Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:139 Sasquatch encounter on a military base

Episode Date: August 23, 2015

My guest tonight is Anthony Moffet who is a researcher, and he describes an encounter he had while in the military. He was on base and was doing a training mission and saw two creatures watching his group. He said that he saw a creature in a push up position watching him. He heard crashing in the brush and the one creature was joined by another creature. Anthony also shares other encounters he has personally had along with some strange encounters that he has looked into. 

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It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracting me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. The look it was given. What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you bet.

Sheriff, see him. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters.

Let's start the show. Thanks for being here tonight. If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, please visit the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Got a great show planned for you tonight. My guest tonight is Anthony Moffat. He's a researcher out in Idaho.

And he posts a lot of stuff up on YouTube. He also has his group on Facebook, Sawtooth, Bigfoot Sawtooth Organization. Anthony, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here tonight. Oh, thanks for having me. It's nice to be here. And if you would, Anthony, now, how long have you been researching this topic? Well, you know, I've been asked that before.

I guess if I were to put it in years, 15 to 20 years, but most of that time were off and on, I would have to say for the last four to five years I've been doing it more full time. I've been spending more time in the fields. And was it originally an encounter that got you interested in this that really made you go, hey, I'm going to devote some time to this, I'm going to devote some time and energy to this topic? I've seen some different things in a few different western, northwestern states over the years. And I used to do a lot of wildlife photography just on my own. Nature and wildlife have always just been a passion of mine, spending time in the outdoors.

And I started finding large tracks. You know, I decided to pursue what could possibly be making these tracks more. Previous before that, when I was a young man, I think I was 18 years old. I were in the military. I were in the Army. And when I were in basic training for the Army, I did, I done my basic training at Fort Dix, New Jersey. While we were in training, it was actually blue phase. You go through the red, white, and blue phases.

That's how they did it at the time. We were in blue phase, and we weren't far from graduating. And they took a whole battalion out to run this obstacle course, and they decided to make it a competition between platoon. It was basically a race through this obstacle course. And my platoon were one of the first ones to get out there and two, the obstacles added together right there at the front. And when I did that, I was going the other one, right beside in the push-up position.

And at the time, I certainly didn't have big foot on my mind. And at the time, what I were thinking was to others other people out of their training. We're not being mystified at what I was looking at. It was hard to, you know, because I didn't have big foot on my mind, I wasn't thinking I were looking. I can remember looking at these things and being mystified at the odd appearance. At first glance, what I thought I was possibly looking at was soldiers in gilly suits. But as I kept looking at them, I didn't see any caballar helmet. I didn't see.

I started to realize that what I'm looking at is, and as I'm standing there, another soldier walk, to me and asking me what I'm doing. And I turned to look at him. And we just had a quick conversation. It's up on the hillside down 30, 40 feet down into like this hole. And the direction of these, the bowl shoots off that way, drops down another hill and just continues on through the forest. To this day, I kind of believe I were seeing a couple of big foots in New Jersey.

and, you know, when I started my Facebook group, I started learning about just in New Jersey. And as soon as I mentioned the push-up position, a light went on with them, of other Washington state. You saw the creature running on two legs meet up with another creature and then drop down to its belly, as you mentioned, like the push-up position. Well, and that's the thing. They weren't on their bellies. They maybe half an inch off the ground, grade out yourself in the push-up position with your ab-law. In, like I said, when I first saw these, I honestly thought I were just looking at maybe infantry out there doing some training. But I were questioned by all the sergeants that were out there, all the captains, all the lieutenants, because they wanted to know what I saw. And at the time, I just didn't have Sasquatch on my mind.

I was a young man. You know, when we're young, we want to get out and experience the world when I'm not thinking about things that are running around in the forest. They told me adamantly there it's not doing the best I could. It was a very heavily forward. I actually didn't start thinking about that situation until I had gotten a little older and started remembering. When I was a young man, I could just wind up. So I was running through the forest and I crested the hillside. And then I got on the top of this hill.

I saw what you're looking for out there. They had a fence between them, and they were standing nose to nose. And I come up the hill, and I'm shocked. I have these two large deer in front of me. I expect them to turn and run, and I hope when they did. that I don't get smacked. So I'm starting to get concerned. I realize I'm in an unusual situation here.

I'm yelling at them. I'm clapping my hands. I'm waving my arms in the air. And I'm asking myself, are these things even alive? Did they die standing up? What's true? The branches on it were put around. They were just huge branches.

All-sized acorn. And I toss it and hit one of the deer in the side with it. And then they finally turned and went in opposite direction. And I remember looking up a large, dark figure. Laying on one of the branches up, It was odd and stupid running and diving over this thing. And I can't really be sure what I saw up in that tree. But at this, there were no...

Just a couple of cats throughout my life. I lived in Wyoming for many years. Often I would see... I'd be up on a mountainside or down near a stream, down near willows, and then it was gone. Normally if you would see a man, possibly fly fishing or something, in an isolated area like that. that you would see them continue.

So those sightings there, by feel walking in the distance, and it would just disappear. It would be completely gone. So I often question, and I don't know for sure if I weren't seeing. Here on in life, I did learn there were some big sort of researches

that have gone into that area because they're in that area. I would find really gotten me interested, started me thinking that maybe there's something to this myth. and I'm an avid outdoorsman, an avid hiker, and I've started finding tracks in the Salttooth National Forest. And this one particular area that I spent, you know, three or four months in last summer, I started finding tracks from 13-inch lot of time in the air, really covering a lot of ground in there. And I do have a video called a Bigfoot track on the trail.

It's a 16 and a half inch track. It's the best track than I've ever found. Really nice. I went to last year, I decided to go look for tracks around these legs that are up on the mountain. It's about between a 4- and 5,000-foot five-mile hike. So it's a hike that can really, you know, zap your energy. It's so much within that five miles. And I decided to look for tracks around these lakes.

You know, in the middle of summer, you know, the ground really dries up. A lot of the tracks that you find if you do find any. So I decided to check out water source in softer ground. Looking around these lakes, and when I'd gotten within a quarter, I noticed how quietly was going on. It was Barryard. And when I'd gotten within about a quarter of a mile, the last two I left, I said to myself, well, there's an animal in there. And I said, you know what, I'm going to check this out on the way back through. That's what I did.

In fact, I walked up the trail about another 10 or 20 feet, and I turned around to look into that area, and there were some pine trees, walking around and continue on. To see the first lake, I decided to shoot some video that I picked up. It's kind of difficult to shoot in the video. I like to put commentary in with it, so I often shoot it myself. What appears to be in time, I'm being watched, I'm being followed around. Walk around this first lake, looking to track.

I'm not really finding a lot of sign, but yet, I didn't cover all the ground that I wanted to cover around that first lake. So I decided to walk to the second lake, and I get over to the second leg. I'm looking for sign around there. I shoot some video of that lake. And then I decide to leave that lake. Notice that the tree line run quite a wave on this lake and up to the mountain that's behind the lake. So you know what I'm just going to do there.

It's kind of a tough. I get to climb up a bit of a hillside, and then the forest continues on. I had a magpie that squawed me twice. I woke up at it even shut some video of it. And then I was like, shut up, you know, and I never made another sound. And I continued on through the tree line. And I'm walking around now at the back end of this forest, I have a big Rocky Mountain on the other side, and I'm checking it out.

And I see this tree that looks, it's just an odd-looking tree. You know, sometimes in the forest you find a tree that's looking at this tree. And I thought, wow, if I was a bi-pad out here, that would just be a... So I'm shooting goodwill of this tree, and again, I pan the camera around, and this time to my left again, I pick up the tree peaker. Now, this tree pinker, you can see this tree to my left, but I go there. I come back through the tree line, and now I'm working my way back around to, because what I plan to do, there's a section of floors back in. I get back around to the first lake, I hear voices. I hear some chattering type of whisk, so I kind of blow it off, and I walk back between the two.

legs and back into the forest a while and then I just said well you know what I'm tired I'm done I'm heading back down the trail when I came in it went some dead silent followed behind the loops for kind of a high-pitched rush and tree knocks I had tree knocks coming from you're worried at this point I mean I think for I first kind of went into shock you know I'm saying you know completely silent it's completely silent to I'm starting to get pretty spook. I remember, I reached out with my right hand and I grabbed the tree. And man up. And that's what I done. My camera, and my camera was doing flip-flops. I mean, I was like, oh, shit.

Decided to do some tree knocks back. I started to get my camera out and hit record. I ended up walking into the tree line where it sounded like the majority were coming from. And so I'm a 30-second video from that day. It's called a big foot-and-counter or a tree peaker, nox, and other sounds. And in that video, you can see the tree peaker. It's a little harder to see, but then the brightened up my Facebook, you can see the shape of the eyes and the nose in the mouth.

As I'm walking in, I'm getting tree knocks from in front of me, to my left, to my right, and behind me. I feel like I'm completely surrounded. I'm excited. I'm scared. I'm excited. I had a hike in. So anyway, I'm shooting this commentary, and I click the camera on.

I look at the camera and I say, this feels like a bolder. It felt like I was, it felt like a bold move. And I knew these didn't come out. I mean, anyway, I'm walking through all this bedfall. This area is just, and I'm stuck in videos about 30. I'm holding the camera looking at myself, and then I'll point the camera. Reit times all the dominant mouth. This big sucker is just right there staring me down beside this tree right there.

and I would have my guess is that they were going to be a confrontation. When I'm shooting this video, when I point the camera forward and back to myself three different times, if you pause the camera when I'm turning it back to myself up in a tree to my left, in this white face, just that have a lot of different opinions about what that white face is. It's a bigelian thing called a lot of different opinions, but that one was a real shocker to see. I just made a video called But anyway, this white face is probably That's 30 to 40 feet

It's high up in this Is it all you can see as a face You can't see anything else? That's it It looks like Friday the 13th That's what it looks like I'm not kidding you It stands out like a sore thumb

I actually have a video called I call it a strange white face Because I have people that accused me I cannot It doesn't have a lot of branches I cannot shink you. I'd be afraid I'd fall and break something, you know. I mean, I'll climb trees if they have branches that I can use to climb up.

I wanted to ask you, so going back to the big one that was there, did you see it at the time, or was it when you went back to your video? Is when you noticed the large... I only saw it in the video, and that's what really, really has me puzzled. Because, you know, when I was doing my wildlife photography, One thing, one of the things that made me so good at it is my ability to spot wildlife and thick brush. My eyes were just, my eyes were like a magnet that were just drawn to them. And I mean sometimes at distances, you know, something I was always good at.

This thing was only about 30 to 40 feet in front of me. And I couldn't see it, you know, and I'm still, confused as to why I couldn't see it. And I don't know if it had anything to do with, I was tired, I was excited, I was scared, I do know that I wanted to get out of there. I had a lot of fear. I knew I was surrounded and I had a lot of fear.

And it's possible that my hurry up, shoot the video and get out, maybe why I didn't see it. I have always had a regret that I did not get control of myself. I didn't control my fear and I didn't stick around. Because if I would have stuck around, I would have seen a whole lot more. But at the same time, I might have endangered myself a lot more. Yeah, don't you think you were probably in danger?

I mean, it kind of sounds like you were kind of endangered in that situation. I mean, I would have left, too. I'm not even sure I would have broken the camera. I think I would have just been like I'm out of here. That was my initial reaction. Like I said, when they first opened up on me, I almost took off. But I stopped myself, like I said, and I told myself to man up and check this situation out. As a big foot researcher, every time you encounter them, you just take off running, you know, what are you going to learn?

You know? Right. I would have to say that that was probably the first time, I would have to say that I had an encounter. And it was, I was scared. And that's why after I shot that video, the camera died. It was completely dead. I couldn't use it no more. So even if I would have stuck around, I couldn't have gotten anything on video.

But I do know I would have seen a lot more. Now, at the same time, because I was so fearful, after that camera died, I worked my way through the deadfall back out onto the trail and made my way down the mountain. And one thing I noticed when I went back up there this year on the 11th, the path that I took to get back out actually put me within about 15 feet of that big tree keeper. and I probably had to walk under the white face. And I can tell you, during that encounter, nothing was thrown at me. There was nothing aggressive of any kind made towards me. If I would have stuck around, that's not to say that the situation wouldn't have been different. I don't know.

And that's why, you know, I really regret that I didn't pick around. I was armed. I did have protection on me. And at the same time, I had no intentions of using it and was absolutely necessary. I really regret that I did not stick around. Now, when I went back up there this year on the 11th, I had no activity of any kind, except when I was about probably three miles from the air. It was about two miles in.

and I heard some roaring house. And I had never heard roaring house before in my life, not like you get up in Washington State in Oregon. I've heard whoops, I've heard whistles, I've heard barks, but I had never heard roaring house before. There were two back-to-back roaring houses that came from up the mountain where I was heading this year when I was going back up.

But I had never heard those before, and I were blown. One of the things I want to ask you, going back to when you were a kid and you saw the one in the tree, would you describe it more monkey-like or did you honestly just think it was a person sitting up in a tree? Well, all I saw was a black mask and an arm, I would say the left arm, kind of hanging down a little bit from the branch. And it just kind of looked like, I don't know, maybe a furry shadow. At the time, you know, at 12 years old, I might have been, you know, between 12 and 14. I don't recall the actual year that happened. At that point in time in my life, I don't think that had even heard of Bigfoot yet.

Now, later on, in the following years, I started hearing about Bigfoot because there were two men that came over to our farmhouse. house and they had just had a sighting in their car at probably about midnight. They were on an old dirt road and they had one that ran out in front of their car. And I remember their description. They said it was completely black. They said it had deer antlers on its head. And that was really mystifying. And over the years when I thought about it, and they were shook up.

They really wouldn't speak more of it. And my guess is what they probably saw is a big foot carrying a deer. It's probably what they saw. That makes almost sense. Yeah, yeah. And they said this thing was huge. It stepped out in front of their headlights and had deer emperors on a pit. And that was their description.

They wouldn't talk any more about it. They wanted to put it out of mind. I think I'd ask them about it a couple more times when I would see him, and they just really wouldn't say any more about it. You know, that was back in the 70s. And, you know, we now get a lot more people will them to come forward with citing reports nowadays. Yeah, that is interesting.

I've never heard that before. I tend to agree with you on that situation. I think it was probably carrying a deer, and they saw the black mask and probably caught the head of the deer set up on the shoulder. It is interesting. You know, when people have encounters, either aid, they go to tell someone and they get made fun of, so they never talk about it again,

or they'll briefly mention it and then never talk about it again. It's a weird psychology when someone has, an encounter with one of these things. And it's always made me wonder, too, because it's so far outside of people's firm of reference. You know, when people see bears or they see grizzly bears or they see, they have fear, but not the type of fear that's thing evokes from people. I think it's a sucks.

That's the unusual part of it because they're not a known species. And, you know, I've often said, you know, even having a sighting, I equate it to winning the lottery. The odds are just as good, and you may even have better odds of hitting the lottery. You know, I'm out in the forest as often in the mountains as often as I can get out there, and it's very rare for me to have more than just a treenoch or hear a whoop or a whistle or a bark. Just a few, a couple of weeks ago, and what I do is I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a backcountry off-trail guy.

And what I do is I go out and I look for sign. I look for tracks. I look for key structures and any type of sign that I can find I look for. And when I find a potential track or something like that, I take that area. I study the area and I look for hidden places within these mountain ranges where they might possibly be spending most of their time and I will try to get into those areas. And just a couple of weeks ago, I made a video of a hidden valley that I had gone into. And this was a really, really tough climb to get into this hidden valley.

Video is awesome. The scenery is amazing. But there are roller bushes in a stream that run up through this split to get up into this hidden valley. And for the last couple of years, I've been finding a lot of cute bones around these wallabushes. and I found a mountain goat skull and various other deer and elk and goat bones laying around these little bushes that something has chewed up. You know, something's been feeding, and I believe using those willow bushes to ambush prey. And this actually isn't three or four miles. It's the same mountain range where I had my encounter.

It's just a different area. but it's actually in part of the same mountain ranges where I had my encounter. I had this hidden valley on my mind for a couple of years now. And one day, I kind of got a late start. It's not that far up the trail to actually get to work your way up into that hidden valley. So I decided, well, you know what, I'm going to do that today. I did. I had gotten up in there.

I probably burned off about 10 pounds just trying to get up there. And I finally get in there. And when I hike into these hidden valleys, when you hike up a mountain like this, you don't always know that it's going to plateau off and you're going to have a valley in there. So when you hike up, you climb, and it has called Hidden Valley because it is hidden.

You don't know it's there. I'd find out if there's a valley up there. So Hidden Valley, this is going to be a great place to look for sign. This is out of the way, and this is what I do. I like to sign these out of the lake. They're not just in time in an area. These are the areas where they're going to pitch and camp on the trails. And I get in there and I feel like I'm being washed and that could be anything.

It could be a bear up there. I didn't know that I spoofed a little bit. I continued on to this way to the back of ours out beside eat lunch. I'm sitting there eating lunch and I hear a bark. And the bark sounded like it was coming from behind me. And I was like a box in bay. And so I did walk in a lot. a little bit from the back back into the tree line, I decided to shoot some video.

While I'm shooting that video, a little bill slug or a wooden bat, you just heard it as hard as you can on a telephone at the time it happened. Because that's one of the reasons I have parts in my videos trying to get donations so I can get the equipment I need. I need a GoPro, I need a thermal imager. My videos, you can, I decided to react. Well, I'm looking around for a stick or something. and pick up off to do a tree knock with, and I'm just not seeing anything that's going to work.

So I take my couple times that it's tree knock, but yet I did it anyway. I'm now working my way back out of this Hidden Valley, so probably 30 seconds, maybe 30 seconds after the tree knock, I'm walking to my left and working my way back out there. There's an opening through that. To my left, this thing, trees to my left. It pushed over a tree. You found it pushed over a tree. And here I am, way up in this Hidden Valley, on this mountain, all by myself.

I've done a lot. I've got something that's making an aggressive movement. I'm here. In this, I saw no sign a bear. I mentioned Bear in the video because more than likely these Hidden Valley is where a lot of bears go. I did find a couple of tracks heading at the mountain that were profile. They were very big-foot-looking. shallow that saw no bear

tracks I saw no bear scat in fact I didn't see any scat of anything I didn't see any scat and normally if your scat's going to be on my side but at the same time the 9 millimeter it would make my way in a hurry

did you actually see what was bluff charging you or did you just get the I could see a very dark something back there and I could see that it was massive it was it was huge. And at the same time, this is one of those situations where you can do one or two things. You can, you can say, well, I'm going to put my safety at risk here and I'm going to walk over

there and I'm going to see what I can see. Or you can say I'm going to take safety first and I'm going to, obviously, this is something that's anger at me. I'm going to put some distance between me it. And that's what I chose to do. If I wouldn't have been alone, if I would have had someone else with me, I think we would have pursued the situation. That goes back to what I mentioned earlier. When you have a confrontation, even with local wildlife, say a mountain lion or a bear, you cannot predict how that situation is going to come out. And if up there where I was at, if I would have been injured in any way, it's a good possibility. The only way I could have gotten out of there if I were injured would have been to crawl.

It's almost straight up and down just to get up into that hidden valley. I mean, it's crazy, ridiculous. Were you a little bit, Anthony, going out by yourself, you're carrying a 9mm? There's a lot of things that can get you in Idaho territory besides Sasquatch. I mean, doesn't that worry a little bit? bit? Well, it does, and that's why I plan to upgrade to a 44. A Smith and Lesson $40 cost, you know, at a minimum of $900 for a new one. So, and I just, I don't have the money to go out and spend $900 on a new Smith and lesson, but I do plan in the future to upgrade.

Now, my confidence will go up when I'm carrying a 44 on my side, and I know if I have to and I love nature and I love love love I don't want to shoot anything but you know my my hope is is when I fly off around to just be toward coming at me any further and it'll go away but you're right there are many things in the mountains that can harm a man and but you know most of the time I it's very rare for what happened to me in that hidden valley that happened It doesn't happen very often. I'll hike into a lot of these places. I feel like I'm being watched sometimes.

I'll hear some tree knocks, but the actual activity would be very minimum. That was very aggressive up there. The tree knock you can hear in the video. A lot of people have made comments on that tree knock, but I'm using a $200 camera. It didn't pick up the audio as well as I heard it, and I wish it would have. But if you could hear it well enough,

you know what it is, but yet at the same time, to me, it still doesn't give it the reality that it deserves because I've heard many Tremox in my explorations, but this was the best one I ever heard. And it might have been because it just wasn't very far away from me. I mean, it must have been, I would guess a max of 50 feet, and max, you know, and it may have been 20 to 30 feet, but it was not very far. away from me. And it was just amazing to hear. Amazing. I also have a video on a massive peepie structure that I found this summer also, and I don't know if you've seen that,

but it's called, I believe that video is called a massive tepee structure found in Idaho, and that is another hidden valley that I climbed to get into. And this is a very large, very well built. Deep structure. There's a hidden valley up there. I've found tracks in it. I have found trees that have been bent over. And I just had Rob Azuto from Northwest Bigfoot come up from Boise.

And I took him up in there searching the valley while we were up. Maybe that's due to the fact that I had somebody with me. That's one of the upsides to or a group of Bigfoot goes up. side being by yourself is the safety issue. Now, if you have the protection on you, protection that I carry, I always carry bear spray. I always have bear spray on me and always have a sidearm. My sidearm that one happened in that hidden valley had that activity.

I would have walked to see if I could possibly. Now, I was going to say, in my honest opinion, what I experienced, the treenock wouldn't be a tree knock. And after this thing, it just seemed brown bears and what? Washington, Sparks really not very far away. Sam and Idaho, 200 miles north of here. So it's rumored that, you know, there's no question in my mind, what I experienced.

Let me ask you this. I know you're not really out to shoot one. You're not going out there to shoot one. I think, and I'm not sure how you feel about it, Anthony. I think it needs to be done. And I think that, you know, someone needs to, it needs to be done. Someone has to pick one of these things off, just to bring it in. a lot of people don't like to hear that they hear to hear me say that but i'm going to always

say how i feel i think one needs to be shot but if you're not going out there to collect a specimen if you're not going out there to take one of these things down and i wouldn't obviously wouldn't recommend it by yourself but what's one thing or two things that you've learned while going out researching this being out there in the forest that you've learned that maybe other people don't know these things do, these creatures do? As far as the Rocky Mountain states go,

the northwest, where we're at, most of the sightings that have happened, people were just in the right place, the right types. Most sightings are from non-execut researchers, people that are just out having a picnic or out fishing or driving down

a road. As a researcher, if you want to find these things, In my opinion, you have to be willing to go the distance. And that's what I do. You're not going to find them by big footing from your car unless you're just in the right place at the right time. You're not going to find them by being too lazy to get out into the mountains and do the footwork that it takes. And you'd be surprised at how many big footers are not willing to, you know, when they go out big footing in Kansas,

They're basically driving up to a campsite, a public campsite, they're pitching camp, and they're not venturing out of ways from camp. You have to be willing to put in the footwork. You have to be willing to put in the extra footwork, in my opinion. If you're out looking to get a big foot on video, you have to be willing to, in my opinion, to go the distance when you're out there. And from what I can see, there's only so many big footers that are actually doing that. Now, that doesn't mean you're not going to find evidence by going so far out of the way. But that's just my opinion from what I've seen, from what I've been doing, you're going to find sign. And which is mostly what I do.

I look to sign. I don't expect to see anything because it's just so hard to do. But that's just my opinion. I could be wrong on that. But where I bigfoot with my experience, if you want to capture Bigfoot without shooting Bigfoot and capture one on video, you really have to be willing to spend the time out there. And that's why I admire a lot of your videos because you are out there in the middle of nowhere. And I tend to agree with you.

I think most researchers are probably on Facebook or talking about other researchers they hate, generally speaking, as opposed to getting... I don't hate the fact that somebody wants to shoot one. I just don't. I think that if someone shot one and brought a body into the whole world to see, that that could do a lot of good. Now, if one came at me in an aggressive manner and wanted to harm me,

I would pull my sidearm and shoot it. It's not like I'm just going to stand there and let it take me out. I'm not going to do that. But I'm not tracking them to take one out. I personally, if I had access to tranquilizers and tranquilizer guns, I might chase them down to tranquilize them to get DNA hair samples and possibly even bring the body in alive. The live specimen would definitely be better than a dead one.

But we're talking either way, you're talking about a tall. I mean, there are people that are, you know, as you know as well as I do, there are kill groups out there trying to take one out. And they're just really not gaining any headway on the people that are against pro-kill. You know, the results are the same either way. And that's why I don't take it too seriously with it they're going to get anywhere. As less non-pro kills are, you know, we're just out there doing this. best we can and hoping for the best. And who knows, maybe one of these days in a body and maybe someone won't.

But it did hit in Valley, I knew. Well, it makes you go back to thinking of the push-up position you were talking about in the beginning. And I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that before, which doesn't mean anything. But I've heard people say they get on their bellies and you belly crawls a lot. But the push-up position is an interesting position, especially if you're... Well, I'm not talking about with, you know, your arms at... extended straight. If, you know, when you, when your, when your arms are extended straight and you drop

down to do your push up and you get your elbows fully bent, they just stayed in that position. And then, you know, when, when this other guy and I were speaking, it was only a matter of one to two seconds, maybe three seconds max, they were able to disappear and be gone in that amount of time without making this out. And, and that was, that was really, really unusual. And, you know, honestly, maybe it wasn't. Maybe I weren't seeing big foot on that base, but I'll tell you what, it was a very, very odd and very different.

Well, yeah, and especially being on, you know, a military reservation, you can't just step foot on one. So it's either a people out there, which really doesn't make sense, especially if you're out there doing training, I can't see other soldiers out there running around without the base commander or someone knowing what's going on. And that's just that they know where everybody would set on a base like that, where they hold up, especially basic training and AIT, your job training type of stuff. They have to know where everyone wanted that to prevent others from getting shot or blown up by artillery and things like that.

And, you know, when I was questioned by the upper-ranking people that were there, they were very adamant. but, you know, there was no one else out there. And so they wanted to know what I saw, you know, and I told them, you know, told them what I saw. And, of course, as a young man, I didn't say what term. I just explained to them what I saw, and they wanted to know what I saw because just for safe. Do you ever take reports from people?

I mean, do you, is there people in your area that you go out and you investigate reports? Well, I do have a, a wet, page that I started not too long ago. It doesn't seem to be getting a lot of activity. I want people to report their sightings to me. I do know of sightings. One of the admins for my group is Jeff Loughlin. He lived in New York, but he's from Sam in Idaho.

He grew up and went to high school in Sam and Idaho. And his family still lives there, so he comes back once a year, once every two years, and spends a month or two with his family. and salmon, and he told me he were coming out, so I went up to salmon, and him and I camped and I've done some bake footing while we were up there, and we made a siting. We done a video on his sighting that he had back in 2013 when his son were up on the mountains, what and firewood. But as far as the salt tooth goes, there's an area called Redfish Lake that's in Stanley, Idaho, which is a huge tourist attraction. You've got Stanley Lake. You've got Redfish Lake, you've got the Cateshorn Lakes, you've got Bull Trout Lake, and you've got Deadwood Reservoir, which Kelly Shaw from the Rocky Mountain Squatch spends a lot of time and in Deadwood Bigfooting because a lot of big foot sightings come out of air.

Redfish Lake, there was a video on YouTube a couple of years ago that has also been pulled off YouTube. Redfish Lake is a very big lake. several miles long. In fact, a man just drowned. They were outboating. He jumped in the water, and the water was so in the mountains behind redfish. In there, in the mountain, in fact, it's just all part of the, like I said, it's about him, and he's never been found.

A few years before that, one of these young Boy Scouts probably, this was a normal that whatever grabbed him, the rest of the troop and the troop leaders finally found, and they tracked it down, and they found it, and apparently they had to close. Did they see what it was? This was where the story, but it's interesting. The young man, and so that video is no longer, it was another video that was pulled from YouTube. First life has cabins you can run, it has a beach.

If they have boys, you know, the A-N, was leaving the shower facility and walking back to his cabin, and he heard the strange to go get some of five. For all that you can take, come down that stream. The highway, as you come to a Polo Scout, In June of 1980, there was a lot of big hike. And then they saw it. You know, they're signing with the SRO report,

how massive its legs were. Yeah, that is interesting. A lot of good details there in that report. You know, going back to the one you were just saying that, that kind of hit me a little bit with the boy that was taken, and I don't know how they coax this thing into letting him go, and he's now insane. There was a report.

I was telling you about the one, right? before we went on air with that happened out here in Oregon. And the story goes, and I've been trying to find more and more details on it before I was going to say it on the air. But basically the story goes, this guy, he was a

logger out here in Oregon. And he owned his own logging company. And so he had basically set up shop in the middle of nowhere. He had a mobile home. And this man kept being followed. He kept saying he kept having stuff thrown at him. And he

caught sight of it one day and it was a bunch of apes throwing stuff at him and so he had made a bunch of reports saying these apes were following them and his whole family had seen them while they lived in this moment I would imagine it sounds like to me they were upset

that someone's cutting their floors down well and that might have been it but he basically he was telling his family about this he was saying hey look I don't know what these things are but there's these weird creatures out here they're kind of ape-ish. So he kept telling

his family, you know, outside of his immediate family, but he was telling some of his family members, hey, these apes keep, they're giving me a hard time, they follow me, they throw stuff at me, and you're right, he was logging that area. And he had told one of

his family members that he was heading back to his home. On his way back to the home, this thing kept pacing him and growling at him in the woods until he got up to his home. got into his home. Well, no one had actually heard from the family for about two months. And some of the, you know, outside the family started getting worried.

So they called the cops. When the cops went out there, there was, it looked like a tornado had hit the place. There was punch marks from the outside. I think they blew it off as, you know, he'd crossed some drunks or he'd crossed some crazy guys out there. But the whole mobile home was completely like a tornado hit it. There was stuff outside, but I guess they had found the daughter. And the daughter was five or six years old at the time when they found her, and everyone else was dead.

They had taken the daughter to, like, a foster home. And the story goes, she's actually in it, she's actually completely insane now. She's in an insane asylum. She had trouble in every foster home they put her into. And there was a researcher

that was actually looking into that story, and had dug up a bunch of stuff on this encounter, and I've been trying to find him and find a lot of his work. I find bits and pieces of it, but with anything like this, you know, unless you're going to find bits and pieces over here of different things that were happening to kind of put together the story. Well, and, you know, it all goes along with a lot of the missing 411, too. these things for some reason are able to confuse the mind. And I think that's where a lot of the people that have lost their minds after certain situations with these things is, you know, if you're out in the jungle and you see a monkey, it's not going to be, or even a gorilla.

Now, a gorilla's going to scare you, but if it doesn't attack you, you're not going to lose your mind from seeing a gorilla. and there's just something unique about them and sometimes I often wonder if you know one of the things that's been floating around is, and some people believe it, some don't, is infrasone. That it's a high-risk frequency

that's kind of like a dog whistle. You can't hear it. That it's there. I used to take a dog with me on some of my expeditions and they were, the exact spot where I had my encampments, encounter, this dog would freeze up, and this was months before my encounter.

This dog would literally freeze up. I would take my foot and kick it in the rear end and everything else, and it would not move. And this is a dog that normally did either right on my hills or right in front of me leading. And this dog would not move. Every time it got to this spot where I had in my encounter, it would freeze up. And I sometimes, I honestly, I don't know. I don't think any of us know. If you think about it, if they have some high-pitched frequency,

that's not, it can hit you like a dog whistle. When someone blows a dog whistle, the sound is going in your ears. You just can't hear it. And it's possible, and that's one of the things I thought about also. Maybe I was hit by the infrasound, and that's why it confused my mind just enough that I couldn't see that thing standing in front of me. You know, a lot of people believe,

that they use this infersound to stun prey at which helps them hunt. If a large ape grabbed you, it's going to scare you. Pretty bad. You know, but if this large gorilla just grabs you and holds

on to you, you're going to be worried about what's coming next. But it's not normally enough to cause you to completely lose your mind. You might go into shock a bit, but you're not going to lose your mind. So what is about these things? that causes people to lose their mind.

And if you think about a five-year-old little girl, she's not going to have enough of an understanding about life that something's going to scare her bad enough to where she's not going to recover from them. So it makes me wonder if there's not something to this infestown or something like ImproSound that maybe they put out through their mouth or through their nose that just gets into, into your ear cavities and somehow affects the brain.

You know, a lot of people have said that they can feel the infrasound, hit them in the gut. There's even people that say they know ways to recover from that, which is take a short nap. Now, when I had my encounter, I didn't sell anything in my gut, but I do know that there was some confusion going on. There are people that watch that video, and they say, man, your eyes are still rich.

I watched the video and I say, yeah, they're right. They are a bit of bloodshot when I'm shooting that video. But, you know, I don't do drugs. I don't drink. So it's not like I was running around in the woods. Stone, if I was, I wouldn't be able to do the hikes I do. In fact, I keep myself fit. I do a lot of biking to keep myself fit, and I'm in the gym usually all winter long.

I sometimes think, because a lot of these people from missing 4-1-1, even some of the adults that we've heard about somehow experienced the state of confusion, you know, and they're found a long way from where they were taken. And with the children, a lot of the children, when they are found, we know their clothes are removed and they're not eaten. There's usually a couple scratches on their body, but they're usually found miles away in these and they're just dead. If these things, say, juveniles,

were taking young children, just playing with them, you know, and playing with them too rough and causing internal injuries, he would think an autopsy restricts internal injuries from being slammed or punched or, you know, something like that. And from what I understand,

that's usually nothing that is really a owner that is flunking out. I guess they told him they said, I would need to see that. Don't you kind of call BS on that a little bit because this kid disappeared from what I understand, he's right there with his parents and his grandparents. Each of them think the other one's watching him.

But he really wasn't that far from camp. The kid vanishes. They send out, you know, they send out nothing shy of a military operation. He'll go find this kid. There's no trace of them. What I understand, they used track dogs that would only track so far, and then they would stop tracking. Right. You know, if it was a wolf, if it was a bear, if it was a mountain lion,

those dogs should be able to track it a long ways unless, of course, it's gone through some sort of water source and come out on the other side of the dogs to lose its scent. But in no local animal, you would think the dogs can track a long, long way. Well, the other thing, too, is when a predator gets you, you know, even a small child, it's going to make a mess when it makes its kill. There's going to be blood everywhere. There's going to be even a little kid's going to put up a fight.

You know, I realize a toddler may not put up such a fight. kids not going to be able to fight much against the mountain lion, a wolf or a bear. Right. But in the same breath, there'd be a mess, though, don't you think? I mean, there'd be a complete mess from it. Well, it depends. When I look at this, and I've heard, and this is what confuses me about this. It sounds like you and I read the same report.

They were all in camp, and the boy was somewhere in between them. But what I was told by someone else is the parents went for a short hike. We're gone for about 20 minutes and left him with the grandfather, who apparently was on oxygen. Now, when I looked at the report online, I saw the same thing you did that they were all in camp. Now, there's only one animal that I'm aware of, known animal, that could do that, and that would be a mountain lion. A mountain lion will sit in the brush and wait for the right opportunity, and a mountain lion always goes for the smallest person in the group. And a mountain lion always goes for the throat. If a mountain lion

grab this boy around the neck squeeze, the boy's probably not going to screw and certainly not going to be able to fight because a two-year-old boy, a mountain lion could run up a mountain and climb a tree without even losing a breath. So I don't buy it a worse story.

You know, here's the thing. If a mountain lion would have grabbed the boy, I think the dogs could attract that mountain lion for a long way and at some point in time, during that trail, you are going to find some blood. And you're right, if a mountain lion or a wolf would have grabbed the boy around the neck and they'd squeeze hard enough so he couldn't scream, you would think there would have been a drop or two of blood probably close to camp.

It really is a terrible, terrible story. I mean, I really hate to hear when kids go missing without a trace. Can you imagine how those parents feel? Oh, my God. I was up just this last weekend. I was up, I went up to my encounter area. Like I said, I put out some apples and energy bars and things like that. I made some rock stacks.

I had fun going back up there already, but with all the smoke we're getting, I just can't do it. But when I were coming out, I ran into the family that had some little 10 years old, 9 years old, and they were standing on this little sandy area by the stream, and the little grills were running. down the shallow stream, way up through the willow bushes. You know, and these parents just weren't even panicked. So I wanted so bad to walk up to those parents and say, do not let them out of your sight. Keep an eye on them at all times.

But at the same time, I knew if I'd done that, they would just look at me and think of me as a quack. So I didn't say anything to them, but I really wanted to say, look, you're out here, the children, shaking my head at these, they get out into these mouth of their own caring bears relatives. And, you know, these people, you know, you get out there, it's a beautiful day,

thingry's nice, nature's nice, much at all for any one of these predators when your nine or ten-year-old little kid is running down the stream way out of your side in between these rollerbushes for... Yeah, and you're right. I mean, I can relate to that. The area that when I was down with Bob Garrett and Bob and I had the log thrown at our heads, the next day there was Boy Scouts that were going to stay in that same camp spot. And I almost said, you know what, I really really... wanted to go over there and say, you know what, be careful while you're here because, uh, but then

you know, you know, you're really not sure what to, what to say to them, you know what I mean? It's like, what do you say to someone like that, you know? And then if you're, they're just, they're just going to think, hey, be aware of this guy. He's a, he's a nut. Yeah. You know. And most of the time, no, you know, you're in some situations you get lucky and just say, you know what, you're right.

You know, they might be, you know, someone that's just not going to consider you. think of you that way. But I tell you, I saw those little kids just really getting the parents not paying attention, and I wanted to say something, but I didn't get my mouth shut. One thing you should try while you're out there. I'd recommend having a bigger gun, though, when you try it, is try playing a baby crying. You know, have audio of a baby crying. I've had some...

I've never considered that. I've never considered that. You know, that may work. Yeah, I did that. there was a YouTube, there's two or three hours of nothing but this kid crying. And I tried that and I had some pretty good success with it. I mean, it came in, but it came in pretty aggressively when I had that going. And yeah, it did kind of a weird cooing. It's not a noise I've heard before from any animal period.

But it came rushing in. I mean, it came in like a Mack truck. You could hear it coming from got a quarter of a mile away through the forward. but I had been playing it for almost an hour and I was getting ready to turn it off because it was driving me nuts and after about an hour and also we just hear this sound like a Mack truck just crashing through

about a quarter of a mile and it cleared that distance from about a quarter of a mile away to where we were at and it stopped right inside the brush and then it started cooing doing this weird cooing noise I guess that's the only thing I could relate it to just a real weird cooing noise

but it did you brought it in Have you ever asked yourselves? Because I've thought about this. I think a lot of people probably have that are associated with the big foot world. Why do they go after children? What is it about children mainly? Is it the fact that they're easier prey? You know, is it just that?

And if so, is it because they're more fearful of adults? And if that's the case, then that gives us somewhat of a leg up that they may have some fear of. us. It seems like to me that, you know, with all the missing children, I'm better suspected to have been taken by Bigfoot, that why, is that just what it is? Is it that they're just, they're easier prey, they're easier to carry off? And then why do they do it? Well, I think... How do they carry them off? Do they eat them? Or is it just some sort of game, you know? I think that Sasquatch is a predator. There's no doubt about that.

And most predators, well, take a mountain line, for example, a mountain line, if it has a choice between you or a small child, it's going to go for the small child because it's less likely to get hurt. It's easier pickings. And I think it's for a deal. And mountain lions are known for that. They always go for the smallest groups. Right. And any predator will, for the most part, a predator is going to pick out the easiest target. You see it with lions when they're chasing down gazelles.

They're going to chase either the young ones or the old ones. They're not really going to mess with the adults because it's too much of a, too much work for a meal. And I think these things eat kids. I think they eat people. I really do. A lot of the Native Americans called them cannibals. You know, they thought of them as being kind of the wild man. But in the same breath, they said, hey, these saints are cannibals.

these things will, they're not above eating you. And it would make sense. That's what worded me when I was in that hidden valley. You know, I actually had a true knock and I had that charge, you know, I didn't want to become a meal. You know, like I said, you don't know how a confrontation is going to come out. I mean, it's possible I could have walked over there. Maybe I would have seen it. Maybe I wouldn't have.

Maybe it wouldn't have gone any further than that. But when you're that deep in and you're all wrong. and the protection that you have on you is questionable, my judgment said think safety and get out of the situation, you know, and that's what I've done. And of course you have regret. You get out of them and say, man, why didn't I do this? Why didn't I do that?

And, you know, you can have many people come up to you and say, well, I would have done this. I would have done that. Until they're in that situation, they really don't know. Yeah, I think when you're an aggressive situation like that, where they're vocalizing all around you, kind of sound like you were being squeezed into a box if you want my honest opinion and I would have left too

I think you made the right call but you know going back to what are these things to you okay let me go back to that my encounter and that's what you're talking about is my encounter how I was surrounded and I have a video called the theory of my encounter

this is what I believe I spent and that's something that I meant to put in the story that I left out so I'll tell you now I spent almost four months in this five-mile valley finding tracks all over the place. I go into places that most people will look at and not even think about going into. And I think at some point in time, I got close and didn't know it. They were so used to seeing me, they were so used to keeping an eye on me that that day, they finally decided to turn the tables on me. Hey, you wanted us,

you were looking for us, here we are. And it might have been some kind of test to see. how much that I knew. And to be honest with you, because I let fear get the better of me, I think they realize, hey, you don't know much at all. But I also think that this particular group may have been relocated due to our fires. That was the year that we had the nation's largest forest fires here. It was just incredible. I mean, we lived here in Haley.

We were just under a thick cloud of smoke for about a month and a half. It was unbelievable. It's horrible to live through it. But it's possible that this group were so deep in the mountains, possibly in some hidden valley deep in the mountains. It's now burned up. And it's also possible that they don't always have to venture very far out of way from their territory. And I sometimes suspect this group maybe never even saw a man before. I think that it's possible they were relocated due to those fires.

When they got into this valley, they run into a situation where there was. already a squatter, a little small group of squashes living there, and they ran into a situation where they were trying to find a new home, but yet now they were fighting for territory. Because I think it was unusual that there were so many, and I don't know how many they were there. There's many people that freeze that video, and they'll find faces in many different spots. and I don't believe they live in a large group, and they're living in groups. You know, I knew that I was surrounded, and so I suspect it's possible that I just ran into a confrontation situation

that was going on between a group that was established there and one that was relocated into their territory. I have many, many theories on it, you know, was they just in the right place at the right time? I had searched for almost four days. I haven't been in there. There's a lot of different locations and that much time in that area because, frankly, I got bored and I've had that encounter. I had it. I probably wouldn't have a tracks in many different places.

Central tracks because they never found a track with five toes. I did cast. I never found that perfect track like some of the sun can track with five toes. I wonder how those people found out. Yeah, a lot of those tracks are Grover Krantz's tracks. I think Mildrum got most of them. my previous co-host got most of them. But a lot of those people don't find those tracks.

A lot of them that were handed down from Grover-Krantz. And you're right, it's really tough to find a great track like Jeff Meldrum has. Well, Anthony, I appreciate you coming on and be safe while you're out there. Well, yeah, I mean, for God's sake, you're out by yourself with a 9-millimeter. You know, I can appreciate you're an experienced woodsman, and, you know, you know, you know what you're. doing out there, but still makes you worry a little bit when you hear that. Well, I'm going to be honest with you, there's some areas that I'll go into where my head on a swivel, because I know by being by myself and not having the best protection that I can

have, I input myself at risk. But the explorer in me kicks in and, you know, I don't want to become a statistic. And like I said, that's why I have cards in my videos that people can click on and donate to me so I can keep getting out there and doing the honest research that I'm doing for myself and for them. They can donate to me to help me keep doing what I do. I want to keep doing what I do. I want to keep also entertaining people. There's a lot of people that like a lot. Some of my videos are good.

Some of them aren't so good. But I want to keep doing this for myself and for them, but I do need help. You need some help. My wife is our, she earns a good living. And I do make a little bit of money off the advertisements in my videos, but I'm not making enough money. You know, I'm making a minimum of $100 a month. And I just recently started earning that.

It takes a long time to build up to that. I did sell shirts overwinter, saw two groups, shirts. My man just to spell 100 of those shirts, which earned me $500, which went, the money went into a new camera and a new computer. Like you, my computer had recently crashed. So, as you know, a good computer, good camera gear, you know, that doesn't even come close, covering that call. But, you know, I do what I do keep going.

And fortunately, I live in a location that doesn't cost me a lot of money to get out into my location. I use, I do the best I can that the cameras that I can set up versus a drone wouldn't. Researchers we need, we know after so much time out there that just one man with the camera might get lucky.

Anthony, I want to thank you again for being on the show. Really do appreciate it. Thank you for coming on and sharing your personal encounters and then some of the other encounters that you've looked into. So thank you so much for being on. Yeah, thanks for having me. And that wraps it up for tonight.

Remember, if you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at saskwatch chronicles.com. And if you had a chance, check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone, have a great evening. It goes above and beyond. I was hit by a tire in the front end of my car and did a substantial amount of damage.

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