Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:141 Sasquatch running down the hill

Episode Date: August 30, 2015

I will be speaking to Skip who is from Texas. He shares with us his encounter he had almost 28 years ago. He was at the river with his friend and they decided to pack up and head home. Skip was carrying items back to his car and as he walked up the hill away from the river he says "This big black thing that was covered in hair bursts out of the brush and I watch it run upright…like a man but WAY too fast to be a man. In one leap the creature jumps about 12 feet across the river. My friend walks up because she saw it too and say who…..what….was that?!" Skip is a pastor in Texas and this encounter has always stuck with him. I will also be speaking to Jack McCarty who is the author of "Bigfoot Evidence – I Cannot Deny It." Jack writes "Twenty-three years ago I saw my first Bigfoot footprint in the woods. Ever since then I have studied additional evidence and documented it with photographs and journals. This book is a compilation of my experiences in the forests where Bigfoot lives."

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They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one in that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. The look it was given me. Zach what are you're reporting? Jesus Christ, you better.

Sheriff? See them. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

Uh-oh. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their accounters. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Hope your weekend's going well. Sunday. I know preseason's almost over with and the regular football season is starting, and I can't wait for that. I got a great show playing for you tonight. I have two guests that I'm

bringing on. My first guest is Skip, and he's from Texas. He's a pastor down there in Texas. He had an encounter back in 1987. I want to say he was in his late teens when he had this encounter. And it's a very fascinating encounter. It's a Sasquash that burst out of the bushes and then took off at a ridiculous speed. And as you listen to the encounter, it makes you wonder, was a Sasquatch sitting there watching him the whole time? Or was it, was he just at the right place at the right time? And they cross pass. My second guest tonight is Jack McCarty, and is the author of Bigfoot evidence, I cannot deny it. It's a short book, but it's a very interesting book because Jack puts in there a lot of the pictures he's taken with tracks.

He shares a lot of his evidence, and he shares a lot of his encounter stories, as he will tonight. A very fascinating book, if you get a chance, check it out. It's on Amazon.com. Again, it's called Bigfoot Evidence. I cannot deny it by Jack McCarty. You know, as Jack and I were talking the other day, one thing I wanted to share with the audience, One of the things, you know, you hear a lot of these bigfooters, they go out and they try and mimic Bigfoot calls. We've seen it on Finding Bigfoot. You hear a lot of Bigfoot researchers talking about it. And actually how Jack had his encounter is how I would imagine you would actually call in a Sasquatch.

Sasquatch is a predator. Make no mistake about that. It's the highest level of predator out there. And what Jack was actually doing was he was doing these. calls of a wounded animal, wounded bear, wounded rabbit, and that brought in the Sasquatch in a couple of his encounters. And so it made me think, you know, you can get a lot of these calls. You can buy them down at your local sports place.

You know, you can get the wounded rabbit, you can get the wounded bear, and you can do these calls while you're out there. So if any of you are out there listening and you're wanting to bring in a Sasquatch, I'd recommend going and getting one of these wounded animal calls. I would do it near water, and I would go out and try and do some of these calls. I'm going to try it myself, but please, please, please, if you go out there and do this, please go armed, because you may bring in other predators to as well, because they're looking for all predators.

They're looking for easy meals, and when they hear these calls, they'll come to you. And there's more than just Sasquatch out there that can get you. But if you get a chance to try it out, I'm going to try it out, might even take my handycam out, and post it up on the blog, see if I have any success with it. Speaking of the blog, if you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, last week I've been trying to post more videos. Even with my ugly mug, I've been trying to post more videos on there. And I did an interview with Trey McAllister. He went out to a property, found footprints, found a ton of hair, found twisted trees, sent me photos of all of the evidence that he collected. I invited him to come on. We did a quick YouTube video, showed his evidence. He talked about

where he collected his different pieces of evidence around this property. So if you get a chance to check that out. One of the other things I posted as a video, the Browns had sent me this photo. I've had it in my possession for a long time, but Sarah said it was okay to go ahead and post it. And it appears to be, I'll say a figure popping its head above the brush. It kind of looks like a gorilla popping its head above the brush. But if you get a chance, check that out too. I posted that Friday on the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Well, I want to welcome Skip to the show.

Skip, thanks for coming on tonight, man. I appreciate it. Oh, my pleasure. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be able to talk about this. Oh, I'm excited to have you on. Now, your encounter happened out there in Texas. Is that correct, back in 87?

Yeah, we, I live in a place in Texas. If you look at a map where the Gulf Coast, where Texas curves, the whole way down the Gulf of Mexico. We live just about exactly a little less than halfway down. They call it the coastal bend because of that. But we're about 30 miles off the coast and grown up here on my life. And we have, you know, a lot of oak tree-type woods around the rivers and stuff. But then there's a lot of what you would think of South Texas,

which is cactus and thorny mesquite trees. and a lot of real, real tough country. Yeah, it is tough country down there. Now, you were what, 18, 19? During the time of the country? Right. I was, I was about 19 years old. We have, I've always hunted and fished my entire life, a lot of my friends as well. and we have right outside of town is a creek that basically runs for a lot of miles,

and they ended up making a reservoir out of this too, but this creek is a very seasonal flow-type creek. You know, when it gets really hot in the summer, it kind of dries up to where there's just pools and things. but then, you know, sometimes in the year it's moving, you know, quite a bit. But what makes this such a different thing is it's got very sandy bed. And it's almost like a beach, very light-colored sand. In fact, a lot of the golf courses actually come down to this area to get a lot of sand for the sand traps and stuff.

And so we would take our jeeps down there, ATVs. down there and ride on the sand a lot. You know, we would fish there, swim and some. I mean, it was just one of those areas where a lot of high school kids and college kids would go for, you know, just for fun, big groups of people will go there. I got you. So kind of walk us into what you were doing and just walk us right into the encounter. Well, what I did was it was probably late summer.

I actually was going down there sort of on a date, believe it or not, and had kind of done this thing with a picnic where I had some food and, you know, basket and stuff like that. But what happened was for a long time, you were able to take your vehicle down on the sand like I was talking about. But at some point, I guess some people complained or something, and they put these children, giant concrete barriers up to where you could not drive down there anymore. So what happened is if you wanted to go down there, you had to park up by where there was a bridge

and then walk down under the bridge and then down wherever you wanted to go. So that's what we did. It's hard to try to explain this to words, but where the creek is and the very sandy area is spread out for, oh, man, 150, 200, 300, 300, at some point. And then on both sides, the land rises up probably 12, 15 feet to the regular, you know, pasture and ground areas where there's fences and they keep cattle and stuff like that.

And where we parked, we walked up on the top part, probably for a while, and then we went down the bank and across a really wide, beachy area. And that was a good spot that I had fish several times before and kind of set up the little area there. And this was probably already, you know, probably about 7, 715. So it was an hour before the sun went down. So it was a little cooler, you know, because, I mean, it's brutal hot here in August. You know, just out there, you know, eating, stuff like that and started getting dark. And I started kind of gathering some stuff together.

and she stepped away for a second to, you know, take, have to go to the restroom or something like that. And I just, I said, hey, I'm going to take a load up to my, up to my Jeep up here. So I grabbed a big armful of stuff and I think I had a cooler and some other stuff and started walking. Well, to get back up to the, to the high area, there was probably an empty space of sand that was,

oh man at least 75 yards across if not maybe even a little bit more but it was just very no no bushes or anything in this area it was just a sand bed and I just started across that

and I kind of heard like a I guess a grunt maybe like an exhale but it was just real deep sounding and it made me stop and I just instantly wrote it off as maybe a bull or a cow by the fence line because they were all around everywhere.

And I just wanted to make sure there wasn't one loose down there with me because I've been chased by a couple of bulls and that's no fun. Like I looked and didn't see anything, so I started again. And I heard it again, but this time I looked up and from the area where I was walking to, to go up, something kind of just burst out of where the fence was in some of the trees, and it was running upright, came down the hill in two steps, you know, where I would go really slowly down it because it was so steep. It just came flying down, hit the fan, completely dark all the way, flew across this open 75 yards of sand and came up to where the actual water of the creek was.

And it strides were really long. And then right before it got to the water, what was the cool part that I, I don't know why I remembered this so well, but it shortened its steps, I guess to get its jumping foot the right way, but it shortened its steps, jumped across probably 12-foot stream and it made it

but the other side was a little steeper and its foot just completely dug into that bank all the way up to almost its calf I guess the area and then jerked it out and continued back up and went up the other side

and I was just completely frozen stunned. I couldn't believe what I just saw. And right about that time that hit that other side and went up, I heard the girl I was with said, who was that? I turned around and I said, did you see that? And she goes, yeah, who was that?

Was there somebody messing around? And I guess I was smart because I did not say what I thought it could be. I just said, I don't know. I get some people running around out here. I just went, I did not go up and come back. I just went and grabbed stuff with her, and then we walked back up, and I was shaking. I was trying to kind of hide how scared I was and went up,

got in jeep, didn't see anything else, and drove away. And I got it the next day and drove straight back there and went straight back to where I was. and completely saw the area where it dug into the bank. There wasn't any kind of any details of any kind of print or anything, but I just wanted to just see it in the daytime, make sure I wasn't trying to, you know, put stuff in there that I'd saw. But here's the crazy thing, West,

that makes me really believe that I actually saw one of these creatures because I wasn't able to see a lot of detail, except that I thought that I saw a lot of hair. It was very dark, and it was bipedal. It probably wasn't. It was probably my size or a little bit bigger. I certainly didn't notice that it was some eight or nine foot thing. It was probably about 30 yards, 25, 30 yards from me at dusk.

Here's the thing, though, that makes me know that I cannot say that it was. a human. That sand is so deep. And when I say deep, it probably comes up. When you walk across it, you sink down probably six to eight inches of your leg in it. And if you ever walk in sand like that coming down a sand dune or something, it's incredibly difficult to walk across that. That's why we take our ATVs and jeeps down there to go through it because it will you could just do all kind of crazy stuff with vehicles because it was so deep. And lots of my friends were athletes in school, track runners. And I've seen them hundreds of times moving around on top of that sand.

And to say running across that would be difficult as an understatement. It's slow plotting steps. The sand goes out from under your feet. So, and the speed at which this thing covered this was indescribable. It would have been the equivalent of somebody sprinting on a track speed, didn't even react like there was deep sand there at all. And that's why I know that it wasn't just a normal thing. That's what gave me that feeling like, man, you're seeing something that maybe that you're not supposed to see,

or it's just that feeling inside that just instantly made my adrenaline spike, you know, when you start shaking. That's the part to me that stuck with me the whole time is how that it moved. And that, you know, I guess, I don't know about a running 12 or 15 foot jump. I'm not sure if that's a super long jumper or anything like that. I'm not saying that's what was so amazing. It's just a speed at which it covers. it is what stuck with me, you know, of how fast it was.

Was it running on two legs the whole time? It was running on two legs the whole time. And arms were down by its side. It was not pumping its arms like a runner would. You know how a human running would be using its fists, you know, to pump in front of them when they run. this thing's arms are down by its side, which was weird as well. And it was huffing as it was running. So it was making a very low like a, huh,

oh, hugh, like every time that it breathed. So that's all I could hear. It didn't make any other kind of sound. It was just breathing very heavy, and it had maybe a little bit of a sound to its breathing that it would. You know, I look back on this next, and all the things I know that I've, you know, listen to the show so many times and all this.

And now I second-guess myself, you know, man, should I have called out, made a noise, trying to make it stop to where I could have seen it more? Man, should I, you know, followed it kind of a thing. You know, all these different things that come into my mind. Of course, back then, there was no cell phones or, you know, digital cameras or any of that, I didn't have any of that kind of stuff.

You know, it was just a, I don't even know how we survived without digital stuff back in, but we did. Yeah, it's, uh, it's interesting. I wonder, it sounds like you almost startled the thing and it took off running, like it was sitting there watching

you guys and then you startled it. That's, that's what I thought of. I, that's exactly what I've always asked myself. Did, did we, was watching us the whole time. Nothing that I can think of seemed weird ever. Or maybe was it just one of those, maybe it was coming down to the water at the exact

same moment that I was, you know, going to start walking back up and we just ended up crossing paths. I don't know. I don't know. The more I listen to different encounters and things like that about how aware they are, if they're surrounding. I probably would lean toward that it was watching us. And maybe when I got up and left, maybe it felt like I was maybe putting it in a corner of where it wanted to go or something like.

I don't know that. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about that, but just pretty unbelievable. I can't say a thousand percent that that's what it was because it was so fast and so. so dark that I couldn't see a face. And I think that may be my main defining moment, if I saw one. But when I put my, when I put all the arguments and asked all the questions, it just had to be, just because of all the things I saw, especially about how fast it was, you know. Yeah, and that's a thing with when you see something like that.

I mean, did your girlfriend at the time or the person you're with at the time, did she ever go, I don't think that was a person, or did you guys ever talk about it when he left? No, I actually, she still lives around this area, and I've probably got to ask her at some point, because I made sure that we did not talk about that once we got in, because, man, if I would have probably said what I thought it was, that would have been probably the person last time, I would have ever take a girl down there. You know what I mean? Yeah, no. But it was, yeah, very weird. I don't know. That's one of the things that I questioned myself. I should have said, hey, I should have asked her.

What did you just see? I just know if she saw something because she said, who was that? And I said, did you see that? And she said, who was that? And I said, I don't know. Probably somebody's screwing around down here. but I knew good and well it probably wasn't somebody

you know one other thing I can tell you just besides knowing that it wasn't super super tall is it was very slim too it was not some wide thing that people talk about it was definitely athletic

and slim yeah a lot of the reports I get from that area that you're that you had your encounter and the Texas area in general you don't really get the monster size Sasquatch. A lot of people describe them as kind of having a runners build

and being, you know, I would say six to maybe eight feet tall. Of course, there's always exceptions. You always have people like him for and say, hey, I saw King Kong. But I would say from the most part, the average size is between six and eight feet tall. And a lot of people describe them as being kind of a runner's build, not really, you know, bigger than an average person, but not huge, you know what I mean? Not the bodybuilder monster. Right. Well, and that's, I would definitely say this was more of a runners build.

And I'll tell you one thing that maybe solidified my, my opinion on what I saw is this was, this was like, you know, 87-ish there. when I had already, you know, started in my work and I'd had kids and stuff like that, I actually was, and actually when the internet kind of got popular, you know, and started being on the computer looking up stories and stuff, I found, probably around 2003, 2004, found the BFRO. And when I went on there and went to regional sightings and I pulled up Texas, went down there, counties by name. And I found my county in 1997, so it would have been 10 years after I saw it, and somebody put an encounter the exact same bridge in the exact same spot where I had mine, that somebody put an encounter of that on there. So I was like, wow. So that was pretty wild. I was like, man, I wonder if they saw the same one, if they did. or if there were other ones right there too,

because it's just right there by the same bridge if somebody saw one 10 years later. Yeah, and it's interesting, too, down there in Texas, going back to the size. I get a lot of people who will contact me and go, I don't know if I saw a Bigfoot, but I think I saw an overgrown chimpanzee. You know, chimps don't have the gorilla size to them.

But that's interesting. So you found another people who were having encounters in that exact same spot. Yeah. And then I looked it up as well, and we have our neighboring counties, Goliad County, and found two people that had separate encounters there. My best friend that's pastor with me here has beautiful ranch in Carnes County in Kennedy, which is two counties over. And they had not had anything per se there, but it's beautiful. river-bottom country, and I've been there hunting many times. I've hunted, like I said,

all in different areas of South Texas my whole life with my dad and uncles and grandfather. And I've been very interested since I've become older of trying to figure out how these things would survive down here. And just looking at what is possible for them to eat, it makes perfectly good sense to me that they wouldn't be these heavy giant things, because there's just how they would have to eat seasonally here. I think they would have to be slim. And as hot as it gets, I think the whole everything about it, you know, I always wondered if they would have less hair here because it would be so hot and we had pretty mild winters, you know? So just a lot of questions that had asked me.

that I have. I know back in the early 1900s, there was a legend around here called the Wild Man of the Navidad, which is another river that goes through our area. And there was a five-year period of time where something was seen like crazy. There was a report, I think there was just, it was newspapers, people hunted it. It was a big, big legend. around South Texas in. It was called the Wild Man of the Navadadad. And, you know, I've done a lot of research. They still have that when they had parades down here in the little towns. They have a person all dressed up in a big foot costume and they put it in a cage and they say captured Wild Man of the Navadad, you know, they have. So that, that was our big kind of legend down here. And, you know, of course I've heard rumors of what that was and things like that. But I always, you know, just want to be a legend down here. And, you know, of course, I've heard rumors of what that was and things like that. But I always, you know, just want to just want to be a big, you know, wondered if that was a creature that happened to have a lot of encounters with people back then, you know? Yeah, that is interesting. There's definitely a rich history down there of Sasquatch.

And it's interesting, too, because down there, and, you know, the only I can really like it to is like Washington State. It's kind of a night and day when you talk to people. Down there, not a whole lot of people really talk about it, but there's this long history. I mean, if you get, if you really start digging in down there, you can find this long history of these quote unquote wild men just as much as you have here in Washington State. But it's interesting. But you're right, man. People don't, people will not talk about it. It's not something that you would just bring up here.

And, you know, just from the standpoint that it's not normal conversation. But, you know, I've had plenty of relatives and friends that have cattle. And, you know, just weird things happen that they automatically don't associate with that creature, but it very much could be, I guess, you know, like having cattle that they know we're pregnant. But then they show up and the calf is nowhere to be found kind of a thing. Farmers around here, we have great deer population. You know, I think if they survive here in a group that it has to be in the river bottoms, is what we call it here, the floodplains where all the rivers are. They just have to be.

There's no way they can move from water sources like that just because it gets so dry in the summer. So maybe they just move up and down South Texas through the river bottoms and migrate to where they find places, you know? Yeah. And going back to you know, you being a pastor, and I'm sure you can see when a lot of people see how these things move, like what you witnessed and what your friend, you're with, what she witnessed, how you see these things move. So sometimes people come right off and say it was paranormal. And can't you see how people would say that after what you saw and what you experienced? Not that you think it's paranormal, but I mean, it moved so, so freaking fast that it was like nothing you've ever. seen before. I think as humans, we jump to that.

But I really think these are a flesh and blood creature. You know what I mean? Especially in your situation, it just wanted to leave. It wanted out of there. And I've read and listened to tons of encounters and things about the paranormal side of this. And, you know, I can, I can 100% tell you that there was nothing. like that happened when I was standing there. I mean, I saw it. I saw sand to move, and I saw

where it's foot, you know, it was not floating for sure. But I guess I can definitely see how people would think that, especially maybe if they never could see their feet, because it was moving so fast, you know, and also being a pastor, I've done lots and lots of Bible studies and in reading my Bible. I've researched, you know, a lot of different opinions on things. And I know you dedicated a show, and I enjoyed it very much, by the way, on the whole, you know, the whole opinion of the Nephilim-type view on this thing and listen to some different people.

And, you know, I don't really have an opinion one way or another on what that is. I think it's extremely interesting, and I like to hear different viewpoints of that. But definitely in my quick little encounter there, there wasn't anything paranormal about it. It was just something moving, breathing fast, you know? Yeah, just trying to get away. Trying to get away. And not, I don't think it ever really looked at me. If it did, I certainly didn't catch it.

If it did, it was in mid-stride, didn't react to me. Of course, I was standing there with a picnic back, getting a cooler, and probably a red and white checkered picnic cloth looking like a moron standing there watching this thing. So I'm sure I didn't pose a threatening figure, you know, standing there. Yeah. No, I'm glad you liked the Nephilim show, man. I took a lot of heat for that Neffleum show. I got the impression most people hated it.

I think either people hated it. No, man, I like it. Yeah. Or they loved it. I loved it. I just loved it because I just enjoy listening to, you know, different views. I've heard, you know, Ron Moorehead's sounds and things.

And, you know, I think he hesitates to go all in on an interview of what he thinks it is. But I've got a sense of a lot of people think that that's what this is. You know from the Bible. I mean, the Nephloom ruled the, ruled the planet. They were gods and demigods, and these things are wild animals. I mean, they aren't gods. They aren't demigods. Yeah, that's sort of my argument is exactly too.

That's what it was. It certainly wouldn't be trying to eke out a living in the little scattered forests of the United States, I don't think. Yeah. And it sure is one of, it sure as heck wouldn't have ran from you if it wasn't actually. Excellent enough. I mean, they're going to turn around. There you go. There you go. Yeah, there you go. But, you know, there's just not that many things down here where I can, I've often thought I have a friend of mine that's kind of kind of into this as well. And we've thought about possibly having someone come down to speak and to see if we could try to get more people to come out with some encounters or something like that. We just haven't had a chance to do any of this. that at all. But I certainly appreciate you talking with me, man. Like I said, I'm a major listener of the show and love listening to all the different

encounters and stuff like that. I really love the most, man, is when you have someone on that is maybe an authority type figure or, you know, police officer or sheriff or park ranger or you've had some of those on before and talked about different things like that. It just, I like hearing that kind of stuff. I don't know if it adds a little bit of, of, of, authenticity to it when somebody has that sort of a job that, that when they have, you know, they talk about encounters and stuff like that, that you go, man, you know, it makes me think of a, that a lot of it's covered up as well. Yeah, and I think it is. You know, a lot of people,

heard in the past, they've asked to have their job titles not mentioned. You know, I've had aerospace engineers on. I had one guy on, and I won't say what show it was, but I'm sure the audience listening to him thought he was just some hillbilly from the backwoods. This guy was an, you know, aerospace engineer. He worked for NASA for several years, and all of that was left out of the show. Right. So a lot of those, you know, you're right. You get someone like that. who wants to come forward and say, hey, I saw this, this and this, but for whatever reason, doesn't want to say what they do for a living. And I understand that.

I get it. Sure. It does add more to it. And I have been working to get more law enforcement on. They're just as tough to get on as hunters. I would say hunters are even harder to get on than people in law enforcement, to be honest with you. Right. Wow.

I've never had any kind of experience hunting ever. as far as that. I've seen a mountain line once, which is really cool from my stand, but have not ever had any kind of thing like that, you know? Yeah. So, you know, as many hours and stuff as I've spent in deer stands and trees hunting, and I never see anything, but then I have a picnic and I see something. That's about, I guess, pretty typical. That's part for the course, man.

Yeah, there you go. but just an anxious person sitting here just keep keep watching and learning and seeing what's going on, you know. Yeah. Well, Skip, thank you for coming on. Thank you for sharing your encounter. It was an interesting encounter to hear, and it happens more than most people realize, and it happens to a lot more people that don't come forward. So thank you for coming forward and sharing your encounter.

Oh, my pleasure, man. I really appreciate it. Keep up for good work. Next on the show, I want to welcome, Jack McCarty. Jack is the author of Bigfoot Evidence. I cannot deny it. And it's available on Amazon as an e-book. I highly recommend it.

Jack, you got some great pictures in there. I enjoyed reading the encounters. I thought you did a great job over on the book. I really enjoyed reading it. Thank you. Appreciate it. And if you would, Jack, now you had two encounters. Let's start with the first one.

Kind of tell us what you were doing. Walk us into what you saw. Yeah, a friend and I liked a bear hunt. And so we were headed out into a part of the Rogue River wilderness. And we went way back into these old logging roads. And I had found an old cabin back there. and fruit trees. And they're still alive and producing fruit,

and they're fed by a little spring. So we were walking around there investigating and looking for bear sign, and we came upon a little, tiny little pond, kind of like the size of a kid's swimming pool. And had salamanders in it and stuff, and it's fed by a little spring. And so we kept walking up the road, and it had a lot of down trees across it, and the grass was kind of high.

And where the spring is were a lot of trees. And we noticed that there were a bunch of about 20-foot tall trees that are on an inch and a half, two inches around, that were just knocked down and pushed down. and pushed down to the ground and just kind of torn up there. And so we kind of looked at that and then walked out farther, another hundred feet, and you could see a big, like a pine tree farm that the forestry service has, and they fence them all, and so they can collect seeds and that kind of thing. and off to the right was the Rogue River, about 100 or 200 feet down the canyon. So we came back and walked down the road and noticed that this area where the trees were down,

there were bare tracks there, and there was a huge hole in the trees and the bush and stuff. and so we realized that that's a big bear that's playing around in there and tearing stuff up and so we started looking around more and we came on to a human-type footprint that was I have a habit of carrying around a time tape measure and you know just kind of stuff so I can look at tracks and measure. And this track was 17 inches long, six or seven inches wide at the toe mark. And it was sunk in the ground about an inch and a half or so.

And it was just huge sitting right there. And so we both looked at it and thought, wow, you know, there must be a couple bear in here. And one of them is just huge. and we noticed on a down tree that something had gotten on that tree and clawed bark in the back and in the front

and it was probably I don't know eight or nine feet apart where these scratch marks were because we looked around we saw some scratch marks about 12 feet up a standing pine tree and so we just, you know, kept looking around, found a couple more big footprints, and the forest was so thick there.

This is in southern Oregon. Let me ask you, Jack, at this point, are you still thinking bear, or do you have a knowledge of a big foot, and you're thinking, okay, well, this isn't a bear, this is a big foot? No, I'm really thinking this is just a giant bear, and they can get five, six hundred pounds, out in the forest, you know, if they're in a really old forest type setting where they're not harassed a lot, you know. And I'm thinking this is, you know, just a huge bear.

We started using a varmint call to call in bear and cougar like people use them for coyotes. And the forest was so thick that we didn't bear because it would have been on us, you know, without any notice. And so we just kind of left the area and kept wondering what, you know, what is this thing? And it probably wasn't until a year or two later that I was at a wild, kind of an animal part on the coast of Oregon. And I'm looking at these big bear in this enclosure. And one of the workers came by in.

And so I was talking to him, that's, well, how big are those bears? He said, they're about 600 pounds of feet. And I looked at their hind feet, and they weren't any bigger than my size 10. So that's when I really started thinking, wow, you know, this, is this a big footprint that we actually saw? So it was kind of the start of us starting to look for more tracks and starting to investigate Bigfoot. Was this the same time when you, on your way out, that you saw the creature standing by watching you guys? No, no, that was a few years later, and we had gone into the woods to call for bear or cooomers. or whatever comes in.

And when they do, they run in. And they're usually foaming at the mouth and, you know, popping their teeth. And they're hungry and they're coming in to eat this animal. Well, when we got done, we were walking out and we took a different trail than we normally did. I noticed this pine tree that was probably 20-something. feet tall. But it was broke off at about seven feet. I mean

just snapped off. It was probably three inches around. And thrown off 20 feet away. And so we started looking around and found a track right at the edge where the toes

kind of dug in the side of the trail. And I took pictures of it and I bent down my stuck my finger in to feel those toes and their bubbles just like ours. And it was, so then we started looking around and saw more tracks. And they were 17 inches long.

And they had a six foot stride. And we just were totally blown away by how big a stride it had, how big these were, and how it could just bust off a tree like that. that and throw it away. So when we got back in our vehicle, we were headed down the mountain and I was passenger and I'm just kind of looking off the side of the road and at the trees. And we came to this big open area and way down at the bottom, probably, oh, two, 300 feet down.

I see this monstrous big foot standing down there. He had one arm around the tree and he's got another arm out and he's looking at us, go by. And he was humongous. He had muscles,

incredible muscles. And he was, had a huge shoulders. And, you know, it was just it was shocking is what it was and what did you guys do did you guys stop well

you know by the time you get you know a car stopped and back um I didn't think he would be there because most animals you know they they'll see you go by

they you know when you stop and back up they're gone and so I was so shocked actually that I was telling my friend and he was kind of like, yeah, right. You know, so we didn't stop and go back.

I wish we had. Can you describe the creature? Can he kind of describe the... How close were you when he drove by? Oh, it was probably two or three hundred feet. He was, he's still ingrained in my brain. I would imagine if he was standing straight up, he was probably eight feet or more.

he probably had I'd say a good three and a half four foot wide shoulders his muscles on his arms just bulged kind of like you see a gorilla's arms

how big and muscular they are and he was hunched over and looking at us and he was all covered in hair he had kind of a a roundish face. I couldn't tell if he had a, like a cone head, like people say,

because his head was kind of back and he was looking up at us as we went by, just monsters. Now, I don't realize you're at two, 300 feet. Were you able to get any facial details? Not real clear. And we were driving by in the car, so it was just a, you know, a second or two. Yeah. I didn't think you could, but I thought I'd ask anyway. You know, you never know when he zero in on that.

Yeah. And your friend at the time, he didn't want to go back? He didn't. Well, we were probably a couple hundred feet down the road by the time I came to my senses and started telling my friend, you know, stop. I think I just saw a big foot. He didn't really want to stop. Yeah. And now you had another encounter in 2007. Yeah, that was in Utah, central Utah. I just kind of moved there probably had been a year or so. We were out on our four-wheelers, going for a ride up this creek. So we went as far as we could until we hit snow and kind of had some real challenges with the snow on the hills and stuff. And so we turned around and the sun was just going down over the mountains and still kind of light enough, you know.

And so as we were riding east down along the creek, I came down a trail. and when I came down this trail, it's right along the creek, and it's a small creek probably six, eight feet wide. I could see a fish or two darting around in the ponds, you know, little pools. And as I came around the corner, I see an arm outstretched.

And I see the hair, It's probably two or three inches hanging off this arm, and it's all lit up by the sun. So it's kind of a reddish golden color. And so I followed the arm down, and I saw its shoulder, and then its stomach, and then its legs. And it was doing the same thing that the other one did. It had an arm around the tree, and it was kind of hanging out. with an arm outstretched looking at me go by. I didn't really see a face on that one either.

It was kind of shadowy back there, and the sun was just lightened it up. I slammed on my brakes and threw it in reverse and went back, and it was gone. And I turned off my motor, and I just sat there for four or five minutes, trying to see if I could hear anything or, you know, anything running through the brush

and there was nothing. I think it was a juvenile because it was about my size, about five, six. I think it might have just gone back into the into the trees there where it was dark

because I didn't hear running off. And normally you'd hear any animal usually break in branches or whatever as they run off. So, you know, I know it's not, it wasn't a bear because I've hunted bears for 25 years. And I've seen them a stand up and, you know, it wasn't a bear. It was a human type form.

I'm looking through the book. I see the tracks of the bears. I see the tracks of the Sasquatch. You have some great evidence, especially with the tree twists and some really good evidence that you have collected. As you've had your sightings, as you've. you've looked into this, is there something that you've come across that was unique to these creatures that you found out through investigating all of this? Well, you know, they're not like your regular bear or cougar or bobcat or any of the predators.

I really think it's a predator. It's at the top of the food chain. but the thing with a cougar or a bear, coyotes, whatever it is, if they make eye contact as they see you or smell you, they take off running, they're gone. You probably won't see it again. With a cougar will also, though, if it thinks it hasn't been seen, we'll hang out and watch you for until you make eye contact with it or shoot at it. But, and a big foot will kind of hang out and do the same. I think, I think they're really curious on what we do.

And, and they can use, you know, they can use their arms, their hands for tree knocking. You know, they, they whistle like a human does. You know, it's, it's amazing how. how human-like they are. I mean, they can, they can throw stuff. They're much more intelligent in that way than a regular animal is out there. They can, you know, do a lot of things that we can do. And so, you know, they warn people with the stick knocks,

with throwing stuff at you. They'll even left charge you like, you know, Other animals do a bear will bluff charge you. An elephant will do that to scare you off. I think if you hang around after that, you're in serious trouble. It's just interesting how they live and they break these trees and they point them in different areas. They just do a lot of stuff that normal animals in the woods don't. Do you still go out in the field?

Oh, all the time. All the time. We actively go out as often as we can because, you know, for one day, I want to see another one again. And I enjoy being out there and seeing what's out there by looking at tracks and just all kinds of evidence that's out there. I really, my buddy and I really like to go. And we do it. And we still, you know, call in bear and mountain lion. And we've had Bigfoot come into that call.

You know, they're an animal. They're hungry. They do just what the bear and the cougar do. They're going to come in and take that animal that's dying away from whatever's killing it. Yeah, I think they're opportunistic, just like a bear, just like a cougar, just like almost any predator really is opportunistic. Oh, yeah. On the blog, I posted this hair, some of these hairs that Trey McAllister got from Tennessee. And he had posted a lot of footprints, a lot of tree breaks.

He had sent me some pictures of hairs. Did you get a chance to look at those? Yeah, I did. I just watched it last night. What do you think about those hairs? Yeah, they're definitely unusual. I could see hair on a bobble wire fence from an animal like that. Most, like a bear, wouldn't go through a bobwire fence.

But a big foot could probably step over that fence and leave hair. And so he said he had some of the... follicle on it. So that's good, you know, DNA evidence. Yeah, and see, he's smart to go out with gloves and baggies. I've carried deadlocked baggies for years and collected scat and different things. And, you know, you just turned inside out and grab it and sip it up. And, you don't, you know, destroy your damage to evidence.

Well, yeah, and he even took him two of that. I had a vet look at him and a vet was like, I have no idea what this thing is. I have no idea what this hair is. I've never seen anything like this before. And that's kind of the frustrating part. You know, when a lot of people come across evidence, and Trey did a great job out there with the way he collected the evidence

and taking pictures and he was explaining where he found this, where he found that. Yeah. But at the end of the day, what do you do with all of that? What do you do with the evidence? You know what I mean? Yeah, see, that's the hard part is that, you know, if you, what do you do unless you're rich, you know, you really can't do a whole lot with it. Even if you're rich, though, you go and have it tested and it comes back as, let's just say for the sake of argument, non-human primate, or primate or let's say it comes back human, whatever anyone out there wants to call it, then what do you do with it?

Well, that's it, you know, and if, it's, it. If, you know, it's going to take somebody to shoot one and bring it in. What's going to happen to it at that point, who knows? But personally, I wouldn't shoot one unless it was attacking me. Because I know they're out there. I know they're real. And I don't need to prove that to really to anybody. But it's going to take one for people to actually look at it

and some of these scientists and, you know, forensic people to look at it, test it, and say, oh, yeah, this is a big foot. Otherwise, what do you do with it? I mean, I've had lots of scat that I've brought home and stuck in the freezer, you know, and those kind of things. But after a year or two years, you think, well, do I really need this stuff in my freezer? Right. Yeah. I think that would have been my first question before I put it in the freezer. But, you know, it's, and that's the thing, it's like, what do you do with evidence?

You know, and I get a lot of heat. I get a lot of heat for saying that one needs to be shot, but at the end of the day, one needs to be shot. I hate to say, as I'm, you got to be careful shooting one, but I'm starting to go off what John Green's, what John Green used to say. If you see one, you should shoot it and shoot it with double up buck and then go finish it off with the slug and drag it in. I mean, that's, it's very, and it's sad. It's fresh, don't you think it's frustrating? I mean, you're, you're obviously a hunter, you're woodsman. You've, you've tracked bear. I can see it in your book where you've tracked bear, you track Cougar. Have you tried tracking these things down and getting video evidence of them?

I realize video evidence isn't going to be the end-all, be-all. Right. But have you ever thought about, hey, I'm going to track this thing down, and I'm going to try and get it on video? You know, I have. I mean, I've got a bionic ear. I've got both cameras. You know, I've got big cameras with, you know, video on it and everything.

My challenge is getting somebody to go with me to follow that thing. You know, after they see the tracks or see one, you know, they don't really want to go track it down and get pictures of it. So I would love to. I mean, I follow tracks into the woods. Yeah, that would be awesome to be able to do that. After your two sightings, you know, everyone has a theory on what these these sayings are. And there's no right or wrong answer. But what is your theory after you've had your two sightings,

looking at the tracks, looking at some of the evidence that you've looked at, some of the evidence you've actually put in your book? What have you theorized at this point? Well, you know, again, I think they're a predator. I think they're just an animal like any other animal that's put here on this earth that serves some kind of purpose. I don't know. and I think it's here to do whatever it's supposed to.

I mean, it's definitely the top predator in the woods. It knows how to hide. It's very sneaky and sly and it will sit and watch you. It'll chase you away. You know, it does a lot of the same things that the other predators do. I go out in the woods all the time. You hardly ever see a cougar or a bear. I mean, I've caught them, you know, just kind of by accident, come around a corner and see, seeing them.

But, you know, they know the minute you get out of your car, when you're in the forest, any animals, anywhere within hearing distance, know exactly where you are and that you're human. and so they can smell you. And so, you know, when we go into the woods, we go in full camouflage. We use cover scents and a dirt scent and something to kill your body odor. Sometimes we use a skunk scent around us, something to kill that human odor. And when you do that, you can go in and sit down and watch or try to. to sneak him. And, you know, you might get lucky enough to sneak up on something.

But they know you're here, and they know exactly where you are by just hearing the noises in the woods. I've seen this with lots of animals that we've called in. One of the big things is that they, the Blue Jays over on the West Coast or the magpie here are squirrels, gray squirrels over in the West Coast. As soon as they see a predator, they start to squat or chirp or make all kinds of noise, and they will actually follow that predator. And so I've had them do that with me.

As I've walked in the forest, they'll see me and start doing that. You know, and that's a warning sign to all the animals out there. You know, the predators over here. So run. Have you ever come across any structures? I haven't. Or if I had, I wasn't sure, you know, what it was. But I haven't seen any that just, you know, stand right out at me.

I've seen your, Anthony, I think it was, math. that showed those teepee structures. And I'm sure they're out there. I just haven't seen one. Yeah, one of the parts of your book, you talk about the Sasquatch eating, was it pine nuts? Yeah. I took a report one time. I think a lot of people sometimes are interested in what Bigfoot eat.

I took a report one time. A guy said he saw a Sasquatch. His description was right on, but he was a hunter. and he said it was eating the bark off a tree. And I was like, really, that seems kind of odd to eat the bark off a tree. And yeah, it was sitting there eating bark. And I remember I was talking to Bob Garrett. And I forget there's some bark that you can actually put in a stew where you can boil it and then drink the stuff that comes off of it.

And it's actually medicinal. Yeah. It's good for pain. It's good for, and I don't want to misquote Bob. but I forget what he said exactly it was. And I just thought that was interesting. You know, I've never heard of an encounter where they eat bark, but I think anything out there in the wild,

I think they're going to eat. I'm with you. I really think it's a predator. Yeah, and you know, I had a really strange experience here a few years ago. We were out elk hunting and we went to an area that where we could see a big, open mountain range with some junipers and a steep mountain

I could hear a knocking noise so I pulled my bionic ear out and I didn't have a digital recorder at the time I wish I had but I heard this I heard a sharp knock and then

a few seconds later three or four muffled you know kind of thing you know, and I thought, what is that? So we listened to it, and then every once in a while we hear a bark, it sounds just like a dog. So I thought, oh, there's got to be somebody camped up there

and, you know, chopping wood or something. So we kept listening to it, and I had a brother that was way up on the mountain in his four-wheeler, and he came back down and stopped talking to us, and I said, so anybody, on the mountain. He said, no, there's two guys way over on the other side. I said, there's somebody camped right up here. Because he knows that area

really well. He says, nobody camped over there. So I said, well, listen to this. So he listened to it. And then we had a whole pack of coyotes start barking and stuff. And then they quit. And then we kept hearing

the sharp knot. And then three or four muffled. marks and nothing for a few for a minute. So I asked him, what do you think is going on up there? And then it dawned on me. I said, wait a minute, are the pine nuts ripe right now? So we walked around, found a tree, and sure enough, the pine nuts were right. So this is just my theory.

I think we had a big foot up there that was knocking the combs out of the tree. smashing the cones up and eating the pine nuts. And that's what he was doing. And I think he was barking once in a while, hoping to get a coyote or something to come over and grab him. I mean, that's just, you know, you're out there in the woods and you hear these weird things and you have to sit and think, what could possibly be making that noise?

You know, it's not a bear or deer or elk. And so, and if it's not a human, what is it? Right. Was this all during the time when you had your camper rocked? No, that was another, another whole episode in a different area of Utah. But, yeah, that made my brother sit up and realize that, you know what, something to what his crazy brother's talking about is real. Because we had gone out, he had kept telling us, come over and let's call.

and these coyotes because there's a ton of coyotes over here. And so we went. He bribed us with a Dutch having dinner. We went over. We kind of called from there, you know, just to see if we could hear any coyotes in the area. And then went up, oh, half a mile from where he was camped. And he'd been up there cutting firewood. So we were driving up this road.

and seven or eight deer came flying out of the juniper's right towards us. We even had to stop and then turned off and ran a different length. My buddy and I thought that's really strange. Normally the deer had run away from not right at you. And so we went a little farther, got out, went and hid in some trees, and called for 15 minutes or so. and didn't hear any coyotes, didn't get any kind of reaction at all. So it was starting to get dark, so we went back and to where his motorhome was.

Always stood out there talking by this giant wood piling head and turned to go in to eat, and I tripped over a piece of fire when it fell down and hit my head. and tore a little skin off and some blood got on this piece of firewood. You know, I got up embarrassed and brushed myself off, and we went in and ate. And after that, we went out and it was dark. He wanted us to call to see if there were any coyotes because he kept saying there's tons of coyotes over here. We never saw one. So we called for a little bit and then left, and I left him with a car.

And so, here's a call. You, you know, call them in if they're here. And so he called me the next morning. He said, you know, last night after you guys left, it was probably half an hour later, we had a bunch of coyotes come in. They were running all right around the motorhome. Normally they don't do that. He said, then all of a sudden they were gone.

And I heard something out by my truck. And then I heard some pieces of firewood being thrown all over. He said, and the next thing he knew, something hit his motorhome. He had an old motorhome. A big old dodged, 27-foot motorhome. He said it shook the whole motorhome and even the step on where the door was by where it slammed into it rattled. and he flew out of bed with his gun, and he was thinking, if this thing's coming in after me, I'm just going to shoot through the door.

And then he decided to turn his generator on hoping to scare whatever it was off. And so, you know, the thing is that with this call, we've had numerous times after we've left an area. For example, we were in Oregon calling. We left, walked probably three-quarters of a mile down to our friends' horse crows and looks at the horses and then walked through back to his house. Well, the next day he went out to feed his horses, and one of his horses had claw marks on it.

And so the thing is that these animals can pinpoint right, where that noise is coming from. And whether they come in right now or come in later to investigate and to see if there's a dead animal there, you know, so things happen, you know, after, after we've done any call. Is there a particular wounded animal that you call? It's a William Carleton call, and it's a bear call. it sounds like a dying rabbit, just like a coyote call would,

but it's really loud and really raspy, and it can carry in the right spot. It can carry, the sound could carry a mile. And so the thing is, you go in and you call for up to an hour because it may take that animal that long to get to you. You know, it's interesting. I had a guy on from Oklahoma, and he did a, he said it was a dying, it's a cross between a dying rabbit and a dying bear. And he was doing this call, and he said he was doing it for about 45 minutes.

And he was sitting in the bush, just waiting. I don't know if you heard this show or not, but this guy's a professional game hunter. And what he said, what he saw coming was, basically he's describing a dog man. first it walked up on all four legs and then it stood up on two legs and was trying to find where that call was coming from. That's why I asked you that. That's interesting because he said almost word for word. That's the same type of call he uses and it brought this thing in.

It's probably Wayne's Bear call. You know, the last time we went out and called, I don't know how many months ago it was, October I think it was, my buddy was standing there because we always go with two people never go using that call

with one because it works so well that one person standing there is not really a threat to these animals two people

they really think about attacking you but we were calling and he said that he saw something big and black

at first he thought it was a young kennel walking down the road on all fours. He said, then it took off into the trees, probably 100 feet away from us, and walked around probably 100 some feet away in the tree line and growled kind of a, you'd say it was kind of like a a yell, growl noise that he heard. I didn't hear it because I was blowing on that call. And then he didn't hear anything else. It really shook him up because he said, I've never heard of bear do that.

Bear usually come in and now pop their teeth and growl at you. But he said he'd never heard this noise before out in the wood. I think it does. I think you've got to be careful for people out there listening. Be careful before you start going out and doing calls like this. I'd say stay armed before you do a call. Yeah, you really need to. Yeah.

Because I can tell, I already know people are going to go out and try it. And I hope they do try it. But be careful because you, it's like I always say, be careful what you wish for because you might just call something in that you were trying to call. But then you have a moment of, oops, I probably shouldn't have done that. Yeah, because you never know what's going to come in to those calls. I mean, you're calling and acting like you're a dying animal, and they come in because they think it's an easy kill,

take it away from somebody and eat it. And they mean business. And, you know, if somebody's interested in doing this, you need to go in and buy a Wayne Carlton call, and it comes with a CD and it shows you what it can do. And so you'll

realize that I mean, I take pepper spray big can of bare pepper spray that shoots big pieces of peppers out of it and I take my 44. I don't use a rifle anymore

because it's too close. So, yeah. And you never go by yourself to do that. Never. No, you're absolutely. It's just not a smart thing to do. Jack, thanks for coming on the show.

I really appreciate it. Appreciate you sharing your stories. And again, the book is Bigfoot Evidence. I cannot deny it by Jack McCarty. Jack, it's a great book. You have a lot of great pictures in there. You have a lot of great evidence that you collected. And it's available on Amazon.

So if you get a chance, it's a good read. Yep. Appreciate it. Thank you. Have a good day. That wraps it up for tonight. And if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, email me, West at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Thanks for listening, everyone.

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