SC EP:143 Nephilim Conspiracy Reloaded
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00:57It would have whipped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle,and no one in the damn thing I could have done about it.This thing I got to notice in its eyes.His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.You know, the look it was given me.What are you reporting?Jesus Christ, you better.Here, see ya.
01:31Hello.Get somebody out here.What's what on now, sir?That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.Do you see him now, sir?Yes, I'm looking right at him.Uh-oh.Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their accountants.
02:12Let's start the show.Welcome to the show, everyone.Thanks for being here tonight.I want to give a quick shout out toeveryone out there who sent me all of the nice feedback on Friday's show. I had Rocky Elmore on,and he is the retired Border Patrol agent who was speaking out, kind of sharing some of thedifferent Sasquatch stories, sharing some of the weird stories that happened to the men and womenof the Border Patrol. If you haven't heard that show, definitely go back and listen. Great show,
02:56and I want to thank Rocky again for being on. Tonight's going to be a little bit different than what younormally here. I try to keep the show on topic with the Sasquatch topic and have people on whoshare their encounters, talk about what they've experienced, and give people a platform to comeforward and talk about some of the different things that have happened to them. Every once in a while,I'll go off topic a little bit. If you go back and listen to episode 112, the Nephlam conspiracy,Originally I had Gary on the show because there's a lot of people out there who do believe in Sasquatch believe it exists, but they feel like it's the nephalum.I've heard it more than once from many, many researchers.And behind the scenes, they won't say it publicly, but behind the scenes, they'll tell you they think these things are the nephalum.
03:50So originally I brought Gary to the show and wanted to just talk about the nephalum.just kind of go through and give a description of what they were.And I learned a lot through that show.I hope that people who are into this topic walked away with some information that maybe they didn't have before.And if you get a chance, definitely pick up Gary's book.There's something for everyone in the book, but it all ties together.He brings it all full circle.And the book, again, it's called The Genesis 6 Conspiracy by Gary Wayne.
04:22I wanted to bring Gary back because I had additional questions for him regarding the book.And tonight we're going to mainly talk about secret societies, pre-flood, secret societies today,why there are secret societies, and just kind of talk about some of the different things in his book.And I really should have done it sooner.I didn't realize, I think, what am I on, episode 142, 143?And looking back, I was like, man, wasn't that far back.I did the show on episode 112 about the Nephlem.I feel like it was just a couple weeks ago I did the show.
04:59And so I apologize for the late part two to the Nephilim conspiracy.Again, in part one, episode 112, you know, I think we covered what the Nephlem were, what they looked like, the viper face, the giants.As you read through Gary's book, he starts to talk about, starting with Kane, he starts talking about,He starts talking about these secret societies and how they came about.You know, we have many different secret societies today, and it makes you wonder what knowledge do they have, how did they come about?And so we'll really get into that tonight.Gary, I absolutely love the book.I've actually read the book twice.
05:39I'm not a guy that'll just sit down and read a book from cover to cover, but I've done it twice with your book.And again, I absolutely love it.It's a story within a story, and you do a great job explaining every portion of the story,you know, coming from the Nephlam to knowledge that was given,these secret societies that were created.I absolutely love it.So thank you again, Gary, for being on tonight.Well, thank you, and I'm glad to be back.
06:08And, you know, that's one of the things I wanted to do when I wrote the book was,is not right such a fine, sort of narrow look at the giant,but look at the total implications and tell the whole storyas best as I could without making it too long of a book.But, you know, it is a large book.But, yeah, I really enjoyed connecting the dotsand showing people how all of this is sort of one storythat flows through right to our time and into the future.
06:42That's really what the book does.You know, this is normally a Bigfoot show, a Sasquatch show.And one of the reasons I originally had you on the show, and for people out there listening,if you go back and listen to episode 112, that's when I had Gary on and him and I really went in depth about the Nephlam.You know, a lot of researchers I talked to, a lot of people out there, Gary, I'll ask him, you know, while we're out, kind of behind the scenes.No one will really say it publicly, but a lot of well-known people,in the, I guess, Bigfoot world,they believe that Sasquatch is a nephilum.
07:17Now, I've always felt that not to be the case,because I've talked to so many people with different encounters.A lot of the encounters are very mundane-type encounters,and it seems to be more with a wild animal.But you do get a lot of weird things.I was just talking to a guy the other day,and it made me think of you and what we were talking about with the nephalum.He said he was out on his property,
07:40and he came across this giant.Now, basically, it was just an outline.He couldn't really see any details,but he said it had glowing red eyes.And I asked him, I said, like, eyes shine?Were he shining a light at it?Or he said, no, it had glowing red eyes,like it had an internal light source.
08:00You know, what this guy saw, we could talk about all day,but, I mean, we had varying opinions on what this guy saw.But what was interesting, one of the things I thought of,when he was talking about the glowing red eyes.You know, you and I talked about the nephalum,and we talked about their different features,but one of the things you brought upwas their father's being called the shining ones,
08:21the fallen angels being called the shining ones,and the nephalum eyes glowed.Not really connecting the dots here.I just immediately made me think of thatwhen you and I first talked.Well, and I would make up maybe a couple other connectionson that sighting as well.Again, not familiar with,
08:40with big foot and glowing eyes or things like that.But you have to understand that in prehistory,and particularly if you look at Greek history,it probably gives the best accounts of other beings being created,whether or not they're the centaurs or all these other,very, very strange animals that may have been created with DNA manipulationor other sort of copulations.however, these things are manifested.
09:11And if you bring into the fact as well,just sort of connect in that the giants of prehistorywere also very hairy and very rough skin.So there's a description that is reasonably closebeing large, hairy, rough skin,and they also were known to live in caveswhen they were hiding.So there are some references there.
09:35And also in the book I talk about watchand look for all the entertainment and literature that you read today and see today, whether it's movies or in this alien mythos, and with Star Wars in particular, where I'm going with this possible references, is they actually continue to record these types of beings in this type of entertainment.And so if you look at Star Wars and Star Wars is, you know, fresh in everybody's minds with the new series coming out, I think Star, Star, Star,starting in November, there's a very interesting character in Star Wars called Chabaca, if I've got the name correct.And I believe in this new series, he's going to be actually estimated as 200 years old.He's large, lives for long ages, and is very hairy.I don't look at any of that as coincidence.And so I think there's similarities between the Nephilim and beings that were created in prehistory.
10:35and there are lots of things to investigate on that to suggest that there is a relationship there.I certainly haven't gone down that road to make those connections with Bigfoot.But again, when you have Bigfoot, you know, sightings on every continent on Earth,and it goes right back into history, it's one of those things that, again,is a parallel story almost to the Nephilim, between the mythos,how long it's been around the size of them and the total mysteriousness of the Bigfoot.Yeah, I tend to agree with you.One of the things, though, that's different, I think, from the Nephilim and Bigfoot.
11:16There are a lot of similarities, but one of the major differences is, as you and I talked in the first episode,talking about some of the different appearances of the Nephilim, being viper-like in the faceand going back to, what was it, the seraphim, angel,and that's what that angel look like.And so hence that's what his sons would look like.But one of the things that is interesting about Sasquatch and the Nephlam,the Nephlam were more or less like rulers of the world.They were very powerful beings.
11:49But what's weird about Sasquatch is it seems to be very animalistic,very animal-like, kind of like a gorilla or a bear out running around.People have encounters with them.but the type of encounters that you hear from, I would say 90% of encounters, are nothing more than it was eating or they caught it off guard or it was drinking water or was crossing the road.You know, very animalistic type behaviors.Yeah, completely sort of different behavior and seemingly capability factor, not to dismiss that Sasquatch may not have some intelligence, but these Nephlam grew to be the rulers of the ancient world.I know in episode 112, we talked about their appearance, being heroes of old, men of renown.We talked about what the world was like pre-flood.
12:40We talked about some of the technology that they had.And then we got into the Royal Bloodlines.And we really didn't go too far into there's so much information on it.We didn't have time to really go into the Royal Bloodlines.One of the things I wanted to do, and this is going to be a little bit of a conspiracy,not necessarily Genesis 6 conspiracy, just a West Grimer conspiracy.We talked about the different families in power.And I want to start off with the Rothschild family.
13:09And then maybe have you, Gary, back up.We'll talk about the Illuminati.We'll talk about the Knights Templar and some of the families that are actually in power in this world.But what I thought was interesting was with the Rothschild family, they're the wealthiest family on the earth.I think their estimated worth is about $100 trillion.What's interesting is the central bank is owned and controlled by the Rothschild family.They run the central bank in every country in the world.But what was very, very interesting as I was reading through your book and I was doing some outside research.
13:52Back in 2000, there were seven countries that the Rothschild family did.have control over the central bank. The seven countries were North Korea, Iran, Cuba, Afghanistan,Iraq, Sudan, and Libya. And so how did the Rothschild family gain financial control over thosecountries? And we know back in 2001 there was 9-11, and we went into Afghanistan and Iraq. The Rothschildfamily actually gained control over those two countries' central bank. So it makes you wonder a little bit.You hope the U.S. wasn't a puppet. I guess with unlimited money and power, you can manipulate anyoneinto doing anything that you want. But what was interesting is they wanted control over Afghanistanand Iraq first. And being more of a religious country, they had to invade, which is a horrible
14:56excuse to go to war, if that's the case. But in 2003, Afghanistan and Iraq, central banks are nowunder control of the Rothschild family. In 2011, through the UN, control over the central banksof Sudan and Libya fell into the hands of the Rothschild family. And so what's interesting isthe last targets, if you're looking at this list, would be North Korea, Iran, and Iran,and Cuba. And in 2014, the United States changed its policy on Cuba. So instead of using force,they're trying to, I guess, befriend these countries. The Rothschild family wants control over.And they were able to get control over that central bank in Cuba. The other interesting part iswhat you see going on right now with Iran, how we're trying to befriend Iran, which seems,
15:56crazy when you think about it, how we, the nuclear deal that Obama did, and I don't want toget too much into the politics. But what's interesting, though, is that they're trying tobefriend Iran. And I thought something was going to happen with North Korea, with all thecyber attacks they were getting blamed for. But when you really start digging into this,and I recommend to the audience to go out there and do their own research, when you reallystart digging into this, it's pretty disturbing. But we,talk a little bit about the Rothschild family and then we kind of, maybe it's easier to back upand then come to the Rothschild family? Well, I like that introduction because, you know,
16:35and almost everything in the world, you know, I have to look at it from two perspectives asone is follow the power and two as follow the money. And if you notice a lot of those countriesthat the banking systems weren't cooperating, there were Muslim countries. And of course,they have a whole different perspective on lending money and not charging interest.and how that whole thing works.And so they held out for a long period of time based on the religious fervor, but themarch continues.And they find a way to overthrow countries, seize power, get a hold of the money system.
17:13And so now we're down to Iran and we're down to North Korea.Well, I don't know whether they're all that concerned about North Korea, but certainly Iran, you know, is one thatthey're going to find a way to get a hold of. So I would look for this treaty as probably the startof how they're going to plan an insurgency in there. But that's just my speculation.But those are the classic examples of the power of the Rothschilds. And you have to rememberthat the Rothschilds aren't at the apex. And I go into the book about the Rothschilds,And they actually came into this whole secret societies as probably had some of the innoble bloodlines,being German.
18:00The original names were Bauer, but they didn't become rich and famous until they attached themselves to the Freemasonry organizations and the bloodlines and became the banking arm to replace the Templars.And so the Rothschilds over the last, let's say, 300 and some odd years have been the banking arm to this conspiracy.And they literally partner with and bring into the fold other families and other people as they require.And if you look at North America and the U.S. in particular, they use these.families of stable of agents over here. And the best known names of those people who were funded bythe Rockefellers were people like, I'm sorry, funded by the Rothschilds were the Rockefellersand the J.P. Morgans and pretty much any other famous name of wealth in history, whether it wasCarnegie or you can literally go on and on and on. They funded them. And they funded them. And they funded
19:12them to create the United States as the model for world government, the model of the new Atlantisthat they want to bring about, that people talk about as the New Age of Aquarius or the evolvinginto the next level of evolution. And in Christianity, we would know that as the end time.And so you can see that there are two distinct sort of things playing out. There is,is polytheist side of the belief system and the monotheist side that are all talking about the same things.They just have different perspectives of what's going on.And so the Rothschilds are people that play a very, very integral role, but are, again, as I mentioned earlier, are not at the apex of power, although most people think they are.if you see the visibility of these people, as in this case, the Rothschilds, that means they want you to see them.
20:16It's the other families that you need to be concerned about.Yeah, the ones that you don't see.And the reason why I bring that up, and it's covered in the book, going back to the beginning,when we talked about the secret society conspiracy, starting with Kane and kind of going down the line,and you see it with all of these.I mean, it blows me away when I read some of this stuff.And you look at, like you said, follow the money, follow the power.It's kind of moving towards, I would imagine they're taking control of all of those banking systems as a way to possibly move to like a one world type government.
20:55I mean, if all the money is sitting in the same pot, it makes it that much easier.Correct.And so you have to look at the Rothschilds of the banking arm to the,conspiracy. And if you look at an organization that was around before the Rothschilds and theirbanking organizations, there's an organization that everybody's familiar with called the KnightsTemplar. And so in about 1308, and I believe the date was Friday the 13th, they were disassembled,but their wealth and many of their secrets were never found. But this was a very, very, verypowerful organization that we'll talk a little bit more about probably as we peel this onion back.
21:41But after that downfall, what the Knights Templars had created had to be replaced.And so banking was a key part of what the Templars did.The Templars actually invented our modern banking system, credit facilities, lending money,reasonable interest rates, funding wars, trade and commerce, being able to movemoney without actually using physical money, so bank notes. And so that had to be replaced.Other aspects that needed to be replaced by the Templar arm were the religious aspect, whichwent underground, and we know that as Gnosticism, and it also is resurfaced in the 1800szone as Theosophy, and is now sort of the common name is New Age. And all of that is just an Eastern
22:33religion. The other part that had to be replaced was the political arm. And that is where theycreated the knights that went over to Scotland with the Sinclair family founded Freemasonry toreplace the political arm. The political arm that works in pretty much all governments,most people are Freemasons or of a hierarchy on these secret societies.So you've got basically three aspects to the conspiracy besides the bloodlines.You've got the banking arm.You've got the political arm.And you've also got the religious arm.
23:17And they all work hand in hand.Yeah, and you talk about that in the section, the Bloodlines of the Grail.You want to talk a little bit more about the Sinclair's?I found the Sinclair family very, very fascinating.and kind of how they came aboutand then, I guessa Rothschilds would replace,I don't know if they would replace them or not.
23:36No, they would report to them.The Rothschilds are not as ennobled.They do claim bloodlines back to the ascenes,and again, there's two aspects to this whole thing.You've got the 6,000-year history of the bloodlinesof the Nephilim, and then you have this other aspectthat comes in at the crucifixion of Christ,where the other belief system believes that Jesus survived the blood or survived the cross
24:03and had a family and had children and these descendants married into these nephalum bloodlines.And so the Aseans are a very major player in the last 2,000 years,also known as the Princes of Jerusalem.And they link their descendency back into King David and through Moses.and they received their knowledge and religion through Great White Brotherhood of Heliopolis.And again, I'll explain all of that through the book.But getting back to the Sinclair's and the Rothschild,understand that the Sinclair's would be a very, very significant, noble bloodline.
24:50One of the 13 families of Europe that people really need to pay attention to.And so the Sinclair's, that actually wasn't their real name.It's the name that was changed.And in French, it was called the Sinclares.And the Sinclair's, although they're from Scotland today, as we know them,and found a Freemasonry, they actually date back to Rolo of Norway and the Vikingsand are part of the Viking royal bloodline.And of course, the Viking bloodlines are represented in King Arthur's table with Gawain,
25:29and as one of the kings of this roundtable of ringlords,because it's an allegory, a recreation of the ancient ringlord traditions in Sumeria of the Ananaki.You'll see that in the Tolkien movies and literature.And so when Rollo moved back, invaded Normandy, they did a treaty called Sier de Saint-Claire, as I recall it.I'd have to look it up.And so they adopted that name at that time as the St. Clairs.The St. Clair's then married into, from Normandy as well, additional bloodlines that were already in France.And that's where this whole thing sort of centers around it is in the French region of southwest France, very close to Spain.
26:23In a couple areas.One people might remember a Septmania, which was for a very long period of time, not under French rule.And so the Sinclair's were part of the original families, one of the 13 families, as their records were called, in 11 families,as standard history recalls that founded the Knights Templar.Where did the Freemasons fall into this?So after the fall of the Templars,many of the surviving Templars went to Scotland,and they received from King Bruce of Scotland security there
27:04so that they were protected from a Catholic acquisition on them.And at that time, Bruce was not right.recognized as a legitimate king of Rome. And so it was a perfect place for them to go. And from there,they wanted to reorganize, and they knew they couldn't call themselves Templars. And so the Sinclair'swere the grandmasters and the founders of this new society. And they were called Frank Masons.And you can translate that several ways, which one is French Masons and one would be Freemasons inthe translation. And obviously they took the Freemason translation to England.when they moved there. The higher Templars became part of the Rosicrucian order, which had also started
27:49a little earlier as well, but both of those worked actively to bring about a Freemasonry and an expansion,first to England and then to France and then the rest of the world. And of course, France and the United Stateswere the two big springboards to take Freemasonry to a level of power and influence. And the UnitedKingdom's empire was the perfect empire to get control of to export this society all around the world.You know, it's interesting as we talk about the secret societies.In the book, going back to, as everyone knows, Cain and Abel, Adam and Eve's sons,all of this really started with Cain.And there was a lot written about Cain more than I realized, you know, because I've read the Bible,
28:38and Cain's very limited in his appearances in the Bible.you know, God's not happy with his offerings.Next thing I know he's not happy with his brother.He kills his brother.He goes, you know, he's kind of a wise ass in front of God and says, you know, what, you know, he asks, where is Abel?Where's your brother?And, you know, he says, it's, hey, what am I his keeper?And so he gets sent off.
29:00And what's interesting is that's kind of the last you hear about Kane is from a biblical perspective.But if you read these other, especially within your book and the sources that, you'reyou cite and the information that you give, all of this began with Kane. As you read the book,it's the same story over and over and over and over again, going from the world getting to a badpoint being destroyed, these secret societies being created with Kane. Now we're talking aboutthe Rothschilds. We're talking about the Sinclair's. We're talking about how money's beingcontrolled in the world. And it's interesting because there's not really a huge difference betweenback then and today. Yeah. And, you know, most people are not aware of. And again,
29:51let's bring in this Freemasonry organization. And it wasn't, it was known as the Masonicorganizations of history and Freemasonry is sort of the latter sort of attachment to the name, but it was aMasonic organization. And this organization began with Kane and Enoch. And we, andwith them learning the seven sacred sciences.From these seven sacred sciences,they mixed a religion that was different than monotheism of Adam at that timeinto this powerful, powerful knowledge,knowledge that they still have today knowledge that they say would actually destroy the world,
30:30which is why they need to keep it secret,but knowledge that has unbelievable technology to help advance.man. And so it's one of the reasons why they control the science is they keep doling thisinformation out at a piece at a time to advance our society. We're seeing more and more of thatas we progress here. But this society also introduced religion and intermixed it intoinitiation and secrecy to keep it away from the mundane masses and to the bloodlines and thepeople that they would want to invite in. And so this was the beginning of Freemasonry. It's allrecorded in their legends and there's some very interesting writers from within freemasonry and one i like
31:13to use in the book albert macky actually wrote in the 1800s and he was a grand master and one of thosevery famous patriarchs within the craft and he put all of these legends into the book called thehistory of freemasonry and it talks so much about all of this prehistory and the organizationand Cain and Tuval Cain and Enoch.And so Enoch becomes this super patriarch.And you have to remember in the Bible that there are two Enochs.And that's really, really important because as we look at the books of Enoch that are resurfacingthrough the Nag Hammadi Library and other Gnostic sources, we have to be able to understand
31:58the difference between the Enoch from the descendants of Seth and Enoch's son of Kane.And they're two different people and two different belief systems.And so Enoch really develops this whole society, secret society.And actually, most people, including the secret societies, believe out of that organization, they built the pyramids and all these other great wonders that you see around the world.Not including the cities, though, that are older than this date, because in prehistory, it's the gods that built the great cities about 10,000 B.C. or before.And so this is the organization of Enoch and Cain and Tubal Cain that mixes with polytheism,that mixes with the descendants of Cain, that creates the Nephilim with the fallen angelsand creates this huge society, powerful society, technological society, and of course
32:58corrupt and violent society in prehistory that is wiped out by the first apocalypse.But what happens is, is everything is not lost.The information is recorded and stored in vaults and directions are put on a couple ofstella's.And there are actually survivors, and I'll document that in my book from the flood.And I'll actually actually document that biblically for the Christians that may be listening.You'd be surprised at how many races survived and how many types of giants survived.But this now partners at Babel.
33:34And Babel becomes the first Masonic execution of this knowledge after the flood,building this ziggurat for Nimrod.And Nimrod becomes the first Antichrist figure of the post-Diluvian world,the first king of everybody, of the known people,at least from a biblical perspective at that time.many partners with a fellow called Hermes who translates these hieroglyphs in cuneiform from prehistory,and they start this all over.And, of course, all of this now brings context to Babel and what happens after that with the dispersion.
34:17And if you want to understand the power of this knowledge, just look to the Babel narrativewhere it says if speaking in one language, they can do this.nothing is impossible for them, and I'm paraphrasing, not quoting.That's literally how powerful this information is.And then Hermes goes to Egypt, and Nimrod stays in Chaldea.And so you have what people will be familiar with the Magi and the wise men.Well, that's the carrying on of these secret societies and religions in Babylon and Chaldea and Assyria in that whole area.And then Hermes, who gets intermixed with Thoth and the religions of Egypt, he restarts everything in Egypt, which is why he has such fame.
35:05And all of this continued to go on after the flood.And very short after Babel, very shortly after Babel, the giants are of such numbers now.And they also partnered with Nibrod at Mabel, and I'll document that in the book as well.that they usurp all of the kingships again.And so now we have the very same things happening after the floodthat happened before the flood.So we've got these very powerful giants and their descendants,running the countries, running the empires,
35:39creating descendancy of royal bloods.You've got the knowledge that's being relearned and reworkedand being developed and hidden in secret societiesand you have this mystical religion that's growing up.back to the Freemasons for a moment, you know, they have so much power and they have so manyinfluential people that, you know, I've always wondered, what do they talk about behind closeddoors? And then you start seeing like the Illuminati pop up. And we can come back to this, butgoing back to what you were just saying, you know, with the Nimrod chapter and the Tower
36:10of Babel, I've always been fascinated with that story. And I've always been fascinated like withSodom and Gomorrah. You know, why was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed? I mean, it's, it doesn'tsee any worse than San Francisco, for example.I mean, I don't think there's anything worse that they mentioned in the Bible that was goingon in Sodom Gamora that you don't see.And sorry for all the listeners out in San Francisco.But you know what I mean?Any major city, I don't think we're really talking about any difference yet they were
36:38destroyed.And the chapter that you went in and talked about Saddam Gamora was really, really fascinating.I did enjoy the Nimrod chapter.And it's just, I know people might get lost as we're.We're talking about the Knights Templar, we're talking about the Sinclair's, we're talking about the Freemasons.But it's really no different than Nimrod's time.And like you said, there's that quote in the Bible where God says he has to confuse their languages because there's nothing they can't accomplish that they don't sit their minds to.So it makes you wonder what knowledge did they have at that time that was so troublesome.
37:16Yes, and it's knowledge from prehistory.And again, in the biblical account, people don't really connect.Why is Nibrod even around that narrative?And so I'll spend a lot of time on that.What's important about Nimrod for the modern conspiracies is he created the firstpost-Eluvian constitution that still used today.It was reformed under the Armana dynasty and the Great Right Weatherhood,somewhere between probably, let's say, let's say 1,300 to 1,500 BC.
37:46but it's essentially the same platform that Nimrod and Hermes had originally built.And again, I'll connect the Great Great Brotherhood into this mix as we walk through.But it's the same organization.It's the same descendants.It's the same religion.And they're trying to rebuild the Anteluvian Age.It's the new Aquarius.Yeah, and I think we can see that coming here in the near future, you know,
38:14with so many weird things that are happening.right now in this world. I honestly think we're going to see some even stranger things.Do you want to talk a little bit about the Illuminati?Without having me disappear?Yeah, well, let's hope that doesn't happen.So the Illuminati is an organization that started earlier than Freemasonry in its roots.Just a little bit before.but by the time of the American Revolution, which again I don't find is a coincidence,
38:50they had merged with the Freemasonry organization.And so what the Illuminati brought was one of the common beliefs that Freemasonry has beentrying to do even from the beginning of their organization is to form world governmentand one world religion, except that Illuminati would be more, I guess, fanatical or focused on that.And so they merged.And again, that's not quite.incidental that these forces came together at the time of the American Revolution and the French Revolution and played a big part in both.And so what has happened over time is the Illuminati has become the inner circle of Freemasonry.
39:31So you have the lower levels and you have adepts, but there's a very small inside circle within Freemasonry.And they're called the Illuminated Adepts.And these illuminated adepts are people that are enlightened in all of the doctrines of polytheism and luciferianism.And they are very, very powerful, but they are still not up the ladder and as ennobled as others are above them.And so the best of the Luminati are drafted into an organization which is higher called the Rosicrucians.And the Rosicrucians will have many, many representatives of the noble bloodlines, and they'll dominate this group.And they'll bring in the less ennobled bloodlines and those illuminated that they want into the Rosicrucian order.So the Illuminati and the Freemasonary groups are the more visible groups that you're going to see at work today.
40:37and they're the ones, you know, that organized like the Skull and Bone Society to draft people into and prepare them to go into all these organizations that they and the Freemasonry Freemasons have created like the CFR and the trilateral organization and any political movement that is moving towards other countries working together, this is spawned by these groups and they answer to the Rosicrucians who answer to the Rosicrucians who answer.answer to the Council of 300, who answer to the 13 families.Yeah, and all of this is covered in the book if people are starting to get lost.But it's fascinating because, like I said, you give six thousand year history from the beginningtill basically we're right now.And it's just disturbing to see the same thing over and over and over and over and over again.You know, we have these secret societies.We have one-world government.
41:40And none of this is really new.Nimrod was trying to do the same thing with the Tower of Babel.He was trying to create a one-world government at that time.And it seems like it's the same story over and over again.It is the same story.It's the same history.It's the same pre-history.It's the same agenda today.
41:57And they all talk.Again, it's just a matter of perspective.Are you a monotheist or are you a polytheist?you have the bleed system.And they both talk about the same things, just from a different perspective.Yeah, I watched this thing the other day about this member of the Illuminati.He's a little bit higher up than the Illuminati.But what happened was this guy went to one of their secret meetings, and he filmed it,
42:24but he filmed it from a distance.And they were talking about Lucifer.They were talking about knowledge.They were talking about power.They were talking about money.it was kind of a weirdI don't know if you've seen that GaryI'll have to send it to you
42:36it remind me something like you'd seethe Aztecs doingit was just a really weirdvideoit was a weirdit's the same religionyeah it was justit was disturbing
42:50but they had talked to this guybut he wouldn't talk about the Illuminatithey asked him about Luciferand he was sayinghe talked about dragonshe talked about serpentsbut he talked aboutLucifer being the good guy
43:04and was just trying to give us knowledgetrying to enlighten useveryone else has it wrongand that made me stop andtake a step back a little bit when Isaw this guy talking about thatYeah, I meanit's not that these people
43:20areI mean I'm sure some of them are butso many of them aren't this sort of overevil sort of thing they havea different belief system and their beliefsystem is that Lucifer isbeen maligned by Christians and the people of Israel and the Muslims and has been all throughouthistory.
43:40And he is not in, they believe that he is not inferior to God.They believe he is God's equal.And they believe in duality that forces of good, forces of evil.And we've all heard this over and over and over and over.But this is their true belief.And the reason why we hear these things over and over and over and over about this duality is, is because they keepfunding this belief system. And so they actually believe they can win. They actually believe they arethe people of light. And they actually believe that there will be a rendezvous with destiny called the
44:14end time and they will win. And that Lucifer is here to help free humankind from the enslavementthat God of the Christians and my God has put humanity under. So they haven't lost their minds.is they just believe something different.You're right.It does come down to belief because he was very sincere.You could tell this guy believed it.I mean, he believed that Lucifer was this good guy and that everyone else kind of has it wrong.It just blows me away when you read your book, The Genesis 6 Conspiracy, because you go into so many details beyond the Bible.
44:51You get a clear picture on what's going on based on other sources that kind of fill in the picture that you don't really get.it with the Bible. There is nothing in the Bible that isn't supposed to be there. Everything's therefor a reason. But it's nice to get this outlook from different writings and kind of fill in thepicture that you don't. Well, that's one thing that I wanted to do. And I wanted to bring credibilityto the genre of Deflam and do research that would bring credibility. But as I got into the furtherresearch and all of these secret societies and their agendas and the history of them is, II wanted that whether or not it was a secret society, it was another religion, it was a historian.I wanted them to utilize their own words.
45:38I wanted them to tell through my book what they believe happened, what they actually believe in,and what they believe will happen and what they're trying to do.In doing that, what it did for me was it told the same story as everything that's written from Genesis to Revelation in the Bible.but from their perspective.And so I measure everything in the book against a Christian perspective and balance it againstwhat's written in the Bible.But it's just amazing that, and it doesn't matter what culture.It's the same story all the way through history to the end time.
46:18The book, again, is called The Genesis 6 Conspiracy by Gary Wayne.It's available on Amazon.It's available on Barnes & Noble's.I highly, highly recommend that everyone go out, pick up a copy.There's something for everyone in this book.One of the things I wanted to ask you about,the fallen angels were talked about as being the watchers.And that term is thrown around a lot.
46:41The watchers, they were the watchers.What's interesting in the alien phenomenon is they're also called the watchers.What is your take on what's going on in the world today regarding aliens?I mean, I know some people listening might blow it off and go, well, that doesn't exist,but there is more and more and more videos coming out.There is more and more witnesses coming out,and the witnesses all have the same anecdotal story about what happened to them.But it ties in a lot with what originally happened pre-flood.
47:14What's your take on aliens today?What's your take on what's going on?I spend a little bit of time in the book about aliens.I didn't want it's such a large genre in itself.that I didn't want it to go down this rabbit trail that was going to sort of be in a completely different direction.But I could not discount the connections between the alien mythos and the Nephilim mythos.And so if we look at what's going on today, there are just way, way, way too many stories encounters focus on it.And so you have to say something's going on.
47:54Either it's contrived or there's legitimate aliens.And I would note that even the Vatican recognizes that aliens are likely to exist.And there's a lot of speculation that this month that Francis is actually going to speak to that.They have a department set up where they attract this information.And they believe the size of the universe and everything else that aliens.kind of have to exist.What is, for sure, I think, is that it's leading us to a revelation where the aliens are goingto be introduced to us.
48:34I think all of this is, whether it's, and again, we see so much of it in entertainmentand literature that I think it's preparing us for this day where we find out that we'renot the only ones in the universe, and we're going to be welcome into this.Table of Galactic Species, sort of what you saw on the Babylon 5 series or Star Trek or any of the science fiction's ones.Not only are we part of a larger organization, but there's world government.And in all of these science fiction shows that portray what I believe is coming from these secret societies to give us the propaganda is the religion.Because it's the religion that they believe them that's always part of this, that new age,of religion. So that's always a key part of it. There's some other connections, though,
49:27with my book in the aliens that maybe I ought to touch on because this will be part of theend-day delusion that we get and part of the rebellion that people are diluted into as beingpart of the freedom fighters of the universe, I believe, to fight against God and his angelsbecause you're going to again see that we're going to be presented with two sides.And you've heard about earlier in the show about Lucifer being the good God trying to freehumankind.This is the rebellion that Revelation talks about.And so in Revelation, everybody knows about Armageddon, so there's a day of destiny coming.
50:09And so world government hooking up with this other species, whether or not they are legitimatespecies or they are fallen angels just taking a different form, whether or not they'rebeings from that have been around for a long period of time.I'm not overly concerned about that.What I do recognize is they teach the same doctrines.And you see that in the entertainment.And you see that in anything that's connected to the alien phenomena.And they've got this knowledge to give us.
50:42And they want us to take us to another level and evolve into.God. So we're talking about all of the same things. I think, though, that we need to understand thisis not a contemporary phenomena. I think this phenomena, particularly with aliens or the grays asthey've become the known, has been with us for a long period of time. And in the book, I'm going totalk about fairy mythology. And so fairies seem to me have a connection to these little grays. And theyalso have a direct connection to the Nephilim. And so if you go to an original, and I'll get to thatquite as quick as I can, if you go back to the original part of the mythology of fairies, there werefour different kinds of fairies. One is the ones that came from other planets, and they were
51:33shining opalescent beings, and they had wings, and they were immortal, and they had this hugeknowledge. The second set of fairies is the ones that they created called the Earth-born fairies.And so they would be like the Anunaki or the Nephilim.They were also shining beings.And they were also godlike.And then there was two classes of little people.And in the one class of little people, there are three.And inside of that three classifications, there's one called the Grey Neighbor.
52:04Now, what's really interesting about the Grey Neighbor fairies is they have the exact same description as modern grays.They flew in flying machines.they kidnap people.They did experiments on them.They were in mythology trying to get new blood into their species to be able to reproduce.So again, all of the same story.The kidnapped victims would be returned and they wouldn't have any memories of this.So I think we've seen these little rays throughout our history.
52:38And I believe they go back into prehistory of beings that were created.I don't think they're the fallen angels.I think they were another being.And again, if you go back to the propaganda literature,look at Tolkien or look at anything that's got little people in ancient history,whether it's Greek mythology or not, they're talking about little people.And so in Tolkien, you've got the elves and you've got the Knowles,you've got all of these different other people.
53:07And what's really interesting about Tolkien,it mixes in the Ringlord analogy,and then you've got the wizards of the religion.that come from Atlantis and is also part of the King Arthur religion.So you can see that there are so many connections in the alien phenomena to what has happenedinto history, what is going on in our literature, how the religions are the same.It's really hard not to say that they're not directly connected.Yeah, and I tend to agree.
53:37You know, when I was reading that section in your book about the fairies, like I said,it kind of blew my mind.I felt like I was reading an alien book.You know, I mean, we're talking about the same thing we're talking about today.They just had a different name for them.And but what they did, what they look like, their behavior really is the same as it was back then.Nothing really has changed.It's new to us because we only live to be 70, 80 years old.
54:01So it's kind of a new phenomenon.But if you go back and you look historically, it's kind of disturbing, really.I mean, it really is the same story.You don't think the grays are.fallen angels? I don't think so. I mean, they could be becausefallen angels are known to have shape-shifting capabilityin the physical realm. I just don't know why they would take such anodd shape. Well, and that might go back to, and I'm just speculating
54:28here, but like how we talked about the seraphones or what you talk about in the bookhow they look like vipers. And the first time you and I talkedabout that back on episode 12, it kind of blew my mind a little bitwith the nephalum, you know, having this viper looking, look to them, having the elongatedskulls, having the, just the appearance of them must have been terrifying.But what's interesting is when they pull up a lot of these skulls, you know, in Peru,and they're obviously bigger than what most people describe gray aliens.But I would imagine that it kind of looks the same as what an gray alien skull would look
55:05like, really.Yeah, it really is.it is that elongated lookand you've got thoseslanted eyes that the Nephilimhad and in a lot of the depictionsthat we hear aboutthese gray aliens have got these
55:20glowing eyes butI think theseraphim angels weremuch larger. Well, I knowthey're much larger.So that's why I lean a little bit moretowards, I mean, also recognizingmy shape shift
55:35and I'll give a biblical example.of that in a second is I think they created other beings in prehistory and these ones werepart of the ones that survived and so again you get into fairy lore and you learn about these portalsknolls very noles and these are and in king arthur the ladies of the lake guard theseportals to the other world and part of the alien mythology is is you know a lot of these shipscome through these portals from another dimension and so anne win andin the Grail mythology is all part of that.So from a biblical perspective, you don't hear this shape-shifting doctrine,
56:18but if you look at the Sodom and Gomorrah narrative,and I didn't include this in my book,but the three people that go to Abraham,who are going to inspect and see what's going on in Sodom,they look like mint.So I think if anybody thinks that in the physical world,that angels, because those are three angels,that were sent and brought the destruction of Sodom,
56:42think that angels don't have the ability to take different forms.That, to me, is probably the most clear aspectthat they can take any shape they want in the physical world.Yeah, I never thought about that before.I really never thought.You know, as you and I talked about the seraphim angel,like I said, looking like a viper.And you're right.
57:00When the three showed up with Abraham, they look like men.I just think with the, and we can get off the alien topic here in a little bit,but I just wanted to make one last point.What's interesting to me about the alien phenomenon,especially as I went through and read your book,and we talked about the Nephilim.Creating the Nephilim was to mess up the bloodline.They were trying to create freaks of nature.
57:25There's more to it, but basically they were creating these other beings,and they called them the nephalum.They were between the angels and the humans,and they created the nephalum.What's interesting is with a lot of the alien phenomenon,when these people are taken up into these crafts,they're impregnated, or there's tons of anecdotal stories,they're shown a being that was created between the aliens and the human,
57:50and it's some hybrid cross between the grays and these humans.But they're shown this being that was created.And, you know, as I read through, you know, like in,they talk about the Bible, in the end of days,it will be just like in the days of Noah,And as you and I talked about, what does that mean like the days of Noah?Just things will be bad.But there's a lot more to it than just things were bad.
58:16And the Nephilim were one of the major causes of the flood and God stepping in because of these freaks of nature that were created.And you just see that same anecdotal story to me.Maybe I'm connecting the dots here and I shouldn't be.But you just see the same narrative being told by these people that was going on in the past with,these freaks of nature being created.Yeah, and I think you're exactly on point.And when we look at if the end time are going to be like the days of Noah,these were, the nephalem are hybrid beings from the angels and in human females.
58:57And the aliens, we hear about DNA manipulation to create hybrids.It's the same type of idea.So I think we're going to see Nephilim of some form in the end days as being the powerful pontentates of the 10 empire of the last days.But they don't necessarily have to be 16 feet tall.They could be the descendants of the Nephlem through the bloodlines, which are actively working to get control of the world.It could be aliens doing DNA manipulation.It could be the people are.familiar with revelations where the key to the abyss is open, that's where the fallen angels
59:41were locked up until the end time, and they're going to be released in the end time.They may create new nephilum.So there's lots of different, and with our own technology, with gene manipulation andunderstanding of DNA and electronic parts in this whole transhumanism thing that we're seeingthat's really popular today.we have the ability to create our own type of Nephlo.And I'll go into the book.It's called the New Man Concept.
01:00:10And again, this idea has been around forever that the belief system of the secret societies is to evolve into a higher level of human that's godlike.And so it plays into that belief system.And if we go back just not that long ago, less than 100 years, there was a significantmovement within Theosophy that it was very popular in North America and Europe, and they wereplaying with genetics themselves, only just through bloodlines to create the super race.And they were eliminating people that they thought were inferior in that belief system.And so this new man thing that the Nazis came up came right out of that belief system,right out of the same organizations and funded by all of these organizations and people that
01:01:02we've been talking about earlier.And they were trying to implement the Nazis, a thousand-year reign that would emulatea thousand years of, that's in revelation, because the Third Reich stands for a thousandyear reign.This, this again is not a coincidence.It's what they've been trying to do right from the beginning.That's why I have a whole chapter devoted to them in my book, because, you know,Hitler looked at himself as a mazianic figure, and he did a Holocaust with the Jews, similar to what's going to happen in the end time.
01:01:41If you want to learn about the end time, learn about the religion that took over Germany and the Nazi movement, totally occultic, and the destruction that came with it in every aspect.We will see this replayed in the end time.going back to what you were just saying about the Third Reich and things that were going on pre-flood with the Nephilim running the world.Everything was done through the nephalum.The food, money, power, everything was done through the nephalum.And Noah seemed like to be the only guy running around that wouldn't buy into this one world view government or, you know, all the things that were going on at that time.He wouldn't buy into it.And I just had a conversation with someone the other day.
01:02:26and we were talking about the mark of the beast,what Revelation talks about,and really what does that mean, the mark of the beast?But I was watching this thing on the Internet the other daythat they're doing over in Europe,where they're implanting chips into your wrist,and everything will be done through that chip.You're banking, you can get into work,
01:02:47you're going to be able to start your car,everything's going to be done with this chip.All your information is on this chip.They can track you around the globe,wherever you're at,with this chip.The technology they had backand pre-flood,
01:02:59I'm sure,is way beyond anythingwe'd comprehend.But I think we're gettingto the point todaywhere we're gettingkind of close.It shows you
01:03:07how hard it's going to be.Yes.If you don't havesomething like that,how are you going to buyyour food?I agree.How are you going to get
01:03:14into work?How are you going to drive your car?You know,everything's going to be done.You can't.Yeah, exactly.You'll starve today.And they'll track you down.
01:03:22And, of course,if you don't take the chip,they're going to behead you, at least according to revelations.There's so many things I could sit and talk to you about in the book.There's so much information.I mean, we could do a show every day on this for the next year.There's that much information in the book.You could take a few chapters at a time and just talk forever on them.
01:03:44I wanted to comment a little bit on that chip a little bit.You know, when they scan that and it comes up, it comes up in a barcode,similar to a barcode that is on all products that are sold.And I don't know whether anybody's ever talked to you aboutthat there's numbers that are on those barcodes.There's three sets of those numbers that they use to do these codings.And so you'll see a couple different forms of UPC codes out there.One will have two sets of numbers
01:04:14and one will just be one set of numbers as they put them on product.but in the second set of the three sets of numbers with correlation barcode lines is a number six, of course, and it's a straight parallel line.And if you look on any barcode, you will see there are three barcodes that are never numbered.And typically they are on both ends and in the middle.And on the two-set one, it's easier to see because that middle one,come straight through and it's a little bit longer and same with the two on the end they'll beidentical to that and that number is six so you've got three sixes that are never numbered on theUPC code and they're using that on these chips and the banking system has who runs the smart
01:05:07chips are using the same type of system and they've already concluded that the only way they can getsecurity in the credit card system and get rid of all of thethe corruption and the illegal use of it is to put a chip in your right hand in your forehead.The only thing preventing them on implementing that is the acceptability of it.And so you're going to continue to see more of this type of technology used on the fringesso that at some point in time people will say, yes, this makes sense.You know what's weird with the government and with the secret societies,whenever they want to implement something, kind of like how I talked about the Rothschild family,
01:05:49And I got to be careful about saying 9-11 was an inside job because people died.So you kind of got to walk a fine line with that.But whenever they want to implement something, they usually scare the public or in some way force the public to move into that direction.You know, like going into Afghanistan and Iraq.if 9-11 in order to control those world banksthat the banking system, the Rothschild family,that they didn't have control over,there had to be a reason to go in
01:06:21and invade those countries and take that.And so it makes you really stopand wonder about a lot of things.Yes. Again, and not that we can prove it,but also follow the money onthis thing as well.If you look at at that point in time, the U.S. was in surplus and they weren't borrowing money.And all of a sudden, now you create these wars and you need money and you go into debt, which is, you know, has not stopped.
01:06:55And the bankers are just absolutely thrilled about that.Well, and it's just like going back to the chip thing, you were saying, you know, we've moved to the point to where no one carries cash, we all carry cards.and they're going to use some excuse like fraud or get rid of corruption and most people will buy into it.You know, the masses will buy into stuff.Well, and then the other thing that they can do is once they have everything sort of in electronic transactionsand that's the only way it can happen is they can take a tribute off of every transaction like the value-added tax.Yeah, and I never thought about that.And with all the talk about reforming the tax system.
01:07:33So they'll take a tribute.Once everything is sort of working the way that they want with world government, they introduce the cashless society, then they're going to get paid for that.There's a huge parallel between pre-flood and what's going on today.Huge parallel.And if you open your eyes and you look into a lot of these different phenomena that's going on around the world, it's like I said, it'll blow your mind.Because if you do your research, go back, look at what's going on pre-flood, look at what's going on today.kind of the same thing is going on.And all other religions of the world predict a Messiah coming.
01:08:09We're the only religion as Christians to believe our Messiah has come and he's coming again.All of them believe that this Messiah, whether it's the Makti in fascist Islam or any other ones,Lord Metrea from Eastern religions, will come in the end time and there will be an apocalypse by fire.And in these belief systems, we are in the age of Aquarius.And there was all of this 2012 scare stuff.It's true that in their belief system that an apocalypse by fire will come in the age of Aquarius,but an age is 2,320 years.So I believe it comes early in the age of Aquarius, but early could be 20 years, 50 years, 100 years.
01:08:55So people really got sort of riled up about misunderstanding.what was written in some of those other religions, and particularly the Mayan and Aztec religion.But understand that this is, again, this is a common story or narrative in all religions about an apocalypse of fire.Yeah, and it's interesting, too, is if you go back and you read what the Aztecs wrote, what the Mayans wrote, what all these ancient cultures wrote,they weren't saying the end of the world's coming in 2012.That was misconstrued.what they were saying it was the ending of an epic in 2012.Yes.
01:09:32Yeah, but there was some warning, and I'll have to do a little bit more research on this,there was some warning between 2012 and I think 2015, or I'm sorry, 2016,that they were giving.I have to go back and research that before I speak intelligently on it.Yeah, and again, I certainly would not be surprised of that.I haven't come across that myself, but that lines up a lot with a lot of other religionsthat will look at, you know, a timeframe between 2017 and 2013that sort of focus in on a likelihood of the stuff coming together.
01:10:10The book, again, is called the Genesis 6 conspiracy.I highly recommend it.I absolutely love the book.There's so much information, like I said, pre-flood,pass the flood to today.And I know we're kind of all over the board.on some of the conversations tonight, but Gary goes into details, and every chapter is a storywithin a story, within a story. And so, you know, as you go through the chapters, he brings you
01:10:38back and ties it into what you read two chapters ago and kind of gives you more details on whathe's already showed you. He gives you more details, so it's not just a dump of informationalat once. And I absolutely love the book. I highly,recommend it to anyone out there listening. I realize that this is mainly a Sasquatch show. As I wastelling you, Gary, a lot of people think Sasquatch is a nephilum, and I tend to disagree with that.And I wanted to show through doing a show like this, and like we did with episode 112,what the nephalum really are and what they were back in the day. How does that apply to today,and the time that we're living in today.
01:11:26And I can't thank you enough for coming on the show.Well, I want to thank you for bringing me back to the show.It certainly enjoyed the discussion.I hope everybody out there enjoyed it.And there's so much more to the book.It is written, as you said, stories within stories,then there's 98 chapters so that you can read it and come backand keep going forward and you can go back to other chapters
01:11:52if you need to go back.and easily find that information.There's more information for people who are interested on my website,www.org, genesis6 conspiracy.com.That's www.w.w. genesis6 conspiracy.com.I've got a little write-up on every chapter in the book on site there.There's links to Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble.com to buy a hardcover or soft coveror to order a signed copy.
01:12:24There's also a link there to buy the Kindle version.If you're interested in purchasing elsewhere,it's available on most online bookstores like BM or Books a Million or Target or Walmart.com.It's also available through Christian bookstores.It's distributed through Sun the Light distribution,so it's available through all Christian stores and soft cover copy around the United States.Yeah, and like I said, you tie in everything.I know we're kind of all over the board on some things, but you go into way more details
01:12:58in what we talked about tonight, but you go from the Nephilim to secret societies to thingsgoing, you know, different families, world bloodlines, to things going on today.And you lay it out in a very chronological order.And you touch on different phenomenons going on.So, I mean, there really is something for everyone in this book, and I highly recommend it.Thank you.And again, that's one of the things I want to do.was to connect more dots than have ever been connected before in this genre and bring more
01:13:27information about it and new information about it. And I think from the feedback I'm getting fromthe readers is most people are quite surprised, A, at the size of the book, and B, at how muchinformation is in there and how much just keeps coming at them and most of it's new.The book again is called the Genesis 6 Conspiracy by Gary Wayne. Great book. Thank you, Gary,for coming back to the show. And I want to thank the audience, too, for allowing me to go off topic.I just had to have Gary back to do a follow-up conversation on some of the topics we didn't get to talk about in his book the first time around.If you missed it again, it's episode 112, The Nephilim Conspiracy.Next week, we return to Sasquatch, what everyone out there loves.
01:14:13I was contacted by a law enforcement gentleman who had kind of a scary encounter, and I'm working on getting him on the show.I will give you an update on the blog on the website.And again, if you've had a Sasquatch Encounter and you'd like to be on the show, email me.My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.If you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com.Have a great night, and I will see you next time.It goes above and beyond.I was hit by a tire in the front end of my car and did a substantial amount of damage.
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