Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:15 Sasquatch Paced My Vehicle

Episode Date: February 9, 2014

This week we bring you an eye witness who shares her scary encounter with Sasquatch-.A listener wrote into the show - "I have had two experiences. One sighting and one crazy night of noises, both occurred in the northern part of the southern peninsula of Michigan. It is SO hard to explain to someone how the sound these guys make, just goes right THROUGH you, literally. And people just can't comprehend the body mass on these guys. When I had my sighting, I was in my car and I really thought this thing might try to cut me off and do....who knows what. It is a VERY scary feeling. This creature was so fast, it was mind boggling. It changes you."

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What on now, sir?

That's the sort of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. You know, I hate the Bigfoot shows, or all the other Bigfoot shows, because they always talk about the weather.

It's the one thing they always talk about, I was like, oh, how's the weather out there? And I always said I'd never talk about the weather. But I'm telling you, man, we've been hit with so much snow that it's unbelievable. I mean, I literally can't get out of my house. Send help if you can. Those those saskwashes are probably loving that up there. They love that cold weather.

I'm telling you, it's the opposite of what all these people think. They love cold weather. Woody and I were talking about going up to Yacol Mountain. You know, I bet there's a lot of good tracks up there right now. Oh, right now you can bet on it. Get them up and now. But, I mean, if it's snowing up there like it is down here, we'd probably get up there and get stuck.

Yeah, because it gets pretty deep fast. Even over on Silver Star, that's a good area, too. Yeah, yeah, Silver Star is a good one. I've heard a lot of encounters with their The last show I'm telling you man We missed you. It wasn't the same Well, we'll do it. We'll do it this time. So on the show tonight we have

Melissa who had Kind of a scary encounter I want her to tell the story But from what I gathered from it It was chasing her car and trying to cut her off And it made me think of I was looking on The Bigfoot Evidence blog today

And they were talking about this This kid who actually hit one And he was trying to tell the authorities He hit one and it caused a wreck and none of the cops believed him they thought he hit a deer or something but he kept saying no I hit

they were asking him was it a human he was like no it wasn't human it was seven eight feet tall the damage to his car I mean the substantial damage to his car and he can't get the authorities to believe that he actually hit one of these things it made me think of Melissa story

and that's like there's an encounter from Amboy in your area the local told me the guy that owned the towing company there in Amboy hit one with his Jeep, wrecked the Jeep, and he and a buddy took the Jeep, but it didn't hurt the Sasquatch apparently that much. It got up and ran off, but it totaled the Jeep. Yeah, I bet.

I can't imagine a more terrifying encounter than actually hitting one with your car because, you know, you hope he could drive a lot. Yeah. Well, let's go ahead and bring Melissa on. Hi, Melissa. How are you this evening? Good. Good.

How are you? Pretty good. Pretty good. Now, prior to your incident, did you have much knowledge about the subject of Bigfoot, or can you tell us about that? I mean, of course, I had heard of Bigfoot, but it was just a joke. You know, it wasn't real. It was just, I never gave it much thought, really. And actually, at the time I had my experiences, it wasn't until a few years after that I put two and two together and figured out that that's what it was.

Now, how long ago did this happen? 15 years ago, maybe. The first one. Okay. Well, go ahead and start there and tell us what you were doing just prior. Well, the first incident that I had was just audio. It was just vocal. This was in the northern portion of the lower peninsula of Michigan.

Okay. So there's a lot of state land. We lived down 40 acres, and my sister-in-law owned 40 acres across the street, and then my aunt, the next 40. And so, like, it was all private for miles. It was private land, and then state land bordered all that. So there was our houses, but basically there was nothing else around for a long time. It was early spring.

My ex-husband, my husband at the time, I was sleeping. About 3 o'clock in the morning, and he came and woke me up, and he said, come here, you've got to hear this. And he was kind of freaked out, and he said, you've got to hear this. I got up, went to the back part of the house that faced out. There was sliding glass door. You open the sliding glass door, and there was probably a quarter mile of woods, and then there was power lines, and then about another quarter mile wood, and then a lake.

From that direction, I'm assuming it was somewhere around the power lines, was this vocalization. Like I said, it was an eighth to a quarter of a mile away, and when this thing went off, you could feel it. You could feel the sound hit you. You know what I'm saying? Can you describe the sound? like a roar, scream, screech all rolled into one.

Got real, real, real guttural deep. Whatever this was had an enormous lung capacity. Because, you know, I've told people this before, and I've had so many people, and it really gets me. People say, oh, it was a fox or a bobcat. Well, unless it was about, you know, a 900-pound fox, I don't think so. And having lived up there for years and years, I've heard Fox. I've heard Bobcat.

I've heard Bear. I've heard the elk bugle. Where I was living is actually the elk capital of Michigan. So I've heard elk go off. You know, I've heard everything. This was not it. This was like standing too close to a speaker at a concert and the sound you can feel it hit. But, you know, like it was huge.

it would go off about every 30 seconds or so for over an hour. It was going. And I never thought to record it because I wasn't thinking Bigfoot. Again, I was thinking, what in the heck is this? But it was, you know, like the closest thing I can think of would be, like I heard somebody else say this, the T-Rex on Jurassic Park. But almost that, but even deeper, really. whatever it was had to be big and it was just very very very powerful you know we just basically stood there we're trying to figure out what it was I never thought to go if I knowing what I know now if I had

heard that again or knowing what I know now had I known that then I would have been out there the next day back by those power lines looking for prints or something I might even have got in the car with the spotlight and drove tried to drive back in and the power line and I was I would have done something, but at the time I wasn't thinking Bigfoot. I was just thinking, I don't know what, but there's something. What kind of animal is that? Right. I think there's a T-Rex back there, you know.

Yeah, that kind of keep me out of the woods, I think. Yeah. So, you know, we didn't know what it was, but it was very unnerving. Did you ever heard any noises like that before then? No. So that was the first time. Yes. And like I said, I had heard all the animals that are around there.

I've heard Elk bugle and foxes going off, and this, whatever this was, it's really hard to describe to somebody that's never heard it, the power behind this sound. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? It's almost impossible to convey that to somebody. Now, the roar, let me ask you, did it stay sort of a consistent low sound, or did it change in pitch at all? You know, from start to finish? No, at the end of it, it was higher at the end. Okay.

But it was like... Towards the end. Yeah, like it started a real deep growl. It was real deep and guttural. And then it would, that would go for a while. And then it would kind of, you know, go from this growl. And then it would grow into a scream. And then at the end, it was like, you know.

I mean, that's not even close, but it changed in pitch for sure. Okay. So now you had more instances. I had one other incident after that. And how long was that after this first? I want to say probably a year or two after we heard these noises. And did I ask you what time of year it was? I'm sorry.

Early spring, when we heard this. Early spring. Okay. Yeah. The second one was in the height of summer. Okay. It was really hot out. I don't know if it was June, July or August, but it was a hot out.

I was coming home from work and I was coming down, okay, I'm coming down the road and I was going to take the back way to my house. And to do that, you come down the highway and you make your heading east on the highway and you make a hairpin turn. And when you make this turn onto a dirt road, you actually, for a couple mile and a half or so, are heading west. You're exactly parallel to the highway that you are on. If I'm heading one way, I make a hairpin turn, and now I'm paralleling the highway I was just on, but now I'm on a dirt road. Right.

And there's probably, I don't know how many feet of, in between the highway and the dirt road is a cedar swamp. And as you're going down the dirt road, you start heading off a little bit. That cedar swamp widens and widens, and the distance between you and the highway gets farther and farther, so it's like a big triangle, kind of. So I'm coming down the highway.

It was probably 530, 515, somewhere in there. I make this hair pin turn, and I could see the, it was the sun was shining. So I could see the highway, and I could see through the cedar swamp, but I couldn't see in the cedar swamp because it was dark. Like I could see the sunshine on the other side, but inside the cedar swamp it was dark. So I'm driving along, and out of the corner my eye, I caught movement. my first instinct was that it was one of our neighbor's horses had gotten loose because I guess that's the only thing my brain could reconcile was moving that fast through a cedar swamp because it was fast really really fast as I'm driving and I'm not going very fast because I'm on this dirt road and it's the summer and it's just washboard bumps and it's terrible and I'll mention I was in a geotracker with a soft top. Okay, so I'm going down this dirt road and I'm not going very fast.

I caught that movement out of the corner of my eye and I slowed down. I turned to look and I caught a profile and I could see head, shoulders, arm back, and between the legs. So whatever it was is upright. So now I'm thinking, okay, well, that's not a horse. I just saw it for like one, 1,000, 2, and I could see the legs, upper thighs, thick. But, you know, as big round is my big, huge. Right. The arm back, as it was running, the arm came back in a bent position, super long arm. Hand on the end, fingers splayed.

I could see fingers coming up to, I didn't see the torso a whole lot, but I saw a shoulder in the head, huge head. From what I could tell, flat face, I didn't notice any protruding facial features, but again, he's in the dark, so I'm not seeing, you know, a lot of features. Definitely hair. You could see hair bouncing, kind of moving as it ran. Not real long hair, but enough hair that you could see it. No neck, really. Big, huge head, and I couldn't tell. It looked to me like it was just more of a rounded head than a coned head, but I'm looking at it from the same. side, so, you know, I don't know. I just seem to have more of a rounded head. Probably it was eye level with me, but I'm in the road, and the cedar swamp goes down, like in almost like a ditch or a divot between where I'm at and the highway, goes down into the cedar swamp. So this thing had to be at least eight, eight and a half feet tall to be eye level with me

up on the road in my car. I have no idea what it is, but it's freaking me out. So I turn to look where I'm going because I don't want to go off the road. I'm gawking at this thing, and I don't want to go off the road or another car comes or head of tree or whatever. So I glance at the road for a minute, turn back, gone. So now I'm like, I don't know if it stopped or if it was going fast enough that got ahead of me, and it just kept running and now it's far enough ahead of me that I can't see it, or if it stopped and crouched down, or if it just stopped behind a tree.

I don't know, but it's gone. So now I'm in this geotracker with a soft top, driving down the road. I see this thing. Now I can't see this thing. And the direction he was running, it was running. And the direction I was going on the road, I'm going to run into it.

He's going to run right in front of me. Okay? This thing... Sorry, it still freaks me out. This thing could have ripped that car open like a tin can, jerked me out of there, and popped my head off, and there would have been nothing I could have done about it. I'm freaked out because I'm thinking if he didn't stop, whatever, whoever,

actually my mind at the time was whoever, is going to cut me off. They're running next to me because they're trying to catch up because they're going to cut me off. That's the only thing I could think of. Why else would somebody be sneaking around running to the Cedar Swamp, you know? I was really, really, really scared. I kept going and I picked up my pace as much as I could without losing to. control on the dirt road because it was the last thing I wanted to do was crash and be stuck out there. But I made it all the way back home and I never did see about the next mile,

mile and a half. I was terrified that that's what it was doing was. It was going to come back out and try to cut me off or jump on top of my car or he was. I was thinking the only thing my brain could figure was there's a person that wants to do something. Why else would you be sneaking around the cedar swamp you know having gone back looked at these experiences and done some research looking at patterson gimbun film and things like that i'm almost positive that this is this was a big foot had i known that then i probably would have been just as scared i don't know but i don't know now i'm thinking more than likely it probably stopped and hid behind a tree or perhaps even maybe there was a younger one there

and it was running to catch up to the younger one to tell it to get down or something like that. How fast do you think you were going, Melissa? When I first made the hairpin turn, I wasn't going real fast. I was just picking up speed, 15, 20 miles an hour. I mean, you can't really do more than 2530 on that road anyway in the summertime because it's horrible. When I noticed him running next to me,

probably doing between 15 and 20. And I had my windows down. I didn't have the top down, but I had the windows down. And I do remember hearing one snap. So I don't know if it stepped on something or whatever, but I did hear one crack when it was running. But I had seen it before that. The crack isn't what made me turn.

I had seen it out of the corner of my eye before that. Well, it's a pretty good description. And it definitely fits where, you know, people see protruding through seeing a Sasquatch because the Sasquatch has a very flat face. Yeah, I didn't see anything protruding from the facial area at all. It just, I mean, it looked like, maybe you tell it was a face there, you know. Right.

Obviously, it wasn't, you know, void, but there was nothing, it looked enough like a person. I thought it was a person. I put it that way. The following a car like that is a fairly, it's something I've heard in them. Oh, my God, I had a stroke. I was having a stroke as it is. I don't get that thing would have looked in my car and I saw that. I would have, I probably wouldn't be talking to me right now.

It's not something you're not expecting, that's for sure. No, and that's the thing, too. I wasn't looking for it. Like I said, we put the joke, right? I mean, if they're not real, that's stupid. You know, but now the thing I hate worse than anything is somebody goes, well, you know, it was something else. Don't try to tell me what I saw it.

You didn't, you know what I mean? And, you know, that's what bothers me, too. There's a lot of people who make comments about something that someone else has seen. How do they know they weren't there? Right. And if they've never seen anything themselves, well, what gives them equal say at a conversation

when you've seen something and they haven't? I mean, that's the opinion. Somebody says, you were there. You saw it. I saw him. Right. I was there. Right.

It wasn't a squirrel, okay? I saw what I saw you. I've had people tell me that, you know, all of a squirrel jumping from tree to tree. Really? Yeah, 800 pounds squirrel? Right. And, I mean, even today, if somebody comes up to me and says,

well, you know, I saw this alien looking at my bedroom window, I might not believe them inside, but I'm not going to tell them they didn't see what they saw because I know what that feels like, you know? I can't tell you you didn't see an alien in your window all along there. Maybe you did. That's been done way too many times on tracks. I was 14. Another friend's 72.

Again, if you know... And pacing your car in a cedar swamp at 15 miles an hour is pretty amazing. I mean... And your first impression was it was a horse. So something that size moving quickly, you know, certainly not a small... It's usually pretty correct when you first got... I think it's like what you always say, Will. Like your brain tries to rationalize what you're seeing.

And so you kind of... Yeah, you call back on what you already know, and you try to fit it in, you know, your information that you have as best you can. Right. I was just going to say one of the things that is very frustrating for somebody that's had one of these experiences is you tell somebody and you say,

well, you know, this thing was really big and people go, oh, yeah. It's like, no. I don't have words too. explain to you the body mass that I was looking at okay? They don't understand. I can tell you it was a football player on steroids or I could tell you it would look like Hulk Hogan but 10 times

big but you're not going to comprehend the girth, the width, the size, just the body mass on these things. You can't comprehend it unless you've seen it. You know I used to hunt deer and elk and had a number of rifles, hended with my dad and standing

in front of two. I still can't would not, you know, from front to back, the first, the big male that I said, and the width of the shoulder, again, you're right, you can't, you can't. Yeah, you just, there is no, there's nothing else on this earth to compare it to, unless maybe an elk grew ginormous arms and legs and got up and started walking around, you know, I mean, right, right. The body mass is just, and when people say, I never smelled anything, but when people say they've smelled them,

I can believe because this is like if you have a 900,000-pound horse or cow or deer or anything or galk, it's going to smell like a big animal. Just that kind of smell, you know what I'm saying? Let me throw something out about smell so people understand this. Get excited, and if they're like the other higher primates, sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. You see, that's what I always thought, that it was easy.

an at-will thing or it just happened when they were like you said excited or agitated or or afraid or something like that because there are so many stories that people said I you know walked right up on this thing and was sleeping I didn't smell anything yeah the two I encountered I didn't smell anything and I was standing right they weren't excited I'm sure they probably heard me coming so it wasn't that big a deal do you think that possibly they could do it at will if they wanted to use that as an intimidation. Well, I think if they're going to use intimidation, like most primates, emotional abuse. More, yeah, more of an emotional kind of. Mike from the siege of Honabi, he was telling me that, that they produce, you know, he theorized that they produce that smell when it's, it's an emotional, you know, like you were saying, well, it's a fear or it's an excitement. It's not that they stink all the time. It's something he thought they produced.

I've heard accounts of people that say, you know, these accounts where people say I was walking in the wood, and maybe they'll say I got the feeling I was being watched, and I started to get a little nervous, and then I got hit with the smell, and I automatically thought, I got to get out of here. So I didn't know if maybe it was a type of non-aggressive way of them saying, you know, get out of here, because if I'm too much closer, then I'm going to have to get lost charge.

I think in that case it's a response, because I think these things look at us because of that encounters with things. People always say that the main thing that brought in hand in hand, those are the two things that brought us because they know weird. So I think in a case like that, and I had that experience by Stevenson and the Columbia, we were out there. We hiked up this road and it was a rainy day. So they walked out of it. We walked up through a little ways and we came back. My thinking is that like we would, you know, running from a bear or something like that. Right. And I see it. But I think like you said, though, if you came close enough to one that was wet or something. sick or something like that, you would smell it regardless. Yeah, I do think those are some of the cases. Sure, if they're wet or there's something in the hair that's rotting or what have you, but I think those do kind of...

I know because I've listened to enough of your shows that a couple of them I can't get on my phone when I'm walking the dog, by the way. Oh. It doesn't support this format. I'm like, dang it. The Siege at Hanubia or whatever that is, that's one of them. I'm like, darn it. I've listened to enough to know.

You know, after Wes and Woody's experience and some of the other experiences, I've heard people with fairly aggressive experiences, I'm wondering if you think, because I think these guys are very dangerous, I think they can be very dangerous, and they would never want to go be careful what you wish for kind of thing, let's said. Exactly. But do you think that there can be, like, they're almost like people, like there's some of them that are just not?

or you think they're just across the board. I mean, they're all dangerous because they're wild animals. I get that. But do you think that there are some in some areas or some tribes or whatever they are, are extremely more aggressive than others? Oh, certainly. Because I've heard stories of them actually helping people and stuff sometimes. Well, now here's something they're considered too,

and I'm going to put this out in my next book, we may have more than one species. I think that too. One is what I call a Sasquatch. It lumps everything that's done this now for... Yeah, I don't think... Some of those may be completely different than what I call the true Sasquatch,

which is predominantly here in the Northwest. Yeah, see, I agree because some people, like you said, some people describe them as having more of a monkey face, some people describe them as looking exactly like people. I mean, some of those... I don't know how you guys feel about this, but some of those sketches that were done

in David Politis's book with the witnesses, I mean, some of those look really, really human, you know? Right, and I don't think you can't lump that all under variation within the species. Right. Right, and I've heard that people say that the ones, actually I've heard, the ones more towards the East Coast and like the Florida Skunkake type thing tend to be more aggressive than the ones in the Pacific Northwest. I mean, that's a generalization that I've heard,

but again, I think the skunk ape is a totally different thing. And that could be a third variety in itself. Yeah, than what's a good. in the Pacific Northwest. And the ones in the Pacific Northwest, obviously the ones living in a cooler climate seem to be a lot bigger and more body mass than the ones

like the Arang Pendek is supposed to be really, really small. Well, I live in warm weather, you know. There's definitely different species, I think. Yeah, there are plenty of differences to look at to make that, put that thought together. If that's the case, then the Yeti, living in the Himalayas, it's got to be huge. I mean, yeah, I don't really know enough about the Yeti, but that certainly.

Worldwide, there could be kind of is a better bullet. Bigfoot, right. I never like that term just because so much Squatch or now I kind of like the term. Right. I prefer to use Sasquatch rather than Bigfoot. Yeah, I do too. Even though it's an anglicized term in itself, it's still doesn't have all the salinas attached to it that Bigfoot does. Right.

Not as much anyway. Hey, Melissa, out of curiosity, how do you listen to the show? Well, usually I listen to it on my phone. When I'm outwalking the dog, I'll put it on. Like on YouTube or something? Yeah. I think I pull it up on YouTube on my phone or sometimes my tablet. But every once in a while you guys will put on a show

and I'll say this, you know, is not supported by the YouTube user doesn't have this format supported or something like that. You'll have to watch it on your PC. Oh, okay. Yeah, if you go and download the app Stitcher on your phone or on your tablet, you can download it if it's an Android or Apple. But if you download Stitcher and then search for us in there, you'll find us, and you should be able to get all the shows. You won't have any format. Sometimes YouTube doesn't like some of the music I put on there, and so that's why, I think on the siege of Honabi, it was the music I was playing with the gunfire going off.

let me ask you this, Melissa, and I know we're getting down on time, but I wanted to ask you, so how did this whole experience affect you, have actually seen these things? You know, they're out there. You know, it's kind of like you were saying before, because I had the same opinion. I always thought big for it was kind of a joke until it, you know, it's all fun in games until it happens to you. But how did it kind of change you? Right. Yeah.

How did it affect you? How did this whole experience kind of affect you and affect your life? I have to say one of the things, and this might not be something you hear every day, but having looked back on it and figuring out what it is, what I believe it was, in a weird kind of way, it gave me almost like self-confidence because I'm to the point now where if I tell somebody and they don't believe me or they try to tell me I saw a squirrel or something, I don't care anymore. I saw what I saw.

You can like it or you can lump it. I used to have problems with, I wouldn't want to tell anybody because I'd think I was crazy. I don't care anymore if you think I'm crazy. And that's transferred into other aspects of my life. You know what I mean? It is what it is. If you like it, you like it. If you don't, you don't.

But that's what it was. Yeah, I can understand because I was the same way as a young guy, you know, except amongst herself. And after a while, I just said, well, the hell with it. I, you know, I know what I saw. And if somebody doesn't want it, you can do that. And I've told people, you know, don't try to tell me what I saw. saw because you don't know, you weren't there. You don't know what I thought.

And you know, at least for every one person that comes out and tells, you know, if they weren't there, what are you laughing at somebody for? You weren't there. You didn't see it. You don't know what. If you got a story, tell it. And like I said, I look at other people's stories. If somebody tells me that the Bigfoot looked in their bedroom window and waved at them,

I'm going to believe them because you know what? I wasn't there. Yeah, and there's a lot of stories out there. and it's pretty hard to ignore that. You know what gets me too? Since we're on this, we'll go off, right? What kind of gets me too is,

I know there's other, I've heard before, I've heard, I don't know. I'm not an anthropologist, and I'm not a, you know, whatever. There are species out there that have been identified solely on tracks because they found a track, they didn't know what it was,

they classified it or whatever, and I don't know why they won't do that with the Sasquatch will print. You know, I think for so long after, you know, green and the end of the, through that time period, people were willing, that's when, you know, you know, so people who are waiting to see which way good people, you know, there are, like yours, are good, so. Right, because if you had, if you've got 2,000, 10,000 people that say they've seen this, 10,000 people say, I saw you kill this guy, you'd be in jail.

If you had three people that say, I saw you kill this guy. You know what I'm saying? Usually only one if you get one. Right. Yeah, that's exactly it. If it was tried to court and court, the case would have been solved. Well, you know what? I do think that we have in the last, I don't know how many, maybe 10 years, maybe more,

but I do think in the last few years, there are more credible scientific people willing to come into this and take a look at it, like you, John Bendernagels and people like that, and that are honestly, I think it's getting less stigmatized for a professor and a university or a legitimate scientist to come out and say,

I want to look at this and not have to worry about losing his tenure or whatever. I think it's getting to that point where more and more people that the other scientific community will take more seriously anyway are starting to step up

and come into it. I think that's a good thing. I think even more so it's better that the general public is more willing. That is very true. And I think once that happens on a really big scale, then the scientific point they need to start paying attention. Right. And it kind of drives me crazy when somebody says,

man, I heard this guy came out and he told his story about he saw this big foot and he gave all these details. And it was just amazing because the guy was a sheriff. I'm like, well, great, you know. I'm going to sheriff, but I saw the same thing. But, you know, I mean, I understand they're trained in observation and things like that. But, I mean, and it's good that these people are coming out and saying that. I'm not saying it's not good.

But it drives me nuts when people take someone this person's word for it over that person's word for it because this person has as a policeman or as a doctor or is a whatever. And their powers of observation aren't necessarily any better than anyone. else's. Right. But because they have a badger whatever automatically. No, yeah. I mean, I agree with you on that, Melissa. I mean, it titles me nothing really. Especially this subject. Right. Sure, appreciate you coming on though, Melissa, sharing your experience with us. I mean, God, I don't know what I'd do if I was driving and someone pacing my car, you know. I can't even imagine what you went through that day. I went through a heck of a lot less than you guys did. I can tell you that. Yeah. I was

I would have definitely stroked out if I was in your car and they were creeping up on my car and I was sitting there, I would have been like inside the glove box. Yeah. At least they were in a car. I walked through the tree line, pushed my way through some brush with just a 22 in my hands, and there was one standing right in front of me. And then another one came off from behind me. I can't think of almost any Bigfoot experience that wouldn't scare the crap out of somebody.

Yeah, I haven't heard any of that, I mean, other than, you know, I've talked. You know, there's plenty of stories like that, but it's always the close. Yeah, if you're close enough to actually see what you're looking at, it's going to scare you. I don't care who you are, I don't care how big you are, and how tough you think you are. If you see one of these things close enough, it's going to scare you. It's an underwear-changing experience. Definitely, the frivolator kind of experience. Exactly.

Bring the ego down a few notches. Yeah. You know what? I don't know this sounds horrible. Because sometimes I don't, I do watch, but I don't want. But that girl I'm finding Bigfoot, I still hope one just comes up and just gives her a big old moot drain on the whip. You know, she's, the guy says, oh, I saw it and it was 20 feet away, and she'll be like, well, it was probably a squirrel. And I'm like, really?

A squirrel. Really? A squirrel, really? That was a big squirrel. I want to say, you know, I'll take her out and drop her off in a couple of areas, I know, and come back and tell me you saw a squirrel out there. Yeah, and you know what? I've gone on her Facebook page, and I've said,

if you really want to see one, you're going about it the wrong way, first of all. Oh, they're all doing the wrong way. Yeah, with the camera crew and your life. That's the operation I've ever seen. Yeah, and screaming, you're not going to see one. No wild animals going to react to... I just really hope that it happens for her because, I don't know. It's like the biggest skeptics are the one you hope, you know what I mean?

Yeah. I hope you wake up one morning and one's looking in your bedroom window and you just have to go change your underwear. Have a whole different perspective on life. It'd be nice if it happened for all four of them. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Well, Arles, I appreciate you.

I appreciate you coming on. Yeah, thank you so much. I love your guys in this show. Yeah, we appreciate it. You know, it's very, very similar to a number of them. I've heard sped up and the thing. Yeah, one thing that Melissa said that really caught my attention was you don't realize the size of them. And I remember before when people would talk about Bigfoot, how her Sasquatch, how it was eight feet tall.

You know, and I remember thinking, well, if you take a person, you know, if you take a person and you make them eight feet tall, that's basically what they saw. And it's not even the same caliber. No. Calibur. I mean, the height, I get estimated my height because I think when I held my arm up, roughly the height, when people say, oh, and I'm saying at least eight, you know, in front of the chest of the back, let alone the width. Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely a shocking moment.

I know, I know, I know. You guys ran into. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, you know, that's, it's just, when you see the size of them, you're just like, it's hard to put it in words. To somebody who's never seen it. Right. Well, it's nice talking to you, Will. It's nice talking to you tonight. You two, West, as always. Thanks folks for joining us this week and tune in next week again for Saskatch Chronicles. Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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