Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1211 Encountering The Others

Episode Date: December 7, 2025

Tonight we will be chatting with Max. I was streaming a live show during Thanksgiving and Max joined my live stream and gave a brief summary of what happened to his family. I reached out to him and asked him to share this period of his life and what his family went through. You have to hear this full account.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What would he report in? Jesus Christ, you better? Can you see them. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. This is Mr. Rogers from Phoenix, Arizona, and the only podcast we listen to in my neighborhood is Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be chatting with Max, and Max is a member of Sasquatch Chronicles. I was streaming a live show during Thanksgiving with Brent Thomas from the paranormal portal and Max had joined the stream.

He gave kind of a brief summary of what happened to him and his family during this period of time in his life. And I really wanted to hear the rest of it. I wanted to hear the whole thing. And I reached out to Max and asked him to share this period of his life of what him and his family went through and I'll let Max go into what happened to him. I know there's not much there in a description, but you just have to hear this whole thing.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Max to the show. Max, thanks for coming on.

Thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. Thank you. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here and sharing the whole event that happened to you and your family. And I wanted to ask you this during the live stream, was there anything that happened at the house prior to, the strangeness appearing?

Well, not specifically, no, I can say that times we're going through some kind of tricky, tough times. I'd lost my grandmother a year literally 12 months earlier. I mean, the thing is,

I'd been in denial about a lot of things, and I realized there's a lot I'd learned about myself through this whole bunch of experiences. And one of the things didn't really hit home until much later on, is that I'd lived in a house in 2011. I'd moved into a three-story house by myself, rented a room upstairs where there was clearly something not right in that house. And that progressed into what turned out to be some

pretty scary poltergeist activity there. But I never, because at the time, I was so good at just denying it, steadfastly being stubborn and saying, nope, I didn't want to accept it. I didn't want to believe it, even though it was pretty damn clear. I got to the point where I just put it to the back of my mind, moved on with life.

There was a lot going on. And I never put two and two together because I didn't correlate the two. I didn't realize when it was all happening that like you just said, there's definitely something going on when whatever box you want to put these things in, it doesn't quite fit. And I've thought about this over and over the years many, many times.

And the way I put it to myself is it's one of three things. Either if these things are, if these, whatever you want to call them, UAP, UFOs, if these things are extraterrestrial, maybe, maybe, if it's technology, that these things use, maybe it affects space time around them. Maybe there's a residual effect. That's one thing I'd considered. And for a time, that was my preference to try to believe that that must be the answer, because I couldn't make sense of it.

Because I can say with what happened here, our neighbor was affected as well. And we didn't learn of that for seven years. We didn't speak to each other about what had happened. and it came out a couple of years ago in the garden having a barbecue. The other neighbor on the other side, because we live in a terrace road, house alongside each other. On the other side, she moved out pretty about maybe four months after what happened here began. The other possibility is that, I don't know,

it's either that the technology causes some residual effect and affects space time. And if that's true, then are we classing these, what would you call them, ghosts, the poltergeist activity, that kind of thing? Could it be that we're messing with the dimensions and things are being all messed up? And then we experienced them and called them ghosts. Who knows? Or the thing that scares me the most to the bone that really bothered me. And there's the one that kept me awake so much.

is that they are what we have traditionally called angels and demons, and that in our modern technological lifestyle of today, we are seeing them and thinking of them as extraterrestrial from another planet. And if they're not, then that's the most scary thought of all, which is what had me run to the priest for help, because I didn't know where else to turn. I couldn't make sense of the initial night experience, which seemed so I struggled with the words to find it was almost an angelic experience.

Why then would it turn dark? Why then did it feel as if we had this negative, almost demonic infestation? One of a better word. And I didn't know who else to ask. I literally went to the cathedral to ask that question. If somebody was visited by an angel, would that open the door to something dark thereafter? That's what I needed. I didn't know how else to ask it or how was to make sense of it, but it took me years to get to that point.

Where I no longer believed that these, whatever the object was that called me outside that night, I no longer believed that it was just simply extraterrestrial from another planet. there is another option maybe it is and maybe they want us want us to see them or revere them as if they are what we call angels maybe that's an option too or maybe something else who knows but the frustration of not having these answers is what took me so many years to come to terms with to be okay with So it doesn't, I'm okay with it now. I'm just left with the questions and no answers. It's frustrating, say the least.

Yeah, it's frustrating when something extraordinary happens in your life and you have no answers. If you would, would you start from the very beginning. When did this happen and walk us into what happened and take your time? Yeah, thank you. So in roughly October, late September, early October of 2014, we had been living in, we'd moved into this house one year earlier, October, 2013. And one night, I'd gone to bed about 11 o'clock. And I didn't realize that while I was sleeping, my teenage daughter, she was 17 at the time. time and her best friend from school who happened to be our next door neighbor's daughter.

They'd been at the front of the house and she told me, told me the next day that they'd watched these balls of light, not high up, not very high up, but silent, making formations, patterns and that they were beautiful, different colors, and that they had shot off really fast and she didn't know what they were. There was no noise. She said she wanted to wake me up and tell me, but she chose not to. I didn't know what to make of it.

I was never into any of this stuff before. I was too busy doing what I was doing in my life. And the next night, I was trying to finish off a project of website I was building, so I was up quite late. And I went into the back garden to smoke before I went to bed. A couple of minutes before, 4 a.m. And it was cold.

I had my coat on. And I'm sitting, looking at the beautiful stars. I remember I was looking up at the play of these, the Seven Sisters. By the way, there was not a cloud in the sky. It was absolutely cloudless, crystal clear, one of those beautiful starry nights. I was thinking of my grandma at the time. There was a double flash of white light that lit the sky up. and I thought, as you would, that it must just be lightning or something from a distance.

I look around, realizing, well, there's no humidity, there's no clouds whatsoever. And just as I was thinking that, there was another double flash of pure white light. But it seemed to be emanating from above me stronger this time. So I look up, straight up above me. And these two balls of pure white light, very, again, low in the sky. These weren't up in the atmosphere, maybe 100 feet up, something like that. They were traveling side by side from behind my position, over my head, silently. And then they made a shocking right angle left turn and just instantaneous.

They just shut off so fast they left almost visible trace lines, like trails behind them. And it was just absolutely stunning and bizarre. So I've run through the house, hoping to see more, but the speed that they went, it was so damn fast. They weren't visible. So I stood around for a couple of minutes thinking, wow, that was incredible. It must have been what my daughter had seen the night before.

And I checked my phone. It was 11 minutes past four in the morning. And I thought, what I'll tell her, that's, you know, I saw them. at 4.11. And at this point, I'm ready for bed. I didn't expect to see anything else. So I've come in the house, locked the door, and gone to walk up the steps to go to bed. That was my full intention. And as I've put my foot on the second or third step, all of the hell on the back of my neck went up. And the most intense and unique and strange situation happened.

This is really tricky to put into words was, um, I had an instruction that was not in words. It wasn't a voice. It was instantaneous. It was powerful enough to stop me in my tracks and shock me because I recognized that it wasn't from my thoughts. It wasn't coming from me.

It was instantly recognizable as something came into my conscious mind and and told me to don't close a door, go outside and look up. And with curiosity and shock, I turn around, I opened that front door. And as I stepped out and looked up, a most beautiful golden, plasmary, easily 30 foot in diameter, object moved out silently from over the roof of the house. house and stopped just above me. Now, all of this happened at once, that I became aware of ultra silence, absolute vacuum silence. There was an instantaneous feeling of love and real, really intimate and strange feeling,

of being observed, of being watched, but also. of static electricity. I could only hear myself breathe. I was in complete shock and awe of this thing. It was the shape it had was like a spinning top. Like if you took a horizontal diamond shape, but coming from emanating from the center vertically above and below it, there were shards of light that were extending and attracting.

And around the edging was more golden, tinged towards the edges, and very hazy as well, like a white haze, but almost like slow motion golden waves of plasma, basically, like fire. It was the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life. And I'm just completely gobsmacked looking up at this thing. I've become aware of the absolute silence, like I've never had such silence. And it's heard nothingness like that before. And the feeling of love was shocking because it was instant. And it brought tears to my eyes. But it was like the kind of love that you get for parents out there when your child is born.

It's the only time I've ever felt that before. You know, just a joyous love. The electricity was overwhelming. And so I'm looking up with this thing in shock and awe. and I waved it at some reason. I didn't know what else to do because it felt so, so I don't know what the words are to find here.

It just felt so, well, it was just shocking. And I'm having these tingles of what felt like electricity racing up my spine over my scalp, up and down, and all of the hair on my body was on end. And I looked down at my left forearm, expecting to see the hair on end, realizing my coats on and I'm not going to see it.

And that's when my logical brain started to kick in because I started to think, hold on, this can't be safe. With the electricity, there was so much charge in the air that I thought I'm going to get some sort of discharge. This could be dangerous. And I quickly started to think I should run inside, get someone, wake someone up, come running back down. I thought it would be gone by then.

I was just like an idiot. I looked around all the other houses, hoping there'd be some movement, something a neighbor awake or, but nobody. I considered screaming, shouting into the house to get someone's attention. None of it felt appropriate. And that's when I realized, ah, I've got my phone in my coat pocket, my top left breast coat pocket. And it was the very moment that I thought of getting my phone.

And this was a rubbish phone. I mean, I remember it was a push button Nokia one from 2011. and I think it had like 10 pixels by 10 pixels recording capability. It would have been pretty rubbish. But the moment I thought about my phone, it's as if I felt as if it knew what I was thinking. I felt that I really made this extremely profound situation shallow. And it immediately started to move to my left.

So I realized I'd messed up. I felt like I'd messed this up by thinking about doing something like that. And I, no, no, no, no. I didn't want it to go. I started to walk under it. It was gliding silently, maybe only 80 feet to 100 feet tops above me. And it starts to speed up and speed up as it moved silently. It was so beautiful.

About 70 or 80 feet down the road, it curves to the right, and it starts to now raise up as it's. speeding up. So I was jogging after it and then I thought, no, there's no point. It's obviously leaving. And like I say, there wasn't a cloud in the sky. So I decided to just take it all in with my eyes because this thing was absolutely beautiful. It was unbelievably beautiful. So I just stay back and watched it as it sped up and went up, up, up, up, up into the stars until I can see anymore it was gone up in the atmosphere. I wandered back in the house and I've,

I didn't realize just how much, how shocked, how much shock I was in, basically. I've never been in shock like that. I couldn't believe it, but yet it happened. It was real. And that's the bit I couldn't, I just couldn't accept it, but I knew it just happened. So I believe that's what causes the shock, right?

And I knew my girlfriend was going to wake up soon. And I had a clock on the kitchen wall where there is one now, as you can see. And I remember specifically leaning up against the kitchen side there. And I just happened to realize that the dawn was breaking and there was a little time missing because it made no damn sense. I was under that thing for what seemed like only a minute or two. And yet I knew it was 11 minutes past four when I came into the house. And it only took a few seconds for that whole thing to happen and me step outside under it. And yet it was now something like 10 to 5.

So I'm missing some time. But even that I denied to myself for the longest time. I just locked it down like, nope, not happening. my girlfriend woke up she had to work early that morning and when she came downstairs I tried to tell her what had happened

and just I couldn't speak I just lost the power of speech and I broke down complete and utter traumatic kind of shock I was in and being the good woman she is she just hugged me

she knew something was very very wrong I remember laying in bed the sun was now up and I still had the scalp tingles like the electricity that was in the air where it was up and down my spine over my scalp and I was absolutely elated because it just completely changed my world it was the most shocking yet life-changing experience I could ever have because how can this thing be real it's obviously not something normal I just was my mind was blown. Max, can I ask you before you go on?

So you first see these balls of light your daughter had described to you and then you see this craft. What fascinates me about the way you describe it, I sat across from Travis Walton. They made the movie, The Fire in the Sky after him. And I can tell you from my interview, just from sitting across from Travis, I believe everything that he says happened actually happened. Prior to it hitting him with that beam of light, he describes it as one of the most beautiful things he had ever seen. Do you think the balls of light and the craft were related? It was kind of all one and the same. So recently, and since all of that,

I went down some serious rabbit holes. And I, there's been a few, reports I've heard where people have seen, for example, objects materializing around these balls of light. I don't know what they are. I've also, I spoke much later on, years later, years later, I spoke with Chris Bledsoe and he was the first person to, he told me that they're not ETs. He said that these things are your loved ones. He said these things are angels and they're your loved ones, the balls of light. And he showed me some images. And really, I didn't, I'm someone, I think it would be a good idea for me personally. What I prefer to do is I won't put all of my eggs in one basket. I won't say that it's X or Y because I have no idea. All I can say is what

happened. And I don't like to, um, I mean, I can throw. throw guesses out, but I don't like to personally for myself, I don't want to be wrong. Yeah, I get it. I get what you're trying to say. And I respect it. You know, the other thing in your account that really hit me was the whole mind speak thing. And you'll hear it in Sasquatch encounters. You'll hear it in poltergeist encounters. You'll hear it in alien encounters. And specifically with Sasquatch, I'll ask people. was it like someone else's voice? Is that what you heard? And I can tell you the majority of people will say no. That's not what it was like. It was like an overwhelming idea put in their head,

something that they didn't come up with. It was a thought. And I find it fascinating. That's how you describe it. So you come in, and it sounds like you have a good woman, man. You got to hang on to the good ones. But what kind of happens next? Yeah, she's a good person. She's a great girl. The next night, it came back, but it was the night after when it came back at a distance. The best thing for me was that she was with me. And it was the biggest relief, the biggest relief, because ultimately, I can understand that people would struggle or why should they care to believe this stuff? I wouldn't have believed it myself if it hadn't have happened to me, right? But what did matter and what does matter to me is that your loved ones, the people you care about, that they know that that's what meant the world to me. So the next night, I told her when she got back from work that day.

So I went to bed. It took me hours to go to sleep because my mind was racing. I was trying to figure it out. But the next night, she said she'd wake up. staying up on purpose, hoping it would come back because I needed her to see it so that I knew I wasn't crazy as well. She said she'd wake up if I call her. But I'd gone from the back of the garden to the front of the house and I was pacing back and forward, back and forward, praying this thing would come back. And at one point, a little later on, because I remember the dawn was

broken and the blue was coming into the sky at this point. I'm at the front of the house and suddenly to my right there are some three-story houses. There may be, I'd say 100 feet away, maybe 120 feet. And this thing suddenly comes into view again, about 80 feet up, maybe 100 feet up. And the moment I saw it just, wow. It glides or it. long silently and just passes over the top of these three-story houses. And I'm just mesmering instantaneously. I'm like, watch, it's back. And then I thought, these people are asleep in their beds, not realizing that right over their beds, this thing, whatever it is, is passing over. And so I grabbed my phone and calling her now. And I never forget, because it was so frustrating.

She was like, oh, hey, one, too tired. I'm like, babe, babe, it's back. You've got to come downstairs. And she wasn't interested in getting out of bed. While this, I'm on the phone to her, the thing does a really strange, that left hand, like 90 degree instantaneous turn and passes from my right in front of me. That's the point I'm on the phone to her. And then starts to speed up, curves up, and heads up into the sky there. and I could only watch and take it in again with my eyes.

It was such a beautiful sight to behold. But I was really frustrated now because she didn't want to wake up and come down. It was a third night. And she'd promised that what she'd do is she'd go to bed super early so she could get enough sleep and I was going to stay up again in the hopes that it would come back again. I'd lost, I didn't think, I didn't know what was happening to us, but I thought it would maybe come back.

I was hoping it would come back. So she's in the kitchen. She wakes up at 3 a.m. Just specifically to hope that she can see it. And my daughter had come, woken up to. And she was stirring her coffee over there in the kitchen. And I was in the back garden at the time. And I just happened to look now in the opposite direction

and caught it coming down from really high the sky, but it came down really sharp, not straight down vertically and just stopped, but it was now maybe 300 feet away at a distance now. But again, the moment you lays eyes on this thing, the luminosity is unique. The type of light is unique. It moves uniquely. It's not something you mistakenly identify. It's just too bizarre. And it just stopped. And I call her out and she runs outside into the garden. At the moment she sees it, I felt a ton of weight off my shoulders because she instantly was just, wow, she couldn't believe what she was seeing.

It sat there for maybe six, seven seconds, absolutely stationary and silent. And then instantaneously took off without any speeding up. It just went from zero to whatever speed, just zip lined up. in that direction, out of sight over the rooftops, we couldn't see it. And I just was so relieved. So now she's seen it with me. And it was just fantastic, basically, such a relief. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, a

beautiful, a beautiful experience with an object that was stunning to look at. And for me, it was the personal, ultra-personal part of it. The fact that, as you said earlier, when people have described mind speak, that's the bit that's quite, how do you want to look at it? It's beautiful but terrifying at the same time. because if these things, whatever they are, can come into your sacred space of your mind and give you instructions and communicate with you,

well, number one, it means we're capable of at least receiving information that way, which in itself is absolutely a beautiful thing. But it's also pretty damn scary, right? Because your mind is, is it really your own? how much sovereignty do you have over your own thoughts if these things can do that? And it leads to all kinds of questions. You hear people being, you know, demonically possessed and things like that. It makes you wonder because I can tell you from that experience that it was recognizable as instantaneously.

It was such a unique experience of having something come into my mind. mind that you recognize is not coming from within you. That in itself was absolutely bizarre, but I knew instantly that something had just come from outside my conscious thoughts into my mind. But the way it happened for me, it was almost a physical feeling because it was instantaneous and it was perfect. It was my mind that had to because I have to explain what the instruction was, I put it into words, but it was perfect and instant.

And so words are like an archaic way that we communicate, but the fact that it proves that we're capable of receiving at least instantaneous information and that we have developed from childhood, we learned to make sounds to communicate. Well, it leads to all kinds of questions. and possibilities to them.

But yeah, I thought for me, those three nights having my girlfriend with me to see it, I was completely happy now, you know,

it seemed to have been a really beautiful experience. It seemed to be all good. And then things got weird. Weird at first and then turned not nice. And I wasn't expecting that. I didn't expect anything more to happen.

It was amazing that the thing had come back in the area three times in a row. And I just thought I was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And it just happened to move in to check me out or maybe the right place, right place at the right time, whichever way you want to put it. And I just happened to be there when it was around. later on by the way I must say later on it turns out that there were other people in this neighborhood that saw these balls of light so it wasn't just me it wasn't just my daughter and our neighbor's daughter so anyway about about two three four weeks had passed and I am driving to a shop one night at the back of our hair

house is a road with, you know, a 40 mile an hour road with lots of roundabouts, a couple of miles long. So I'm heading down that way. And it's nighttime. And just as I approached this roundabout, I noticed something up to my left, not high in the sky, but something that definitely shouldn't be there. Just didn't make any sense. Was a really big ball of red light, as odd as that sounds, which is what I was thinking. It didn't make any sense. And I looked at it twice and thought,

what is that? Because I know this area really well. I've lived here for many years. And before we moved in here at the time this happened, I'd lived across the road as a small child. And I knew that where this ball of light was, there was nothing back there. There was a one-story car show room.

And then you have, train tracks and there isn't there isn't anything above one story high there are some high tension power lines and this thing was just above the high tension power cables so i knew that i went around around about and pulled in so that my car's facing pretty much facing this this light and i'm just staring at it thinking what is that um it didn't make any sense it didn't seem to be an object like what was over the house. And as I'm looking at it, I figured I'm going to get out and take a closer look. So I get out my driver's side and I just keep looking at it thinking, what the hell is it?

About 20 feet above the high-tension power alliance. And as I thought this time, I'm going to get my phone out of my coat, which is on the passenger seat. I keep staring at the thing. I reach in, I get my coat out, I get my phone in my hand. And as I put the phone up and turn it on, the thing just blinks out. Just gone, like somebody turned off a life like switch. And I just realized it must be something to do with what had happened a few weeks earlier. I couldn't explain it any other way.

And just carried on with my journey told I go off from when I got home, how strange that was. And then we just carried on with our lives, right? until maybe another three, four, five weeks had passed. All of that stuff after three, four, five weeks. You don't expect anything more to happen. I didn't think anything would. And we kept it to ourselves. We were out in the back garden and we were going to go to bed about 11 o'clock.

We were in the middle of a conversation and as to my right, my girlfriend. And just, I can't remember what we're talking about, but it was nothing, but just a normal conversation. And that feeling that had happened on the stairs, where the hell on the back of the neck stood up, and the feeling of being under that object, which was a very, like a feeling of being watched, very, very strong,

suddenly happened. And to the point where both of us, were looking at each other, and she looked freaked out, and I felt the electricity in the air, the feeling was this time definitely not a nice one. We felt this dreaded fear, bone-chilling kind of horrible, negative feeling. And all of a sudden, we're aware that there's no sound.

All of the normal background sounds just disappeared. It was absolute vacuum side. And from our position, we're looking at our back garden wall, our fence line. The fence had, because I boarded it up after this happened, because it freaked us out so bad. But the fence line had planks of wood, but for every plank, there was a space. So you could just see straight through. And because the road behind it have these powerful streetlights, you could see straight through. and all of a sudden from both sides of the fence line

and which is why I contacted you in the first place was about this because I couldn't make sense of this part either is suddenly something very very very heavy bipedal you could tell the way that it walked boom boom boom boom almost feel the ground shake from it both sides walked towards the centre dead in front of us.

At this point, she ran into the house and slammed the door and fear, but I was frozen solid to the chair. I couldn't move. It was really strange. I've never been frozen with fear in my life. I was freaked out.

And this, whatever these things are, they're invisible because I'm staring straight at the fence line looking for what's walking towards us and I can't see any. There's nothing there. And then as if it's walked straight through the down fence, this thing,

at least one of them has walked straight up towards me. And I truly believed that I was about to be ripped apart. That's how it felt. The fear was unreal. And it made me mad. So I griered my teeth and yelled because it just felt like something out of a horror film, out of a nightmare, was somehow come through to, to real life.

And I got mad and gritted my teeth and come on, do it. Nothing happened. I heard her behind me looking out through the window. And I was frozen solid. And all of a sudden, as quick as it began, all of the normal background sounds came back. The feeling of being watched, that claustrophobic feeling, that dread,

all of it kind of dissipated and lifted. Things felt normal again. Nothing had walked away. And I sat there for maybe 30 seconds to gain my composure and walked over to the fence, looked around. Everything seemed normal. And I wished to God I had looked up. I wished I'd have looked up.

I'd never thought to look around. And that scared the hell out of both of us because it was just so that was, I just don't understand. I don't know why, what the hell was there. And as many, you know, years later is when I came across one of your podcast shows. And that's what resonated with me, was listening to somebody explaining the silence, which immediately when I heard that, I had no idea that this happens with a lot of Saswatch sightings. And I just can't make sense of what was that in the garden and why was it invisible and how did it walk through the fence and why did it do it? And as if it was purposely trying to scare the hell out of us, it almost felt like a test of my resolve wanting to find it.

It felt like a prank. Like, was this some sort of joke? And again, though, in hindsight, I'm glad because. I've learned a lot about myself from these things, but that's when it started to turn really, really dark. And that was a pivotal moment from where it had been beautiful at first. Then that red light was like something neutral. And now it's messing with us.

And that's when we then went through a horrific time because we didn't realize that my girlfriend was pregnant. at the time that all of this was happening. She was told she couldn't have children. And we'd been together for years and we didn't know. And the pregnancy around this very time turned dangerous for our little boy who's now 10.

Of course, he made it and she made it through, but we didn't think he would. So that was a shock because she wasn't supposed to be able to have children and she was pregnant and we didn't know it when all of this was going on. At the same time that it turned dark

and the stuff in the garden happened. We also didn't know for seven years that our neighbour was also experiencing some really scary stuff in her house

at the same time that it was happening for us. I mean, she's just one brick wall away from us, right? So I have to fast forward to a couple of months had gone past now.

And we thought we were going to lose the child, the baby. We were told that she was not providing enough oxygen, that he could be born, brain damaged. And I had to threaten to sue them if they didn't put him out now because I didn't want to risk it anymore. So he had to be C-section, bring him out early, way too early. And I was going through help, because I couldn't handle it at the time.

At the same time that he spent five weeks in intensive neonatal, NICU, neonatal intensive care unit, and he was looking strong all the time, so he was making it through. My teenage son, who was estranged from me, complicated reasons with the mother, arrived on my doorstep, unannounced to move in with us.

He was 14. So there was a lot going on emotionally, say the least. And it was around this time that more began a lot more. And it turned into poltergeist type stuff and some scary, scary stuff from there. So my son turns up and he'd been here a couple of days. And there were some woods out the back of our house. There's a crematorium over there. but around the back of that crematorium is it's a place a little place called marum

and it's just you're literally talking about heading into the countryside so only a couple of farms couple of houses but it's just a good few miles of countryside heading towards a place called stamford so it's really it's something i've grown to appreciate about where we where we live here is you just have to cross that road walk down the road five minutes and once you head past that hedgerow, it's complete isolation. And you do get dog walkers down that way. But I used to head into those woods all the time.

I used to record the sounds of birds or like river and stuff, and I'd put it up on YouTube, just ambient sounds, because I used to use it to sleep to. And so I was used to going in there all the time. and I just figured because I hadn't seen my son, my 14-year-old son for a while, that we'd go for a walk and talk and catch up. So that morning,

I remember it was mid-morning, maybe 10, 11 o'clock in the morning. So we walked over there and I was just going to take him across the field, into the woods and we'll just have a talk. But as we were walking along, he's to my left, and we get to the wood line, and it's only a small patch of woods.

But like I say, it's isolated there. And there was no one else around. That is difficult to say about this stuff. I'm about to step in and that feeling happened again. It was a dreaded feeling and a feeling of being watched. And as I'm processing this, because it was so sudden and powerful, and I can still picture darting around my eyes in the woodline thinking what in there is of danger that's causing me to feel this

but then my son to my left says something about that what's that feeling I don't like it and I realize oh man it's not just me that he's feeling it too and then suddenly that feeling of being watched had a really tangible direction to it as crazy as that sounds. And so I instantly turn

to where I feel I'm being stared at from. And it's up in the sky behind me. And I just instinctively turned, looked up. And as I look up, this black

cylindrical object darts behind the only puffy white cloud that's in the sky. It was a big blue sky. It was a cold day. But there were no other clouds. And this is really strange because this cloud didn't look normal. It was almost cartoonish.

It just was odd. It just didn't. It was out of place. Very, very low, maybe a thousand feet up or so. So the moment I've looked up and seen this thing, it's just moved left behind this cloud. And I'm still staring at the cloud waiting for something logical to occur. I'm thinking it's got to be a hot air balloon, a plane. fight it anything normal.

But this is the head screwing part of all of this is that it's not normal but you want it to be but it clearly isn't. And you go into straight, instant denial mode. And I'm staring at this cloud

waiting for something normal to come out the other side. Nothing does. And I can't remember if he said it to me first, whether he said, Dad, did you see that? And I remember saying, yeah, did you see it too?

And he said, he struggled with the word cylinder because he said it was like, what did you see? And he said it was like a can, like a, what do you call it, like a cylinder. And at that moment, the last thing I remember doing is putting my left hand on his right shoulder and saying we need to get the F out of here. I remember feeling like we need to leave

and we need to leave now. It felt like we were in danger. it didn't feel good and I needed to get the F out of there and that's the last thing I remember I've spoken to him a couple of times over the years and asked him if he remembers leaving that field

and it should be clear as day because we had quite a distance to cover and he it was strange to him like it was to me because it was almost like a memory that's just been blanked down because when I asked him the first time when it occurred to me that I don't remember leaving the field he was a bit shocked by it too um like no dad funny enough now you come to ask

no uh he doesn't remember I don't remember leaving and I don't remember the next memory of that day which is even stranger still because I should remember coming home through the door I should remember something. Oh, it's been many years now. But I don't. Um, not that day. But what happened next was in quick succession. I'd fallen asleep on the sofa. I'd fallen asleep by extent. My girlfriend had gone to bed and I'd fallen asleep with the lights on. And I woke, this was the only time in my life I've had what, again, I'm so good at denial because for years, I told my that it was simply sleep paralysis and that I just must have imagined the sense of something in the room. But it woke me up, absolutely scared out of my wits, with a presence to my left of more than one something.

There was more than one thing staring at me. It felt like it scared me so much. I couldn't look left to look at it. And I know it got brought up on the show before was something which I, one of those personal things that I hadn't mentioned before is that I, I did literally, I was so scared. I called for God and Jesus, please help me. And I forced myself back to sleep because I was so damn scared.

I couldn't look to my left. and I somehow managed to get back to sleep. I think it was the next day that we had, my baby son was back at the house. And I know that I was in the house by myself with him. And he'd just come out of intensive care. So I can kind of place the date for that because he was born March 17th, five weeks in intensive care. and it was his first couple of days back in the house. And so I was in the living room again mid-morning

and he was asleep. It was so tiny that I'd rested him on a cushion, a very nice cushion on the sofa. And I was, I remember sat on the floor. I must have been staring at my phone or something because I wasn't paying attention to anything in the room. And he was asleep. But he woke up with such a scream

cry that it made me immediately jump up to pick him up and comfort him because he he kind of screamed out as if he was scared or had a nightmare or something. So I picked him up in my arms and as I turned something caught my attention, something in my eye, my white eye peripheral vision that moved. And so I looked over and launched off the ground. I mean, literally my heart skipped a beat. It scared me that much because in the doorway here between the kitchen and the living room, it was exactly halfway up the doorframe. So what, maybe three and a half feet tall was a, they had an oversized head, a skinny arm, and part of his leg sticking out, like it was halfway in the doorway, kind of leaning round as if something

was it was peeking in at us. And as I look over to the doorway, I literally launched off the ground. My heart skipped a beat. It scared the living day last out of me. This was something that shouldn't exist. It stood right in my door. And it was, it's halfway up the door frame.

So I think it's about three and a half feet tall. But it had a big oversized head and really skinny arm. like an odd physique, but it was semi-transparent. Like it was like a shadow that was not on the wall. It's actually there like you would be stood, but you could semi see through it. There was no detail. And the moment I've launched and it's scared out of me,

it glided across the room pretty fast, out of the back door that was wide open. I, that was the point was I remember, that was the point that I literally couldn't take this anymore. I didn't want to, whatever was going on. It was now, it was now so invasive. It was so overwhelming that I wanted nothing to do with this stuff. I didn't want anything to do with it. I wanted it to stop.

and it's now in my home. This is a whole different ballgame. This isn't something up in the sky. This is something that's now in my house. And the fact that my little baby boy woke up with the cry that he did, it's as if he sent something. I didn't tell my teenage son. I didn't tell him that.

I didn't want to freak him out too. Now, I remember that it, It was the next day that I was in the shower. And I didn't know he was in the house, my teenage son. And I, as I was just coming out of the bathroom, he came running up the stairs shouting for me. Like, Dad, Dad, Dad. And to the point where I was freaked out because he was so freaked out. I know, what?

What's happening? And he said, Dad, I was in the living room doing my hair in the mirror. And there was this, he described the exact same thing. like this shadow thing that was a person that was right behind him and then just glided out of the back door. Again, this was me hoping I would have preferred that it was just me losing my mind, but there were too many things that were shared experiences, and now that he's seen it too, and I hadn't even told him. And it was getting it now it's at the point where I'm not happy, man.

This is just horrible. In quick succession, at some point we were at the supermarket and my son was in the house with his friend in his bedroom. And I had a phone call from him and he was freaking out down the phone saying that, Dad, I'm not coming home to the house. The house is haunted. I'm not coming home. And it caused a lot of problems for us. a lot of problems because he refused to come back to the house, but he had to live here.

He said that him and his friend, they were doing, you know, what teenage boys do in the bedroom. And he said that the door handle was started to shake up and down, up and down. And that he'd said, Dad, stop it thinking it was me playing a prank on him. But I don't do that kind of thing.

I wouldn't have done that. And he said the feeling was really off And suddenly the door just opens all by itself All the way up And him and his friend got so freaked out at that moment They just ran out the house It was whether a coincidence or not, I don't know But about a week or two later

That friend that was in the house with him had a younger brother who was found, is so dark, his name was junior, and he was found in his bathroom, hung, they think it was a mistake. And I told myself

that it was some twist of time that maybe that was the ghost of that boy. I didn't know what, I was trying to make sense of all this stuff, but that boy died in a coma in hospital afterwards some weeks later. I was trying to just clutch to any not even reasonable explanation

as to what was happening to us. My son had said that these kitchen cupboards had opened violently and all kinds of why I now know as typical stuff. The gas cooker was on when we know it was off. It just turned itself on. My little baby boy, no matter where in the living room,

would go, he would always stare up at this one corner in the living room as if he could see something constantly. Lots of little things like that. So I can't remember what point I went to the, I didn't know where else to go, but I went to the priest. I didn't know what else to do or where else to turn. And I broke down in front of the, there was a female priest at Peterborough Cathedral. It's, I mean, that building's been there for 1,000 years. Beautiful place. But I didn't know where else to go. So I went there and this was the point that I needed to know.

One possible question I had was that if, because now I'm questioning Webberts, the original experience of that object over the house, I was questioning, I was questioning if it was an angelic experience. And I wondered if maybe, because I'd been so close to something like that, that maybe it opens the door to all kinds of things coming in. I just didn't know, I didn't know, but I didn't have any answers.

I didn't know where to turn, so I asked her. and she gave me the number to another priest. She wrote down, sorry, an email address and told her words were. And she listened and she told me that she deals with this kind of thing to contact her. And I never did because I just was hoping it would go away. And the longest time went on, I started to sleep downstairs, almost like, like a protection thing. A couple of nights in my bedroom,

I got so freaked out with the feeling in the room of being watched again that I felt like I had to be somewhere in the house that I could access the bedrooms to protect. How am I going to protect my family from this stuff? I don't know, but it put me in a state of confusion where I would sleep on the floor by the back door where that thing was. and I don't know, it made sense to me at the time.

And I would just constantly wake up through the night. It took me years of this stuff to try and to be able to sleep properly. And then 2017 happened, whereas I'm at work. It was the 17th of July 2017. It was about 11, or the past 11 in the morning. and it was an incredibly hot day, so bright. At the time, I was in a cement truck at a power station, and they were doing some drilling work.

So I was just waiting to get onto the pump. And as I'm sitting there, so much time I'd gone past now that it was just something in the past. It kind of fizzled out, apart from my, inability to relax in the house at night, that's for sure. But nothing had happened for a long, long time. And as I'm sitting there in the truck, I just happened to look up.

I don't know why. And notice this little dark spot in the sky heading seemingly towards my, towards me. And I'm looking at it above the trees, and the trees are being blown to my right. So there was a breeze and all the tree tops are blowing. But this thing is just heading in a straight line directly towards me. And I started to think, that's got to be a drone.

But as it gets closer, I realize it's a perfect sphere. And it gets closer still. And suddenly it dawns on me. This is something to do with whatever they are. It's reflecting light. It's a dark metallic sphere. And it's not moving with the wind. just coming straight up towards me and then it stopped about maybe 30, 40 feet above the tree line.

And so I realized I had my phone in my hand this time. So I was really pleased because I thought at last finally. So I get the camera on it. I try and zoom in. I'm behind the screen, you know, the wind screen and a bit dirty. But the thing moves to the left, heads up and stops against the wind. And it's just hanging out there. And then I get called onto the pump, typically.

And the two guys on site, I didn't know them, but I didn't want to draw attention to it. So I just pulled a truck up. I get on with the job, pull out the phone, and I start to record it again. So I caught three clips of this thing. And then it raises up higher and just hangs up, hangs around quite higher. Like I said, I was happy to finally get some footage of it.

But this dark metallic sphere just hanging around. And then it heads over, the tree line starts to go away. And I wish to God I could have gone after it, but there was no roads back there. It's Finland. There's no roads. And I was kind of elated to see something like that again, something physical and not something that was scary. I was kind of happy that happened. And then I called it on camera.

And a couple of days passed. and I was heading back to base and it was night time and I'm on a piece of road from a place called Thorny heading back on the A-47 motorway to piece of road and it's a section of motorway

that's 70 miles an hour there's no pullover point there's nowhere for me to stop and even on the edge of the road there's a dike, a ditch so you know, I'm in a what, 20-ton truck I can't just pull over

on the grass verge and as I'm driving along the windows open I've got my music on it always seems to be this way I just glance up and it's as if when someone's looking at you in the street and you just happen to make immediate eye contact somehow. It seems to be that way with these things

because it happened at Halloween again but I just happened to glance to my right and I saw what I immediately thought was a light plane about to crash because these amber light were heading vertically straight down at quite a distance, maybe maybe a mile away. And we live in a flatland kind of area. Fenlands is just flat so you can see for miles countryside.

And these amber lights, I see them just as they come down and veer up horizontally. But then they appear to be heading my way. So I'm glancing over, keeping my eye on the road. and I'm just running through this whole scenario of why is that light airplane why did it do that why is it heading towards me and why can't I see any blinking lights just orange amber

balls of light and I keep telling myself that it's again something normal it's got to be a glider maybe it's a glider and this was all happening quite quickly and it covers a lot of ground and as it gets close enough I start to realize, no, no, no, this is not right.

There's no object in between these lights. They're just perfectly horizontal, three amber lights, nothing connecting them. I can see that now. And they're heading in a direction that's perfectly going to intercept my position. I look at, consider putting the brakes on and stopping the truck. I think I can't cause a crash, you know, 70 mile an hour truck just sat there in the, in the lane. And I keep glancing over and these things pass over the roof of the truck so close that if I was stood on the truck, I could have touched them.

Absolute silence and beautiful with maybe five feet of gap between each one of the three balls of light. But then like plasma orange, fiery, energetic, swirling, but somehow hazy around the edges as well. and I saw them go over the hedgerow to my left. And it was almost like, hey, just letting you know, we're still here. And yeah, that was a nice one just to see them and they passed over so close. So the last thing that happened here was, was I think it was 2022. And I thought it was all over and done with. Everything's over and done with.

Occasionally we have some freaky things in the house a couple of months ago. My girlfriend who works from home for the NHS, she's on her laptop, Zoom calls all day, phone calls all day, organizing doctors, rotas and stuff. And she was on one of these Zoom calls with a colleague, and the colleague happened to notice that,

by the way, where she sits, directly behind her is that doorway where that thing was, this shadow transparent thing. And Anna's been hearing, she heard that same week, a couple of things went weird. We had the smoke alarms, fire alarms went off two or three times in a row over a couple of days. They'd go off as soon as I stood up to grab the thing. It just turned off again. and she called me at work and said that she'd heard a man's voice behind her when she's in the house alone, but it was as if it was right behind her, just say hello.

And she called me because it freaked her out. She felt someone touched her shoulder. And when she was on the call, the Zoom call with a work colleague, the work colleague said, what was that? They said, what do you mean? And she said she just saw a shadow move behind her. and then they both heard a man's voice say hello and it freaked her out she called me again and she said i want to leave the house and she actually went up to a costa coffee shop to work from

because it freaked her out that much and that was about four or five weeks ago so occasionally we have these weird things happening but the last time with any object in the sky was 2022 and i was stood out the front of the house with our neighbor kathy from next door just something to interject here is that Kathy, our neighbor, we didn't tell her about what was happening with us. We didn't share it like that. We kept it to ourselves.

And we invited around for a barbecue a couple of years ago. And I remember it was seven years after it began. And she had had a couple of glasses of wine. And she started to talk about something that freaked her sons out in her house. When she started to talk about the fact that her bedroom door flew open in the middle of the night and scared the living daylights out of her, I said, Kathy, when was this? And she said, well, I remember the Christmas lights were up.

And it was the year we moved in. She moved in the year that it began for us. And so that was around the time that the garden situation happened where it first turned freaky. and she said that she'd woken up with the door being kicked what felt like a full-grown man kicking the door open and scared her and she closed it and tried to go back to sleep. She said that when she told her son the next day, she had two or three sons living in the house, they laughed at her and said, don't be silly, mum, just imagining it. The next night the same thing happened to her son.

He came running in her room. The bedroom door flew open all by itself. And then the next morning, they were upstairs waking up and they heard what sounded like a car crashing into the living room downstairs. It was so tremendous. They said that it felt like the house shook. They'd go running down the stairs, not knowing what to see. And there was nothing wrong except she said that the three pictures of her three sons that were on the wall were all faces. down on the floor in the exact same position they were on the wall, except they were glass-framed

photos and there was no damage to the photos. And that's when I said, Kathy, I've never told you what happened here, have I? And I told her everything. So it was with Kathy in 2022, now that she was aware of everything that had happened here, that we were out the front of the house and we saw some glimmer shimmer shimmering lights up in the sky at a distance. But these lights, these shimmers were colors that I've never seen before. They were purples and fantastic colors and so bright and it was moving like a in a horizontal way as if it was being lit up, something that was turning. But purples and moths and all sorts of beautiful colors. And then we realized something else was there. There were several of them. There was about three or four of them,

but one was completely stationary and the lights were just shimmering around it. And then another one was moving diagonally down below it and another one or two next to it. It dawned on me that this, it was so beautiful that I said to them, record it, please. I jumped in my car and I immediately drove towards where they were. But because they started to move over the tree line, I had a decision to make. And it was either that I drove back to the field where the crematorium is so I could get a view of the entire sky

or I turn right. And by the time I drive down there, maybe they've gone out of sight because there were trees on both sides of the roads and I didn't want to mess it up. So I made that decision to go left instead of right. And by the time I jumped out the car, ran across through the hedgerows towards the field where that thing had happened with my son.

I just saw like a flash of light above the trees and there was nothing there I hung about for a long time but didn't see anything. Somebody else had taken that footage and zoomed in and it looks like a perfect silver disc, but with like a dark line along the bottom of it. But one of them is sideways and he had flipped. it this way. So to me, I mean, it was odd. It wasn't hand gliders or parachutes or planes or helicopters. So that was the last thing that I've seen. And I'm glad to say that it faded out and died away. I will say, however, that my twin brother, I've got an identical twin brother and he since has had some serious potty guy said tivity he had a pot fly across his kitchen almost hit him in the head um

since he took some stuff from this house back to his apartment his flat he's had a lot of weird stuff happening after all the weird stuff stopped here you know max you're definitely stronger as a human than i am uh you i mean you handled it way better than i would have i'd probably be still out of my mind at this point you know many years ago, I interviewed this woman. She had this Sasquatch encounter on her property. And so I was like, oh, fantastic. They'll set up an interview and chat. The Sasquatch portion of her encounter was more or less a side note. She had seen these weird lights one night. And then she had seen the craft. It's very similar to what happened to you. And as she was describing the

a Sasquatch encounter, most of the encounters she never saw the creature. It was in situations where you think she would see the creature. You know, in the middle of the day, this tree's rocking back and forth and it gets ripped out of the ground and thrown, but there's nothing there. And it's a healthy tree. Weird stuff like that. But she did see the creatures on a few occasions. But she described to me after, especially seeing these lights and this UFO thing,

all of these weird paranormal events started happening in the house. She had like these dolls above the fireplace and they would turn their heads and follow you no matter where you went in the room. There were slamming cupboards. There were stuff thrown across the room. Doors would open. She had been growled at. just weird one weird thing after another and in her situation i remember her telling me she said

i think they're following me and i said what do you mean they're following you she sent me a picture of this thing underneath her skin behind her ear and her daughter's ear by the way of what appeared to be like i don't even know how to describe it it was something underneath the skin. It was tiny, but it was definitely underneath the skin. And if my memory's right, she had one, I kind of think underneath her armpit, her daughter as well, she sent me pictures of it all. And I never posted the pictures because if I sent those pictures, I don't know that I'd want them online. And so I try to take care of eyewitnesses who come forward. But it was very compelling. all of this paranormal stuff going on in her home.

And you know, oftentimes with these UFO encounters, people will describe a loss of time. Kind of like how you were describing with your son. Yeah. That's, I wish, yeah.

And it's stranger still, I think, that I, it never even occurred to me. It was almost like a complete, the fact that it didn't occur to me that I couldn't remember us, leaving, running, getting out of there for the longest time.

But, and I never knew that there was an association. I didn't know that. And that's why it was such a helpless feeling because I, you feel so alone as well. Like, where do you turn? My brother, I remembered where and how I got connected briefly with the Society for Psychical Research, the SPR. it was actually my brother who was working as a videographer at the time

and he asked me just by chance because he became fascinated with a girlfriend he had at the time who was into a lot of the paranormal stuff he had contacted the SPR and they're like the oldest organisation in the world I think in terms of how long they've been around and he contacted them and asked if he could film some of their at conferences and they'd never done that before in the history of the organisation and they said yes

and so he'd gone down and set up the camera stuff and filmed the entire lecture by some of their and these are renowned people were talking highly distinguished scientists of all kinds of types and experts

as much as you can be in this kind of subject you know the Enfield haunting the girl in London. They made a movie based around it. Ed and Lorraine Warren. Yeah, I never saw the movie. I know the backstory though that single mother in London, she had four kids

and a lot of things going on in that home. They made a movie about the girl in London because they did visit her, but it was actually investigated fully by the Society of Psychical Research. there was a couple of guys that went in and investigated that case. And one of those guys was there when I was invited down to help my brother just be there to help him out while he filmed a lecture by Alan Murdy who was a poltergeist researcher. I forget that the guy's name. Anyway, he was in the audience and he had investigated the Envild case.

but I was overwhelmed with the need to ask questions, but I listened intently. And I remember what Alan Modi said. He had obviously his own opinion, and he said that he was of the belief that, how did he put it? He said that poltergeist activity, in his opinion, is P.K.

Or psychic kinetic energy of the living and not disembodied spirits. I didn't wish to agree with that because in effect, if that's true, what he's saying is that everything that happened in this house was me causing it or my son causing it. And I'm not willing to accept that. It just doesn't, to me, that makes no sense. And so I don't know if he's changed his opinion since. But I managed to get a hold of him as he was leaving because I needed to say to him,

because this was the point at which I had discovered it was known by others, not me. As he was leaving, I said, Alan, can I please, I need to speak to you. I wish I had time to tell him everything. But I said, for some reason, I had a really close encounter with whatever a UFO is. And the next thing I know, we have poltergeist activity and stuff in the house really bad. And he simply looked at me like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's normal. I'm like, I didn't know that. I had no idea.

And then he helped the guy that wrote the book on the Enfield case to investigate it in the 70s. He was a frail old man and he helped him into a car and off he went. But just to have him confirm that was news to me. Absolutely what is causing it. And so obviously I've thought about this many, many times. And one of, I think I said earlier, the only logical explanation that I can think of is maybe as an option is that whatever these, if it's technological, if it's technological, big if, then maybe it messes with space time. Because in order to travel without inertia and destroy whatever biological thing may or may not be in. inside of these objects and make right angle turns at thousands of miles an hour.

They can't be running without having some sort of capsule bubble to protect them from norm, the normal physics. And so if it's messing with gravity, then it must be messing with time. There is an effect on time by gravity. You know that. And time space, space time, sorry. And so maybe there's a residual effect. And that's the only, that's as close as I can get to some sort of, well, maybe that's it.

But that still doesn't explain it. So I don't know. I'm just clutching at straws. You know, with a lot of demonic encounters, you'll often hear people say, well, I was playing with a Ouija board and then all this weird stuff start happening in the home. what I will say with eyewitnesses and this UFO phenomenon, and then after that it becomes more like poltergeist and paranormal stuff going on in the home,

there's really no rhyme or reason behind it. Almost every person I've talked to, I mean, I can't think of one that told me anything different. There was nothing that really happened prior to seeing these lights or this craft and then all this stuff happening in the home. you know, you had mentioned that UFO that you saw and it was all these different colors and it looked like it had been spinning around. You know, I had seen that years ago. I was over at my mother's home and Woody was there.

Woody was actually the first one to see it. He went out to the deck for something and then he was like, hey, come check this out. And it was a little bit of a distance away. It's not like it was over the top of us. you know, I'm colorblind, so, you know, don't judge my colors that I'm telling you. But, and I wouldn't say my eyesight at distance is great. I mean, I would say it was more like a square just sitting in the sky and it was flashing different colors. Very much how you describe it. Purple, green, blue, white, I mean, red, on and on and on, really quick. And it sat there forever.

And I remember trying to get a picture of it with my iPhone and even a video, but it just kind of looked like a smudge in the sky. But it was the weirdest thing I'd ever seen. It wasn't like a dish shaped or a triangle. It was just this thing flashing these different colors up in the sky. That thing you saw in the home that you described as, you know, it was kind of transparent when your son was asleep on the couch. Would you describe, and again, I realize it was transparent, but the shape of it, did it remind you more of like a gray alien as opposed to maybe like a man figure? Yeah, that's the thing. As my little boy grew up, he was, I'll never forget, he was six years old.

Every time he came through that doorway up and beyond the age of six, it freaked me out because I kept looking at when he was. was six, it was exactly the same height as that thing. But what was odd is when I caught it and looked at it dead on, its head was typical, like you said, a gray alien stuff, its shape, its head was too big. Its body was scrawny and skinny. It had a skinny little arm because if, as you can see me, it was as if it was half in the door, right? So I saw it, its head was doing this, like it was looking peeking around the corner. So I saw its head, big head, and a scrawny, skinny little shoulder and arm

and part of his leg. But I didn't look down at the ground. Just as a whole, it was obviously not. It didn't make sense that it wasn't a proper human shape. It was odd. The thing is, I really did. I was broken at that point. I really was.

And it, man, it bothered me. so beyond words I couldn't it was weird that we didn't talk about it when we were going through all of this it's not like we sat down and talked about it it's the denial aspect

kicks in really hard because you have to get you're trying to survive through it but at the same time I felt so broken and so it wasn't it was horrific And so over the years, I came to the point where I tried to speak to Hannah once about it

and I would have a trauma response. I mean, literally, I'd start shaking the tingles, the hair on the back of the neck. I would get hyper messed up trying to speak about it. So she said to me, you need to see someone to speak to the doctor maybe. and there was no way I was going to go and tell a doctor who would just laugh me out the office. There was no way. And so it was at that point that I looked up and found Mufon. And I'm, I can't remember what I did.

I must have made a proper report of some part of it. And I get a phone call from the director of UK Mufon, which was a guy called Jack Turnbull. And I remember that phone. phone call because I just broke down. He started talking to me about Mary Magdalene and about religious stuff. And I didn't expect that. We spoke for a long time. And I'm trying to, he was talking about the Maginot, not the Maginot Line.

He was talking, he spoke a lot about religious stuff instead of everything else. I'll never forget. He told me to stay off social media and not to talk about it. But the thing is, I went on by mistake to speak to some people online. And the next thing I know, it was like so cathartic to be able to speak about it and speak about it until it was off. With every time I went over it and over it, I was able to feel a little less messed up over it. I've never had therapy in my life, but it was like therapy. And so over many, many occasions, over a period of time,

I felt to the point where even though now I feel shaky now, talking to you about it, I'm not getting the tingles. I'm not getting teary, idle, emotional. I can talk about it even though I'm a bit shaky. But back then, man, it messed me up. And like I say, I couldn't sleep in this house. as a grown man, I was literally constantly looking over my shoulder, constantly waking up out of my sleep,

like looking around in the room, constantly. And I'm a grown man and I couldn't sleep on my own home. I felt like I couldn't protect my kids, my girlfriend. It just was horrible. But I've grown from it and I've learned from it. And I think I've grown definitely stronger from it. but I wouldn't wish it on anybody. I mean, it's all very nice seeing these objects.

They are great. But once it turns the way it did, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy because it will break you mentally. I was at the borderline. The point I ran to the cathedral, man, I was, oh, man, I was close to,

I just couldn't handle it anymore. I almost forgot. something because we had the Halloween thing here which is I've got video footage of it on the CCTV campus so

it was Halloween this year so I was just in the garden and we were going to have a big party a Halloween party and I bought some really cool stuff so I was sorting the garden out we were running out of time before everybody

was going to arrive and just again just like every time before for no known reason i just happen to look up up while i'm busy and immediately see one of these amber fiery balls of light which is just above the roofline not high it's only what is that maybe 55 60 feet up at most right and it's just silent but it's just over Kathy's roof next door neighbor and it kind of moves but this time it looked more energetic than ones I'd seen previously it was like a almost like a Catherine wheel of and it moved really odd and then moved and speeded up and sped up and went over the trees and I was so busy and so

stressed about trying to get the garden ready and Hannah was trying to get her costume on and so I was like okay I literally didn't pay any attention I just thought oh that was one of those things and we got so drunk that night and had such a good night that I forgot all of I didn't forget about it but I remember taking a mental note I'm going to have to check the cameras

because I'd recently put a camera a really good camera at the front of the house I was at the back of the house so I knew I had hoped that I'd caught it coming from the front which is the direction it traveled from. And it was two days before I suddenly remembered, oh, yeah, I better go check the cameras. So I took it back to that point in time.

And lo and behold, from the front of the house where the moon, it was very cloudy. So you see it kind of materialize in a way or it's been sitting there. It's hard to no distance because it was as if it was within the clouds because it becomes clear that it's sitting there beside the moon behind the clouds and then it moves up and does what they always do it.

They move in strange ways, don't they kind of in a ghostly fashion? But on the cameras, which are full-night vision, sorry, full-color night vision, everything looks perfectly normal-colored, and yet this thing looks pure white. And it moves up and clearly comes

rapidly towards the house because it was so far away when it first appears out of frame and then you see it drop down over the roof line. So what's weird about that is that on camera it's white. But when I saw it, it was amber and it was almost like a, hey, look at me, make itself all fiery and red, sorry, orange

so that you know, you can't kind of ignore it. So that's the first time. I've seen one of them for a while, but I've got it on camera. So I'll send you the footage, if you like, but it's pretty damn clear because it's a high-quality camera. Yeah, please send it to me, along with any other pictures or videos that you have. And if I don't have them in time of the show, I will update the episode page with those pictures and videos. You know, many years ago, I spoke with a gentleman by the name of John Edmonds. and he owned this ranch in Arizona called the Stardust Ranch.

And I became so enamored with this, his whole situation and what was going on there. And it's very similar to the stuff you're talking about. It all started with crafts and these weird lights. And then all of a sudden it was like poltergeist activity in his home. A lot of really weird things happened in that home. And if my memory is right, I think John was a doctor in his wife. was a a psychologist very high up. John would talk about these creatures being in his home. And there was one interview that he did. He was streaming online. He was doing this interview.

And behind him, I mean, it looks like a great alien popped his head around the corner. I don't like how you're describing it. And people online were freaking out. And John hadn't seen it because he had his back to this figure. But I would describe it like a gray alien. This is all before like AI or anything like that. The crazy part about John, and I don't even want to say the crazy part, because it sounds like something I would do,

his whole home was built out of brick. His walls were all brick. So he knew that he couldn't open fire in the home because, you know, one of those bullets might stray or go another direction once it hits that brick. And he bought this samurai sword. And he started killing these things with a samurai sword. And what he would say is they would vanish the moment he hit him with the sword.

And he showed a sword one time. And it looked like there was dry blood and biological material all that had dried on this sword. And he just started killing these things a moment he, hot wind of them or had a feeling that they were in the home. So I always said that was odd because what he would hit with the sword was physical for a moment and then it was gone. And I remember begging Tony Merkel to interview John and Tony ended up interviewing him. I was like, well, I got a big foot show. Everyone's going to freak out if I interviewed this guy. But I believe him. I actually believe what he said happened there, happened there. And he wasn't

the only one. There was many people who visited that ranch that had these experiences there of seeing these grays, a lot of paranormal activity, UFOs, weird lights flying around. And you know, when you talk to that gentleman at Mufon, you'd mentioned he brought up religion, which kind of shocked you. And I could understand why. One thing you'll find in a lot of these alien and encounters is when people cry out in the name of Jesus Christ, it stops. Whatever they are, they scatter. And people can roll their eyes all they want while listening to this, but I'm telling you it goes on.

If these sayings are aliens from far, far away, why would they care about the name Jesus Christ? Why would it matter? But what's kind of your thoughts on God? Well, that's one of the, yeah, so I've never counted myself as being, I would say, agnostic, but in the best way. What do I mean by that? So my grandmother, my great-grandmother, I would go to Sunday school a couple of times just out of interest. and she would take me to church, to her church,

and I went because out of respect for her and love for her. And then I went to Buddhism classes with my best friend at one point from Sri Lanka. And I found, I used to, my own twin brother didn't know this, but when I was a little kid between five and ten, because we moved back to London when we were five. when I was alone, I would actually, I would pray and feel a bit of a presence, so I believed that I was being heard. And I only just told my brother that, and he didn't know that a couple of years ago.

And he was like, really? You never told me that before. I was like, well, why would I? It was something really personal to me because I just believed, or at least as a child, I used to like to believe that pure goodness exists. And there was an instant where I felt like a prayer had been answered because there was a magazine competition, a magazine called Lookin in, what, 1988 or something, 89.

And there was one Nintendo to be won, and it was a brand new thing at the time. And I entered the competition. and then I told my mother because I knew, I knew that I'd won it. And she said, don't be silly dear. Thousands, hundreds of thousands of kids throughout the country must have applied for that. And I came back from school one day and as soon as she opened the door, she looked at me and I said, it's here, isn't it? And it freaks her out that I knew.

I didn't, it wasn't a guess, I knew. And she said, go and get changed, come downstairs and there's something in the cupboard for you. And I already knew. So little things like that would have. happen but I I never cast myself as being particularly religious but agnostic and I wanted to believe that good true good exists and and um like I said I've never been a practicing Christian and I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket but I like to believe it's it's true and what happened that night on the So far, I did.

It's funny, I've heard somebody else say something like this where in our darkest of times, even the most staunchest atheist will probably cry out to God when he thinks it's the moment that his life ends. And I certainly did. And I didn't know, again, this was something that freaked me out because, as you've said this, I didn't know for the longest time before I heard randomly somebody say that to me. And it chilled, put chills in me because that's exactly what I did and then was somehow able to put myself back to sleep. So with the religion, there was another element to this was that it's tricky to word it. but I think the effect of all of this happening is I'd had the realize obviously the realization

that there's more to life than just this physical material world that we see around us from our experiences, whatever it is. And I feel blessed to have been challenged by it and I've grown from it and I've faced it full on, head on. I had no choice, but I definitely have learned from then. And what started to happen for a couple of weeks, and I can't place the date on this, I woke up one morning with that presence in the room, but it wasn't dark. It was a beautiful feeling of being watched, but it was upon waking up one morning. And I had, oh God, it's really tricky to even hear myself say this.

Because I've only ever, I've told my girlfriend this, obviously, at the time, I had to tell her because it was so strange, but beautiful. I had a feeling as if I was being given a message by something beautiful that was watching, that's always watching, and even can read your mind, your thoughts, your feelings, your intent, everything. So what are you called at? An angel.

And the message was that there is no better way or no other way to measure a person's soul other than to a selfless act of kindness and particular towards strangers and that I was going to be potentially tested and that I may potentially have to risk everything,

my life, if necessary, to save a stranger if necessary. And I felt this feeling like it was going to be imminent. Whatever I do, I'm being watched now, and I have to prove my worth. I think it's obvious that anybody can be kind and giving and caring and loving towards their loved ones. we you know that's a given that's normal but the real measure of a man's heart or woman's heart the real measure is what will you be willing to sacrifice unconditionally for someone you

don't know and if there's any other way I don't know of it that's the only way to know and I was looking out for things um anyway I started taking food to the homeless and it really opened my eyes. It faded out after a couple of weeks, but I felt like I was being watched for the purpose of judgment. It was so beautiful and yet, and changing and eye-opening

because I really truly believe that that's the way we should always behave. And so when you look at the opposite, and this is where it gets into the question of God and religion, because of course, men have used, religion and twisted it into their own cause for power, control. But actually, the messages and the stories that are within are meant to be nothing but positive. And all that really matters is if you took every soul on planet Earth and you have a balance of

power between all of the acts of kindness, of unconditional kindness and sacrifice, and all of the acts counter to that of selfishness, ignorance, bliss, but selfishness, ego, and evil acts. When you add all that up, that's the struggle, right? Eight billion souls. How many people are willing to self-sacrifice? I don't think there's enough. There's too much selfishness in the world and not enough righteousness. So it definitely has made me always aware of that, that everything you ever do, every interaction with

everyone you encounter throughout your day, make sure that you try to spread more kindness and pleasure and happiness than you do pain and suffering. And we're divided at the easiest thing from wherever we're from, class, creed, color, whatever. And we should try not to be. Because if there is a judgment at the end what if there's a judgment during your time here and no no one can guarantee their time but um i've just recognized through all of this how important that is to me um so uh yeah i really appreciate sharing that max and i agree with you i think um religion is corrupt I follow no man and I attend no church. You know, on a member show, I talked about coming across this entity in this home,

and I felt like it was demonic. Whatever it was, it hated my guts. And if it could kill me, it would have. And I was proven true to my intuition later on, finding out what actually happened in that home, and people were hurt. But it was around this time where I was trying to figure out who God was. And I'm stubborn. I've never found God in church, but I was searching.

And what I will say in that encounter with this thing inches from my face. And again, I didn't see it. I kind of got a weird feeling like it wasn't allowed to touch me or harm me. And not because I'm anyone special for the. that it had anything to do with me. It was because of who was with me. Keep searching for God. Keep asking.

And I can assure you, you won't find him, but he'll find you. And when he shows up, you'll realize the best you deserve is judgment. But that's not how he shows up. He shows up in love. that you don't deserve. And later you'll realize

he was always there. But don't take my word for it for anyone else's. If I could grab people and force them to walk on my path, I would. But it doesn't work that way. I really appreciate you coming on, Max,

and sharing what happened to you. I know, and I really do appreciate supporting what I do as a member and when he came on the live show I was like I really got to chat with this guy and I've enjoyed every moment of it thank you so much for taking the time no I can't thank you enough

it's I've so much respect for your words like I said previously I spent maybe I don't know how many hundreds of thousands of people are listening doing the same every night I'll pop a near piece in and I'll listen to an episode to 4 asleep to, but I always make sure I complete the episode, whether it's the next night,

because for some reason, it helps, as you just said, to know that other people are going through these, you know, not the similar experiences. And to share helps other people, because all the people that have spoken to you and your own encounter has helped me deal with what happened to me. Like you said, it's a problem shared as a problem. halved, it's good to know. And it's great to know that you're out there. What you do is fantastic. You're helping people, man, and that matters a lot. So thank you. Thanks so much, Max. It means a lot. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance,

check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.