Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1251 Fifteen Yards Away From It

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

A listener writes "My name is Timothy, and I want to say how much I enjoy your show and appreciate the work you do. I'm a Seminole Native American who grew up in South Florida, right next to the Everglades. Over the years, I've had several paranormal experiences. One of the most striking happened in April 2021, when I had a clear, close encounter no more than 15 yards away with what I believe was a Sasquatch, or what locals call a Skunk Ape. I was out riding my four-wheeler in the woods at the time. After that, I had a few more unusual experiences in the same area with friends, though I'm not entirely sure if those were related to Bigfoot. I've also been involved in what I later realized was a demon summoning ceremony, during which I experienced some disturbing paranormal activity. More recently, at the beginning of December, a friend and I heard a distinct wood knock, followed by the sound of something moving toward us from the other side of the woods. And just today, while riding along the reservation line, I came across a set of three-toed tracks. These experiences have stayed with me, and I thought they might be of interest to you."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the bed. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? What of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now? Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-uh. Yeah, this is the macho man, and you're listening to the cream of the crop. Yeah.

Podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles. Here comes. Welcome to the show. Tonight we'll be speaking with Tim, and Tim is a part of the Seminole tribe. He grew up in South Florida, and back in April of 2021, while riding his four-wheeler in the woods, he rode up on a Sasquatch. Tim had made the comment to me that he was kind of going through the roll-decks in his mind trying to figure out what he was actually seeing. And while in this same area, Tim had another strange experience, including finding a trackway,

very large tracks that had three toes. And I'll let Tim go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email. My email. address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. There's no commercials on those either. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Tim to the show. Tim, thanks for coming on. Hey, Wes, thanks for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And if you would, tell us a little bit about yourself and kind of your thoughts about Bigfoot before this incident that happened to you in April of 21. Yeah, I'm out here and I'm a member of the Seminole Tribe out here in Florida,

South Florida. I live on a reservation out here, kind of out in the middle of nowhere. I've lived out here my entire life. I guess with just with Bigfoot, you know, kind of you grow up hearing stories, you know, ghost stories, that kind of thing, Bigfoot stories. And I never, you know, doubted their existence. So I always thought that they were real. But yeah. Well, if you would, would you take me back to April of 2021? What were you doing? And what happened? Yeah. So this encounter that happened in April about five years ago was my most definitive encounter. Like the one I can say for sure was Bigfoot. I was out riding on my forerler, ATV out in the south side of the reservation.

And if you look on a map, the south side of the reservation is just completely just woods. No one lives out in this side of the reservation. It's just woods. And it comes up right next to the Big Cypress National Preserve. So even once you get off reservation, it's just woods for miles and miles. And then you come up to the interstate I-75, Alligator Alley. and then past that it's just nothing but woods. So for just miles and miles and miles,

it's just a vast wilderness, just swamps and woods. But I was out riding in this area and the reservation, this southwest corner of the res. And I've been out there before, not too often. I mean, now I have been, but back when I started really like riding around in the woods, not too much in that section.

So I was trying to, you know, navigate my way through there. I knew the general area, but I didn't know some of the trails too well so I was just, you know, riding around looking and it was getting late. It was about 7 o'clock in the evening, so the sun was setting. I was riding along the west fence line

of the reservation. There's a border out in the woods. There's a fence line that runs the border of the reservation kind of like to let you know where you are. And like you're on the res and then once you get past this, you're off res. And, you know, it's about the fence is probably about seven feet tall with wire running along the entire length of it.

There's areas where there's no wire, almost like somebody moved it or it's just gone or just fell off. But I was riding along this. And up ahead of me on the trail, it got really swampy. And this, the April, that time of year, I guess this time, because it's April even now, it was, it's dry out there. There's a few spots where it can get muddy, but it's mainly dry at this time of So I was, you know, comfortable driving out there.

But this spot was really muddy. And I didn't know if I could, you know, get stuck or lose a four-iler because, you know, the people have lost their ATVs and side-by-sides out there, you know, just because of the mud and everything. So I, I cut off into this off the fence line. I cut off into a trail on my left side. I'm driving down this trail. As I'm going down this trail, you know, I'm listening to music. I'm enjoying myself, you know, just riding, having a good time.

And then the hair on the back of my neck stands up. And just out of nowhere, I get the sense of dread. And I get scared for like no reason. Like I said, I'm just riding and enjoying, you know, just the ride and the drive. And then I get scared out of nowhere. And I don't know if it was my self-conscious, like, you know, just my conscience speaking to me or whatever else. But I just, just this voice in the back of my head was just telling me, turn around. Go home, turn around, getting dark, getting late, go home, turn around.

But, you know, me being me kind of being stubborn, I was like, no, I'm okay. I know how to get out from where I'm at. So I kept going down this trail. And then eventually I went from the west border of the reservation to the south border, the south fence line and I come out to the fence line and I'm looking, I'm driving along it and there's, it's woods on both sides of me. I'm just completely enveloped in woods. And then it opens up into this clearing on my right side, the right side of me where the fence line is. And I look out there into this clearing. And he was just standing out there. It was

just standing out there this when when I saw it when I initially saw him I thought it was a bear me being me I'm trying to rationalize what I'm seeing so I think okay this is just a really big bear and when I saw just how he was standing you know because he had broad shoulders and standing really comfortably and I was like yeah and he was um he was brown he was a really a dark brown and I've seen black, we got black bears out here, but I've seen bears that are like a really dark brown so I thought maybe was that.

But because it was, this thing was too big. I thought, okay, it's not a bear. It's a dead tree. And the only reason I say that is because, like I said, the hair was dark brown and where what would I come to realize was its face

is it was lighter than the hair. So I thought what where its face was, it was a broken branch because you know how um in the inside of a tree the the the the barks like lighter than the outside yeah yeah and so that's what i thought i thought the where the face was that was just where a branch was broken off at and as i was looking at it now trying to figure out what i'm trying to i'm looking at trying to rationalize it it's facing me it kind of bends its head down and locks eyes with me and i

realize, oh no, that's a face. Those are two eyes looking at me. And he blinks because I know, I know their eyes because he blinks. That's a no. And I was thinking, that's a nose, that's a mouth. This is a big foot. This is a Sasquatch that I'm looking at right here. And we, um, we locked eyes for as the whole thing lasted maybe no more than five seconds. But I mean, I got plain as day. look at him and West, the thing, I don't know why this detail sticks out to me so much, but I just,

I just remember the sun kind of like shining off of his hair. I don't know why that sticks out to me, but like, because looking back, I might be thinking, I'm just like imagining it, you know, like it's in my head, but I don't know why the sun, the sun's light on the side of his head

and on his shoulder just like, stuck out to me like he was actually there you know he was interacting with nature you know the sun was on his shoulder and but no he was he was huge and when i when i realized what i was looking at and we looked at each other for a couple of seconds i turned my head and i start you know hauling butt out of there and unfortunately back back where i was at you can't drive too fast because like i said this is a trail and um in the summer summer months, this area gets really swampy, really muddy, underwater, basically. People take their swamp buggies out there. And so they'll drive around and they'll kind of like dig up the

ground. They'll get big ruts in the in the trails. So you kind of have to maneuver around them a little bit in some spot. So the fastest you could go comfortably, I would say is maybe about 25 without, you know, risking your flipping or anything like that. But I was going as fast as I could without wrecking. And, you know, I kept as I was going out this trail, this fence line, I kept thinking he's behind me. He's behind me. I'm going to turn around. He's going to be right there. He's going to grab me and he's going to kill me. And I kept looking back, nothing there. And eventually as I'm going along this fence line, it comes out to this forestry, I guess forestry road, the forestry guys use. I got onto that.

And of course, you know, you take that. You get back into the community. So I was going along this trail, basically. And even then, I was still thinking, he's right behind me. He's going to grab me. And I kept looking back, nothing there. Well, eventually, I get out into this dirt road, this main dirt road. And I'm driving along it.

And I'm still thinking he's right behind me. He's going to turn around. He's going to grab me. I keep looking back. Nothing there. And, and Wes, I was so scared that I even got to the edge of the community.

And now I'm on paved road. Now I'm passing houses. Now even cars are passing me. And I'm still thinking he's right behind me. He's going to grab me. And I keep looking back. Nothing there. And I get all the way down to the,

the street that I live on. and I turn down it and even then I'm still thinking he's right there he's right behind me and there's nothing there and so you know I get home I park my foreler I tell my dad what happened and my little brothers are there I tell them what happened and and then I started drawing you know kind of what I saw just trying to show them what I saw and I'm not the best I'm not the best artist so it kind of looked rough and I wish I still had the picture but I lost it You know, this happened five years ago. And, you know, and then after that happened, you know, it's nighttime.

So I go to, I try to sleep. And I'll be honest, Wes, I only slept like an hour that night just because I was so spooked. And the only, the hour I did sleep, I woke up just a noise outside. It was probably just, you know, like one of the dogs or something or a cat. but I woke up in a cold sweat from that and I was just shook up the entire night. Yeah, I would imagine you're probably still in shock at that point. And even if you believe in Bigfoot, it's a whole different thing actually seeing one. This thing was pretty close to you.

How far away was he? And what are some details that kind of stand out to you? Man, Wes, here's the kind of scary part. he was maybe 15 yards from me, not far at all. And the biggest thing that stuck out to me was just, you know, how big this thing was. Because, you know, I hear stories of, you know, skunk apes out here and everything. And a lot of people, you know, I guess the thing I hear a lot is they're not as big as like the ones and like where you're at, you know, the Pacific Northwest or anywhere else. You know, they say they're, the skunk apes are kind of smaller.

but this one was huge. He was big. If I had to put a height to it, he was probably almost eight feet tall, at least. Yeah, the reports in the Pacific Northwest might be a little bit bigger,

but my attitude is once you run into something, seven or eight feet tall, what does it really matter if they're running into ones nine or ten feet tall in Washington? It's kind of like comparing apples to apples. What did your dad say when you got home? The funny thing is he doesn't really believe in Bigfoot.

I mean, he thinks maybe they could be out there, maybe not. Whenever I came into the house, he was on the couch watching TV, and I told him, you know, Dad, I saw Bigfoot, you know, I just saw him out there. his response was after I told him everything was well you better not go out there by yourself anymore that was pretty much it your dad sounds a lot like my father that sounds like something my father would say

you know you were pretty close to this creature did you smell anything no that's the thing because like you know that's the that's the iconic thing about the skunk cape right is the smell right and supposed to have a smell I didn't smell anything I would like to say this creature's behavior surprises me, but it really doesn't. I mean, I can see it just standing there being like, what in the world are you doing here?

What do you make of its behavior? Because it must have heard you coming up on that four-wheeler. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't know, because like you said, their behavior is so weird because, you know, these are things that try to, I guess, in general, just try to be elusive, not be seen. he was just standing out in that field like he didn't take off he was just standing there it was almost like he was expecting me like he wasn't caught off guard by it the thing that caught me with the face the most was his eyes he had large eyes kind of not spaced out but like you know like a decent decently apart they weren't close close together they're kind of farther out

and I don't know the eyes seem they weren't animal eyes you know what I mean like you know how animal eyes kind of have that look to them yeah I think I know what you mean like it wasn't just your normal average predator that you're looking at there was something more to it yeah they kind of like they kind of seemed more humanesque if I could say that they kind of had like a there was an intelligence there and I know the sun is actually setting I don't know how light it is it is. out there, but did you notice his facial expressions changed all? It was about 7 o'clock, so the sun was still out, like barely, but it was still there out. The expression I would say, he wasn't like angry. He wasn't showing no teeth or anything. Kind of like, like I said, like kind of like he was expecting me there. Just a calm, like, you're here. Yeah, kind of that stone face.

you know, beyond the eyes, and I get completely what you're saying about the eyes. But as you were looking at this saying, did you get the feeling you were looking at more of an animal beyond the eyes? Or did you get the feeling like it was some sort of weird ancient man? What was kind of your thoughts on its overall appearance? Honestly, I would fall more on the animal side. Yeah, that's interesting. Did you ever go back? a few times to that same spot, I took a picture of where the clearing was, where it happened.

And when I told my sister about what happened and I've told people, they get mad at me. They say, why did you take a picture of it? Why didn't you take a picture? I tell them, I said, look, the last thing I was thinking when I saw this thing was, let me pull my phone out and take a picture of this because it caught me off guard. But I've been to that spot a few times. man this had this had to be a year after it happened just about i think of november of 2022 i went out there with a couple of my my buddies because i told them what i've seen and

everything and they've you know heard stories and they tell me stories of people they they've um that's gone out there and seen stuff or heard stuff and um one of the things we're told in our culture is at night, don't make noise. Like you're not supposed to yell or shout or scream or play or anything like that. You're supposed to just be inside and go to bed, basically. Another thing they tell us is don't whistle. You're not supposed to whistle at night because that attracts spirits. And the same thing with a noise thing.

They say that attracts spirits. Another thing they say, this might be interesting to you. They say don't throw anything into the woods at night because something will throw what you threw in the woods right back at you. But anyways, we went out there one night. And of course, I told them, I said, I'm going to, I'm going to scream and yell and let's see if we get anything. So I screamed and I yelled and everything and made noise. And we're sitting out there and we're at another clearing. We're on another trail in my truck. And in the distance, maybe about 100 yards away in the tree line, we hear at something like it's talking.

like in the distance we can hear like chatter can't make it out but there's something talking in the distance and we're trying to you know make it out we're like you hear that and you're like we're all quiet in the truck and one of my buddies is like yeah sounds like someone's talking out there and right when he said that and west when this one i don't know if it was bigfoot related because once when he said yeah it sounds like someone's talking it turned into the talking turned almost into chanting. Like something started chanting out in the woods. Like it was like rhythmic like speech, rhythmic noise.

You know, that's when I said, okay, let's get out of here. And I started the truck up and we took off out of there. And that was the next encounter in that, or not encounter, but incident in that same area where I saw the big foot the first time. Yeah, the chanting part is kind of weird. the talking that you heard in the beginning I don't have it queued up at the moment but it's in the intro of my show the Sierra sounds

did it sound like the Sierra sounds I wouldn't say not like that specifically because you know how the the samurai chatter kind of sounds like more jumbled it was like someone was like talking in the distance like not like like like you know how they were like kind of like

it was like mumbled just like like constant like just um chatter it was just like someone having a conversation i don't know how to to differentiate it but that's what i thought at first is this are they is this like samurai chatter but it didn't sound like it was the chanting is kind of creepy could you make out what they were actually chanting no no i couldn't because like i said they were probably uh wherever this was maybe at least 100 yards where the truck was. But like I said, this was out in the woods, way out in the woods. And, you know, for someone to be chanting out there, you're looking to get, you know,

if you're trying to scare someone, you're going to probably get. Yeah, I'm kind of losing you a little bit there, Tim. If you would, tell me about these tracks that you found. Then I want to ask you about this weird ceremony that you attended. Oh man. Okay, yeah. So after the chanting encounter one, a couple weeks later, we went back out there with a few more people and, you know,

starting making noise and yelling, screaming, see if we could get anything. Where we were at, we were along the canal, so we were in like a more open area. We were along a big canal, one of the big canals in the community. It's still a remote area, but we were out there and screaming around, making noise. There's an abandoned house out there and abandoned, I guess, mobile home. And they had a street light that's still on. And in that light, whenever we made the noise, we were facing, we had our backs turn to that where that mobile home was along the canal. and

sorry this this one kind of freaks me out because I don't think this one was Bigfoot but we turn around and kind of look towards that mobile home

along the because it's right next to the woods and right where the light from that street lamp meets the woods there was something standing right above

right next to the right next to one of the trees and it was kind of like poking its head out and we were looking at it and this thing was probably maybe six feet if I had a guess six feet off the ground and it was poking

it poked its head out and right whenever I told my buddies there's something looking at us right there it went behind the tree but then it it poked its head out again and it kind of like kept doing that kind of like a peekaboo kind of thing. And the reason I say it,

I don't think it was a big foot because, I mean, at least for me, it didn't look like the one I saw. Because the one I saw kind of had like a conical kind of shape, like a cone head. I guess that's what they call it. But this one kind of seemed like,

just like a person. Kind of like, you know, I had a neck and a head. And it was kind of like playing peekaboo. with us a little bit. And that's when we got kind of creeped out. And I was like, okay, let's go. And as we were leaving the canal,

we were going along the dirt road. We get away from the light and everything. We leave that area. My friend is in the back seat and he looks back behind us. And he says, Tim, look, there's a light. And I was like, what do you mean? There's a light. He said, look.

And when I look, whatever he was looking at, disappeared. And I said, what did you see? He said, there was a ball of light and then it just, it was just gone. And it's like, are you sure? He's like, yeah, I'm sure. I saw there was a ball of light on the road and it just disappeared. And so then that's when I was like, okay. And that was one of the last times we kind of poked around out there. There was another time. So the next time we went out there. This time we went all the way to the south fence line. And this trail we were on is actually part of the Florida Trail.

If you look on a map, it's, you can see the Florida Trail comes up right to the reservation and it. It keeps going up. And we were right there on that Florida Trail. And, you know, I go out, we go out there. I back the truck up so where, so to where the back of my truck is facing the fence. or where the gate is technically. And I'm facing the back of my truck's facing south. Front of my truck is facing north.

To the east side, to my right, there was kind of tree cover. And to the west side, there was a massive clearing that went along this fence. Like I said, there was a trail that goes along the fence. And we had, you know, scream, you know, we did what we did, you know, scream. yell and shout, see if we get anything. And this happened, this one was probably about close to midnight when we went out there. And this time we had our spotlights. And so we were just sitting there listening.

We hear, you know, owls go off behind us to the, I guess, southeast. So behind me, we hear like a, it's in the distance. And I don't know if it was an owl or not. it didn't really sound like an owl almost like it almost sounded like something made a shout like a just like a like a yell and then so we were listening to that for a little bit trying to see if we get anything else nothing you know it's just quiet the um the woods are alive you know it's not dead silent there's you know still bugs and everything and so i pull out my spotlight and I have my spotlight facing down this trail that goes west and it's like I said it's a

big clearing and my spotlight maybe goes about maybe 75 yards you get decent light and then after that it kind of like it fades out kind of but right at the edge of my spotlight something tall and dark runs across I can't make it out I just know it was a tall dark dark dark shape runs from one end of the woods to the other end, from one end of this clearing to the other. Now, you know at night, like, you know how sometimes your eyes can play tricks on you? So I didn't say anything because I didn't want to be like, oh, there's, I saw something. But my friend sitting behind me says, Tim, did you see that? And so I didn't want to lead him on.

So I said, well, no, what did you see? and he was like there was something tall and dark that ran across that clearing and then now then i was thinking oh my gosh he saw it too there was so there was definitely something there and and west what happens next i don't know if you've gotten reports of this but um me and my buddy who was sitting in shotgun with me in the truck we kind of kind of started to like getting lightheaded. Almost like we were like kind of like zoning out a little, like spacing out. And then he kind of got like dizzy a little bit.

It was like we got dizzy kind of like really dizzy. And he was like, whoa. And he grabbed the, he grabbed onto the door of my truck. And I was like, are you getting lightheaded? He was like, yeah, I'm getting lightheaded. He's like, let's get out of here. This is getting freaky. I was like, yeah, me too.

Yeah, it is. And so then that's when we took off out of there. but yeah, that was the next incident. That was the last time we ever went like poking out in the woods like that. Yeah, that does get reported in some encounters. I even experienced that in my own encounter that zoned out feeling. It's kind of like being high, but not really, but it's kind of that foggy type feeling. I mean, we were high during my encounter, but that's how I would liken it.

It's kind of that real foggy feeling. And I always kind of assumed it was like an adrenaline dump. What are your thoughts? I've wondered that too. Like if it was just my adrenaline kicking in. But I mean, up to that point, there really wasn't, like, I wasn't like freaking out. You know what I mean? Because like I said, we just saw that thing run across.

And it was a good distance away from us. And I wasn't thinking in my head. Like, I wasn't like freaking out. up to that point. So I was just, you know, kind of like, oh, what was that? Like, you know, what's this? What's going on?

Not like, oh, my gosh, you know, like a, but I mean, maybe it was. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. In some encounters, people, what they're describing sounds like infrasound sickness. And infrasound sickness can last for a while. How long did you feel these effects?

Man, maybe about 15. seconds we were like, oh, kind of like just like getting real dizzy. And like towards the end, that's when I got like more bad. That's why my friend like grabbed onto the side of the door. Kind of like, whoa, like he's kind of like trying to like steady himself. You know, even seeing at a second time will shock you. And it kind of sounds like what, and I wasn't there. So take my opinion with a grain of salt. But it might have just been kind of the shock. You know, your blood pressure goes up. And you say in the moment, hey, I really wasn't like freaking out. But you'd be surprised sometimes how the body reacts. You know, there's many times

when I was a bouncer that I would be in situations and I was stone faced. And on the outside, it looks like I'm confident, calm and cool. And then when it's over, I'm like, I can't believe I just looked down the barrel of a gun. What am I doing with my life? You know, I'm like throwing up in the corner. It kind of hits me afterwards. And I almost wonder if that's what was going on with you guys. Backing up for a second, on that very first incident of that thing peeking around the tree, would you kind of describe what you saw? Yeah. So, I mean, it was probably, like I said, maybe 75 yards from us. Like I said, it was no more than six feet tall.

It wasn't the biggest thing. And like I said, it was like, it wasn't chronicle shaped. It was almost like a person that was just behind that. behind that tree like poking and looking at it it wasn't like his whole shoulder

came out it was kind of just like his head was poked out and then he went back in and went behind it and

I mean like I said it was night the street lamp wasn't the best but I could tell that there was a head that was poking like in and out

and I don't know like I said I don't think that was Sasquatch related and at that house even. We have a, I have a friend. He, he, he, um, used to live at that house. That's actually his, um, his mom's house. And he doesn't live out here no more, but when they did live out there, they had stuff going on in that house before. So at times he was at home by himself where

he thought his mom was home. Like he thought his mom came into the house because he heard footsteps and, you know, noise like someone like, like someone's coming into the house. So he went out there to say hi to his mom. No one was out there. And at one time, they, um, they kept hogs in their yard, and hogs in their, um, their backyard. And one night something came in and took off with one of their hogs because they went out there because I heard squealing. Like it was freaking out.

And then they went outside and they could hear the hog like being taken off. But like, it was like squealing. Like it was freaking out as it was running off. And so they try to see if it broke out or not or something. There was no like break in the fence. It seemed like it would just took off. Makes me wonder what it was you guys actually saw if it wasn't one of these things. Before we get into the ceremony I want to ask you about,

tell me about these tracks that you found, the three-toed track. Did you ever get a picture of it? Man, Wes, I'm kicking myself up and down over that. And I didn't, but I was, it happened. I saw it a few weeks ago, a couple weeks back. And I was out in the same area. I was riding. It was the middle of the day.

I was on the fence line. And I'd come up on it. And I thought it was like a gator track at first. And then I look at it. I said, no, maybe it's a bear track. But I was like, it's too long, not wide, but long to be a bear track. maybe it's a person, but it had three toes. And there was no one out there.

There was no tire tracks. No one else. No one had been back in this area in a while. I was the only one. And the tracks looked fairly fresh. So it wasn't one track that you found. It sounds like there was multiple. No, yeah, yeah.

It was a decent set of tracks. It wasn't because like I said, I thought maybe it was a bear or like, a gator, but they weren't wide tracks. They were kind of like, like if it was on two feet. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. I've seen it one time before in Texas. We only found two tracks.

But I remember looking at it going, I don't know. Kind of remind me of like a bird track, but the bird weighs like 800 pounds. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I thought too. But I'm like, there's no bird that's big enough out here, unless it's like an ostrich or a dinosaur, then maybe. But like the track was probably at least my size. And I wear 11.5 in shoes, if not a little bigger.

But there's no way. Like there's a, there's a bird out here that could do that. Because it was kind of deep too. Yeah. And that's kind of what I was thinking to Tim with the two tracks that we found in Texas. And I would say they were about a size, you know, a men's shoe. 11, 12, maybe 13. But my mind went to bird because

imagine like a chicken track. Everyone's seen a chicken track. It was kind of like that. Just huge. The toes were huge. To this day, I can't explain what made that track. And that's the thing.

Like, because when I saw it, I thought maybe a gator. But gator tracks aren't that long. They're wide. know. If it was, if this was a gator, it had to be a big gator. But like I said, his feet, it's where the track was. It wasn't as long as, or if it was a gator, the track was not as long as it should have been. And also, gators drag their tails. So if it was a gator, you would have seen the tail dragging through the mud. There was nothing there. And then if it was a bear, like I said, and same thing with a bear. It wasn't long enough.

to be a bear. That'd be a very odd shaped bear if it was. Yeah, we kind of did the same thing too. I was asking the guys, I was like, maybe gator tracks? But why is there only two? You know, we're out in the middle of the

Sam Houston National Forest. And like you were saying, Tim, I mean, you would think you'd see four sets of tracks and a drag mark from the body. What I saw was only two tracks. I don't know why there was only two. My mind really went to more of like an oversized chicken than a, than a gator. Very strange.

Let me ask you, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take, Tim? Honestly, I mean, I don't, I don't know. I don't think it's just an animal because, I mean, if it was, we should have caught up with it by now. Like, we should have gotten one. There's too much, dude, there's too much intelligence involved in it. I don't think it's like a proto human. I'm not,

I don't believe in evolution. But that's a whole other can of worms right there. But I don't think it's that. I think they are, you know, flesh and blood. You know, they leave tracks. They leave in some instances,

you know, like scat, like poop or dung. But I mean, they're very physical. But then, I mean, like,

you know, you hear those stories where they say there's something walking right, something big walking right behind them. Then they turn around. there's nothing there there's something that yells at them or or roars at them and then they turn around to see it

and there's nothing there and I don't know I think there's definitely a supernatural element to it I mean I could be wrong but that's kind of where I'm at I don't think it's just an animal yeah you would think if it was a normal animal we would have cut up with it by now I always kind of liking it to the mountain gorilla

you know when the locals would report seeing this man like creature, they never talked about anything supernatural. Everything they described sound like an animal. And most Native Americans have in their oral tradition a lot of really weird paranormal type activity that goes on when they encounter these beings or these creatures. Makes me wonder, tell me about this ceremony. I'm very curious about what this whole ceremony was about and what happened? So this ceremony happened also on the reservation.

One night, I was about 10 o'clock at night. One of my friends calls me up and says, hey, do you want to, in his own words, he said, hey, do you want to sponsor a dinner? And I was like, sponsor a dinner. He's like, yeah, do you want to come over and sponsor a dinner? I thought he met, I give his family like 15 bucks. and they'll give me like, I thought they were hosting like a party or something.

And I like pay for a plate or something. That's what I thought. And I said, okay, yeah, sure. And he said, okay, yeah, if you want, you can bring, you know, our other friends over. And so I called my other friends up and they're like, yeah, we're willing to go over there. And so we went over there. We got there about, it was almost 11 o'clock at night. And we come to my friend's house.

And it was a mobile home. It's a double wide. trailer and so we walk in and when we walk in the dining we walk right into the dining room and then to our rights is our right is the kitchen it goes dining room then kitchen and then i guess another like living room area they had because they had a living room in front of us but there is a living room off to our right side and where that living room was to our right they kind of had blankets taped up along the um the ceiling kind of like they kind of like made them like drapes out of the blankets but they were kind of they were taped up to the ceiling it kind of like walled it off

it wasn't completely closed in but they were starting to like seal it up and i saw that and i was like oh what's going on he's like oh we're doing a um a ceremony and i thought something you know just along with the you know like a cultural thing because he's also he's seminal but he's also um I don't want to say Sue. He's some one of the tribes in South Dakota. He's part that too. So he has mixed blood. And I mean, I do too.

I'm part Cherokee as well, but mainly seminal. But anyways, so I thought, oh, okay. And I was going to, I decided to stay because I wanted to, you know, check it out. You know, see what was going on. And in the kitchen, they had, um, food. There was food there and everything. I thought we were going to eat. But he said, no, that's after the ceremony.

we're going to eat after the ceremony. So I said, oh, okay. And then so he's like, yeah, we're going to be in that living room. You see where the blankets were kind of like cutting off that living room, we're going to be in there. And so we were hanging out, talking, and then for, and then about close to midnight, or it probably was midnight. We all gather into that room. And in that room, there's no. furniture except for like three chairs

like fold out chairs and the windows that are along the walls they're completely like there's blankets over them and they're completely like duct taped like completely sealed and in the middle of this room

there's a blanket and on at the four corners of this blanket are the sticks or like poles and on top of of these poles there's um shakers what would i what i would come to realize are shakers and running along the border of this blanket is like tobacco tied to like string it kind of looks like a um it kind of looked like christmas lights you know how christmas lights look when there's like they're along a

string and there's like a little light and then you go down there's another light kind of like that you know what i mean yeah kind of like that so yeah that kind of look and there were um going along the border of this blanket. And in the middle of this blanket, this guy, what my friend told me, that's the medicine man. He's the one doing the ceremony. I said, oh, okay. This, the medicine man, he's talking to another man.

And he's telling him, you know, put the blanket over me and then tie me up. And I'm thinking that's kind of weird. But, you know, I'm not, I'm going to hold my tongue, try to be respectful. but so then everyone gets into the room there's no furniture except for the three foldout chairs that are in front of this blanket in the middle of the room they're kind of they're facing towards this blanket and my friend told me that his mom and his aunts

were the ones that were going to get prayed for in this ceremony they're going to get prayed over and so they were the ones that had to sit at these chairs so they said sit down at those chairs and then the rest of us sit along the wall. We get down on the floor, sit along on the wall. And then the medicine man gets a blanket put over him. And then this other guy like kind of like wraps a big rope like over his whole body, ties them up.

It puts like, I don't know how many knots, but he's like constantly nodding it up. So like making a real tie to where he can't get out. and then he guides him down into the middle of this blanket and lays him on the ground and flips him over. So now he had his back on the ground, but now he's down on his stomach. And then when that happens, they turn on flashlights in this room. And then this is when I realized I probably should leave when the medicine man said cut the power to the house. and so then someone went outside and turned the breaker off to the house and killed the power. So now there's only the flashlights that are on.

And so then he said, okay, we're going to start the ceremony. Oh, I should back up and say, when we came into this room, we were not allowed to bring anything that would emit light. We were not allowed to bring our phones or a watch or anything like that. Anything that would emit light, we had to leave them out in the kitchen. So I'm sitting there along the wall. And the guy that tied up the medicine man, he also comes up to the wall, sits down with it. And he has a drum. And so while we're sitting there, he's like, okay, we're going to start.

And then he turned all the lights go off. And it is pitch black in that room. It's so dark. I mean, I couldn't even see my hand in front of my face. That's how dark it was. Can't see nothing. Just pitch black. and so then the guy that tied up the medicine man he starts beating a drum and starts singing in um in the language whatever um language i can't remember the tribe but he he starts singing in his tongue and starts being the drum and sorry i get i get goosebumps every time i i recount this um but he um he's beating the drum and it's pitch black can't see nothing

and then the shakers start going off. I start, you know, like a rattlesnake noise. The shakers are shaking and this guy is beating his drum. It's shaking. The shakers are going off. And this guy, the medicine man in the middle of the room, the drumming stops, the guy stops singing.

And then the medicine man says, this spirit is here. And he lists the name. I can't remember the name. name and frankly i don't i don't want to remember the names of these spirits who was lifting off but he said this spirit's here this spirit's here and he said he was talking to the the women that were getting prayed for he said oh they're going to they're going to look into your lives and they're going to help you out they're going to help you out they're here they're looking into your

lives they see this and they see that they're going to help you out and then so then they start um the ceremony and they started beating the drum and um singing the the guy starts singing in his tongue and then the shakers start going off again. And this part kind of creeps me out a little bit because then it sounds like there's a bird in the in the room, Wes, like a bird starts flying around because you can hear like the flapping of the wings and kind of hear like the chirp a little bit. Like it's something flying around in the room. It's pitch black.

Can't see nothing. But something starts like flying. lying around chirping and as this guy's beating his drum and singing and the shakers are going off and then they stop again and the medicine man starts saying that this spirit is saying this this spirit is saying that this spirit is going to do this for these women that are getting prayed for and then they start beating the drum again and you know the shakers start going off again and then now instead of a bird there was like a little green light almost like a firefly kind of light but it wasn't like emitting light like it was like kind of like its own self-contained little green ball of light and kind of like started whizzing around the room a little bit can't see nothing still you can only just see this little light going around and then it stops and oh i forgot to mention this too um along along right next to this blanket, this blanket in the middle of the room, there's these four bowls of food that they put into it.

They called it an offering. And West, something started eating out of it. Like you could hear this thing like start like kind of like smacking. Like like smacking its lip like like it was eating like that like eating like eating what's in that bowl. and this is where it gets weird because, I mean, if it isn't weird already, but this is where it got really weird because the next thing I hear is a woman scream.

But when I asked my friends if they heard that woman scream, some of them said, yeah, I heard a woman scream, but then others said, no, I heard children playing instead of the woman screaming. Some of them heard both. and when the ceremony when the guy stopped beating his drum

and the shaker stopped going off they turned the lights back they turned the lanterns and flashlights back on in the room the poles that were at the four corners of this blanket were all over the room the blanket was disheveled

all over the it was moved out of place there was food missing from this bowl there were chunks of food missing and this guy this medicine man that got tied up and got put down in the middle of this blanket was sitting

crisscross applesauce in the middle of this blanket looking at us with a blanket completely off him with the ropes completely off him he was just sitting there and then after that day they um you know he said that the spirit said they'll help they'll do this for you they'll do this for these people

and then after that they passed around I guess it was like a tobacco pipe to like smoke out of and then after that they passed around the the food that the bowl out of what whatever it was that ate out of this bowl they they passed that around and everyone ate from that too and then afterwards that was the end of the ceremony they they turned the power back on we went back out and started eating the food and west we went into that room at about it was past midnight but it was past midnight but it was It wasn't 1 o'clock in the morning yet. But we got out of there almost four in the morning, but it didn't even feel like three hours passed. It fell at most, maybe 45 minutes. And then when the ceremony was over, my friend came up to me and he said,

because I'm a Christian. And he came up to me, he said, see, he said, what we believe is real. What you believe, talking to me, he said, what you believe isn't real. and I told him, I said, look, I said, what I believe what just happened there was real, but I don't believe for a second. It was anything good. And so that was kind of that, that encounter right there.

So what did they serve for dinner afterwards? I'm just, I'm just joking, man. I think the minute they started tying up that old man, I'd have been like, you know what? I think I'm just going to hit Mickey D's on the way home. It's been a very lovely evening. Thank you so much. I'm not sure what crime is about to be committed here. What was the purpose of the ceremony?

What were they trying to accomplish? They were trying to, I guess there was turmoil in their family. So they were trying to reach out to these spirits, these good spirits to come and help them out. They were basically praying. It was like a praying ceremony. Yeah, it's very strange. And then your friend's kind of a dick. I mean, after making me sit through that, he's like, I'm going to go.

to insult your religion now. Why did they have the lights off? What was the purpose behind that? Did they say? No. I mean, I should have asked that, but I mean, if I had a guess, maybe it's because they didn't want to be seen. Because, I mean, like I said, we kind of go in there with our phones or anything that would emit light. And it was pitch black in that room. They taped off the window, so no light could come in, even though it was already like past midnight. But no, I didn't want no light in there. I don't know why. Yeah, I think I would have, I think I would have gotten out of there.

Been like, you know, it's promised meat and potatoes when I got here. And are we sacrificing someone or what the hell is going on here? I think I would have just left. Yeah. But I didn't want to be rude to just like, oh, I'm leaving, you know, because they invited me over. I mean, I should have gone. Hindsight's 20-20. I should have just been like, I'm leaving.

It's an odd account, man. I really appreciate you sharing. it. You know, I kind of have an odd sense of humor. Some people laugh. Most don't. Probably why I don't get invited to stuff like that. But yeah, I appreciate sharing that. And I appreciate sharing the Sasquatch Encounter. I really enjoyed chatting with you, man. Yeah, thanks for having me on. I appreciate the show, Wes. I appreciate all that you do and just keep up to good work, man. Thanks again, Tim. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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