I can't even copy it. And then it went high pitch. I mean, at the end, it almost sounded like a wildcat screaming. I'll play, I was going to play this later and talk about it. I'll explain the audio file, but let me play this real quick for you, Steve. The first part was awful, awful close.

And then it was a high-pitched scream or screech. Similar to the second part, but even higher pitch than that. Yeah, those were actually taken from Michigan. That's crazy. I was just kind of curious. I was going to talk about that later. on the show, but I wanted to play it to see what you thought. The first part is as close as I've heard anything to the roar it gave.

I'm almost like an air raid siren for volume. Yeah, and that's how a lot of people describe it like a siren. You had mentioned one time that you felt like you were being hunted by them. That actually was scarier than the sighting. I went out, I was in my early 20s, and there's this one section along the river. I had another occurrence within a half mile of this place, but I chalked it up to, you know, just, you know, nothing, and I'd get over it and braving up and hunt that area again. And I decided to do some squirrel hunting in this river bottom. I went out there alone. I just took my

22 mag with me and figured I'd go pop a few squirrels for the pot. I got into the woods there, and as I worked along, I started coming up along this L-shaped ridge. And that chunk of woods, it's kind of dark. It's not a cedar swamp, but it kind of reminds you of that atmosphere for how dark it is. As I got in there, I found this spot on the ridge that looked like a real good place for, you know, ambush and squirrels as they moved along from tree to tree. I noticed it was just dead quiet. They were not even a cricket or a tweety bird or nothing in there.

I felt kind of odd, but I just did. you know, and chalked up the jitters and tried to pay no attention. The longer I sat there, the more I kept getting this feeling of being watched, and I would look over the area that I could see. And I'd think every now and then I thought I'd caught a glimpse, but it'd just be a dark shadow real quick move. And it seemed like I was getting this from two directions. And I never heard nothing, and I never really saw anything solid, but I'd keep catching movement.

And I kept getting this feeling worse and worse that I was in danger. The movement I was catching was like it was trying to work around behind me on one side, yet out in front of me on the other. And it may sound crazy, but it was like I had this voice in my head telling me, get out you're being hunted. Not like a literal voice, but, you know, that nagging little feeling you get telling you where there's trouble. And it just kept getting worse and worse until at first I was telling myself I was just being afraid of the dark type deal. And finally, it was like it was screaming in my head, you know, this is it. Get out of here.

And I literally backed my way out of that situation for over 300 yards before I would turn my back to it. And then I hobbled my way right out to my truck and got in it. And I have never stepped foot in that section of woods since. They have a way of surrounding you and they have a way of, you know, I know that voice in your head that's like, get out of here, get out of here, get out of here, you know. It's kind of like that, I think it's that fight or flight feeling that we were talking about last week. I think, you know, when you get that, it's good to stop and listen to yourself. You know what I mean?

You're probably right on on your feelings. How far away was the movement from you? It was under 100 yards when I left. It started out. It was probably about. probably 175 yards is the farthest you could catch any kind of movement through the leaves in there. Which made it real good for squirrel because they couldn't see you until they were fairly close. And ground level was fairly open.

I kept catching glimpses of movement, and like I said, that feeling kept getting worse. And the movement kept spreading out, like a tactic like you'd used to divert attention. Like when we were squirrel hunting his kids, with one guy would walk around the back, side of the tree to scare the squirrel around to the front where the guy had had the gun. And that's what I felt like is like I was getting maneuvered around. Like I said, there was another thing that happened in that area years before that had unnerved a few of us pretty good. It was only half mile away from there.

Some friends and I had decided to go out to this little chunk on the river that was kind of a high sandy bank, and we were going to have a bonfire at night. There was like seven or eight of us had all gone out there. It was pitch black. You could barely see your hand in front of your face. We were up on top of that, trying to find some wood and get a little fire started. A couple of the guys were off the side, and we could hear something on the other side of the river down in the brush moving around.

And there used to be berries down there. I don't know if there still are, but I kept telling them, you know, because they were saying about it, and we saw it's probably just a deer. And they grabbed some rocks that they were found a long edge of the river, and they started throwing them over there. And one of them rocks hit something with a loud, hollow thud. I mean, it was a flock. And that's when all hell broke loose.

And something come charging across that river and up that bank. And it was big, whatever it was. He couldn't see it, but you could hear it. And it was coming up through that river, it was going, everybody scattered. There was about eight months pregnant was with us. And she was screaming, stop, I'm pregnant. Everybody else had left her, a guy named Rich, and I grabbed each one of, each one of us grabbed one side. We had her lifted off the ground.

We ran 200 yards carrying her back to my car. You can always outrun her one. Yeah, yep. Every man from a car. Whatever it was. it could have definitely had us. It stopped. But when it stopped, it must have been right on top of us.

It was only half mile away from the area where I felt like it was being hunted. So that's a pretty spooky area in my book these days. You do that to a bear and a bird run. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You hit it with a rock with a, you know, you throw a rock at a bear and it hits a barrel, and it hits a barrel, take up front. I mean, Black Bear will anyway. Right.

All right. I've run into Black Bear. we're out here. Usually they don't want no party if they just want to get away. I don't know if I was hit with a rock, eight people or not, I come charging after you too.

My day is doing that. I was going to say, you know, you've had a ton of encounters and it kind of sounds like, you know, they may have been passing through your property at certain times of the year and showing I would call it aggressive behavior.

I know a lot of flute players out there will think it's, they're just, you know, they're wanting to see the kids and but you know it's not like animals. You know, they always go after the young and they always go after the old.

You know, that's the easy Yeah, that's an easy meal. Right. But what do you think? Saskwatch is looking back. I mean, what do you think it is? I mean, it's something I'm always fascinated in the way of answers.

Well, you know, I've heard a lot of people have a lot of ideas. some think it's a type of ape, some think the type of human. I think it's its own kind of animal. Whatever it is, it's kind of like a platypus. There's a duck bill on it,

but I don't think it's any type of duck. I think it's its own type of creature, and it happens to be shaped like us quite a bit. Other than that, you know, look at a fox and look at a wolf. They're both shaped similar, but rabbits that I've seen, they've got different behavior than anything else I've run into. No. No. In fact, that area where I had those two incidents,

there's people around there. They don't like to talk about it, but they can actually call it the corn man. They claim, you know, it hangs around in the cornfields on the outside of that river, and they're kind of spooked about it. Years ago before they... ...isn't something that's new. You know, a handful of people will talk to you. You know, when you tell them what you've seen, If they're not picking on you, half the time they're telling you what they saw.

You know, I've heard stories going back to the 50s that really, you know, sounds similar to some of the things I run into. They're like that if you... That I've run into, they're all tied in with water. They're all tied in by waterways that interconnect. Exactly. I've always figured they've got to be traveling by that or maybe by old railroad grades or whatnot because they're just not being spotted across in the road.

All the hunting I've ever done in the Winnar, I've never seen a track, never once seen a track crossing a road. And I just didn't understand how they could be in so many different areas, and you not find a trace of them crossing. The only other question I had for you, Steve, did you, living at that property or being out in that area, have you ever heard any other vocalizations? I know being out and being kind of keen and being somewhat of woodsman, you hear different sounds, so you know they're different animals, but have you ever heard any odd sounds while you're out there?

You know, on the farm, once in a while you'd hear a weird howl or yell way off in the distance, but, you know, you couldn't tell since I've been older. You know, I've heard knocks. Every now and then when I've come through a certain area, and it won't be only just once in a while, you'll hear a knock, and then as you move along, you'll hear another one somewhere off in the distance. But the one that really had me scratch in my head and kind of creeped me out was along one of these cedar swamps out back.

I was sitting up in a cedar tree all came out out. I heard what sounded like a family of people on a leisurely stroll talking to one another. And they were talking like they were separated by a little distance, kind of talking back and forth and just walking along. But you couldn't make out any of the words. and I have never in my life seen anybody else out in that dense cedar swamp walking along, especially a family. Would you describe the color of the chaper or like a language?

You know, if you've ever heard people like a family in the park, it's a distance off to where you couldn't hear the words, it was more like they were talking, but you couldn't tell what they were saying. And it just struck me as funny. I mean, I can't say for sure it wasn't people out there, but I mean, this is an area where if you took one wrong stuff, you're in moral. You know, you disappear. Right, right.

I've heard that catches a lot of people's attention when they hear that. I've actually heard other people say that, too, to where you hear, it sounds like your conversation, but you can't quite make out what is being said. I mean, it sounds like people talking, but you can't make out any words. And I think the fact that you picked up on it, I've heard that so many times I can't tell you that,

especially from hunters to where they, they thought they heard something. It sounds like people talking, but they can't quite make out what's being said. Well, you know, if I'd have been on the edge of some field out in a wood lot and heard that, I'd never give it a second thought. But, you know, I used to love hunting the cedar swamps. I'd go out there as deep as I could.

I'd climb up in a tree, and I'd just become the tree and just sit there for hours. I couldn't tell you how many thousands of hours I spent in the woods doing that kind of stuff. it was so odd it seemed so out of place I just couldn't put a finger onto what to make of it I've only seen like the creature once and I've had these weird run-ins and I can't prove anything

but this is what my best educated guess is on most of it yeah no and I really appreciate you sharing it well thank you and I appreciate you guys show I mean I'm hearing a lot of common sense stuff I've had people tell me you know that these These things are just, you know, friendly, gentle, forest hippies and all this. I'm not buying it. I feel afraid for people.

Let's have Wes explains the flute player. He mentioned, made that comment. So you've got to tell everybody what the flute. Oh, the fun-loving hippie flute player. That's what you're talking about? Yeah, right, right. No, I got one question before you go. Based on what you know now and the things that you have experienced,

What advice would you give to people if they run into a Sasquatch? From what I've dealt with, I'd say just try to, you know, don't run. That'd be the first thing I'd say. I wouldn't ever run. But I'll back out of there. Be careful. I'd watch for signs not to be led into a trap. You know, I mean, I don't think that's something going to happen often, but I think it could.

And it does happen to case. Yeah. You know, I would just try to real calmly and nonchalantly act like you're not really aware of anything. Just try to move out of their cautiously, not really paying much mind. I think I have a feeling you pay too much attention. You draw people's attention or critter's attention and it makes them more aggressive. And Will, I think you probably agree with that. I mean, I've heard you say that several times.

Right. And it kind of depends. Contact or treat it like you would a bear encounter. I think that's probably the best, like in the situation where you felt like you were being. hunted. You can ignore it. Just pretend they're not there and get out of the area. Attention saw one of these things, which he did. And then after a while, he

kept turning back looking. They're not there, pretend you don't see anything, and back away from the area. You wouldn't shoot, like God figured out? Like God sorted out? Would I? You know, these days I might, you know? I wouldn't want to

shoot anything unless the situation came up, because from what I can tell, I don't think these things, you know, from what I've seen and known and heard and read, I don't think they're alone. I don't think they're alone much. And I would not want to press my luck, trying to take more and one on.

One would be bad enough. Yeah, you take one night. You're going to have these pals coming around. No, you're right. I think you're right. I think you're in trouble most of the time. One thing I learned a long time back is, you know, you watch the guys that go in there

and they're just trying to stalk every step in there, and, you know, be stealthy like little store-bought camouflage ninjas. And every critter in the forest spots, and before they get halfway to their spot, and they're gone, they know the game. Absolutely. If you stroll through like nothing's going on and you don't pay attention, you'd be amazed how close you can get to critters and how much they won't pay attention to you.

They won't feel your threat. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. Well, we appreciate it, Steve. We appreciate you coming on very much. I appreciate you sharing your encounter. Well, thank you. It's nice to be able to talk to people and not worry about, you know,

being labeled to town coop and stuff. No. I mean, not you for us. Well, you know, the ones say things like that have never seen anything and they have no idea what they're talking about. Oh, hey, I saw it, and I couldn't believe it. Well, for a long time, I still, you know. None of us could.

You know, all of us have grown up. Yeah, and especially if you read up on all these other crazy encounters, where people have all these crazy interdimensional and all that. And then you feel like, well, I don't really want to come forward with this because I don't really want to be a part of that, you know, because it's not really what I went through. What I went through was... Well, you know, and you just don't know what to expect when that happens either.

You don't know what the intentions are, what the ground rules are or nothing. And that right there is scary enough as it is. Yeah, because we don't have any reference for that anyway. Right. And I approach animals. the way I approach humans. I've heard people, one of my pet peeves is people saying, oh, an animal won't attack without any reason.

Well, you know, there's people out there that go around killing each other for no reason. The animals are just the same as people. You've got good ones, you've got crazy ones, you've got some that can have a bad day and snap, you know. Absolutely. Just never know. Even if they're not fed well that morning, their outlook is going to be.

I appreciate talking to you guys. It's been enjoyable. Yeah, blood. Well, let's get in touch some time, and I'll share some information. Yeah, I'd like that if you could. There's a few questions that I have in back in my mind on and stuff like that. And thanks for listening, Steve. Appreciate it.

Hey, I look forward to your show every week. I appreciate that very much. All right. Thanks a lot, guys. Oh, you're welcome, Steve. Steve, thanks so much for coming on. Interesting account. Yeah, it makes you wonder why it was coming up to the window,

then to the kit dot his little sister's window. I mean, that stuff's creepy, I think. It's like all these stories, you know, like the CalMet... No, I was going to say, I like the part two where it was a legitimate story and also his opinion about the creature was, you know,

he did fear it. It wasn't like he was going to go out and play the flute for it, like West was saying or the other. That's pretty tick-full with a lot of the stories we've been hearing lately, and I think that's a pretty accurate assumption of how the creature is and how it reacts.

So, yeah, I thought it was a really good story. Yeah, I've never had Well, except for the people that had the gifting bowl and leave the cookies. This apple tree and she was describing these footprints and of course the footprints to her were three feet long, the toes were a basketball size and she says, they kept talking

to her and I knew she was a complete nut job. We're almost out of time. I wanted to, I got an encounter for you guys and I know that both of you have heard it before. It's from Alaska. It's one I wanted to queue up, I think, a few shows ago and I really didn't get a chance to. And I wanted to take as much time as you wanted to share his encounter with us.

I'll go ahead and play this encounter for you guys, and then we'll close it out. We end up spending a lot of time out in the wilderness. He hunts nearby Prince of Wales Island. A hundred thousand acres of dense rainforest. The island of Prince of Wales is important to me because I've been hunting there all my life with my family. so I know the country. I've been up to the mountain tops and down in the valleys.

With the Alaska winter closing in, when he takes his last hunting trip of the year to the island. I took my sister hunting over on Prince of Wales we're over there for a week. It was raining and blowing one evening. We're going to camp up on this mountain ridge. But the weather was just too nasty.

We couldn't even get a fire going. So we drove, down to eagles nest that was already closed for the winter. There was no one there. We pulled into this campsite. We were driven by the bridge apart there and tilted the seats back and tried to sleep the best we could. Woody settles for the night,

but senses that something isn't right. Couldn't shake this feeling of being watched. The rain stops. Sixth sense as a hunter is alert. just really quiet, too quiet. No animal life, no bird activity. Grabbed me in the chest of fear. See something that big, that close.

He was powerful. He was big shoulders on him. If he wanted to, I think he could have reached through that window and grabbed us and hurt us severely. Air flight kind of fear. You know, if you can get away, get away. If you can't, then you know you're going to have to fight for your life. That's how bad it was.

I sat up, I hollered. I screamed. The menacing beast disappears. An experienced hunter, Woody knows it's a Sasquatch. I'm out in the woods so much that I know what I saw. It was mind-changing, changed my life. There's something out to that. I don't know what it is.

It's not human. It's not an ape. I was actually going to play that next week. But after hearing the Steeds' Encounter, It had a lot of similarities after hearing him talk and listening to this guy describe his encounter and describe what he saw and kind of the whole experience. You know, they really should look into that whole fight or flight feeling that people get. Yeah, it's one of the things I've been working on is, in fact, just recently discussing that with a professional, different psychological aspects and things I'm going to be discussing in the next book, fight or flight mechanism is a very strong one in us,

in most animals actually. We have had contact. Our ancestors, ancient people had a lot of contact with these creatures. You know, I'm sure that a lot of that, when we sense those things, like when Steve mentioned he felt he was being hunted,

you know, that I'm sure there's probably some instincts in us from conflicts with these things many, many generations ago that are still... Yeah, I mean, it's just a real unique sense that you feel when it happens to you. And, you know, it's not like a little kid being scared in the night. I mean, it's something to where when it happens, like I was telling Steve, you almost kind of have

stop and listen to that. Listen to that feeling like when he was out in the woods and he had that feeling like he was just being surrounded. He saw kind of movement. It's a real interesting. You know, it's a real interesting psychological thing that I think should be studied more. Yeah, and there's a reason that we have that gut reaction. If we listen to that, Usually it's correct. Yeah, I think it's a safety mechanism that's built in us. Yeah, right. You know, animals have it.

We have it. I think a lot of times it may save our life, you know. Yeah, I think that's a lot of the reason we have that. You know, the animals that are usually the most wary and pay attention to that are the ones that live the longest. That's true. Well, that's pretty much all I had for you guys. I didn't know how long Steve would go for. Well, you know, in talking to hunters and longers over the years,

I wanted to make an appeal out there to our listeners. have been loggers or worked with loggers and or hunters. Contact us with their accounts if they have, and we'd like to talk about those with you. And I've known from interviewing hunters and loggers over the years, they are very reticent about talking about their accounts, but we'd sure like to hear from you and discuss your accounts on the air. Yeah, absolutely.

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