Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1236 The Black Cloaked Figures

Episode Date: March 8, 2026

Tonight we will be speaking to Seth and Seth writes "I grew up in Lynchburg, Virginia, and went to college there too. That's where this story took place. It's not a Bigfoot encounter at least I don't think it is. Honestly, I'm not sure what kind of encounter it was. All I know is that it happened to me. I've often wished someone could explain it, tell me what it was or what it meant. It happened on October 31, 2001, under a full blue moon, along one of the quietest stretches of the Blue Ridge Parkway. At the time, I was driving a 1970 Chevy Bel Air an old steel boat of a car and I had pulled into the James River overlook near Goff Mountain Road. It was close to midnight. The moon was so bright it almost felt like daytime. I shut the engine off and decided to stretch my legs. There's a small trail there that leads down toward a bench maybe a hundred yards from the parking area. I'd spent a lot of time in the woods so being out in the forest at night didn't bother me. I knew what normal nighttime woods felt like. And I also knew when something felt off. As I walked down the trail, the stillness felt unnatural. No breeze. No insects. No rustling. Nothing. I sat on the bench and looked through the bare branches while the moonlight spilled across the slope below. It was beautiful, but something about it felt wrong. Like I was being watched. Then I heard a Snap. A single limb breaking somewhere downslope, maybe fifty to a hundred yards away toward the Bellamy Creek drainage. At first I didn't think much of it deer snap branches all the time. Then it happened again. And again. What caught my attention wasn't just the sound it was the pattern. The breaks started coming from different directions. Not like one animal moving through the woods. I counted five, maybe ten distinct snaps, each spaced about four or five seconds apart. Then the timing changed. The snaps started coming faster… one every second or two… and they seemed to be moving in a circle around me. That was enough. Instinct kicked in, and I stood up and headed back to the car. When I got inside the car, I didn't start the engine right away. I just sat there with the keys in the ignition, ready to leave if I needed to. At first, nothing happened. Then something hit the hood. It sounded exactly like a Douglas fir cone hitting steel hard, solid, unmistakable. The problem was that there were no pine or fir trees there. Only deciduous trees, and by that time of year all their leaves had already fallen. There was nothing up there that could drop. Then another hit. Then they started falling faster like something was throwing them. They weren't rocks or dirt. Every impact sounded the same weight, the same size, the same hollow thunk of a heavy cone hitting metal. The hood, the roof, the trunk maybe even the sides of the car. But I couldn't see anything falling. Nothing bouncing off. Nothing rolling away. Just the sound. I looked up toward the treeline in front of me, expecting to see bare trunks and branches in the moonlight. Instead, I saw figures. At first I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. The shapes looked like people standing among the trees. They weren't trees. They were tall figures six to seven feet high wearing what looked like long hoods or cloaks. Completely black. No faces. No hands. Just darkness beneath the hoods. Some stood still. Others seemed angled toward me. It was like they absorbed the moonlight instead of reflecting it. I turned to my left, toward the grassy median beside the car, and saw more shapes there. Maybe three to eight of them, lying flat on the ground like bodies. Each time I looked away and then looked back, they were closer. But they never moved while I was watching. No sound. No crawling. Just different positions every time my eyes shifted. Then I noticed something near the driver's side of the car. Three smaller figures, only five to ten feet away. These weren't tall like the ones near the trees. They were crouched or hunched close to the ground, almost like children playing. Under each hood there was a faint flicker like someone trying to light a cigarette lighter that never quite caught. Meanwhile the impacts on the car were coming faster and faster. At that point, instinct completely took over. I turned the key, threw the car into Drive, and sped out of the overlook as fast as I could. As I pulled away, those smaller figures were right beside my door. If the window had been open, I'm certain I could have reached out and touched them. They just watched. I drove for about five miles before finally pulling over. Nothing had followed me. When I got out and inspected the car, there wasn't a single dent. No scratches. No debris. Nothing at all that explained what I had heard hitting the car. I've looked at that location on maps many times since then. But I've never gone back in person. Not once. I haven't even driven that stretch of the Parkway again. There's one detail that still bothers me, though. When I later looked at the spot on Google Maps, the overlook where I had parked appeared to be on the wrong side of the road. I clearly remember pulling into it on the right side from the direction I was traveling. But according to the map, it should have been on the left. I've tried to make sense of that for years, and I still can't. For a long time, I never told anyone about this." Now, I'm telling you."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. Back on one, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you betty. See you. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine.

I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. Yeah, this is the macho man, and you're listening to the cream of the crop. Yeah. Podcast, Sasquatch, Chronicles. Here comes!

Welcome to the show. tonight we will be speaking with Seth. Seth had this strange experience in Virginia back on October 31st, 2001. While on a hike, he ran into these cloaked figures in the forest. Seth told me, I assume they were Satan worshippers, but the way they acted and the way they moved didn't seem human. And I know it's not a Bigfoot encounter, but I had to hear about this experience. and I'll let Seth go into it.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Seth to the show. Seth, thanks for coming on. Hey, thank you, Wes. And you had this very strange experience in Virginia.

I know we're going back to 2001. And I know you're just across the bridge from me, across the Columbia River. Did you grow up in the Pacific Northwest? Yeah, born and raised in Hillsborough. And, yeah, I went to school in Virginia. So I was over there in Lynchburg doing that. And this whole thing happened. Yeah, it was a weird account. I've read your email a couple times. If you would, take me back to 2001. What were you doing and what happened?

Sure. So it was Halloween 2001. And some of the stuff that is kind of like present as far as it was a blue moon. and some of that information. I didn't remember it. Actually, it was kind of when I was doing some research on this and that some of this stuff came more clear for me. And it was, yeah, it was Halloween. And so I was going to school there in Lynchburg and going to college.

And, you know, my best friend had gotten married that year and we'd work together as well. And typically, you know, Halloween and college, I would have just gotten together with him and we would have gone and done something. I had an idea that I was just gonna go for a drive, kind of get away. There was a lot of stuff going on in life, too,

that I was really trying to sort out and figure myself out. So, you know, I headed out of town a little bit there of Lynchburg. And I had been up in this area maybe once before, but it's not something like, it's not a place I typically went or, you know, a place I knew really well. I just, you know, I knew I could get up there and, you know, go for a drive and clear my head, enjoy the night and do this kind of big old loop that goes up there to pop, you know,

kind of pops you out like 10 miles down the road and you drive back to the town. But when I was driving up there, there was no traffic. And I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily expect there to be a bunch of people driving up there. But, you know, I just remember that there was zero traffic on almost oddly so. Like you'd probably expect to see somebody driving through this place. But there's, you know, lots of lookouts and trails and different, you know, places that you can pull off an hike. And I noticed a turnout.

The road kind of split. And then there was this grass median. So you could pull off road, park, and then keep going, and then rejoin the road after about 100 yards or so. And Seth, this is at night? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I couldn't tell you exactly what time it was.

I mean, I'd say after 10. You know, some time between 10 and 2. I don't, you know, pretty sure I had not gotten too late or into the morning hours. But, yeah, I pulled off and parked and, you know, just looking around, it looked like there was a trail there pretty well marked. And so I got out of the car and decided I was going to go for a night hike. You know, there was, you know, again, there was just, there was nobody around. And so I really wasn't too worried about really running into anybody or anything necessarily happening. I mean, I've grown up hunting and walking around in the woods to chase down some or get ready,

you know, get into good locations for deer and elk. You're up, you know, three o'clock in the morning and it's dark, you know, getting in and getting out. And, you know, in a night like that night, I mean, you don't need a flashlight or anything. the moon was so bright. And I had no idea where this trail was going to take me, but I just wanted to, you know, just kind of go with whatever the mood really was. And I, you know, as I kind of think back a little bit about the,

the why of it, you know, why was it there? What was I thinking and that kind of stuff? But, you know, I did almost kind of feel like I was just kind of drawn, just kind of pulled into this direction for whatever reason. And so I'm getting on this trail, and it's not, you're up, and this is the Blue Ridge Parkway. So the Blue Ridge is just, it's massive. And I had no idea how big Blue Ridge was. It's just, you know, people kind of fill you in when you're living there doing stuff

of where to go and what to do. But this road just drives right along the ridge line there of the Blue Ridge. And so you're up on top. And the trail kind of goes off the backside of this hill. and drainage area where it's not too steep, but, you know, I mean, I got down, I don't know, maybe a couple hundred yards max. And there was, you know, a little switchback in it and a bench there to just sit at. And, you know, I wasn't necessarily trying to, you know, really get a hike on.

I just wanted to enjoy it. So I, you know, sat there for a little bit and, you know, looking around and just enjoying the view and the quietness of it and the night. And the first thing that I kind of noticed was that there wasn't, there was no sound. And the feeling of it was kind of like being in a bubble. like somebody took a huge mason jar and just kind of put it over the top of me where there was no sound where I was at for sure but there was just nothing coming from

you know down the ridge line or you know typical night sounds that you would have in the woods at night or during the summer or spring especially during those times and we're in the now. So it's, you know, it's not as loud as it would be during the summer, but I mean, it's almost like, oh my gosh, that's that loud when the cicadas are going and going, then all of a sudden, they'll just stop. And then you'll get a little bit of silence before they pick up again, but it wasn't that kind of a, wasn't that time of year, so I wasn't expecting that, but you do always hear stuff going on in the woods, you know, and things happen. And so there was zero of that going on.

And, you know, it's not like everything, it's not like I had, like, you know, the hair on my neck standing up or like this, you know, in sense of something. It's just, you know, my senses are paying attention and noticing it's really quiet. But then after, I wasn't there long, I mean, I'm probably sitting there five minutes tops. probably 20, 30 yards down the hillside. I just, I heard a snap. You know, just a twig, right? It wasn't big. It wasn't like a big limb.

Nothing really fell off of a tree, but it was noticeable. So I'm looking, I'm trying to see, well, what was that? And I don't see anything. Not too much longer. I get another snap, not in the same location, little different location. Not too much longer, I get another snap, totally different location.

You know, probably within a couple minutes period of time, I'd heard at least 10 of these limb snaps and I'm not seeing anything move. And, you know, when your eyes are adjusted, it's the big, bright balloon, you know, low humidity. and so just the visibility is really good. Where I was hearing these snaps, I should be able to pick something up,

a raccoon, whatever. I mean, squirrel wouldn't be out at that time of night, but still anything that size, I would be able to see that. And after these limbs continuing the snap and not being able to see anything, thing and a kind of, you know, going somewhat of a circle around me, that's when I think my sense is sort of my better judgment started to take over and say, you know, Seth, you're out

here by yourself. Nobody knows you're out here where you're at. And, you know, this is, you mean, shoot, we had cell phones. I did. And then, you know, that was a lesson learned that first $300 cell phone build so you don't use it. So I went back to my car. My car was this 1970 Chevy Belair that I had bought from this 85-year-old man had it in the paper, and I needed to write. So 500 bucks was really where I was at, what I could afford. And this guy had this 1970s Chevy Belair. had been parked under his carport next to his house for probably 20 years plus 55,000 original miles on the engine. The interior was just so nice. And everything worked.

The exterior was this beautiful avocado green or whatever they were making at that time that that was, you know, good. But it had oxidized and, you know, it wasn't anything to really look out. But just talk about a cool car. I loved that car. Drove like a dream. It had this two speed slip and slide transmission is what they called it. And later on found out that they're great for drag racing and stuff. But anyways, not about that.

It was just my car. And so I get back to my car. And not too much really happens. there's nothing like I don't feel like I'm getting chased out of the woods or anything. I can't tell you if the limbs kept snapping or whatever. I just got back to my car after a short little hike out and get into my car, roll down the windows. And I'm just kind of thinking about it.

Like, what is that? What was that? I didn't feel like I'd better get out of here or anything like that. just kind of was just curious. But after I had sat there for a little bit and, you know, check it out on my mirrors or on the window, don't see anything, no cars driving in or out, nothing going on. You know, I think I was almost thinking maybe I imagined it or something like that.

And there was nothing going on. But I hadn't decided to get back out of the car yet. But then the next thing I remember is, and I couldn't tell you what came first. It was almost about the same time. But it was like something hit the car and just, you know, this. If we were here, I would have told you it was a Douglas fir cone, but a green one. You know, it just has that perfect density to have a bite with your friends. We were told, you know, you can't throw dirt clods, at least in my house, and, you know, got my backside tan enough times for that that I gave up on those.

But these Douglas fur cones were awesome because they did not feel good when they hit you if you threw them hard enough. But we'd have those fights as kids. But I mean, so you know the sound of what one of those things pinging off a car sounds like. But that's what I would tell you that hit the car was a Douglas fir cone. But there's no fir trees in the area. It's deciduous forest. There's, you know, not even a pine tree really around. So what hit the car?

I really couldn't tell you, but that's the sound of maybe. Ping. And I'm like, well, hmm, no winds. You know, I'm sure these trees have something in them that, you know, could fall off and might. But anyways, it didn't alarm me too much. But then there was another one. And then there's like a, pause, not too much longer, another one.

But I'm not seeing whatever it is hit the car. It's not like I'm seeing things fly off the hood, which almost sounds like where it would have hit or the top of the car. Then I'm really, really perplexed about whatever is happening right now. And as I'm looking out the windshield at the, At the end of this parking area before you drive back on to the road there, there's trees, but then it looks like there's a bit of a rise. So you can see through the trees, but that skyline is probably 20 feet up in here due to the

rise of the backdrop there. I could still see through the trees. And what I noticed was that the shape of these trees didn't look right. And, you know, so I'm looking at them and wondering what is it about that. And then I see that it's actually, there's movement there. First time I've seen any movement there. And it was at that point I could see that the light between the trees had gotten blocked. And then you'd see the light again.

I really couldn't make out what I was looking at. But I could start to see that that light wasn't shining through then was. And so clear that indicates there's something there. And as I'm really focusing in on this, it looks like there's like a hooded figure, like a person that has like a black cloak on them. I mean, and they're a good 50 yards away from me, I'd say. So, I mean, I'm disbelieving that I'm seeing this. And at the same time, I'm like, no, I'm pretty sure I'm seeing people in those trees. And so I was, you know, looking out my rear view and trying to see, well, is there anybody else?

But, you know, I thought probably what happened was, you know, I'm out there going for a hike. and I must have kicked up some or walked into, I don't know, a group of Satanists or something like that. Every once in a while, you'd be talking to people and they'd be like, oh, there's a lot of activity in the area. You know, it's a topic and people will drop that. Not that they have too much to be able to say about it, but, you know, they'd find things around in the woods or or it was some written up in the paper or something like that. but, you know, I was my best guess was I probably interrupted their evening of whatever they've got going on on Halloween night with the flute full moon. And that's probably a good time for them to, you know, do whatever they do. But, and so that was my best idea I had at the moment.

But there's enough distance in between us that I'm really not too worried about it. And I'm curious. I'm like, well, what are they going to do? I mean, they're probably the reason why I'm here in my car, you know, get these things pinging off of it every few, you know, sex in five, ten, thirty seconds or whatever the time is. But as I'm, you know, looking at them, they're not really coming towards me.

They're just kind of standing there. And I don't see anybody or anything really going on to my right, which is, you know, not too far to the tree line there or behind me. So as I'm just curious about this, I just look out my driver's side to my left where there's 10, 15 yards probably of pavement there. Then the pavement ends before you hit this grass median between the main road and this parking area. And there's nothing grown out there. It's just grass.

And on the other side of the road, the tree line there. But as I'm looking out there with, you know, full moon shining down, it looks to me like there's shadows where I couldn't see where, you know, I don't know, maybe the trees did cast a shadow from the angle on the moon and everything else. But there was definitely these shadows that were out in this grass media that looked like somebody had taken like a blanket and just. throwing it out there and several of them out there probably five, six, seven of these shadows that I'm seeing out there. You know, I'm looking at those and then I'm keeping an eye on what's in front of me, making sure I, nothing's coming in on me. And these, every time it seemed like I would look back to the tree line in the figures

in front of me that's when I would look and I'd look back at the the median and the grass to the left they had moved and

and they didn't look like there was I mean it didn't look like there was any like body I guess there but you know like a like a like if someone somebody was in some road, they'd be out, if they were laying on the grass basically out there.

And, you know, as I were to look back in the front and not for long, but just come back. And it's like, how could they possibly have changed position and moved so quickly into these different positions? And if they were even they, or, you know, just, but they definitely would change positions. and they were getting closer to me. And then they weren't just on, eventually, as I'm doing this, and they weren't just on the grass. They were getting like on to the pavement or near the pavement. And that's when I started to see these figures.

The best way I can describe this is it looked like they have, a bick lighter that they were trying to get to light and it was out of fluid or wasn't patching for whatever reason it was just like spark spark spark spark but every once in a while it would catch a flame just for a little bit they all seemed to be doing this like simultaneous I wouldn't tell you it wasn't like they were synchronized. It was just kind of, you know, one of them, spark, spark in front of the other one, too. So it looked like these figures that were coming towards me on the ground and kind of, you know, shifting every time I look away and got closer. It looked like they would have these, like where they would be is in front of their face, where their face would be.

and I would and I kept thinking like I should be able to see hands or a face because it would light for just enough time to cast enough light where there should be something there and if there was I wasn't seeing it and but but I could see that these figures were like I could take it I could tell that there was an outline of a hood and that that was you know like maybe a foot off the ground as if just imagine somebody laying there and then lifting their head up and lighting of trying to light these lighters right in front of their face, what purpose that would possibly even serve. No clue.

Like, why? I don't know. But as they're starting to do this and move closer to me, I'm still thinking that I've probably, like, I've stumbled into this group of whatever and they, probably don't want me here anymore, but being stubborn and curious and trying to, I guess, spoil their evening, if that sounds like a good time, nothing better to do. I start kind of talking to them out the window and kind of taunting them. Like, hey, wow, you know, that's a, that's a really good trick you got there with that letter. Wouldn't it be nice if, like, if it would work,

And, you know, just stuff like that. I can, specifically couldn't tell you, just trying to, I think, kind of calm myself down and make sense of the situation while it was happening. But by now I'm like, I really want to know what these things are because they're doing things that don't make sense to me. how can you possibly, in just a very short period of time, as I'm looking one direction, move? And then I don't remember I'm moving anymore. Like once I started looking at them, I'm like, I don't think they moved anymore, but how could they possibly do that? And so I'm trying to figure this out, but I got nothing.

But they eventually get close enough to me that I was like, well, that's enough. you know, that's definitely close enough. So I start my car, just threw it and drive and was like gone and just drove, you know, straight out. And whichever direction was out of there, like continuing on where I was headed to for the evening. And I didn't see anything like pop up or, you know, chase me or anything or anything like anything like that. But by that time, I think I was pretty well freaked out because there was, I just couldn't make sense out of what was going on, really. I got probably a couple miles down the road and there was like a viewpoint off the side of the road. And I just still not seeing any traffic at all.

I was looking for like where would these people have parked like they had to have caught here somehow. I didn't see any cars or anything. showing sign of, you know, people being in the area. But I got a couple miles down the road and just needed to kind of just try to calm myself down a little bit and pulled off. And, and I started taking a look around the car, see if there was, you know, any sign of these things that they had been throwing or hitting my car with and didn't see any debris, didn't see any, you know, sign that they had, you know, done anything. And, left any evidence of what could have been hitting the car.

And yeah, I still didn't see anybody driving in or out. And I think I debated, do I drive back that way and see if they're still there or, or, you know, whatever. But I think I figured I had probably been given a gift of maybe not knowing what these things were or finding out or them getting any closer to me and so I just kept driving

until it popped out on the next road and I remember the gas station there and you know filled up my boat and went home that was it I don't think I told a soul about it I kind of maybe dug around

a little bit on the internet trying to see, well, you know, if there was any, anything in the area that would come close to being something like this, even though I never was able to see a face or any, any sign that they were human or otherwise, you know, I still would try and I guess I was thinking, like, what else could it be? I don't know. And so, like, I just didn't find anything on it. And I did not talk about this for until pretty recently, you know, I think it maybe came up once or twice. I talked to a couple people, but listening to other people on their counters and what's going on.

I should probably, what was that? And, you know, I got online and I looked around and tried to find, you know, any evidence and through the whole scenario and chat GPT and, you know, turn into the super sleuth. I could not find anything on anything like this. but you know it put the put the story together for me pretty well and then as I was you know getting on Google or I thought one of the well if it's as if it wasn't strange enough

one of the weirdest things about it was researching it and looking I mean doing the I don't remember what you call it but you can kind of get a street field you get down the street view where you're actually kind of like walking along or traveling along that same location I was able to see the location and the whole place looked identical to what it was.

But the weirdest thing about it, the only thing that was wrong or didn't work for the whole scenario was it was on the wrong side of the road. And I have talked about that so many times. I'm like, what do you mean? It's not, it should be on the right side of the road. where I pulled in, and then when I left, I went straight out. I didn't turn around and come back where I was coming from, and that does not make any sense to me.

That I don't know. And I would probably say, well, I must have remembered it wrong or something like that, but there's, you know, everything else that I can remember as clearly as I can about that whole situation I think I would remember that and just not you know I'd give it I'd give it away if that was me if I was wrong and you know it was on that side of the road

and I just don't remember how I drove out or in then fine but no it does not leave me alone that that was on the wrong side of the road you know about five years ago I'm interviewing this guy who had an encounter in the James Riverface Wilderness there in Virginia. And we go through the interview and we get done and everything. We're not recording.

And he goes, you know, I forgot to tell you about the time I ran into Satan worshippers out there. And I was like, oh, really? And he goes, yeah, I'm assuming that's what they were. It was in the Devil's Marble Yard, which is just south of where you were at. It's across the James River. And the devil's marble yard, from my understanding, I've never been there. I've seen pictures of it. But it looks like just a big pile of rocks.

I've never really looked up why it's called Devil's Marble Yard. But what was interesting is he was out there. It was just after sundown. And he comes across these three what he called Satan Worshippers. They were in black cloaks. And he couldn't really see any face. faces, and he assumed because it was dark. But the more we talked about it, the more I was like, I don't know, man, this doesn't sound like people. He said it was just black where their faces were

at. And he didn't see any hands or anything like that because they were wearing these dark black cloaks. But as we were talking, he was talking about, he goes, you know what was really weird and he was assuming because he was seeing people in cloaks. He was like, it's almost like they floated it off. And like every one of them was the same size, same build. And he never went back there. He assumed they were Satan worshippers. But, you know, you going back and looking on Google and realizing that it was on the other side of the road makes me think it was something more paranormal. Do you think you could have been mistaken and it was actually on the other side of the road? I wish I could say, yeah.

And that's probably, I mean, and maybe that's, I mean, that is the Occam's razor there for you. You know, it's like that does make sense. And, you know, sure. I mean, sure. That's just not how I remember this. It's just not the way I remember it. And I could be wrong. I mean, I really, I mean, the whole deal is wacky, you know, like what part of it?

it really makes any sense to me. I don't know. Might as well be young, you know. I was kind of thinking that maybe when I was going back and looking on Google Earth, that I wouldn't even find the place, you know? But being on the wrong side of the road, I mean, that's kind of par for the course on a blue moon and the Halloween. You know, in a lot of paranormal encounters,

you'll find a lot of weird stuff like this where people will say, know it happened over here. And then when they go back to the location, it couldn't have happened over there. Makes me wonder if you stepped into something. I mean, it's, it's creepy. The whole, the whole night is creepy. And the area where you're at is pretty notorious for paranormal activity. I mean, the only other times I've heard weird things, I had a witness one time. What is it? The Westover plantation. And it's a really haunted. area. I think it's a tourist attraction now. But I've had eyewitnesses have weird things happen over there. And that's not far from where you're at. I wanted to ask you originally, was it three figures you

were kind of through your windshield? And how big do you think they were? Do you think they were like the size of a human? Well, I mean, as I was talking this through, I was thinking that skyline was like, you know, probably 20 feet up from the trees. I'm like, that couldn't be it because I would have made them for me to see the movements in the trees. I would have made them ridiculously tall. So it was probably, I mean, on the top of this ridge line, it was probably more gradual than that, like maybe about a five foot difference in that elevation.

So that would have made them, you know, somewhere around like, I don't know, six foot, eight foot. Maybe eight would be pushing it, though. But probably close. or about that six foot, seven foot. And there was more than three that I could tell. Like I would probably put the total number somewhere

close to 1520 that I could tell because there was at least like probably around seven that I could kind of pick out in front of me. And then the ones that were

on that medium And like how they got there where they came from, no idea, but there was at least five, five, six of them out there. And yeah, so, I mean, a total number who knows what I didn't see and where they were at. I mean, why just, you know, stay in that location and come from that direction? Why not behind me? Or, you know, the proximity to my right would have, in that tree line would have been. I'm far closer to, you know, close the distance on me or something. I just didn't really like, I mean, it's such a weird thing to, like, do.

And then why not close the distance in front of me, too? I just kind of stay there. Why not, you know, continue to move in if that's what the, there was some goal like that. The ones you were actually seeing in front of you that you really took notice of, of like, oh, they're wearing cloaks. Were they the closest to you? No, they wanted to be in the farthest from me. They were, you know, from where I was parked,

there was a good 30, 40 yards out in front of me in that tree line. And it was about the same behind me, I'd say, too. And it was at least three, but there was, you know, I don't know, there was more by the end of the whole deal. And so you see these three main figures kind of in front of you. Obviously, there's more than just three, but your focus is there and there's other things going on behind them that made you think there was more than just these ones you're looking at. And you mentioned some movement. I mean, what was it that they were doing?

Just standing there. Just standing there. And then moving. like they had I mean they were moving slightly to their left or their right in order for me to see like that originally what caught my eye and I'm not sure if they were like standing behind the trees or in front of the trees I couldn't tell you that but yeah moving out enough to be able to close out the the light from behind them where I was able to you know pick them up and I know that you said it earlier and I probably missed it.

The ones that are directly in front of you, how far away are they? 30, 40 yards in front of me is where I would say that was. And then you look over to your left and you're noticing there's other ones in a field? Yeah, they were off to my left. So, yeah, the way that I pulled into this area and I was parallel to like the curb. So, yeah, to, like, to my left, there was a parallel grass line of that median. And that median is probably about 50 yards long total, I'd say. And then across the total width of it was probably about 30 yards to the distance between.

So I'm probably like 40, 50 yards off the main road where I'm at. And then there's another, you know, that that, that, that, uh, pay, pay parking area is probably about 10, 15 yards wide. And then, and, uh, you know, the difference there of, of, um, of that grass area median that, that they were on. And so when you very first take notice of them, it's not like they're up running around. When you see them, it's like they're down on their bellies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they would have had to have been laying prone.

but it wasn't like I could really truly see that they were figures at that point. I just, you know, it looked like somebody took a blanket or several blankets and, you know, kind of just threw them out in the grass. But, you know, when I noticed him, I was like, well, honey, those were those there before? I don't know. I don't think so. You know, sat there and stared at him for a minute and then realized I probably ought to keep. an eye out in front of me and you know just had kind of on a swivel going around and around

trying to see what's going on and make sure you know I'm not going to get caught off guard or surprised yeah yeah no they were just like they were just like you couldn't really see like that they were the hooded cloaked beings or people it just looked like like blankets got tossed out there on the grass so the ones on the ground that were kind of like blanket I mean, I realize they're moving closer to you. Eventually, did they have a shape like a person wearing some sort of weird cloak? Yeah. Like, like if, like you're like somebody's doing a like a, what kind of a crawl is it where you're on your belly and and you're like if it were me, I would be like on my belly with the hood on facing down and then like, you know, bringing my knee.

up in that that shape like one leg straight, one knee out and then arms kind of coming up. So it wasn't like it was like the shape of a person as I would think of like person standing there or laying there. But as those shifts and changes made were made, and yeah, I mean, those are clearly these things that were out in front of me now on the grass over here. Yeah. I mean, these things are relatively close to you to begin with. And I realize you're trying to focus on what's in front of you while looking over to your left,

keeping an eye on whatever these things are, whatever they're doing. As you looked up and then looked to your left and kind of, I would imagine it happened that quick, how far up did they move? So when they would move, it was probably like, six inches. Not much. So, I mean, I guess it's totally possible as I'm looking away that, you know, something could move that quick.

I mean, they've clearly had a skill set that I'm not familiar with. So they were doing that. How close were they to your Bel Air when you decided, okay, this is too close. It's time to get out of here. They were about halfway across that road there. so what is that? I mean, about a parking strip wide, five, five to eight feet maybe,

10 maybe. And they're relatively close right before you took off. I mean, when you were looking at these things kind of crawling closer and closer to your car, could you make out anything? Could I make out like details

about like hands, face, feet, and I could not. I kept thinking, like, I've got to see, like, a boot come out of the bottom or something or, you know, a hand, you know, and the, I mean, maybe there was, maybe there was, like, a little bit of an outline of a hand when the flicking was going on with the lighter. I think I was mostly focused on seeing a face. Like, I was like, who is that? like I want to see

eyes and you know I want to see a face to be able to kind of put the pieces together now because really I've just got these cloaked things like and I couldn't even tell you if there was any

like a body has a you know a depth to it right there's like a body on the ground as however big that that dimension is that should be something that I'm able to see pretty well by the distance and all the the situation and I couldn't tell you that I did I could not tell I couldn't see anything other than like the cloak itself and where there should be a body and

there and there should be like a hand and a face and and I mean I mean if I see saw and I blocked it out or something but I was pretty pretty sure I did not see a face, like not enough where I could say, yeah, that's, that's a person. Yeah, it's just so bizarre. The flickering of the light, did they all do it at the same time? Yeah, not all at once, right? It was, you know, a couple. It was like the ones kind of in the trees, I think, first.

Like I was like, I'm I sit, you know, flick, flip, flip, flick in not all at once, but they, I'm pretty sure they were all at one point in time doing it. And the ones that I really was mostly focused on by this time are the ones that were kind of next to me on the ground. And yeah, every single one of those things had this flicking thing going on. I mean, it's something like that that makes me keep thinking that it had to be a person or something like. I mean, because a bit lighter makes sense to, people had those things, especially if they were in the woods and doing whatever.

So I would make sense for them to have that. But, and that would make them, you know, definitely like a human to me. But anyways, I kept going there. I was just. Yeah, no, you answered my, my question, Seth. And, you know, you're right. Even with like a big lighter, you know, that small, quick flick of a light, you think you'd be able to make out something, but you're just seeing black. I realize you're not

going to be able to make out like details or, but even in that brief moment, you're going to be able to see, oh, there's a face there. And you just seen black. It's just strange to me. You know, you had mentioned you were kind of taunting them. Did they start flickering this light after you were kind of taunting them? I couldn't tell you. I mean, the, the, the, the, the, the, only thing I remember as far, I don't remember the timing of it, but the only thing I remember as far as what I actually said to them was, um, that's a pretty good trick there. That's a good one. You know, that, that's, that's what I can remember. I said, I probably said, who knows what, but that's all I remember saying, but I did talk to him for a while trying to, I just, I was

trying to get them. Oh, and I, and I, I, Also, I also said, I see you. I see you. I see you. You're right there. And so, yeah, I wanted to let them know. Like, they're doing a good job. It's like, I'm aware, very aware of whatever you're throwing or however you're making the sounds on my car to all the stuff you're doing.

You got, you got my attention. And they didn't respond to you. I mean, there wasn't even a reaction. from them. No, nothing. That's what makes me think that you didn't run into people. I mean, you get out there in Virginia. Those country boys don't play. You show up with 15 of your buddies and black dresses and you're probably going to get shot. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. And where are, how did they get there? Like, there had to be, I mean, there just had to be. I mean, there just had to be. I mean, unless they carpooled and they got somebody to drop them off so that they could, you know, just, oh my gosh, I never thought about that like, you know, 20 of these guys all in eight passenger vans and they're getting dropped off at their piling out of their vans to do their thing.

But where were they? I mean, I never saw any evidence of them in the woods. I never saw any evidence of, you know, them, you know, having any transportation or anything that would have got them there, too. Yeah, when I looked it up on a map, Seth, I mean, it's a remote area. You're not going to hike into there. You're going to have to be dropped off. What do you think happened? I mean, do you think you ran into people?

Do you think you ran into something darker? Yeah, I think I really try. to make it, I really try to rationalize it as a human. But I just, I mean, there's like so many things about it that I just cannot put that together to make that a reality. So I mean, to me, I think it had to be, had to be something, something not. Not human. Yeah.

I agree with you. I mean, it doesn't sound like people. When you very first got there, you talked about it being silent. The forest was dead silent. Did that seem normal to you? That really kind of became apparent to me as I was sitting on the bench. you know, just kind of trying to listen and take in the environment

and, you know, there's no breeze, there's no insects, there's nothing. I mean, the way that it kind of felt to me, and I couldn't tell you if it had started before I got out there or if it was right at that time, but it just kind of felt like there was this like if like I described it like it was a like it just kind of got sealed off and there was like it was like noise was like it was in a vacuum or something if there was something there yeah that whole forest going quiet I mean you hear that a lot in big foot encounters and you also hear about them throwing stuff at you kind of like when you were in your car and whatever it was being throwing at you. And I used to have this theory when it came to spirits that you almost kind of have to

engage with them for them to truly bother you. And that's what makes me wonder about whatever this was throwing stuff at your car, almost like trying to get you to come out, pick something up and throw up back at them, kind of engage with them. And you know, that area where you're at, there's so much paranormal stuff that goes on there. I think the plantation, that are still there, Native Americans being killed in that area. The Civil War went on there. Just a long history of just bad things. Even on the James River, people report this ghost fleet from the Civil War.

People will see this weird ghost fleet going up and down the James River. And it makes me wonder why this happened to you. I mean, you were just kind of there minding your own business. Maybe it's just a bad area, you know? Yeah, no, it's definitely an area that has its whole, it's fair share of like that kind of stuff going on for sure. And I'm trying to remember what chat said as far as, you know, potential things like, and I want to say there was like workers or a mine, but there was, there was some kind of of like tragedy of some level and I don't I don't really remember what that was but

there's but it's interesting to just hypothesize on stuff like you know the land and the land having like a memory or like you know what I mean like there's like if some if trauma has happened happened in an area that's of significant, like enough, I think, it stays there or it's like it has an imprint that continues to just be there. And whether that's like opening up some kind of a gate or how, you know, and oh gosh, what is it, the veil. I've heard it called, like the veil being thin. you know if i was going to pick a night a blue moon which i i kind of did some research on is like really rare i can say this statistically how often it happens but it's not often and for it'll be

on Halloween and you know i mean those there's a few pieces there that certainly kind of add up to increasing the likelihood of something going on yeah it definitely makes you wonder you know even when cane killed abel it said his blood cried out to god and the story goes can't tried to bury abel but the earth kept spitting him up it didn't say that god kept spitting him up it said the earth which makes you wonder i mean all these areas are so many bad things have happened i wish i knew more about that and how it worked you know that whole thing works we know very little man and i wish i had a great answer for you and said oh yeah here's what you you ran into.

I don't think you ran into people. I really don't. But I do appreciate you sharing it. You know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? Oh, oh, man. You, you're, you're, Wes, you're good. I'm so glad.

I'm so glad that you called me, man. Thank you. I, um, I love that part to, um, of the show. and I am really kind of let's go with like what does the gut say and the thing that kind of you said that pops up

is abomination and I think that's through kind of the military channels like I think it is some kind of a bloodline you know I mean you take a look at like Genesis 6 and the And then you take a look at, oh gosh, Enoch.

And it says it real clearly there that there was not only just like humans, but animals and plants defiled. And that, you know, I mean, gosh, you were talking about, who was it that was talking about like centaur? Somebody saw a centaur. I mean, a centaur? Like, what is that? And so I think they're all kind of in the same thing. I think they are. And given their less than rosy disposition,

that seems to, for me, work okay. It's funny that I still want to put them in that, you know, cuddly little teddy bear that, oh gosh, he was the guy that the lady that was feeding the muffins, and he was on his motorcycle when he saw the one that was in the tree caught by its leg. and, you know, there were just kind of these cute and cuddly beings that she was feeding out her house and doing a daycare for, which I was like, why, why isn't there more of that? Still, man, just incredible predators and beyond logic, just defies logic. So I think that, yeah, that's where I'll stay the day, but it goes, but it goes, it goes all over the place when I'm trying to really try to understand and think about it.

and I'm willing to entertain and really think about all of it. Yeah, you were referencing 419. And you know, I've kind of been looking into this cloning thing, especially with Jeffrey Epstein, mentioning it in his emails. And I reached out to someone who does genetics. They're not really into Bigfoot. But I had asked them, or we had a point to where you could mix a human and an animal?

And he started laughing. He was like, we could have done that 10 years ago. But assuming there's some sort of abomination, some sort of creation that shouldn't be here, you would think it would be evil all the time. But they're not. You know, I think of like I did this episode with Tommy. And long story short, he grew up in a very tough home.

And he was running away. And he started sinking in this swamp, quicks him. and the more he fought, the more he sunk. And this creature came out of nowhere, and he said it was female, and it was the ugliest thing he'd ever seen. And it actually pulled him out of the swamp, walked him over to the road, and dropped him.

So something along the lines of like an nephalum or an abomination, I guess in my mind, maybe I'm wrong. You would think it would be evil all the time. It's hard to figure out. Yeah, you know, and I think it, you know, I think there's the origin story piece that, that, uh, if you're, you know, just as what they are. I mean, that's kind of what makes some, the most sense to me. But as far as, you know, I mean, I'm going to just speaking out of faith here, man, is that there is absolutely nothing that God cannot redeem if that's what the deal is.

and I think that they have an element of that it's still God's creation and so that means that they certainly can be and that means that they probably have that beautiful part of all of us that really just wants love. Yeah, that's a good point. It's all a mystery, you know? And I really appreciate you taking the time, Seth, to come on and share it.

I really enjoy chatting with you. Oh, thank you. it's really fun to talk to you west and i uh and i trip i just tripping out because like i said i'm like you've been going through all this part of my life like it's like you're in my my car with me and and you're like my brother man i just feel so much like you and woodie are like my my brothers i never had so i'm so grateful and blessed by you man thank you very much uh thanks so much set that means a lot to me and thank you again for coming on. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

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