Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:160 Multiple Incidents

Episode Date: November 1, 2015

Tonight I speak with two guests. My first guest shares with us three separate incidents that happened to him. The first guest writes "Brown County State Park, east of Nashville, Indiana spring of 1990. I was operating a crane during a change-out at Otis Elevator in Bloomington, Indiana 7   12 hour shifts for 2 weeks.   My cousin was getting married in Columbus the next day and I was going to stay in Columbus, go to the wedding, then back to Otis for the last half of my shift. About 1-1:30 am I was coming to the entrance to the state park, in the middle of the road a guy was doing jumping jacks trying to get me to stop.  I pulled over, pulled out my Rugar 10-22 just in case and stepped out of the van. Something was on the north side of the road about 30 ft. up. This guy was scared to death, I jumped back in the van, unlocked the door and he dove in. We were being pelted with good size rocks. The guy had crapped his pants and I don't blame him.   In the rear view we could see the silhouette of this thing, it was big and pissed.   We stopped at the gas station about a mile east and he changed into a pair of sweats I had in the back.  We did not go back to check out what the thing was or if it was still there." I will also be speaking to Tony who is a truck driver and had an encounter while on the job. He will talk about some recent sightings that he just had and talks a little bit about his research. Tony saw a creature on two legs running a long the highway.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of the damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. What were here, please? See them. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm working right at him. Saskwatch Chronicle.

A place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you this evening. I was just laughing about the comments from Friday's show. I made the comment. There's some drinking game out there now. Every time I say I appreciate people take show.

shots and I was kind of messing with the audience saying I appreciate as much as I could to get the audience loaded. And some of the comments are pretty funny. If you get a chance, go to Sasquatronicles.com and check it out. Friday show was cool. If you missed it, spoke to three separate witnesses who have had three completely different encounters, one-time encounters, fascinating encounters. and I want to thank my guest for coming on on Friday.

If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. My guest tonight, I'll be talking with Tony Burke, who is a researcher. He's still a truck driver, but he had an encounter while he was out driving truck and it got him involved into the research. He'll be coming up shortly. my first guest, though, tonight, is Eric. And Eric actually had three separate encounters.

And Eric, thanks for coming on the show. I really do appreciate you being here tonight. Oh, you're welcome. And I know your son kind of pushed you to come on the show, so I want to thank him for that, for listening. And I was really interested in the encounters. There's three separate encounters that you sent me. I guess we can kind of start with the first one.

If you would, just kind of tell us what you guys were out doing. Walk us right into it. Tell us what you experienced. Well, I was living out in Lake Tahoe right on the east shore, the lake on, oh, it's U.S. 50. And it goes through a tunnel down the state line where all the casinos are. And I was working at the Gold Nugget Casino at night and running a crane probably two, three, four days a week for Nevada generator systems. They had in the paper that, oh, I guess the guy's name was Clark, he was going to try to run a jet boat at five, 600, whatever miles per hour he could get out of it. And Lake Tahoe is real nice and flat.

I mean, it looks like glass. And a buddy of mine, Mike and I, we went down to Manney's Cave Rock, which is on the other side, the south side of the tunnel. we walked in and we said asked Manny and Pat if we could go up on top of the rock and they said no problem so Mike and I climbed to the top and Mike had told

Manning and Pat come on up with us and they said well we got stuff to do we'll be up there a little while if we can well we got to the top and we heard them start to come up the trail and we were I was sitting there drinking a beer I was 21 at the time so it was legal

and the guy had ran one run. And I mean, when he went across that lake, he was scooting. They wanted to see it. Of course, wild world of sports and a bunch of TV cameras were down by the lake, and we had to cut. We couldn't really see to the north, but down to the south, we could see. Manny and Pat got to the top, and Mike and I both looked over our shoulders,

and behind Manny and Pat, there was this huge, monster. I mean, it was back there probably 60, 70 feet. We looked at each other and it was gone when we looked back. And Manning and Pat looked at us and like the hell's wrong with you guys.

And we both knew nothing. Nothing. We're just watching the boat. I mean, Mike and I never said a word. I mean, we just looked at each other and even after we left, after the boat exploded, the boat hit up on the second run or third run, the boat hit a stick in the water,

it blew up. And we were like freaking out, so we all went down the hill. Swank and I went back to the marina and told him that the guy had hit a log or a stick or whatever. Because we could see it from our vantage point.

Well, we never said anything, and we just went on about our business. Now, my girlfriend at the time, she'd taken off. She got married to some guy in the Air Force. some captain, whatever. And I didn't have a ride to work every night.

I would call Pat. I used to walk because there was only about three miles. And I would call Pat or Manny if I couldn't get a ride from where I was at. And I thought, I wasn't going to walk at way anymore. And I always got a ride to work. But I would run down there. We kept the crane at the Safeway. I'd go down there and fire that thing up, but I couldn't drive it back to it as my personal vehicle.

But that's the first one. And this is 1980. Can you kind of describe for the audience what you saw? It was, well, when we look back over our shoulders, there's a huge rock that on me, it came up to just above my crotch. This thing was standing back behind there, and its knees, we couldn't see its knees. And we looked at it, and its arms were kind of down at its side. and then it started to raise its arms. And that's when we looked at each other.

I mean, its face was like expressionless. It didn't look like a monkey. I mean, it looked like a huge, hairy person. And I mean, the muscles, you know, I'm six foot six and I had been out of the Marine Corps for about a year. And I was pretty well whipped. And not too many people take me on. Same thing was Swank.

Swank was a bike. He was probably six foot three. But this thing, I walked behind that rock and he just, you know, looked at me and he shook his head. He never said, Swank never said anything. He just shook his head and walked on down the hill. And I never bothered looking. I didn't want to go follow what the hell this thing was. never asked anybody, never made a comment, just stored it away and wanted to forget it.

That was it. It was able to move so quick. And we just turned our heads to look at each other, looked back, and it was gone. That was it. Did you and your friend ever talk about it? No, we never said no. No, never. I mean, we used to go up to Keynes Beach.

we'd go to Auburn, we'd go to Sacramento, and he would, I'd have to go down there and drop the boom truck off, not a crane, but drop it off, and we'd be do hospitals and things like that, and he would pick me up and act as my oiler, and come back to Tahoe or we'd stay in Kings Beach, we never said a word about it. And how many years later was your second incident? That was, it was probably 86. I was back here in Indiana, and we were doing an Otis elevator over Bloomington and shut down for like two weeks. And we were doing seven days a week, 12 hours a day. And what my job was to, was to change out crane rails that were in the loading bay. And I had a little 10-ton crane in there. my cousin was getting married in Columbus,

which is about 50 miles away from Otis Elevator. And I made it out with Jack Knieley for him to take over for me so I can go to the wedding and then scoot back as quick as possible so that we didn't lose any hours to somebody else. So I got off at midnight. I jumped in the van and started coming across 46, which goes through a little town called Nashville. There's probably the largest state park in Indiana, Brown County State Park.

And we'd always had, you know, picnics and parties and go fishing and things like that. There's a great place. As I'm coming up to the entrance, Brown County State Park, I see a guy doing jumping jacks in the middle of the road. I mean, it was, I'm like, what the hell is this doing? And so I slowed down. He was trying to get me to stop. And when I stopped, I always carried a Mossburg persuader and a Ruger 1022 with me. I figured maybe this guy's trying to set me up.

I've heard about that before. So I just pulled out the River 1022. And I didn't unlock the passenger door, and he's going, let me in, let me in. I get out. And he's going, there's something up on the hill. Now, 46 is a two-lane highway, but it has white burns. so it could actually probably be a slow-moving forelay. But then on the north side there's this huge ditch,

and then this hill that goes up probably 15, 18 feet. And it's all a rock face. It's where they probably blast the leg to remove so that for the roadbed and for proper drainage. And Sutton was up there making one hell of a bunch of noise. And this dude said, it. That thing's been following me.

I don't know what it is. It's throwing rocks. About then, here comes a slab. You know what Sandstone is, right? Yeah. Okay. That's what came down,

and it hit and scooted across the boat. And I was like, what in the hell is that? And I'm looking at I don't see anything. And I said, dude, let's just get, and then it started going off, making all kind of crazy-ass noises.

And I just jumped in, unlocked the door, and I had a 360 in this van, and I stomp on the gas. We got the hell out of there, and I'm looking in a rearview, and there's something in the middle of the road. Now, I'm probably about 200 yards away from it by this time, but I mean, it's still in the road, and it looked pissed, but it looked big, too. What kind of noises was it making? It was making, you've heard mountain lines, right? You know, it sounds like it. It was doing something like that, only it was lower.

It was, it was rattling the trees. There's a whole lot of trees up there. It was making all kinds of noise, and it was intimidating this, dude. He had been working downtown Nashville, and what he was going to do is just walk the back roads by the fairgrounds, and then he was going to go over the hill to where the hotel was. but he wasn't familiar with the area. He walked past that

and came out, where he came out all the way to the Grand County State Park, and there's that little, there's a little road right there. He took him a long time. He probably got a ride a lot earlier if he would have known the path. But he said,

after he passed, that one road, that's where this thing picked up on. And it just paralleled him. and followed him all the way out of the road, staying back in the trees, and there's a couple cabins back up there. And I guess there was nobody in him,

but he said he was scared really bad. And it was so bad when we started driving away, I smelled something. And I looked at him and he goes, I shit my pants. And I carried basketball stuff with me. I had sweat pants and shorts and stuff, and we went up to the,

store up by the K-O-A campground and he went and changed his clothes and I took him all the way back to Greensburg I mean I didn't get back to Columbus about 3 o'clock in the morning Did he ever say what he thought it was? No. I never even asked a dude his name and he didn't ask me his.

We just, I mean, all I said was what is that smell and then I gave him some clothes and I was like, take that crap off putting bag and, you know, I said, I'll take you home. We never talked about it. It was the same thing as the first one. I wasn't going to say anything. I'm a crane operator.

If I say something like that, they're going to be drug testing me. I wanted to ask you, as you were driving off and you see this thing in your rear rear mirror, was it on two legs or was it on four? Could you tell? It was standing up. Oh, I could tell. No problem. And it never popped in a.

my head that this was the same thing that I saw before. You know, since then, I've been thinking back and trying to remember, and I'm like, I think it's probably the same species or whatever, but, you know, it's a great big river monkey. And then you had a third encounter. How many years later was this third one? About five weeks ago. And if you would, just walk us right into it. What happened in that encounter? Well, I was standing in. right behind the house and I had the puppy and Jack out here

let them do their business and all of a sudden back in the woods about probably 350, 400 yards away from where I'm standing our coyotes going like crazy now I've heard that fore and they're taking a deer down so I throw the dogs back in the house

get in the office, grab me a shotgun put five rounds in the tube and two in my pocket and I started huffing back there. And I went around to the backside of the lake, and I was going to cross the creek. It was too overgrown, and I hadn't been back there since spring. And so I followed the creek down to the culvert,

and across the culvert, and there's a big opening up there. It's probably 150 foot from the culvert to the first tree, maybe a little bit further, but it's probably 75-80-foot crossed. and it's pretty well open. There's a little bit of volunteer trees. But when I got in there, I didn't hear you the coyotes anymore. And I figured they got the deer down and they're chowling on it. And so I started sneaking back there.

And I passed this one tree that's like a big fir or a cedar tree, but the limbs go all the way to the ground. And so you can't really see what's behind it. And there's this little opening, probably 40, 50 foot by 35. it. And then there's another stand of trees and then some big brush on the right hand side and the forest on the left. And I got up there and I'm right in the middle of it.

And I'm looking at this tree in front of me and I'm like, where's the damn coyotes? And all of a sudden I hear a deer snorts. Deer snorts, they're, you know, pretty common. Then I heard a deer snorts my right. And I'm like, what is? And then they started going back and forth. And it started to sound like an engine going back and forth. And I'm like, what in the heck's going on?

And then I realized something is moving to my left flight. And I start looking that way and I point the shotgun towards that way. And then there's a snort over there and those two stop. And then they start snorting like crazy. And I can hear something moving through the bush off to my right flight. And I'm like, I don't like this. and I heard whatever it was got all the way behind me and he's behind that tree

that's when I popped around it and that's when they started doing the big time snorting back and forth and then making other little noises and I'm like I've never heard this before I'm starting to freak out and so I just yelled out I'm getting out of here because I thought it was maybe somebody playing with me

but by that time it's pretty much dark. The sky is still a little bit blue, but I can't see anything in the woods. And so I back out and I keep fainting a shotgun around. And whatever was behind me followed me to the west as all the way as I went out. And when I crossed over the culvert, I was probably 50 foot past the culvert. whatever it was, either jumped or stepped across that creek and broke a huge branch. And I made a phone call. I called my aunt and I said, get the shot or get the 30 out six out.

I'm coming up there and I'm coming back down here to see what this is. And as I'm on the phone, one of the rocks that we use back on the dam, which is a big, oh, two and a half pound rock, it comes flying over my head. and I'm like, oh, shit. And that's what I said in my end. She says, what did you say to me? I said, a rock just flew over my head. I said, I've got to go.

And I hightailed it back up the house, and I went in to talk to them. On the meantime, I called my son, and he says, coyotes, they eat coyotes. And I'm like, why would they eat coyotes? They probably taste like dog. and but he explained it to me and I was like okay so I settled down and I came back to my house and I'm covered with birds I mean I look like I'm in a gilly shape

I'm like gee many Christmas and Luke calls me back and says why don't you why don't you go down to the lake take the spotlight go to the end of the lake and sit on the dock and just listen and see if you can hear anything going across in the woods and I was like okay that sounds like a good idea

So I stepped out on the back porch, and I had a K bar with me with no weapon. And I had my little spotlight. And as I was standing on the porch, I lit a cigarette, and on the side of our house, it was like something had snacked the crap out of one of the big trees. I got three big trees over there. And I mean, it made a crack not quite as loud as a rifle going off, but it was loud enough that it startled me. And I ran around the corner real quick to see what it was.

And I'm shining the spotlight and I'm shining it up in the tree. I'm like, what in the house? You know, there's no wind. What is that? And I called my aunt and I said, turn on the security lights. And it's just light up like a fortress. And so she went and lit it up and I walked back to the shotgun. And as she turned the lights on, something ran between the house.

houses, down the swale, and then back out towards this. I have a burn pile back here. Now I got that shotgun, and I put a double-up up shot, and then slugs. And then I put two slugs in my pocket, and I put one in the pipe. And I started walking back out here, shining and spotting. And I'm looking, and I start hearing clicking. Like, can you hear that? Yeah, like, are you talking about like tongue, tongue pops?

Yeah, yeah, tongue clicking. And I'm like, what in the hell is this? And I'm not quite the back of the barn, but I'm hearing this, but I can't see anything, whatever it is, is behind the pile. And then I hear down by the edge of the pond, I hear a, like a bird call, and I'm like a night, whatever that is. And then I heard a sec, went over to the, by Johnson's farm. And I'm like, uh-oh, whatever it is, they're converging.

And then Luke calls up, and I tell him what's going on. And he says, get the hell out of there, just get to the house. So I just retreated back to the house and I unloaded the weapon. And I locked the doors. Well, about then, somebody to the west of us, we got a subdivision probably a quarter mile of the west. Somebody starts shooting. Now, by this time, it's completely blackout. completely dark.

And whoever's shooting is shooting a lot. My uncle calls me up and says, are you shooting? And I said, no. And I said, I think it's over at Blackout. He says, go over and check it out. So I get in the van and I drive over there.

By then, there was two cops, and one of them was pulling out. The other one had a pistol in his hand, and he's talking to a guy. And the guy is pointing back to the woods and I'm like oh hold on hold on you know I'm not going to stop and talk to the top I got shut in in the car so I went around came back and it says on Sunday the next day go out in the woods

and see what you can see I'm like all right I'm going to take the 30 on sick now the next day on 11 o'clock I got out there and just felt normal and I went all the way to the west end of the probably about four or five hundred yards. And there wasn't really anything. It was right back behind Blackout. And I went all the way to the east end, just back to where I had originally had this weird ass encounter. And there were parts and pieces of coyote.

There was about three skulls, I should say heads. and then there were the front part, and it was like they had been torn, you know, pulled part. And I was like, whatever it was, I don't want to meet it. And I swung back around, I'm going to go by Morales's house,

which is a half a mile away. And I started coming back, and, I mean, it was so thick that, you know, I had a hard time getting back over here, but I eventually did, and I was like, there's nothing there. Nothing but that.

ripped up coyotes. But when I got back here, one of my neighbors, I was talking to cross up in Johnson. Johnson said two fences were tore down over Blackout. And two dogs were missing. That's pretty much the end of that.

What part of the country are you and Eric? I'm in Columbus, Indiana. I mean, I'm right next to, I'm just south of 46. We've got But it's probably close to three-quarters, maybe more, of woods that are 400-foot or 400-yard thick. And it goes pretty much from 350 all the way to the cut-through for the Turtle Bay Edition. Did you ever get a chance to talk to the neighbor?

No, I talked to one of them a few years ago. He'd posted something on BFRO. he was a senior at Columbus East High School. And Luke had found it and says, oh, can you go over and talk to him while I was like, yeah, sure. And went over and I talked to the guy's dad, and he says, yeah, he saw something out here. And the reason I knew it was this addition over here

is because it said a city park with a lake, and there are 11 city parks in Columbus, and only one of them has a lake, and that's right next to us. and then, oh, two years ago, the kids were out in the pond. I had a kayak, and they were screwed around with a kayak in a John boat. And my uncle, he calls me up and says, come over here and take a look at this. I went over, there was something down on the other side of the dam, moving back and forth.

He goes, what is that? I don't know. He said, go down there and check it out. And so I got down there, and that time I got there was nothing there. but he said what did you see he says I don't know there's something black and it's bobbing back and forth whatever

but that's been probably three years but we've got camp atabaries just to the north and to the west of us and then we have what's called Columbus Youth Camp and at the same time I went over and talked to the guy at Black

about that BFRO report I just went ahead and drove on down to youth camp and the guys were close was up for the night, and I said, you guys ever see anything strange around here? And they were like, like, what? And I said, I don't know, just, you know, something strange. And they were like, you need big foot. And I was like, well, yeah, you know, they go, yeah, they're back here.

We call them river monkeys. And I was like, what? That's interesting. So they actually call them river monkeys, huh? Yeah, apparently, well, then I started talking about my cousin. And I said, river monkeys. And they said, yeah, I remember grandpa used to talk about river monkeys and that his farm is just north about four miles. And the river goes right through it.

He'd always, I remember grandma, say, don't tell them that. You'll get something in their head they can't get out. And over them, okay. When that one ran between the home, did you actually see it or was it more or less you could hear it running in between the houses? I heard it and I saw it. My back porch is on the east side. It's like just a chunk taken out of the house. And trees, I can't see him from the back porch,

but I got a raspberry patch here. And then I got a big bush on the end of it. And when Evelyn turned on the lights, I saw it. It was just scooting behind that big bush. And that's when I got the shotgun. and went down there, and I looked in the ravine right back behind here, and there's one, two, three, four, five, six, six big trees right there.

And I'm trying with one hand, and I've got a shotgun in the other. That's what I heard it doing, clicking over here at the burn pile. And so I came back, and I went toward the front side of the barn, and then started going down the west side of the barn, and that's when I heard the damn bird call, and then something else, the bird call, and clicking over towards Johnson's horse pastor, and I was like, that's it.

Thank God, let's call. I'm out of here. Yeah, I don't blame you. There's a time to be brave and at a time to skiddle. Can you describe what you saw? Well, whatever went to the burn pile, it wasn't all that big. I mean, I was thinking, okay, And that's maybe my size.

I'm 66. And the one, it was much smaller than the one I saw at Tahoe. And I really know how big that one was over Brown County, but it was damn good size. Who was it? We put a timber frame up then and pay only. And this lady paid, how, quarter million dollars for that house. And I went down there to show it a buddy of mine in the construction business.

and this has been probably 91 or 92 and she had it for sale and I said I asked her I said but why are you selling it? She says there's something out here in the woods I'm scared of it I'm not staying out here anymore and she moved and I never knew what it was but then there were some reports

that came from Paoli that some of the truck drivers that deliver all cell gas You know, the natural gas homes, they'd run across some of these things. And then over towards Story, which is in Brown County, South of 131, South on 135, I had a couple buddies that deliver gas down in that way, so they almost ran over one that was in the middle of the road. About 4 o'clock in the morning was through a cold out.

That's been 10 years ago. Well, it definitely keep me updated on anything that going on around that process. if you would, Eric, if you don't mind. I would love to hear if there's anything else going on around the property. Do you hear them often on your property? Not, no, not at all. Everyone's like in the fall, I think they come over to hunt whatever it is and Luke's more up on it than I. And he's saying that, you know, coyotes and, you know, some of the other predators are in competition.

with them and they're going to take them out first so that they got to do. And Luke's, he works at Miami University over in Oxford, Ohio, and he was living down in Riley, and he gets off at 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock in the morning, and he was sitting in his driveway, and he's out in the middle of nowhere. And he said he turned the radio on, and he was just sitting there chilling out. He looked over and saw knees. look out of his car window and it walked off

and he said he didn't turn the lights on he just watched it and they got a security light back behind the house and there's a tree house it's 10 foot up in the air and he says this thing ducked

to get into the tree house he needs to talk to him too but we're gonna Luke's your son we're gonna go yeah loose my son he's bigger than I am

yeah well definitely keep me updated and yeah send me Luke's info I would love to talk with him and talk what he's experienced. And I can't thank you enough, Eric, for coming on and sharing the encounters and just all the different experiences that you had. I still think about that poor guy that you picked up, that crapped himself. He was so freaked out, man. But, I mean, once we got everything taken care of down there at the Shell Station, I just said, where do you live?

And he says, I'm going to Greensburg. I just took him to Greensburg. We didn't say deadly squad, about halfway between Brown County and Columbus. I turned the radio on, but we didn't say anything. Yeah, and that's actually more common than most people realize. You would think the normal reaction would be sit there and talk about what just happened, but actually the normal reaction is not to talk about it just to kind of sit there. you guys are probably soaking it in mentally, you know what I mean?

No, I was like, that didn't happen. It just didn't freaking happen. You know, that's, I think everybody's starting to see these things. Yeah, more and more people are starting to see them, and more and more people are starting to come out and talk about them. You know, a lot of guys have had on recently had encounters back in the 70s, and they're just now coming out and talking about it and talking about the things they've seen,

talk about the things they've experienced. So I think you're right. I think more and more people are coming forward and wanting to share what they've seen, what they've experienced. It's becoming more mainstream, I think. Well, like I said, you know, I'd like to speak to Luke

and keep me updated with everything else going on there. And thank you again for being here. Well, you're welcome. If I can get a hold of Luke, I'll have him give you an email and tell you about the Riley thing. Yeah, please do. Please do.

All right. And next, let's go to Tony Burke. Again, Tony is a researcher and a truck driver that had an encounter. Tony, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. No problem. Tell me about the first time you ran into a Sasquatch. Tell me about the very first encounter that you ever had.

Where were you at? What were you doing? And then just kind of walk me into the encounter, if you don't mind. What I want to tell about is me as a child up in a little bit. Ohio, right on out skirts the bell fountain. During the daytime, we heard, uh, he was in the, in the kitchen and the old house. And this is way back along the lane and way down in the valley. And there's a creek runs alongside there.

There's on the radio, I heard on the radio that, uh, that my mom is, mom and dad, everybody sitting around and, uh, listened to the radio. And I heard Bigfoot sighted in the area a few times. So I was like, I asked my dad, so where's this that? He said, it sounds like it's coming this way. You know, I put it off like, you know, I don't know if you're telling the truth or he didn't want to go to the area or whatever. But it come across that a few people cited it and where they sided it at. and uh

and what yours is Tony it was probably in the late 70s okay so you guys are sitting around as a as a family and you guys hear over the radio that there was a sighting your brother

okay yeah I think someone is doing dishes or something like that you know to kitchen work or whatever we listen to the radio and we hear to listen to the music was in a news bulletin come across and later that

night, there was dark out in everything. We had some hunting dogs. We had all kinds of farm animals, and the hunting dogs started going crazy. He started choking on their chains and stuff like that. Everything was going crazy, and Dad and everybody turned out the lights and got the gun out, and then we smelled some awful smell outside, and everybody got to collide in there, thing, and we hear a loud, long breeze right alongside the walls. We'd be right next to the walls. We'd hear it through a real old house. And my dad, he went outside of the gun, a flashlight, I guess. He couldn't find anything. He came back in. He said he sent us to into town that night. But we lost one of our dogs. We don't know what happened to it. We don't know

to broke the collar or broke the chain or anything. If I was right now, my age, I'd be out there looking for prints, you know, that when it happened. Then we skipped to about four years ago, three and a half a year, four years ago. My dad was down from Ohio, and I drive semi now, so he told me about a big foot that he's seen. He said he was seriously tall, and he was running across the field in the, His buddy is driving somewhere, and he told his buddy, he turned around. He seen a big foot, and he said he cut it off on another road,

and the guy went to the next town over, then they come back through. He's wondering where it was. He said, he doesn't go on now. And my dad had a wooded leg all his life, and he had a fish trapped all his life, and he had never seen one. And I was just a coincidence since he fell in Ohio, like about mid-Ohio. he told me that he's seen one, so I said, well, I'm going to semi now. I just started, I said, you want a different state, and all through the mountains,

everything, I started looking, you know. I start paying attention more way out in the woods on both sides, as far as I can see. I've rode along, and I've seen things, you know, thought it might be something, or something, you know, thought it might be one or whatever. but October 2013 I picked up a load around Duncan and Spartanburg area in South Carolina I was coming back down 85 running along through Hartwell Lake and into Atlanta

and right for I was heading out of South Carolina in the evening about 4 or 5 I've seen it was just a heavy downfall rain and it was real heavy downpour rain and I come out like a wall of it and then I had my windshield walk is cleaned off and about my hallmarker number seven on Coney County County Fairplay, South Carolina. And I checked my gauges and I looked something when I come on my peripheral vision to the right.

And I looked up. And it couldn't be no way in my face, clear, big foot. I've been looking, you know, running up and down that road, same road for interstate system for a long time, you know. every day just about it and delivering, making deliveries to South Carolina, North Carolina, and looking both ways and everything. Just thing just happened to come right out

right in front of my semi so alongside the bank, it's still in the grass. And I hit my brakes a little bit. I knew the car behind me I couldn't stop, but I could slow down. So I looked, I was looking at it as, I was looking, you know,

everything about it. It looked like a tall Chebacca, you know. It looked like over 10 foot. A long-haired arms like a rangatang that's kind of wavy. And long hair, back to head and the neck, like a horse's mane. And a short hair all over the body like a reddish-brown dead finnial color. I was in there watching it run. It's like it was so smooth.

It didn't run like human with arms going up and down or, uh, body, you know, thighs and fall and dropping. It's just like a steady, smooth flow, and his hair was straight back like somebody was on mosephop. And I was watching, I was thinking, you know, I know what I was named for it is, Bigfoot or whatever, but the man is just run along the side of the estate. And I said, what's this running? Running after?

And I was thinking, what's it? I was thinking, what's it? I was thinking Bigfoot. I looked down his feet, and I couldn't see his feet. It's all covered with hair. And then, I was like, what's the thing maybe running to or whatever? I got my bumper right up next to it. I was looking over at it, and it ran straight back up into the woods.

I looked back into the woods. I started to pull over, and I was like, well, I can't go in the woods with it without, you know, some kind of gun protection. And everything, I wanted to get video and just chase it and just, you know, stay on it, whatever. And I just can't do it. went back to Georgia, then I had to eventually got my gun care permit, went back, went into the area. There's old barns in that area, and old house that was for sale, been for shelf for shelf a long time. And there was barns and hay and barns and everything. That was the first one, October 2013.

It was like early in the month. then I've seen I really seen like one every you know a couple months or one every month or one every month

or at least a year and a half 2014 and 2015 I've seen them in Georgia South Carolina North Carolina and Tennessee and I think one

Is it mainly when you're on the road is when you're seeing them Yep right there on like a side road or a major interstate. Seen one on side road in Calhoun, Georgia. It was over where Trail of Tears started on 225, right off of the I-75. You'll east on 225, right off 75, about a mile on the right.

It's got a trail of tears started over there in one place, and it keeps all cut down there saying the old building is back in there. I told my, there's creek running along there too, and a river also. And I was riding on and having a daughter in the car. I said, there's one right there. I said, look. And I don't think she's seen it. She won't look what I tell her to.

And then I looked, I pulled into the entrance. And she said, no, no. I started to get out of cars. I had my gun and my camera on. So she wanted to go to her mom's house, took her mom's house, and come back. I couldn't find it. The thing was about, about eight, nine foot.

It was black, his missing hair on the side of his face, and on the side of his arm and chest. And they're just standing there, about three foot off tree line, looking at the road there, and had about big black eyes like face, like orange, like the size of oranges. Can I ask you about your first... Can I ask you?

your question about the first encounter? Yeah. When you saw this thing on the side of the road, how far away from your truck is it running? Probably about, right there along the side of the interstate, and that bank's probably about 20 foot from it. This thing ran probably about, I say, at least 100 foot, 125 foot. Before it went off into the woodline. I watched it. It was probably running about 50.

It was moving along. I mean, it was 10 foot. It just looked like it wasn't even then to, you know, running as fast as it can. It was running, but it wasn't running as fast as can. I was thinking this thing could probably run over three or four mountains. And then before it got tired, you know, I'm thinking it's more or less, had mostly, you know, animal to it. And was it on two legs the whole time?

Yep. And were you able to get any of the facial features when you were looking at it? Negative on the first one. I've seen the size and seen the back of it. I got up there the long side of it, and it took right. Like a diagonal right up into the woods. I got you. And then how many years later was it that you saw your second one?

Yeah, it was probably a few months later. Okay. And I seen one, that one on 225, it was, something was strange about it. It had a bowl right down the stomach. Like it just ate, like about size of the basketball. I mean, it's bowled out. I got thinking a couple days later, I might have been pregnant, but it didn't have no breasts. I don't know if it just, I don't know if it just ate something.

A ate a dog or what? You know, I just don't know. Like it had like a pot-belly? Yeah, I mean, it was, yeah, I mean, it was. It wasn't a pop mother. It was a bulge. Interesting. And I don't know.

It looked like the facial expression on it, it looked like he was having a rough time. I don't know. What did the face look like? It looked like a human-shaped type face, but it had some, you know, I'd say animal kind of facial features. like a dark color you know and just didn't look human what was it mainly about the face that

that caught your chest I'm not sure I can miss some hair on the side of it about one side along the side of it and it looked spooky you know the way it looked the way it was looking

was a road and uh you've seen That was in the Bessemer City, North Carolina. That's right on the I-85, a couple hours, two and a half, three hours, right above the Colony County, went on the same side, the same interstate. And it was on north side, 85, it was the Bessar City, North Carolina, and I was coming back to the load up there for an evening. And I was looking up through the power line, and one ran down the power line.

This looked like the juvenile. It didn't have no, it wasn't skin, it was no hair. And this thing ran down the fire line like a jay shape out into the woods. And the same was, it looked like it was having a good time, but it wasn't, you know, from our society in everything. It looked like he was, you know, kind of laughing, you know, having a good time. But it was just something strange about it. And I went up past one exit, went up to the next exit.

I went back. There's old hotel shut down there. A lot of air conditions out of them and everything. Filled furniture, and I parked in there. And, you know, anything can crawl up in any of them places and stay warm. And I walked down through the woods and searching that area, and I found a big deer down there. I think it was chasing that deer. And one of the bus there.

What do you mean it was having a good time? You know, a kid running down, you know, kind of full stride. It was, you look at somebody, you know, it looked like it was, you know, like it really had a good time. I got you. So just the impression. Like it was playing, maybe. Yeah, the impression you were getting. And, yeah.

I got you. So I think he was chasing that deer down in that valley there. I couldn't find that big foot anywhere, and I walked down through there, and all that place up there was right above on that next hill there. There was an old house that was there, and the window was out of it, and I looked at the window and that was a big hole in the ceiling of it, and then I was looking around for hand-prints or finger-pressing anything, and I couldn't see anything, and there's a few old checks there with hay in them

and straw and, you know, whatever. It looks like on top of a water barn. It looked like it might have been, you know, laid down in there, I have checked that area a few times since, you know, it snowed, thinking it might go in there where it snows, maybe. Stay warm, looking for a prince and everything. I never found anything. But at the time that I went back the first time to look for it,

and everything, I've seen that deer down in there. I seen this kid walking from the store carrying some groceries I told him why I was down doing down over there and what I've seen and he said well something was throwing rocks the other day while I was walking through here

I said well they do that and I've heard of them of doing that and then I've seen one one evening and going across Fortwell Lake on a bridge I looked over

and this thing was floating like a foot underneath of water probably, I mean it was real tall right sure how it thought was that it was floating like a foot underneath the water is like a lot underneath the water the only thing was looking the only thing that was above water was

the head and they just floating across the lake you know, I was like there's not anybody see this you know I mean it was probably about 30 yards out and then so I pulled

over on the air straight off the side and they've got the ripples along the side of the interstate, and that made a lot of noise, and I put in my air brakes and made a lot of noise, and I got to send my stop. That was a long way down the road, and I had to run all the way back,

all the way back to the center of the bridge because I couldn't see around the bank if it went straight to the bank. You couldn't find it. I ran up the bank to the edge of the bridge, went up the bank, and went over into the woods. I couldn't find it,

and I had to go take the look. to where I was going to South Carolina at a certain time, so I had to go back to the truck and go on. And I seen Warren in Chattanooga one day. I was riding along where interstate splints at, and some rivers and ponds and stuff in the area. I've hiked it before, you know, after I've seen one. But I was riding along. I've seen this big foot.

way back in this power line, way blocked off the road, probably about 90 yards off the road. And all I've seen was the chest, about waste. It had been huge. It was wide. And I seen it. It was looking to traffic going back and forth on interstate. I mean, no human, you know, watch the interstate or any traffic like this thing does. this thing was shaking its head real fast, side to the side, real fast, irregularly.

And then the next I was there, during construction that and everything, and it looked, this thing jumps back. I didn't want to be seen by this car, and I don't know if it's seen, I've seen it or not, because, I mean, I was up in the semi-way or at, stay at an estate was pretty far away from it. And so about a week or so, I drove

up there, about 35 minutes from my house, north of me. I live on 705 there. And then I hiked the area, and I find all kinds of footprints. Nobody should be not wearing shoes. And the thing, but

rivers and preach and stuff that overflowed over the water washing back. back, you know, it leaves it muddy along the sides and the banks and all through that area. And I find prints here and there and everywhere. I go up there a few times a hike up to there and everything. I started a website that I'm not sure when I started that website, might be the first or second, that are citing, but I started a website, you know,

try to keep up with where they've been seen at and everything else. and know about them and try to learn everything, what I found out and all the evidence I find and try to post on there. And I had people that, you know, it's one to join my sites, I started accepting people in the home. I got district attorneys and police officers and coaches

and want to go and never want to listen. I hear about everything finding out about all walks a lot. You know, it's Appalachian, Saskatchewatch and Bigfoot research. I've had people fly in and drive in, and we go hiking there, thank, and I'm getting people joining every day. Let me ask you this, Tony. Have you ever looked at, and I'm always, and this will be kind of some skeptical questions,

so forgive me. You know, I'm surprised that more truck drivers don't see these. things. I'm always shocked when I talked to a lot of trick drivers that really haven't seen anything. I would probably expect that of everyone they would be the ones to see them. But have you ever questioned some of your sightings?

I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example. Well, I'll give you an example. I'll question my sightings. Because we have a place, like, everybody dresses up. There's Chebacca's down there. but nobody

I went through it over and over and over nobody could run like that one I've seen in South Carolina nobody's that tall they're that tall I've thought about basketball players I said anybody's this tall cannot run as good as this shape

everybody who has been 10 foot or more is deformed or have to run with a cane or not in show so far, you know. Well, no, I don't mean that sighting. What I mean by that is, and I'll give you an example,

and this isn't meant to question you by any means. Here's the point I'm trying to make. When I've talked to a lot of witnesses in the past, there's a common thing that happens sometimes in the psychology of sightings, especially real sightings. Sometimes you can tell when someone almost has had a real sighting by this simple fact. I've talked to, I'll give you a perfect example.

I won't say the name, but I went out to this person's property. No question in my mind that they have had legitimate sightings on their property. No question. But sometimes when I go out there, they'll go, see these two cross sticks, Sasquatch did that. And I'm just, it looks like just two sticks that fell to me. It doesn't look like anything special. or you'll see like two or three rocks on top of each other, and they'll come by and explain to you that Sasquatch did that.

And, you know, it's... Well, let me tell you, I really don't know, you know. I've never seen one actually break a stick or anything, but let me tell you something about the sticks being broke. See, I drive the interstate a lot, and I know I've heard about them, you know, being broke and everything and stick structures and stuff like that. I'm interested in, but when I'm driving along the estate and I see a broken tree

when none of them in the ground is broke and everything, and it's just out in order that it's broke, and it's like, I'm thinking this is a sure sign that, you know, a big footch broke that. Well, no, the point. I'm not sure. I'm not sure if it's me and all the information, you know, I've had it over the years and everything else, but I've actually took my GPS and you go on aerial view, and the trees are usually broke on the opposite side of the interstate.

from a pond or creek. So whatever way the tree is broke, that's facing towards, it broke towards a piece of hanging down is going towards a pond. And the pond might be 30, no, 40, 50, 100 yards out, but it's broke towards a water source. No, no, no, here's the point I was trying to make.

How long have you been driving truck? I have been driving for about four and a half years. Okay. Probably about five, if you had on, 1999 and I want to come out of the truck driver's school for about about six months. And then I went with a concrete company for 10 years. Oh, nine, it got laid off. The point I'm trying to make is you saw something that changed your life. You saw something that freaked you out.

You saw something that. That wasn't supposed to... It makes me want to, when I used to walk up the door, after seeing it, I used to walk up the door at my house, and we got woods all along the sides of it. And I'm just thinking, though, out there in my yard, this thing could run out, one could run out, grab you, carry off, no problem. There's woods everywhere, and people walking around. I mean, I thought about all this.

A long time ago, people walked around. and every day doing, you know, everything and people hiking and riding bikes and everything else and just, they just don't know. They don't know, they don't know reality. It's just, it shouldn't, if people knew, then it would change the whole society's. Reality is outside, what outside means. Right. I'm wondering, though, is you had that dramatic experience, and now when you're driving around,

Do you think that sometimes, and I only ask this question very respectfully, do you think sometimes that it's somewhat post-traumatic stress of driving around, and now you look over, and it's like, oh, no, it's... It's post-traumatic of not working 14 hours a day, which every truck driver does, is post-traumatic of what you've seen. That was so close, and it's not just one. It's several. I've seen, you know, I've seen several over the years,

and now I know I hike on weekends everything, but what that Chattanooga side is, that I had an oil company owner who was interested in seeing one or knows, you know, he's interested in a mere thing. I told him to come down, you know, and he called, and he had canceled out the first time. He'd come down to the second time. He flew all the way down to Atlanta. He's a whole company owner, Tass company owner of a guy.

We come up to Calhoun, we met up. He had his fiancee and a guy who's got up with it. What's school with? We went up next day, went up there in Chattanooga and hiked around. We've taken pictures of all the footprints and everything. I've taken gunned cast. up there and got GPS on the cast I've done and post photos in my website. And then we went back to the guy I said that he was going to bring in my vision scope.

He told me what kind of was. I looked up on YouTube, figured out how to use it before he came down. And that evening we went in there and waited till it got dark. I said this is the other area. This is actually the area I actually seen it at. And the other areas around there is where we found, you know, all kinds of prints. It's a big area in there. You walk in, it kind of overflows.

And it's got, like, a lot of, like, dead vegetation. It's, like, a foot of it. It's a real soft area. It's real open all through there and everything. And we walk in there, it's dark. We got one flashlight. I carried block 45 with extended clip just for protection. And we walked in there, I told them, I don't know what they're doing.

You know, I ain't never been in the woods with them at night or close to them in daytime, you know, out and open outside of the vehicle. So we walk in there, and I got a cell phone. I recorded Bigfoot Yos that was recording in California. That a Texas guy got a response off of a, of a... also. So I had it on my cell phone. I had a megaphone. I bought from Radio Shack.

I was on call blast, but blow it through that megaphone. And we got in there, the guy that's a wood knock on a tree. The stick, this thing responds back. It must have a stick in their hand. I don't know if they carry sticks on them or wood.

It had them so quick and had it must have a stick in the hand. It would have a wood knock. Got 35 yards out. to the left of us between us and the interstate and that's the area I wanted to go in there to look through there is a tree opening right a pass there

where we was and he did a dozen wood knock three times and it responds all three times and I think he himself it happened so quick I think he himself he only heard like once or twice everybody else heard three you know, he did wood knock, hit knock back.

And he waited. He did another wood knock, he could knock back three times. So we walked in there further. We know what's in there. And we're looking through this opening. It's an night vision scope. And it can see 100 yards. Each time to push the button on it, it goes in 30 yards.

And the darker it is, but the clearer you can see, like a daylight, to that scope. And when you pull your eye away from the scope, it's like it blinds, like a flashlight. Yeah. It takes a minute eyes to adjust back. We're looking, we can't go back in there because it's flooded all the area that's close to us. So we're sitting on the path looking through that opening there and we can't see it.

So I start doing some call blasting from my cell phone playing Bigfoot yields through that megaphone and getting no response. I did that about eight minutes. and then the guy, he yells with his hands, this thing yells back. Their big foot yells at us. And then this is the first time I've been in the woods for that yelling, one yelled.

And then not even a minute later, one yells, he's about 90 to 100 yards down the right of us. And when this one yells, it's a giant. Everybody's like, golly! The thing yells like an elephant or a lion that's got force behind it. Everybody knows this was giant, just the way it yield. I mean, it was yield, of course. And then, so we was looking around.

I've taken pictures, everybody's there, you know, in the group. And then we was looking around, not reading scope, all around, and then not even a minute, about five minutes later, this thing had traveled about 80, 90 yards. I see it here, so. It's about 25-year-old golf host. And it yelled real long yield. We could see what direction it was headed in it. And we're pretty sure it was the giant.

And then I said, well, he's coming in, you know, he's coming closer. And we was looking there for a long time for nightlyoscope. We couldn't find, you know, we looked at a flashlight and everything. We could see nothing. Then we eventually started working a way out. right there in that power line, that oil company over, we're standing there, looking around the nightly scope, and that oil company over sees it bobbing out from the tree line, then bobbed back in the tree line, waving back and forth with his body, looking out, looking back in.

And the oil company, he's describing, his name is John Thomas, he's describing the way he's feeling the whole time. He's describing his reaction, he's having a big flip. He's describing his reaction. He said, my hair's standing up along my back, and I forget what all he was talking about and everything. And then he hands me to scope, and I'm looking on the right side of the ditch. The ditch road to the big creek or river right there behind there.

I'm looking right side, and then looking over to the left a little bit, but I couldn't find it. I hand him back to the scope. He couldn't find it. So he left. We come back up there next day. I got a picture of him. He wanted a picture.

I only stick up, how tall he thinks it was. He helped stick up. It must have been a giant. I went out one day. That thing had traveled probably, you know, 70 yards, pitch black darkness and streams and round swamps and thick brush and everything. Anything that traveled all that far in about five minutes.

and I don't know anything that does that. So I'm thinking more or less the thing is not kernel. Were you able to capture any of those sounds? I mean, could I put them up on the website or do you have them available? No. I used my cell phone for call blasting and taking pictures. And, you know, I didn't have recording devices at that time. and just like that one that ran alongside the interstate in Oaktony County ran for about 150 yards

right alongside the interstate right there from my semi I'd give my right and left arm for that if I had it on a dash cam at the time yeah no I hear my name had been in history books all over the world it would have been at the bigfoot bigfoot video will have been Tony's big foot video and the classic would have been patties. No, and I understand that. Your mind's not going that way to want to look over and grab your cell phone. You're too fixed on, you know, and that's pretty normal behavior. I mean, my cell phone, I usually, my iPhone, I use a company phone that's free calls, and it's just a cheap phone,

and I have a iPhone 5F, and has iPhone 6. At the time, I think I had an iPhone 5. It might have before. I don't know. But the thing is, I always keep my smartphone turned off. I don't use it for service. I use it for Wi-Fi, taking pictures or videos. And when I pull it out of my pocket, turn it on. There's always safe batteries leaving it off.

And turn it on. That thing takes over a couple minutes just to turn on. And then you've got to go through the apps to the video. And then, you know, start shooting. And by the time, I mean, the semi-driving, you know, and then plus, you know, on the speed, ready speed I was, and the way it was going, I don't know. I wouldn't even think. I wouldn't even think about it. Very true.

Yeah, no, I hear you. I hear you. And that's understandable. A lot of people, you know, especially will say in situations. Yeah, it's a first sighting, you know, I actually had. and I've actually seen unidentified flying object before. You know, there's about 40 foot around. It was a light, great light, in May of 2015, 2014.

But this thing right here is Bigfoot. That would be the most amazing thing I've seen was the big foot. Yeah. Well, keep your eyes and your ears peeled, especially when you're out driving. man, I attach a GoPro to that windshield of yours and just have a GoPro filming constantly. But, you know, if you have anything else that happens, if you're ever out, feel free that you're always welcome back to the show.

So come on back and give us an update if you, you know, if anything new happens or if you see anything. Yeah, I bought a GoPro, and that thing had, it was a GoPro Plus, and I had about 600 and all the, it was a chest strap I was going to use and everything. when I go hiking. And on weekends, and the thing had so many sentences that I said,

I couldn't figure it out. I took it back. I said, $600 ain't sitting there. You know, then I actually had three cams that was infrared. I couldn't get them working right

and took it back. But a lot of people say, you know, get them dash cams and the cans for the size of trucks and everything. else. Eventually, maybe I will and get some side cameras and everything. I've seen another one in Jefferson, Georgia, and it's right on alongside 85. And this thing was black. It was early

morning. And it was probably about 10 foot. It was standing alongside. It's standing right next to up on the bank, off the interstate little ways. There's a lot of about 15 foot tall. pine trees on there, standing right next to the pine tree. I mean, I couldn't see no facial features, nothing. All I seen was black,

solid black, but this was a big, it was standing there, looking, you know, staying alongside, and I was just right along in the semi. You know,

I just had to go on, you know. Yeah. Thank you so much for being on the show. Okay. Yeah. See,

uh, You say this, eventually, I want to get where I can spend months out there. And then, I mean, when I first seen the one and then maybe somewhere in the time and seen the second or third one, you know, I thought about selling everything I had, you know, getting tax money and everything just living out there until I get close as long as video of one. I've actually had to pullback myself. I'm not doing that.

I don't know that I would do that. I plan on spending my vacations out there, you know, in the weeks, you know, searching. I want to search way up into North Carolina on that stretch where I've seen three. And then they actually call the one I've seen in South Carolina. Actually, a guy in North Carolina has seen, if not the same. in one and one just like it. He said when it went back in the woods,

he hit his head on this tree branch. That tree branch is 10 foot tall. They come in close to his dog. His dog chain got right around his leg. They call it Knobby. He gave it a nickname up there in North Carolina, kind of northwest of Kings Mountain about an hour and a half. And it actually had the town go out there and look for it.

They've had T-shirts and everything else. They said, Finding Nobby. I appreciate being on the show. Yeah, no, I appreciate it, too. I think that honestly, I wouldn't quit your job to get a video of one because a video of one, I think you're going to be disappointed pretty quick. I mean, it could be you could have a video of one sitting there eating, you know, and having the saliva drip out of its mouth,

and people call the fake, people call it. Oh, yeah. You were a master CGI. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so most people don't. I understand. Yeah, when it's going to come to me, it's going to be in the, you know, I mean,

I believe you don't, that's real, it's going to be real. And they've got these new things coming out, these drones and everything. I might try one of them about tax time. Yeah. Well, let me know how that works out. I know I've got a guy I'm talking to in Texas that he's using a drone, and it's a pretty advanced drone. But, you know, let me know if you're looking at him, if you need any, you know,

want my two cents on it or I can put you in touch with him and he can give you his two. He knows a million times more than I do. All right. I appreciate him, man. I appreciate you coming off in Washington all we're here in Georgia. Oh, I appreciate it, Tony. And thank you so much for coming on. All right, maybe I'll get out there sometime.

Thank you again, Tony. And thank you to the audience out there listening. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatchronicles.com for additional shows throughout the week. Until next time, everyone, have a great night. Cross the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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