Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:130 A Trapper is killed

Episode Date: July 27, 2015

The Bauman story comes from President Theodore Roosevelt's 1892 book, "The Wilderness Hunter," which describes an encounter between an ape-man and a young frontiersman named Bauman. According to Roosevelt, Bauman and his partner were trapping along a remote stretch of Montana's Wisdom River sometime in the mid-19th century. After building a lean-to and making camp in what seemed like an ideal spot for game, the two men began setting their traps. When they returned, they found their packs had been rummaged and their shanty torn down. Undaunted, the men set about reconstructing their wilderness abode. That night, Bauman was awakened by the sound of rustling and the foul stench of a wild beast. He immediately rose up and fired a shot, and then heard something tearing off through the woods. He and his partner were unnerved by this and decided to abandon the camp at the first light of dawn. Come morning, the two split up so that Bauman could gather the traps while his partner made camp downriver. Sadly, both would not make it home alive. When Bauman arrived at the new campsite, he found his partner sprawled on the ground with his necked snapped and a set of bite marks on his throat. He knew at once that the menacing forest beast was responsible, according to the story. The horrific sight sent him running — rifle in hand — never to return to the spot again. By the time he told his story to Roosevelt, Bauman was a very old man. Tonight I speak to Brian who had a very up close and personal encounter with a Sasquatch as a child. He talks about one of these creatures walking up on him and his friend in the middle of the night, Brian states "It had yellow eyeshine and the hands were like a catchers mitt..."

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister with it. The look it was given me.

What would airport? Now, sir. That son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Saskwaxhont, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. 18th century Idaho, two trappers set out on a beaver hunt, deep in the bitter-roof mountains.

The two men were warned not to go deep into this area. A year prior, another trapper's body had been found, ripped to pieces, and half eaten. Rumors abound. found that the young trapper had been killed by a half-man, half-monkey-type creature. A young frontiersman at the time and the only survivor to the incident that took place, Balman recounted his story to Teddy Roosevelt. Along a remote stretch of Montana's Wisdom River, the two men decided to set up camp. Both men briefly leave the camp to go set up traps for the night.

Upon returning, their campsite is demolished. Everything has been gone through, and their lean-to had been torn down. As night fell, the two men were undaunted, and began to set up their camp again. The men start to find human-like tracks all around their camp. Remembering the several warnings the men had received not to come into this area, and the previous trapper that had been killed, the men began to panic. Both men had decided to call it a night. Bauman was awakened by the sound of rustling and the foul stench of a wild beast.

He immediately rose up and fired a shot. Both men then heard something, tearing off through the woods. Balman and his partner were unnerved by this and decided to abandon the camp at first light. You go ahead and pack up, I'll go get the beaver traps. Whatever was harassing these two men was still around. Bauman and his partner made the mistake of separating. Bauman headed down to the river to retrieve the beaver traps, while his companion said he would take the camp down and meet him downriver.

When Balman arrived to the new campsite, he found his partner sprawled out on the ground with his neck snapped and a set of bite marks on his throat. He knew at once a menacing forest beast was responsible. At the horrific site, Balman took off running. As an old man, Balman would recount the story of future president, Teddy Roosevelt. Until Balman's death, he would always say the wild man had killed his friend. Not an Indian, not a bear, but a wild man had killed his friend that day.

President Roosevelt was so struck by the story, he wrote about it. and his 1892 book, The Wilderness Hunter. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Hope you enjoyed the bombing story. It's a tough story to tell because there's so many different moving parts to it. But there's a lot in that particular encounter and a lot of warnings in that particular encounter. Don't separate from the group.

Don't go off, you know, stay together in a group. And I think that's really the moral to the whole story. people can say it was a shooting, they can say this or that, but I really think it's not separating when you're out there with people. But thanks for being here tonight, everyone. I really appreciate it. Got a great guest on for tonight. I'm going to be speaking with Brian. Brian had a very interesting encounter, very up-close and personal type encounter when he was a child. Before we get to that, if you get a chance, please visit Sasquatch Chronicles.com. For additional shows, throughout the week. If you've had an encounter, email me, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

Well, I want to welcome Brian to the show. Brian, thanks for being here tonight. Hey, thanks for having me, Wes. You had an encounter when you were a kid that you guys were off shooting fireworks and ran into one of these things. Tell us a little bit about the property. Had you guys had any other experiences prior to the siting? Well, I'm from Texas originally, and my mom is from Louisiana, so my grandmother still had property there, and we would go visit quite often on the weekends. And she had about five acres that was, it was all Piney Woods out behind the house. And then the next door neighbors who had kids my age at the time, well, they were. still my age, had about 10 to 15 acres that had a large pond on the property, and then it had

out, you know, behind the property was all Piney Woods for miles and miles and miles. There was a train track that ran through behind the property heading north-south, and that got removed for some reason and so you had a you know a high you know a elevated flat space that you could walk on for miles and this town was between what's called derritter Louisiana and Lake Charles so I mean there was you know it's a little town a little late yellow flashing light it's a you know a kids Paradise. You could shoot shotguns and target shoot and ride.

We had three wheelers back then, not four wheelers. Motorcycles, the kids next door had horses. We'd go ride horses. Very, very rural setting. Oh yeah. You get up in the morning, you go run around the woods all day, come back when the sun went down basically.

Prior to this, did anyone in your family ever mention anything about these creatures or talk about anything weird going on around the property? No, the only thing that was, and I don't remember if this, I think it was before, the only weird thing that we ever witnessed was there was, and I can never remember the name of it, and it was only after I heard it on YouTube, that it clicked to me, that's what it was. The whole basically one night, the whole family was standing out behind the house, listening to

what sounded like the hyena type screaming. I got you. I think it was the Eumatilla screamer is what the videos called. But, you know, and my

grandmother said, oh, well, that's a cougar. You know, I was a little kid. So, okay. That's, yeah, I guess that's a cougar. I mean, it didn't sound like a big cat to me, but... Let me try to accuse some of

that up here for the audience. Here's a little bit of the Eumatilla sounds. January 21st, about 11 p.m. I'm a couple hundred feet from my house, and you hear it going off in the background right now. Kind of sounds weird. Kind of sounds dogish, hyenas, but you can hear it going off in the background right now.

It's really kind of strange, just to say the least. It's been going off for about 15, 20 minutes so far. by the fire station and it's pretty crazy so if you can listen that'd be crazy hold on I mean that almost sounds like laughter it's actually gotten closer since it started

it's probably only 200 feet 300 feet from me right now I don't know what it is or what that is going off right there you can hear it when I very first heard that there was I thought you know that's strange I don't know that I've heard that

audio, that type of audio before. And what strange is, I couldn't place it with anything I had personally ever heard in the woods. And it wasn't until I saw a video from the early 90s about these kids that were out in the woods and they were actually out looking for Bigfoot. And this thing started going off like the Umatilla screamer and it was coming at them. Uh, and it just freaked them out. And that's strange. So you heard that out there. You guys, the whole family had heard that. Oh yeah. It was me, you know, my, my brother and sister, my mom. my dad, my grandmother. And, you know, we heard, we listened to it for probably a good 10 minutes.

Um, I remember, you know, actually getting bored. Because, you know, you look, yeah, and little kid. Yeah, that's cool. You know, oh, look, a, you know, a bright, shiny object. Let's go play with that. Yeah. So, you know, um, but it was, you know, it was weird. Um, and again, it was pawned off as a, oh, that's, that's a cougar.

Yeah. And, you know, again, this is. western Louisiana. I didn't really think they're, you know, and again, nowadays, you know, looking at it through the eyes of an adult, there really weren't a lot of cougars around there as far as I know. Yeah, and that particular sound really isn't a sound that cougars make. Do you think your grandma, was it your grandma said she thought it was a cougar?

No, she, yeah, it was my grandmother, and she flat out said that's what it was. Oh, I got you. You know, because we were all going, well, what is that? You know, my mom, what is that? And, you know, she just, oh, that's a cougar. Yeah. End of discussion. So you guys were hearing strange things around the property, kind of like the you, Matilla sounds.

Can you walk us into your encounter? Kind of tell us what you were doing, who you were with, and walk us right into what happened. Yeah. I'm already getting goosebumps just talking. I've told this story to 100 times. We were having the classic bottle rocket war, which is probably why they don't sell bottle rockets anymore. I can't say I haven't done that myself. Yeah.

You know, we survived the 80s, I'll imagine. Anyway, it was me and this kid named Philip, and he is about 11, 12. I was just about to turn 11, and my brother and his brother were on the other team. And we had been shooting, you know, these things at each other, and it was dark. It was full-on nighttime. And it wasn't just the area around my grandparents and their neighbor's house. You know, other people were shooting off fireworks as well. And since it was a very rural area, you know, you were getting people had some.

some pretty good size, you know, professional grade fireworks. Right. The homemade. Yeah, possibly you could see it at this. But we had been going at it for a while. And Philip and I had decided we were going to try to sneak up behind, you know, and flank them, you know, my brother and his brother. So what we decided to do was run all the way to one end of the property,

which has the pond on it. and then beyond the pond, on the far side of the pond, the ground slopes down to, I guess they call it a bottom. And it goes down a good, you know, 20, 30 feet at about a 45 degree angle. And then it flattens out, and it's straight piney woods probably for about two miles. And so we run around back there, and it is pitch black. I have a flashlight that's one of those old yellow, you know, six, bolt battery, flashlights, a big square, clunky thing, and a big bag of bottle rockets. We run around behind there.

We go down to the bottom of the embankment, for lack of a better word, and we're not there just a couple seconds and we're leaning against the embankment when we hear this heavy breathing coming from behind us. And if you've stood next to one of those gigantic Clydesdale horses, that's the volume of air that it sounded like. Plus it kind of had a bit of a rasp to it and it started walking towards us. And again, it's pitch black. All we can, you know, you might see like one tree in front of you and then it's pitch blackness, you know, beyond.

And it's walking on two legs towards us. So, you know, I got the flashlight and I'm, you know, 10, 11 years old. I'm about five feet tall. And I turn it on at check. test level and I'm staring into basically a hairy wall and then so I'm like what the you know what is that and then I follow the wall up and then I am met with glowing yellow eyes and that lasts for about a heartbeat before the hand comes up and blocks the eyes

and that's it was like three heartbeats staring at a hairy wall seeing the yellow glowing eyes hand goes up we turn around screaming like little girls

trying to claw our way up the embankment to get away drop the flashlight we're tearing out of there screaming the bloody murder everybody else all the other kids start screaming because we, you know, come up the top of the pond and running down the side.

And Phillips' house, his dad's house was closest, so he ran there. I ran to my grandparents' house where my parents were blabbering about a monster in the woods. You know, I mean, and of course, there's no monster out there. You know, you didn't see a monster. something else. You saw a tree. You know, I mean, just you didn't see a monster. No, I saw, we saw a monster.

You know, Philip can tell you we saw a monster. And, you know, his dad told, you know, told him you didn't see no monsters. The next day, we got back together. You know, I had also dropped my big bag of bottle rockets and being 10 years old, I kind of wanted those back.

So we got Phillips 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun. I had a 16-gauge shotgun and he had his dad's 357 and we walked around to the top of the pond before it

led down to the bottom where the woods were where we saw the thing and stood there. Well, you know, there's the flashlight laying on the ground and so it's like, you know, there's my bottle Rockets laying on the ground.

And it's kind of like, okay, go get them. No, you go get them kind of thing, you know. We stood there. We were all talking tough up until we got there. And then it's like, no, it's okay. You know, I'll wait until

somebody, you know, about five other people show up and then I'll go get them. The next night, Phillips' dad, now these, you know, in his country setting and, you know, he's got an area next to the house. where they had built literally a, we called it the tree house,

but it was basically a cabin on stilts. One room square building on stilts that was about 12 feet off the ground. They had welded a metal ladder together to be able to get up to it. And we would, you know, plan that and, you know, slide down the ladder and all this other stuff.

And the next night, Philip's dad woke up and saw what he, called a man wearing a fur coat standing out by the tree house. He opened the door and yelled at the man. And then when he did, the hairy, the fur coat, and this is July, a fur coated man ran off. But then he realized, and, you know, he's telling us this later, he realized the guy's head was bumping up against the bottom of the tree house.

And the treehouse is 12 feet high. so that was that was the only you know two times that uh something like that happened there was another time where they you know the kids next door had a swimming pool when it was above ground metal framed swimming pools the mom told us if uh there's a a coyote on the loose with rabies and if something comes up and tries to get you, just stay in the middle of the pool and you'll be okay and just yell for the house. Which, you know, young kid logic, that sounds reasonable,

but as an adult looking back, it's like, how's the coyote going to, with Radies, A, getting into the swimming pool, B, and if we splashed water on it, it would probably run away to begin with. So, and she said that the men at, there's a gas line station. There's like a big gas line running through this area. And that's

where my grandfather worked. And she's, this kid's mom said, well, the minute the gas company said they had seen it walking around the gas company. I mean, that kind of didn't make looking back, it kind of didn't make a lot of sense that you know, there's a rabid coyote.

Usually they don't live very long once they go rabid. but, you know, to warn us about it while we're playing in a swimming pool is, you know, a little unusual. That is very unusual. You know, in that situation, you wouldn't think, like you said, with the coyotes may just flush little water and they're out of there, whether it's rabbit or not, it's going to take off. How old were you when all of this was going on? I was, I mean, I was about 10 to 11 years old. This all happened probably within a couple of years. and we would go there

maybe twice a month on the weekends and then longer in the summertime to visit the grandparents and this all happened right around 79, 80 and the only reason I'm positive it was 4th of July

is because of the fireworks and it was hot if it was fireworks and cold it would have been you know New Year's. As you got older did you ever get a chance to talk to

your buddy Philip, his father, and talk to him about that man in the fur coat? Yeah, we had talked about it. We didn't talk about it for the longest time. And it probably only took about, you know, I guess because we were kids, it only took about, you know, a couple of months before we, you know, stopped hanging around the house and started venturing off into the woods again. you know, Phillips' dad was,

well, just make sure you take a shotgun with you. I mean, whenever we would venture away from the house and went roaming

in the woods, he always told us to make sure we took a shotgun with us. And it was loaded with double-out buck. So,

I mean, you know, the size of this thing was pretty good. I mean, I felt like when I was looking up at it, it was,

my head was all the way back. I'm looking up at it, you know, really very high thing. Did Philip's dad ever change his mind on it being a man in a fur coat? He did, but he didn't. You know what I mean?

He's one of those guys, you know, it wasn't a man in the fur coat, but he wasn't going to tell you it wasn't a man in a fur coat. He would just say, yeah, it was kind of weird. That was odd. You know, it looked like a, he goes, yeah, it looked like a guy wearing a fur coat. What was it? Well, it looked like a guy with a fur coat. I gotcha.

What's interesting about him saying that is I have had other witnesses on. I had a guy in Washington State one time, and he had seen a creature, and at first he thought it was a guy in a fur coat, until, kind of like your situation, the guy was huge, and it was out of proportion for a human, and it didn't make sense. It was in the middle of the summer, and it was quite a ways away,

and the more he looked at it, the more he started to realize, holy crap, this isn't a guy in a fur coat, this is something else, you know sometimes it's easier not to address things and just chalk it up to explaining it like a man in a fur coat and yeah that was weird sometimes people do that for psychology and for their own mental well-being rather than address it as being something strange oh yeah no no I know no doubt I mean it took me I you know I there was for the longest time I wouldn't talk I didn't talk about it you know one time I uh when I first started, when I got quite a bit older, I was, you know, I asked my mom, because then I started thinking, you know, did I actually see that that actually happened? So I talked to my mom, I'm like, hey, do you remember, you know, when we were little, that Fourth of July, where we came running up saying there was a monster in the woods and she was like, oh, yeah, I remember that. You guys

thought you saw, you know, Bigfoot or something out in the woods. I had never used the word Bigfoot. But, you know, of course, yeah, here it is. It was probably later like 90, late 80s, you know, 90s, before, you know, when I asked her about it. And of course, you know, by then bigfoot's everywhere. But, you know, and when I was a kid, I never, you know, I'd seen, like, there was a couple movies that came out.

And of course, you know, the elementary school library had the monster books that, you know, had the, you know, had the, picture of Patty on the cover. And I always thought they're up in Washington State. So I'm good. You know, we're safe down here. Godspeed, Washington State. We're good down here.

Yeah, good look. Good look, folks, because we're down here in the south, you know, in the Texas area, and we're good. But now, you know, with everything else going on these days, it's like, okay, Texas, kind of scary. How far away from the creature do you think you were? Wes, I think I was at least 10 feet. Wow, so you were really close.

I think if I had waited to turn the flashlight on, I might have been closer. But, yeah, when I hit the flashlight, it looked like I was standing in front of a dirty, shaggy brown carpet. And that's interesting, that description. Was it, were you able to get any facial features or anything like that from what you remember? No. I was, the moment the eyes, I hit the face, and I know it was like, you know, boom, boom, you know, I hit the face. And the eyes started getting, you know, massive eye shine because it was a pretty powerful flashlight. I was so focused on that.

and then you know I mean I was I felt like I was rooted in place and then when the hand came up and I remember the hand more than I do the face because when the hand came up

I remember it had hair hanging down and it had the palm was like almost black right yeah and it was like a big mitt I mean it was it was like somebody had some crazy looking

baseball mid on that, I mean, it was just huge. I just remember it, you know, covering its eyes. And then that's, you know, a bear. There's not a lot of bear in Louisiana. And bears that shield their eyes with their hands are pretty unheard of, I'm sure. Right. Yeah.

You know, so. Yeah. And did the creature vocalize or anything? the only thing it did was when it was we noticed the breathing and I'm sure it was it didn't change I mean we weren't when we ran down to the base of the of the hill I'm sure it wasn't hiding it was just I think it was biting its time because there's so much commotion going on that that's kind of been the conclusion I came up with you know it was passing through but there's all this commotion going on well let me just hang out here until everything settles down and then you know later on I'll pass through it was breathing I felt like it wasn't breathing heavy it was just such a big animal it was expelling so much air it was it was breathing it wasn't like winded you know it was just expelled it was so big it had like huge lungs it's expelling all this air like it's breathing in it's just you know

these big lungs and it's breathing out, but it had like a rasp to it. But it didn't like scream at us. It didn't vocalize it anyway. In all the years, we would, you know, run through woods. I never heard whoops. We never heard wood knocks. I never heard whistling. That seemed weird.

You know, I mean, we never heard anything like that. And that night, I definitely, we didn't hear anything. Yeah, the breathing is very strange. I have heard that before And it's just to how you described The only one thing I would probably add to it Is it reminded me of kind of like a sick animal Because of the raspy

I'd agree with that It kind of like it had a cold or something Yeah kind of just like a sick animal Like a very large sick animal But kind of reminded me of a sick animal As you got older Did you talk with your friend about what happened? Yeah, well we

We kind of never really talked about it. You know, I don't think it was one of those deals where it was like, hey, remember that time, you know, the 4th of July? Yeah, I remember that. And that was it. Right. Let's go get a beer. Let's, yeah, let's go get a beer. Because we don't need to go through that again.

We don't need to discuss it. We lived it. You know, what else is the? I mean, and it wasn't. a very long encounter to be sure. But it was long enough. Yeah, and it was one of those encounters that's very up close and personal. Now being an adult, looking back on it,

because sometimes it's hard to reflect on it as a kid, but as you get older, I know you've probably, well, I'm assuming you've replayed this to your mind over and over again. What was your impression of what it was doing? Like I said, looking back, I feel like it was, It was hanging out. It was just passing through. I don't feel like it was there.

But then again, if I look, you know, you're talking about it now. It was there two nights. You know, the folks next door, they had horses. And they had a barn on the edge of the woodline that had horse feed. And it was that maple and oats horse feed. I mean, that's, you know, I'm sure. sure would be delicious for these guys to eat. And it's not like they had one of those really cool big red barns. You know, they had a barn that had an open front that you could just walk into.

And they, you know, it was open. You know, it didn't have doors on it. It just was open. So they would store these oats in that barn. Right. So there's lots of food, easy food. Oh, yeah. There's lots of food. There's lots of deer. There's natural springs. that bubble up out of the ground, you know, around the area, I mean, right near the property, we would, you know, go roaming through the woods and drink out of ourselves. After that, the only thing about the property was my grandfather or my grandparents, their house was on, it was pier and beam construction, so it had concrete blocks that would hold it off the ground about, you know, three feet.

It didn't have a, you know, a concrete slab. It had these concrete blocks and peer and beam construction. trucks and hold it up off the ground. Because Louisiana's real moist and, you know, houses would sink. They had a window on the back of the house that was at about 10 feet high. That was about one by two window. And that window filled me with such dreaded night because I just knew it was going to be standing there looking in at me.

As an adult, looking back on your situation of it coming up on you guys, What was your impression of what it was doing? That's tough to say. I mean, I kind of get the feeling it was saying, okay, you know, I could go with the move along, nothing to see here, beat it. I could go with, oh, hi, guys. Here, let me help you with, you know, let me help you out with your spinal column. Right. You know, I mean, it's, you know, it's either, okay, you know, okay, kids, go home or, oh, thanks for bringing, you know, thanks to bring in dinner.

You know, I don't really, I never really, I'm not one of those, you know, friendly forest giant types. And it's a, you know, I am more the, it's a wild animal. Yeah, it's, it's very interesting how it stopped when you turned around and hit it with the flashlight. Like it was coming, you wonder what would have happened if you didn't have a flashlight or if you guys hadn't turned around and hit it with the flashlight. How far up close would it have come? Yeah, that's a very good question. I kind of don't want to know what that might have been.

Because, you know, I definitely hitting it with the flashlight, I think, surprised it. Like, oh, you know, you can see me now, you know, one of those deals. Yeah, I really don't know. I kind of don't want to know what would have happened definitely because it probably wouldn't have been good for me. Probably one of the most fascinating parts about your story is firing off bottle rockets, probably every wild animal within 10 miles had probably headed for the hills as soon as you guys were firing off those bottle rockets.

But with these things, it doesn't loud bangs, gunfire, doesn't really seem to shake them up or make them run. Yeah, that, you know, that was, that was one thing, you know, that makes, like, people that I've told the story to, you know, that were like, oh, man, you know, there's no way something would have been there with all that stuff going on. You know, part of me could conceivably think that, you know, hey, it's, it's walking through the woods, it's hanging out. And then it sees like all these booms with big bright flashes and colors. And then there's the part where the kids are running around yelling and screaming and drawing lots of attention to themselves. There were four kids, five kids under the age of 15 running around in this area. Yeah.

You know, my brother, even though he's older than me, he's kind of small in stature. I mean, there's a million reasons, and, you know, since neither one of us, like you like to say, or studying one in our basement, we can't test it. We can't. What do you think of this big bright flash, sir? Yeah, and that's the interesting part is that, you know, any other wild animals going to bolt from the area and that the fact that this thing didn't run, and it really wasn't, like you said, you turn off flashlight, and it's kind of surprised.

I like your description of the hand. You know, every person that I've talked to that has had a really up-close encounter and has seen the hands, they describe them the same way like oven mitts or like a catcher's mitts, just huge when they see the hands. How did this affect you from seeing this at such a young age and then kind of growing into an adult? How did this affect you? Well, it's, you know, it's kind of hard to say. I mean, I was pretty young. I still, you know, I still on occasion have a nightmare.

I mean, I'm 46 years old. I'll be 46 this month. And I still on occasion will have a nightmare about it. You know, I have a good career. I'm, you know, I'm a professional person. I was in the military. You know, so I don't think it adversely affected me. But, you know, there is still the stigma.

like, you know, telling people, hey, this happened. I actually had a coworker try to use it against me because I told him about it, and then he tried to use it against me to make me look like, you know, look what he believes. You know, this guy believes in monsters, you know, at a company party. My boss goes, oh, you saw the lukaroo

and kind of shut him up. Yeah, I'd like to take that guy out to Texas with me. Yeah, me too. but he's, but he's kind of a deuce, so, you know. That's even better. Yeah, yes, yes, it would. That would be good. It's the whole thing, you know, you tell people and, you know, for a while, it's like, you know, no, seriously, there are these things and they're out there.

But did it keep me from, you know, I still go camping. I have a daughter when she was little, we would do a camp, you know, every, you know, every, you know, every, you know, every, summer we'd go camping. It didn't have keep me out of the woods forever. It kept me out of the woods for a while. I think mostly it's the believe me factor. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, no, I get that completely.

And it's hard, too, when you've experienced something, you're trying to tell the truth. You know, you're trying to really come forward and say, hey, I saw this, and then you get kind of like what your coworker to do. You get that from a lot of people. I understand it, but it's frustrating in the same sense. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I went to, in the state of Texas in San Antonio, the Natural History Museum, had a Bigfoot, like, exhibit, which I thought was, and this is like 2003. I went to it. I took my wife at the time to it, and she was a big naysair. I don't believe it. You know, I don't know what you saw, I don't know what you saw, but, and we walked through this whole exhibit. They had all kinds of artifacts.

They had old videos with crants and different people. They even had this replica of the Skukum cast. And at the end of the tour, they had a life-size cardboard cutout of a Sasquatch that's on your website with the two Sasquatches and the guy. They had one of those, and it was holding two buckets. And they'd give you a token as you went in. And the bucket was labeled, I believe, you know, I don't believe. So you would drop the coin in the bucket,

whichever you chose. And, of course, I put mine in the believe, because I certainly have seen. But it's amazing to me, after looking at all that evidence, that I don't believe bucket was so full. And that's, you know, and like I've always said,

you know, until one's dead on the table, we can talk about all the things we want under the sun, but until one shot and brought in, you know, and I hate to say I promote shooting one, but I kind of do promote shooting one. I mean, and that sounds very cruel, and I know a lot of people don't like to hear that, but at the end of the day, that's what needs to be done. It has to be, and I think it has to be done once and brought out publicly, and then after that, I don't know about shooting them after that,

but it needs to be done once. Yeah, I am pro-kill for the lack, you know, for the, you know, for the, purpose of proving. I'm also pro-kill in the interest of preserving your life, definitely. I think that until one is brought in and there's a body on the table that's, you know, not a costume stuff with, you know, deer guts, I mean, an actual specimen. And people still scoff at it. But they will, you know, say, okay, there's, okay, they exist. And I, you know what, though, I think that a lot of People would be like in this day and age, okay, they exist. Big deal.

You know, gorillas exist too. And you're right. That's something that Mark Zaski brought up. And I didn't really hit me until he was saying that. You know, more people care about what Kim Kardashian is wearing rather than monsters in the woods. And I think you're right. I mean, I really do. I think it would be, it would come out.

The only downside to that of it coming out, I think a lot of other questions would come out. that someone would have to answer. You know, for example, when you talk to a lot of native people, or you talk to some researchers, or you talk to people that investigate missing people, a lot of them will tell you kind of the same thing that these things snag kids, and they'll snack women and children,

and sometimes men. I know down in Oklahoma, some different tribes they'll talk about these things, eating people. And, you know, as I was listening to your encounter, I was thinking about that missing boy, I just posted it up on the blog about the missing toddler in Idaho, how he just vanished.

You know, he's got his grandfather there, he's got his mom and dad there, they're in the middle of nowhere, and he just vanishes. And now they're saying, well, maybe a wild animal got him. Well, even a toddler is going to scream out, it's going to cry out bloody murder

if a cougar gets him or, you know, there's going to be a mess somewhere of these animals, you know, any wild animal getting them. except for Sasquatch. I can pick it up, take off running with it. And I think that goes on. You know, in your situation, why the hell is it walking up on you guys?

And you guys are shooting off bottle rockets, and it isn't until you put the light on it. You know what I mean? It just stuff like that I think goes on, and not every situation, but I think in some situations, that does go on where people do come up missing. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. I've read the 411 books and, you know, how you can look at some of the accounts, you know, and especially the older accounts, you know, the Native American accounts, there's a Chalkta, Indian Choktau reservation in East Texas. And I remember going there as a kid because my dad, you know, took us there. They had a replica of their, you know, a settlement because the Chalktaxas. Nation was considered one of the, I think, the five civilized tribes. They called themselves the five civilized tribes of the Native American culture.

They had like 15-foot wooden post, you know, tree walls. It had walls around it. And the entrance was a narrow, you know, a long, skinny, narrow, basically, hallway that one person could walk through and getting a horse through there, be a challenge. If you had a fat horse, he's not getting in there. But I just, you know, looking back, I thought, you know, I think, why, you know, well, first of all,

didn't know that they actually built fortified installations. And before, you know, the white man came, what do you, you guys control this whole area? What are you fortifying it against? Yeah, and it makes you wonder, you know, when you talk to a lot of the different tribes like here in Washington State, and I've talked to some of the chalk, members down there in Oklahoma. But the ones here in Washington State,

when I talked with him... Yeah, I remember you talking about it on one of the shows. Yeah, they were just, you know, stay away from Mount St. Helens, stay away from this area because these things are in there. And, you know, it's interesting when you talk to a lot of these tribal members, if you ask them, they'll tell you. Most people say they won't talk to the white man, but I really haven't found that to be the case.

Most Native people, if you ask them, they'll tell you why they're... they did certain things in different areas, and they'll tell you a lot of stuff about the creatures on the reservations and stuff they've run into. But you're right, why are they fortifying? You know, that whole area was Choctaw area.

Why are they fortifying? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. The whole subject is, you know, it's fascinating to me, especially, you know, coming from the, you know, like you,

you know, it's not a faith-based. I know they're out there kind of hippie thing. It's you know because you've seen. I know because I've seen. Now what I saw might not be the exact, you know, it might be the southern breed of what roams around Mount St. Helens. You know, or it could be, there could be four types.

Who knows, like has been discussed. Early 1900s, late 1800s, people were more apt to say, Oh, yeah, those, yeah, there are these weird, you know, crazy, you know, wild men. You just got to watch out for them. Unlike now, where it's like, no, that's not real. Yeah, it's become a joke. Yeah, no, no, that's not real. Come on.

You know, whereas 100 years ago, it's like, oh, yeah, you know. Yeah, they'd put it on the front page of the paper about the wild man. Another encounter with the wild man. Yeah, well, the wild man was seen again, you know. Yeah, so I think it's kind of interesting. plus I don't think I don't know like do you think Wes that if

somebody hit one with their car let's say that it would just disappear or do you think it's you know the local police would be like oh hey everybody you know the local news get the local news down here check out what we you know

or is this just going to be one of those swept under the rugs thing I think it would guess I think that's happened I really do I think that's happened probably a few times and the shooting of them that's happened a few times. I've talked to people that have shot them.

People that have actually talked to people that have hit them with their cars or you know have seen, I had one lady on that they were describing this wreck truck and several state troopers there and would look like a gorilla laying on the side of the road.

So I think that has already happened several times over. I think it gets swept under the rug. You know, one of the other things I posted on the blog I think it was last week It was the Pennsylvania A 911 call Where the guy said he shot one

All the cops are They're laughing And what's interesting about that case Because I think this guy actually shot a bear But what's interesting about that case Is He said I have a body All the radio chatter

Stopped on the police chatter All of it stopped on the radio Then there was a helicopter A military helicopter Immediately flew out to the area and was scanning, basically mowing the, I guess what they call moat, you know, when you go back and forth, back, just mow in the area. Yeah, search pattern. He said, just complete search pattern.

Now, why are they sending a military helicopter? Why is that immediately sent out, out to the area where this guy says he shot a big foot? You know, when he's saying, hey, I shot it, it's a big joke. They're laughing about it. How much has this guy been drinking? You can hear the cops snicker back and forth. And then he says, I have the body. everything gets really serious really quick

so I think it has happened and I think that I think it would get swept into the rug you'd have to be kind of tricky on how you brought one in oh yeah the um the um the the guy on the

on the lead in to the show who you know calls 911 because he has a prowler and then it steps into the light and he can see it and he's like holy you know get somebody out here, you know, and you can tell the old guy fights to keep his composure,

and the 911 operator's like, what's going on now? He's, you know, he's describing what he's looking at, and, you know, you read the story online, and he doesn't want to say, there's a Bigfoot or a Sasquatch outside my house, and I'm looking at it. He's like, it's a big person. Right. I would, it will, supposedly the cops responded to that.

they actually came out. There was an officer who responded to that. You know, you don't get the rest of the, well, what happened? You know, what did the cop see? Did he show, you know, when he showed up, what did he do? What did he, you know, I mean, we've had, you know, on your show, you've had the law enforcement guys that are like, yeah, you know, with the old couple, you know, they tried to grab me off the porch.

The 911 call with that guy, I know Ron Moore had. knows him. And the guy really wants nothing to do with Bigfoot, wants nothing to do with this topic. And he did see a Sasquatch, but he didn't want to come out and say, I saw Sasquatch because he didn't think the cops would come out to

help him. You know, so it's a fascinating topic. It'll be nice when this comes out and we'll all be vindicated. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know what you mean. Well, I can't thank you enough for coming on the show, Brian, and

sharing your encounter, and I really do appreciate it. Hey, you're welcome, Wes. I, you know, I think you're doing a great thing. You know, it's kind of like Sasquatch Anonymous. You know, hi, I'm Brian, and I had a Sasquatch encounter. Yeah. You know, it's therapeutic for a lot of people. And the fact that, you know, it's not a clown show.

You don't approach it. You approach it very seriously. You know, it's fun. You know, your show's fun. It's entertaining. But it gives people a chance to get it off their chest in a, for lack of a better word, safe place. Because they know you're not going to be like, well, unless they come on and say, you know, well, I'm, you know, I mind spoke with the thing before it, you know, interdimensionally jump to, you know, Alpha Centauri. Yeah.

No, and you're right. I mean, that's even, well, I had a little thought. fun with Ray the Space Man, but... That was great. Even some of those stranger encounters, I've been wondering about... There's one I was thinking about having on...

The guy has a very, very interesting video, but I honestly think what he is experiencing is something more on the demonic side. Yeah. And a lot of people don't like to hear that, but what other wild animals

can talk to you through telepathy, the answer is none. Okay, well, what people can talk to you through telepathy? The answer is none. Well, what other entity that you've heard about can talk to you via telepathy? And in a lot of polterized encounters, a lot of demonic encounters, you'll hear that sort of behavior. And so, I mean, I really think a lot of these people are experiencing something, but I don't think it's Sasquatch-related. Yeah, my, just one quick thing, my daughter, she's in her 20s, early 20, and she works as, was working as a sitter for the hospital for terminally ill patients. And just to make sure they don't get up and wander off. And she's seen people start talking to Jesus, like they're having a conversation.

I mean, there's no one in the room and there, you know, there was a lady, yes, yes Jesus, thank you. You know, tell my mama I'll be there soon. And the next day, she's screaming at the devil. Get out of here, devil. I don't want to talk to. I mean, like, like you're having an argument with someone in the room and there's no one there. And, you know, the first time she saw it was kind of unnerving.

And she talked to one of the nurses. They said, oh, yeah, well, you know, I hate it when they start doing that because it means they're going to die soon. Yeah. And that was the nurse. And so she didn't work that job very long. I don't blame her. Because it was a little disconcerting to be sure. But like we had discussed before, I'm sure there are many, many things in reality that we are not aware of.

Yeah. Oh, I'm sure there is. And Sasquatch just happens to be one that not everybody's aware of, but it's a flesh and blood creature. You know, it's a damn dirty ape, like you say. You know, it's kind of grabby at times, you know, especially to young people. So I would prefer it to stay on its side of the fence, so to speak. Right. Well, thanks again, Brian. I appreciate it, ma'am.

Thank you, Wes. I appreciate it too, man. You're doing a great job. And that's it for tonight, everyone. If you get a chance, please visit Sasquatchronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone, have a great weekend. Being across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote. I'm Tom Martin and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports handicapper

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