Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1235 Strange Kansas

Episode Date: March 1, 2026

Tonight, we'll be talking with Arkey from Kansas, who experienced several encounters with these creatures during the 1980s. He'll also share details about a much more recent incident, when he was fishing and found himself roughly 70 feet away from one of these beings, describing a very unusual interaction. We'll also hear from Will, also from Kansas, who witnessed one of these creatures cross directly in front of his vehicle. Just before that sighting, he recalls noticing something strange moving in the sky.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What's what you're putting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot. About six foot nine, I don't know. Is he a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in he.

This is Robo Bobo from Bigfoot and Beyond, and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be speaking with R.K., who is from Kansas. And growing up, he had a few run-ins with these creatures, and we're going back to the 80s. He didn't really know what they were, or what he had actually seen at the time. But he had a very recent encounter when he was out fishing. and found himself about 70 feet away from one of these creatures. He describes a very strange interaction he had.

And then we'll wrap up with Will, who is also from Kansas, and he witnessed this creature crossing directly in front of his vehicle. Just before that sighting, he recall seeing something strange in the sky, and I'll let Will go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome RKK to the show. RK., thanks for coming on. Glad to be here. Yeah, I'm glad to have you, RK, and normally ask people, you know, what did you think about Bigfoot prior to the siding? but you had a lot of weird things happen when you were growing up. And I know we're going back to the 80s. And this takes place in Kansas. Before we get to the main incident,

tell me about some of these other weird things that happened to you. My first encounter was back around 77, but it was out of my dad's farm with my brother deer hunting. And I saw someone about 300 yards away, saw as a man in a gilly suit. And I looked at him through my sky. scope and, you know, I had no intention to pull the trigger because, you know, I thought it was a man in a gilly suit, but then I got to look at him through the scope, and I'm like, that's too large to be a man.

I wonder what that is. I was young then. I was 17, so, you know, I hadn't heard that much about Bigfoot or anything at that time. And when my brother went over there, he found footprints in the dust, and he said that they was about 16 to 18 inches long because we didn't have a tape measure. But we measured the tree he was standing by, and he had to be at least 10 foot tall. And we said, that was no man in a gilly suit. And that was a real brief encounter. It probably lasted maybe 20 seconds, 30 seconds. But we heard some strange noises in the timber that day.

And what I know now is probably what, as Sasquots calls, you know, a lot like what, I know who Bobo is, Bobo Faye from finding Bigfoot. a lot like what he does on there. A couple of them was like what Cliff does, those quick chirping sounds like Cliff makes. And I know the call that Bobo does. I don't know that I know the one that Cliff does. The noises that you heard,

were they after you saw this thing? Yeah, after we saw it, yeah. And I know this thing is like several hundred yards away and you're trying to look at it through a scope. And what was that conversation like with your brother and then what was the conversation like afterwards when you guys walked over there

and you're finding these tracks? Well, he was at another hunting blind at the time I saw this and when he came over to join me for lunch he was telling me about the sounds that he'd been hearing over his blind and I told him what I saw and I was like back then

people didn't talk about it because he was either seeing things or on some kind of drugs or something and just didn't talk much about it except for I told him what I saw and he went over to check it out. Do you think that the creature was aware that you were there? Looking back at it, I don't think he did, but, you know, these things are more aware than what we are. They're more aware of their surroundings, I'm quite sure.

Yeah, it could be. Tell me, leading up to this main encounter, had anything else happened to you when you've been out there? Well, I had two others before I had this one because I had one, I was out in western Kansas up around Norton. That's the northwest corner of the state of Kansas. I was coming back from Hayes and the driver of the car and the front passenger was pointing to something on the driver's side of the road, and they pulled over to look at it. So I turned naturally to look to see what they was looking at. and I seen this creature dragging a Jersey cow by his hind leg

and he stepped behind one of those big round hay bales but you can still see him over the top of the hay bale they'd stopped and pulled alongside the road and was setting their pointing at it and after it kind of disappeared into the timber the driver turned around and looked at me and says you didn't see that did you? Like we're not going to tell anybody if you don't tell anybody type thing

I said I didn't see anything if you didn't see anything he said that's a good answer the second encounter I was down at Pomona Lake and it was like 1 o'clock in the morning was out there fishing and I felt like something was

near you know I just had that feeling because I'm a hunter and you know out in the outdoors a lot and I just had this feeling that something wasn't quite calm and I stood up to look around and there was a street light about 100, 150 yards away.

So I had a little back illumination. And I've seen this big shadow move about 20 feet from me and just basically walk across my field of view. And he didn't stop. He didn't look around. He was like he was on a mission or something. And I know these are very brief encounters. Even the one that you saw that you thought was a huge guy in a gilly suit.

You know, at the time, I know it's back in the. the 70s and 80s, but what did you think you were looking at? What did you think that they were? Well, back in the 70s and 80s, I, you know, I wasn't sure. I mean, like I said,

back then, you didn't hear too much about Bigfoot or Sasquatch because people didn't want to talk about it because you know, people thought you was crazy if you'd seen something. But the last three all took place

here in the state of Kansas in the in the 2000s the one out of Norden was in 22 and then I had one on October the 14th of 26

or 25 excuse me that was the one out of Pomona and I had the big one that everybody's talking about out of Clinton Lake in September the 13th of 25 yeah and I know the most recent one, Sibbilla Irwin

did a drawing of what you saw and I'll post it underneath this episode. But if you would take me back to 2025, what were you doing? And what happened? What did you end up seeing? Well, it started out that we, me and my

fishing partner was dropped off because his, his girlfriend had to go to work in Lawrence. And so we was out there with the two pit bulls and we was out fishing on that Bloomington East Courtesy Dock there at Clinton Lake, right after sundown, which was like 7.30, I think it was. I usually give Sasquot's calls just to see if we can get any kind of response.

You know, sometimes I get a Sasquatch, sometimes I get coyotes, sometimes I get owls, and there's other times it just goes dead quiet. But after I gave my call, we got a very faint response. So I gave another call and got a response to that. went silent. I mean, everything went silent. You can't hear the geese or anything. And about 20 minutes later, there was a couple of rocks splashed down beside the dock beside us. And they were pretty good-sized splashes. So pretty good-sized rocks, I'm estimating. So we turned to the parking lot to see what or who might have threw the rocks, because we thought maybe someone was up there

screwing with us. And we've seen the eye shine. And my fishing partner said, I'm going to stay here with the dogs because I told him I was going to go up and check it out. And I had my machete with me just in case it was something that, you know, I might need to defend myself from. And when I got up to the parking lot, these eyes shine kept backing up a ways. And we finally got to a point where he was about 70 feet apart. And he stopped and I stopped. And we sat there and exchanged grunts for about, I'm guessing, 20 to 30 minutes.

the whole thing took place over about a 40 minute period of time but some of his grunts were real quick grunts like some of them were real long like but none of them felt threatening or dangerous and I put my machete away and he lowered his shoulders and we just kind of sat there and grunting back and forth at each other for about 20 minutes 20 maybe 30 minutes you know I wasn't watching

watching my watch. And yeah, and stuff like that goes on, sometimes it just seems like it's taking longer and it is. I got a bite on one of my fishing poles and the bell rang. So I turned to look to see

what my fishing pole was doing. And when I turned back around, he started walking away. And as he walked away, he was letting out a real soft whistling sound. So, Arcade, do you,

when you walk up, do you see the creature? And then you start grunting? or it starts grunting and you're mimicking it? Yeah. After we got within like, we started grunting probably before I was at 70 feet, but right around the 70 footmark,

I came to a stop and he stopped. And, you know, if I moved to my right, he'd move to his left to mimic my moves. And if I step forward, he'd step backwards. And if I step backwards, he'd step forward, you know, just totally mimicking my moves. And then like I said, we grunted, each other, mimicking each other's grunts.

I was definitely close enough to tell that this wasn't a man and no costume or no bear or anything like that. There's no bears in this part of Kansas. And I'll post the artwork or the drawing that Cibilla Irwin did of what

you saw that day. And it'll be underneath this episode. But for the audience, would you describe what you were seeing? Well, this guy was we measured him out because he was standing right beside his side of tree was able to measure him to a branch.

We measured him out at eight foot, three inches tall. And we estimate between 1100 and 1,200 pounds. He had a, his fur was like two to four inches long, different lengths in different places. But it was kind of like the color of a timber wolf, you know, the salt and pepper, the grays and browns and different shades. But it was like a timber wolf's coat. If anybody knows what a timber coat or timber wolf looks like, they'd have an idea what I'm talking about. It wasn't black or anything like that.

Real broad shoulders, we guesstimate four to five foot shoulders, arms down almost to his knees. He kind of stood in a, not a crouch, but a little slouch, you know. Kind of like, you know what a groucho walk is or a groucho stands like the police use? That's kind of how he was standing like he was ready to. respond and if something went down but definitely seen muscular his chest muscles and everything it was warm enough i couldn't you know it was like 55 60 degrees out there that day so he wasn't couldn't see his breath but you can see his chest rising and falling as he breathed and

lips moving and got a real good look at him like i described it to a lot of other people uh the artist's rendition she uh finally got it right when i told her that his nose looked more like Morgan Freeman's those than an age knows like everybody thinks they do. He was a lot more human looking than I thought he was. He looked more like a caveman than an ape. Definitely larger than a human, but like I said, a lot of proportions were similar to humans. He had the big brow ridge like the Neanderthals, you know, a conical shaped head like a gorilla. But like I said, most of his features was like a.

a human. He had no facial hair. His skin tone was like someone that had a real good tan with maybe a little bit of ash color to it. Eyebrows, deep-set eyes. And the only reason his eyes glowed was, I'm pretty sure, it was just because of my headlamp that I had on. Did you notice at any point during this encounter? Did his expressions change at all? I didn't notice him that much. I was more concerned about watching what? He was. He was, He was doing like, he got kind of keeping an eye on his arms and his legs. Because I knew as close as we were if he decided to do something, there wasn't much I was going to be able to do about it anyway.

But I wanted to be at least be able to react. People say, well, you was either really brave to go up there or crazy. And I said, well, maybe I was crazy, stupid brave. But I was more curious and I think he was more curious about me. Yeah, I know everyone reacts different. I don't know that I would have reacted the way. you did. Did it not concern you at all? You know, 70 feet sounds like a long distance away, but you blink in this thing's on top of you. Did it concern you at all being this close and

interacting? No, not really, because like I said, I didn't feel threatened, but everybody says, well, well, you didn't feel threatened up there? And I'm, well, I've been in a lot of situations when I was in the Navy. And, you know, I face danger. And I've looked at down the gun barrel. and I just didn't feel any of that threat. I was in the moment and I didn't have that flight mode. Well, you're definitely a stronger man than I am. I must be a weak man. You know when I was a bouncer, I've had guns pulled on me on two occasions,

and I could tell you every detail about both of those guns, including the barrel. And I'm sure those two men could probably do the same as they look down my barrel and that's not provado, that's just self-preservation. But, you know, I was scared. I mean, you know, I think shooting someone would be the worst day of my life, in my heart anyway, especially over nothing, words, hot air. But, you know, I was scared. Sasquatch, on the other hand, terrified me.

And maybe I'm just a weak man, but the overall size of it, I mean, I could have, and I was armed at the time, I could have shot this thing, emptied the cleft. it would have smiled and just kept coming. There had been nothing I could have done to stop it. Having said all that, though, you know, this grunting, over the years I've heard that and I've kind of come to the conclusion of my opinion anyway, that that grunting is an acknowledgement. I know some people it comes across as being aggressive.

I don't think that's meant to be aggressive. Still would have scared me. At no point during this whole time, did he get frustrated that you were mimicking him? He didn't seem to be agitated to me. He seemed very relaxing. Like I said, once I put my machete away in his sheath, he lowered his shoulders and his facial expressions. That's the one time I did notice him. He seems to relax.

So I think he realized that I wasn't there to hurt him. And I was hoping that he wasn't there to hurt me. I think the worst thing anybody can do is to actually turn around and run from them because they're a predator. That's going to trigger an attack response. I think for normal predators, I would agree with you on that. Sasquatch, on the other hand, doesn't behave like a normal predator to where they'll run into that chase response if you take off running.

I still wouldn't, I'm with you on it, though. I still wouldn't recommend anyone take off running. Have ever gone back? Oh yeah, I went back here. I was back here for the next three months almost every night because she was going to Lawrence to work. And I was watching the dogs. And that was a great way to do it because I loved to fish. And it didn't bother me.

When I was out there, I'd hear him back there because when he walked by, he let out a holler and just keep going. And if I caught a couple, two or three fish, I'd leave him one up there by the tree where we originally had our, counter and I'd hear him in the in the brush behind there and I'd occasionally I'd say this is for you my friend and then I'd just turn around and walk away after I laid the fish down. I get the obsession of wanting to go back. Did you, was it mainly vocalizations? Is that where you're hearing? Or did you ever see him again?

Since that time, mostly just vocal. I've seen movement that I thought was him, but I couldn't be 100% sure. I wouldn't even say I was 80% sure it was him, but I've seen movement that I thought might have been him. You know, I've heard many accounts of them grunting. There's one in particular, I can think of, where it was a hunter. I want to say he was in Virginia, somewhere on the East Coast. And this thing was, there was two of them. And the one that started grunting, he shot it.

And even through his encounter, I didn't think that it was really being aggressive with him. and like I said, I'm kind of convinced that it's more of an acknowledgement type vocalization that they do when they grunt. What do you make of that behavior? Have you going down there and this thing starts grunting and you start mimicking it?

And it kind of hangs around. Well, I thought it was educational because I got to see really what he looked like and how he responded. And, you know, for a long time I've known that they're not the monsters we humans make them out to be.

I don't really think us humans are more monsters than the bigfords are. Yeah, I don't think that there's a killing machines that some people think they are. But I think if you push your luck, you'll find a healing machine pretty quick. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? I mean, you've got a really good look at this thing. an offshoot of the human chain maybe maybe across between you know something

along the evolutionary chain between an ape and a human I mean he walks up right he's got a fur coat everybody refers to him as a hominid but I said he looked more human than ape to me but other than his size and I know that hominids actually do cover humans So kind of what you were thinking it was more human-like,

especially in the face and everything that you saw that day, it would be much easier to catch an animal than a human. Why do you think it's so difficult? Why do you think no one's caught up with them? I think they're smarter than we are. But if you go back in time, the Native Americans, a lot of the Native Americans said they used to sit down and be outside their circle when they had powwows

and they would communicate with them. They had a running dialogue with them, like they would trade goods with them. Sasquots would bring them things. And, you know, even the, I believe it was the Pottawatomie tribe had here in this location, had a chief. His name, they call him Chief Bigfoot, but I forget what his real name was. And La Cota Sioux had one they called Chief Bigfoot too.

So, you know, they go back and they say the Native Americans have, interactions with them for thousands of years. I forget which one it is. I think it's the Navajo believe that he is a dimension shifter, that he's a spirit walker. But I've been doing a lot of research into it over the years, and I'm not sure because I have had times when I found footprints that I knew was a Sasquatch,

and I'd be following and try to see if I could figure out where he's going. and it'd be in the snow and they'd go out onto this lake and then just disappear. There'll be no forwarding tracks, no backtracking. If he'd backtracked, he was a hell of a good backtracker and stepped in the same exact spots.

And I've been tracking a lot of animals and I didn't see any sign of backtracking. But it just seemed like he just disappeared in the bloodhounds we had looking for him. They just got to that spot and circled and stopped. They're like, where do you go? Yeah, I've heard of accounts like that, and I've actually seen pictures to where I had no explanation, where it went or, like you said, it looked like the tracks just stopped. And I know you've been a hunter most of your life. I wanted to ask you, you know, on the show we talk about balls of light.

Sometimes they make an appearance in people's encounters. Sometimes it, you know, has nothing to do with Bigfoot. They just see these weird balls of light. Out of all these years of being out there and hunting. Have you ever seen anything like that in the forest? I've seen balls of light, but I've never seen them that I know of anyway in conjunction with the Sasquatch. But I've heard people say that they have that they've seen Sasquatches with balls of lights around them or they disappear into a ball of light. I've also seen them, had people say that they've seen them walk into oak trees and disappear. Tell me about the time he saw the lights. well, I was up in my dad's farm, was out one night coon hunting.

And, you know, we're just walking through the timber trying to chase down the coon dogs to see if they've got anything. And these balls of light just kind of drifted across in front of us. And me and the guy I was hunting with was like, did I really see what I think I saw? And he said, yeah, you saw what I thought I saw. And we started describing what we saw. And it was like, yeah, a few minutes later, it comes drifting right back. by.

It was like there was no win that night that I can recall. And even if it was, he would have been going against the wind at one point. But it was a ball of light about maybe larger to basketball, a little bit larger in a basketball, kind of a bluish white light. He said he thought he saw it flickering, but I didn't recall seeing a flicker.

But, you know, according to the Native Americans, those balls of lights are willowisks or something like that that the four spirits? Yeah, it seems throughout history and through different civilizations, they all have kind of a theory or opinion on what they are. And the Native Americans, it depends on the tribe you talk to,

they'll give you a different story on what it is. And it makes you wonder, I've heard spirits too. Some of the Native Americans will actually call them water spirits. And it's weird. You know, it's one of those weird. things out there that no one really has an answer for. And I'll post this picture that Cibilla Irwin did of the creature that you saw underneath this episode. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. I've enjoyed chatting with you. All right. I sure enjoyed it.

And like said, if you have any other questions, I've got pictures of the scene if you wanted me to send them to you. Yeah, please send them over. And thank you again, RK. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Will. Will, thanks for being here. Thank you, Wes. I appreciate it. Yeah, and you had this very strange encounter. It involved more than just a creature.

I know it takes place in Kansas, and it's a relatively recent encounter. How many years are we going back? That would be six years. Well, almost six years. It was in the September to November timeframe. up that year. I don't remember exactly. Well, if you would, would you

start from the very beginning? What were you doing? And what happened? Yeah, so I was a route driver for a beverage distributor in Lawrence, Kansas at the time. I lived about four or five miles from the University of Kansas. And yeah, so at that point, I was driving to work,

which was exactly 3.3 miles. I had to look on the GPS the other day. It was over three miles from University of Kansas. And I was just driving into work because about two, three in the morning. Sometimes I get nervous thinking about it because it's just, it's very surreal. So I was heading to work. And I remember the road I was on was called North 1800 Road. In Kansas, there are roads that are numbered, like north 1,800.

They don't have names. And a lot of the roads will not have names. when you're in the countryside. And I Tulsa, not Tulsa, Topeka, Kansas was to my west. And I was heading eastbound into Lawrence. And I remember that specifically because as I had turned on the road, there was some heat lightning in the sky. And I saw some flashes in the sky.

And it was beautiful, some yellow, orange heat lightning behind me. I could see it in my rear view. And I'm driving into work. And I'm looking over and I see this bright, bright neon blue flash in the sky. And I knew it wasn't lightning. It wasn't heat lightning. And it was in the clouds. It was like, if I could explain it in a way, the cloud was lightning.

I don't know how to explain it. It looked like almost as if the clouds were masking or there was a shielding. device. So what I was seeing was the UFO in the sky. And it looked like it was trying to be like a cloud. Almost like the Predator movie where it's got the

film over it, it's translucent. But I can see the outline of like a, I want to say mothership was a big, big UFO. I would give us, I don't know how to scale it. It was just, it was massive. And I put two and two together

that that flash was the UFO. in the sky. And about 20, 30 seconds after I see that flash, this dog man runs. So I'm driving on a linear road. There's no curves,

nothing dead straightaway. And flat as can be, they just mowed down the field was mowed down from the corn. And so it ran out in front of me. I couldn't obviously believe my eyes. And in one

stride this this dog man from from running out of the fields in one step and that was a sprinting step it was one one sprint its right foot was on the double yellow line and it left it was all like one motion it was so unnatural so it leapt from the the field to the yellow line up into a tree on my right and the other thing about kansas is a lot of times the trees are far from the road, but this one was right near a little stream because there's a little lake on the other side of the field. And it jumped into this tree right over this creek and it turned around in one motion. It jumped up. It spun around and looked at me and it was crouched.

It was so crazy how it just jumped in this tree, this tree limb was probably 20 feet in there. and it must have been going 60, 65 miles per hour. It was so fast at crossroads so fast. I imagine I was going faster than my car. I was going about 55. It had to be able going faster than my vehicle. And it just looked at me and it was pretty terrifying. Yeah, sounds like it.

And I want to come back to that thing you saw in the sky prior to seeing this creature. would you for the audience would you describe what you saw my the only way I can describe it is Google the Amarillo Zoo preacher that picture came out after my citing that it looks exactly like the Amarillo Zoo if you type in the Emerilow Zoo animal they're trying to figure out what it was outside the Amarillo Zoo in Texas it looks exactly like that, like to the T. Skinny, skinny, it was not super jacked and muscular.

I say maybe seven and a half, eight feet tall. I was driving a Chevy Suburban, 1998 Chevy Suburban at the time, and I would imagine it had to be at least a foot and a half taller than my suburban, maybe two feet taller than my suburban.

And it had long arms. arms went down about knee length and it had the almost like goat hinges at the feet very unnatural and it bent backwards almost like an L at the ankles very fine scraggly fur like hair it wasn't like a fur it's like a hair kind of matted looking it was gray and it had like a grayish skin A grayish black skin almost like gray paint, like milky, milky kind of color to it.

And mind you, this is in the flash of a second, but I had my high beams on because there's, there's no lights out there. Other than the heat lightning and the flash of UFO, that was it. You know, it was pitch black out there. But I was able to see it all in my headlights. And it, you know, it, it was not menacing.

in appearance I mean when it it hopped up and spun around and looked at me from the tree limb like obviously I was terrified but it looked right at me we locked eyes

and I couldn't see an eye color or anything by the time I'm just seeing it in the trees and it's still like barely in front of me so a little bit of his face is illuminated but you know because I'm about passing it at that point but I

I couldn't see what eye color there was no eye shine you know my lights weren't directly in its face either like you know head on so I don't know if that changes anything I'm not familiar with wildlife

so but yeah it just it looked at me it was looking right at me in my face yeah and I know all this is happening you know within seconds I'm sure it felt like years and everyone's kind of heard about Bigfoot

maybe not so much dogmen, maybe nowadays they have. What did you think it was? So, I had actually been interested in Sasquatch and Dogman, well, initially Sasquatch.

So I had seen a documentary about, you know, the Patterson, Patterson Gimlin film. I've seen that as a child. And, you know, I had some other stuff happened in North Carolina that I had, like, looking back, I was like, oh, that could have been,

a big foot, but to keep on the dog man thing. You know, I was, I was familiar, but I wasn't not familiar with Dogman at that time until, um, you know, maybe shortly before this encounter, which is kind of ironic is I just, you know,

kind of got more fascinated. I think I'd discovered your podcast around the time. Um, or shortly after, I don't remember, but I was, you know, as a truck driver,

as a route driver, I'm constantly driving. So I'm, you know, looking for new. podcasts all of the time. So a long story short, I'd through the Great Vine and through, you know, TV and other, you know, like shows like terror in the woods and other things, um, uh, was quite familiar

that they do exist. I gotcha. So you kind of knew what it was. It's a lot different seeing it in person, though, I would imagine. I've never seen a dog man, but I've heard enough encounters to where I'm convinced it's out there. can we back up for a moment that thing you saw in the sky

would you describe it yeah so I knew immediately there was an object in the sky it was round it wasn't almost like an oval cut on a diamond it looks like if you

chop off the top of an NFL stadium like the round like an oval shaped NFL stadium that's what it looked like is more oval it was definitely not circular it was oval shape. And I couldn't see like the depth of it. And so to speak as how, you know, how tall it might have been.

I just thought it was quite long. You know, when it's that high in the sky, I don't have any field of reference. But it wasn't high enough. Like it wasn't a thousand feet in the air. It was, it was far less than that. Like it looked like it was sitting beneath the clouds and trying to mask itself with the clouds. Yeah, it was. Maybe it's more than a thousand feet.

I don't know how high, you know, how high clouds sit. I'm sorry, that sounds extremely ignorant. But, you know, if anyone's familiar with how high up, you know, where cloud level starts, you know, I know clouds can height can differ when there's storms in the area, but it was just heat lightning. There wasn't, you know, any rain or anything. I don't know. It was definitely larger than a football field.

But I wouldn't say much larger. if you're going to say like lengthwise probably probably just thought long as long as the football field yeah you know it's interesting it reminds me of what Lestrade told me he saw when he was filming Survivor Man

even your description's kind of like what he saw and the size he told me it was just huge the flashes of light were they coming out of the UFO no so there's lightning behind me which was yellowish, orange in color. But this lightning was directly in front of me.

So there's heat lightning to my west, of course, Topeka, because Topeka was due west of me, like immediately due west. And then I was heading directly eastbound, and it was front and left of me. So I don't know if that'd be like north and northeast, northwest, whatever. Whatever was. It was definitely not lightning. Because I could see the outline.

Like it wasn't just lightning. I could see the UFO light up. But there was only that one bright. And it wasn't persistent flashing. It was just that one bright flash, that neon blue, totally different color than the heat lightning behind me. Yeah, I would imagine something like that would be creepy to see. But then to see this creature, that's very strange.

I wanted to ask you about the face of the creature. Would you describe the face? I mean, was it head more like a German Shepherd or a wolf or something like that? It was very wolf-like. It was sharp, sharp features and very sharp, sharp-pointed ears. A very pronounced snout. And I kind of got this vibe from it that like if it were to attack me, there would be nothing I could do at all.

But it definitely, it definitely looked like a wolf for sure. It was, it, um, you could, you could kind of maybe throw German Shepherd in there, um, with some of the hair around the cheeks and so like the puffier on the outside of the face. But when it came to the snout, the snout narrowed and it was a very, very pronounced snout. The head wasn't super large. if I was going to give a size of the head it would probably be a little larger than a German shepherd's

and when you saw this creature was it on two legs a whole time kind of like a man running the whole time the only time it was on how it used its if you can even call them hands was when it it spun around and I can't remember which hand

but it put it between its legs to stabilize itself as it like hunched over and looked at me as if like to keep it stabilized so it wouldn't fall off the branch yeah the scary part is it didn't keep going it kind of stopped to look at you i think that's the part that well all of it would have bothered me but that part in particular and do you remember having a tail and i think you said it in the beginning and i might have missed it how tall was it i did not see a tail i I would say it was probably, gosh, I wish I knew how tall my suburban was. I'm 6-2, just under 6-3, but I'll just say 6-2, and it definitely would have had another

foot and some change on me. So I'd probably say, it was definitely, I would say, at absolute maximum 8 feet. I mean, I don't think it was 8 foot. It might have been 7, 7 and a half feet tall. And then again, it was moving so fast, you know, but it was definitely very tall. There was another experience had in Kansas. This is actually after my dog man. I don't know what it was, but it crossed a remote road.

I was heading down to do my heading towards like America's, Kansas, which is like middle nowhere, Kansas. And this is early in the morning. Something crossed the road. And it reminded me almost of like a mountain line or a cougar, some big, big cap when it's, it wasn't a cap. But the way it moved, how it was like getting ready. It looked like a cat getting ready to bounce when they get super, super low to the ground. But it was army crawling.

But it looked as if a person was army crawling on their tippy toes and the tips of their fingertips. It was so unnatural. I don't know what it was. I couldn't get it. I saw it in my truck headlights. So my truck headlights were very dim. They didn't have LED headlights on the truck. Probably thank God, because if I saw what it actually was,

it probably would have freaked out. Because I was like, oh, no, here we go again. Because ever since my dog man encounter, I was paranoid. Like, I don't want to see anything ever again like that. Anyway, I didn't, and I was going to go turn around and see what this was. And I'm a firm believer in Jesus. I just believe the Holy Spirit was speaking to me is don't turn around. don't because I wanted to turn around and get a look at it.

I was just very bold of me because normally I'm not like that. I'm like, I seem like something like something like I don't want any part of this. But something in me was kind of intrigued after my dog man encounter. I could ask something so conscious was kind of wanting to know. Seeing the dog man so clear, but I couldn't see what this was. hardly I don't know if it was a big foot or whatever it was. Anyway, I didn't turn around. Probably for the best.

Yeah, it doesn't sound like a dog. I mean, I don't know what it was, but I don't know that I've ever heard of dogmen doing kind of that spider crawl movement or that army crawl movement. Sasquatch, on the other hand, there's been many reports of them doing that. And I know from your email and you mentioned it earlier, that you had some things happen when you were younger and you kind of look back now and it makes

you wonder what were those things that that happened? I realize it wasn't a sighting, but what were those things that kind of make you look back now and go, hmm, I don't know. Yeah, so I lived with my grandmother in the mountains near Asheville, I can just know that area. It won't be specific because in Polk County. Very, very tiny. I will have been on top of a mountain, maybe two neighbors.

And there was this creek that ran through our backyard. I don't know if you can call it a creek. It's probably a stream, you know, two or three inches deep. When it rained, it got like six inches deep. You know, just little, little body water through our backyard. But every time I'd go to that body water, I knew something in, and I was 10 or 11 years old at the time, something in me told me, do not cross that Greek.

And I wouldn't. For the longest time, we lived there for like two or three years. One day I did. And it was like a magnet, like every other time, there was like a magnet keeping me from going cross. Something in me would not let me cross. And that sounds silly, but I didn't second guess it. And then one day I did. I had this massive, just knot my stomach.

I had this terrible feeling of I need to turn it. back and need to go back. And mind you, this is only like two or three hundred yards from the house. I played basketball. And we had this terribly hilly spot. But it was a flat spot. And then about 15 feet from the flat spot was a hill when I played basketball there.

And I was about two or three hundred yards from there from that basketball hoop I had out there. And I was like, I need to go back. I need to go back. And I didn't. And I took a couple more steps. And mind you, this is all going. on in my head for about 30, 40 seconds.

And then something in me was like, I just, I have to, so I have to turn around. I felt like something was going to happen. I, like, I knew I was in danger, but there was nothing going on. It was always abnormally quiet up there, which I know, but like, like a lot of people say, thinking back to like, oh, that was weird, but in the moment, they thought nothing of it. So that was just like a feeling. but at that same house about

I don't know what the time frame would be from just those constant feelings to another point where I woke up in the middle of the night this might have been a year later I don't remember but I woke up in the middle of the night and I had this little curtain

block in a window had this very tiny windows, very old home and I woke up and I knew something was watching me but I couldn't see what was watching me but I woke up and I immediately looked out the window like something's watching me through my window

but I couldn't see because that curtain was there and I was going to get out of bed and move the curtain. Like that's how intense the feeling was and I wanted to know who's watching me outside my window. I couldn't muster up the courage. I like just started to swing my feet out of bed and I'm not doing this and I swung my feet back in the bed

and that was like 10, 10, 11 years old, maybe 12 at that point. But that feeling was just, some strong of some something's watching me and through my window that so that was weird yeah it's hard to say i mean it's very strange that you had that feeling and you know usually whenever in the past one i've had that gut feeling and i'm not just talking about like with bigfoot but when you have that gut feeling like something's very wrong here it's been right for me i would say almost every time that there was something wrong. Strange, makes you wonder what was going on there.

I want to go back to your encounter for a moment. That UFO, I'm still thinking about that. Do you think it was a coincidence? Like there was two separate things going on there that you were experiencing? Or do you think the creature and the UFO were related? I 100% believe the dog man came out of that UFO. A hundred, I think. I, I think. I, There is no doubt in my mind. And it's kind of like a knowing. And if I remove all logic, I feel there's just like this knowing.

But I also, if I'm, if I'm going to use logic, I don't, I don't, it was just too cool and sent it. You know, I see this big UFO flash a massive bolt, not a bolt of light, but just illuminate this, you know, itself in the clouds.

and there all of a sudden this thing is crossing the road less than 45 seconds later. You know, it seems a little too coincidental for me. Yeah, and I know there's no way to prove that. It's not like you saw it come out of the craft. But if I was in your shoes, I honestly, I probably would have felt the same way. I would have felt like these two things are these two things are related. It's strange, man. I've heard of accounts in the past of creatures coming out of these UFOs.

And I've always just kind of brushed it off. But I don't know, we live in a weird world, man. It seems like every day this world is getting worse and it's getting weirder. You know, normally I ask everyone what do they think Bigfoot is. But, you know, in your case, I mean, you saw this creature. It was pretty close. I mean, it was a relatively close encounter. It's right there in front of you.

What do you think that they are? I, so I personally think they're demonic, but physical. And my rationalization for that is I believe they're an abomination of some sort where some fallen angel or something, some kind of entity is having its way with animals in the woods and they're creating these abominations. That's how I can only justify, you know, like people hearing about Bigfoot appearing and disappearing and disappearing. and vanishing or turning into a ball of light. You know, that's the only way I can justify this dog man having that supernatural speed and it didn't even look like it was trying. If it was running, if it was going full bore, I don't see why that dog man couldn't run

100 miles per hour. It looked effortless and graceful. Long story short, it's not natural, but it is physical. It's very, very real. I just chalk it up to a satanic or demonic abomination from the pits of hell. That is unfortunately been allowed to be loosed on earth on occasion. Yeah, I kind of agree with you. I mean, I really don't know what to make of the dogman.

You'd be hard pressed to really convince a skeptic or a scientist that this dog man creatures out there running around. Biologically, it makes no sense. But you know, I've been kind of going through the Epstein files, which I don't recommend. It's hard on the soul. But I mean, he was in there, that's a way off topic, but he was in there talking about cloning himself, like you and I talking about going to the store to pick up milk. So who knows what's going on in this world, man? At the time of the encounter, did you get the feeling like this thing might be evil? I, you know, I hate to copy.

It's not copycatting because there's so many other encounters, you know, who have said there's, if there's nothing they could do if it wanted to have its way with them and kill him. But that thought immediately popped in my mind. It was not super bulky. It did not look huge. You know, it didn't look like it was some steroided out wolf on two legs. but I just knew if it wanted to jump down and tear my car up and and rip me out of it,

I couldn't have done a thing. I'm a big dude. I'm 6-2, almost 260. I power lift. The biggest I've gotten is 275. I'm a very large man. And there's not a whole, there's nobody that scares me. I don't want to sound arrogant when I say that.

I'm just like, most people stay away from it. from me. And I know in that moment there was not a thing in the world I could have done. I didn't get a sense of evil. I didn't get a sense of, I mean, I guess you can say it's inherently evil if you get that feeling of there's nothing you could do for one to kill you. But it wasn't menacing. Like I said, it was just looking down at me, keeping an eye on me, which is just almost like it wanted to know me to know that it saw me. But it didn't. it didn't go out of its way to harm me. It didn't look like it had malicious intent.

But if it suddenly turned on a dime and had those emotions, it could have killed me, absolutely. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And I guess you kind of said that earlier. So I apologize for the question. Running into one of these things would absolutely terrify me. And it's such a weird mystery. I tend to think that they're demonic as well,

but it's hard to prove that. It's hard to prove any of this, but people see it and see it more often than most people realize. And I really wanted to hear this account, so I really appreciate you coming on, Will, and sharing what happened to you, man.

I enjoy chatting with you. Thank you for having me. This show has helped a lot. It helps me feel vindicated. I had a girlfriend, call me crazy. I called her immediately after I saw the dog man. and she's like, she's like, you're crazy, you're running a lack of sleep. And I felt further vindicated when the Emerilow Zoo picture came out because then I had,

I finally had something to show somebody and say, this is it, this is what I saw. So thank you for having me. And thank you for your platform. That is just a blessing. You know, I think Jesus for you and the good work you're doing, allowing people to just talk about what they went through. Thanks for the kind words. I really appreciate it. And thank you again for coming on. I need to look up that Amarillo Zoo picture he's talking about. I don't like I've ever heard of that.

Anyway, that's it for tonight, everyone. If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next. time everyone.