Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:145 Tribal Police and Sasquatch

Episode Date: September 13, 2015

I will be speaking to Chris who was with the Indian tribal police for many years. Indian tribal police are peace officers hired by those Native American tribes which have a constitutional government on reservations, as opposed to hereditary chiefs. I spoke to him yesterday and he is going to come on the show and talk about some of the calls he received while on duty regarding Sasquatch. Chris still investigates reports today and is going to share some of those encounter stories as well. I will also be speaking to the father of the son who had an encounter just a few weeks ago. His son is still upset over the encounter below and who can blame him. The report goes as follows: "My 15 year old son and his friend had left the camp to head down to the lake. As they were standing by the lake they heard something come down off of the ridge-line, my son turned around and was about 30 feet away from what he describes as an ape. The boys came running into camp, both white as ghosts. My son and his friend demanded that we leave. They were both in shock and shaking. I was finally able to calm them down enough to have them explain what happen. The boys said as they turned around they saw this HUGE thing staring at them. My son said it was taller then the basketball player Lebron James. Its head was round like a watermelon, his nose was flat and wide. The jaw on the creature was really wide, It was built like a bodybuilder. The creature was massive and ape-like in appearance. The boys said this thing just stood there starring at them. What has me puzzled is we have seen bear, cougar and the normal wildlife but both boys said it was ape-like.They were both terrified and shaking. After seeing the boys reaction and how upset both boys still are I really think they saw something. My son says he doesn't want to ever go in the woods again and wishes he would have never seen it."

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Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I've got a great show plan for you this evening. I have two guests coming up. My second guest this evening is Chris, and Chris used to be a special agent for the tribal police. He's since retired, but he'll be sharing with us a lot of encounter stories around the reservation, some encounter stories that he was called out to while he was with the force.

So it should be a very fascinating night. My first guest is Ron, and his son, he was out. camping. They had a family camping trip out at the Mount Baker area. And this just happened a few weeks ago. And his son and his friend had run into a Sasquatch. And he talks about what his son saw, talks about how his son's feeling. Very fascinating. I think his son's dead on with his description. Should be a great night tonight. Before we get to that, though, if you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out the website, saskwatch Chronicles.com. There's a daily blog, additional shows, there's forums. It's a cool place to go to share stories. It's a cool place to go to share information. So I really hope if you get a chance to check it out. Well, let's get to it tonight. I want to welcome Ron to the show.

Ron, I apologize to you. I put on the blog it was Mount Adams, and it was Mount Baker, so I apologize for that. But thank you for coming on. Thank you for sharing your son's encounter. No problem. Glad to be here. Let's start from the very beginning.

What were you guys out doing? And then if you kind of would walk us into, with regard to your son and his friend, and then kind of what they told you, just kind of walk us through the whole story, if you would. Kind of what were you doing and what was experienced? Sure. Well, we started out our camping trip.

It was August 13th of this year, and we had spent a day swimming at the north end of Baker Lake. Kind of near a we had camp at Shannon Creek Campground on the northern end. And it's just below Baker Forest Road 11, I believe it's called. And we spent the day swimming to the north of the campground. and noticed a lot of dead fish floating around that day, and it kind of caught my attention. I thought I was thinking I should probably let the kids know that, you know, there could be a potential for wildlife.

Unfortunately, I didn't, but it was in the back of my mind. We could save that part for later, so keep that in the back of your mind. We finished the day swimming and decided to head back and cook some dinner up. I got stuck with Kitchen Duty and the boys and my wife and daughter. They headed down to the southern side of the Shannon Creek Campground. And there's a little kind of an alcove. I guess it's more like an inlet surrounded by the forest and the mountains. And the boys, the ladies were swimming in the lake there.

on one side and the boy just walked around this, it's kind of a horseshoe-shaped alcove. And they were kind of dinking around. And when I say hike, it's really difficult. It's heavy log jams. You have to go in the water about half the time to get over there. It's not an easy hike. It's, you can't go quickly.

You definitely, you could break an ankle. So they clamored over there. And they were kind of dinking around on the other side of the bank. And I showed up and I could see him over there. You know, I want to say 200 yards, maybe less. No, it's probably about 100 yards. I couldn't tell you. It could be less than that.

I could see him really well, though. And they had found a little arrow and they were kind of showing me the arrow. And, you know, we were shouting back and forth. I couldn't really hear them. They couldn't really hear me. but they were showing me this arrow and my son's friend he sat down on a log

and he was trying to make you know kids make a boat they wanted to make a bow for this arrow they found he's over there trying to bend this piece of wood and my son is standing there and on this kind of half-sumered log that's parallel to the bank and he turned around and he looked up

and he was just looking up into the wooded area that's kind of a steep area going up toward the mouth Shuckson, heading north. And he started seeing, he was looking at this creature. He wasn't even sure what he was seeing. He describes it as a very large creature. He said the head was about the size of a watermelon. He describes it as a watermelon size and very thick, wide-shouldered creature

just staring at him with these amber colored eyes. He kind of described it like they were kind of glowing kind of off the lake. Now keep in mind, it's about 6.30 at night, and we're on the shady side of this mountain. So it does kind of make some sense that the light coming off the lake would shine up into the mountain hillside there and could catch an eye shine. And that's what he described it. So he's standing there and kind of turning into shock. He said his heart sank and he felt like he was going to pass out because, you know, we've, in our household, we've always discussed the Bigfoot, you know, the soft squads.

It's always been in, you know, our minds. And when we go hiking, camping, he's never considered that, you know, he kind of believes it, But it's kind of a, if you don't see it, you know, it's kind of a myth. Well, he realized what he was actually seeing was not a bear who was not a raccoon. It was in his mind a Sasquatch. His friend noticed that he stopped talking and was just staring up into the woods. And he turned around, the friend turned around and saw less of the head but more of the body. because he was at a sitting location.

And he describes a creature that was, the way they described it was, hey, Dad, do you know LeBron James? He's really big. He's got wide shoulders. Well, this thing was bigger than that. And it was covered in dark hair. Like he said, I could see the arm. I could see the muscles.

I could see the pectoral area of the chest. So it was very muscular and very wide. So they immediately bolted out of there and got back as quick as they can and ran over to me. Like I said, it takes about five minutes to get from one side to the other. And so I took a very brief, I listened very briefly to what they said, and I said, I'm going over there. I've got to validate what you've seen, and maybe it's a bear. And I ran over there and ran being clambered over logs and. got all wet and as quick as they could.

I got to the area and they kind of pinpointed. Let me back up a second. They started following me. I begged and please take me over there and they got about halfway and said, we're not going over there. We do not want to go back over there. So I said, fine, I'll just go solo. And they became very worried that I was going over there solo.

Now that I look back at it, it probably wasn't a good idea. But I had to validate what they were seeing at that right time with the lighting. I wanted to see if it was maybe a stump or some moss or maybe even up there. I have run across there up there. So I got over there and I just got in the area like right below where they had seen this creature. And I just listened and it was about 10 minutes. I just stood there and looked and listened and. I couldn't hear anything.

I didn't see anything. I was not about to climb up into the area where they saw it because a little bit I know that when we returned the next day, how close it was, was about 30 feet. And that's very, very close, as far as I'm concerned for any wild animal. Yeah, it's almost too close. Yeah. Let me ask you, how old is your son? He is 15 now. He was about three weeks from his birthday, turning 15 at that time.

And what was his reaction when he came back to the camp to tell you what they saw? What was actually both of the boys' reactions? They were very concerned. My son was, he was a little more distraught than the other boy. I think maybe because he saw the face. he uh he kind of looked white he didn't look well he was very shocked he just he just wanted to go back to the campsite were the boys that's going to leave at that point they did my son actually he's like i would like to just go home if we can he's like i don't want to sleep here tonight i said you know

we're here um we have protection uh you know he's like well i'm not sleeping in the tent alone. There's no way with can you sleep with us or can we sleep in your tent? I agreed to sleep in their tent and unfortunately we had a very very bad thunderstorm that night so that did not help. What did

your son say the face look like? How did he describe it to? Yeah, he described it. It was difficult for him. He said it was almost like a gorilla. It's a real dark face, kind of a flat flattish nose.

because you got to remember when they're telling me these things when we got back to the campsite and we're kind of going over everything and I'm taking all the notes I can I'm like okay is it possible you saw bear is it possible you saw

you know I'm naming off all the animals and they're like dad you like no we've seen bears the the friend has hunted bear in Alaska he knows his wild animals he's a avid hunter he wears you know he's a typical hunter kid

he was absolutely convinced there's no way it was a bear. Yeah. Yeah, so kind of a, yep, go ahead. No, go ahead. I'm sorry to me cut you off. Oh, the head, yeah, kind of a whitish. He described it as watermelon shape. If you were to kind of stand like a watermelon on its end,

if it was, you know, vertical. But he said it was like a big, big head. And how's your son dealing with us today? You know, he's been really quiet lately. He hasn't wanted to talk about it since the incident, but up until last week, I haven't brought it up to him, and he's the one who started talking about it again. And we were just the other day, I think I told you a couple days ago,

he said, you know, I'm so convinced that what I've seen is a Sasquatch, there's just, there's no other way of anything else. he had spent a lot of time looking at pictures on the internet of different animals that he could have mistaken and he's drawn to these a couple pictures that we discovered on the internet one was a picture it looks like a gorilla kind of behind a tree with like amber colored eyeshine and he's that he insists that's what he saw what's that creature? Yeah, it's one of those

things like I was telling you, you know, when you have a sighting, everyone wishes for a sighting. Everyone wants to see these things. They want to see these things. But it's funny because when you see one, there's this period of time

where you wish you wouldn't have seen it. You wish you could go back and unsee it. And you wish that it was just kind of, there's a difference between believing they exist and then seeing one. And your son's reaction really is the reaction a lot of people have after they see these things. Yeah, I think you nailed that. He, both of them have told me they wish they had never seen it.

You know, like I said, we've discussed it in the, and he said, you know, we've always talked about Bigfoot. Fact, you know, we've always, every time we go camping, it's kind of a tradition to say, okay, we're going to go look for soft spots, you know. We're going to go on it, which is kind of a. a ploy to get him to go for a hike, you know? Right. And he said, now that, now that I've seen it, I, you know, I kind of, kind of believed it at first, but now I wish I never would have seen it, Dad. I just wish it never would have happened.

It kind of changes your worldview on a lot of things, especially when you go up in the woods again, and I'm sure he'll get back out in the woods, but you definitely have your head on a swivel. you're more on high alert when you go out there because you realize there's more than just cougars. You realize there's more than just bears out there. You realize there's more than your normal predators out there. Now you have this other thing. And 30 feet away, that's close. It was kind of alarming to me.

I did convince him the next morning to take me over there so that we could get some GPS locations and kind of check out the area. And I was able to, I was more comfortable climbing up in there. morning time. It was about 9.30 in the morning we went back over there and they got into their locations and I climbed up in there. Lafably, I wasn't even close to the size. But yeah, it was really dang close. I can tell you that. Did your son say the creature, did the creature vocalize? Did the creature do anything with regard to what your son said? He didn't describe any vocal or facial movements.

We discussed that last night. He said, no, it was just staring at us, like, really curious. And, yeah, so nothing like that. They did say that the friend said that as they walked, because my son left like seconds ahead of him because he was in a standing position. The friend said as he turned around, he said the creature was turning back away from them

to go back up the mountain. as they left, which would make sense because when I went over there, I didn't see anything. Yeah, I think what, as you and I talked the other day, I think probably what happened, and this is one of those encounters that you would want, in the sense that a lot of times, you know, I've had a lot of people on the show and a lot of people share different encounters. And generally, when they have an encounter like your sons and his friend, when the creatures make some sort of, aggressive movement, or they growl or they vocalize. Generally, if you stay in the area, you're going to have problems at night. You're going to have some serious problems at night because that's a cue to leave. A lot of times with encounters like this where it's coming up and it's just watching the boys.

And when they leave, it exits. Generally, you don't have any major problems with them. I think, and I'm just theorizing at this point, because I don't, again, as you and I always jokingly say, I don't have one in my garage I'm studying. But I think probably what happened in this situation is it was coming down to the water. And with the fish down there, that's a great food source that's coming down to the water. And generally, they'll come down off the ridge lines at night. Usually people catch them around the time your son had his encounter, or really a lot of hunters will catch him early in the morning going back up the mountain.

And I think they come down off those ridge lines to eat, to hunt at dark. And then as a sun's starting to come back up, generally they make their way back up. And probably what happened in this situation, and again, I'm just there rising. It was making its way down to the water, and your son and his friend were caught in the middle. Yeah, I think you nailed that right on the head. It was just alarming to me that all the dead fish. the fishermen had spent the day or you know the week whatever fishing and catching the bottom feeders and they were throwing them out so they were floating up on the banks and had to keep my dog away from you know how all day long so it does make a lot of sense but yeah and like I said you know I know how your son feels I went through the same thing I mean I know exactly how he is filling and the offer's always open to him you know if he wants he doesn't have to come on the error. I'm not going to ask him to come on the air if he doesn't want to come on the air. But if he just

wants to call me and talk to me about, you know, how he's feeling about the whole thing, I'd be more unhappy to talk with them. And, you know, it helps really to talk about it. It's, even though you don't want to, you know, I'm sure your son doesn't really want to talk about it, it really does help to kind of talk about it, talk about what he saw, talk about how he feels with someone who has seen it. You know what I mean? So people don't beat him up over, over what he's seen. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glad to bring that up because yesterday, he mentioned, you know, I haven't been able to talk to anyone because, like, how do you start that conversation?

Hey, by the way, I saw Bigfoot. You know, he's like, I don't know who to talk to. In fact, because the friend who has told his parents, they, oh, there's no such thing as Bigfoot. You didn't see anything up there. You know, that poor guy, he didn't have any support there. He's just getting ridiculed. Yeah, and that's a hard part. It is. It's a very emotional thing. A lot of people have that very strong emotional response to having an encounter. And when you tell someone and then they beat you up over it, it kind of crushes you really. Especially when you're trying to, you know, you're telling the truth on what you saw. You're telling the truth on how you're feeling. And then you get that, well, they don't exist. Well, you know, that's, it's like I always say, it's be careful what you wish.

for and it's all fun in games until you see one. And then it's a whole different outlook. It's a whole different feeling. It's a whole different experience that you go through after you've seen one of these things. And they really do strike the fear into people. I think it's, you know, it's funny. I was talking to a guy last Friday, you know, and he was saying that he was shocked by the fear factor. He was shocked by the experience of seeing one. He was shocked by, you know, just hit him, hit him like a ton of bricks when he saw what he. And he's always wanted to see one. And then he saw one.

And then he wished he would have never seen it at that point because it just terrified him. And I think your son's description really is dead on with what people describe here in Washington State. I mean, it's to the T what people describe. And then looking at your son's behavior, the other boy's behavior of not wanting to go back and wanting to. and wanting to leave at that point, people generally don't have that same type of fear when they see a bear or when they see a cougar or when they see your normal, quote-unquote, normal wildlife.

They don't have that strong reaction, but they do when they see these things. They want out of there. They want to leave. They don't really want to talk about it. So my heart goes out to your son and his friend. And the offer is open to his friend too. I mean, you have my cell phone number.

His friend's welcome to call me. They just want to talk about it, you know? Yeah, it's very kind of you to offer that. And I know you were hoping to see it running back over there. Actually, I got to be honest with you. After I saw their initial reaction, I was kind of hopeful that I wouldn't because they were very scared. I really didn't want to see it at that point. You know, it's like you said, you do want to see one.

It'll be so great to see one and then you see it. and then, oh, I don't want to see this anymore. And that's where I was after I saw their reaction is, I'm okay if I don't see it. Yeah. Yeah, and in that part of the country where you're at, it's kind of one of those areas to where it's not great for footprints. It's not great for, it's really hard to track animals in that area

just because of the way the brush is. I know there's a lot of moss in the area. There's a lot of clover in the area. Yeah. And the rock and the ground underneath is as hard as a rock in a lot of those areas. So even without all of that underbrush, it's nearly impossible to track anything. Yeah. As you can imagine, I've played out a bunch of scenarios in my head.

Like, what could this have been? And one of the scenarios I played out was, well, could this be a human dressed up in a gorilla costume, right? but when I got up into that area I quickly changed my opinion of that to how much could they have gotten in there because it's so thick and so steep and at that exact time how would they know that anyone would be over in this area

it just it eliminated all of the possibility of human interaction yeah and most gorilla costumes I don't know that there's a lot of people that do that here in Washington State because I think you're apt to get shot pretty quick, especially being in a gorilla costume. So a lot of people generally don't do that.

And I think your son, you know, kids nowadays, my son's 13, and I'm blown away by, I used to be the technology guy and he just puts me to shame with it. But kids are pretty smart these days. I think your son would have picked up if it was someone in a gorilla costume. Yeah. And a bear, you know, if a bear is going to get that close, there's going to be either an altercation. bears generally, especially in that area, will run from you the moment that they catch any sense of you. They're not going to stand there and watch and stare.

Yeah. And I really think your son saw a Sasquatch. I really do. And that's really one of those areas, too. I know I said Mount Adams and I know it was Mount Baker, but, I mean, there's a lot of reports in those areas a lot. Pretty frightening. Yeah, he told me the, he told me a few days ago. like, you know, I would take a lie detector test.

I'm so convinced of what I've seen. There's no way it was a bear. I'm not making this up. You know, they both told me the same thing. So I have to support him, you know? Yeah, I would just support him. And there's no need for a lie detector test. I mean, I went through that.

I offered to take one after my encounter. My brother offered to take one after his. Both me and my brother offered to take one. There's really no need for your son. I really think that he saw him. especially with his reaction. The best thing I would try to do is get them back out in the woods as soon as you can and just go for a hike, have them get, you know, time helps.

Time really does help. And it may take a couple months, but I would just try and get them back out there. And these things are out there. You know, people go out in the woods all the time. These things are out there. And most people believe they don't exist until they actually see one. And then it's a whole different ballgame. Yeah.

Well, I appreciate you coming on and retelling your son's encounter. It's a great encounter, and like I said, his description is dead on. The good news, generally speaking, not always, but generally speaking, here in Washington State, you generally don't get a lot of aggressive type attacks, aggressive type behaviors, the ape-like type that we have here in Washington State, generally speaking, they will come in, there's curiosity, and then they'll leave, and there's usually not an altercation. If this was Texas or Oklahoma or Louisiana or Missouri,

I would tell, I would say, well, it's probably best not to go back into that area. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. But I can't thank you enough for coming on. Hey, sure, no problem. Well, next on the show, I want to welcome Chris. He was a special agent for the tribal police, and welcome to the show, Chris. Thanks for being here tonight. Good. Thanks for having me.

Before we actually get into some of the stories, before we get into some of the different things you were called out to, and even some of the things that you're researching now, your interest with Sasquatch started when you were young. Do you want to talk about that? Yeah. My grandfather, he was a logger, worked for the Forest Service, and VA out in Northern California. Southern Oregon area. I remember him talking to me before he passed on a quite a few years back

about a story that when he came back from the regular shift that came back the next morning, their bulldozer was beat the heck out of. The windows were smashed. The engine compartment was totally torn apart

and looked like big old dents inside of all the around it. The ground was pretty solid so they couldn't really, they just thought it was a boot print, but it was pretty big bootprints, but it tried to pull the tracks off the bulldozer. So when he told me that story, he knew, as they call it the big man up there, here in South Dakota, as a kid, they call it Hishma, our native language, Lakota language, as, you know,

hairy man. So when they tell you, the Hishma man's going to get you, that's pretty much when you get to the curfew of the community. Did your grandfather ever say what he thought did, did all the? the damage to those that tracko? Yeah, he called it the big man. My grandfather on the side over there is Clamondon, Modoc, and Mexican. So his English was very terrible.

He's very traditional. This happened in the 50s, and that's all he called it was the big man. Yeah, and for anyone who's seen one of those tracos, I mean, it's, I mean, those things are, it's like a tank sitting up on a mountain. Yeah, exactly. It's interesting that sometimes I think the frustration of these creatures gets taken out on pieces of equipment. You know, there was a story here in Washington State where one of those, it was a bulldozer actually had been actually pushed off a mountain and they couldn't figure out what pushed it off the mountain. They found big huge human-like footprints and then the bulldozer halfway down the mountain.

Something had actually pushed it off the mountain. But years later, you became a special. agent with the tribal police, which is on law enforcement food chain, that's just about as high up as you can go. Was there any encounters that you were ever called out to or anything strange that you investigated while you were with the police department? Yeah, I was with, I got hired onto the Rosebud Indian Reservation, South Central, South Dakota. And I started in the early 90s. We started military. And I remember in late 19, 92, an elderly female, she had called and had reports of peeping comms, this and that, and I heard it through the department, and you're going to get called to this lady's house and say people are picking in her windows and stuff.

Well, she had reported seeing, you know, Bigfoot like creature, like the week before, I remember reading the call, but this particular eye go out there, she said that it was standing, you know, just outside of her porch. So I roll up there You know I don't know how to address these calls But I know I had my AR 15 ready As I come around the corner I get out And you know

I had the dispatch Make a phone call to her So let me know where this thing is And I started walking my flashlight I came around the corner Of the little house he was in And there was Bull Elk standing there

So I kind of figured Maybe that's what was peeking in her windows or this and that. So after talking to the lady, she says, no, before it's a man who's coming up here, peeking in, stealing vegetables out of the garden, and just, you know, wrecking things around her house. Now, did she think that it was a Sasquatch type creature, or did she actually think it was a man? First, she thought it was, you know, kids playing around, you know, hitting her trailer, or not her trailer, her house, actually. When she was folding laundry, she told me years before, like, in the probably had to be in the late 80s, folded laundry that something was peeking at her at the same height as her, and her house sits above ground and, you know, I happen to take a look at her window,

and it's got to be like seven feet off the ground, you know, to be at the same height as her in her kitchen. So she knows she saw this, you know, a dark figure with eyes looking at her. I asked her if it was the reflection off the light onto the window back to her. She said, nope, and blinked and turned and walked away after I screamed. If you go there, if you go there today, you could see she has, I think she has the most street lights out in the country I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, she just has a place lit up. Oh, yeah, definitely. And that's pretty common a lot of times when people have the encounters around their property, they'll tend to light the place up.

I wanted to ask you, so how does when the phone calls come in, let's say I make a 911 phone call. Well, I guess it's not really 911 when you're calling the tribal police, but you get what I'm saying. When you're calling for help. Yeah, we have 911 now. Yeah, back then they didn't. Long number. Yeah. But, you know, you're calling for help.

You want the tribal police to come out. You're asking for help. How do they take it when, if someone were to call up and say, hey, look, it's not a person. there's a Sasquatch out here. Do they kind of, is it the same as, you know, let's say someone makes a phone call from Washington State to the local police and says, hey, there's, I think of the, and then what I'm getting to is,

I'm thinking of the 911 call I have at the beginning of the show where the guy calls 911, 911, and he thinks it's a Sasquatch, and you can hear it in his voice, but he doesn't want to come up. He doesn't really say it. Yeah, I worked with probably over 12, 13 dispatches, And I ask them the same thing, because when I started getting interested in getting these calls,

they just kind of glared and look at you in and say somebody's been a big foot over here, you know. And they'll say that over the radio. They ain't shy to say it at all. But it's just who they're going to give the call to because if they end up chasing the thing, you know, it's going to be quite, I don't know how you say it's pretty exciting, you know. Nobody really wants to go on that call because we don't want to do with it, you know. Yeah, and I've heard. that from other tribal police members I've had on the show where they've gone out to these type of calls.

They and they have seen the creature actually running away from the property and they don't want to chase the thing down. They just want nothing to do with it. I guess it depends on the police of the tribe and everything. You know, do they think it's something good or bad? What other strange calls were we called out to? Actually, we were, me and another gentleman, he's long gone from the PD. We were coming back from the community called Parmally, South Dakota, Parmally, a big gang fight, and there was just only two of us working. And I was in front of him, you know, I had two or three prisoners. He had two prisoners, and, you know, like a prisoner right behind me, he said, hey, what is that? And it's early in the morning.

You know, sun hasn't really crested yet. But he drives to this ghost talk area. There's a view of the little white river and kind of sitting above it. And when he said that, it looked over and I could see something in the water, but I'm trying to concentrate on driving at the same time. I see something in the water. And my partner, he radios to me. He said, did you see that?

I said, well, I seen something in the water. He said, well, it was something on two feet. That's all he said. and the guys, the prisoner said it was a big, big man that was inside the water crossing the river. Yeah, that's odd. Weren't you called out to one where a lady had, they said monkeys were on their trailer?

Yeah, that was, he's had them in in mid-90s. They just moved a trailer out in this community. It's on the western side of Todd County. Once you pass their place, it's going to be at least 45 minutes before you see, you know, another community. They're on the edge of the timber area. And she had put a trailer out and she would call the police and say something messing with

the trailer. You know, some of the things that are trailer shaking her trailer. And that's a particular call that I went on and said they were, her and her companion said that there was actual monkeys on top of her trailer. And, you know, in South Dakota, we do not have any monkeys far as I know. And she said they were small hairy men. And, you know, in Lakota language, we do have a myth of what we call what we live, which are very small people.

But the way she described them, they were just like chimpanzees. And from that night, a critical night when I was there, she said, yeah, they ran off towards the car. Her companion had to have the gun, shot it in the air. They took off, and then they noticed a bigger, one, probably like six, seven foot, one that was standing there, a tree, take off and was hooping out of. I was like, you know, like she was, I was saying, hooping.

I know, what does that mean? She said, no, they're going, whoop, whoo, who. And they were like, you know, talking to each other as they ran off. After a few times, they would just shoot in the air when they leave or sometimes they would just leave and never come back a couple morning. And they found, you know, most of their stuff messed with, you know, pushed over. So a medicine man had told her just put out food for them, and they won't bother you. So they start putting food out because there is, as our traditional people say, there's spirits out there.

You must feed them. If you're going to eat, you feed them too the same, and they won't bother you. So as far as I know, she's never got a call like that, you know, never had any incidents after that, far as I know. So this wasn't a one-time incident. This was going on for a while? For a long time. He said it's about eight months. And she just moved her trailer in there.

I don't know if it was taken over on their territory or I couldn't really explain that. Let me ask you, have you ever gone out to a call where someone says there's a Sasquatch or there's, you know, a Sasquatch type creature out there? Have you ever gone out to a call where you've looked around, you found something that made you stop and go, okay, there's something going on out here? Like footprints or have you ever found anything odd that you just couldn't explain? explain? The only other one is the call when I became a special agent in 2011, and that was pretty much in charge of the criminal investigation of any major crime that happened on the reservation.

And I was called to a fatality accident on a, we call it the Grass Mountain Road. The patrol officer was on scene, and I was doing my investigation. The ambulance people requested, you know, they were kind of hungry, and the gas station wasn't 10 miles away. So I, I don't. let them go. So just me and him on down there when I was taking my measurements, pictures, you know, doing my investigation. We were sitting there comparing notes of what time he got

to call, you know, as while I was interviewing him, we heard these screams out, you know, had them in the west of the river, and they were pretty loud. The only I could compare it to is a YouTube video that I watched from California

where these guys were along the road. And it's almost on, Not really like the joker, but kind of a hooping screen. We both heard that, and he begged for me, because when I was down in my investigation, I was going to leave, and he'd be the only one down there. And he begged me to stay with him. Yeah, I know from our conversation yesterday, you were talking about the, what's that one called out of the Blue Mountains where it sounds like a hyena laughing?

Yeah. That's what you heard. That's what I heard. Both of us, you could play that in front of him, and he will directly, yeah, that's what we heard. Exactly what we heard. Is there a lot of green area out there in South Dakota? Oh, yeah. There's half of our reservation that's covered in canyons, you know, deep canyons.

You know, just like mountains, but it's inverted downward. There's a lot of creek beds, a lot of places, a lot of trees where, you know, it'll go from flats to none of but trees in an instant. investigating all of this, is that really what made you draw your interest into this, you know, coming out to these phone calls, going out, having these different experiences? Is that really what made you have an interest in this? Yeah, it spiked my interest because, you know, a couple of other officers went on calls where they had this, and I believe one officer chased it. There was a police chief in Pine Ridge Reservation who actually, we've been in contact. We've known each other for years, and he was actually on finding Bigfoot with his story. And I got to talk to him about when he had an infrared camera. But it really spiked my interest.

And so I started the Bigfoot South Dakota Facebook webpage and pretty much I share and starting to get to know a lot more people out here in South Dakota. in learning all the sightings that happened here in South Dakota, like the ones in 79 and Little Eagle, with all the news reports from CBS and covering themselves trying to actually follow up on that this past summer. But it really spiked my interest so much that people are starting to come forward with different stories. And I've got quite a few so far than I'm working on. What happened with your officer friend? What was that encounter?

I don't think I remember that one. he was actually called out to a house between Parmeline, the community Parmeline and Mission. And he was called out to a house that somebody was trying to break in their cars. And when he gets out there, and this was like an evening time, you know, just that dusk. There was a fire that was probably seven, eight miles less of there, just a small fire. And when he pulled up to the resident, something had taken off, so he started chasing it in a vehicle because it's pretty much a flat, you know, a little rolling hills. But when he got to the tree line, he couldn't find anything.

But all he could say was a big, dark figure. So he figured it was just a, you know, neighborhood kid that was breaking in the car. But he said it was a pretty big kid, you know, but it was a lot faster against, you know, when he was driving because he had a four-wheel drive. Oh, wow. So he was actually chasing it down in the car. He wasn't on foot. Yeah, he was on an four-wheel-drive vehicle.

and they were probably about maybe a quarter of a mile from the actual when the canyons drop off into the timber reserve. He saw it running, taking off, and so he tried to, you know, do the V-line for it. He threw the hit the tree line, it was down. Yeah, if you can't catch it in the car, it's probably not a kid. Yeah. He said it was probably about good maybe 400, 500, 500, 500 yards from him when he started pulling up to the residence. And it took off running, and that's how it got his attention. So he went past the house and straight forward.

And soon they hit the tree line, it was gone. And it was, you know, all he said it was all in block. Do you guys have Dogman out there in South Dakota? The only thing that, you know, in South, not in South Dakota, before I retired as a police officer or a special agent, taking a small job out in Winne Vegas in Iowa, actually, so Winnebago's tribe. One of the guards had given me.

a story that that happened the night before. And we had to supervise like 15 security guards for this casino and, you know, he were playing a close cop. And he told me a story that happened the night before and he got on the internet

and showed me this picture of a werewolf-looking thing because he almost ran into it on the Winnebago Reservation in Nebraska. And he said it pretty much stood up on two legs and looked at him and he was so freaked out about it, that, you know, he asked me, he said, you got any guns I can borrow

because it's close to my house. Now I'm like, oh, I don't know about that. Yeah, I'm starting to get more and more of those type of reports, you know, and I'm not really sure what to make of it, but I mean, I believe the people that are sending it to me, but I'm getting more and more of those reports. And it's, those are, it's harder to get that out of people than just your normal Bigfoot report, you know what I mean? Definitely. Now, you sent me a video. I, Posted it up to the blog on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I thought it was a great video.

It was of the guy that was the thing came up on the porch. You heard the footsteps, and that's what woke him up and it started grunting. So by the time he got his phone and started, he just put his, he didn't even look outside. He just put his hand up there above the window, just held it as you can hear it. That happened in December this past year, and he held on for a long time because he's been having little activity off and on at his house. When he recorded that, he was really freaked out about it. Finally, in June of this year, he actually sent me that,

asked me to look at it and went on to his property and pretty much the front of his whole property is nothing but thick cribbed that runs from, you know, east to west. And he had a lot of activity as far as, you know, his central air system. Big things are really heavy. He said that was pushed over twice. Things been thrown at his house, tapping on his house, and stuff like that. He doesn't have no idea what it could be.

He just thought it was like, you know, animals coming up and rubbing up against the wall and stuff and tell you heard about. And he's been freaked out ever since. Did this take place in South Dakota? Yeah, it was on the Roosevelt Reservation, yes. And do you guys have bears out there? No, we do not. I think the last bear recording, well, we do here in Rapid City, have bear country USA, but it's, They keep good counting on those bears there, but I think the last grizzly that's ever been here was in the late 80s, and it was actually a black bear.

But as far as when, kind of ironic, Custer killed one of the last grizzly bears that were known to this area. But we do not have any bear, no black bear. That noise on there, I can't figure that out. You know, I've heard bulls. I've heard all kinds of animals making those type of noise, but that's not the noise. but that's not the noise right here. Yeah, and again, for the listeners out there, if you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com,

it's under something at my window. I posted it on Friday. So if you get a chance to check it out, but I mean, you're right, Chris, I listen to that, and I have had other people listen to it, and some people said, well, maybe it's a bear,

but it doesn't really sound like a bear. And I'm like, well, it's took place in South Dakota, and a lot of people are kind of scratching their heads when they listen to that. Has he seen the creatures out on his property? No, he is not. See, after,

he's never really paid attention. He doesn't really, you know, and he was a former cop back in the late 90s, and he just sees fiber gas on what the heck this thing is. I don't think he even stays home anymore or when he does, he makes sure daylight never comes up.

So he's got a shotgun by every door, So, you know, he lives out there by himself. And I think I sent you a picture of that property there surrounded. He really is out in the middle of nowhere. On his property, so he's been getting rocks thrown at the house. He's been getting things brushing up against the house. I would imagine that tapping. Tapping.

I mean, there's not too many animals that do that. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, this stomps that report. You know, in June this year, I got another report, or actually was in July, got a report of a kid. And it's within this, it has to be in this 20-square-mile area, was driving a tractor from a community to a farmhouse. And he was actually on the highway and this site he took place, you know, 1 o'clock in the afternoon. He was driving a tractor. And he happened to look over, you know, down in the ditch.

You know, you sit in the tractor They're pretty high up And he knew it's something black And the lilac bushes When he started to look even closer He slowed down to a stop The thing stood up And took off on two feet

And it was totally black And he'd call his father His father got in touch with me And they actually went out there That evening when he got done With his chores And there's a picture on Bigfoot South Dakota

Of him standing in those bushes and this gentleman, he's 6, 3, 6, 4, some around there. He's pretty tall gentleman, but he's holding his hand up as far as, you know, what how big that creature was. And those bushes come up to actually the gentleman's chest area. And so that thing had to be, you know, fairly like eight feet, eight and a half feet tall. Yeah, I was going to say probably eight feet, eight feet plus at least. Did he, was able to give you a description of what it was?

Or was it just that it was black? Yeah, no, it was, it had a face on it, really thin lips. You know, the facial area was clear like a, like a human. You know, he could see the lips and it didn't really do anything, but the hair was real, short, like shiny type. It was cold jet black. What does the local tribe think of these creatures? They think of them as, they're pretty sacred.

Actually, they think they're part of the earth. their earth protectors. And when I was talking about that bulldozer story, my mom suggested that, you know, they protect the earth. That's probably why he's damaging the equipment that's for the lobby. So that's their perspective on it. And as far as, you know, one of the witnesses I talked to a couple days ago,

he had mentioned one thing that he saw a creature out of this guy's house and told his elder, and his elder says, don't bother him. He won't bother you. He said, they've been living here forever. He said, they just protect us of, you know, the land and stuff. And I'm like, well, that thing was watching, you know. Yeah. What's your take on these creatures?

What do you think? What do you think they are? I'm very sure. I never seen one. I've heard growls. I've seen video. And I'm really skeptical. And that's probably why my interest is so high on the subject that, you know,

I definitely don't want to have an account of it. you guys, you had. And, you know, that kind of terrifies me. It makes me want to have a bunch of mini guns and go out there looking, you know, but I'm just very skeptical. And, you know, if it is out there, you know, it would be like try to protect it. Now, on the tribe there in South Dakota, do they, I would imagine that they don't, do they openly talk about it?

When they actually, when they, somebody sees it in the community, it's pretty much what we call is a moccasin telegraph everybody knows they openly do talk about it because they're really protective children and they hear stories

that they still kids and this and that so when something like that is seen probably a bunch every kid is known to stay close to home or stay away from this area

of that you know yeah see that's where I kind of get lost with some Native Americans You know, I'm pretty heavily Native American myself, you know, as far as my family. And what's interesting is, depending on the tribe you talk to, is their outlook on the creature. And every one of them has a different outlook on the creature.

But what's interesting is I've heard that, too. They're protectors of the earth. They're protectors of the forest. They're guardians. But in the same breath, if they come around, keep your women and your children close. And it kind of throws you off a little bit. You're like, well, wait a minute. I thought this thing was a guardian.

I thought this thing was a protector. And all the research, you know, of them hurting people and stuff like that. I mean, if that is going on, that's one thing. I definitely don't want to encounter that. But it's just really like a two-sided coin. You know, you don't know if they're good or evil. You don't know until we actually find one. Well, and I think it goes back to, you know,

know, my view on it with a wild animal. You know, sometimes you see, I have no fear of black bears at all. Because every time I've encountered a black bear, it's ran. I mean, it's turned and it's gone. But, you know, sometimes you do get those encounters with black bears where they don't turn and they don't run, and people have been attacked by them. You know, it's very unpredictable. And I think with these creatures, they can be very unpredictable, you know, in their behavior

and how they react to certain situations. Yeah. Well, was there any other stories or anything else you wanted to share? Yeah, I actually working, I know earlier this year, June 30th, a game warning was out cruising, and this happened this year. He was driving on the same road where the video, where this video was taken, it's five miles down the road. I'm actually going in on a, if you call it the ring on the road,

but it's the car cross that goes into the Milwaukee County. down that trick, five miles from there, when it crossed in front of him. And he knows what he saw. He had two passengers with him. And the black thing came across the road, and it was moonlight out. It happened to about one, probably 1230 at night.

And he was, you know, as he's driving by, he slows down. There's moonlight out, and he can see the figure, the outline of a figure. And he said it was a man. He knew exactly what it was. driving. On that same road, I talked to a gentleman last night, one of my lifelong friends, happened to run into him last night, and I told him what I was doing.

I haven't seen him in a while. He told me a story that kind of, you know, like, whoa, it's happened on that same road. It happened probably five years ago, he said. They were out, him and his buddies were having a good time, and driving slowly, just cruising from, there's a back road from Palmany, South Dakota, to White River. South Dakota. And that same exact road. They were cruising

and they came over this hill and they saw a black thing that was hunched over in the middle of the road like it was messing with its feet or messing with something on the road. When they got closer within about 50 yards, it sprung up,

did like a Ford summer sauce and sprung up and jumped over the fence. And he described it as you know, jet black, shiny, orange-eyes. He said, as they passed, they were looking right at him, had orange eyes.

He said it was about nine feet tall. He said he couldn't believe how big that thing was agile. You know, she thought it was a cow on the road. The three guys, three gentlemen in the pickup, they both all look at each other. He said, well, what did you see? What did you see? You know, question in there, you know, because they've been having a good time. And I said, no, I saw a big hairy man.

I saw what I saw. And him describing how they just rolled into. a Ford Summersawks and just, you know, hopped over the fence, just in one leap, you know, from the ditch. I mean, it had to be pretty big and agile. These things are really agile. Now, you're talking about the video. Are you talking about the guy that recorded the thing growling at his window? Yeah.

Yeah. No, this ain't the same guy. This is a totally different guy. Right, right. Same. Yeah. About five miles from his house, huh? Yep.

Wow. And speaking of that, you know, I come to learn. I'm still researching. I haven't found the police officer that took his report. There was a Mollack County, South Dakota, he was one of the sheriff's deputies. The truck driver had ran into what he described as a big hairy, something on two feet, had hit the truck. The truck hit it and went off in a ditch, and so the truck driver waited a long time for it.

And I'm still researching. I don't know all the details, but as soon as I find report or talk to that, actual deputies, I could let you further know about that. Yeah, if you would, I'd love to have you back on for an update on that. It'd be nice to, I get those occasionally, you know, from truck drivers that say, well, I hit something big in Harry and I was running on two legs, but most of the time when they hit them, which is kind of amazing, they generally don't go down. I mean, they'll go down, but then they'll get back up and run.

My understanding from the gentleman that told me this is that they search the ditch, they search within he's too many yards from the where you hit that didn't find nothing. They did find hair in the grill black coarse hair

or cinnamon brown I could say. Have you actually talked to the Game Warden that had a sighting? Yeah. And is he pretty... He's pretty traditional

and it's really hard for him to talk about it but he knows I'm very interested and he's been a lifelong friend when he told me told me a different story that when he was actually on patrol, you know, when the sunset rule, they go to this place and it's called Ironshaw Flats. And he was sitting there, scoping.

And what is the game was called it was a live shot. When that time limit comes, you know, anything after that time limit, you know, basically poaching. So he usually waits for that. And he didn't really hear anything so he starts driving along this trail on this flat. and he notices something big and black, probably about 400 yards away, walking. So he figured it's somebody in camel that's going back to their truck or, you know.

So he starts driving towards it. When he starts being closer and closer, it looks at him and takes off running so fast. But he's close enough where he could, you know, I think within 70 yards or so, that he knows it's a very gigantic man. We do have one hunter out there, one of my good friends, and he's 6-6-7, very large, and he said he could dwarf him no problem.

When he told me that, he said he was freaked out and just went through a fence and didn't stop. He didn't want to ever go back out there for a while, but it's his duty, so he'd have to go back there, but he just goes out with more ammo. Yeah, I don't blame him. Did he ever get a good look at the face, or was he able to give me any sort of disarm? No, it was, you know, duck. You know, I could just see him as a gigantic figure all in black, total black. Like if somebody dressed up a turkey hunting, all a camel, and, you know, at the dust, it looks like something that's dressed in black.

But he said it was the way it took off running, and said there was no man that could do that, you know, long strides, disappear like that. Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. By the speed of that thing, he probably realized it wasn't a man at that point. I didn't realize there was so much going on in South Dakota. I don't get a lot of reports from South Dakota. I'd imagine, though, that there would be...

It's happened over the years, you know? Like, one, I just, I talked to a firefighter, and back in July of 2012, there was actually a group of firefighters that were inside of a band, and they were waiting to get deployed, and they were actually in the staging area, in western Tau County, basically probably five miles from where that trailer house was, you know, just right across the road. and they were all sitting there. It was probably 3 o'clock in the morning or so,

and something had pushed the top of the van, pushed it down and shut the van so much. They had no clue what it was because half of them were sleep, you know, they're just getting ready to get deployed. And they didn't know, they didn't see anything. They saw, you know, the place had previously burned. And when you walk on burned grass, you can see footprints. And if you're wearing a boot, you know,

it would be the same size of a gigantic footprint. But the interesting part about that is that they had handprints that were, I think, one of them described it as like 11 inches long on top of the van on the dust. And somebody has pictures, but it's still a real hard to track that now. Yeah, you're getting some good reports out there. Yeah. Well, they're starting to come out more and more. And I'm very thankful of that. I do everything funded by myself.

So somebody calls me if I'm near it, I will go. Definitely. Look for tracks, look for any sign, sit out there and listen. And Chris, if someone's in South Dakota and they have a siting, how would they contact you? Actually, I believe my number is on the Bigfoot South Dakota Facebook webpage. A lot of people, they know me for years. You know, I was being an investigator, especially at home. They know how to get home to me. No problem. But if they, you know, I check my page hourly, but if it's like an overnight site, usually they just message me and let me know and they usually show up on the area.

Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I was talking to Brenda Harris, and she's out in New Mexico, I believe. And she, you know, they have different sightings on the reservation out there. And one of the things that, I don't know if you've ever looked into this or not, Chris, but one of the things that's interesting, she was telling me one time that, These kids had shot one of these creatures, and they had killed it, and they took pictures of it. They were later warned. It was the federal government stepped in and squashed the whole thing. But she was there talking to the kids. She was there.

She saw the pictures. The tribal elders were upset because these kids had shot this thing. And it was kind of a shame the way they shot it. They just were just out shooting just to be shooting. but they had shot this thing. She was saying the federal government showed up and basically squashed the whole thing, took the pictures,

told the kids to shut their mouth, told everyone involved that it didn't happen. And it was just, I'll have to put you in contact with Brenda. It's a real interesting encounter when I talked with her about it because, and she said it was federal.

It was definitely federal agents that came out. It wasn't your local sheriff department. It wasn't your local police. department. Yeah, I did ask, because I worked, we worked closely with the FBI ATF. They have officers in Superior Abidine and Rapid City, and a lot of my friends, and I've always asked them. And so, what would you do? You know, these are city kids that are coming, work on a reservation. All what happened when somebody brings in a big foot, and they just look at me and like, I don't want nothing to do with that, you know, basically that attitude, you know, and I've always asked

So somebody's shot and said, well, we've got to investigate it. I don't know if it's a different agency, but we work closely with the FBI. Yeah, I think that, well, I've talked about it in the past, and I definitely think there's an agency out there that... Yeah, it takes... Yeah, and I've listened to most of the shows with the men in black, stuff like that. And people do tell me, there's, you know, like, probably, possibly an agency out there could be a contract agency or something, but I've never dealt with them.

Hopefully never have to if I'd come in contact one of these things. They could have none of me. No, absolutely. Well, and if you want to contact Chris Barrera, it's Bigfoot South Dakota on Facebook. You can get a hold of them. And Chris, keep me updated with anything else that you find. I'd love to have you back on the show for an update, and I can't think enough for coming on. No problem.

And anything that comes up will definitely be in touch. and thanks for having me on. It's an honor. The honor was definitely mine, Chris. And I want to thank the audience for joining us tonight. I will be in San Diego next week. I'll be checking out a couple areas. And hopefully I can film a lot of that stuff and post it up to the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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