Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1263 The Ugliest Thing I Have Ever Seen

Episode Date: June 7, 2026

Weston writes "I live in the northern part of South Carolina, and for the first five or six years my wife and I were together, we went hiking or camping almost every weekend. We loved exploring waterfalls and trails across the surrounding states. A lot of the time we chose remote areas where we wouldn't run into many people. The day this happened was different. We were visiting Crabtree Falls in North Carolina, a very popular waterfall along the Blue Ridge Parkway in the Blue Ridge Mountains. It's still remote in the sense that it's deep in the mountains, but it's a well-known destination, especially in the summer which is when we were there. This was in late July of 2016, well before Hurricane Helene, so all parts of the trail were open. The hike to the falls is about 2.5 to 3 miles round trip. About halfway in, there's a spot where water runs down the mountain and crosses the trail. It spreads across a wide rocky area, with large boulders lining both sides as far up as we could see. Curious, we decided to step off the main trail and climb alongside the water to see where it led. We thought maybe there was another waterfall upstream or at least we'd discover where this sizable creek originated. We climbed straight up those rocks for about half a mile. Eventually, we started hearing what sounded like a fairly large waterfall. We figured we were close and also that we probably weren't supposed to be there. There were signs everywhere warning hikers not to leave the trail, and by then we were well off it. I was climbing ahead in case my wife needed help navigating the rocks. When we reached the top of a large boulder near the sound of the falls, I pulled myself up and immediately froze. At the base of a waterfall roughly 25 or 30 feet tall, something enormous was crouched near the bottom, about five feet above the creek it fed into. At first, I couldn't process what I was looking at. I just knew it was huge. My wife hadn't crested the rocks yet, but she could tell something was wrong. I could hear her asking what was happening, but I couldn't respond. I couldn't move. I was staring at the back of this thing, crouched low. I knew it wasn't a bear, and that realization locked me in place. It didn't seem to know we were there. The roar of the waterfall likely masked our approach. And since everyone else was a mile below at the main waterfall, it probably didn't expect anyone to come up that way. Then my wife climbed up beside me. The moment she saw it, she screamed. The creature turned toward us and rose to its full height in one fluid motion. It made a deep, guttural grunting sound. That's when I understood what I was seeing and my fear went from paralyzing to overwhelming. I had never been that terrified in my life. As it stood there, I became aware of a strange pressure in my ears, like being underwater at the bottom of a deep pool. I could barely hear my wife screaming beside me. I'm not sure whether the pressure began when it saw us or when it stood and made that sound, but it persisted the entire time it was in view. The creature was over seven feet tall I'm certain of that. In high school, I had a close friend who was 6'10", and I saw him every day for two years. I know what seven feet looks like. This thing was taller than him, and it was only about 40 or 50 feet away. Its hair appeared auburn at the tips, possibly darker closer to the skin. Its skin itself looked charcoal-colored. I didn't get a good look at its hands, but I clearly saw its face and it's something I wish I could forget. Its head tilted slightly to the left as it made that grunting noise. When it moved, it did something no human could have done. In a single step, it crossed the creek and dropped from its crouched position about five feet down to creek level without jumping, slipping, or stumbling. The rocks were large and slick, but it moved effortlessly. Then, within just a few more strides, it went up the mountain and disappeared. As it moved, I noticed its proportions more clearly. Its knees stayed bent as it walked, and its legs seemed short relative to its torso. Its arms looked long in comparison, especially the forearms, which appeared longer than what I'd consider normal for a human. The proportions were wrong, almost exaggerated. It was over quickly, but it felt much longer. Once it was completely out of sight, the pressure in my ears finally faded. We didn't camp there that night like we'd planned. In fact, we stopped hiking and camping altogether for quite a while after that. It's something my wife and I will never forget."

And I just stop immediately and freeze. I had no idea what I was looking at. I just knew it's the biggest damn thing I've ever seen. And I'm looking at this thing frozen in fear. I can't talk. I can't move. And my wife sees me. She's coming up behind me.

She can tell that there's something definitely wrong with me. And I can hear her asking me, you know, what's wrong? You look, you look like you're scared to death. What's wrong with you? Well, I couldn't talk. I wanted to tell her, stop. Stay right where you're at. But I just couldn't speak. And so she just keeps on coming. And when she gets to the top of the rock and sees this thing, she just starts freaking screaming at the top of her lungs, man. And that's when this thing notices us. and it turns, it stands, it just pops straight up, man, when it heard her screaming. Just like, boom, it was up.

No effort, no, no struggle, nothing. Pop straight up and turned and looked at us. And, man, I thought I was scared when I saw this thing crouching there. I didn't know what it was. But, dude, when it stood up and looked at us and cocked its head to the left, it was the most Words can't describe the feeling that this gives you. You're about to get

freaking eaten possibly. You don't know what this thing's going to do. But it's mortifying. It was the ugliest, scariest thing I've ever seen in my life, its face. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me they don't make people that that big the way it moved almost as if it was gliding across the beach

I've never seen anything moves like that in my life They were screaming at each other in gibberish It sounded like a language And they were chuntering away back and forwards Back and forwards back and forwards I know what a bear looks like And there is no way on this planet But what I saw were bears

What he were putting in Jesus Christ you better Two, see him Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's sort of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-oh. And you're listening to the best podcast ever, Sasquatch Chronicles. Woo-boom! Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. We've got a great show playing for you. We're going to be chatting with Weston.

And Weston comes to us from North Carolina. and back in 2016, him and his wife were out hiking and they had a very, very close encounter with one of these creatures, and I'll let Weston go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com, and if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. And I'll see the members tomorrow night. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Weston to the show. Weston, thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me on, Wes. Yeah, and you and your wife had a very scary encounter. It was a very

close encounter, actually. This takes place in North Carolina back in 2016. If you would, would you start from the very beginning? What were you doing and what happened? I was with my wife. When we first got together for the first five or six years of our relationship, we did a lot of hiking, a lot of camping. And one of her favorite things to do was go check out waterfalls. And we would just go to any of the surrounding several states,

Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, Tennessee, you know, anywhere we found something that looked cool, we headed there. And this particular trip, we were in North Carolina in the Blue Ridge Mountains, right off of the Blue Ridge Parkway at a pretty popular waterfall named Crabtree Falls. I believe it's the tallest waterfall in North Carolina or whatever. So it attracts a lot of people. And it was late July, hot, sunny, muggy. We had been camping for a couple of days already in that area.

And this was a Sunday. We were headed home, and she decided she wanted to stop off and check out this waterfall that we had been to a couple of times before. I knew that it was going to be busy. And my personality is, if I can, I will try to go somewhere where there. is the lowest chance of people being around as possible. I don't like them to be around a whole lot of people. Well, my wife's the exact opposite. She doesn't care. She doesn't even notice other people around. So as I suspected, and typically I lose those arguments. So here we are going to Crabtree Falls.

A lot of people there. You pull off of the parkway, drive down a half mile or so to the trailhead. So we get out and take off, and this is about a two and a half, three mile hike out and back to get to the falls. So it's here we are headed, headed to the falls, and I don't know, halfway there, maybe. I don't know if you've ever seen as you're walking on a trail, I'm sure you have. Off to the side, there may be other tributaries or whatever running down the side of the mountain, and sometimes they'll just cross right over the trail that you're on. Well, halfway down this trail, there was a pretty good size one of those crossing the trail, and it was like a stream boulder field going up the side of this mountain off to our right.

Lots of big rocks on both sides of the creek and rocks in the middle of the creek as well. But anyway, we decided we would go off trail, climb up this mountain and see where this water's coming from. Maybe there's another waterfall up there somewhere. Well, that's right at my alley because I know nobody's going to be up there. And there's signs all over the trail telling you not to go off trail. Well, that's right off my alley too. So here we go, off the trail. When we climb up the side of this, we climb up this mountain for a good half mile, it felt like.

It may not have been that far, but it was tough climbing. It wasn't straight up, but it's a pretty good slope going up. side of this mountain, big rocks, you got to do a lot of climbing. And it was kind of a struggle. And I was in front because she would need some help every once in a while getting up and over these areas. So I was in front so I could help her. And like I said, as we, I don't know, half mile it felt like, we start hearing a pretty

good size waterfall. So we know we're getting close. and I come up over the top of this big rock and get up to the top of it and there's the waterfall right there. Beautiful waterfall. 25, 30 feet tall. It kind of cascades down.

It doesn't fall straight off the mountain into the creek. It kind of cascades down. So there's kind of levels. You could climb up different levels to get to the top of it if you wanted to. And the first thing I noticed is, is this huge thing kind of crouched at maybe five feet up from the base of the waterfall. You can obviously tell where the waterfall hits the creek. It flattens out.

This thing's five feet above it, crouched on a rock. And I just stop immediately and freeze. I had no idea what I was looking at. I just knew it's the biggest damn thing I've ever seen out in the wild. It's much bigger than any bears in this area. You might get a 400-pound black bear in this area, but that's big for the area that we were at. And this thing was much, much bigger. And it was kind of crouched like in a catcher's position, if you will, but its knees were kind of pointed out.

to the side more and it had its right arm into the waterfall it was just holding it there in the waterfall letting the water run over its arm I don't know maybe it was getting a drink or I don't know what it was doing but it obviously didn't know that I was there yet I guess it didn't hear us coming and we weren't being that loud and this waterfall was really loud so it didn't Didn't know I was there. And I'm looking at this thing, frozen in fear. I can't talk. I can't move.

And my wife sees me. She's coming up behind me. She can tell that there's something definitely wrong with me. But I can hear her asking me, you know, what's wrong? You look like you're scared to death. What's wrong with you? Well, I couldn't talk. I wanted to tell her, stop.

Stay right where you're at. But I just couldn't speak. And so she just keeps on coming. And when she gets to the top of the rock and sees this thing, she just starts freaking screaming at the top of her lawns, man. And that's when this thing notices us. And it turns, it stands, it just pops straight up, man, when it heard her screaming. Just like, boom, it was up.

No effort, no struggle, nothing. Pop straight up. and turned and looked at us and it cocked its head to the left. And, man, I thought I was scared when I saw this thing crouching there. I didn't know what it was. But, dude, when it stood up and looked at us

and cocked its head to the left, it was the most, words can't describe the feeling that this gives you. You're about to get freaking eaten, possibly. You don't know what this is. thing's going to do, but it's mortifying. And to describe the size of this thing is impossible with words that I, I don't know if

any of the famous orators of the world could describe the size of this thing. It was close. It was probably 20, 30 yards from us at this point. I don't know if Shakespeare could do it. You would just have to be there to understand how big this thing is and how scary that it looks. It reminded me, I'll go into a little bit of detail on how it looked in a minute,

but with it standing there with its head cock looking at it, it kind of reminded me of the clown on it. I don't know if you know what he looks like, but his forehead was bald kind of halfway up, and then that's where his hair started. and this grimace that it had on his face, it just looked, I thought it was somebody in the scariest mask I had ever seen. But I knew immediately that it was not anyone in a suit. There's no way that someone that big would have been in a suit in the middle of summer up here.

It just was, I knew that was out of the question. I wasn't sure what I was looking at, but I didn't. knew it was real. And anyway, it had its head caught to the left for what seemed like a long time was probably a couple of seconds. And then it let out this grunting noise, like, did it twice, like, and the second time it made that noise, its lips were kind of pursed. If you make a groaning noise, your lips will do the same thing.

and I think once it made that noise is when this pressure on my ears started. I felt like I was at the bottom of a 10, 12 foot pull. You've ever felt that. And this all happened pretty quick. Like I said, my wife was standing right beside me screaming her ass off. And whenever this pressure started on my ears, I couldn't even hear her anymore. and I just had tunnel vision on this thing. I was frozen.

When you let that gruntin noise out, I pissed on myself. I don't know what this thing's going to do, but I know that if it gets the notion to, it's going to come over here and rip us apart and have us for fucking lunch. So it's just a feeling you can't describe. But thankfully, it decides not to do that.

And after it makes this noise, it steps down and over the crows. creek. It's like I said, it was up about five feet above the base of the falls. Well, it steps down and over the creek, which is a good six foot, six foot wide creek, probably, and then a five foot drop. Does it in one step, no problem, no struggling, just steps down. Now, a human tried to make this step, you're going to bust your ass. You would have to jump. The rocks are slippery. You just, you just couldn't do it. Not in one step anyway. But it had no issues, just one step over the creek and then a few steps up the side of the mountain, up these rocks. And before long, it's out of sight. I don't know if it was making any kind of noises or anything like that as it's going up the mountain because this pressure is still constant on my ears. I can't hardly hear anything. But once it's out of sight, that pressure relieved and I was able to hear again.

my wife at this point is she's crying doesn't know what to do is shaking telling me let's get the hell out of here well I still couldn't move and we eventually make her way back down the mountain and we leave we were going to camp there that night but decided not to and I haven't been back to that area since but it was it was strange. I knew it wasn't a man. To me, it was definitely a hominid, in my opinion. Was it in the human

evolutionary line? I don't know if it's a hominid. I assume I imagine it is, but I don't want to speculate on that too much because I don't really know, obviously. But yeah, it had Auburn-colored hair, at least the hair was matted. It wasn't uniformed color. throughout.

It looked like a drunk barber had went to town on this thing, man. It had spots missing where the hair was much thinner. It was long on its forearms. It was probably three or four inches hanging on its forearms, especially that right one that was wet.

You could definitely see the hair hanging down off that forearm pretty good. Water was dripping off of it. But it was Auburn colored where it did have hair and it probably got a little darker in toward the skin. Maybe the sun way the sun was hitting it made the tips look redder.

But the face, well, first of all, its legs in proportion to the rest of its body, didn't seem right. They were a little shorter than in proportion to its torso. And I really noticed this when it took off. It had its head cocked to the left, like I said. But right before it took off, it snapped its head left like something caught its attention. I don't know if anything did, but that's what it appeared to be. Snapped its head to the left and it bent down and was gone. And the whole time it moved, I noticed that its knees stayed bent the whole time and moved.

So that really caught my attention. As it was standing there looking at us, it seemed like it was standing up pretty straight. So it may have been double-jointed in the knees because the way the knees were splayed out it was crouching, but it looked like it was able to lock its knees. It just never did as it moved. They were bent the whole time. But as it, when it was moving was when I really noticed that the proportions of its legs seemed a little shorter than the rest of its torso and its arms seemed a little longer.

Like the forearms from the elbow to the hands were definitely longer than the upper part of the arm. And this thing wasn't huge like a like a bodybuilder or something. And it was tall and lanky. I think it was so I'm pretty sure it was seven and a half to eight feet tall. And the reason I'm sure of that is because in high school, I had a friend who we had recruited our basketball team and recruited him to come play with us. And he was six foot 10.

So I saw this guy every day for two years. You know, we were good friends. I know what seven feet tall looks like up close. I know what it looks like at a distance, and this thing was taller than him. And it was lengthy. It's, uh, you wouldn't have wanted to mess with it, but it wasn't huge like a bodybuilder. It was the ugliest, scariest thing I've ever seen in my life, its face. It looked like it had really big eye sockets.

The eyes themselves didn't seem to be really huge, but you could definitely tell the sockets were big, and they were sunk back in. had a, did have a definite eyebrow ridge, I could tell. And then its forehead sloped slightly back to the top of its head. And its hair started almost at the top of this head. And then the hair on its head looked kind of like dreads. The rest of its hair was matted and missing spots, like I said. its mouth this thing could have put a softball on its mouth

and still had room to talk to you if it wanted to I mean this mouth was huge I didn't get a good look at its hands I wish I would have because I would have liked to see the orientation of its thumb whether it was opposable or not and I didn't get a good look at its feet either I did see one of its footprints on the rock

because it left a wet footprint, but I also wish I would have gotten a better look at its feet. I could have been able to tell if its toll was a poseable. It's a big toe was opposable or not, but I didn't get a good luck at them. Just the size of this thing, and you can't describe how big the, I've been to the zoo.

You see giraffes up close, but listen, man, giraffes are not fixed to come over the fence and eat you, right? So this thing, me knowing that it could do that if it wanted to, that makes, gives big a little bit different

impression and definition, you know, when you're out in the wild with one of these things. It was just huge. It's completely emasculating. And that, it took me a while to kind of get over that

because, you know, we had kids at home too. And there's not a damn thing I could have done. My wife knows that. She understands that, but it still makes you feel emasculating. like, you know. Yeah, it's scary to run into one of these things.

It really is. I mean, listen, I'm a prideful man. I've dealt with some very bad men in my life. These sayings, on the other hand, it's terrifying to run into one. I hear guys with big egos that are like, oh, you know, if I ran into Bigfoot, I'd put a bullet in it. No, I don't think you would. I really don't think he would. I think you'd be trying to figure out how to get out of the same.

situation as quickly and unharmed as possible. You know, one thing that you said during your encounter was its legs being short. And I get completely what you mean by that. And I'm kind of comparing it to my encounter and I really shouldn't, but I get completely what you're saying. I don't think that their legs are actually short and stubby when you get a good look at one. I think it has to do with their knee placement because in my encounter, the one thing I really

picked up on was their knees are a lot lower than where our knees are at. Our knees are about 50% up the leg. Their knees are about from the foot up is about 30%. So it kind of gives a short, stubby appearance, but I don't think their legs are actually short. they give off that appearance of being short and stubby, but I don't think that they really are. Do you remember where the knees were on this thing? So when I say they were short, don't get me wrong.

Its legs weren't short. They just seemed to be a little bit out of proportion with the rest of its body, if that makes sense. And all, they just seemed a little bit too short for its body for some reason. And I really noticed that when it was moving. And as it lunged to take off that rock, I really noticed it. It turned and put its hand out and stepped off in one step, and its knee stayed bent the whole time. Where its knee was placed, I don't know.

I'm not sure about that, man. It just, its legs just seemed a little shorter than what you would think for something seven and a half foot tall if that makes sense. That's not what I noticed. What I, what stuck in my mind was the fact that it looked really apak as it took off and moved. It just seemed like this thing always had its knees bent and just moved kind of ape like as it moved. But it was smooth. I had no trouble getting around in this territory. I mean, my wife and I were struggling like hell getting up this trail.

And it just didn't even look natural. But, you know, the way it took off went up the mountain. It was just so, like a cat is only thing. thing I can think of that would be able to move in this territory the way it did. I wanted to ask you about its facial expression. Outside of the grunting, which I'll come back to in a moment, when it turned and looked at you guys, do you remember its facial expression changing? It was like it did change because when it made the noise, its mouth moved, but its expression

when it had its head cocked, looking at us, was just, it was almost like somebody trying to play a prank on you and scare you as bad as they could, like, because it didn't have any emotion. It was just sitting there staring at us with this blank stare. And I'm like, what the hell is this? This is the scariest damn thing I've ever seen? Is this some, is this real? Is this somebody, is this some huge dude in a freaking scary Halloween mask?

Its skin was kind of charcoal colored, maybe a little. lighter than, or I'm sorry, a little bit darker than charcoal. And its mouth, its lips were thin, but they were, I could tell they were a little bit lighter than the rest of its face. It had a flatter face than, say, chimpanzees or guerrillas, their, their face isn't as flat as ours. Its face was flatter, even though it still had that kind of slope up to its, up to the of its head and its nose was bigger than ours and sat more flat on its face.

It still didn't look, it looked closer to us as opposed to say a chimpanzee, in my opinion. And its proportions were huge. But it was scary looking. Its nose was kind of twisted. One nostrils up a little higher than the other one. Its eye sockets were huge. That made it look scary. and then its mouth, man,

was so freaking wide. And whenever it did that grunt noise, it was like I said, it was like, boom, like that. And if you make that noise, your lips kind of automatically

purse out a little bit. And when his lips did that, they were, they came out really far. Like, I couldn't, I never, it never grimaced or anything at me,

so I didn't get a good look at its teeth. I could see, its teeth when its lips were pursed, but I didn't get a real good look at it, but its lips were long. They came off of its, they came off of its teeth a lot further than ours would when we make that motion, if that makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense. I wanted to ask you about the grunt. You know, when this thing grunted at you, how did you kind of take that behavior? I can imagine in the moment how you took it, but even looking back now, how did you perceive it grunting at you? I mean, what did you make of that behavior?

Well, looking back is a little different. So at the moment, at the moment, I wasn't sure what it meant. I didn't know if he was fixed to come eat us or if it was just telling me, hey, I'm over here, you stay over there. And looking back on it after it took off, obviously, I think it was more of the latter. Like, don't follow me. you all stay where you're at do not follow me kind of is one way I took it

yeah in that moment I think that's exactly how I would feel and I can tell you from doing this show for too long and talking to a lot of people that I really don't think that grunting is meant to be

aggressive there's a famous account that came out of, I can't remember if it was North Carolina or South Carolina. There was this hunter. And this hunter is coming down this path and he runs into two of them. One he described, and they're huge, much bigger than him. One of them he describes as a male. And the other one was a little bit shorter, still much bigger than this hunter.

But he describes a shorter one as being female. because he saw breasts. And they're in this weird standoff, just standing there looking at each other, and the female grunts at him, almost identical to how you imitate the one that grunted at you. And he shot it.

He raised his rifle up and he shot it. And the male kind of looked at him, like, what have you done, picks up the female, throws her over his shoulder, and takes off. I think he went up a rock wall. or something. It's been a while since I've heard the encounter. But I can tell you over the years of

talking to people that I think that grunting is an acknowledgement. You're there. I'm here. We see each other. I don't, I really don't think it's meant, and I've heard it many times over the years with people's encounters. I don't think it's meant to be aggressive. Having said that, I would have taken it exactly the way you took it. I would have taken it as, don't follow me, this is your one warning, you know,

that sort of thing. But, you know, and this is all my opinion, of course, I really don't think that's what they mean by it. There was nothing aggressive about this encounter. So that definitely makes sense. At the time,

when you're so afraid, anything that this thing does is going to seem, you don't know how to take it. But, yeah, there was nothing aggressive, about this encounter, and I don't think that those grunts were aggressive. Just at the time, you know, with that fear factor kicked in, anything this thing does, you have to take it as aggression.

But, you know, what's weird, I was, I was, let me ask you this, let me ask you this, to see what you think, that I was frozen. I couldn't move. I couldn't do anything. Couldn't talk. I pissed myself. But regardless of that, I was frozen. I couldn't move.

Do you think that evolutionarily speaking, that's something that has helped us survive over time? Because if I was able to move and do what I wanted to do, which is get the fuck out of there, it may have came after me. So do you think that that fear, when that fear kicks in and it freezes us, that that's something that has helped us over time with predators? Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, I can only tell you from my own personal experience, you know, they talk about the fight or flight that people have. Either you're going to run or you're going to fight. Well, I would say there's a third option, too, where you just stand there stone faced. And, I mean, I hate to bring up when I was a bouncer because it sound like such white trash when I talk about it.

But in a lot of fearful situations, I made mention earlier of dealing with a lot of bad men. In very fearful situations, so I used to work mainly with this one guy every night, and he was a former blood. He was a gang member, or former gang member anyway. And this guy was, I mean, this was not the man to mess with. I can tell you that much. This was not a guy I would even mess with. We would be in some hairy situations, and he made the comment to me one time. where he said, you know, Wes, you're stone-faced.

I can't tell if you're mad. I can't tell if you're going to kill this guy. I can't tell if you're scared. Your expression never changes. Now, in those moments, I can, I mean, I'll tell you, and it kind of hurts my pride to say it. But in those moments, I was terrified. But I think in our, there's something in our DNA to where,

you know, I would just stand there and just look at them. like are you done? Are you done running your mouth? That's not what I was thinking on the inside. On the inside I was thinking, where's the exit? How can I get the hell out of this situation? But that's not really how I was projecting myself. And it's not that I'm, you know, I think in those situations, especially when you're dealing with humans, and I'll give you an example with Sasquatch, but when dealing with humans, men especially will try to intimidate you. When you don't react, there's that moment where it's almost confusion on their face. Like, did I just run into Bruce Lee?

Like, should I shut my mouth at this point? And I remember I had this father on one time and he was with his kids. And he had run into a family group of these things. It was the young female that noticed him and his kids. And I forget what she did in the encounter. She did something to alert the family group. the mail gets up and starts charging this father. While the father doesn't run and he's obviously not going to fight this thing,

he just freezes and stands there and looks at it. About 10 feet before it mows him down, it stops. And there's confusion on the creature's face. Like, why isn't this guy running? Why isn't this guy reacting? Why isn't? And I think it's something in our brain, to protect us.

The other side of the coin, I will say, I almost think it's kind of in our DNA. Like our ancestors have run into these things before. We've met before in the past. And I think that's where a lot of how we react to it comes about. Because it's more than just, oh, this is something I've seen before. You know, how interesting. No, we freak out when we run into them.

It's almost like in our DNA. Like we've met before in life. We had to, we had to, you know, these things, they didn't just pop up 10 years ago or 20 years. You know, they didn't pop up 100 years ago. They've been around a long time. I think you're right. We had to have, we've had to have had encounters in the past with them.

Much more than we do now with the way the population is and the industry and everything. encroached in all the wilderness areas. It didn't always used to be like that. Yeah, I agree. You know, the other thing I wanted to ask you about was when it grunted at you, you made the comment almost like you couldn't hear

like you were underwater. Do you think that was fear? Or I know there's a theory out there that these things give off infersound. And I'm not so sure about that. But it could be, you know, I don't know. I'm just giving you my. opinion, of course. Do you think it was fear? Do you think it was something else?

I don't know. I don't know if it was something externally forcing that pressure on me or if it was internal fear. I don't know. I would be, I mean, since I don't know, I can't say either way. I'm open-minded either one. I've heard that before with encounters. I don't know if you know who Fred Roll is. He has a famous encounter where it's kind of the same thing happened to him throughout the whole encounter. So I don't know, man. At the time, I felt like it was internal that I was just so, but it happened right when the thing runned. So I could hear fine before that.

And then once it run it, in that point until we didn't see it anymore, it was, I felt like it was at the bottom of a pool. So I don't know. with the infrasound, that's not something that we can audibly hear, I don't think, right? I mean, they don't, so they don't have to be actively making a noise for that to happen. Is that correct? Yeah, there's kind of two parts to your answer. We can't actually audibly hear infrasound. I think it's below like 20 hertz, but we can physically fill it.

And usually your body will fill it. you'll feel that low frequency hit you. But it doesn't necessarily mean that you can't hear what actually gives off the infrasound. I know like elephants, for example, they'll do like these very deep, low rumbling growls. I want to say it's like five or seven hertz that they give off. And it's for communication with their herds. can I coordinate with their herds. Tigers, on the other hand,

they'll emit an infrasonic roar. So not only will you hear it, but you'll also feel it. And there's examples, especially with tigers, where they give off that infrasound and prey freezes from the effects of the infrasound. So I guess to answer your question, it's kind of yes and no.

Okay. So I wonder if, If that when people start feeling like they're being watched and they start getting really scared, even though there's nothing around them that they can see, is that what do you think that could be what that is? Because it seems like in a lot of these encounters, people can feel it before they actually know something's there. No, I don't think that has anything to do with them for sound. I think it's humans. And it's kind of fascinating when you look into it.

It's the brain's built-in gaze detection system. and if you ever get a chance, really research it because it's fascinating. But we have kind of a subconscious sensory processing in our eyes and our brains to where we can pick up when, for example, we're being watched. You know, you're in a stadium full of people and you have this weird feeling of being watched. You turn around and you look at right at the person who's watching the back of your head. I don't think that's infrasound. And like I said, if you get a chance to check out that gase detection, it's fascinating.

Can I ask you why do you think it didn't attack you? I don't think it had the notion to. I just don't think this, you know, it didn't want to, I guess. I don't know. It definitely could have if it wanted to. It just didn't. I don't know if. So after it made that noise, it turned its head to the left really, really quick.

Like something to its left, it caught its attention. And that's when it took off. I don't know if that had anything to do with why it left, why it didn't come after. But something seemed to have gotten its attention, and that's when it took off. I don't know if there were more around. I don't know, man. But I can't answer that, dude. I don't want to speculate on what it was thinking.

I'm just glad it didn't take the notion. Yeah, it's interesting that you say that. I mean, I tend to think that there probably was another one there. I truly believe, and again, this is my opinion, so take it as that, that they're rarely alone. If you see one, that doesn't mean that there's just one there. One time I was at the Browns, and I've told this story before, we were up on this platform Jonathan had built, so we're in this elevated position.

Jonathan has an AR-15, Woody has Jonathan's extra AR-15, and I'm holding a thermal camera. And we see what looks like a man, or at least I did on the thermal, because I'm the one that had it, out in the farm field. And he's pretty far away. He's probably a football field away, and he's walking away from us. but it looked big. It looked bigger than just a normal human. It looked like one of these things. So I'm showing Jonathan and I'm like, hey, take a look. I show what he hate, take a look. And they're like, well, let's go walk towards this thing. Let's catch up with this thing.

Now, I'm unarmed. Even if I was armed, I would have zero intention on catching up with this thing. But before I could even make a comment, they're both down and walking towards this thing. and I'm like, I'm unarmed guys. I'm unarmed. Like, I really didn't want to walk towards this thing. But I'm holding the thermal. All three of us are walking. And off to our left, this is at night, by the way.

Off to our left, all of us heard this, ah, almost like one screamed at us. We're quick. So like three donkeys, we all stop and we all look to our left. And they're asking me, what do you see? Where do you see it? where is it? There was nothing there. I didn't see anything. But that screen was very close by. And I'm scanning. I'm scanning. And they're thinking, well, he doesn't want to follow this thing.

So I'm like, here's a thermal. Take a look for yourselves. And both of them are scanning. There's nothing there. We look back at that one out there in the field and it's gone. Even with the Patterson Gimlin film, and I've asked Bob about this, there's a theory that Patty walked away because there was young ones there. And Bob says, I don't know. I never saw anything else besides Patty, but that would make sense. She walks away, almost like trying to get their attention, because she doesn't run away. She kind of takes her sweet time getting out of there. And so there's kind of that theory. But again, I've asked Bob about it. He says he doesn't know if there was another one there or not. Yeah. Well, with Patty, you know, something a little bit

more evidence that kind of substantiates that, or not substantiates it, but there's a little more credence to that is, I've heard that they actually think that she went away and sat up there and watched them for a while. Have you heard that? Yeah, I believe that theory actually comes from a guy named Bob Titmus. I could be wrong on that, but they were up there looking at Patty's tracks and they were following her tracks. and based on her tracks, she basically made a big circle and then stopped and almost, that's where that theory comes from. She was up there watching them because they don't really run off, even when you think they run off. And again, this is my opinion based on eyewitness testimony.

They don't seem to really run off. They seem to move to a different position where there's more room in between you and they'll watch you. and I guarantee even that one that walked away on the waterfall, I guarantee he didn't run off. He probably got in a different position and sat there and watched you guys. My opinion, of course. Was there young around? I don't know about that,

but could there possibly have been another one there that got its attention? Maybe. It definitely makes sense in you and you and Jonathan and Woody's encounter that something was getting y'all's attention not to follow that thing. or in order for that other thing to get away or whatever. And I've heard that there's always, or usually there's more than one around. They don't travel alone unless it's a rogue male or whatever. I don't know.

Yeah, like I said, it seems to be the case. Most people don't stick around long enough. Even in your encounter, it's like, you know, most people just want to leave and get away from it. It took us a while even to get out of there because we were so scared. and we had, you know, this was kind of dangerous territory. We were fixing to have to go back down. So we stayed there for a long time to kind of gather ourselves before we even left. But there's no way we were heading in that direction.

And the direction that it was headed makes me think. So as we're going up the side of this mountain following this off trail, we're on the left side as we're going up, okay? and to our left and back behind us is where the main waterfall is. That's where all the people are. The main trails behind us and to our left. And that's the direction that this thing had to have came from because of the way that it, because of the direction it was pointing when I got there, the side of the creek it was sitting on when I got there.

And then the direction it kept going when it left. So I wonder if it had been, it had to have been a lot. closer to everybody else before it got to where it was at, unless it had done some kind of big crazy circle or something. But yeah, the direction it was going, it was, if it kept going in the same direction, it was headed, it was going to cross over Blue Ridge Parkway pretty quick, and then just head on off into the mountains.

But, yeah, it came from the direction of the main waterfall where there's 50 people down there probably. Can I ask you, Western, And what was kind of your take about Bigfoot prior to this encounter? At that time, it's kind of ironic because I didn't believe that they existed at that time. But I had never looked into it at all. I always had prided myself with kind of being a critical thinker and a skeptic. But I did not do my due diligence in this subject at all.

I just knew that science disregards it. and most people you talk to think it's a joke. That's kind of, I just kind of left it with that, and that's what I thought. But, dude, I just wish everybody would take, drop, take a couple of months and look into it. Because there's mountains of overwhelming evidence that these things exist. We put people in prison for life, and we put people to death all the time on way less evidence. An eyewitness is all you need for that. And look at all the evidence there is for these things.

It's just, but anyway, regardless of my encounter, just the evidence alone should convince everyone if you just take the time to look into it. There's plenty of evidence there. I didn't believe it before I had the encounter, but after the encounter, I got really crazy into it. And just that's all I did for the next, I don't know, a few years was just really trying to figure out what these things are and what they do and why we aren't taught about them at school. Why and does everyone think they don't exist? We actually call, we didn't know who to talk to about it.

So we called the Forestry Department. And they told us we saw a bear. And it was just the most frustrating conversation I've ever had with anybody. because they just kept trying to convince us we saw a bear. They knew we didn't see a damn bear. And I didn't know who to talk to about it. So that's who we called. And it's just ridiculous.

I don't understand why everyone doesn't know about this. With the evidence that there is, all the encounters, hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses, what the hell? But yeah, I didn't believe before it happened. And not only do I believe now, you know, I know that. exist. Like I said, every weekend we were somewhere, camping and hiking. It took us a good six months probably to get back out on the trails and stuff. I mean, it was, it was rough there for a while. What did your wife think? What was the conversation like afterwards?

She couldn't talk for a long time about it and didn't want to talk about it. We didn't talk about it hardly at all on the way home. I wanted to. I wanted to talk about it. What's the hell? That was a freaking big foot. Yeah, I wanted to talk about it. She didn't want to talk about it. So we didn't talk about it on the way home. And it took her a couple of days before she would start talking to me about it. She was scared, man. She, uh, it's the most scared of either one of us has ever been. And, dude,

it's, it's worldview shattering to see one of these things, you know? It, it flips everything upside down. It takes a while to comprehend it and figure out how you feel

about it. So, we didn't talk about it for a few days. And then, then we, then we do. We started talking about it and we, we both,

uh, researched it together and kind of got into it. and it turned out to be a good experience in the end. But, man, at the time, it sure the hell wasn't. It's the fear of the unknown. You're seeing something that's not supposed to be there. You're told doesn't exist. Well, there it is, man.

And it's huge. Like I said, and you know the size of these things, you just cannot describe it to people. You have to be there. You have to see it. And, dude, it's scary. I mean, it's a scary thing to be a real thing. And it's just hardwired into us to be afraid of something that can just rip you apart if it wants to. When you're in the ocean and you see a shark, you automatically are scared because you know what it can do.

But that's known animals. You're still scared of those, the ones that you know. This thing's unknown. You don't know what it's going to do, but you know what it can do if it wants to. Yeah, it's the unknown and it's their size, of course. in that moment, did you know what you were looking at? I mean, did you know it was a Sasquatch

or were you thinking, I don't know what in the world this thing is? Yeah, there was a little bit of, I don't know what this is, especially as it was, especially as it had his back turned to me crouched there. I just knew it was big and it wasn't anything I'd ever seen before.

When it turned around and looked at us, at first I thought, I mean, the first thing went through my head is that's somebody in a really good costume trying to scare the hell I know us. But that thought was immediately squashed because it was just that was more laughable than this thing actually being there standing in front of us. And it was obviously real. So at the point when it was sitting there looking at us and I had realized it is real,

I knew what it was. I knew exactly what it was at that point. and felt stupid for making a joke of it. You know, Weston, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? Ten years later after this encounter, what do you think that these things are? Well, I think, like I said,

I think there's a couple of things that are kind of obvious. I think they're a flesh and blood animal, and I think they're a hominid, which means a great eight. but other than that, I don't want to speculate, man. I don't know if they're, I don't know if they're related, more closely related to us in the evolutionary line. I would assume so based on how they move

and how they're able to walk upright. But until we have one in our garage, right, we don't know. But I think it's kind of obviously a flesh and blood and a primate, right? is what I would, I think you can, I think you can safely say those two things at least. As far as other than that, I don't really want to speculate because I don't know. Yeah, I would agree with you. I mean, they are a primate. They have two arms, two legs.

They stand like a man. And they're definitely physical. People aren't running into a ghost. I just think there's probably more to that story on what they are. if you had the chance, would you want to see another one? Yes, but I would want it to, let's use the shark tank analogy. If there was some way of getting that out there

where I know this thing can't get to me, yeah, I'd love to see one, man. Even though it was so scary looking, if I had a way to make it safe where I could observe, I want to know what they do. I want to know how they live. How do they, how are they so elusive? Now that I know that they're there, I'm not worried about are they there anymore.

I want to know, now I want to know the what and the how and everything else about how they, how they make their living. Yeah, you and me both. You know, last question I want to ask you, Weston, and I know you've heard the Sierra sounds that Ron Moorhead recorded. You know, when you listen to some of his recordings, like when they're fighting over food, it sounds like animals. It sounds like monkeys fighting over food.

But when you hear the clip of when Ron is mimicking them, to me, it sounds like some weird language. I mean, when you think of like a gorilla or any other primate on the planet, they don't vocalize like that. and when you hear that, I know some of it is in my intro and I don't have the clip ready to play for you, but I know you've heard it before. When you listen to it, it sounds like, almost like people, like a language when they're talking. What's your take on that? I agree. It does sound like a language, but I think that if you look into their skeletal structure and their makeup on what it has to be. I know we don't know exactly, but they,

they're built a lot like us. So the way that they're, the way their head is situated on their shoulders, they've got to have the vocal cords to do it. So I think that they probably do have, I don't hate speculating like this, man, because I don't know, but I, it's just all opinions here.

Right. So yeah, my opinion is I agree with you. I think they have a language and they can use it when they want to, but they can also make a lot of other sounds that make them sound a lot more monkey-like, as opposed to ape-like. I think they have some crazy vocal cords, man. They can do that. You can teach a chimpanzee to say a few words, but it can't do the chatter you're talking to the samurai chatter,

whatever they call it. A chimpanzee just doesn't have the vocal cords for that. But these things do, obviously. And you, you know, you listen to, you listen to Bob talk about it. He'll tell you they have a language. Everybody that's heard them, and you've heard it, I think. Have you heard them do this? I've heard it one time in my life, and it was when I was in Texas.

And it sounded like, it didn't sound like animals. It reminded me of like two neighbors, like two family groups, two neighbors like yelling back and forth at each other. It was fascinating to listen to. It was a little creepy as well. Just the clips that some of those demonic like sounds they make, you know, that's so freaking scary. I've never heard it.

I would love to hear it. But yeah, I agree with you, man. I think they're talking to each other, dude. Yeah, I have no doubt in my mind that they're talking to each other. Even when you listen to the Sarah sounds, and I've been trying to like clean them up. There's a section in there where you hear this little one going, it's like talking.

And then the big one, you can tell from the audio placement, it's talking directly to the young one. And even in that recording, you hear Ron and I don't think it was Al Berry. I think it was one of the brothers saying they talk to each other, then they talk to us. It's fascinating stuff, man. It's a scary encounter that you and your wife had. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share it.

I really enjoyed chatting with you, ma'am. Yeah, man, thank you for having me on. I've never had an intelligent conversation about this with anyone. And that's a lot in my fault. I know there's a lot of groups and things like that I could join. I just have a crippling social anxiety when it comes to those kinds of things. So a lot of the interests that I have, I don't get to talk about with anybody because I'm so freaking anxious socially. So I appreciate it, man.

It was a good, comfortable conversation. Yeah, and I enjoyed it as well. Thank you again, Weston. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out, Watchchronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.

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