Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:137 After Hours Conversation

Episode Date: August 17, 2015

Tonight is an after hours conversation with a Joe who is a listener to the show. Tomorrow night Woody and I interview Brandon who has a lot of activity on and around his property. Tonight we speak to Joe who brought a great topic up about Sasquatch origins. Sit back and relax as the three of us have a conversation about Sasquatch.

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Got an interesting show planned for you. I want to welcome Joe to the show. Joe, thanks for being here. Hi. Thanks for having me, Wes. And I also want to welcome back Woody, my brother Woody. Woody, welcome back to the show, ma'am.

Yeah, thank you. It's good to be back. And if you would, Joe, go ahead and kind of give us a rundown. Now, you sent me a... Ah, that's that guy. Dang it. Sorry, guys. I'm sorry.

You're fired. Maybe we needed a new host to take this over, or is... I mean, that's kind of a rookie move, dude. Yeah. You know what? You know what I can figure out? Before you start this shit again, I can't... What I can't figure out is, why the hell aren't you doing a TV show by now?

Well, it's in the works. I mean, you know, I'm sitting here. I've been thinking about this for a long time. I'm getting this off my chest. this show for a minute. Just listen to me for second. I'm like, I've been thinking about this and I'm like, the guy, everybody knows who you are. They got this Finding Bigfoot, which is the silliest, stupidest fucking show. And then the Mountain Man, that was on the other night. I almost pissed myself watching that. Those goofballs running around in the woods. I mean, you know, this Finding Bigfoot

thing, I'm thinking, it's not going to last much longer. People are starting to get tired of that. You know, people really love to hear the interviews. I mean, that's what they want. here. And I could just picture you once a week sitting in a chair interviewing two guests and me or Woody is your co-host and doing the interviews. You know what I mean? It's sitting there talking about it. It would go through the roof. The ratings would be phenomenal. I can't believe that nothing's happened. You're trying this or what? You've got something good. You fucker. You're laughing. You got something going, don't you? You bitch. not saying shit.

Yeah, no, I got a couple things in the works. It's in the works. I mean, it's not, I want it to be something I want it to be. It'd be something I'd want to create. I don't want to do some silly. No, I want it to be something. I would want to produce it. I'd want to be like an executive producer on there,

and I'd want it to be something great. And there's been a few opportunities for that. and there's a few in the works. I was just contacted by, I almost say the name of the company, but I was contacted by another company that is interested in it. It's just trying to lay out the format right.

I want everything to look right. And I suppose I shouldn't be too much of a perfectionist, but I just want it done right. Right. Well, you know, it would be great. I mean, the ratings, it's a great opportunity for you.

I mean, it's a once-in-a-lifetime chance for you. I mean, you're in a perfect position here. You got people love you. I mean, you've got people, Buffalo thinking you're the most caring, loving guy in the world, but I know the truth. Right? We know the truth. Yeah, I think I know more well than anybody. But no, I think, you know, it'd be a really great thing, and I know from talking to West, it's been talked about in the past.

But I think it needs to be done the way that he wants it done. Right. And, you know, for it to be successful. And I think that's kind of, uh, well. he's working on really yeah you know what happens is these producers and you can see it with the other shows they want to take this angle and it winds up being this silly little show and i see where you're coming from from if you want it done like the like you're doing everything so far it's it's it's going to be far from silly you know and that's the angle you need to take it it it would be

fantastic i hope it all works out for you man you deserve it really i appreciate it i appreciate it all right no problem all right bub can i go ahead and start the show now Get ahead. Anything else? Anything you want to get off your chest? Not really. I mean, I could use a rum and coke. What time is it?

10.30? Yeah. 5.4.3.3.2. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle. And there wasn't a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in his eyes.

His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given him. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 60 foot nine. I don't know. You see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

Uh-uh. A place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. To the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got an interesting show for you planned tonight. This is going to be a two-part show, and you might have heard it right before the show began, Joe myself and Woody talking.

Joe's actually a listener of the show and a member on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. He's been posting a lot of great stuff to the forums. And if you go to Sasquash Chronicles.com, you can check it out. And Joe came to me and said, hey, it'd be kind of cool to do a show. You know, not everyone has an encounter. And a lot of people want to have a voice and want to come forward and talk. and so I thought this would be a great opportunity to try out having a listener on the show and have a conversation regarding the topic they want to talk about.

And Joe was talking about Sasquatch origins, and are they human, are they ape? And so I welcome Joe to the show to talk about this. Joe, you actually had a lot of responses on the forum, didn't you? Oh, my God. Yeah, there's just so many things I had. Well, when I started to thread on the forum originally, I wanted to get some opinions on, you know, what people thought the origin of the creature was. You know, it's always been a big curiosity for me, you know, wondering how much like us, you know, that they are really.

And so what I did is I started to, I started this threat and people came on and they started giving me a bunch of, a bunch of answers. And I'll tell you what, it's just the response has been phenomenal. I had this guy come on, this Jay Carlson, and by the way, thanks, Jay, for all your input. It's been great. He reminded me of a video by Lloyd Pye, and it's everything you know is wrong. And by the way, I highly recommend watching that. That puts a whole new twist on the origin question, too. It's a phenomenal video.

But anyway, Pye was talking about. when humans begins, when they began speaking, and he had mentioned how apes don't have vocal tracks and they can't move freely enough, they don't have the necessary coordination in their larynx muscles to allow them to, you know, modulate or make words. So it just, so people started to, people started to respond, you know, it gave me an idea to come on and say, well, then, you know, I wondered which ones, spoke, did they, all of the different species, are they able to make sound or only the ones that look like apes able to make sound or, you know, just so many questions popped up and I just had so many answers and they were really good, you know, it just, it led from one topic to the other. And it's, you know, I originally, I wanted to do it just to kind of, I wanted to really help

other people out and kind of help, you know, baby people that were new and maybe to help educate people and I found out pretty quickly that I was the one getting the education, you know? Yeah, so the basic question is, are they ape or are they human? Is that kind of the general theme of them? Yeah, that's, yeah, that's actually, that's how it started. That's how it started out, you know, it started out. That's, well, that was my curiosity. Are they more ape or are they more human? And it just kind of, the whole thing just exploded from there. What do you think, Woody? You think they're more ape? You think they're more, I think Woody, you're more on the paranormal fence, aren't you? You and I've had several conversations about it. You know, from our experience and what I've seen personally, I have a hard time believing that they're actually not so much ape nor human.

I'm not sure what they are, to be honest with you. And, you know, you start saying the paranormal word sometimes and people start getting all, you know, you get a lot of backlash from that. And everybody has their own opinion. But, you know, from what I saw that, you know, from our experience and what I've seen, the way that the creatures move, the way they reacted, just the way their head tilts. And the speed is what really got me. And the ability, the agility, you know, from jumping and running and stuff like that.

I'm still not sure. And, you know, that's why I'm still involved today. And I'm always open to everybody's opinion. I'm always taking everything with a grain of salt. I'm not quite sure. Well, we don't talk about paranormal on the show. So what are you fired again? I'm sorry to let you go.

Oh, geez. You know, I've been fired like five times now, I think, five, six times. I'm going to start billing you for unemployment, brother. Yeah. No, it's an interesting topic. And, I mean, I know you've always kind of felt that way about these things. But I think the more that I've interviewed people, the more, I think there's a couple things going on. And I don't mean to get too far off topic on this,

but I think there's a couple things going on out there. I definitely think they're flesh and blood. It's a flush and blood, non-human primate. However, I think there is some strange, weird things that go on out in the forest. I think there's some odd people talk about different experiences,

and people who are sincere and talk about things they've seen and things they've experienced, I believe them. I just don't think it's Sasquatch related. I really don't. There's a lot of things, you know, like, I can give you a million examples, but the point is I think that there's two separate things going on out there in the forest. But after interviewing so many people and talking to so many different witnesses, I just see too much animal-like behavior. And for me, I get lost when people start saying they're human because they act very much wild-like, like a wild animal.

Their behavior is very much. I'm with you. I'm with you on that. You know, after I went back in the, when I was in the forum, somebody had come on there and had reminded me about one of the guests that you had on episode 119 with the guy that said that he thought a gorilla had escaped from the woods. And he came on and explained how he saw the thing, you know, knocking on the trees and then he knocked a tree over and pulled a raccoon out and started ripping it apart and eating it. I mean, to me, there's nothing paranormal about that. that, you know, it's a flesh and blood animal. But like you said, I'm, I'm with you, Woody. I mean, some of these things that happen, though, there's so many times you hear people seeing different things. Like, I was reading something the other day that Dave Politis said on his website, I was reading a quote from him, and he had that, he had Ron Moorhead, was mentioning Ron

Moorhead, and he's, you know, he's the guy who did the Sierra sounds. and that samurai chatter back in the 70s. And I remember him saying, Morehead said that he had described seeing a bunch of orbs before that chatter started. He saw all these orbs and lights flying around. And I've heard that. It seems like too many times to ignore it.

But I don't know what to make of it. Yeah, well, I mean, that definitely has to be addressed. I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen any orbs or any of that type of thing. But, you know, there's so many instances, you know, from interviews that Wes has done and that I've done and that everybody's heard that comes along with seeing Sasquatchers, there's orbs, and then it definitely can't be discounted. So, paranormal, I don't know, you know. Yeah. I don't know either.

You know, you have to think about, you know, the way, when you guys, what you had seen and I don't, you know, the way you described how they moved, I could see how you could easily. fall into maybe something not animal. The way, I remember, I remember, Wes, you had said that that one jumped across the road, it looked like it was on a trampoline. I mean, that's just not normal movement. You know, and how that one dropped down like a spider. I mean, that's just, it's incredible. I mean, that doesn't sound like anything normal animal movement to me, you know,

so I could see how you could easily fall into that paranormal side of it. Well, the other thing, too, with the human side of it, the debate between a non-human primate and a human. I've talked about this before, but on the East Coast, people describe the face as very human-like. They describe it very much like a human, except for on a larger scale. But they'll say the body's covered in hair and it was built like a gorilla, but the face looked very much human. You get down south and they talk about it looking more like a chimpanzee.

And up here in the Pacific Northwest, and again, I'm speaking in general terms here. in the Pacific Northwest, people describe more of an apish-type look to the face. Kind of human, but more of an apish look to the face. But I've come to understand after interviewing so many people, why a lot of people think that these things are human, especially if you see something. You know, the show I did on Thursday, I don't know if you heard it yet or not, Joe. I know Woody doesn't listen to the show, but on Thursday,

I talked, the show was, be careful what you wish for. And I talked to a researcher. And he was within 20 feet of this thing. And he was not prepared for what he saw. And he said, the face very much was human-like. Very much human-like. Yeah, I did hear that. Yeah, I heard that.

And that was an incredibly close-up encounter. Yeah, it was amazing. I want to ask guys about this. And then we can come back to this topic. the call I got earlier was from this guy. He says, My family and I have been terrorized in our home for a few years, thinking it was a person trespassing on a regular basis.

We experienced everything from beating on the windows, hard thumping on the walls, messing with the doors, and even coming up to the windows growling at us. We have dealt with this with our daughter, coming in our room in the middle of the night in a frantic, telling us that the shadow people were coming up, coming up to her window and trying to talk to her.

I mean, that sounds more like a primate. That sounds more like a pissed off primate that you're in a territory. It's going to bang on the house. It's going to coming up to the windows. I would say the bulk of this behavior really is like a non-human primate, except for the mention of coming up to the windows and trying to talk to her. And I know, Woody, you know the cowman story. I think you know it, don't you, Joe, the cowman story?

Yeah, where the little boy says it came up to the windows and they were making faces at each other. So I mean, when you look at a non-human primate, like an ape or a chimpanzee, as opposed to human, there's a lot of similarities. I mean, there's a lot of human-like behavior in non-human primates. There's a lot of things, like Cocoa the Gorilla, for example. When Cocoa the gorilla was, I don't want to say in captivity, but basically in captivity, and they were teaching her teaching Coco's sign language and they were teaching her how to communicate back and forth through sign, this gorilla not only learned sign, but it also came up with its own words. And it came up with responses to, like there was an example one time where Coco was trying

to escape out the window and they caught it escaping out the window. It actually opened the window and was trying to get out and break free. And they asked Coco, what are you doing? and Coco had signed that the cat had done it. The cat had opened the window. And then they were given the gorilla a hard time saying, no, you open the window. What were you doing? And Coco signed back, I was going out for a smoke.

Because she had been watching humans going outside to have a smoke. So she had actually signed back, I'm going out for a smoke. And so, I mean, and that's very human-like behavior. And I think it's lost with Sasquatch. I think people see certain things. think that's very human-like behavior, which it is. But in my mind, it doesn't make them human. Yeah, it makes me wonder, you know, whether or not they are, in fact, more human than they are ape.

And it has me believing that, in fact, I think they are more human. And I say that because, you know, apes cannot form words. You know, zoologists have been trying it for years to make apes actually. speak the words and they can't do it. You know, they'll do sign language and all that. But then you hear these stories about people that have had these habituation circumstances behind their house where a man's outside and he's yelling for sparky, sparky, and he gets ready to walk in the house and he hears somebody from the woods yelling,

sparky, sparky, sparky. I think that would freak me out. You know, it makes you wonder if they can actually form those words and say those words, there has to be more to it. than just an ape, you know? You're hitting it right nail on the head. I'm not so sure that sometimes that we're talking about two different things

as far as, you know, a primate, you know, I saw on Facebook the other day, there was a pregnant, I mean, maybe you guys have seen this, there was this pregnant woman that was like at the fair, or not the fair, but like at some zoo or something like that. And they had an ape that was in captivity.

And there was this big glass window. And, you know, she was probably six, seven months along being pregnant. And it was real funny because the ape walked up to her. And she knew instantly. She was a female ape. And she knew that she was pregnant. She kept pointing at the belly trying to rub the belly through the glass. And there's, you know, there is, they do show this certain emotions or this human

characteristics of, you know, well, yeah, somebody's pregnant. You know, they're beautiful. You're rubbing the belly. and you realize that and you acknowledge that. And it was a very loving thing that I saw on this. In fact, it was on Facebook somewhere when I saw it. It was a very loving thing. But then I'm not so sure that we're trying to categorize two different things as the same.

You know, I mean, there's, I think maybe there's some very weird things going on in the forest. And I hate to use the word demonic. You know, I don't know if that's the word to use. but there are some very weird things and orbs, and we talk about these creatures that are abducting people, and they disappear, and no traces to be found, people knocking on tents, tearing people's tents down,

pushing people's trailers over. And then we see this same type of some sort of creature that seems to be related to that, that is acknowledging love and companionship and wants to, be around a baby from a pregnant woman. So I feel like that maybe we're talking about two different types of things. And that's, I guess that's where I kind of go into my, that's when I get fired from West is when

I go up with the paranormal thing is because I feel like that there are two different entities. And, you know, there was no orbs along with the serenitangetang that was trying to rub the pregnant lady's belly in the glass. I didn't see any orbs on that. Right. Right. Well, you know, my- And that's what I'm trying to say. That's where I'm going with that. My thought on that is that these things live in the wild. They're not, they haven't been, they haven't been civilized.

They haven't been taught or don't know how to do anything other than live like an animal. And they do everything, just about everything, a wild animal does. I mean, you know, how they catch their food, how they eat. I'm sure when one has a baby, I'm sure that it doesn't have, you know, somebody next, is another one next to it, helping it out and rubbing its head. And I'm sure that, you know, it's probably a very primitive thing. But I mean, and then, but yet they have the ability to be compassionate. And I'm sure that they show that with their own young, just like other animals would do.

Only the difference is we find them doing it much more. like we do because they are so much more like us than say, you know, a bear or a deer or something like that, you know, but I still believe they're very much are like an animal. I mean, they, you know, in every way. They live in the wild. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, that's, that's a valid point. And I can't discredit that. I just, you know, from what I, from a lot of the videos and things I've seen, you know, we talk about it being an ape close to a human. Well, that's a lot of that comes with human characteristics and i guess based on what i saw the night that west and i were out there was no human really characteristics about it so it's just hard

it's hard to you know you just base something off of what you're you know you're what you're what you've seen personally right i don't know man i'm still kind of up in the air joe i don't i you know i don't really have an answer a definite answer for anybody and i don't think anybody really knows for sure yet myself what do you guys think of the uh melba catchum Can I tell you a story real quick about Melba? And I know Woody, you got the same story. But I sent Melba a really, really nice message. And I know she gets beat up a lot.

And, you know, I'm never going to welcome someone to the show and then just beat them up verbally when they get on. Just tear them apart. Even Melba or anyone else is controversial. I'm just not going to rip them apart. But I was really nice to Melba. I said, hey, would you be willing to come on the show? I said, one of the things,

but I get lost on your DNA study. I said, you know, I've tried to read through some of it, and I know just enough to be dangerous, but by page two, page three, I'm lost on what you're talking about. And she sent me back a message saying that she doesn't do podcast, she only does AM FM radio. And she was nice about it.

I don't want to sound like she wasn't nice about it, but she was really nice about it. She didn't really say why or anything like that. And that's kind of frustrating, you know, because I can guarantee there's probably more people listening to this podcast on this topic than any AMFM radio show that she goes and does. And, you know, I think my original idea was I think listeners would, you know, the whole point of it was I wanted her to dumb down the study. Explain the study, explain it to the dumbest guy in the room. being that I'm the dumbest guy in the room, help me understand the study, walk me through. And it wasn't going to be, like I said, it wasn't going to be an attack, it wasn't going to put her on the defense.

I really just wanted to have a conversation. And she declined, and that's okay. I know, Joe, in one of your, in your forum post, you talked a little bit about Melba Kacham. You know, to me, I think she's just done a phenomenal job, that woman. And I believe, you know, to me, it just seems like, and like I said in the forum, it just seems to me like she's just spent too much time and too much effort, five years of this, to be lying or perpetrating some type of hoax. You know, she did her study. She put the results out there. And, you know, I'm with you.

I've read this study, and by page two, I'm ready to go into a coma. I can't even, I don't understand it. And, you know, it was a good idea for you to do that. I think, and I agree with you 100%. I think she should come on and at least explain it in layman's terms so the average person can understand what the results are. Because we could read it all day long and not have a clue what they are. Yeah, I think that with Melba, I won't say that she's done a phenomenal job. I think there's been a lot of mistakes in her science.

The problem that I saw with Melba, and this is something I would say to her on the air, the problem that I see with Melba, if she ever gets cornered with questioning, she starts talking about her beliefs as opposed to, well, here, let me explain this to you real quick. Here's the data. Here's how I came up with this. Here is A, B, and C, and here's why I've come to this conclusion. whenever she gets pinned into a corner, while they're human and that would be murder.

Well, why do you say that? When they're talking about killing one, well, that would be murder. They're human. Well, why do you say that, Melba? And she doesn't really ever explain how she came up with that. You know what I, and maybe I just haven't, I feel like I've seen a lot of videos on Melba,

but I feel like she never really, she does these TV interviews where there's a lot of gotcha moments with her. And I can see it. And you can see in her body, language to where she's going into defense mode, and she doesn't want to, she immediately goes in the attack. And that's not really a conversation I wanted to. I mean, that's not the type of conversation I wanted to have with her. I didn't want her to feel like I pinned her into a corner. I just want her to explain it. And I think the study has been flawed. And it's really

easy to take shots at Melba. I know all the other shows do. All the Bigfoot researchers take shots at her, but I thought it would be interesting to have her on and just have her explain her study. Have her explain why does she think they're human? You know, saying that on the females, you know, through the genome on the female side, it's human. On the other side, it's, we don't know. That doesn't really explain anything. Right. It's, it's, it's tough, you know. I don't, you know, I don't know where she's flawed her, you know, her study. or anything. I mean, from what I saw, from

just the basic study she did, it seems like she just she put the results out there from what she got, gave it to these other groups, and nobody just responded to it. Nobody wanted to acknowledge it. And I don't think it's because

I think a lot of it, believe it or not, in my personal opinion, I think a lot of its pressure from the government. I think the government has a lot to do with why these things aren't being exposed to the public why they haven't been found out they're suppressing it and i mean that's another topic i mean i could go into that for hours but you know these they don't want to respond i'm sure they've been pressured look you know we don't want these things recognized don't answer it

just let her she'll just after a while it'll just die out and i think she just gets you know she's getting it from all angles if if they could just come out and say yeah we see your study we see what it is. I mean, the results are the results. Whatever she has on that paper are the results. That's what they are. You know, I don't think she put up there anything false. If there was a flaw, maybe she made a mistake or something, but I don't, I personally don't think that she did anything purposely to manipulate the study at all, the results of it anyway. But that's just my opinion. Yeah, but in the same breath, she doesn't do a good job explaining herself. You know, like I joke on the show. damn dirty apes. Well, why do I think they're damn dirty apes? And I can give you,

I can give you several reasons why I think they're damn dirty apes. Most of it is based off of their descriptions, off of eyewitness testimonies. They're built like non-human primates. They're very much built like gorillas. They're very much built like chimpanzees. They act like gorillas. They act like chimpanzees. You know, I was thinking of the hunter had on the show where he was attacked by one. And one thing he said, it came out screaming and shaking bushes with its hands, like it was throwing a fit. I've seen a gorilla do that exact same thing come out, shaking bushes and vocalizing. And I've seen chimpanzees do the same thing. And so at the same time, though, I've seen my wife's done that when I've come in too late on a Friday night.

Shaking the walls and banging and, you know, so that happens here too. But go ahead. I'm sorry. I think, you know, I think of what it comes down to with Melba is, you know, how can I put this? You know, let's imagine Melba as a professional boxer. Once you've stepped in the ring so many times and you've had your ass kicked, why would you come back and step in the ring again?

And that's probably where she's at with you with as far as, as far as the interview, she probably feels like she's going to come in and just get drilled. And I know that you've made that perfectly. clear to her that, you know, that's not where we're going to do. That's not what we're going to do. But I don't believe, and I'm not the smartest guy either. And I feel like if she could break it down into layman's terms, you know, maybe I would have a better time understanding that. But she's just under the assumption of here's data and she thinks we all speak Hebrew and we can understand what she's talking about. And I think that's where it's at. She's just afraid of being beat up.

She's probably tired of it. well put. Yeah, but anyone that listens to the show knows I don't beat people up. I mean, how many times have you guys heard me beat people up? I had Ray the Spaceman on, and he had some crazy, crazy ideas, in my mind, crazy ideas. And I see how they're perfectly normal to me. Well, yeah, I'm sure he did. But he, you know, and I know Ray's out there probably listening. The guy likes the show, so thanks Ray for you for listening. And the funny part is Ray wasn't, he was okay with the show. You really didn't think we were beating him up. But I mean, for God's sakes, if I was going to beat someone up on the show, you think it would have been him and I didn't do it. You know, I sat and listened to everything he had to say

with Melba, it would be the same thing, but I don't want to turn this into a Melba show. No, no, I'll study that. On a side note, I saw, it's kind of nice going off topic a little bit, but on a side note, I saw straight out of Compton. Great movie, by the way. Nice.

A little ice cube. the action. Hey, you know that was I believe that was his son actually playing Ice Cube. That was. Yeah, I heard it was so close to what he, what, you know, what Cube was back in the day. I'm going to have to go see it. I got to see it. It was good. Yeah, I didn't

say it. Yeah, Ice Cube. His son did a great job. The guy that played Dre did a great job. The guy that played EasyE freaking nailed it. All around. Awesome, awesome movie. And it's funny, too because, well, I took my son to go see it. I know my son's under, you know, he likes rap

music, he likes Ice Cube, he likes Dr. Dre. He's got his beats. But I think a lot of, you know, unless you grew up in that era, it's hard to appreciate that movie unless you grew up in that era. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But I didn't mean to get off topic.

No, I love it. I'm going to go see it. Somebody went and saw it without me. Didn't even invite me. I invited you. He didn't invite you? I'm just joking. You were at the bar drinking, so you didn't have time to go. Did we have to announce that to everybody? He was home feeding babies.

Yeah, he's probably home. I think he was home with his baby. What did some of the members say? Do you want to give some of the members shout out? What did they say on the topic? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they, yeah, I'll tell you what. Some of the people were terrific.

They had some great responses. And I got a funny one here. There are two people that I listened to, Diana M. and another one is Nabi, who's great, and Jay, Jay Carlson's great, and Shannon, Shannon's always on there speaking all the time. There's a small group that's on there constant, and they're terrific. And the one day, I was listening to Diana M. and Nabi, and they're having a conversation. And I'm just, you know, they don't know them there. I'm just following along, trying to figure it all out.

and I hear Nabi is saying something about DNA and the body hair and how it's related to the placement of the hyoid bone. I'm like, okay, yeah, right, the hyoid bone. What the heck is that, right? So I'm like, all right, well, I figured Diana's going to answer him and she's going to ask him what the hyoid bone is. So I'm waiting for her to come back so I know what the hyoid bone is. It's in the throat, isn't it? I have, is that where it is? Yeah, I think it's.

Yeah, I guess so. So she comes back a couple minutes later, and this is what she says. It's funny. I had to write this down. I'm like, okay, here's the answer. I'm going to get it now. This is what she wrote. This was part of the answer.

The major muscle attached to the mastoid process or the distal portion of temporal is the sternocletio mastoid, aka SCM, in humans at the distal end and the medial portion attaches to the sternum or the lateral portion to the medial end of the clavicle. And I'm like, why didn't she just say so in the first place? They're the kind of answers you get. I'm like, oh, my goodness. These people are way out of my league. Yeah, it's actually the, it's right, that bone they're talking about is in your throat.

And it's the, as you go up your neck to your jaw. That's right where that, that bone sits. Maybe I'm not the dumbest guy in the room. Did we switch over? Are we on the Dr. Oz show? Are you still there, Wes? Did we get over? Oh, my God.

I'll tell you, it's interesting, though. You know, everybody's got a, everybody's got something to say, and some of the things I found out that I got more of an education than I did helping people out with any. anything they wanted to know, that's for sure. There's, uh, I didn't realize there was so many people out there that knew so much. And, and, and about the DNA and, and about the whole evolution of, of man. And I'm just, it's way beyond me, way over this farm boy's head.

I'll tell you that. I'll tell you, the forum is, the forum is, is great. Well, I'm thinking about it. I'll tell you, people out there that, that aren't members, and I'm not just saying this, there is, there is, I wish I had done it sooner because there is so much you can learn from joining the website. You know, I used to sit every Sunday and I'd wait for the show. The show comes on and I'm like, okay, I'll go on the website, look around a little bit. I can find maybe another story or two and then I've got to wait until next week.

Then I said, well, let me join. And I joined. It was the best thing I ever did because there's so much more content you get by becoming a member. It's inexpensive. and especially to go on the forum. If there's anything you want to know, all you have to do is go up there, type it in,

and you will have more answers than you'll want to have. And it's a fantastic way to get an education. And I can't say enough about it. I'm glad you brought it back, Wes. I really am. It's one of the best things you've got going on that website,

without a doubt. I appreciate it. Yeah, just trying to keep the trolls off of the site. I think I have enough admins and I have enough members, looking out now to where, you know, there's a lot of websites out there to where you can go and say whatever you want to say and no one really cares. And they're just kind of, I don't say it's junk, but, you know, I don't want to go to a website

and read people attacking each other left and right, you know. Yeah, well, I want to tell you, I'll tell you something right now. This is something else that I learned is every once in a great while, you'll hear somebody come on and say something, not nasty, but, you know, a little derogatory like, I had somebody had responded to something I said, and a couple people jumped right up and said, whoa, wait a minute. Joe didn't mean that. He was, you know, he's just wanting to know about this and that.

And I will tell you, people will jump up immediately and say, hang on, pal. This is a nice website. We're just, you know, a nice forum. We're just talking here. And so you have enough, you have enough people out there policing it that it's fine. You know, there's very, very minimal derogatory comments made. It's great. People have to do it.

Yeah, I wanted to bring the forums back, you know, for everyone else. Not so much. It's a cool place to go in and just talk to people. It's a cool place, like you said, to post something, get a response back and have a civil conversation. Like with us, you know, I don't, even with Woody, Woody thinks it's more on the paranormal side. And I completely disagree with him. on this, but we can sit and have a conversation without, you know, attacking each other. And that's what the, that's what's cool about the website is that's what I want people to go in there and have conversations.

I mean, if you think they're human, that's fine. If you think they're a damn dirty ape, that's fine. If you think they're paranormal, that's fine. But just to have the conversation on the website, I think, is important, you know, without, without the attacks. Yeah, it's just, to me, it's a very, it's very, the whole, subject is very interesting. And even if you believe in it or you don't believe in it, you know, I just, it's one of the biggest mysteries of man.

And, you know, you think about it. You got a nine foot, thousand pound creature covered in hair resembling us running around in the woods screaming like a maniac, banging on the walls and looking in your windows at night. If that doesn't peak your interest, I don't know what's going to. Yeah. You know, everybody says, the funny part about it is that everybody says that we need to have body, you know, so we can have some closure to this. And I agree with that. We definitely do. But you know, the truth of the matter is, once that day comes when we do have a body, that's when

the real questions are really going to begin, you know? Yeah, I agree. Once that happens, we're going to be starting this whole thing all over again. Right. You're going to have, everybody's going to want to know. How long is, you know, you think about the questions that you have now because you don't have the body. And I've thought about this. I said, Once that body is on the table, you think about it. Everybody's going to want to know, my God, how long is the gestation period? You know, what's the average lifespan? How many babies do they have?

Are the internal organs like ours? I mean, the questions go on and on and on. And it's just, like I said, there's going to be more questions once this thing is on the table than there is now. And I just hope that I'm alive. I hope I live long enough to see it. I really do. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Once the discovery, the rediscovery is made, I think there's going to be a lot more.

It's just the beginning. You know what I mean? It's not the end. It's just the beginning. I hope to see one. That's my goal is to see one. Like I told you, Wes, I have about three years ago before I get my retirement, and I'm headed to your neck of the woods.

I want to see one. I'm over here on the East Coast, and, you know, Finding Bigfoot did an episode of my area. the Pine Barrens of New Jersey. And that summary, that's where I live in the Pine Barrens. And there's really not too much goes on here. You'll have maybe two or three encounters every 20 years. You might hear something. But that's about it.

So I have to get out there. I'm going to get my retirement money and I'm headed out to Germerland. Yeah, I hear you. Well, yeah, look me up on here. Yeah, certainly will. I definitely want to see one before I die. And hopefully when I do, it's about a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a quarter of a of a mile away.

I don't want to see one close up. Looking through the scope of a rifle. Yeah. Yeah, right. Joe, I want to thank you for coming on the show. I really do appreciate it. Thanks for being such an active member on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Woody, thank you for being here.

And if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatronicles.com. If you have an idea and you'd like to come on and present content like Joe did tonight, let me know, post it up on the forums on Sasquatchronicles.com.

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