Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1289 The Triangle Series II

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

Derek will be returning for part two of the The Triangle Series. Derek Condit, an author, researcher, psychic intuitive, inventor, U.S. Army veteran, and former Washington State correctional officer. Based in the Pacific Northwest, Derek explores the fascinating intersection of documented history, eyewitness testimony, unexplained phenomena, folklore, and personal experience. His work examines the stories and events that challenge our understanding of the world around us. Derek is the creator of The Triangle Series, a collection of books investigating regions associated with unusual activity including UFO encounters, Bigfoot and cryptid sightings, paranormal experiences, unexplained lights, historic mysteries, and other events that defy easy explanation. Check Out The Triangle Series   His approach is open minded and story-driven. Rather than dismissing experiences simply because they fall outside conventional understanding, Derek allows witnesses to share their stories and examines the possibilities surrounding what they encountered. His interest in the unexplained is also deeply personal. Derek has experienced unexplained phenomena firsthand, including a Bigfoot encounter in Washington State. As Derek explains: "My connection to these subjects is also deeply personal. Both my 87-year-old father, a former NSA agent, and I have had our own Bigfoot encounters. Mine occurred in Washington State, while his took place in Northern California." Derek's 16 years as a Washington State correctional officer also provided him with numerous unusual experiences. Some occurred inside the Washington State Reformatory, while others took place during night-shift assignments outside the prison. These firsthand encounters, combined with years of research, have shaped Derek's unique perspective on the unexplained.   Cosmic Shungite: https://www.CosmicShungite.com Bigfoot's Gems: https://www.BigfootsGems.com

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the bed. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. A bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. This is Boston Billy. Billy, you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Let's go, baby. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. On last night's member show, I spoke with Ben, who is from Georgia. And Ben shared his encounters on his property, not only his encounters, but family members who had run into the creature. And as Ben and I were talking, I was kind of looking at the area of his property. and it hit me. He basically lived next door to where the Elkins Creek cast was taken.

You guys remember episode 148 when I interviewed Deputy Jim Atkin? He kept getting called out to this property where this old couple lived, and they would constantly call 911. They lived out in the middle of nowhere. And Jim didn't believe in Bigfoot. He thought it was all complete nonsense. And every time he went out there, he kept finding more and more evidence that this old couple was telling the truth. And I don't know if you guys remember episode 148.

Jim talked about the creature coming up to this old couple's home and calling for their dog. Their dog's name was Peanut. Here's a clip from episode 148. The audio is terrible because I had no clue what I was doing at the time. But take a listen. The love of little dog inside the house's name was Peanut. And this is where things I knew had taken a strong, strange bent because he reported on that one, on that particular one, he said,

they come up here, you know, they tap on the house, they hit the house. And he said, that's some of a guy. He's making fun of me. And I said, what do you mean he's making fun of me? Because he said he's whispering Peanuts name through the wall. I said, what? He's whispering your dog's name. Yes.

He said that whoever it was would get outside of his bedroom. And, you know, he said he had a real low voice and go, he's nuts, like that. Well, during the daytime, not at night, the little dog, he was some little chihuahua mix. He'd let peanut out to use, you know, the bathroom do his business. And when he called him back, he would stand on his front porch you yell peanut, peanut, you know, try to get

the dog to come back to the house. Well, I knew then, I said, okay, we're doing it with a human being now because he's heard a voice, he's heard somebody. I don't know. I mean, to tell you, because I didn't believe in this,

and I don't know about you, Wes, but, you know, every once in a while, I still don't believe in it. It's almost like this couldn't be. This is a part of my reality. It's so alien from what I believe about the world that it shifted. How you see things now. You know, after I talked to Jim, I was thinking,

God, I would love to talk to a neighbor in that area to see if they're experiencing what this older couple was talking about. And Ben lived right there. And he had a lot of encounters to share. So thank you, Ben, for coming on. and tonight I'll be welcoming back to the show Derek Condon. He's the author of the Triangle series, and it's a collection of books investigating regions associated with UFO encounters,

Bigfoot, cryptid sightings, paranormal experiences, any strange mysteries in a particular area. And I've been reading the Seattle Triangle book. I'm actually still reading it. And I have actually really enjoyed reading Derek's book, books. If you get a chance, I'll include a link below. Go and check out his books, and I'll include a link for Derek's website and also his store, Bigfoot Gems. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into part two of the Triangle series. Derek, welcome back to the show. Yeah, thanks for having me back and looking forward to it. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know last time we really didn't get a chance to pull very many accounts from your books. And so tonight what I thought we do is kind of, I know you have some accounts pulled aside. If you would for the audience, would you kind of share one of the accounts that you've pulled? Yeah, the first one, so what I did was put together some, a couple short summaries of a few of the stories. And the first one can be found in the Oregon Triangle book.

And it's called the Lake Harriet Mine Creature. That's actually one that started relatively recently because a lot of these stories go back or encounters or events, you know, decades. This one's from 1996. And it was actually, like I mentioned in Oregon, the Lake Harriet region. It was a young couple entered an abandoned mind. And then when they entered that mind, the first thing that grabbed their attention was the odor of decay, like a wet animal or sewage smell. And then what they did was continue in and they had their flashlights out. And what it showed was they came up on a large, silver, gray-haired figure sitting about 12 feet in the mine.

And it was sitting there. And they don't see any more other than it was a figure. could tell it was not an animal exactly, but they had that scent and its knees were raised. Its arms were wrapped around them and around itself with its head lowered. So you can kind of visualize a humanoid figure with long gray silver hair, again, just kind of sitting there that sneezed up and arms wrapped around. And that was what they encountered. And then they, what it was, they of course got terrified at the scene because it wasn't

clearly a person just sitting there or anything like that. So investigators, they contacted the group and they showed up two days later and found a large oval bed that was put together from sticks and leaves and mushrooms, all sorts of things. And they could see that there were certain plant stocks that were in the area that were that were growing miles away that had been brought there and whatever this thing was had been eating. So it was really interesting from that perspective that it wasn't obviously a human. It was unedible plant stocks that, you know, people wouldn't eat and that they had that direct

sighting, even using their flashlight. So they didn't stick around just like I wouldn't. If I walked into a mine in any region and all of a sudden this like, you know, almost demonic-like figure is just kind of sitting there all just curled up, sitting down. And then again, they contact and they came back and realized that, yep, something was living there and it was recently eating.

And there's a whole lot more to the story in the book, of course, but I wanted to bring that one up because the books aren't just about UFOs and bigfoots. They're about these just unexplainable, unusual, I don't even what to say, but figures that sometimes people come up on and in this case,

and in an abandoned mine, I think I mentioned, the Lake Harriet region of Oregon. Yeah, that is creepy and fascinating. Did the creature react at all to them? It didn't jump up and run out of them or anything like that, but it did move. So there was some movement there, so they knew it was something living. But it basically just kind of stayed hunkered down and pulled tight. Again, I guess the impression would be like a, for lack of a better term, a demonic-like figure that was down there.

It was clearly not a human. And it wasn't like some old guy out there living in the mine. Just let his hair go. It was something paranormal or, you know, I don't know, a better way of putting it. So, but yeah, and there was no more of a description of what they gave in that one because, again, they pretty much when they came up on it, they kind of left there real quickly and ran away. And then it was until they contacted a group that went in there and did some paranormal investigation and found that, yeah, oh yeah, something's definitely in there. It wasn't just a visual phenomenon.

They didn't have, you know, they weren't imagining anything. There was something large enough that was, again, eating the foliage that could only be found several miles away. So that was another unusual part of it too. So you know it was coming and going. But no, it didn't jump up and, you know, start screaming or chatting with them or anything like that. So that was kind of one of those creepy creature stories that are in that Oregon book. Yeah, that is a creepy one. You know, as you were describing it, my mind went to Sasquatch.

I wonder what it was about it that made them think paranormal or demonic. Basically because it was, and they didn't jump on the Sasquatch aspect of it because they could tell that it was, you know, just not an animal looking. It was just the way it was. So they basically called it a creature because it was the long silver gray hair. And it was, again, it was only sitting about 12 feet from them. So that's really close. You can definitely tell what it is or isn't to some degree when you're that close to it.

But yeah, it was just because the smell is, again, as I mentioned, the odor of decay and the sewage and just, I mean, they were trying to describe the smell, just like I, when I try and describe the Sasquatch smell that I encountered, you can't really, because it's really an accumulation of stuff or just, you know, mixture it's an unknown smell it wasn't you know identifiable and then the other thing was they found different mosses and lichen and mushrooms and things like that that were laying around there as well and then they the demonic you know for lack of a better way of putting that aspect was because it was not responding from what i gleaned from the story that i read from the actual encounter was it thought it couldn't be seen so it was just kind of sitting there and hunkered up like i said

sitting down and trying not to be, you know, noticeable. And then the feeling they had from it as well, but, you know, you can imagine coming up on anything in a dark abandoned mind that's, you know, might trigger your senses pretty quickly and be a little bit scary. So that was, and then again, the fact that the researchers came in two days later and found its bed, it was made from everything from sticks to leaves to cedar and maple ferns, all sorts of things. And had been chewed up and turned into the bed.

So it wasn't just like, oh, there's a cedar branch lane there and it's laying on it. No, these things were all chewed from how they put it chewed up and then turned into the bed. So that was another unusual aspect of it. Yeah, I mean, obviously I wasn't there, but my mind still goes to Sasquatch. And I get the demonic thing. You know, I've heard they smell like sulfur. I've heard they smell like, oh, like what you were saying, Derek. It's always a combination of things, rotting flesh, some of the worst smells ever.

But you'll often hear of accounts from eyewitnesses where they'll come in and out of caves, in and out of mines, in and out of abandoned buildings. And if you listen to encounters what people say, like hunters and hikers and that sort of thing, Sasquatch doesn't react the way people think it's going to react. You'll often hear of them freezing like a statue. and it's weird it's weird behavior i don't know why they do that but you'll often hear that and it makes me wonder if what they actually ran into was a saskatch it's a weird account either way yeah yeah it's hard to like you know put your finger on i say well it's exactly this because well

i mean all they knew was it wasn't a typical human or again you can maybe think well you know an old mountain guy just living in the the mountains kind of thing in this cave but no they were within 12 feet. So they knew it wasn't that, but they couldn't exactly, you know, pinpoint on what it was exactly either. They knew it was living and, you know, there, but outside of that, they didn't have much of an explanation. I don't know that I would either. Yeah, it's a strange account. Tell me about the next one. Yeah, the next one was kind of interesting because it was, again, a little more recent. So this one was 2003, and it's titled the Deloma Firefighters. So what it was, there was a 2003 Loma Fire in Northern California where the firefighters had camped beside the

river several miles from the active fire. And then what they reported, and this was from the firefighters, was near dusk. Multiple crew members watched a tall, muscular brown, haired figure walking upright opposite the bank, about 25 yards away. So we're not talking about up on a mountain or hillside where you're, well, am I kind of seeing that? I'm not sure how big it is. But the primary witness estimated that stood about seven feet tall and the hair all over it was several inches long. So just like you probably right now, me, you're kind of narrowing that one into a Sasquatch kind of thing. And what it was, more firefighters actually gathered.

So there was multiple witnesses. They had their flashlights. And the figure remained visible for several minutes. So once the, again, the figure, which I'm going to assume was a Sasquatch, because that's exactly how they basically describe it. Over a short period of time, just a few minutes, it appeared to recognize the attention from the firefighters and retreated into the trees.

Now, again, these were trained outdoor workers. Yeah, they were in a remote country, but they're trained, and it wasn't their first time. So it wasn't their first rodeo, you can say. But it was definitely they saw it, and it was, again, not more than 25, what, feet away. yard and I'm trying to read right yards away. And that was interesting because it had so many independent witnesses as well.

And that's just a group of firefighters where it was in that area. So it kind of looked like I would have visual of, well, it was, you know, moving away as anything alive would from the fire. And then it had nowhere else to go other than towards their encampment. So that was a pretty interesting one as well. And nothing more exciting as if it went at them or anything like that because I didn't come across many of those stories to where a Sasquatch, you know, was aggressive and even my own encounters, not aggression at all, actually, more of an interest going both ways between the Sasquatch and the human or the human of the Sasquatch. Yeah, that's an amazing account, especially with the multiple witnesses.

You know, over the years, I've interviewed woodland firefighters that have run into these creatures. And it's odd. because every other animal in an area where there's a forest fire, they've left. They're gone. You know, years ago, I interviewed this deputy sheriff named Ash, and he had made friends with one of these woodland firefighters. They actually became really good friends. And back in the day, they would have to go sit in a fire tower and kind of watch over an area. And that's what Ash's friend, I believe his name was Dobbs. That's what he did. He would go sit in these fire tower. and so Ash would drive him out there, drop him off, and pick him up after his shift. Well, when Ash goes out there to pick him up later that night, a huge forest fire had broken out.

And Dobbs would always be waiting for him at the end of the trail. While this particular night, Dobbs wasn't there. And so this deputy sheriff goes up to see if make sure he's okay, find out where he's at, and this is what happened. thing was wrong and this is why I didn't turn around and go back to my car and call in the fire and I moved forward at this point almost up to the risk at this point the smell of smoke is heavy there's an orange glow in the sky ground in front of me something that you know had reflected and I'd seen it I just yelled Dobbs as loud as I could and screamed it over and over took my flashlight

and I'm shining this of the trail this rock he could kind of lean on it and stay on his feet and there were some scrub ced cedars and he was kind of crows I mean, it will hear, and I'm looking around, and he points with his gun. And I look inside the woods, right that distance, I could see that it was close to its knees, if not past its knees. And it apparently was moving diagoner heard me, turned at the waist, and it was standing there frozen, just like we were. And so even with that clip, you know,

we were talking about the behavior of them freezing. They kind of freeze in place. And that's what this creature was doing. But what I find odd about it is you would think, Sasquatch would flee an area, especially if there's a major fire going on. I mean, every animal on the planet does. But here is a forest fire raging. Dobbs is on its way down to the car, and yet the Sasquatch is like,

you know what, I'm going to screw with this guy for a little bit. You would think firefighters out there in the forest would never run into Sasquatch because they'd be long gone, but in most cases they're not. It's odd behavior. Yeah, and where I kind of falling on that one, again, partially from my own experience and then from a lot of the different stories I've encountered, I mean, a lot of the evidence looks like they don't have to necessarily just run from a fire. They can move. You can say teleport. I'm not sure exactly what's going on, but they do do things like that. And it's a lot of encounters to where all of a sudden it's here and then it's over here where I know they can move fast and they take large. steps and all of that, but it wasn't going to cover that distance in the time that's there, be it a few seconds or a whole mountainside in a minute or two. So, you know, I don't know,

it's hard to fall in on that one, but I'm like, there's something to the whole paranormal aspect of them to where they can go from A to B and then to C without being seen. So, you know, that's, that's pretty much where my mind goes is because, again, during my one, the one encounter on Mount Baker, we talked a little bit about where I know it didn't. run through that area because I would have heard it as I heard it initially and all of a sudden it was up further and I there was no other explanation for it. Yeah, I've heard that theory thrown around a lot and I guess it makes me wonder how that works and really if that's true, then what is Sasquatch? Because it sounds more like a spirit and you know,

Sasquatch is very physical. I guess I used to think, you know, if something is more spiritual, it's not physical, but I've been proven wrong in that. I personally think they can because, again, from my personal sessions and the readings I've done, and whereas I, again, I have to sometimes invent my own lingo for it. So I'll call it different channels, kind of like different channels on the radio. You know, you turn your focus onto one, your dial, you have country, turn a little bit more, blues, rap, just go, whatever, all in the same space. So the way I would then word it to somebody who's given me either these encounters firsthand or in mind is they can somehow focus their frequency onto another channel or density is all sometimes term it.

And then they can turn it back on in a different location. So that's, again, the best way I can wrap my head around her to kind of put words to it is they just basically change their frequency or energy. So they're off this physical channel that we experience for the most part of our lives. And then they tune in somewhere else. So when I do a psychic medium session, well, I know that the spirits, entities, past loved ones, whatever somebody wants to call them. Well, they're not getting in an Uber coming to Bigfoot's gems and, you know, for the session kind of thing.

They're their instantaneously because I have no idea who a client wants to communicate with. Because usually I only get half the time. I don't even get the person's first name. They're just boom on Zoom instantly or their physical session. And then they go, well, I want to talk to so-and-so. And then in a fraction of a second, I mean, basically by the time they're done thinking about it, that individual is here and I'm able to communicate with them. So then again, for me to wrap my head around it, I just started describing it as,

well, they're just on a different channel. And they put more focus on this. Some people call it dimensions, but I like the word density. this density or channel we, most of our focus is on because we're usually experiencing reality through our five physical senses and not our sixth sense. But once you turn that one on, well, then the whole spatial part of it is a mute point because they're here instantly. So I kind of think Sasquatch does the same thing.

Yeah, I struggle with that. I mean, there's no doubt that there's weird stuff that goes on in people's encounters. When people encounter these things, sometimes they'll report very paranormal, odd behavior that doesn't seem like anything from this planet. But the bulk of their behavior, you know, they eat, they poop, they break trees, they bang on trees. And they had like this weird technology to where they can teleport somewhere else. I struggle with it. It's hard to wrap your head around. I'm with you 100% because I have no I just know that these certain things happen but how because I'm with you on that once you're you think you're in that physical vehicle we can call a body well then you're stuck and limited to this but I also learned well I didn't actually I'll kind of preempt to tell you I didn't believe any of this was real I was again a commercial deep C diver army veteran the correction officer not into all of this wasn't reading ghost stories or books or listening I wasn't into none of this I was in and none of this I was

was living my life on that. And then all of a sudden, when I got thrust into it, then all of a sudden I had to go, okay, well, I guess there is something to this. And I'll tell you, every single, I was going to say a year, but every month at least, something new happens or occurs. Or, for example, in a session, well, this may actually tie into what we're talking about. I'll have, again, I term them entities. I don't mean like ET, but just an entity or spirit would be another term. So if I'm doing a session, let's say in person, and as a person sitting on the couch, I'm kind of referencing you right here to my right, and I'll talk to him and all of a sudden I get to see somebody and they start chatting and they go, well, what time does it look like,

blah, blah, blah, or what are they wearing? And when the person realizes who they are, well, what's been happening is that person, so I'll see the entity come up and sometimes maybe hug the person in front of me. Well, that person feels it. They literally have felt it. And I've seeing things move in the room. So, for example, somebody wanted to maybe communicate with a past pet of theirs, a dog or a cat or something. And I didn't know if this was even real. I don't even know how to wrap my head around it.

But all of a sudden, on the seat of the couch sitting next to the person, we will in physical reality see that cushion or the place on the couch indent as if something just got there. And I'll see it in my, I'll call it psychic guy or my sights, because I'll get a little. perspective about that, knowing that the client can't see anything, and sometimes they'll feel something emotionally, but when they also see it physically, like leave that impression on the bed or the couch or something like that, it's, I don't even know how to wrap, and they don't see it. So it's not like all of a sudden, let's go with the cat one, because that's a strong one a lot of people connect with. They'll, they'll think about their cat and we'll start trying to communicate

or something like that. I'll see the cat come over. and actually either jump on their lap or or get around there sometimes sits on their shoulder things like that and the person will go and i'll watch it and they'll go i just felt it on my shoulder and they're physically feeling it they're not this is before i tell them anything and say well your spirit kitty just climbed over here and sat there and then they go and say well i just thought no it's the opposite so i know it's the thing but now how to describe it i i wouldn't even know how I have where to begin. Can I ask you a question and don't take offense to it?

I watch this guy on YouTube. He comes up in my feet every once in a while. I think it's called Santa paranormal. Anyway, he goes around. He cleans gravestones. And while he's there, he has a spirit box. And he'll interact with the spirits. One time he's out there and the spirit said to him,

this is a seance. And he goes, no, no, no, no. this isn't a seance. And the spirit goes, this is a seance. When you're interacting with these spirits, how do you know who you're talking to? Well, now it varies because

I get to, and I kind of jokingly call it, I get to cheat because I have, I get to actually see different entities or figures or things, so we'll all know who I'm communicating with. But I can also watch, in fact, I did with my wife yesterday. It was, oh,

Expedition X, some show on, I think it was Discovery Channel, where they were getting out those, I'll just call them spirit boxes. Well, even on, I can't wrap my head around this one either, but it doesn't matter if it's a TV show that's recorded, I can still tune in to whomever they're speaking with. So it'll vary sometimes. I don't think, and I'll tell you, and I have some of those boxes. In fact, I got one sitting here next to me, somebody gifted me, thinking, well, this is the right guy to give one of these, you know, I'll just call it a ghost box or spear box. Well, mine I don't even turn on because it won't stop. It just goes crazy, just words coming in all the time. My ears will start ringing, so it's almost, you know, useless for somebody like me.

And I don't exactly know why other than maybe a whole bunch of them are trying to communicate. But I'll tell you, it's not always who people think they're communicating with when I have seen that. Or I've gone on a location with, I'll just call them ghost hunters or paranormal investigators and things like. like that because I can walk in and first things I'll do is just feel it I'll just say I guess emotionally would be the best way to put it I'll feel emotion of another person just like if you were talking to somebody and they were getting upset about something well that empathic energy you'll feel it to a degree and then often it'll turn physical and then it'll and then I'll get what's called download so just random information because I don't know who the heck I'm going to encounter

Information comes in and then I'll get a visual. So it's kind of like all your senses. When you get a plate of food in front of you, well, you're gonna see it first, okay? And then you're gonna maybe feel it. And then you're gonna taste it and smell it. And then it goes on and on and starts hitting more senses. But I can just tell you from my own experience

with individuals doing that. Because I'll sometimes see somebody, let's just say, trying to chat through their spirit box or ghost box, it's not who they thought it was. It's sometimes somebody different. So there are what some people call tricksters out there. You know, I think that's kind of a nice way of putting it. But there's a lot of, as I worded earlier, channels or, you know, stations out there

where different entities do come through and try and connect with us. Sometimes via those boxes, I mean, there's lots of ways of doing it. Have you ever had a bad experience doing this? Yeah, I have. And it was the one that I claimed that was before I learned what I call aetheric hygiene or armoring. Many people call it protecting themselves energetically or ethically. But before I was really aware of that, again, I was doing the thing, the session

kind of thing. And all of a sudden, and it's not typical from, at least for me, my perspective, to tune into what many. And I'm always trying to watch my word in here. So tune into what we were typically. called demons or you know negative entities things like that generally either deceased loved ones or or sometimes animals like i mentioned but in this one particular one and i found out after the session because again i don't ask any questions it's this sessions are scheduled online you know

all i know is your name at best if i have a chance to pull that up before i sit down and do it and often i don't but this one was a session and then they told me after the fact and i'll get into the actual story part of it or the explanation in just a moment. But they would tell me, well, yeah, we do tend to go to old cemeteries and do what you just mentioned seances or communication and things like that. And one of their friends evidently was a little more on the darker side, I'll say, the more demonic stuff. So in a session, I sat down, they sat down, I sat down, I start tuning in, start seeing who

I pick up on. And all of a sudden, and it's unusual from my person. perspective because I don't just fear doesn't hit me I'm just not one of those people it's not a thing that happens all the time I've just done too much stuff and I'm a skydiver again commercial deep sea diver and a lot of things where that whole fear aspect just isn't a normal sense of mine so when I do feel it I know something's up and I'm obviously not fearing the client in front of me so we tuned in I tuned in all of a sudden I start feeling that and then for whatever reason when I, and I'll describe one moment, but when I pick up on those type of entities,

I guess if you, to make a visual, if the client sitting in front of me, their past loved ones will be kind of directly behind them, maybe a little bit raised, and I have no idea why, but that's the thing. They're a little bit raised as if they're off the ground, but when the more, as I'm going to definitely word these ones, demonic ones, they're higher. They're up in the air. I'd say if it was a, If there was something you can measure, I don't know, maybe six or seven foot above them. And they're kept that way any time when I perceive them. So in this case, I started chatting with the person and she asked me, or they used to them,

they asked me, well, you know, and this is why they made the session, but I didn't know this at the time. They started saying, well, do we have any attachments? Is there anything evil around us or something like that? And I'm like, oh, okay. That's not an everyday question, but let's check and see. and all of a sudden, I do start picking up on, again, that anxiety and or fear kicked in immediately, not because of, in my logical head, I'm thinking, well, we're going to tune in some bad guys.

I better watch out. That's not my personality. I just did it. All of a sudden, just like I explained us, sensing or experiencing food, your sense to start turning on, I could sense that, and then all of a sudden I got a visual, and I realized, and it wasn't a good one. it was just what maybe somebody would typically think of a demon. It wasn't, I don't know, I'm trying to be how to describe it.

I don't want to give it too much thought either because you never know how much that stuff tunes back in, but I haven't had an issue since that session. Just a darker, it was reddish face, humanoid, meaning it had a face, had eyes. I can see it from the torso up. And it was just, I guess what you'd say, evil looking. And then I realized that. So then immediately, and different energy workers or psychics or mediums have different ways of doing this. And it may sound a little bit corny, but love energy is a thing.

And again, I wasn't brought up thinking that or white light this. I had no training whatsoever. But over all the sessions, I realized that, well, if I literally just decide or focus on what I'm calling love energy inside of me, putting it around the person, that has an effect. because I'd had hundreds of circumstances where I've done that. You often not even tell them the person. So let's say somebody walks in the store and they have an issue or an attachment or an injury or something. I get made fun of by my family and coworkers because they go, you didn't tell them, did you?

And what I say is no. So I'll surround them with white light or love and instantly they'll respond. Again, not knowing that, you know, psychic Derek standing over there doing this. No, I don't tell them anything because I'm just not that guy. I really don't want the attention, to be honest, unless it's like during a session, then I tell them a little bit more. So I'll do that, and the person will respond immediately, almost like it was a show on TV set up to have that happen. So after hundreds of those experiences, I know it's a thing. And I'll tell you, in that confidence of knowing that I have, it makes it stronger for some reason, where I don't have to question everything.

It just is. and then when I go at it doing that, it gets stronger. So on these two people, I surrounded them with just, I imagine literally, and anybody can do this. Imagine just white light of, and I said love would be the word I use in my head, because I kind of preempted that or, you know, most of us think of that term as a good thing and positive energy. And I'll tell you, that way we think about thing is what affects those frequencies. So when I surround them with that, that demon-like figure,

was not happy. He started to fade away a little bit. And I'll tell you, not a whole lot more happened with that figure in the session. He eventually, a matter of seconds, just disappeared out of my sight, couldn't see him anymore. And I'm like, okay, well, that's a good thing. Went on with the session. Did whatever they asked me, you know, communicate with or, you know, if they asked questions, whatever it was, didn't give it any more thought until after the session.

I walked out of my office and I was heading into where my wife was up in, I'll just say the front office and all of a sudden I picked up on that sensation again so it was almost like smelling something bad or evil the same anxiety and stress I did in the office and all of a sudden something invisible thing as you were to grab my arm and it literally and it's the first time this ever happened felt like my arm was being broken it was my right arm and I was sitting there I took everything I had not to scream out loud and I'm like I'm go oh my God and they knew something was wrong because I don't just respond like that. And all of a sudden, so we're looking at my right arm and something, it can't have been

my bone, I mean, again, I can't wrap my head around it, but something started pushing up out of the spot to where as if something grabbed my arm and near the wrist and near the elbow and just started breaking it. So if you visualize like maybe your arm being broken and the bone pushing up out of the skin, that is exactly what happened on my arm. And we have a photo of it where I'd say an inch and a half, it never broke the skin, but it started pushing up while I was in this extreme pain. I was literally wanting to yell pushing out of my arm.

And then basically I had to get my wherewithal and realize, oh, this is what they were termed a psychic attack. But somehow it was turning physical to where those around me could actually see that. I'll just say, and when I say bump, that doesn't do it justice because it was more like a finger. poking from inside my arm out. It was that distinct. I did, again, when I could wrap my head around and calm down a little bit, I'm like, okay, and I went in a room actually that I called a Shungai room. So I painted this specific room with Shungai paint.

I don't know if we talked about that. But went in there for just say extra protection to stay in that energy of Shungi. And then I got to focus on it being just letting go, not doing it. And then over, it was moments and not like, so I'd say a minute. a minute or less, all of a sudden that huge, again, what looked like a large bump or about the size of your finger trying to poke out, which gave me the impression it was my bone somehow doing that, went away. And then the pain started to dissipate when I started again, surrounded myself with white light, putting my thoughts around that entity that I just

dealt with, you know, maybe the half an hour before in the beginning of the session. And then the session ended and got rid of it. And then it started to take down. So that would be what I would term, I wouldn't even turn this psychic attack, but it was, but it was somehow it manifested physically and was literally, as far as I could tell, trying to to break my arm. But my arm wasn't broke after the fact. This only lasted a few minutes. By that point, I had done hundreds of sessions and would have never said that was possible. I'm just a blunt guy. I just drive with it. I said, no, it's all going to be an energy thing. You know, it's all going to work in our intentions and what we call our imagination, even though

you'll still feel it and it's real, but usually it's not a physical thing, but after that day, it's 100% I know it's a thing that those darker or evil entities can affect us physically as well. And that was my first experience realizing that. Let me ask you, and then we'll get back to the book. The Apostle John describes God as love. The actual statement is God is love. He's describing the core essence of God. No one says Derek is love. No one says Wes is love. They might say Wes is loving or Derek is loving.

These are actions, but it's not our core essence. If I die and I'm stuck here, roaming around as a spirit, or like the guy we talked about last time when you worked in corrections, how that one prisoner had died and now he haunts the jail. or I've had people on the show where they'll say, oh, my daughter plays with a spirit ghost. You know, it was a little girl that died a long time ago in this home. And my daughter plays with her. Very nonchalant. If you follow those encounters, in the end, that little spirit girl becomes something very, very dark. It was never a child spirit. But if God is allowing the dead to be stuck here, then John's a liar.

And God is a liar. Because that's not love. You can't have it both ways. You can't say God's essence is love, but he leaves behind the spirit of children to roam the earth or be stuck here. If I was the devil, I wouldn't show up with horns and a pitch for and be terrifying. I would show up as a child. I would show up as a loved one.

It's hard to deceive people when you show up with a pitchfork and horns and fire and brimstone because you'll never deceive anyone. And I'm curious, Derek, what are your thoughts about God? Great question. I'll tell you this. So I grew up neutral. So I've joined no religions. It just wasn't something that was in my family at the time.

I'm not anti them. It just wasn't a thing that I was brought into or aware of. It was just so I'd say neutral perspective. So I didn't really know anything like that. So again, I'm not coming from my religious background or teachings or upbringing. But I'll tell you, there is something to that. And I like I described it as love. And I'm also going to agree with you on that I'll just say if the bad guys come in, yes, sometimes they do.

where the persona of someone else, less threatening, because I have seen that. Now, I'll also say, because I have communicated with, I don't even know how many children now, well, but they're not ghosts. They tune into this frequency or energy when I reach out to them or the client starts thinking about them. So it's not that they're stuck here, at least in my experiences. They're not stuck here or anything like that. It's more of when they're thought about, Well, then they put enough, again, I have to invent ways of saying it, but they put enough of their focus here to where someone like me that can see off of the visual spectrum. And there are devices that can do this too. But some of us, for whatever reason, again, that's just how I word it, perceive or see off the visual spectrum.

They tune in enough of their focus here on this reality to where we can pick up on it. But that doesn't mean that they're stuck here because I've never come across. again as I worded entity or some people who say ghosts that has been stuck i've seen replays of scenarios and things like that or if i go to this area and i know that so-and-so died here there's a set in the other well yeah i can tune into that that person because they're not limited to being stuck in their body that's just a vehicle so once they're out of that physical vehicle well then they're on the metaphysical reality so not non-physical and they can be tuned into. But I haven't seen, again, what some people say,

so if a little kid dies there and they get stuck or something like that, no, it's usually me tuning in to more of themselves that has moved on. But that's not to say there are, I'll just say, reruns of scenarios that happen down here. Because like that, and we talked about in the prison, that Baker Unit Ghost, as he was called, he didn't appear stuck. It's more of a, I don't know where this one. I'll put it this way. So it depends on the entity or the spirit, on what their thinking or understandings are. So once they have that realization, there is more, well, then they're not stuck here.

But if somebody, for example, let's say, dies and they're just dead set in their thoughts that there is nothing more, there is no God, there's no blah, blah, blah, whatever their belief system tells them, well then they're not willing to accept that and they can maintain their focus here so i have seen that is well so it's kind of there's there's a lot of aspects to that so some that like the inmate one he never tried to communicate with me we just saw him so heard him and then he'd stand over there but there was no communication chatting um and i didn't tune him at the time because that was kind of early on when i was first having my senses heightened you'll say um so i didn't try communication. It was more like, oh my gosh, am I actually, you know, experiencing this?

Is this really, again, I know psychic teacher or anything like, I didn't even believe in any of that. I thought the whole psychic thing was BS. All I knew was Ms. Cleo when I lived in California, which was some 1-800 psychic on TV that would come on there. And I go, yeah, okay, scam. And it was a scam. But I'm just saying, that was my only introduction to it. So I would be literally what you say, a non-believer, until all of a sudden my senses heightened. And I started having the experiences, well, then there's just no denying it whatsoever. But yeah, I'd have to say, I kind of agree with the way you kind of termed it, that God would be love because, again, if I'm totally honest,

I'd have to say, no, I didn't believe in the God. So I would say a higher energy. And that's not to say there isn't, but it's always that play of words on what you call God. So I like the way you termed it as far as love, because I've communicated with people that have come through and said, I don't want to get too specific because I know some of my clients will be listening to this, so I'll be kind of vague, but say enough to where it gets across, let's say somebody has a loved one that was tragically killed down here,

and they come in, they go, well, so-and-so just passed, I want to chat with them kind of thing. Well, that happens easily and directly, and then that person will pass on their messages or have me acknowledge something the person has in their pocket or this, that, and the other, again, I don't want to get too specific here, something like that to where the person knows absolutely that there's no way Derek had any idea about this or that I had this secret thing in my pocket or I'm wearing their special jacket or whatever. And then the person comes in, the spirit, I'll just use that term, comes in, gives their messages,

communications, and then all of a sudden they basically disappear and I'll just, again, for lack of a better way of putting it, go to where they want to go. And that just rang my ear right there and just saying. And that's part of it too, as when I do this stuff, even now, I'm trying not to focus too much on anyone particular reading because then I'm literally,

and that's all it takes. And then literally I'm tuning in back into that person. And then I'll start having them, you know, be a part of it kind of thing too. So I always have to kind of watch what I'm doing. But once they think about love, they're not stuck here.

They just have to have that realization. I was muted out when you, brought up Miss Cleo, but I was busting up laughing. We must be around the same age because I remember seeing her on TV, too, thinking, this lady's insane. You know, as I get older, and maybe it happens to people who are listening to the show, because I never thought about it in my 20s and most of my 30s. In my 20s, I was going to live forever.

But I think the older you get, the more you start to think, about what happens when we go. And I've had a lot of loss in my life. I've had a lot of people pass. I've seen my parents pass, friends, grandparents. And when I kind of started on my journey, and I'm not trying to convert you to anything here. I'm a sinner. I'm nobody. But when I very first started on my journey, as I got older and was thinking about death, I was thinking about what happens when we go. You brought up the metaphysical. So when Derek passes and leaves this world, what happens next? God forbid, by the way. Yeah, no, I know. I appreciate that. And I get it because, you know, it's going to happen to all of us. And before I could do what I do now, I was, I'd have a

little bit of fear there. I think, oh my gosh, you know, whatever, this and this has happened, am I going to be in some dark place? Do I have to find some tunnel or blah, blah, blah? There's countless stories out there and often what I've learned, not just from the psychic medium sessions, but from hypnotherapy sessions and things, usually people experience initially what they have already believed in or thought about so that it's a more comfortable transition. So if all of a sudden somebody dies and they plan on seeing their dead, grandpa, grandma, or whomever kind of thing too, well, often that entity will be the one that shows up to make that, or maybe they'll want to see a Jesus figure or a Buddha figure, or, again, depending on their belief system, they're going to see that entity.

It really just depends on their willingness and openness to it. But eventually everything I've noticed, they, and I haven't released it yet, but I actually wrote a book on, it's free on the Internet, but not in published form, near-death experiences to where I researched and analyzed, you know, I don't know, it was hundreds of them. And when all is said and done, I wish I had it up here in front of me, but it's in the high 80s something percentile, people will encounter a previous loved one and they'll have a chat with the person, things like that. So it really varies. But for me, because I'm so hyper aware and I've talked to so many entities and things, I'm going to go exactly where I decide to. and that's not a place. Again, it's a channel or a focus is where it would be. So some people may say, well, okay, well, my happy place where I want to end up going,

at least initially, because then you'll get your alternative. It's not going to quite make sense. You'll get your footing or wherewithal once you've transitioned and then have more realizations and realize you're not limited to a place. You can invent a place or a way of being. So let's say somebody wants to end up in a grassy field because that's their happy spot. Just surrounded by flowers and loved ones. Well, then that's what happens to them.

But ones that have transitioned to where, let's just say they've done a bunch of bad things in this life. And I'm not saying they're going to end up the spot because of that, but because they believe they are, they usually will perceive sometimes not a great scenario. Because let's say somebody dies and go, well, I'm going straight to hell. Or I'm going to where the bad guys roam or, you know, however they're, want to wrap their head around it, that's typically what happens is it goes to whatever their thoughts are at the time or their belief system. So it can vary for everybody. And for me, I'm going to have all my past animals because I'm already hyper aware. I don't have to believe anything. I know it.

It is just a fact of reality. We're on one fraction of what's actually out there. You know, maybe 10% of reality is physical, physicists will say, and 90% is metaphysical. Well, the 90% is presents a whole lot and it's not something you experience physically. It's metaphysically. And how you do that is with your thoughts and intentions and feelings. So again, I'm hyper aware of that. So basically I'm going to have, I actually kind of got to tell you this part too. So I've done, I don't know how many sessions now where sometimes it's with the person transitioning or the family member comes in. For example, they say, well, grandma is in the hospital right now. And, you I want to check on her.

Well, sometimes when I do that, I pick up on or perceive the person in both areas, kind of like they're, and I don't care if they're in a coma and they're just totally non-responsive or they have, you know, just Alzheimer's or something like that to be integrated where they can't communicate or know anything where they're at. That's not where they're stuck. I'll put it that way. They're not stuck in their body or, again, as I worded a vehicle. They're to where their thoughts are.

So then I can communicate with that person as well. And I'll kind of word it like, well, you know, they're the kind of, I won't say transitioning, but they're on both sides right now. Yeah, they're somewhat in their body, but much of them, because sometimes I'll see the person, let's go with the memory issues or Alzheimer's or they're getting ready to pass. Well, I'll see them come in in what we would call spirit form. And they'll already be with, let's say the example is it's a lady who's, having that issue and her husband already died, because that's a scenario that's happened a lot of

times that I've come across, she'll already be with him on the other side and she'll start giving me messages, even though she's physically alive, she'll go, no, don't worry about it. You know, and I'm going to kind of paraphrase here. Don't worry about it. I'm with who I need to be. You know, let my, let's say it's the granddaughter in here with me. Let her know that, you know, I'm doing just fine and, you know, she's nothing to worry about. I'm not stuck there or something like that. So I've seen those scenarios play out time and time again. Again, it's just very per person. I've never, I may have a limited perspective. I don't know. But at least in what I've experienced, I've never seen somebody stuck somewhere or eventually not after they died have the realization

they can move on from that. It's just getting them to realize it if that makes sense. You know, I actually spent a lot of time, a lot of time, a lot of hours looking into near-death experiences. The one thing I found fascinating is a lot of these eyewitnesses were atheists. They believed in Islam. They believed in, you know, Buddhism. They believed in there was nothing really in their background that would make them think that when they're, when they die, they're going to hell. And I wasn't even really sure that, I mean, and this is many years back, I really wasn't even sure that I bought into hell, which makes no sense when he think about it. Because Jesus spoke more about hell than he did anything else.

It was the main topic he talked about in the New Testament. A lot of these people who died on an operating table or a terrible crash or, and again, I'm talking non-Christians, atheists, atheist, people who really don't have that concept of hell or don't really buy into it. Most of these near-death experiences, most of these people went to hell. And what shocked me, when they come back, they're describing hell, but they're quoting scripture. And they don't even know they're quoting scripture because they've never read that portion or they had no interest in anything in the Bible.

But when they're describing hell, they're quoting from the New Testament. And it shocked me to see that. Not not everyone went to hell, but a lot of these people went to hell. So these people who are atheists, you know, they believe in Buddhism, they believe in different religions that don't teach hell, or maybe they don't believe in anything, these eyewitnesses are very consistent from one, to the next on their experience in hell.

They all overlap. So not really buying into hell, coming back and describing it in a manner of quoting scripture that they've never read is strange to me. I mean, I'm sure you've come across that. And I know you said you'd written a book and really looked into it. There's no doubt in my mind you've come across that. Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.

I have. and again as I worded as a channel well and I did not again even believe that that there was a hell or this that and you know I thought it was all just stories made up by humans well there is a channel out there that some of us do visit when why you know that be just you know I wouldn't know exactly why other than how I see this again what the person's thinking or believing and again like you mentioned they don't have to even know about a hell but yes there is that density or channel of what most of us would say was evil and darkness and not good stuff, that absolutely exists.

Now, if we want to give it a name and a title like hell, there's probably other names that I don't know about because, again, I'm not a part of any religion of any kind, but it's there. That is a thing. So I would think that Jesus and other, I'll just say, aware individuals that have lived lives down here, know about that and they're trying to basically word it the way they can best where we can wrap

our heads around it that yeah you want to do more good than bad because you don't want to kind of default there but I'll also say that I've researched and or communicate with individuals that did end up there but then have certain realizations and then they ended up in what you typically call a heaven scene. So I've seen it both ways, but again, I would have been, what, it would have been 20 years ago now, I would have laughed, go, oh, sure, there's

a hell because I lied to this, that the other, and I'm not saying people are going there, they lying stuff, because good luck on making it through life and never lying. That's going to happen, even if it's called a white lie. But it's more how much the person spins it in their head, but there are,

again, I don't have the way of putting it, but there are densely. cities out there that are hell-like, just like there are some that are heaven-like, so different channels. And it's just what the person believes. And I don't know why some default there, I would think in my, using a lot of my logical head or mind would be, well, you know, it's for them to learn lessons to realize, hey, you might want to do a little bit better. And I'm not saying that that means some bigger entity thrust you there as a punishment, you know, put you in the corner for a minute. I, that's all speculation. I'd,

no idea, but it does happen. And I know for sure that there is a dark channel that, again, we would call hell. It's always a play of words with me because I don't want to, because if you say the word hell, then some people think, well, that means this, this and this. I'm like, I don't know about all that. I'm just telling you what I've experienced. But yeah, there is that density of entities. And they sometimes, there's somebody focuses, like there's different, again, I don't even want to say the certain groups right now, but there are certain groups of people join in life where they do certain negative. I'm not saying all seances are bad because again,

it depends on the person's understanding of that. But if it's more of a demonic one or things like that or they focus on a Satan figure, well then yeah, then they're tuning a lot of their energy to that channel and then that's what they're going to have more around them or just the inverse. If you focus more on positivity and then someone say, well, like attracts like. Well, I learned that is a thing, and that's just not a convenient way of saying it. Like does attract like your focus, the things you think about can become more of your reality. And some people call it manifesting.

That's fine. But the more positive thoughts and things you do and understandings, the more of that that you perceive. So there is something to that. If I die, and we'll get back to the book here in a moment, I'm just curious. I want to pick your brain. If I die, I want to go hang out with all the dogs that I used to have before they died. And that green grass thing you were talking about, I could get on board with that. I think that's where I'd like to go, even though it sounds like I'm God at this point, making my own path.

But for people who don't buy into hell, atheists, people who believe in Buddhism, whatever it is, why would they choose hell after death if everything's kind of a metaphysical realm? Some because they think they deserve it. So I've come across that before, too, so people have done enough just really horrifying things in this life. Okay, when my correctional officer days, I'd have inmates. They would say, well, I guarantee you I'm going to hell because of this, that, and the other. And I worked a maximum of security. So they were in there for some bad things.

I'm not just talking about cheating on their taxes. these were we had multiple serial killers. We had just horrific things that we don't want to get into on this podcast, but those individuals I did work with and we would chat because I was there for sometimes 16 hours a day. We did double shifts three or four times a week. And then I was one of the correctional officers that would converse with them or if they just start saying different things, you know, I'd chat to help pass the time and stuff

I learned from there. They'd say, well, I guarantee you I'm going because of this, that, and the other. well, that person's going to have that realization or channel when they die for at least a time and that they sit in that part of it. There was a movie decades ago, What Dreams May Come. I think that's what it was called with Robin Williams and maybe Cuba Gooding Jr. I think I had that right. It's been a long time since I watched it.

It's not exactly like that. I'll put it that way. but that movie gets pretty darn close on the different, again, channels or places people end up until they have certain realizations. So it's not a default thing, but if somebody, like I said, an inmate is just, you know, pardon the pun, but dead set on deciding that he's going to hell when they die, well, then that's what they're going to experience.

And everybody's different, but for at least a time, and no time with air quotes there because time's not really a thing I found that out too because I could connect with people I can't for lack of a better way to put it out of time which is unusual and hard to talk about

so we have to remove that whole word time from any of our recipes or ways of thinking about reality and then it expands a lot more but no they typically and not always it's not an all or nothing thing either so I've had some people that have

died in prison and then come back so they were resuscitated or scenarios like that where all of a sudden they saw their dead relatives and it was all positive they said and the other so it's it's not just one one answer but the more general part was if somebody does transition and they decide that they're going to see again their past pets or loved ones or grandma grandpa whoever that's generally what happens from the best of you know the experiences i've gone through and or sessions I've done. And I appreciate your answer my questions, Derek.

I know sometimes when I ask questions like this, I come across like a dick and I don't mean to. I really am curious on what other people believe and how they feel and why they feel a certain way. With regard to the metaphysical realm or plane that you're

talking about, within our DNA, every human being can be traced back to one woman. If you don't believe in God and you don't believe in, I guess, Christianity. I'm really, I think all religions are corrupt. I wouldn't really say I belong to any religion, or I should say I don't belong to any church or anything like that. But we all can be traced back to that one woman. What's your thoughts on creation with regard to the whole metaphysical realm? That's another good question.

But now here's where I'll jump into what, again, because I've had first-hand experiences with what people call extraterrestrials or aliens. So now it depends on we're talking. Now, you said DNA, so that's a physical aspect. So I'll say from my understanding and what I've learned, these human vehicles, our body, but I again, I have to word it that way for a reason, were created or manufactured by another race. to survive and again hold a spirit in this reality, this density, this physical plane, so that we could have a life. But it was brought in by others. I'm not just talking about like, oh, spaceship landed, kicked off. No, but taken from the, we'll just go generally here,

animals, whatever was, you know, around this planet way back when. And those were modified to where there was an acceptable vehicle to where we could experience, procreate, this, that, and the other, and then basically given lives here. And there's a whole lot of scenarios from that, everything, from the Ananaki, that I mean, it goes on and on. But that's what I've come across when I'll just say, remoted it or looked into it that we didn't originate here. Now, that's talking about the physical vehicle so that it could have enough cognitive abilities and whatever it is physiologically for a spirit or soul to drive the body around for a lifetime. I don't even know if any of that made sense,

but that's what I've patched together from my experiences and what I've seen, because I know the ET things are real. Now, whether they're here before or us, after, I don't know any of that kind of thing, but they're a thing. And they go, they predate us. So that's where I kind of patchwork that together in my understandings. again, I hope some of that made sense. It's odd stuff to talk about.

Now, I appreciate you talking about it. And where did you get that information again? Some of it's just what I've tuned into or remoted. Because I also do the, it's called remote viewing usually, but I like remote perception because there's a lot more than just viewing. From sometimes different sessions. Some people will say, well, in one example, a client will say, When I was 10 years, and again, I'm going to work with the facts here so that any one person doesn't say, that's me he's talking about.

So some people will say, well, you know, I know I was abducted when I was say 10 years old. And all of a sudden I woke up on this spacecraft or this, that, and the other. Well, I can, and that's when I am then tapping back into that aspect, I said about time, not being a limitation because let's say it was probably 30 years before this happened. but when I remote in, we call it remote viewing in the Army, but it's remote perceiving because you get a whole lot more than viewing when you do it,

or depending on who's doing it, I would remote into that spaceship, let's just say, where the person's talking about it, well, in one of those circumstances, I had, and I can see, I can feel the energy in there, I can feel what we would call emotions down here,

and I could see that, well, okay, this one actually happened, so this person wasn't just watching too many you movies or something like that. I've seen that one as well. But the person that actually happened, and then I would see the, again, what we call them ETs on the ship. And sometimes people do think, well, the ETs, they're all more advanced than us. They're all super psychic and this, that and the other. Well, only one of them on that ship even picked up on that I was there. Remember, I was remoting back 20, 30 years, where the snarer was at that moment. Not right now, but then I

had to wrap my head around. Well, why is this one E.T looking at me? He literally just turned around and started looking. And he saw me like I was seeing them. And that threw me off because I had no idea. I thought I was remoting the past. So, you know, watching a replay. Not happening because I wasn't there. The 20 or 30 years ago when this abduction happened, of course, I was remoting back.

So that's one of those aspects where I had to then kind of, well, I guess time's not a thing. Because I just remoted back decades. And all of a sudden, this one ET figure saw me. And he literally, what he did was just move his hand up kind of like he was, wiping a mirror with a cloth or something. And before his hand was even like, I'd say, you know, up in front of him, so he partially moved it,

I was gone. I was booted out of there. All of a sudden, I'd never experience that to where another, I'll just say psychic, can stop me or limit me. It's just never been a thing with me. I'm just,

not necessarily it can happen because clearly it can. But that ET, I would, again, I would say entity, just to generalize anything living and consciously aware is that. stopped me and removed me from seeing anymore.

And that was a, you know, a changing thing for me because, again, I had to work with the whole, well, time's not real. And then, okay, well, only that one ET saw me, not the others. So again, I had to wrap my head around that moment as well. And then tell the client what I could about what happened sort of thing. So it's just, it's a crazy universe out there is all I can say. And we're experiencing a small fraction of it. So yeah, then the whole ET part, I remote back for it.

There's no limit either, like I said on time. So when I've remoted before, I've seen them doing modifications taking, I'm going to that, but I have a whole story too where I have an abduction scenario when I was in the army and things like that. So I knew that stuff happens and that was back in 1992, 93, something like that in Germany. So by then I already knew that it was a thing. They weren't just stories, because I'd had my own experience. And then again, just patching it together from, it's like, you know, eating food in a different

country that you have no idea what it's made of, let's just say. Well, that's kind of how I had to do. It was I'm like, okay, well, I better just perceive it from all senses, including the psychic ones, emotional senses, all of it, and then patchwork it together. And then I realized that, well, no, there were different creatures down here. You can even say Sasquatch. Maybe Sasquatch was one of the ones. Because, by the way, they have shown that those have partial human DNA.

So I think we were patchworked together is what it was by, I'll just say, more intelligent beings. Because we're not the first ones to pop conscious in this universe. Yeah, I'm real curious about your abduction story. Before I ask you about that, you'd mentioned higher beings creating spirits for our spirit and putting it in a body or a vehicle, as you say, what was the purpose behind that? To have an experience, and again, pulling from all the sessions I've done,

I'd pretty much term this life as a school, a way for us to experience reality from a physical form with its limitation, and not to minimize it, but kind of like a sins game. If people know what I'm talking about, where you get a character, you get to live a life, do this, learn different things. because I've also learned and I did not believe it

like I said a few times in this recording about the reincarnation thing because I had no idea about it the best I knew was maybe from a show where I heard that you just start as a butterfly and then you get to advance to a monk in the blah blah blah that's not what I've come across

it's where I'll just I can't say human because human would be the vehicle we're in the body but we're spirits or souls that emanate and again the best I can say is emanate from love but we get to make the choices and have experiences

in different lifetimes or reality so we get to sing songs on a different channel and sometimes I've go kind of fast like that but I think a lot of listeners would get what I'm saying and that's the thing because I've had for example animal I don't know what to tell you but animals

communicate in English it doesn't matter people in other countries that don't speak English that I've tuned into for a let's say an English speaking client. And sometimes not. Sometimes we're handing a phone back and forth with Google translator on it. They communicate in direct English with me. I have no idea how or why.

But that's a thing and the same thing with animals. So there's, it's basically a, I'd say a school. I wouldn't say a playground, but it's a school to where we get to have certain lessons. And I've had people, a little off topic here, but say, well, Derek, I've heard that we write a chart before we come in. We have this playbook that we set in concrete before we're born and we're going to live it out. It's all pre-planned. Nope. At least again, from this one psychic's perspective, now that I'll, I word it this way to some people,

I go, well, we make a, you know, for lack of better way, put in a list of suggestions or ideas that we're going to do down here. But it's not, I've never seen it towards set that, well, you're going to meet your, you know, so-and-so with this year. And then this is going to happen. I've never seen that kind of thing. There's a whole lot of leeway there, but we do give ourselves, I'll just say a guidebook or a list of suggestions or experiences that we're going to go through down here.

And then we go through it just to, it's again, lessons learned. It's kind of like picking your class when you're choosing your college courses. I want a little bit of math and want a little bit of this, that, and the other, so that I can relearn it or experience it this way. So that's more of the way that I've seen it manifest down here. So if I hire being created our spirit and put us in these vehicles or these bodies to live in this reality, to learn life lessons, that means someone's in charge. Who's in charge?

I don't think anybody put us. I think they're created. And then the next, because I've also seen where let's put this way, somebody's come in and they, I have to give the stories. Otherwise, it won't make sense. So somebody's come in and they've had a miscarriage. or an abortion or something. Well, and they say, well, and they'll ask me questions about that. I'll get to see the entity.

And sometimes they've come in and said, well, and again, for my terms, they'll tell me that, well, I didn't want to do that vehicle because it was going to have this issue or that issue. And I'll tell the person, and they'll say, you're right. That's exactly what the doctors told me about it was born too small of heart or this ailment or blah, blah, blah. I don't know. They don't come and tell me anything. The sessions just go right off the fly with no loading.

And then I learn in patchwork together myself, but I'll still get to speak to that spirit or soul or entity. And they'll come in that way and say, no, well, I'm going to come back in, you know, a couple few years when they're ready again. Well, then, of course, a few years later, I'll hear back. Well, you were right, Derek. I had a little girl. And blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yep, I know. That's what they said.

Now, and I've never seen it to where all of a sudden some greater entity. I'm not saying it doesn't exist because I don't know. takes that spirit and crams it into a body and says you're having this life. No, from all my experiences, it's been an option thing. Basically, vehicles coming off the production line. Entities, I'm not saying they're hardcore and aligned by any means because that's not the case when I've learned, meaning, well, the next person born, again, vehicle body, well, this number two spirit gets in that. No, it's, they get to, there's a pick and choose in there. So you get to choose if you're going to have a life, say, you know, as Asian or Muslim or, and I know I'm speaking of religions

and then ethnicity as well. But however you want to choose your playbook. So I've seen it go that way as well. So I don't think that it's a force thing. I think however we exist, I don't know, but we do as a spirit. And then we tune into this channel, see that, as I said, manufacture plant, meaning just another vehicle a body, having a baby, blah, blah, blah, and then we choose to go in there. And there may be more to the story on that, but I know it is an option thing.

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding it. And not that you're not explaining it. I mean, I'm following along. The logic isn't clicking with me. And I'm probably a moron. That's probably why I'm not getting it. But, you know, if we're in a different realm, and we're making all these decisions like, oh, I want to come down, live this life, I want to learn this, I want to do that.

Most humans I know are idiots. So, I mean, I guess, I guess from what I'm gathering is from your theory, we're God. Well, that's how it's worded a lot of the things. I'd say that we kind of are, but use that term loosely because we're all one. were connected and there's lots of ways of saying that too um but we yeah and that's not to say can again i don't know but that there's a bigger consciousness out there you know that's how us little humans have best wrapper head around it it's like having a a mouse explain how a microwave works but they're not gonna they're not going to be able to so the best we can do from this limited perspective

is decide well there's another thing that looks just like us that's up there doing this at the other well that's a lot of your your logical you know analytical process is happening but that's not to say that that's what it's limited to so but i do know that yeah entities have absolutely so again spiritual souls i was have to you know explain that a little bit choose either not to come in or to leave early i've had them say leave early like it was a and not always on purpose so it's never so sometimes it's a so if somebody's in here session a person died or was killed let's put it that's that way sometimes I've heard to where they'll say well I wanted to them talking about the spirit here I wanted to leave for this and the other reason some go nope it was too soon wasn't a planned

thing wasn't supposed to happen so I've seen the whole gambit on that it just depends on any given session I don't haven't seen or perceived any bigger presence that forces us in any which way it's more like we're given options again like kind of like a again a parking lot of new car or vehicles and then they're there and we can jump into the four-wheel drive pickup truck or we can get into the little slow electric car or whatever and all that didn't quite make sense but what I've seen is that the the souls or spirits or entities see different options down here and then they enter so I don't know if that also means some ET presence can force us I don't think so as far as I'm concerned, I don't believe that.

There's another physical group that decides this spirit or soul gets in there. I think they enter the vehicles, which is why they play with DNA so much. And I've got unusual DNA I know as well. There's different strands of that and different family lines. There is something to all of that. So again, different model of vehicle. some are produced or, you know, bred together so that certain entities can enter those vehicles. Again, spirits and enter in the body is what I'm saying.

So there is something to all of that. And I don't believe for a second that everybody down here, whoever's in charge will just say governments or black ops or blah, blah, blah, they're aware of because there's no way they're not aware of that stuff if I am. So, and that's the other part too is, well, I absolutely know this stuff is real so I don't believe for a second they don't have their own, and I'll make fun of it, pet psychic, that there's going to be a whole lot more perceptive than

I, because there's no way I'm the most psychic guy. Again, I'm making fun of things, psychic guy, so there's got to be somebody let's just say level 10 out there. So there's no way they don't know about that kind of stuff. So I think it's more muddling with the DNA down here to get the right vehicle so that if a certain entity that's more aware knows how to drive the car.

And so some of us are that way that, let's just say, lots of times in school get to come down here with a vehicle with more heightened psychic senses, sometimes to be an example or, you know, show people more, you know, options. It just, it varies. I'm not sure how much sense that made because I had no training whatsoever. I've never had a psychic reading in my life, if you can believe that. And I think that's a great thing because that's kind of like some chef handing me their cookbook and saying, here's how you do it.

No, there's lots of ways of baking bread. There's not just one way. And sometimes it's better just to kind of jump in both feet and do it on your own than you don't have any preloading belief systems. Yeah, and I appreciate you indulging me, Derek. You know, we live in a world now to where if you don't believe what I believe, you're my enemy, and I don't buy into any of that. Can I ask you, what's to do with Hitler? Because I can't imagine someone as a higher entity or a spirit going, hey, I want to go down and

be that guy. Yeah, but also what I've seen too is sometimes, so yeah, I don't think he was the friendliest guy in the block, let's say, just to, you know, kind of make light of it a little bit. But sometimes we need to have, because if there is no negative, there's not positive. You have to have the rub. Otherwise, and that's in this reality, that's not everywhere, but in this reality or this classroom, if you don't have negativity, well, then you don't know positivity. So you can say, well, you don't know, you know light without darkness. There has to be that yin and yang, that difference there kind of thing too.

And I'm not saying that, well, all of a sudden, that entity chose, you know, decided all this, no, I think certain entities, Hitler in this case, came in was, and then certain scenarios started playing out down here, and then they made whatever choice. And again, now I'm going a little vague, so I'm not just talking about it, but make their choices. Because I've seen entities come in. So it's serial killers that all of a sudden, you know, let's say 10 years into their sentence when I was sitting there chatting with them in the day room or something, they regret everything. And then they'll tell me, well, you know, you know, Maybe I was into these.

I'll just call them clubs, because again, I don't want to bring up certain terms here, but anti-religious groups, we'll put it that way, that are more negative that do try and communicate or tune in to demons and dark entities, well, I've heard all those stories from those individuals and what they've done and experienced, and then how they've changed their mind. Not always, some of them are still doing it in prison I'm talking about. So it's more than I have to, again, wrap my head around it, and decide, okay, well, it's a school.

We get to make our own decisions. And some people, you know, want to put, I'll just, again, be vague and say, put a lot of hot sauce on their food where some of us don't because they want to experience what that's like. But I don't know that anything is absolute or set in stone as far as what's going to happen. Maybe sometimes it's not a choice. And people are products of their environment, you know. You summed up everything.

I just said basically in that comment, that was good. Yeah, it is. And so they just started going with the flow. They see, well, this is just what I'm brought up in. This is what I learned. This is what's around me. I'm going to keep doing that. We can all say that to one degree or another. Yeah. Tell me about this abduction that you had in Germany. Yeah, and that was early on. So like I said, that was the early 90s. When I wasn't into any of this, this was pre all of this stuff. I knew something was up. because of, I'll just say, because otherwise it's a whole other podcast, I'll just say the military knew something was up with this vehicle, as I've been worded in, this body and DNA and what I could do

even before I was because of just the unbelievable way I was treated in the military as a private and the exceptions I got. So within one of those exceptions I was given, and I was in the first armored division. I drove a tank and or loaded it or gun, you know, different, roles like armor crewmen is what it's called for the listeners that know what i'm talking about in germany and then i was given a i don't remember what it was called but it was a basically gifted a short vacation in a place called birches garden and there's a reason he brought hitler i'll tell you in a moment um birch's gardens germany so and that's where the eagle's nest is which was hitler's big hideout up on the top of the mountain and i got to tour that as well brought there and then i was

taken to and I assume they still do it. I don't really know, but basically for some random reason, I'm throwing up air quotes here, I was gifted this exception or vacation to where I was bused from Mannheim, Germany to Birchers Gardens, Germany, and put up in a hotel room there, and I used to remember the name in the hotel. I don't though. I'm sure it's still there. It can be looked up. And given a vacation for, you know, four, five, six days there, just a time away from the unit. and there's usually the hotel, and it's a massive hotel.

We're talking about maybe six stories tall or something like that, you know, a couple hundred rooms. But on this trip, for whatever reason, there were only three

that were taken up, and I found that out later, three soldiers that were there. We were all U.S. Army soldiers from different units, none of us knew each other, but we had all won this special, or gifted,

we didn't say one, but gifted it for whatever reason, and you're never really told. At that point, you're just excited to get out of the unit. you're not working on a tank all day or whatever. So we go there and then as we find, and then there's what's called a full bird colonel.

So that would be a lieutenant colonel, but a colonel that has the actual, you know, eagle on there. So they're called full bird colonels that showed up there with us. And I know that was unusual because of the rank. That's not, that's just a high ranking officer, not typically a thing, especially with just a handful of soldiers.

Well, he was, as they told us, a history buff. So he would take us around and we'd go to different parts of that area to just different rooms, places. The Eagles Nest was one of them. We'd go and tour that. And we went to the hotel and again in Burchas, Cardin's Germany. And all of a sudden, he has a set of keys with us in the next one of the mornings. I don't remember which one. He says, okay, we're going to go on a unique tour.

So we kind of report down to the lobby, show up there. and he all of a sudden has a set of keys, goes over to some, just a really thick old wooden door that just kind of tucked back in the, an off room of the lobby area, we can't really get to it, and opens it.

Nobody else is with us, but the three of us. And then all of a sudden, all that's there when you open the door is a staircase heading straight down, and it's old. So long story short, we go down the staircase,

and it ends up, there's a little set of railroad tracks at the bottom, And tunnels. It was a little mini railway station that was underground. There was dated back to World War II. All of that stuff happening. And we would walk through these different, just the walkway going through the corridors. And part was an old hospital room. They said, all the equipment in there. There were no people. It wasn't manned or anything. It was just a dilapidated thing that nobody could access unless, you know, he took you there. And this was a special hotel for whatever reason that Germany set aside for or the U.S. did to take some of us down there. And later I found out it was the intuitives that they are, and there's a reason they knew about me as well, they would take down there to pick up on what we would perceive. But they don't tell us that.

They just say, okay, well, here's a tour and the colonel will just start going, okay, well, this is what happened here. This is the whole hospital ward. And over here, is this, that, and the other. And they're just watching us as we do it kind of thing. And no more exciting than that down there, other than I was picking up on presences. but we weren't talking about it. It wasn't say, hey, Derek, what are you psychically picking up on?

None of that was mentioned. I come up, do whatever the heck we did the rest of that day. And it was that night where it gets interesting because we each have our own room. We're just different. I was a, I think on an E2 at the time. So just low ranked private. I had no rank of any consequence. But we all got our own rooms when we're there.

And then all of a sudden, I had not, and I got to figure how to jump into this part of it because as far as I knew, it was a dream. So I'm going to word it as that and then I'll kind of come back around. So all of a sudden that night while I'm in my room, I haven't, well, nightmare, might as well call it a nightmare because that's what it was. A nightmare all of a sudden wake up in this air quote here again, nightmare. And I find myself literally floating prone head first going towards the window.

And nobody, there were three other individuals in the room at the time during this, again, nightmare and they were ETs. I think the little grays you may see in a movie. And I wasn't into ETs. I wasn't giving this any thought. All of a sudden, and I'd go into some panic mode in this nightmare, and as I'm literally just floating towards a window,

and there's three ETs stand. They're not holding me. They're just standing there. Nothing else. Saying anything or doing anything. All of a sudden I'm floating, and I go into a panic mode, and then boom, that's it on the nightmare.

And then I wake up in the morning, and I'm thinking, well, you know, I'm pretty worked up because I just had a nightmare kind of thing. And I look over at the, there was a small shelf, let's just say, like a nightstand that had some stuff on it, all under the window, all of that. And all that I had knocked over when I went into panic mode. So basically I woke up in my nightmare, in my head.

And I realized I was being abducted. I woke up, had a fight started, you know, moving around doing this, and the other than boom, I was gone. That was it, back asleep. And I woke up thinking that whole thing. scenario was a nightmare until I look over and realize all that stuff that was on there's a little lamp there was a I don't know a box of something other on that nightstands kind of thing by the window was all knocked off of that so and there was nobody walked into my room and did that so that's when I first had to start having a realization that that wasn't a nightmare that was something that

I woke up during an abduction because I remoted back in that late years later when I started being able to do the remote viewing aspects. And so I realized that, well, that stuff shouldn't be knocked over because that was me being abducted a nightmare. So I shouldn't have any physical, you know, manifestations of anything like that happening. I didn't know any more than that, but I had to, again, just start wrapping my head around scenarios like that. And that was the first time that happened.

Why do you think the military would put you in that position? I'll tell you this way. I didn't pick up on what I went and did read the little ETs. Excuse me. There wasn't much consciousness there. I'm not even sure they were real entities. I mean, the military knew about me. My dad was ex-NSA.

My mom, again, I don't remember how much we talked about in the last recording. My mom was abducted for a day. He literally disappeared off the sidewalk for 24 hours and was put back. And then when I received so like two years earlier, before this gifting of the hotel stay, when I got off the plane to show up on my unit in Mannheim, Germany, and there was probably 50 of us, I literally come up and walk into the room,

and we have the highest-ranking non-officer there would be a first sergeant at the time. And I don't know any of this. I'm just a green, again, private E-1 at that time, just, you know, scared, basically, because, you know, it's new to Germany, new to the army, all of this. Well, from that very first moment walking in the barracks where we were first basically acknowledging we were on this specific unit, whatnot, the first sergeant takes me and he

says, and he starts smiling me, doesn't know me as far as I know from anybody and tells me from now on I'm supposed to refer to him's dad, which is weird. You don't, that's not a thing you do. He's talking about in front of other soldiers. There was the commanding officer there, captain, and lieutenant's just a whole bunch of just greeting the new recruits basically and i'm plucked aside and being told in front of everybody though and said you know you're going to refer to me as dad from now on and he would do it in certain ceremonies at um unit gatherings in the morning where you do that you say son come here and which is it sounds weird to to say but if you're in the military and you go through the scenarios that's just not a thing it's just not that way um to where you're you're given such

exceptions and literally the whole and it seemed weird to me. I felt uncomfortable as heck calling. He wasn't my dad. That didn't even make sense to me. But he wanted to make you clear to everybody else. Basically, you know, don't mess with this guy kind of thing.

And then other exceptions to where usually you're in a barracks room, so a dorm, they're called barracks, but then there's certain rooms in there where you're supposed to, especially in my rank, share one,

let's say, eight other soldiers. Not me. I was given my own private room. Got to come and go was I pleased and all of this time I wasn't feeling like oh I'm extra special I was like what is this all about it actually made me nervous because I didn't know why or anything I didn't know that at the time I didn't know my dad was even was an NSA agent so I didn't know

it had to do with that or my name because they definitely knew who I was when I got there and there's different parts of that as well I had an uncle that was the CEO of Boeing I if I didn't find that out two years later uh Phil conned it And then I don't know how many is after long story short, I did a deep AI research on family history. And there were four or five different congressmen that were conned it, senators, literally the governor on the Mayflower, believe it or not. The actual Mayflower was a conned. All of that kind of stuff popped up in that. And I had no idea because I wasn't into any of that.

I didn't research anything. So I don't know where, at what point it all gets attributed. but that line of vehicles or DNA goes back very far, and there's always been unusual things associated with it. So, again, I don't know any more specific than that on why or how, but it wasn't random that, again, I was given those exceptions in the Army, but I wasn't told why. I was just given those.

If I wanted a different position or job in the military, I was given whatever I wanted kind of thing, too. It was just highly unusual stuff. that I could never pinpoint on why. It was just, they definitely wanted to keep me happy and keep me in the military. And that was an absolute thing as well. But I was never actually taken aside and told that, well, it's because of your dad, your name, your DNA. I have no idea.

But that was all part of it that I had to just accept was real and not really understand why. Yeah, it's strange. Makes me think of bloodlines. there is something to that yeah and i'm definitely not saying i'm extra special because i'm the first guy they'll say oh no no no is this vehicle body more aware and did it heighten over time absolutely why it's not because i learned some magic meditation or i did yoga this many times i'm making fun of things now no but it's absolutely a thing um now outside of how that happened or why I don't really know.

But yeah, that does happen with certain people. The first one you fought off, but was there a time that you remember when you were abducted? Okay, well, you can call them again. I don't think we talked about this last one, but there were times when I was in middle school. So six and seventh grade, I was living in Huntington Beach, California at the time, Talbot Middle School. and again to try and zoom in all the way for anybody that knows the areas. They would come in in the classrooms for at least two years, though, there, and somebody would walk in, they'd pause the class,

they'd say, okay, Derek, grab your things, and they would literally have me grab my things in the middle of class, so in the middle of the day through the sixth and seventh grade, I would be walked out to, believe it or not, it sounds like a joke, but a white van, and driven away to another location to where, and I wasn't the only, I was the only one at that school, but when we got to the location,

I was they, it was some, I don't remember the wording they did it, but it was extra additional schooling of some kind. There's another term for that. I'm kind of blanking on. But they would take us there. And it wasn't like, oh, here's your extra class on math. No, I was put on, in a desk and there was maybe, I don't know, I'd guesstimate 20 other kids. So there was like almost a classroom size, all the same age.

And we were given puzzles, not a puzzle like you put the sides together, but on paper to where you try to I figured this out. I mean, I can remember different questions they would give us, different drawings we would have to make. And I can't say, oh, they were teaching us remote viewing that. No, it was never that distinct. But we were being tested on seeing what we could put together. Because at that age, I'm thinking, I just want to get back to my class with my friends. You know, let's get this over with, whatever, not giving any more thought. And I didn't know until years later, my parents never knew about it. This wasn't a signed-up program because he needs special training or help with this subject or whatever. They had no idea because I'd say,

I mentioned it later on in life. I'm like, I'm glad that didn't continue. And they're going, what? And I told them what I just told you. And they're saying, we didn't know anything about that. So basically for a couple school years there, I was driven away, taking to some location and with other kids where they're there and then just I would best summarize it as being tested. I mean, I don't remember everything we did because that was so long ago and in my head at the time, it's

just, you know, I don't know, just an extra class I got to take for whatever reason, didn't give it a whole lot of thought. So that would be, when you say abducted, that's pretty much an abduction kind of thing, but no, not a UFO one other than that one in Germany that I remember.

Did anyone contact you from the military afterwards with more insight? Not like that, but I'll tell you what was done, even at the state level, because again, I was a Washington State Correctional Officer. And I can't explain that either, but I literally, when I was, and I retired once, went up into Noam, Alaska in 2012, took some gold dredges and did that whole deal.

I was some TV show on it. And came back and then literally had to report, because then I wanted my job back. basically because I didn't strike your rich up there, go back in there and let the superintendent, excuse me. So I think the head honcho of the prison and say, well, I want this post. So just like the military, I tell them exactly. And there were hundreds of posts or positions of the prison. And usually it's a seniority thing or you have to wait years and sign up for lists and see who gets chosen. So basically, including up to my newer position I'm about to start that already mentioned earlier,

I basically not consciously thinking about it, but go in there and let them know what I want, and I'm giving it to just a very unusual degree. So even at the prison system, when I said, well, I want the perimeter post, which is where then all of a sudden I started seeing a lot of everything from the silent helicopter to the UFOs and all that kind of stuff, I was, you know, randomly, not randomly, put in that position to have those experiences. So that's more how it manifested for me to where I, would apply for this out of the other and not having a shot in the dark you get in it but no matter

what if he wanted it he got it and those type of stories go on from the federal level to the state level to just really almost anything towards a lot of them just not believable even to me if i hadn't been in it so that's kind of like one of the running jokes in my family like well okay you can manifest it it's going to happen and there is something to that so but again nobody the superintendent take me aside, say, okay, well, but I literally had to have that, I don't remember what's called, but like a rehire interview because I retired and then left, you know, again, thinking I was going to strike a reach up and know him, unusual experiences up there too, let me tell you. But when I got back, again, the rehiring process going to talk to him, told him the exact

position I wanted, all of a sudden, the person was moved out, I'm put in it, which it never happens. That's just not a thing because it's a whole seniority or your teensters. member then, so things have to happen a certain way, but not if I requested it. And I didn't go in there with such knowing that. I didn't give any thought. I just knew I said, you know, I'd really prefer this post out here and this sat in the other on this shift.

And then, again, just like the military, they would make it happen no matter what, but not set me aside go, well, okay, because your name's conned it, you know, nothing like that. You know, when we very first spoke, and we didn't know we were going to do a part of two. Off area had told me about this job that you were going to start in a week or two. And I remember thinking it's a type of job that most people who spend 20 or 30 years in the military and have a decade of education probably couldn't get. And I didn't say anything to you at the time. But I remember thinking, what a high-level job for a guy who writes books about UFOs and Bigfoot and has a store called Bigfoot gyms. I mean, no offense. But I remember thinking, like,

I wonder how he got that job. Let me ask you. And I don't want you to say where or what you're doing. but do you have any experience working in that field? No. No. And that, I can't kind of be vague on that one too. I found out through life, I don't have to.

It's pretty much if I go forward to request it. And again, I wish I could say a lot more of this, but because I'm about to start, I can't even talk about the interview process, which was, should be in its own show. Things just work out and lay out.

for me to happen. I'll put it that way. So the short answer is no. Not at all. Yeah, I kind of got the creeps now. I guess for the audience, it would be like me quitting podcasting to go work for NASA as a

rocket engineer. I have no experience, but I'll be heading the department. May you're not working for NASA and you're not a rocket engineer. I'm just yeah, man, that I think some people listening to this might go, wow, that just sounds like a bunch of BS of what you just said. But yeah, I don't know what to say.

And I don't want you to go into what you're doing. But yeah, very, very fascinating. You know, I used to think remote viewing was complete. BS. And I remember I sat down and watched a whole documentary on it and kind of put my bias aside. And I can't remember what the, I know his last name is Swan. Kimmer was first name as. Anyway, he's a famous remote viewer. And they based that whole movie, the men that stir are goats on these guys. But I wish it would have just told the story as opposed to trying to dramatize it

because the original story is way more fascinating than the men who stare at goats. And by the end of the documentary, I was thinking, wow, there really is something to this. And even the government thinks so. You know, the Russians were killing our remote viewers. We were killing their remote viewers. If it's all BS, then why kill people?

Exactly. It wasn't random. And again, I can safely say with that as well, that topic that did not believe in it, not a thing until all of a sudden I was doing it. So it is absolutely a thing. And then just imagine if somebody was actually trained on it. Yeah. So no, it's because everybody has that psychic sense. It's called intuition.

I mean, we may loosely call it gut instincts. But every one of us, I believe, has had those moments where they knew this out of the other, whatever stories in their head. Well, just imagine if you focused on that sense, just like your sense of sense. smell, well, then you can differentiate between those subtle senses and the same works for the psychic sense. So it's absolutely a thing. And I know they've done that they've done that work, they did that for decades, the remote viewing aspect in many countries. Yeah, like I said, I was a pretty harsh critic of remote viewing. I mean, it sounded like a bunch of nonsense to

me, but I actually believe it. I believe that people can do it. And I can't believe we're almost two hours into it. And for the audience, Eric Kundant. He is the author of the Triangle series. It's an eight-book collection investigating UFOs, Bigfoot, crypticid sightings, paranormal experiences, and other strange mysteries that all kind of happen in a certain area. And I've really enjoyed reading it. Is there another story from the book that you want to, man, I feel like I should ask you for like a job reference or book or hook a brother up. Is there another story from one of the books that you'll share with us?

Yeah, I can talk about this one. This is the Nimitz, and it's actually been on TV, so the Nimitz Tick-Tack encounter. This was from 2004, so basically we're talking about UAE or a UFO around, and these were unidentified flying odds of UFOs, were multiple sightings on radar, It was just southwest of San Francisco, or I'm sorry, San Diego. And then they're basically small, unidentified, again, UAE's, as the government calls them now,

flying around some Navy aviators. And then there's, again, it's on radar, it's on video. There's no rotors, no wings, no exhaust. And for anybody that's watching, there's been, I don't know how many releases of these type of videos here in the last several months by the U.S. government showing these things and letting everybody know they're not ours, because if they were, they wouldn't be showing you. Not that we don't have things that can probably do similar type stuff,

but these weren't ours, so that makes me wonder why they're being released a lot more now. But the commander's name was David Frave. I can't say it, but Fravor. He was in one of the aircraft. They tried to chase these different things. And then the object would circle around the aircraft,

the fighter jet, accelerate, and leave view, out of sight so fast that they couldn't describe it. And then basically the ship's detection system picked up on it, the one's monitoring it did. I'm trying to say there's even been an official acknowledgement of the recording, and it basically was intelligently controlled. And there's lots of different stories like this in the various books

that will loosely call UFOs, you know, because there are unidentified flying objects, where sometimes it's military like this one, or seen them, or there's other ones here in Mount Spokane. There's different ones. Some out here in Concrete, Washington, where whole groups of people, families in the neighborhood,

would come out and they would see, again, a lighted object moving through the sky, and often some of them would have, like, trails coming off of them like a sparkler. Nothing actually hitting the ground, but just going kind of some slow moving through the, area in this concrete Washington one I'm acknowledging a little bit right now. To where the families went out, saw this plane size, so larger than a vehicle, so probably

a couple hundred feet across, moving slowly through the neighborhood. And with, again, that sparkler effect coming off of the back, but nothing hitting the ground, and where all the animals would go crazy, the dogs barking, and the people out there getting in on video, just like the one I just talked about over the Pacific, the Pacific Ocean, where they have it on video as well. They've released that video the government has. And it's been known about before they released it. So that's just showing that a lot of these stories that people have talked about or even videos are now getting acknowledged for some reason people don't believe anything until the government says it's a thing. Well, a lot of that is a thing, regardless of the

government says anything. So those are just really interesting ones. And they, again, every single book, be it the Alaska Triangle book, the Seattle Triangle, Oregon Triangle, or there's three different California triangle books. All of them have different encounters like this where there's, again, the UFOs or UAPs. Real quickly, because I know we're not out of time, I was maybe 15 or 16 years old in Huntington Beach, California,

and out with a buddy mine on the pier, dozens of people on the pier, out there at nighttime, time and all of a sudden there was a, I don't know what they call them, but the underwater ones. All of a sudden, what we would call a UFO came up under the pier right under where we were standing. So we're on the very edge of it on the furthest part, just looking over the edge of the pier, doing whatever we were doing at that age. And all of a sudden, a UFO dried flies, you know, whatever, under, and it was underwater, not more than a couple feet because we could see it clear as day come up under the pier,

kind of just stay in that area a few feet under the surface and there were at least a dozen people that saw it wasn't just me and my buddy and then all of a sudden just kind of slowly take off again with lights where you would think maybe an engine it wasn't a boat i mean it was clear that it wasn't anything we knew of but it was a UFO um underwater you i don't forget they call them but the underwater ones so even back in my teens we saw things like that yeah i appreciate sharing that from the and even your own personal experience. Last question I want to ask you, these aliens,

are they spirits put in a vehicle or body, as you say? And what is it that they want flying around in our airspace? Much of the UFOs, because I have remoted to a bunch of them, they're not entities in there. There's not aliens in there. They're just craft or things like that.

So the weather's not. There have been several times to where, yes, I do get to see. So basically, yes, it would be a different vehicle, an alien body, with a solar spirit inside of it, flying the vehicle around. But often they weren't. They were just like drones or something like that. Sometimes I wouldn't even be able to see into them because sometimes they would be just energy or light where I could remote. I'm like, okay, well, I want to see inside of it now. well all I would see is light I wouldn't see anything I wouldn't see like a bunch of

moving parts or engines or anything like that it was just energy so it's kind of it spans the whole thing and sometimes there are and I've seen seven foot tall ETs that's a thing so there's lots of vehicles in the universe and the best way I would think about it be well if we found you know little humanoid creatures living on one of the moons of Jupiter wherever out there well, it's the same thing we're going to do. They're not going to look just like us. We're going to fly our aircraft or drones or whatever they're called at the time around and check them out.

Sometimes, I mean, don't we do that to animals now? Don't we capture certain gorillas, monkeys, things like that and sometimes test on them and sometimes, you know, mess with their DNA? I don't see how that's much different. Because I can't believe for a second we're the first, this, again, I'll call vehicle, the human isn't the first vehicle on this one planet that is the first to arrive. There's others, especially when you look at the timeframes. So I can just, then my thoughts go, well, okay, this crew of, you know,

people in a different vehicle that we would call alien became before us, and then they found us kind of thing, just like we would do. You're right. This world is a weird, weird place. It's a weird universe that we live. in and I really appreciate you letting me pick your brain about your beliefs and we got a little off track but I really enjoyed chatting with you Derek for the audience go out and get Derek's books the triangle series and I have links below for the books and for Derek's website and also Bigfoot

gyms I really appreciate you coming back on Derek even though kind of creep me out good luck on the new job if you need a assistant, let me know. But thank you again, brother, for coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you. No, it's been a lot of fun. I love that we were all over the place because, you know, I'm interested in these topics too, and I'm always learning. So, yeah, it's been fun. Thanks again, Derek. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.