Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:13 Class B Sasquatch Encounter

Episode Date: February 2, 2014

A listener wrote the show saying - "I went out actively trying to elicit activity bye making what I thought was a distress call. The thing is I'm from Fl and if I want to call a gator in make a baby call but!! Momma gonna come mad ready to protect and the big bull is gonna come ready to eat the young so either way your f****!(sorry) so..... I became a stale mate of what to do??? Since I've listened to the show I have a better understanding and share the info with the hunters I know and others" We decided to have him on.... Class B - Incidents where a possible sasquatch was observed at a great distance or in poor lighting conditions and incidents in any other circumstance that did not afford a clear view of the subject are considered Class B reports. For example, credible reports where nothing was seen but distinct and characteristic sounds of sasquatches were heard are always considered Class B reports and never Class A, even in the most compelling "sound-only" cases. This is because the lack of a visual element.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What are you out here?

What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicle. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. It drives me nuts, so, you know, I've been posting our shows to YouTube. There's, like, these little trolls that go on there, and I swear on every video, they put on their,

Bigfoot's Not Real, and then they'll go watch the next one, and then their only response back is, Bigfoot's not real. And I was telling Woody, you know, I don't believe in leprechauns, but you don't see me surfing, like YouTube looking for leprechaun videos so that I can post on their leprechauns aren't real. You know what I mean? If someone wants to debate it, I'll debate it with them, but... It's the leper... There you go.

People make a lot of comments when it's... It just cracks me up, you know, like, if you don't believe in Bigfoot, why are you searching for Bigfoot videos? Well, let's go ahead and bring Jeff on. Hear his story, and then hopefully we'll have time for a second guest. Okay, hey, Jeff, are you... You sent me an encounter. Okay, this was about...

summer, my son is going to be two in April. So this, and she was still pregnant with my son. It was, so it was the summer before he. Yes, yes. As I say, you know, I would go into the forest, you know, and I would look for things that, you know, I thought were, you know, odd or strange or what have you. And I did a little bit of research online,

and I found what I thought was a distress signal. for what I thought a juvenile Sasquatch would make, which was me repeatedly banging a stick on a rock. I had a long, thin stick, and I was just kind of clack, clack, clack, clack, you know, clacking on a rock. I'm sorry, let me back up a second. It was about the middle of the afternoon. I'm sorry, this was about the middle of the afternoon, about one, two o'clock. I was in an area in the Michaud Forest of Pennsylvania.

I was in an area right near a big water towel near there, what have you, and I wanted to go out. I had a day off. My wife said, okay, well, I'll go with you. You know, it's not a problem. Well, we decided to go into this one area that's popularly known as White Rock. It's one of these areas that you can go up,

and if you climb to the top, you can see a variety of the town and things like this off in the distance. So, well, we didn't climb to the top, but we were around the bottom of this ridge. So, you know, my wife, you know, nature called, so she had to use the bathroom. She was going pee.

She probably wouldn't want me saying that, but this is what happened. She was going pee. I was about 10 yards from her, and I'd tap it on this big boulder, you know, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, doing it pretty fast, repeatedly or what have you. And all of a sudden,

I'd say about 20 yards from me in the thicket, behind the laurels, behind more boulders, we got these really heavy footsteps. I mean, it sounded like somebody was literally, dragging their feet through autumn leaves.

I mean, it was just, you know, and I looked back at her, you know, and my wife's always been, she grew up in there, so she's always kind of been weird about, you know, other people in the woods and getting scared real easy like that. Well, anyway, so I looked back at her, you know, I went, oh, oh, do you hear that, you know. And she, you know, her eyes were getting kind of big, and she was starting to kind of wise up, you know, and then all of a sudden I'm sitting there, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop,

doing it more. and then from way up on the ridge the footsteps kept happening, but then from way up on the ridge we started getting these rock clacks. And, I mean, they were loud. I mean, they were like, was two rocks banging together or one rock being smacked on the side of another boulder or what. But, I mean, it was loud. It was pow, pow, pow, pow, pow.

And in my novice mind, I was sitting there thinking, oh, well, you know, maybe it'll communicate with me or maybe it'll mimic me or what have you. This is the mindset I had. So I kept tapping. tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap tap well when the rock clacks happened as well as the footsteps i looked at my wife and she's like no i'm leaving i'm getting scared this is weird and the only way that she would go into the woods with me that day is that she held on to the keys all right so me being a novice

you know i i i was really excited trying to process this information i hadn't ever gotten what i thought was activity like this well she starts going back down the trail to our Pathfinder, you know. It's like, oh, well, gosh, I guess I have to go now, you know. Well, so we went back down the trail, which really wasn't all that far, maybe 50, 60 yards from where we were. And we got to the Mountain Road, got in our vehicle, and we must have went, like, maybe two city blocks, which is kind of, it drives kind of around the ridge in a circle of where we were. And I'm begging her, you know, listen, let's just stop. you know let me smoke a cigarette i just want to process this you know and so we got out and i was

smoking a cigarette she was in the passenger side had the windows cracked because i wanted to talk to her as i was smoking a cigarette and i was standing in front of the vehicle she's standing there and then from back from where the back part of this ridge was the same ridge we got these clacks all of a sudden there was this huge roar and i mean it was a roar it was I mean, it was so loud. It literally blew through the forest, and I literally felt it blew. Now, I didn't see anything, and I've always, I haven't ever been one to litter in the forest or anything like that. But honest to God, guys, I flick that cigarette on the ground, jumped in the truck, and left.

Jesus, how close do you think it was to you, Jeff, when it roared? Honestly, I think, I mean, it was loud. I mean, it was loud. It sounded like King Kong was roaring through the forest. I mean, it was, like I said, I couldn't, I didn't see anything. I mean, I just kind of froze. I was really stunned, you know, I thought, and her, my wife's eyes got a real big, too, you know. And, well, I'd say 80 yards.

Now, I've been back into that area before, and there's a huge outcropping of boulders. And I've been back through there before and looking and listening and things like, that and I honestly guys I got so scared I've been hesitant to make that sound again or to try to do any other you know novice would be I guess squatter stuff you know I didn't ever really consider myself a researcher or any of that you know but I was really inclusive about it you know but it was close it was really close it was real close you know I mean close enough to I mean it was loud it was loud I mean I can stand

out in the forest. And this is right off the Appalachian Trail here. I mean, you know, I can stand in the forest and yell. And, you know, you can get a good echo. But, I mean, you know, the forest is so vast, you know, it'll swallow your voice right up. This was loud. I mean, I swear, in my mind, as I replay it and as I replayed it a million times since that day, I get the feeling that something was up. It was up somewhere. And like I said, I've gone back into that location. There are these big outcroppings of boulders. I mean, huge boulders, you know, and you can climb up. And I've climbed up on before, and you can see the road. I mean, you can, I've watched another car drive the road, and you would never know it to be on the road and look back. But it's a good advantage

point to see, you know, but that really did. It really scared me, you know. And my wife actually I told a few of our friends you know and and she was my witness so you know I was like hey listen tell him you know and then you know she gets a little weird about it because she doesn't want them to look at her the way I guess some people are looking at me like I'm this weirdo you know but it really did scare me I mean it scared me would you describe it as kind of like an African lion type of war yes yes I would yes I would see I thought I thought something might just, you know, look from behind a tree or at most maybe, you know, a loop or something like that to try to what they would think a juvenile was, and really it was just me. I was not prepared for that sequence of activity. I definitely was not prepared for that roar. I mean, it was a roar, a loud one. And I've been by cougars and lions and tiger, and it sounded just like a roar.

Woody and I have, we've heard that before, that roar, and I even made a comment, that was kind of being a smart mouth at the time, but because Woody was asking me what it was, and I said, it sounds like an African lion to me, and that's exactly what it sounds like. You know, when you hear it. That's exactly right. I mean, it sounds just like that. And when I describe it to people, you know, sometimes, oh, I could tell a million people, but sometimes I tell my friends that are hunters or what have you, I tell them, I'm like, listen, this was a roar. And I don't mean like a Grizzly Adams bear or a black bear like, ah, it was not like that. I mean, this was a loud roar. It was loud.

What were your feelings after that happened? You hear a roar like that. What happened to you? Was there anything substantial as far as how you felt after the roar? Since that roar, you know, beforehand, I would be able to go into the forest, walk deep into it. I wouldn't care. I'd walk deep back out of it by myself. No gun, nothing.

Since that roar, I mean, that roar scared me. I expected the footsteps. I expected the rocks. But since that roar, now I don't want to sound like this, but honestly, it scared me. It really did scare me. I thought, wait a minute. Like I said, I wasn't planning on that. I didn't expect that.

I didn't even know that, you know. And so now when I go into the forest, I tend to not really go that far into it. And I mean, maybe I'll go 20 yards, you know, off the road. If I see something that I'm curious about or something like that, then I'll go. But, you know, whereas I used to take every piece of personal time I had, and I would just go disappear into a for it anymore. I have to have somebody with me, and if they don't have a gun, then actions are limited. Because, I mean, it's – I mean, it was just she and I out there.

She was pregnant. It kind of changed your perception as far as what it's like to be out by your self in the middle of woods and the mill of nowhere and have something light you up like that to where you have all these emotions going obviously has changed your life to some sort of oh yeah oh yeah no that's that's completely accurate no that's completely accurate you know because like i said i wasn't ever scared of anything in the forest you know i wasn't scared of people i wasn't scared of animals. I wasn't scared of that. Not because I think I'm all that tough or

what have you, but I just, I didn't fear that. I didn't have a fear of that. I felt like, well, I can get my wits about me and either take care of myself or take care of it or what have you. I can outsmart it. You know, I'm a human, you know, whatever. Whatever made that roar,

man, that thing was bigger than me. That thing was bigger than me. It was very big. I don't know. Like I said, I didn't have a visual. It was big, and it was loud. And since then, I've had friends, you know, that are like, oh, yeah, well, you know, my daughter, she watches the TV stuff or whatever, and she wants to go out. And I'm like, well, listen, you know, and they don't take me serious. You know, I'm like, listen, man, you know, it's, that's, that's a nice thought.

But it's, you know, you can be putting your daughter in harm's way. I mean, you know, because some of these, you know, these guys, they haven't ever gotten roared at like that. You know, it's all fun in games until that happens to you. I mean, it's real. It's really real. Now, from the place you first heard the noises up on the hill, and when you left that location, how far was it do you think? Like I say, I think it was about,

because I've driven this area many times, thinking that very same thing, thinking that very same thing. And the roar came up? Yes, from the other side. Okay. I was on one side when the footsteps and the rock clack happened. So we got in our vehicle, drove around to basically the side or the back side of that same area. And to get to that area, I mean, it's a huge cliff.

I mean, that's a huge ridge. Right, right. Now, you sent an email. It really made me feel uneasy, you know, and I felt if I didn't leave, I felt like I was being threatened. I mean, it was the kind of roar like, I'm going to attack you. Not like something's out there. Something's coming and something is mad. You know, I mean, I really did get scared.

You know, I really did. And it is a warning. Well, I certainly took it as that. I mean, it was instinctual inside of me to leave. I mean, I immediately froze and flicked that cigarette, jumped in the truck, and left. And, I mean, I left. I went straight home. You know, no driving slow down the road.

Oh, what was that? I was scared. You know, and at the time, I thought, oh, what? I know about this subject. Oh, yeah, you know. Man, I didn't know anything. I didn't know anything. You know, I mean, like a lot of people, born in the 70s,

and, you know, I saw the Patterson Gimblin film, you know, what have you. I saw my dad pointing to the TV. Oh, that's the real thing, you know, and what have you. And he had books on the Minnesota Iceman and John Napier's books. I didn't read any of them at that time, you know, or what have you. But I had seen this kind of stuff, you know, and I kind of grew up with this kind of stuff, Fate Magazine and whatever, you know, and so it wasn't until much later to where, you know, I thought that Bigfoot, Sasquatch, you know, I thought that that was something out,

like, in the Pacific Northwest or something, like where you guys are. There might be, like, one or two. I didn't even give the thought of, well, gosh, I guess there must be a breeding population. I didn't even think that far. I didn't even think that far Well, anyway, I honestly You know, as novices of South, I was watching Monster Quest a few years back

You know, four years ago or whatever When these episodes would come on And, you know, there wasn't ever really anything else on So I was like, oh, well, let's watch this, you know And it's not that I really got inquisitive through the shows But I got inquisitive enough To start looking on YouTube Or what have you, just more about the subject.

And I started finding these guys on YouTube that would post stuff about what they were calling a stick structure and things like this. Now, I know that that can be a weird word, strict stick structure. It can be kind of, you know, not serious, but I didn't consider a stick structure as in a stick dwelling, as in they literally live under these or stay there for a period of time. I didn't know if, or what it was. It was just so very inquisitive to me, you know.

But the thing I picked up on was that there was guys in Minnesota, guys in Wisconsin, guys in Ohio, down south of Louisiana, Texas. They were finding these. And I thought, oh, well, if that's the case, then they should be around here, if they're everywhere, right? So that's what I did. I ended up going into the forest and looking and things like that, and I found a bunch of things that I thought were inquisitive and interesting,

and it just kind of rolled from there. You know, I never really found tracks. You know, I wanted to, but it's just been hard to find what I thought would be a track or track way or any of this. But, you know, I would try to read up on different sites about the local BFR reports or different Pennsylvania Bigfoot Society reports. And I went to a few conferences and things like that.

And honestly, other than, I don't know if I'm allowed to give names or anything, but I would order books from people. You know, I'd order them on my Kindle or what have you and just things that I thought would give me any kind of more. information about this because I thought, like I said, you know, me and myself, I didn't want to prove it to science or prove it to anybody. I wanted to know. That was the big thing. I got to say it. I feel like I got the proof. I really do. For me, you know, and that's not the only time I had gotten those footsteps or activity. You know, I didn't ever get

the rock clacking or the roar or vocalization as such other than balls and knocks and things like this. Honestly, though, since I've been listening to your show, you know, I'll go back through the archives of you guys' past shows and things like that, and I've really been thinking, I thought, you know, wow, you know, and there was another guy who'd done a, I don't know if I could say names, but there was a man who'd done a lot of research in the Patterson-Gimland film, and I don't know if he's so popular these days, but he had brought up kind of the same view you guys said it's like, hey, listen, you know, be careful what you wish for.

You may get something that you may not be ready for, and I always kind of have that in the back of my mind, but, ah, whatever, you know. And I would, uh, I would go out there and just test out things or look for things. And it was really just a real personal obsession for me, you know. But once I got that active, that roar, I mean, like I said, I was threatened. Different when it's personal. Yes, and it was. I mean, that was, you know, I mean, it was literally directed at me, my wife, and this was in the middle of the day.

I mean, this was one in the afternoon, two in the afternoon. I mean, it was right there, right there. It scared me. It really did scare me. And I can't go back. I mean, it scared me to the point, guys, where I can't go back into that location by myself. Somebody has to be with me. And people like yourself, they get misinformed because,

Most of these people out there have no idea what they're doing. They have never encountered one. Right. And that's why, self, because all three, if you don't have respect. Well, I tell you what, as I say, my view of this, honestly, I really kind of reached a stalemate after that. Because as I say, and I guess I should be, but, you know, a little ashamed to say, hey, I was one of these people that, you know. And I did. I had a lot of fun, and it was a lot of adventure.

And the whole thing. until that happened. Once that happened, I was at a stalemate. I mean, I'm still obsessed, the whole thing, but I'm not so anxious to just go out there into the forest

and start bothering things and poking around and things like that anymore because, honestly, I mean, I'm not trying to boost your guys' show, but, you know, since I listen,

I listen to Wes and Woody's encounter, you know, I listen to a lot of the shows that you guys have had, and now I wait weekly to get these shows from you guys and I'm telling you

the thing about them knocking you know you guys had on a show a few weeks back about the siege of Hanobi where their gentleman was talking about them knocking and that's how they're telling each other to get in position I started thinking about that my wife and I as I say since that

has happened now we try to go into the forest just to enjoy the forest and I mean to camp or something like that Well, one time we were out there camping, and I heard these knocks, and it wasn't like several knocks in a row. It wasn't anything like that. It was one knock, pow. You know, and it would be from different locations.

It could be from 50 yards behind us and another 60 yards up in front of us on a hill and things like that. And it's just getting dark, and I'm not still putting it together. I hadn't listened to your guys' show yet, you know, or anything. I hadn't put it together that, hey, you know what? These things might be getting into position. As far as I thought about their knocks, it was, oh, yeah, that's just them saying, oh, hey, I'm over here and, hey, I'm over here. I never put it together. And let me clarify that.

Something I've been chatting with, something that we agree on a lot of things. And he watches some of these. When we talked about, he mentioned that some of the higher primates like that, and it is in each other. Out there, if you think you're going to go out and talk to a Sasquart, try banging on a tree, I wouldn't do that. No, I mean, just on the chance that, you know, that they're around. I've started to replay different things that I have fought to be activity, you know, and when I listen to your guys' show and I rethink about these incidences, they make a lot more sense coming from the point of view that I've heard from Sasquatch Chronicles.

I mean, it really does, you know? I mean, it doesn't, it's not this, you know, oh, let's go out there, with the friendly forest giants who, you know, or as an undiscovered people, you know, I mean, I really was naive about the whole thing. And, you know, I really was. Yeah, most people are, I think it's, you know, in it, I understand the feeling somebody who really doesn't,

but when they have an encounter, you're not the same person. No, and now, see, now, see, since that roar, I equate the encounters with something much different, as in, okay, we could be in trouble, not, oh, hey, there's one, it's really not, like that for me anymore. You know, I'm, like I say, I am still fascinated with it, but I just honestly don't know what to do, so I don't do anything but sort of just observe now because that's...

And again, you have to... I'm going to go out and... $60 and go to the local supermarkets, you know, they would be able to find in the forest eats and things like this, and I'm literally putting a meal ticket on me. Usually they won't take things in real situations. You know, they might be taking a look at you. Well, I tell you, you know, honestly, on that note, I sense that roar, I've really been thinking about, you know, I'm from Florida.

You know, I've lived up here about eight years. And, you know, in Florida, you know, alligators, they have a natural fear of human beings, you know, like a lot of other animals. Well, when you start feeding them and they start to associate you with food, you become food, you know, in a lot of cases. So as I say, my whole thought of the friendly forest people is really kind of gone. You know, I'm still fascinated, but it's in a much different way now. Look, these things are wild, and these things can hurt you. Yeah, and there's a lot of these people that put, like you said, misinformation,

say, well, take a look at what this person said. And there's a handful of them that will look all the Native American tribes say the protecting spirit. they're considered evil. That's the way looking at it. Honestly, not necessarily hair in the Henderson's, but honestly, kind of like that. I thought, you know, type of very shy, which they may be shy, but...

They try to paint them like gorillas, you know, the gentle giant. And you search them in the right way, you're going to get, which a group, you're a threat, you watch these, you know, shows on gorillas, and it takes them quite a long time, weeks sometimes to get the group familiar enough

with you, you know, day after day coming there and being in a submissive mode and all that before, you know, the dominant male will allow them to approach, you know, and these things in species don't like human contact. That's probably from a very violent past because the two things that make us the dominant species, the other one that's just as important, and that's the fact, and violent species ourselves, and we're pack hunters. So it doesn't matter how big something is or was in the past, our species, dominant, cooperative,

and we're violent. these things I'm sure we have we've had very violent sure instinctually them and us when we were have an encounter oh I agree because that day when I got that roar look at my wife at first you know I looked in the direction I just kind of froze for like and what did you did in their encounter that was the first thing I did that was just kind of froze yeah I don't know what I would have done if I'd have been Woody unless you know out there and it's funny we it's funny we even get that question in fact I even had that question presented to me today was I was kind of recapping on what happened to West and I and one of the first things when one of the questions was asked was how come he didn't just drive off?

Well, I couldn't. I couldn't just drive. Yeah. I wasn't ready. I was freaked out. You know, it's funny when people say that and I just think that, you know, you're some superhero

and you can just do anything you want at any given time, but as humans, that's not the case. Yeah, right. I'm telling you, man. When you're in that situation, I mean, guys, before, I would, I will not do. Every since then, I used to go from the...

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Back to my whole, I mean, it does. I don't want to say it ruined my view of the woods, but by myself, and like I could say, I'm not scared of people out there in the woods. I'm not, what I'm scared. I just don't have to throw my $300 night vision, you know, different now. You know, it's a thing in the morning, plus a good thing to be messed up.

It's completely in this other world. with Bigfoot. You know, I mean, well, what we call Bigfoot, you know, get interaction with them

that once I got it, man, it wasn't, it was not what I thought. It was not what I thought. It wasn't hugs and kisses? No, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, man, well, Rored at me probably could have ripped my legs off. I'm serious. I mean,

I mean, my wife was there. I mean, she's upstairs. I'll wake her up if you want to talk to her, seriously. You know,

I told her, I said, look, they may want to, you know, confirm all this with it. It's like, look, ever there's a time to say, all right, yep, this really did happen. You better get on the phone and say it. Because, I mean, it... We'll save your marriage and let your wife sleep. Oh, yeah, that would be good because that would be good, you know. But, no, honestly, she herself, she herself was very scared by that.

In fact, on the way home, like I said, my mind was racing so fast. about what all just happened and trying to deal with the fear of what just happened. You know, I was like, you know, what do you think? You know, what do you think? And, you know, and she's like, you know what?

And she's like, you know, the footsteps, the knocking, it's the same thing you've been talking about that you've been reading or hearing about or what have you. But, man, and you know the thing is, I don't know if those footsteps were going away from us. I don't think that they were, they may have been coming towards, but I think that there was definitely two because one was on the ground walking, one was up on the ridge banging, I think there may have been a third or the one that was up on the ridge

possibly could have followed us, not necessarily ran out watching that ridge line or what have you and saw that we stopped when they're feeding one that usually watch. The only thing worse than getting the vocalizations is when he compared to face to face with them, and you realize, wow, he could use me as a mop to mop his nest over there. That's probably the next step up of shock. But I think the vocalizations you got are pretty, I've heard it before. I've heard the lines were before, trust me. And Woody's heard it.

There's no known animal out there right now that makes that, unless we're in Africa. But I know that the bass and the sound and just the power that comes out. As it travels through the forest, like when it hits you, that's enough to make you want to go away. Yeah. And you know what, Wes, and you know what, you kind of hit the nail on head. I've been waiting to try to say something about that, Wes. With Jeff's encounter, it's not so much he saw this, he saw that, and this happened, and this happened. The roar enough was enough to make him frightened for his life.

Leave. Yeah, leave. And he was, you know, you can tell him Jeff's voice, and he was scared. and that was he had enough another thing is too it kind of makes me go back with you know West and Will it makes me think that that's why we started this whole show to help educate people as far as these things aren't the friendly creatures out in the woods you know there's a reason why we're scared and it's kind of built into us and I'm glad we've done and I'm going to tell you Jeff will is one of the best guys to talk to about this sort of thing because

When this happened to Wes and I, West talked to Will and he was one of the very first people that we reached out to. If you have any questions and don't feel stupid, don't feel like, hey, I'm a dumb ass or anything like that. No, no. He will give you a legitimate answer for just about any question that you have. I appreciate your enthusiasm for show too because, you know, you gave us some good props as far as how the show goes. But that's why we started the whole show with, that's why we started the show with. was for people like you to be able to come out, tell your story, and not get a bunch of BS back in return.

You know, that's why we started this whole show, and I'm glad everyone's working on the way it is, and I really appreciate your encounter. Well, I tell you what, I hope you guys get other guys that come forward and say, hey, listen, I wasn't just a hunter, I wasn't just this, listen, I was one of these guys, I got interested, I went out there,

and I got way more than I thought I was going to get. You know? And like I say, I mean, you know, I wish I had more, I'm glad I don't have more to tell you, you know, but I wish I had more to tell you. Oh, yeah, that thing chased me or what? None of that happened. As soon as that roar happened, I mean, it was done. It was done. Yeah, we're getting more.

But as close as I get to them now is a drawing. Again, you know, it's a, it's kind of a real. You know what? I have a few people, and I mean a few, four or five, but I mean, they're very close with me, you know. But it's not something I tell my father-in-law, you know, I don't. I don't want to get as much different than telling it. Because I can't go over it with my wife. You know, she doesn't like that experience.

It was a bad, me. Actually, you know, why are you talking about this again? Why are you talking about it? And I don't think it's because I had proper closure with it, you know? Right. But talking to you guys about it, you know, when you guys are coming from the point, watch out. That's the main message right there, right there.

And it makes a difference talking to people that can talk to all these people out there that think they're experts, but they've never seen one, they can't relate to it. When you try and share your encounter with, you know, a family member or someone that you love, and then you kind of get a condescending remark back from them. I mean, I can't imagine anything more that hurts, you know, beyond that. Because they like you, you know, they're not taking it as serious as it is. You know, they're just listening to you because you have an interest or something like that. And it's like, listen, man, this really happened.

Do you understand? And it's dangerous. Let me throw this at you guys, too. Something that I've realized just of recently is the more open I am about it and the more that I talk about it to certain different sorts of people, they too have certain things to say about it. But they won't come out openly and say it unless you already kind of like break the ice type thing. And they're like, oh, well, by the way, this has happened.

So it's becoming an easier thing to talk about, and I think that's important, too, that people need to come out and, you know, speak their mind because I really don't give crap anymore what people think. I saw what I saw, and it is what it is. If you don't like it, you can either change the station not listen to me or, you know, you can listen to what I have a say, you know, so. Right.

But you know what? That's what kept me listening to you guys, though, is because... Change the station. Let's not go that far, right? Yeah, come on. No, but, seriously, that's what got me listening to you guys. That's what got me listening to you guys is the point of view you were coming across. Like, you know, listen, you know, it's, I'm sorry, I just can't say it enough.

I mean, it's for real. It really is for real, you know, and I just wanted proof for myself. Like I said, I wasn't interested in, you know, getting the specimen or any of this other stuff. I wasn't interested in that. I was interested in making a few friends in the community and going, out and experiencing and at the best case scenario, oh, what do you know? I have a secret friendship with the friendly forest people that no one knows about, you know, that would have thrilled me to no end.

But you know what? It doesn't seem like they want that friendship. It doesn't seem like they want that. What do you think it'll take to prove that's real? What do you think it's going to take? Well, honestly, honestly, you're talking about to, to people at large, you know, as in to the world or to the country or something like that. To the United States.

Okay, to the United States. Well, you know, honestly, I think it's going to, I think it takes a body. I mean, it takes a body. What else could it take? I mean, you know, people have footage and things like that. And a lot of it could be here or there or what have you. And do you trust the source that's showing it or whatever? but you know honestly until

until either the government says hey it is real until they do something like that and put up things like they like don't feed the saskwatch or don't do unless they put out you know informational posters until there's wide recognition about it you know by other people that are bigger than just your general public i.e. the government or people at work

for the park and recreation or DCM or fishing game or get in this. I know we don't like to cross-pollinate, but, you know, I mean, there's politicians to say, hey, listen, you know, half the world believes in UFOs, too. We've seen them, but, you know, you tell somebody you got taken by one and, whoa, come on, what are you crazy, you know. Right, right.

So I don't know that I would, you know, at this government, and I don't necessarily, you know, mean like the CIA or FBI, though they probably know about it. I don't know, guys. I mean, honestly, it would have to be people in our own local governments everywhere in every state, you know, and say, hey, listen, in this part of the country, you need to be aware of this. You know, you need to understand that this could be a theoretical danger, you know. Well, it didn't go over. I mean, you know what, too, Will, on your website or on your blog site, whatever that is, that Will Jebbing, Bigfoot Researcher, I actually went there and I played a few.

There was another one with John Green and Renee and another gentleman, and they were all kind of, you know, collectively talking. And, I mean, like you say, these guys, I mean, they were, they knew about this, they were into it. They knew at that time. The only way you're going to do this is to get one, you know, and I know that's not popular. Yeah, they weren't stupid people. And, you know, I know that's, I think there's a vocal, you're going to have to have a,

and that's related to you on one of your episodes, I mean, he watched the, you know what? That thing came and got it. And that's not the only case I've heard like that. There have been other hunters or people out there in the field where they were looking for a thing or what have you. And then, oh, whoa, all of a sudden, what's that thing? And thank gosh I have my rifle. And they shoot the thing, you know, coup d'é raw, you know, whatever, right through the head.

And lo and a whole, here's another one. What's it do? Do exactly what that gentleman said. It threw it over its shoulder, scaled the wall. There's a documentary and a book that you guys have been sharing and promoting lately that has a lot of good information in it too, and it's burying them, or are they eating them, or what are they doing? They may pot their dermal ridges. It's fine and dandy, but... I'm scared to go look around the creek beds for tracks. You know, there might be one over there or something, you know. You know, contact me by email, and I'll send you some pictures of things to look for.

You know, I was hoping that you would say that. I know that you've offered that to other guests and things like that. I really would thank guys. I really thank you for letting me come on here and converse with you guys and express this. It's done for me, you know, not just to talk to them about this, but to seriously just talk about the subject and kind of where I was with it, you know. I mean, just realize, honestly, what more of the real, we find my place, you know, as an observer, you know, and that's okay, you know. It's like,

I think that that was okay. I thought I had to go out there and have this quest, you know, and it's like, we have to help of the other folks now. You know, we get rid of all the junk, buying an appetite of information versus, you know, being able to listen to it, imagine, digest it, consume it, versus going out there and kind of hip-shooting a situation, you know. Do you think that when you were tapping on the, and I know we have another caller waiting, but Jeff, do you think when you were tapping on the rocks or on the tree sumps and you were getting the rock clocking back and then you had stopped and it had stopped, do you think maybe it followed you for a little distance and then realized that

what the things that you were doing wasn't really what it thought, it was responding to you and it kind of pissed it off? I think so. I think so. I don't know. Something was making noise in the forest that wasn't usual human noise.

You know, usual human noise. You might be out there, you know, tapping a steak or whatever. But what I was doing was, I mean, I had a stick about three or four feet long, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, poping it on a boulder. Rep it really fast. I really did.

You know, I've heard that before about having short tempers on your guys' show. And you know what? That made a lot of sense to me. As I reflect back on it since I listened to the show, honestly, I think that's what happened. I think it definitely was mad at me. It definitely was mad at me. And I think it got mad at me for a few different reasons because, you know, when I've gotten those footsteps before when I've done that in different parts of the Appalachian Trail

or different parts of the show for us. You know, I've gotten that. There's these heavy footsteps, but it was almost like something was walking away from me, you know, like, oh, man, this is going on, and it walks off. You know, and I thought back, well, could it be somebody? Could it be someone? And, you know, honestly, with the mountain folk that are around here,

you know, a hunter or somebody else would have said, hey, shut the hell up, you know, or something like that. You're scared of the fish, you know, or something like that, you know, versus, you know, just quietly walking off. So when I got those footsteps, I thought, oh, okay, the footsteps. Well, why is it walking away? And then all of a sudden those rock clacks started happening. I came to repeat myself, as I thought, I thought, oh, it must think that it's communicating.

So, Papa, I'm trying to get it. It had no interest in mimicking what I was doing. That's not what it was doing. It sounded more like an alarm. It sounded more like something, I don't know, like an alarm, like something's wrong or something, something something's going on that they need to be

aware of or something like that you know like I said it may be five minutes I mean you know in my memory you know just talking minutes or less you know because she was now and these rock clots were still going on and it wasn't like oh

I think I can hear those rocks can you hear that I mean it was loud but it seemed like it was just at the ridge line like it could see us I would imagine. And yes, I do think it followed me. I'm sorry. I guess I didn't answer your question.

But, yeah, I do think it watched us from that boulders and perhaps ran down a little bit and then roared from the ground. You know, because it is a slight decline as you walk from the road where I was parked smoking a cigarette, back to where this roar came from. It's a slight decline as it goes up to the boulders. I have a question for you, too. and Rex and I have talked a little about this and I've talked a little bit about it too

I realized it was a very scary encounter for you as far as hearing the roar and whatnot that going backwards in time do you think that are you glad that you had the encounter or do you wish it would have never happened? Did it kind of open your eyes as far as what's out there? What are

your feelings on that? I have mixed emotions about it. I'm more glad than it happened at first I was not glad because I didn't know what to do now. You know, all of a sudden, my Sasquatch adventure was over. You know, it was over. I didn't know what to do.

I didn't know how to just the one thing I knew to do versus all the other stuff that would elicit. You know, I thought when I got that type of activity, I think, well, gosh, you know, I got a big fail on that. Well, I mean, I got what I wanted. Are they real? Are they there? Well, yeah, they're there.

Yeah. there. So yes, I got that. I get it. I get what you're saying because it was kind of like me. For many years, I thought, no way in hell. No way in hell this thing doesn't exist, doesn't exist. But then when it happened, I was scared to death that within a few days, it kind of opened the door for me. And I was like, I need more answers. I need more answers now.

Who do I talk to? What can I find out? What can I find out about it? What actually happened? Why am I feeling the way that I feel? and I was kind of curious if you have the same reception on that as far as you know

I really think so because I feel like all of the outlets that I once felt like I got tons of valuable information are now obituating stuff and all that it's like hey listen man you know I mean I guess you need another show to talk about that

but you know it's really not a good idea if you know perhaps if you're Will Jeving you might know how to deal with this type of situation and have the brains not to create a situation like that. We all feel. You know, help not at your home, you know. Hey, let's go out, you know, 100 yards into our woodline, and, hey, let's bring him to our house where our children's sleep.

You know, maybe that's not a good idea, you know. But, you know, most of the people out there, you know. I said he's got balls of steel. We all don't have that. Well, my God. I mean, what's he got? 40 years behind him. And, you know, I'm sorry to say it.

But, I mean, my gosh, he knew all those. hardcore, you know, original. My God, they're the ones that spent the most time in the field, you know, and knew about this subject and knew about others that had a lot of dedication with it. And then you got somebody like Will Jumving, you know, in my field, you know, in tattooing, I'll just put it out there. You know, it's like putting out, it's like saying, you know, old school names, the notion of what I do.

You know, I'm not trying to put it out there, like I'm a starstruck guy or anything, but, hey, it's a big deal, man. It's a big deal. I'm talking to Will Jimbing here, okay? You know, who the hell am I? I'm some guy in the Appalachian. I'm getting to talk to a serious, you know, an employee about Bigfooting.

You know, let's get real. Don't forget what. He's pretty good, too. That's right. We can't forget what. Well, you know, I don't, I forget who is the younger, either Woody or West, you know. But I appreciate when the older brother gets on there and he's like, well, you know, don't forget, Woody, you know, when we were doing that, you know,

I just think it's funny. It's almost like the voice or reason there coming out. I've got more of the show today. Am I glad it happened? I got to say yes. For all of the things that stopped for me and all of the regrouping and the reclassification of reclassifying all of this,

because like I said, my personal passion of quest and adventure, understanding it stopped. You know, for a moment, it seemed like for about four or five years to life again. I could go out into the forest and there was this new adventure and there's this, I mean, how could you pay attention to real life?

How could you, you know, when this is here? It makes you reevaluate a lot of things. I guess it's the way to put it. Honestly, it made me refine the value of normal life. It really did. There's something to be said for it. But, hey, anyway, I know you guys got another caller and stuff, so I don't want to find it thought. I mean, I'll talk as long as you guys keep me on here,

but I know you guys got other things to do, so. No, we sure appreciate you coming on, you're telling us your encounter. Man, I really appreciate you guys letting me. I really honestly do. I mean, when you guys extended that invitation to me, I thought, oh, man, thank God, finally. And let me know what you see.

Yeah, absolutely. Not a problem at all. The show, and people like me, we're listening, honestly. Man, I love it. I love the show. Just keep it going. And honestly, I just got to say this before we go. I guess you guys were doing the show for a while and then maybe took a slight break or something there in between

and then came back with more episodes, with newer episodes or something. You know, Sasquatch Chronicles or what have you, and I saw a picture of Wes and Woody, sorry, with the sunglasses and the shaved heads and stuff. I was like, at first, I got to be honest, when I saw that, I was like, wait a minute, what is this? God, is this somebody trying to be cool with it? I'm not interested in that. I want the real stuff, you know? And, hey, man, well and behold,

yeah, we're just a bunch of hillbillies. Well, the nice thing is you guys are normal guys, you know, you look like, you know, you're very relatable. You know, it's easy to relate to, you know, in your pictures, you know, you're not like a, you know, in the guide jacket, you know, and you're ready, you know, or whatever. No, there's anything wrong with that, you know. You don't typically look like the would-be squatcher, you know,

with the latest, you know, line of bullshit, you know. Really? Yeah. He's better looking than both of us put together, so, you know. Yeah, well, that's not hard to do. Yeah.

I'm just old, that's all. Come on, Will, you got the, you got the experience and all the time and all, you know, look like you got the experience. Yeah, thank you, never do any, yeah, that's what, do you guys ever get around? I mean, I know that,

I don't know, it might be getting, in the circuit a bit of the side shows and stuff. But do you guys ever consider going to any conferences or conventions or anything like that? I'm going to be shit. You know, you guys relating to the everyday American that the situation that, you know, they're really perplexed with, you know, this is a great outlet. You know, it's a great outlet. And I'm sure you guys will get a lot more, well, a lot of supporters,

anyway, from the public just doing what you're doing. Honestly. Yeah, I hope you guys get some sponsors too. Yeah, it'd be nice to be a couple sponsors, you know. We'd put out, I think we'd put out a few more shows a week than what we do. Yeah, right. It'd be nice to have the time to go out into the field because I can think of about 10 places right now. I would want to be out in the field, you know, if we had that time.

Really, I mentioned, too, that we're... You know, I saw. You know, I saw it. Yeah, so hopefully more to come. Well, I'll tell you what, if you, you know, I mean, Pennsylvania, a lot of the hot spot. is, you know, that people popularly know about is more of the, let me tell you, down here where I am, I'm in the middle. I mean, I am literally right here bordering West Virginia.

If you go through on the, from the Ohio, on a map, I mean, you know, it's running right through there. And like I said, I grew up in Florida, you know, so coming up here to these mountains, I mean, this is down there, they got a lot going on with their skunk apes and things like that, and I think that's great, you know. I really do. But let me tell you what, up here, they got some big ones. They got some real big ones. I haven't seen them.

I mean, there's stories of bow hunters and all kinds of guys right around here, right around here that have had some hellaceous. And if you want me to, I can pass some information of you guys on. And if you guys, you know, would so choose to talk with them, you know, I'm sure they would love to speak with you guys as well. And some of these guys, like I say, they're hunters. They were hunting all their life. You're not going to tell these guys there's something in the woods that they don't know about.

You know, they're simple. I don't want to say simple. But I just meant, you know, down home, you know, red-blooded Americans, they don't put up with crap. And when they run into something like this, they literally don't know what to do. And they do not go back in the woods. They sell off all their hunting gear. They're, you know, they don't care. You know, when they encounter this.

We're very interesting. and hearing from any hunters and loggers. Yeah, okay. Something we talked about doing the show about was loggers and loggers. Okay, sure. That's no problem. I mean, there's lots of logging that goes on in this area, too. I don't know that it's as much as perhaps what you guys have experienced out west or what have you,

but, I mean, you can see huge, huge things that are fenced off from where they just cut down a bunch of stuff. They're letting the new growth going. There's active logging going on up here, you know, where it's logging roads. and the whole thing that run all over. I mean, if you guys get the chance, honestly, please, Google Earth it, research it, whatever. The Michaud Forest right here in Pennsylvania, between Chambersburg and Gettysburg. It's probably, well, I'll tell you what, I certainly didn't. I certainly didn't.

All right, gentlemen, well, I think I'm going to throttle off and get back inside. I've been standing in the garage all this time, and like you said, I'm from Florida, So my fingers are frozen right now. Hey, thank you again, Jeff. And I'm one bad. Thank you for coming on and listening to the show as much as you do. We sure appreciate all that. And we'll definitely be following up with you in the future.

Just see if anything new has happened. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I was going to say, I'll definitely be emailing Will, and I'll definitely be following you guys. So, you know, please. I look forward to hearing from you guys and sharing it,

All right. Thanks so much, Jeff. Hey, no problem. Have a great night. Hey, you too. That was a good account. That was a really good account. You know, it's, I know on past shows where, you know, I've asked, like a lion's war, and everyone said, well, I'm not quite like a lion's war, you know, because that's what I heard. I know Jeff had sent me messages on Facebook saying, no, exactly. It's a lion's war.

I would say it's quite the eye opener as far as the situation he was in. and you just, you never know. At best, I think Sasquatch is going to use you as a moth and it's going to clean the house. I mean, you get in those situations where you're in the wrong place and maybe they were hunting. I mean, who knows what they were doing? They probably got ticked off that they were.

Well, his story made me think that maybe the Sasquatches were a little bit thrown off by the wood knocking and thought it was maybe one of their own. And the roaring was, hey, I'm pissed off. now kind of like you guys double-crossed us that's not exactly what was on that was my impression of the story anyway and something interesting about him his account is like ours you're right that's why they say you know be careful what you wish for because uh you might just get it sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week

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