Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1238 I Know What I Saw

Episode Date: March 14, 2026

Mike writes "Wes, I spoke with you a while back about a sighting my buddy had while hunting, and about a non-visual encounter I experienced. My buddy has finally agreed to talk with you about it, and we'd both like to speak with you at the same time. What would be the best way for us to set that up?" Spoke to both Mike and Joe. Joe's encounter takes place in Colorado back in 2018. Joe describes seeing this creature while hunting. Mike also had a strange encounter in Texas.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What on now, sir? That sort of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a balzer? Yes, I'm looking right here. Karen from New Zealand, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles, and I'm thankful that I probably will never have one of these encounters. Welcome to the show.

Tonight we'll be speaking with Mike and Joe, and I got the email originally for Mike talking about this encounter, and his good friend Joe, and the incident took place in Colorado. We're going back to 2018, and Mike had sent me these still shots, of what Joe had actually captured with his phone, and I'll let the guys go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com, and if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Mike to the show. Mike, thanks for coming on. Good to be here, Wes. Yeah, it's good to have you. And I know we have Joe as well.

Joe, thank you for being here. Yep. And I kind of like to start with Joe. I know we're going back to 2018 in Colorado. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened? We was on an elk hunt. It's a yearly elk hunt we do.

We've been doing it probably at that point at 15 years we had been doing it. I got certain places I hunt in a month. morning, so every place is a hunting evening. This was going to be an evening hunt. And I usually walk, you know, two or three miles uphill. And my second half, I turn around and come back and walk that same, not the same area, but like come back to the camp on a downhill, make it easy. And they were doing some logging this year. And I just wanted to go see what they were cutting because it's going to affect the hunting for a few years. So I just wanted to see what they were logging. And, you know, the close I got, I could hear the chainsaws and the machinery's running.

And I was probably still a quarter mile out from where they were logging from. And I had my GPS out in my hand. And I was just trying to get my bearing of where I was going and just trying to see what a logging line was going to start at. I've walked this probably hundreds of times, same area. And I'm just walking. And then I kind of look up and I caught something on my eye. And I'm like, man, that don't look right.

And the more I looked at it, I'm like, there's bear there. and I've got a bear license. I'm like, well, maybe this is a bear. And next thing you know, this thing kind of turns around and just looks at me, you know. And it's, you know, at first I couldn't tell if it was standing up sitting now, but after it turned and looked at me, I'm like, oh my God, you know,

he's trying to process, what did I just see? And when I looked at him, I'm like, well, this ain't a bear because it was a bear, I'd probably shot at it. You know, this ain't a bear. And it's probably between 25, 30 yards out. And then I notice it's kind of sitting down. And sitting down, it's eye level height with me. So put a height on that.

I don't know how that would be. And then it turns kind of back towards where the trees are being cut. And at this point, I'm realizing I'm seeing something I've never seen before. So I drop my GPS. I grab my phone out my pocket and I pull up and I start recording. I reach down, I grab my GPS. I get some video of it from where I'm at. and I just start walking off real quick heading towards the guys that are cutting trees out there.

And as I come around the corner, I didn't even know I actually caught video of the second time from a different angle. I caught video of it from a second time. And I just walked on off. And I'm still, at this point, I'm like, what did I see? You know, was it a person in a costume? And I'm thinking, there's nowhere it's a person in a costume at this time of year because the bear season's open and it's rifle season for bear. I'm bow hunting, but the rifle season for bear is open. I'm like, there's nobody in the woods with this kind of suit on.

That's that crazy because they're going to get shot. And, you know, I'm just still walking. I pull the video back. I watched the video. I'm like, what did I see? What did I see? What did I see? I don't know how to explain it.

I know what I saw, you know? Then after that, the thing is, when I get back to camp, how do I tell my friends what I just seen? You know, because some of them are pretty brutal. someone would bite into it and go with it, but most of them are just going to beat me up. So I kind of walked out to where they were cutting the trees. I never did find the guys cutting the trees, but I found the tree line that I wanted to see what a timber cutting started. And I heard the rest of the evening on a ventful and got back to camp and I kind of meant it.

I said, hey, y'all, I saw a big foot. And then the joke started and then I pulled a video out and some of them are like, oh my God. And then some of them were still, well, it was a bear. And I'm like, man, if it was a bear, I'd have shot it. If it was a bear, I would have known. You know, it had a face. It definitely had a face when it looked at me. And it stayed sitting down.

It never stood up. It was either sitting on a log or on a stump. But it was kind of like, I feel like when I first saw it, I kind of felt like it was watching towards where the trees were being cut. You know, it was a lot of chains. So I was running, a lot of machinery. We run a lot of beeping. But it was probably three, 400 yards out.

It was like it was watching them or listening to them. And then I just walked up behind it. And Joe, I know that Mike actually sent me the still shots of this thing. And, you know, when I looked at it, I was like, oh, oh, he did capture something. Will you send me the full video? I can send you the actual video. Now, this was a shorter version. I've since lost the whole version because I'm like three phones out since then.

But I got like a, I think it's 18 or 15. 14 second clip of it, but I definitely can send you that. Yeah, I can't wait to check out the video. So tell me, Joe, this thing turns and kind of looks at you. Would you describe the face, kind of what you remember? I couldn't tell you if it was hairy, but it was the same color as the fur. But I can make out eyes, cheeks, you know, nose, mouth. I can make all of that out.

And you can almost in the video, if you go back and forth for a couple of seconds at that time where it's like turning the head, you're going to see the eye sockets, nose and the kind, you're going to see the space, the facial, the facial features. And like above the eyes, the crown of the head went higher than any kind of, you know, like a kind of guerrillerish. A gorilla's head's real tall above its eyes. And then when I run around the corner, my phone still videoing when you catch it a second time, you get a real good frontal view, like from chest high.

I think what's interesting is you see this thing, Joe, and it kind of turns and looks your way and then looks back at whatever it's doing. It obviously knew you were there, but it didn't really seem to care. Other than just acknowledged me, there was no more interaction. It just turned, looked at me, didn't care about me,

you know, and then on the second view, it's just looking straight at me. So I just didn't get up. didn't raise no arms up, didn't do anything, just kind of just, oh look, there's somebody. And I know you were there just kind of scouting around. After seeing the same, do you leave? I finished hunting.

I had a goal to where I wanted to be at at a certain time, and then I get there, then I turn around, and I got enough time to get back to camp before dark. It's a trek that I've done for years, and I've been very successful hunting that area, elk hunting. I know where I want to be to about a certain. time and I know how much time I get, because I don't like being in the woods in Colorado in the dark because it's so cold. We're from South Louisiana and that's a different kind of,

that would kill you kind of cold up there. Yeah, it's real cold up there in the Colorado mountains. What did you think about Bigfoot prior to ever seeing this thing? The only thing I've ever, Bigfoot, when I was eight, nine years old, we went to Arkansas and I had a vivid dream of a Bigfoot. I don't remember exactly what it was. He jumped on the car or threw a rock at us in the dream. And from that point on, I've been in the woods since I was three. And from that point on, I've always, you know, I can say I was a believer, but I didn't say there's no such thing because I've watched all the shows.

And I don't know what's the name of the film in California. I've always watched that film. And I'm a believer that they're there. And there's never seen one. And never had any other instance that I said, could have been one or heard one or anything. And I had family members over the years tell us stories about central Louisiana that they've had a thing that they've seen. And my daddy had an uncle that had a story and just never dismissed it.

But until I've seen what I've seen, you know, 100% doubt. I saw something I cannot explain. And 100% know it was not a bear. Seen too many bears. I've shot bears. and it was very peaceful. It was very calming. As soon as I seen it, I didn't freak out that second.

And then when it looked at me, you know, I'm thinking, man, you know, I can't be seeing what I'm seeing. And you try to process something in 14 seconds. And it's just a little hard. I'm like, what do I do? You know, so my thing at that point was, let me just get to these people. Maybe one of these guys are playing around. Maybe somebody's trying to scare these people, but I never did get to the actual guys that were logging.

And still to this day, when I go back like last night, I watched the video again last night. It all comes back and I've seen what I seen. Yeah, you know, from what you saw in the face, what you remember, and just the whole way it acted, its behavior, did it remind you more of a man or did it remind you more of an animal? It was less of an animal and it was super calm. It like it didn't even startle. I've startled animals. I've started coyotes and different animals and bears.

Where you both see each other at the same time, you kind of jump back or you got a reflex or a flinch. There was nothing there. When it swung and looked at me, it just saw me. You know, he's like, yep, somebody's right there and just turned his head back towards the noise. but it was more humanoid like a gorilla like than anything else. The top half of the head just remind me so much of a gorilla because it was just extended up, just like a cone almost, but not. You see in the video.

And it just wasn't startled. That's just what was weird. Every other animal you usually see in the woods is runs, shocks, freezes. It was none of that. It was calm. Yeah, its behavior reminds me much more of a human. The way it just kind of turned and looked at you,

then it was like whatever and went back to what it was looking at. And you're right. A normal animal, you would startle it. And this thing didn't seem to be startled at all. And Mike, I wanted to ask you, your portion of it, of what happened to you, is it in this area? Okay. My port is it's not even over there.

with him or where he was hunting. This, my deal happened in North Texas. We were about 20 miles from the Oklahoma border. It was a place called Bellevue, Texas. And I would go deer hunting up there with some relatives there every year. And this one particular year we get up there, we were actually staying in. The people we were hunting with had, it's kind of rolling hills up there, a lot of open area. just rolling hills with a lot of cattle in mesquite thickets and like scrub oaks but a lot of

mesquite tickets. So we get to their house and we're standing a camper basically out in the middle of a cow pasture and they had a pole out there which that's where we got our power and our water was out and it was all hooked up. We had power and water everything. So we stand out in the middle of this pasture and when we get there this particular year we get to the camper and the guy's wife comes over there and she, you know, we talked for a little while and she goes, oh hey by the way, y'all need to y'all be careful out here she goes we just we not long found a calf and it was skinned like skint out inside out and she goes we i don't recall of her telling me that anything like organs or meat was was missing off of the calf but it was just skinned inside out laying out in the pasture

and i'm like she's i mean don't you're only going to do that if he got hands. So on that note, so we proceed, we start our hunting stuff. And there was different areas that he would take us. So he would bring them to this one area and they would have three stands that we would be hunting. And they were about 200 yards apart. And when I say a stand, so the deer stands or box stands that were elevated about four or five foot off the ground. So this one particular area, there was three in a row by 200 yards apart.

So he puts me out at the first one and then the next two guys go to the next one. So it was on an afternoon. I'm making an afternoon hunt. And he goes, look, you just walk across the edge of this cow pasture, just follow the edge of the woods. And you're going to get to a right away that cuts through the woods. It was a power line, these huge tall power lines that cut right through the mesquite thicket. And he goes, you turn in on that power line. line right away and he goes, we walk down that right away and you're going to walk right to the

box stand. I'm like, okay. So I get down there and I'll get to the right away. I'm walking down it. And it's about the width of the right away was almost, I'm going to just say it was about 20 yards across. That's as wide as it was, 20, 30 yards across. So I'm walking down there, walking, walking. I get to the box stand, I get in it. And I got words to thick it to my left and kind of a thicket to my right and I noticed on my right also at the edge of the thicket, I could see what looked like a little levee. So it was a pond right there. And then in front of me, I could just see like an open, like a little pasture area in front of me. So I'm making my afternoon hunting. A little while later, I see a bobcat comes out. So shoot the bobcat, went out there, got him, drug him,

put him underneath the stand. I get back in it, so I continued hunting. And a little later on, some dose came. So I shot at one of the dose and she ran off. I saw where she went. So I'm waiting until it gets dark. I'm going to go look and see if I can find some blood or something. So a little while before dark, I noticed I'm like, man, I could smell something. I'm like, what's that smell?

And I just, I couldn't quite grasp it, but it was kind of strong. And I'm like, man, what was that? It hung there for a little while, then it was gone. So anyway, it gets dark. I get down. I go out toward the front of the stand and I go look. I could never find no blood. So I'm like, okay, I look, look.

I said, I'm going to come back after a while. I'll bring one of the guys with me and we're just going to double check me, you know, make sure that I apparently didn't miss or whatever. So I grabbed the bobcat from under the stand. I turn around and I'm walking back out down this 20, 30 yard wide right away back toward the pasture where I came in. So I get about halfway down that, I'm just gonna call it a trail.

I get about halfway down before I get to the pasture. And the trail was kind of flattened and it like dipped down and then it would like come back up and then you would get toward the pasture. So I get toward where it dips down. And I was like, God, dang. It was the same smell that I was getting from the stand, but way stronger.

And here's the weird part. You, it wasn't like you walked into it and you gradually started smelling it. It's like, oh, it kind of smells something. And then it gets stronger. It wasn't that way. This, it was weird. It was like you walked into this wall of this smell.

Like you opened the door and it hit you. And I walked about, I'm just gonna say 10 feet and I walked out of it like a wall. You was in it and out it. It was no gradual. were getting away from it. It was like, that was the weird part. And I'm like, what the hell is that?

And if you asked me, well, because I know, you asked me, would it smell like the best way I could explain to this, it smelled like a stockyard. So I just, and I didn't sit there and go, oh, that's a big foot or not. Because my mind, you know, especially back then, my mind just didn't work that way. I was aware of big foots and all that, but that did. So I just, I'm like, okay. I'm out of here. I kept going walking. I'll get all the way back to the fence across the pasture.

I get to the fence where they're going to pick me up and my cousin met me there. He was at the next stand down. So he met me at the fence. I didn't tell him or said, hey man, I got a bobcat. You know, I shot at the dough. I said, it's going to be a little bit for the fellow was going to come pick us up. I said, you want to come walk back down in there with me and we'll look to see if we can find some buddy. He goes, oh, yeah, man. So I left the bobcat there and kept my gun on my rifle on my shoulder and we walk back down in there we get to that right away walking back down that trail and we get to that bottom a little bottom area and there well it's it hits and he goes dude you smell that and i'm like yeah i said i didn't want to tell you nothing i'm just and it was

still there still is strong and he goes bro it smells like a like a sailborne and if you know what a sale barn is it's where people bring a lot of cattle and hogs and just livestock for auction. He goes, brutz, it smells like a damn cell barn. So we walk in there, we went and we went look for the, to see if we could find blood, never find no blood from the deer. So apparently I missed it. So we turn around, walking back out, the smell is still there, strong as hell. At that point, when we get back to the, you know, I never, we never, we never,

heard anything. I mean, I shone my light in the ticket right there where I could never see anything, never heard nothing. So we get back to the fence and we talk and I said, that's the point where I was like, bro, I think that might, it might be a big foot hanging around and he obviously he's laughing at me. Still to this day, I mean, he just, he just don't believe in and he just make fun of me. But I said, dude, I'm telling you. And he's like, dude, that's, that's some damn, it's a hog, it's hogs that came through there. And I'm like, you got to understand this. This was probably almost 20 years ago that this happened at this point, probably 17 years ago. And back then, especially in North Texas, they didn't have the hogs like they do nowadays.

They were not there. And toward the end of the years where we stopped hunting up there, the hogs did finally move in, but they did not have them then. And I've been, I've killed hogs. I've been around a trail or full of them that were caught. and we would kill them and clean them and wild hogs and they didn't smell that strong they didn't smell like that

you know I've been right up against dead ones I've been with Havilinas which is your South Texas version of a hog and they got a little musky smell when you get close to them but it sure as hell wasn't like this and I've been hunting all my life and you know I've never seen a Bigfoot

personally but to me I think there was one hanging there now the rest of that story goes one of my other cousins who was also there was hunting in that middle stand one afternoon so like I said there was three in a row he was hunting in the middle one which was up 200 yards from the one where

the smell hit me that night so he's hunting on an evening hunt he ends up shooting a little buck shoots it kills it and it got dark on him so he's out there in the dark by himself and he's waiting for the fella to go get him and once he gets back to

the camp he starts telling me he's like hey might he said uh this this was during the rut and for people that don't know where the rut is that's when you know the bucks are chasing the doze it's mating season for the for the deer at that time when we were there and a lot of times when bucks are chasing those they they they make this grunt and sound like brach rap rap kind of kind of thing i've never obviously been hunting you don't hunt deer at night so to tell you how much that goes on at night, but it does go on during the daytime. I'm sure it's a lot less at night. So he asks him, he goes, man, the bugs grown at night. And I'm like, well, I'm thinking they do, bro, but, you know, he goes, because man, I went to go get my deer. And he said, there was something

out there. And he said, I could never see it. But he said it was loud. And it was just like this, bra, brach. And he said, and this guy's been hunting, very experienced hunter, been hunting all his life. He goes, and he's heard deer grunt. I think he was just kind of trying to feel me on, he goes, it scared the hell out of me. And he said, I hurried up. I grabbed my deer and it was about 100 yards for him to get to his gate. And he said, I drug it back to the gate. And he said, man, he said, Ricky couldn't come quick enough to pick me up. He said, it scared me. So if you want to know what my opinion is, I think it was that same thing from 200 yards down that whether, you know,

I'm sure if they're hearing shot, it's a rifle shot, but probably knew there was a dead deer there. And it was probably maybe coming to try and take it, see what was going on. But I think it was that same thing that I smelled. And he never, he didn't lay eyes on it,

but he's this weird sound that he heard, you know. So that's kind of, you know, my story on what happened up there in North Texas. Let me ask you, Mike. I mean, you and Joe are experienced guys out there, and you pull up to this ranch. And she starts telling you this story about this calf that was killed and it was skinned inside and out. If you don't believe in Bigfoot, the only other thing that would do that would be a poacher. And I don't see a poacher doing that.

I mean, a cat's not going to do that. I don't think you guys have bears. Do you guys have bears in northern Texas? there was not bears up there and as far as it meant this this was so rural his closest neighbors and when I say close a half a mile would be his his parents and this is very rural and could it be a poacher yeah but I'm not sure I would understand with the point in poaching a calf and just skinning it um shooting it leaving it just to shoot it leave it maybe if you're a poacher I could maybe

understand that, but to skin one inside out, like that part I would not understand. Yeah, you would burn up a lot of time on someone's property. I mean, what's the point on skinning the animal, especially a calf on someone else's property? You know, most poachers I know, I don't know, personally, most poachers I've ran into, they're hunting, but it's out of season. And they're actually eating it. So I don't like a poacher in like the United States means the same thing is like, you know, people hunting game in Africa or, you know, poaching elephants or it's the same word, but I think it has a different meaning because, like I said, I've run into poachers, but it's always out of season and they're killing to eat. It's not just killing to

kill. Not that I agree with it. And you know, I have family and friends in Dallas in the Dallas area and I go down there a lot. I'll probably be down there sometime this year before it gets too hot, but you sneak on someone's property in northern Texas and you shoot their calf, they're going to shoot you. I mean, the people in North Tech, they will shoot you if you go on their property and kill their calf. Exactly. You will get shot. And again, if you're going to be a poacher and you're going to do something like that, this is just my opinion that you're going to Typically, that person is going to do it from a vehicle. And if you're going to do something dumb like that,

they're going to shoot it from the vehicle, kill it. If that's just their intent and then just, they're going to take off and leave. You're not going to, you're not going to shoot it or just, because she didn't say anything about bullet wounds. You know, she said this thing was, it was just skin inside out. Like it wasn't, she didn't mention, you know,

and her husband's, they've lived there all their lives. And they had never seen anything like this. Yeah, it really doesn't make sense. Did you ever follow up with her as far as like, he did anything else ever happen on that property? No, and I never really talked to her that often. She just never came around much. Mostly it was Ricky, the fella.

And man, you know, all the years we hunted up there, he never, ever. And he was a pretty straightforward guy. I think if he would have heard something or saw something, he would have definitely have told us. And the only thing that ever came out of his mouth about something like that, it was just a joke he was playing. There were some fellas that would stay right behind his house in a tent.

And they were from further South Texas, but they would come up there and pay him to hunt. And they would go up there staying tents, and they were hunting the area, kind of behind where our camper was. They had some tickets back in there, and Ricky, he was letting them hunt back there. And he just said, one, he said, man, them guys were some spooky fellas.

He said, I told him, you know, never go around the, creek back there and he said one night I went and messed with them in their tent and I said man that's a good way to get killed and people get scared they're going to start shooting and he goes yeah he said I thought about that after that probably wasn't a good idea but he was just messing with them guys just as far as that little bit went but he never led on to us that there was anything that he had ever saw nothing like nothing let me ask you Joe I know that you're an experienced guy just like Mike. And, you know, when eyewitnesses report this smell, it's 99% of the time exactly how Mike describes it. You walk into it, take a couple steps, and you walk out of it, which is weird,

because that's not really how smell works. You know, it's like, oh, something stinks and you're looking for it, looking for it. And as you get closer to whatever stinks, the smell gets worse. this isn't how this smell works at all it's exactly how mike describes it being kind of an experienced guy out there what's your take on that when you hear people walk in and out of this smell the two stories i've heard from my family i said it was a local where we hunt at in louisiana the story that they had there was a smell with their account with bigfoot and like they said it was a smell they couldn't explain. And their story was, and it was this was, this would have probably been in the 20s or the 30s. It was an older guy's uncle had an experience with one. And the one he's seen actually said he was walking through the woods, whatever he's seen. And he said it was a female, actually had a dead hog under its arm as it was walking.

And then I think it was my daddy's uncle, which I didn't know the guy because they would have been long dead by the time I was around. he had an encounter with one and it had a smell. And, you know, the stories are too far back to remember them now. But that's the two other stories I've heard in my life. But back to my story, I made friends with some locals up there in the first couple of years. So these people I got a 20-something year relationship with, when I got back to town from my experience, her name's Ms. Pam. I told Ms. Pam, I said, Ms. Pam, I seen a big foot. And all she did was smile and she goes, yeah, we know they're up there.

And she said, we get plenty of stories, plenty of people see them. And I kind of like, you really don't want to tell nobody because of the jokes of this and that. And she kind of understood it. But she reassured me and still to this day we talk about it that they're up there because they live there. And it happened about 45 miles south of their houses where it happened. And her and her husband, there is no doubt in their mind what I told them and showed them. the videos that, yeah, you saw what you saw. Mine had no smell.

I didn't smell anything out of the normal. And there might have been a downwind thing. But it's just crazy. I know what I've seen. Can't explain it. You know, when I see what I've seen, I kind of got shook up and, you know, I just felt real weird. It's kind of like sick feeling.

And I don't know why that came over me. It's hard to explain. Yeah, you know, after seeing the same, Did it change your opinion as far as going out there hunting? I guess it really wasn't aggressive. It just kind of looked in your direction and looked away. But how did it affect you as far as wanting to go back out there? Or did it?

I'm going to tell you what it actually did to me. I've always been afraid of the woods. And I mean, since I was hunting, my first time, deer hunting on my own where somebody said, here, get right here to stand 300 yards down. That's on the left in the tree. from that point on to probably that encounter I have always been

afraid in the woods you know when I got on the stand I lifted my feet up so they went hanging off into the dark you know when I walked out I shined my flashlight

I would talk to myself like I was two people I was always afraid of the woods and I'm not really afraid of the woods I was afraid of running into somebody and just you don't I'm more afraid of people in the woods than anything I've seen mountain lions

I've seen bears they really don't scare me But I found after the encounter, I really have no more fear in the woods. I've lost my fear. I can stay on a tree till 10 o'clock at night and walk out with a flashlight and I don't have the fear anymore. And I don't know if that encounter reassured me that I'm okay. But no. But before that point, I was really afraid of the woods.

Now in my tent at night, because we tent camp in Colorado, we hear things. And we had a friend about two or three years ago videoed one night in his tent. He was scared. And you get hit the rocks clacking. Cacao! Cacao! And it went 360 degrees around our campsite. And I've heard things walking around our campsite at night.

And I've had a cow step on my tent one night, a cattle cow. So we get weird things like that happen. And we find formations in the woods with something stacked rocks up, of stacked weird things up and just random. And I've got pictures of that somewhere as it be to find them. But we find things in the woods that just, just little weird things that are unique and they're stacked up perfectly. And how do you, how do you point that off, pack rats or what done it?

You know, just some crazy things like that. But no, I do not have any more fear in the woods since that encounter. Yeah, well, it definitely sounds positive, which is a good thing. I ask everyone on the show what do you think Sasquatch is? What do you think, Joe? What do you think that these things are? I got a brother that's real smart

and he's real versed in the Bible and a lot of people, and I'm probably going to say it wrong, revert us back to nebulins. Neuflans. And I did some research on that. I don't think they of this world, if you want my opinion,

after doing research and I think that from a different dimension, it sounds crazy, different dimension, you know, they just appear, they're there. I don't know, but I really don't know, but I've seen what I've seen, can't explain it. And what sucks is when you see them and it's hard to talk to somebody about it because of the joking and a laughing. Some people like Mike, I'm glad Mike called me that night when he saw that I posted it at one time. There's somebody that you can talk to that's not going to be the other side.

Man, you're crazy. What you were smoking. I don't drink. I don't do drugs, you know, and I'm a normal person. And I got to live with this. That's the hardest part. I got to live with what I seen. Because even when we was at a function last night and when I brung it up that this was going to happen today, there's a million questions. And then you get questioned on everything that you say.

And then all you can revert to back is I seen what I seen. And I can't explain it. And I'm not a religious person. And my brother pretty much explained it the best. and when you read it, you know, maybe that's what we're seeing. And I listen to Clear Channel at night and listen to a lot of stories. And a lot of people revert back to nebulins or whatever you call them. Yeah, the Nephilim.

What makes you think it's an interdimensional creature? Not that I disagree with you, but what makes you feel that way? Because of everybody's encounters kind of like the same, you know. Where did it come from? Nobody else sees them. They never on game cameras, which everything's, on game cameras, you know. They're never on game cameras. Everybody's videos blurry. Mine's pretty clear compared to everybody else's. And, you know, I've been in the woods my whole life.

I've covered thousands of miles. And I come across this one one time. No, I never seen a foot track, a print. I've seen, I've had seen things makeshift shelters made in the woods. I've got some pictures of those that I find. You might want to see that. If I could dig some of those up, I'll get them the mic to send to you. I have seen stuff like that. That's unexplainable.

But I don't think they of this world. That's the only way I can explain why you can't catch them. You can't see them. Nobody's ever got one. Nobody's ever wrong one forward. They got to be interdimensional or some, you know, they just appear when they appear. Yeah, there's a lot of weird things that go on.

And sometimes in people's encounters with these creatures. and it makes me wonder what they are. You know, you come across any other animal on the planet and they're going to probably flee from you. And when it comes to predators, if they don't flee, you're in trouble. And I think out of all my years hunting, I've only come across one black bear

and it was by mistake. But it wanted nothing to do with me. Thank God, because I would have lost that battle. And I didn't realize black bears could move that quick. You know, we were talking earlier about this thing's behavior of just kind of looking over in your direction and looking back at the tree line, it almost sounds more human-like than any other animal I've ever run into. It had no worries of me at all.

There was no shock in the face. There was no shock in the body language. I was shocked a little, you know. Like I said, I dropped my GPS on the ground to grab my phone. And you're trying to play this quick in your head. What am I looking at? What am I looking at? What am I looking at?

It had no concern of me. And almost every video you see, there is no concern of the human once the encounter happens. They acknowledge and they just kind of walk off or do what they do. Now, I'm the one that kind of briskly ran off, but it never left. And I've been back to that spot to try to find the exact same spot because I had the GPS trail,

but I never could find exactly where it was sitting at because they did do some log in there and the trees are different the next time I went. You know, Joe, through all your experience of being out in the woods, have you ever seen these balls of light that we talk about on the show? It was there in New Mexico, we've seen some lights that I can't explain. There was three lights in a triangle shape, and this is totally different from what we're talking about now. But we had a witness, you know, I had a thermoscope with me, and we cannot pick these lights up on the thermoscope, which I can get a 747 at 40,000 feet with my thermoscope.

And that's the only light experience I've ever had. I've never had anything in the woods likewise. I've anything else that's ever happened in the woods. I've never ran across a smell that kind of scared me. I've heard noises. I've heard screams. I've heard things like that over the years that, you know, I wrote them off as coyotes or boxes or cats. But no, I've I've never seen lights. I have seen things stacked that, like I said, those things I find like somebody positioned things for you to find it. Yeah, a person could have done it.

But I found things like that. And I found shelters that were made. I probably found shelters four times in my life. Kind of like a lean to a person would make, but more rough. Like a person would take a saw and cut trees and branches and shape them and try to geometrically make it look like if you will stick building a house. These things were like, they just grabbed whatever they can grab and kind of just stacked them up into like a pyramid or tippy Tee-P style just for like a quick shelter. There was nothing that was humanly cut, but it was definitely strategically stacked.

Let me ask you, Mike, kind of going back to your encounter for a moment, what do you make of that smell of you walking into it and walking out of it? I have not I have not ever smelled anything like that before and what do I think it is and why do some people smell them and some some don't I think it's possibly that it's maybe something they put off when they are unsure or something

or if they get scared or maybe they're scared and it's I don't want to say almost like a skunk does when they're threatened or scared or something they spray they just may be able to emit this and they don't smell like that all the time. I really, that's my best guess on it. I don't know.

But like I said, I've been around a lot of hogs in my life and I ain't ever one smelled like that, especially that strong. They didn't have the hogs up there like they do nowadays. It just, they weren't around. And something else I couldn't explain that, not that this would be, I wouldn't think it'd be big for it related because it'd be, I mean, I know they're supposed to be fast, but I don't know. But when we first started hunting up there, we'd be driving down these country roads,

or either early in the morning or in the dark coming back after the hunt. Those country roads were loaded with rabbits, loaded with cottontail rabbits. The first couple of years we went, and then it just seems like toward the end, you know, in the middle or toward the end, when we stopped going up there hunting, if you saw one, you were lucky. and I don't know if that would be more attributed to, you know, the coyote explosion population, but which I didn't see it personally,

you know, hunting. I mean, we would see a few here and there. I just thought that was something that was odd, like the rabbits vanished. It was odd, man. Because like I said, those roads were covered in them first couple of years.

But yeah, as far as, you know, smelling anything like that in years, Pat, you know, I've heard some weird stuff. Like Joe was just saying, I've heard some, you know, I guess I could call it a scream. No, this was not up there. I do, we do a awful lot of hunting in Mississippi.

I'd say about 30 minutes east of Natchez. We do a lot of hunting. I've heard some stuff, you know, on our place that, in broad daylight now, not in the dark. And you just coming, it would be coming through the woods and it would just this high pitch, and it would just keep going. And you could tell it, it was not in one spot. It was moving through the woods. It's just this high pitch.

I just kind of wrote it off because, you know, I do believe in Bigfoot, obviously, but I'm not one of those guys that like everything I hear or see, that's got to be a Bigfoot. That's not me. I don't, I just don't operate like that. But so I kind of wrote those things off as, man, that could be a Bobcat or we got a lot of great foxes. Because it wasn't nothing that like rumbled my chest or went right through me to sound, you know, but it was pretty loud and it was weird, something that I didn't hear often. That's for sure.

That's kind of the only experiences that I've ever had, you know, on my place in Mississippi. I know, I'm sure you've seen this video. And this video came from about probably 30 minutes from where we're hunting up there. It was in the homo chita forest. And this guy walked up on one and it was kind of in a swampy area. And it was stooping down. I think the guy might have been hog hunting. It was in daylight.

And the thing was stooping down and had an old rotten tree in front of it. it was kind of in the water it was old cypress tree and the the big foot was peeling the bark of it like he was trying to get in there digging stuff or grubs or whatever and then when the thing stood up the guy took off running i know you had to have seen that video but that was very close to where we hunt it was in the uh in the homo chita forest in mississippi now i've talked to uh actually a game warden uh up there about two weeks ago just to feel him out man i said man if these guys if if anybody, if they heard some stories, they're gonna know.

So I asked him, and he was just, I don't think he was hiding anything from me. He said, he's grown up there. He said, I've never seen nothing, you know, in my life. But he said, there was one story where a man that told me that he had one behind his house. And he didn't elaborate on it. He just said, yeah, I talked to a guy not too long ago,

said he thinks he's gone behind his house from, you know, rooting around back there. And that was the only Bigfoot story he could tell me. he did tell me that I was just telling Joe this earlier. He said he was standing on the edge of a, not to get off the Bigfoot subject, but this is UFO related. He was,

him and a coach was standing on the edge of a football field by a school. And it was dark, but he said, you know, they had the stadium lights and stuff. And he said there was this, I don't know, 40 foot tree line,

party foot high tree line right in front of them. And he said, all of a sudden they could see this object coming over the top of the trees. And he said, you could tell it was moving because it was over the tree. so you could tell it wasn't just sitting there. It was actually moving, but it was very, very slow. And he said it was triangular shape,

and it was either black or very dark in color. And he said it was humongous. He didn't give me a scale, but he just said this thing was freaking huge. And he said, as it come over the top of the trees, he said, there was no sound, no sound from this thing at all. And he said, you know, a lot of people tell,

yeah, they see them and they just, they take off and they're gone. He said, not this one. He said it just like it evaporated. It was gone. And he said they both saw it. But I just thought that was weird.

That is interesting. And I appreciate you sharing that, Mike. Have you ever seen the balls of light when you've been out in the woods? I haven't. Now, my dad, now this happened when I was just a little boy. So my daddy and a good friend of his

was frog in one night now. We live in South Louisiana. So there's a lot of marsh out here. So they was in some duck ponds one night, and they were frog and catching frogs. And it was in a little mud boat. So they're going along and he said, oh, a sudden out of nowhere, they're just, he didn't say it had a shape to it as in like a triangle or nothing like that. He said it was like a ball of light, but he said it was huge, big.

And he said it'd come out over the pond where they were. And he said it was whatever, five, you know, five, ten foot off the water. And he said, it was following him. he said they would move in the boat as they frog it and he said it was following them and they would stop it would stop and they'd take off again and it would take off and it just kept doing that and he said it did it for for quite a while and he said the next thing you know kind of like i was just telling you this one didn't evaporate he said it just it just shot off into the sky and it was gone that's the only ball of light story i have i haven't seen anything like that personally

Yeah, you know, Mike, you were talking about one of those creatures. It was on video where it's kind of in a swamp and it's tearing apart the bark on a tree. I remember the first time I watched that. I was like, that's real. That's one of them. And it's interesting that it's in an area where you guys hunt. Let me ask you, what do you think, Sasquatch is? What's your take?

Yeah, so I've got a lot of things on that, man. I've always believed in them all my life. probably the first time I ever saw anything big for related would have been I guess in the 70s when I was a little kid the Patterson Gimlin film it was like coming to a they must have made a little short movie about it because it was coming to a movie theater and down here where we live so that was my first thing on and I can remember me asking my dad about it my daddy said he never said oh that's not real he just said oh that's that's over there in northern California we ain't got that over here I guess he was trying to not scare me because we we hunted you know so then as years went on like I said that always believed in it. And then in the past 10 years, I really started reading more on it and watching all these, you know, now with the internet,

there's so much information. And then a lot of years ago was when I came across your site. And I just, it was, your site for what it was, I was always my favorite. I just kept, because there's a lot of them now, but I always kept going back to, you know, your show. And I learned a lot from it.

So as far as, you know, once you start, reading in the Sasquatches, it's not just like it's a big, there's so much to this deal, man, because you got all the cloak and stuff where they look like, they can be like the predator movie, where it's pixelated, right? I don't know what that's about. Can they turn it on and turn it? Or is that just another creature that just stays in?

I don't know. I do think they flesh and blood, my honest opinion. I know they bleed because of all the stories I read and there's enough stories out there where people have shot them and there was blood. So can they be from out of, can they be part of the UFO thing? Very possible because a lot of people say they see unidentified like flying saucers or whatever you want to call it UFOs or they see lights and then these things appear. So could there be some correlation with that?

Yeah, absolutely, I think. I mean, because nobody knows. Are they living, are they living, all living in caves or underground? Well, I know a lot of Mississippi don't have caves. So where are these things there, where are they going during the day? Why are they not seen more? Because there's a lot of sightings in Mississippi, man.

I'm talking a bunch. I really don't know what these things do, where they stand all the time, because it ain't just one, there's several of these things. And I think they're more on the, could it be like a human ape cross? I'm gonna say there's a good chance on that.

I think they're more on our end than the ape in. I think they're actually more, from everything I'm seeing. in and reading, I think they're more intelligent than when you are, for one thing. They can do more things like with the infrasound thing. And I think that's probably what happened to Joe and him not even realizing it because he was telling him how nauseous, he said, bro, after the fact, not like instantly. Like after the fact, he goes, dude, I got so nauseous.

And I'm like, I don't even know if I mentioned infrasound to him at that point. But I was like, you probably got hit with it and didn't even know it. So yeah, I think they're more on a human line. Would they are nobody? You got to watch how you see when you say nobody knows because I think somebody out there knows. I think the government knows all about these things and they have been for a long time. They probably have them. Not only just dead bodies, but who knows, man?

They may have Lomian. I don't know what they're doing. But I guarantee they know these things exist. There's a million reasons. I mean, I can understand why they don't want to. to just come out and say, hey, man, you know, Bigfoot's a real. And what that would do to the economy is crazy. It's going to, it's going to trash everything. Nobody's going to want to go in the woods. So that goes your hunting industry. All your national parks, nobody's going to want to go out

there. They're going to have to stop logging, you know, because they're going to try and protect these things. Now you've got a smart, humanoid thing out there that's, so they're going to protect all these, so all the logging industry's gone, because these things are everywhere. I mean, it's going to, it would trash everything if you think about it. It would crash the economy. Yeah, I think the opposite would happen. You know, if I said, here's a GPS location of a family group. Are you guys going to say no?

Are you guys going to be like, yeah, let's go check it out? And I'm not saying to shoot one. I'm just saying because the curiosity of it, I think the public's curiosity of being, hey, let's go see one would overtake the fright of, never going in the woods again. I'm never doing this again. And when it comes to the lumber industry, I guess it depends on what kind of an animal this thing is, if it is a normal natural animal. And I could be wrong. I mean, to your point, Mike, I mean, you could be a 100% right. And I do think that they're very physical. You know, if you took Mike's theory and combined it with yours,

you both could be right. Right. I mean, and it depends on, There's going to be both sides of society. Some of them's going to be curious and going to, oh, I'm going to want to go check it out. Some of them's going to want to try and kill it. That's obvious. But then you're going to have the ones that are scared. You know, and they're not going to go nowhere.

Because if anybody does any kind of reading and you see how many missing people are in these national parks, and I'm talking about a lot of people. Anywhere from kids to grownups, there's a lot of people come up missing in national parks. and in just in the woods in general, but national parks a lot. So can you attribute all that to Bigfoot? Absolutely not.

I mean, some of it's going to be weather-related. Some people just get lost or whatever or get hurt, you know, fall down or clear, whatever, you know, and they just end up dying out there. But so the effects of it could go out of the way, but I mean, I think a lot of people that come up missing out there is because of these things, not all of them. But I think a lot of them.

And I also think that Bigfoots are like people in a way as far as the sense that you got good people and you got bad people, meaning you got murderers. So on Bigfoot, I think it's the same thing. They're not all the same. They don't all look the same. And they got different personalities. Some of them are friendly. And some of them, I think, you get them in the wrong and they will kill you. Now, what do they do, do they actually eat you?

I don't know all that. But do I think some of them will kill? you absolutely. Yeah, like I said, you could be right. I mean, it's one of those things. I think it would crash economy if it was a normal, natural animal

out there running around. But I don't think that's why it's being covered up. And you kind of said it earlier. So you think it's more of something that leans more closer to us than an animal? I do, man.

I do. I think they have a lot more towards us than an animal. They have their own language. We don't understand it. And is it something that old or ancient? I don't know what it is. Some of the best ones that I've heard are,

I think it was from the 60s with, it's from Northern California, I think in the Sierra's. The Sierra sounds, is that it? Yeah. The Ron Moorhead stuff where you can hear them, man, the voices are weird. So, I mean, they have their own language.

just, I don't know, man. I just think they're, and they can avoid it. I think they've studying us more than we studying them, if you want my honest opinion. If you've been in the woods long enough, even though you've never seen one, I guarantee you they've seen you. That's just my opinion on it. Yeah, I agree with you, Mike. I think they've been watching us more than we've been watching them. And it's been a real pleasure having both of you guys on. And Joe, thank you for coming on and if you would send that video i'd sure appreciate it yeah while we was sitting here i found a couple of those shelter pictures and i'm going to go back on some older phones and try to find some of the other ones that were shaped like tps but uh we'll keep in touch it's pretty neat

yeah thank you again joe and thank you mike for coming on and kind of setting this whole thing up today like i said i really enjoyed chatting with both of you yep but thank you west and that's it for everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.