Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:176 Hunter watches Sasquatch from ridge

Episode Date: December 20, 2015

I will be speaking to "D" and he writes "I was walking to my hunting spot late one afternoon and I saw a creature break a tree. This thing was wounded in the shoulder and it's left arm hung limp. I don't know if it was shot or hit by a car but it's arm wasn't being used. I was heading to my spot an it had rained the night before, it was the 2nd day of buck season. This creature broke a 6 inch tree using its right foot and it's right hand. I was squatted down in some mountain Lorele an watched it for about 10 to 12 min. The creature broke apart an old stump, I think it was eating ants. The creature milled around some and sniffed the air. I thought it could smell me but I was up on a ridge line. It looked around but I don't think it ever knew I was there. I would like to speak with you and share with you the details of what I saw." East Texas Sasquatch Expeditions Update: Bob Garrett will be coming on the show tonight to talk about some of the things they are planning for their East Texas Sasquatch Expeditions. You might be interested in some of things they are planning including having a commercial drone pilot on site during the expeditions.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister way.

You know, the look it was given me. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm working right heading. Sasquatch Chronicle. Place where people share their accounts.

Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I've got a great show planned for you this evening. I'll be bringing Dee on here shortly. And Dee actually had a very fascinating encounter. He was out hunting and had the opportunity to observe one of these creatures for about 10 or 12 minutes from a ridge line. very fascinating on what he has to say.

We'll get to that here in a moment. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatchronicles.com for additional shows throughout the week. I know last Friday, I want to thank Cliff again for coming on. We talked about that feeling of being watched and that sense of dread that people get

and why do people get that? Why do we get that sense of being watched? Why do we get that sense of dread when we're in different situations? And you don't necessarily have to be out in the woods to get that feeling. But it's a very real feeling I think everyone out there has experienced. And on Friday night, we talked for almost two hours about it. So if you get a chance, a lot of shows throughout the week, and I'm sure after the first year there'll be many, many more.

I want to wish all the listeners out there a happy new year and a Merry Christmas. I know for everyone, it's not a great time of year because of different situations. But I just want to wish you the best. I hope 2015 was good to you, and I hope 2016 is even better. So thanks for being here. Thanks for listening. First up, I want to welcome Bob Garrett to the show.

Bob, Merry Christmas to you. Thanks for being here tonight. Well, Merry Christmas to you, Wes. and I enjoy coming on the show and talking with you. You know that. Yeah, well, like I said, before we went on air, you're always welcome to the show. Always welcome to come on anytime you want.

And I know Mo, I had Mo on a couple weeks back, and he was talking about the East Texas expedition you guys are doing. And for those out there who are interested, I'll give the number out a couple times. but to contact Mo, the number is 443-798-7698. And Bob, do you want to tell us a little bit about the expedition? Yes, we have been thinking a lot about doing these expeditions. I have kind of changed my attitude a little bit about my areas,

and I have watched a lot of people who were non-believers or people who, had not had any experiences, I've totally enjoyed watching them have their experiences. And I think I'm just about experienced pretty much everything I want to experience. So we have decided to actually, you know, start taking people out on these expeditions, of course, you know, we do ask a fee. and most of that is going to, you know, feeding everybody in equipment and, you know, permits and things of that sort. But I really enjoy. I discovered that for me it's really, I really enjoy watching these people have their experiences.

I don't know. It's almost like being in a whole different world, experiencing something that just really, isn't supposed to exist. Everybody tells you that, you know, no, this doesn't exist, but yes, it really does. And taking them downriver and taking them upriver and taking them upriver and taking them to some of our hot spots and, you know, showing them what we do also, letting them come out with us when we changed our game cam. So letting them come out with us when we put up our trap thermals.

for the night and letting them come out with us to pick them up and even enjoy possibly watching the thermals, the film clips, just to see what we've got, you know, to make that discovery. Yeah, it is. It's very exciting. You know, within three days of us coming down there with you guys, I think I had heard just about every vocal I wanted to hear, and then having a log thrown at us and even someone in our group had a sighting when we were there one running across the road he caught it on on thermal and he was kind of freaking out when he saw that you know i mean there is you got some of the hottest areas i've ever seen i've ever been to and it's constant but for three days uh like moe was saying earlier it's five hundred dollars for three days uh you get your field guides

you get people who can take you out they'll show you how to cast all your foods provided uh there's a safe base camp and it is an adventure of a lifetime it really is for the listeners out there it's something i will never forget going out with you guys bob i mean i will never forget that till the day i die because there was so much activity and if people out there if they want to be part of the adventure and they want to go out with you guys uh contact moe at 443 794 7698 i think February is almost full. I may fly down if there's room. I'd love to come and hang out with you guys for February. You'd be totally welcome to come down here with us, Wes. I would really enjoy it. I really would having you back down here with us. I appreciate that. And, you know, like I said, it really is the adventure of a lifetime.

and I'd love to go down there and see the people and share the experience with everyone. Because it's, I understand what you're saying, Bob. It's different when you're alone. You run across these things. You know, I'm going to be having Dee coming up on the show here shortly. You know, he was alone. He had no idea what he was looking at. He was hunting.

And it's just, you know, that isn't really the encounter. You almost kind of want to be with a group of people who no one's going to call you a crazy. No one's going to, you know what I mean? And all these guys have seen it. And so it really is an adventure of a lifetime. If people out there, again, I'll post it to the website up to the blog. But again, the number is 443-794-7-6-98. Contact Mo. I'd love to get in on it and head down there. Hopefully meet some of the listeners, hang out with you, Bob, hang out with Mo and Tim. and that'd be totally great, Wes. We'd love to have you come down here and spend some time with us, especially on the expeditions.

And I'm sure the people would love to see you and everything. In addition to, I guess, basically just, you know, taking people out to some of the areas that we go to, bring your game cams, bring your audio or anything that you have, know, any of the equipment that you have, bring it out, and we'll show you a good place to set up your equipment, you know, for the night or for the three days. And also, we have a friend who's going to be coming out, and I think you'll be coming out each one of the expeditions, as a matter of fact. and yes, February is filling up pretty fast. So it would be good if you wanted to come out in February to let us know.

If not, you know, we're also booking for April. We're also booking for March and April. But we have a friend who's going to be coming out, and we kind of have a new technology that we've been using, and he's going to be kind enough to show everybody on the expedition, the new technology that we use, actually, we will be using some very sophisticated drones

with some very sophisticated cameras. And when I say sophisticated, I mean expensive. He is a drone pilot. He takes his drone, and he takes it up from the base camp, and he actually films in real time, and you can watch the screen as he goes over the canopy and through the clearing areas there in the forest, and he can go many miles around from the base camp. And it's almost laziness because you don't have to trump.

All you've got to do is just sit and watch. Yeah, I'd love to come down there. and you know, Whalen I had on the show, and he is, he sent me some of the video he took from some of the areas. And it is amazing, amazing footage. I mean, it's above HD, what he shoots. And like you said, he is a real drone pilot. It's not like he got his, you know, drone from Best Buy. Oh, no.

He's an actual commercial drone pilot, you know, and the footage he takes is absolutely stunning. So I'd love to be down there to see that. I believe the guys were planning on also showing, you know, some of the things that we have gotten, that we don't put out, providing, you know, people don't ask where it was. But it doesn't really matter. That's actually really cool. I'm sure a lot of people will be interested in seeing some of that stuff.

Especially the white Sasquatch, our great Sasquatch we have on film. Yeah, and for people listening, so they understand what we're talking about, the drone pilot was able to pick up something on two legs walking that was kind of a grayish white. And when you compare it to the two guys that were there, it's twice their size walking across. And I've been pretty quiet about the whole thing because I've been asked to be quiet about the whole thing. But I think it'd be cool, Bob, to show that to people. And to show them that area, that area where you guys film that, that's the same area. you and I had the log thrown at us.

In fact, where we had the log thrown at us was, we were talking maybe what, 100 feet, 150 feet from there? Yeah, it wasn't very far. He was heading down. He was going down the creek. Matter of fact, what he did was he came and he looked at the guys because they'd already had to grown up, and he came to see what it was.

Sounds like a big mosquito. But once he saw what it was, it was like, Forget it, you know. And he turned and went back in. He was not very far from them at all when they actually caught him. And he was walking away. But we have him really good in clearing. I believe that a guy has planned to show that video when people come down.

And there are some other things, you know, that we possibly will show. when people come down. We just don't really want to be asked where, you know, we've got these things. You know, I don't want to pinpoint it, but hopefully, you know, everybody would have their own experience. Many of the people who have come out on the other expedition, which was run by somebody else,

did have some very good... We're able to pick up some very good sounds. We're able to pick up and have some personal experiences, some sighting, as a matter of fact. And I'm hoping it'll be just as successful for the people that we bring out. And it's really job-dropping for some people when they first hear a real Sasquatch is so close to the camp. are when they have their very first, you know, sighting. I enjoy giving people that experience.

Because let's face it, you know, we're all crazy for believing in Bigfoot, you know, seeing things that don't are supposed to exist. But it's awesome. It's awesome to see something that doesn't exist or isn't supposed to exist. Yeah, it's definitely an adrenaline ride. When I was down there with you guys, it was definitely in a journal and ride every night, hearing the Sasquatches, hearing them scream. I know the first night I was out there with you guys, that female, I say female,

it sounded female-like, just screaming at us. And I remember that's, I was thinking, that's all huddle to a group here in case this thing comes in, because it sounds big. But you're right, even if you've had an encounter, it was different for me to be in areas with you guys where, there was constant, constant vocals or having, you know, hearing stuff walk around you or having something thrown at you. It's exciting.

It's very exciting. You know, there's no other word to put to it. It's scary, but it's exciting in the same breath. And again, if people are interested for the East Texas expedition with Bob Garrett, Moe, Tim Sermons, and to go out with these guys, it's an adventure of a lifetime for sure. And again, the number is 443-794-7-6-98. Bob, thanks for coming on. I really do appreciate you being here tonight.

Thank you, Wes, for having me and letting me talk about our expeditions that we're starting here. And like I said, February is filling up pretty fast. If anyone out there would like to, you know, come out with us, we would love to have you. You know, just give us a call at that phone number that West just put out. And we're still booking for March and April, and those spots are filling up really fast, too. So give us a call. I appreciate it. And thank you very much.

Thank you, Bob. Bob Garrett, everyone. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Dee to the show. Dee, thanks for coming on tonight. I really do appreciate you being here tonight. Oh, you're very welcome. Thanks for calling me back and getting in contact with me. I'm not a very good emailer or anything like that. I don't do it very well, but I tried to make it short and sweet and to the point and give you as much information as I could on the email there. I hope it worked. No, it worked out great. I'm not a great emailer either, to be honest with you.

But if you would, regarding your encounter, if you kind of start from the beginning, tell us what you were out doing, and then just walk us right into the encounter. Just tell us what you saw. Tell us what you experienced. Okay. It was the second day after Thanksgiving, the second day of buck season here in Pennsylvania. And I had worked the day before the first day of buck. I don't really like going out the first day anyway. I had worked the day before and I worked at night. So I came home that morning and went to bed for a little bit and got up. And I went to a friend of mine, Pouse, Jay. He's got 28 acres. and we hunt on that. To explain the topography of the land,

he's got three ridges on his land. We call them the finger ridges. And it's like if you take your fingers and make a number three out of them like a little kid would do, the ridges are just like that. The middle ridge, which will be your middle finger, is probably about 300 yards long

until it tapers out at the ground level. And the other two are much shorter, probably 150 to 175 yards long at the top to these ridges. And I'm on the middle finger ridge walking down towards like the middle knuckle on your fingers. And I look down to my left in the valley between the two finger ridges, and they're not very far apart. They're only about maybe 75 yards from rich top to ridge top. It's not a very wide area down in the valley there,

Down in the valley was just, I get, you know, I'm confused about this part because he was a really, really dark brown color, not quite black, not quite red, but dark brown. And he had like blonde highlights in his hair, creature, man, beast, whatever you want to call it, standing down in this valley here. and he was just like milling around kicking at the ground at the leaves litter on the ground like he was bored and i want to say that the day before on on the first day of buck it had rained all that day and all that night so it really wasn't a good good time to go hunting anyway the deer don't move they lay down it's hard to hunt but that day i was out there it was dry the ground was still wet in the woods because it did the sun didn't get in there and it's, you know, November, so the sun's not above you anyway. So the leaves were still wet.

So when I was walking down through the woods, there was no noise. I mean, from me walking through the leaves or anything, it was just normal noise you'd make, say, on a dirt road or something, you know, it wasn't, I could hear it a little bit, but it wasn't carrying anywhere. It wasn't noisy. But anyway, this thing was down there in the valley and just kind of kicking around, He put the leaves, stuffing them up and moving them around. And then he was standing right by probably a six-inch, five-to-six-inch round pine tree.

Real tall. It wasn't like a Christmas tree pine tree. It was just a regular old pine tree. And he put his right foot up on the tree and his right arm up above that, way as high as he could reach. And he just yanked the tree and it snapped and he kind of forced it and put. pulled it on down it. And when he'd done that, and I want to say that his left arm, he never used his left arm. I don't know if he was hit by a vehicle. It looked like an older injury of some type, or fell down an embankment or a clip or something, broke his collarbone, because

kind of reminded me of that because my daughter broke her collarbone when she was a little girl, and she acted like that. It hurt when she moved her arm. But this thing never moved moved its left arm. It just hung by its side. And after he broke the tree, he went to where the brake was on the tree and the stump sticking up by the ground. And he kind of gnawed and sniffed and bit on that area a little bit. And then kind of moved the tree and, you know, rushed the tree all around on the ground at the park that was hanging down because it didn't completely break three of the stump. It was still hung up there. And he goofed around. And he goofed the round with that for a little bit. And I'm up on the top of this ridge and I'm walking through the

mountain laurel when I first seen this thing. And I just squatted straight down. And I was dumbfounded at what I was looking at. I had an old grand rifle that my father bought after the war. That's what he carried in the war. He liked the rifle. So I was carrying his old grand rifle with me. And I just laid it across my lap and squatted down in the mountain Laurel and sat there and watched this thing for like 10, 12 minutes. It's about all that lasted. I know it's a lot longer than other people's, but I walked up on this thing, and it never knew I was there. At one point in time, it did a complete 360 and sniff the air like you would say a dog would do, how they wiggle their head up and down and, you know, sniff the air like he sentenced something,

And he did a complete 360 doing that, and I thought he sent it at me, but he never noticed me, never even knew I was there, I don't think. And he went back to just goofing around, and he seen this stump there that was probably 10 yards away from this pine tree he had busted. And my buddy Jay and I would go down there with his old tractor and little wagon and cut deadfall up. And we had cut this tree up, and it had. had been loaded with ants and big black carpenter ants because when we hit it with a chainsaw,

it just exploded with ants out of it. So we burned it up in his burn pit where we always had parties and stuff. But the stump was still there. And he was standing there. He looked at the stump and he cocked his head a little bit to the right like he's studying something. And he walked over to the stump and squatted down, just squatted straight down. And with his right hand, he started breaking this stump apart. and then he was sticking his hand or his finger down in the stump

and leaving it there for a couple of seconds and then pulling it out and licking on it. And I figured he's probably letting the ants crawl on his hand and then eating the ants off of his hand because they were big black carpenter ants we have over here, you know, and they're devastating to some of the trees. And if they get in your house, they're a pain to get rid of. You know, they eat wood.

he did that for maybe five or six minutes licking the ant or whatever permites or whatever it was off of his hand and then he just kind of got up he looked around a little bit he looked up the ridges on each side of him and then he kind of wandered on down towards like if you were looking at your fingers again towards where your fingernail was at and he went on around the edge of the ridge there and i lost sight of him and i sat there for maybe an hour just dumbfounded, you know, in all of what I had just witnessed, because I don't, I never thought they were in the area. I really didn't. And this one here wasn't a big one like a lot of people talk about.

You know, he was no seven, eight, nine, ten foot or twelve foot one. He was only my size. He was maybe six foot to maybe six five. I'm six, too, so he was my size, you know. and he was skinny. And after we had talked before, I was thinking, you know, how do I explain skinny and what he looked like? He looked like a cross-country runner. He, uh, his skin was black, you know, and when he turned around 360, his face looked like a boxer that had been punched in the nose a few times.

His nose was prevalent, but it was flat, you know, and his nose is, his holes in his nose were huge, I thought, you know. I was 56 yards away from this guy, 168 feet. Because I have a laser range finder because I go hunt with open sight. I range find this thing. I carry it on a little and yard around my neck, and it's a scope that you look through and inside the scope. When you push the button, it lights up how far things are away from you. And I always like to range find my distances before the deer get there,

so I know where I'm shooting to. And I range find this guy. and he was, like I said, 56 yards away from me, 168 feet, but I was about 60 feet above him on this ridge. So it was, you know, looking down at an angle toward him. It was just the most, I'm at a loss for words, but you want to see strangers, but most dumbfounded thing I ever seen, I was in all of just looking at this thing. I was never afraid because I had enough firepower with me.

If it ever did notice me and charge me or whatever, I could have taken it out with the gun that I had. But it never noticed me, and I didn't feel any kind of fear, no aggression. The only sound that this thing made was when he sniffed the air and was wiggling his head, he was making this, like, rasty, grunt breathing sound like my grandson does when his head stopped up, you know, like that. and when he did that 360, he had his teeth showing, but he wasn't aggressively. He was just the way he scrunched his face up.

I could see his gums, and his gums were black. They weren't red or pink or any. They were black. And he had yellowish, you know, nasty-looking teeth to tell they don't rush their damn teeth. But he had, I'd say canines, but they weren't. huge canines, they were just a little more prevalent than the rest of his teeth in his mouth. And his teeth were all crooked and they weren't perfect.

You know, they looked like, I don't know, somebody that's been punched in the mouth and had his teeth moved around in his mouth. You know, they were just all going different directions and stuff. They weren't straight like you'd see, you'd think, like a dog's teeth are, you know. They were messed up. But, uh, I didn't, you know, I don't, you know, I don't. didn't notice if it had a cone head or a flat head. I don't think it had really, if it had a cone head,

it wasn't something that stuck out, you know, at me or anything. Of course, I didn't focus on that anyway. I was just more tunnel vision on what this thing was in my mind on 9,000 miles an hour thinking, this can't, this ain't, this isn't what I've ever heard of a big foot. And I don't really hear a big foot encounters in the area, so I don't think this thing lived there. I think it was passing through the area, you know, and just traveling from point to point.

And it was just, I don't know, you can't explain it. You know what you want to say, but you just can't find the words to say it, because until you see one and those who've seen one, know exactly what I mean, you know, you're just in all. Yeah, you are in all when you see these things. You know, it's a very fascinating encounter because, again, here's another example of you're not expecting to see it. You're not out looking for it.

You're not hunting it down. All of a sudden, you're out doing your own thing. And bam, there it is. How long ago did this encounter take place? 2005. Thanksgiving, the second day of buck after Thanksgiving at 2005. So November, I don't know what date it was, you know, but that's when it happened.

It's interesting, too, Dee, that you mention, you know, this isn't what you expected a Bigfoot to look like. Most people who have real encounters, that's the first thing they say. Because they're expecting, I think, the Patterson Gimlin film. Right. And when they don't get that, it kind of throws them off, like, well, what is this saying? When you saw it, can you kind of describe the face?

I know you started talking about the teeth, and it's interesting. You mentioned the gums being black. because I've talked to a lot of witnesses that have seen them with their mouth open, and they'll say they have a black mouth, black tongue. But would you describe it more of an ape or more of a person? How would you really describe the face of what you were looking at? I would describe it as a Neanderthal-looking thing, more of a combination between the skin was black like a gorilla. I mean, glistening black, oily, you know, like a gorilla.

of the skin was, but it didn't have that gorilla's face. Yes, it had a mush down nose, and its nostrils were more straight out than down like the humans, but they weren't, you know, it had, it had human-looking eyes. You know, they were, they were, they were, I couldn't see color at that distance, but they were dark eyes. It was like, he had just a unibrow, you. You know, big huge unibrow. Not the brow ridge, I would say, was big and heavy.

But the unibrow, he had a lot of hair above his eyes. Nothing on its face from his eyes down to, like, his chin. And then his chin, he had the darkish brown hair, like a beard. And it was longer. And I would say his, I didn't see ears. I didn't see a tongue. I don't know if it was black or not. But I saw the gums and the teeth were all disgusting looking.

I'm sure it had atrocious breath. You know, it's a neanderthal-ish-looking. You know, if you ever seen the wax moldings of, you know, the scientists doing what the neanderthal should look like, it kind of looked like that with a flatter nose and thin, thin lips. You know, it didn't have big huge puppy lip that had thin lips, but a wide mouth, if you know what I mean. Yeah, I do know what you mean.

And when he said wide mouth, was it, how would you describe it, a bigger jaw than you and I? Yeah, his face was, his head was wider. I will, you know, wider than ours. He had really pronounced jawbone structure. But his mouth, like our mouth is probably on a normal human and, you know, two and a half inches wide. This thing probably had a, I'd say a five-inch opening, you know, if he closed his lip and you measured from edge to edge, maybe a five-inch slice there for his mouth. It was a big mouth.

And if he would have opened it, you know, it was probably, you ever seen a gorilla beyond how they can open their mouth and, you know, they got a big mouth. That's kind of the way this thing was. But he never opened his mouth like that. He just kind of snarled and crunched his lips up so I could see his gums, you know. So I don't know big his mouth would open. How was the creature proportioned, like the arms and the legs? Oh, well, yeah, I was going to say that earlier.

I would say like a cross-country runner. He was mussely. He had cone and definition, but he wasn't no whole coping or nothing. But if you ever seen like a marathon runner, they've got long sinewy, long stringy muscles, but they're powerful. That's kind of the way this thing was. You know, it was skinny, and I don't know if it was because it had a wounded arm and it wasn't getting the nourishment it really needed to get. and he was losing weight or if it was a juvenile that wasn't fully bulked out yet. But, you know, his arms were bigger than mine, and I'm a 6'2 man, 240 pounds,

with pretty good size arms. His arms were bigger than mine, but in proportion to him, they were long and, like, from his elbow up was shorter than from his elbow down to his hand. You know, it was kind of weird looking the way his arm was. And his left arm just hung out by his side. And I wouldn't say it was as long to his knee, but it was not too far above his knee either. It was longer than what a human's arms hanged down. His legs were skinny, but you could tell he was a powerful walker or runner or something like that.

They were well-developed legs, you know, not bulky musely, but you could tell he could probably run long distance, like a cross. country runner or something like that for a long time, you know. That's kind of the impression that I got from him. Yeah, it's interesting. Your description, it makes me think of the Minnesota Iceman. I don't know if you've ever seen that or not. I don't think so, no. I've heard you guys talk about it, but I've never really seen it.

Yeah, it kind of interests me. It's kind of the same descriptions that you're giving. Did you notice anything about the size of the hands or the feet or the way he walked? And again, his left hand looked like it had been swollen because it was bigger, kind of like if you ever see a soccer player goalie, how they wear them big, fat gloves on their hands. That's the way his left hand looked. It looked like it was swollen, like something like that.

So it was bigger. He didn't use it, and it was bigger than his right hand. But his right hand had long, skinny fingers. It looked like maybe Andre the Giant, And if you ever seen his hand up against a normal person's hand, it probably was about like that. It was just his fingers were, to his proportion, they were long and skinny, but to my proportion, he had some big fingers on him, you know. I wouldn't say he looked funny that way other than his left hand because his hand looked like it was swollen and big and puffy. But his right hand was normal for him.

And, you know, he had long fingernails. I know that, but he had long fingernails. The nail, the nails itself were a darker color, like red,ish or brown, dark brown. You know, I don't know if he was muddy or what it was, but he had a lot of leaf litter, like sticking to his fur or hair or whatever you want to call it. I'd say hair. He had a lot of leap litter like he was laying on the ground or sitting on the ground. I just think it's interesting. The whole description of the left arm being kind of swollen, you know,

the creature is obviously not using it, and your description of it using its right foot and its right arm to rip apart this tree, makes sense in a situation like this. You know, it's unable to use its left arm. It makes you wonder, was this thing shot? Was it hit by a car, like you said? Was it a deformity? Well, you know, Jay and I talked about this,

and he said, you know, if that thing was deformed from birth, the parents probably would have killed it. thinking that it wasn't going to survive. So I don't think it was disformed from birth. I think it was something, an injury that happened later on in life that had maybe been a month or so or, you know, three weeks old.

It either had a busted collar bone or a broken arm, but it wasn't using that left arm and his hand was swollen. You know, you could tell his hand was bigger than the other hand, you know. And that's the only thing I could say about it. I didn't get close enough. I didn't, you know, walk up to say, hey, man, what did you do to your arm or nothing?

I was just sitting there thinking, what the hell am I looking at? You know, I know I've heard and I've seen Bigfoot stuff. I'm not really into the topic, but, you know, like some people live by it. And I'm not, it's crediting those people that live by that. I just, you know, have other things going on in my life. And this was the last thing in my life I would ever see. because I've spent thousands of hours in them wood, cutting trees, hunting, just walking around, you know, and stuff like that. And I kind of lost my train of thought here, but, you know, I was in all of this thing.

It didn't look like anything that I had ever heard a big foot was supposed to look like, and that's kind of what astonished me, I guess you'd say. Yeah, no, I think it would astonish most people. I wanted to ask you, did you see any facial expressions, or did you notice any facial expressions? Just the only thing he did, like, when he turned around in a 360, he was scrunched his nose up and his lips, and that was it. You know, he looked like he was bored is what it looked like when he was walking around kind of milling there and not really doing anything productive, just kind of kicking it things. It looked like he was bored, like, you know, a little kid, like, took my son out hunting. And he's walking through the wood, dragging his feet, kicking, and stuff like that. You know, like, come on, Dad, where's the excitement going to happen?

Well, that's kind of the way this thing was acting. It was just acting like, well, I ain't really got nothing to do today. I'm just going to kick around here. And, you know, oh, well, there's trees. I'll break it off, you know. But no facial expressions other than when he scented the air, his lips, you know, he just mushed his face up like he was smelling. Yeah, and that's, I've heard that before. Absolutely. I've heard that before.

So it finishes ripping apart this log, and you're in a perfect, really are in a perfect position of watch this thing without being noticed. But you're up on this bridge line. You're watching it rip apart this log. It gets bored. It walks off. What do you do next? Set there. Trying to run this thing through my mind, what I was witnessing, what I saw.

I would estimate between 45 minutes and an hour I didn't move. And the whole time this was going on, I was stone cold still. Other than the one time when his back was to me and he was sniffing at the stump of that tree, I took my range finder because I carried on a lanyard around my neck. And I just pulled it up. I didn't put my eye to it, but I could see the digital readout inside. And I squeezed the button, and that's when it said 56 yards. and that was the only really movement that I made.

And then I just left it down and put my hands back on my rifle in my lap and just sat there and watched this thing. And after it was done, I guess it was probably that week of that next weekend because this was a Tuesday. And I had to work the rest of the week. Probably the next weekend I actually went to Jay's house and I was talking to him. And I asked him, I said, you know, hey, Jay, you know, you ever have anything weird? happened around here, you know, anything strange.

And he goes, well, what do you mean? I mean, what do you mean strange? And I kind of told him the story of what went on. And he said, I never really noticed anything other than we would pile his wood up that we cut in a pole building and doesn't have any sides. But the one side of it to face the wood, the wood was drug out and thrown, you know, 10, 15 feet away from it and just he just took the wall of the wood that we had cordwood that we had stacked up and just pulled it down you know whatever this was and we we've talked it up to a bear and the only

other thing he said that he noticed wrong or weird was he lived in a mobile home that we had added on to and this guy was a retired police officer and he's dead now i miss him every day but the backside of his house that the public couldn't see was there was nothing. It was just that you could tell it was a mobile home. And it was an older mobile home, so the tin siding or aluminum siding had oxidized over the year. And when you touched it, you got that white pink dust on your hand.

And he said that this, whatever it was, it looked like it took its hand and was touching the trailer, but it took his hand and, like, swipe it to do on the window. And there was a smudged handprint of something on the window on the backside of his trailer. And that window looked into his living room, and right across from that window, he had probably a hundred gallon,

maybe not that big. I don't know. I'm not good with gallons, but it was a good-sized fish tank. But he had lights in, and there was fish swimming around in there, and at night, you know, it was like a bluish color and stuff like that.

So this thing must have seen the light and looked in the window to see the fish tank. But he never saw anything. Jay never said he's seen anything. You know, he just noticed that. And he was pissed because he had to go out and get the ladder out and go clean the window. You know, I'd say the window was probably, I don't know, five foot, six foot off the ground. You know, it may have been coming up to look to the window to see the fish tank.

That would definitely draw attention. Yeah, draw attention to us. You know, you see a blue light coming from inside a house, and I would imagine that would definitely draw curiosity. I want to ask you, when you were looking at the creature, how long would you say the hair was across the body? It depended on where you looked on the body to what the length of, because it was all different lengths.

But I would say on the head, the back of the neck and the shoulders was probably three to four inches long. It was longer there. And the rest of the hair, and it was all matted up, you know, with dirt and leaf litter and stuff like that. But it was probably two, maybe three inches long. It was a little thicker, wouldn't say longer, thicker up around its shoulders and maybe down halfway on its back. And then it kind of thin down around its buttocks.

And it only turned around the once that I've seen the front part of him. And it was definitely male. It was definitely male. Around the chest, it had hair, but it was thinner hair. You know, it wasn't that it was longer or shorter. It was just thinner hair. around his chest, like his peck muscles and stuff like that. And then down on his belly, it got thicker.

And down around its groin area was real thick hair. And his legs were, I'd say probably to his knees. It might have been three inches long, you know. His arms now, when he, I never seen his left arm, but his right arm, when he was reaching up, you could see the hair hanging down, you know, So that was probably maybe four inches long. Your description's right on with what I found in that area that you're talking about. You know, people will describe these things as being a little bit smaller.

You know, I have guys that are six foot, six foot five, and they'll say, oh, that's about my size. It really wasn't much bigger than me. And the other thing that's interesting, especially in the area you're talking about, because I have taken a lot of reports from that area, and people will describe it as being like an African-American. man or they'll just, a real ugly African-American man. Yeah, somebody who's been in the box entering for a while, you know? Yeah. You know, like I was telling you, Bob Garrett always says it's, they have a face only a mother

could love. They, you know, and that's, it's interesting in that part of the, the country, people will describe these things as being more human-like. Because I'll ask them, was it more chimp-like? Was it more ape-like? Would you, how would you describe it? And they'll say, to be honest with you, it was more human-like in the face. It wasn't human, but it definitely looked more human than ape.

Right. And the description of the hair is interesting, too, because I get that a lot with a lot of people that have the opportunity to see these things, the way you saw them, D, at the length of time you got to see this thing, they'll describe the hair as being, well, it was a little bit shorter here and a little bit longer here, not necessarily uniform. And so that's an interesting take. I find the whole arm thing fascinating.

There's very, very few people I've talked to that have described that, you know, as far as some sort of injury. I had a witness on one time that talked about something was wrong with the left leg. Like the whole body moved like a well-oiled machine except for the left leg. And what she said was as it walked, it was very stiff. Like there was something wrong with that left leg. She didn't know if it had been shot. but there was definitely something wrong with its left leg.

And you experienced the same thing except for it's an arm. Right. Yeah. And, you know, it didn't limp or anything because I watched it walk away from me and it didn't have a limp or anything. So it wasn't a whole right or a left side injury. It was just that arm. And it, you know what kind of stuck out to me was it was more in the shoulder area

than its arm. The shoulder, the upper arm area than, then its lower arm or its hand or anything like that because it really didn't move its elbow a lot and it never moved its fingers, but it didn't, it seemed to me like it didn't want its arm to swing. Yeah, like there was something wrong with it. Yeah, exactly. You know, it didn't want, it didn't want, it wanted this little movement out of that arm

as it was possibly to get, it didn't grab it or hold it or anything like that. It just kind of dangled there, but it never. And that's what stuck out to me because that's what, You know, I'm sitting there like a dog here in a new sound. I'm cocked in my head looking at this thing, kind of figure out what it is, and it never moved its left arm. And I'm thinking, well, I wonder if it's hurt. You know, and I don't know if it got shot.

I don't know if it got hit by a car because there's two major highways right here around me. And on the other side of both of those highways is two major rivers that are, there's houses along there, but this is a very, very rural area of Pennsylvania, where two rivers come together. And if it was down by the river, it had had to cross the road, or it had fallen off of a cliff. There's a lot of shale rock around here, and I don't know out west if you have shale,

but it's a very loose rock. You know, you can take a rock and just break it in your hand. A lot of, it's a real brittle rock, and it moves under your feet. So if it was walking along an edge, a cliff top or a bank top and the shale move, it could have fell and rolled down the hill, broke its arm. I don't know how it did it, but that's kind of the injury it looked like. It didn't look like it had been torn open or anything by a wild animal injury. It just looked like it was hurt.

Yeah, the other thing I thought was interesting, and I've only talked to a few witnesses that have talked about this, which I think is odd, but I know a lot of people see this, the sexual organs. So when you saw it, you definitely knew it was male? I definitely knew it was male. Yeah, it was, I mean, it wouldn't have been ashamed to be seen, you know. I'd say it's his testicles hung down lower than his organ, but it was definitely sizable, I would say, to try to keep it clean, you know. Yeah, and that's interesting too, because a lot of people that have seen that,

have been in that position to see that. They'll say that. They'll say it was kind of large. And you don't really hear that from, well, you know, most witnesses, they don't catch them out in the open. They'll see them in the bushes or running across the road or, you know, in retreat. So a lot of times they won't, they'll say, well, I thought it was a male, but I don't know. But very few witnesses have been able to see that and go, yeah, it was definitely a male.

I know it was definitely a male. I just think this whole encounter is fascinating, Dee. I really do. I think you're lucky to be in a position you were with the rifle at an elevated position where it didn't know that you were there. And the other thing, too, about the encounter I find fascinating. It's very mundane-type behavior. It's kind of bored.

It rips apart a tree. It finds some ants. It eats the ants. It eats the food. And then it gets up and just kind of walks off. Did this ever change your mind on going back out hunting? No. No, no, I mean, I didn't go out no more that year, but basically because of taking time off of work and things like that, I didn't have time.

And, you know, I have a family, so I didn't go out on the weekend. But I've been back to that area, and Jay died in 2007. So the ground was sold, and it's posted. It was sold. His daughter sold it to a council member. and she doesn't let anybody on there. And, you know, we had free reign of the place, Jay and I. Of course, he owned the land, but I mean, I had three rain at the place.

I'd go up there and help him cut wood. And we were rebuilding an old Chevy pickup in his garage. And, you know, we were just best friends. And he had a massive heart attack and died in 2007. And like I said, I'm missing every day. He was like a father to me. But I don't go out in that. Now, we have state game lands around our house that I don't hunt on.

I have another friend that owns a farm and I'll go out there. But it wouldn't have changed maybe because of the, you know, the type of behavior that it was, you know, it didn't have a, it had an I don't care attitude, basically, a bored attitude that didn't frighten me. It dumbfounded me, but it never frightened me. I never thought that I was in any danger. And, you know, of course, I had a rifle big enough to. to take it down if it charged me or anything like yet, but it never showed any kind of aggression.

And I don't really think that it ever knew that I was there because I was squatted down in the mountain Laurel. It only turned around once. Like it caught a scent of something and it sniffed around 360 to find out where the scent came from. And then it went back to meander and doing what it was doing. You know, so no, it didn't change my, I keep an eye out more in the woods now,

but I don't think I'll ever see something like that again. I really don't. Of course, I never thought I would see one in the beginning. Well, it's a fascinating encounter. It really is. It's one of the better ones I've heard. And I can't thank you enough for coming on the show. These are the encounters I love to hear.

Not the researchers, not the people that, like yourself, D, you're out, just doing your thing, and you run across this thing. It's like, what the hell am I looking at? I can understand where you're coming from in the sense of it didn't it really wasn't that big it really wasn't showing any aggression. And so I get what you're saying as far as not having the fear. But I can't thank you enough for coming on the show and sharing it. I really can't. Well, I appreciate you listening to me.

I mean, you, Jay, was the only other person that I've ever opened my mouth to. and I was listening to your show. I found it somehow and started out listening to it on Skype and listened to it on my phone on the podcast. And then I listened to every story that I could listen to without becoming a member. And then I joined up just, I think it was last week when I emailed you. And you're the first person that I have ever sat down and told this story to that's other than Jay. And that's why I wasn't given my name because I have a professional job and I don't need to be ridiculed and laughed at. I have 30 years in here and I'm too close to retirement now to have to deal with that.

So, I mean, people, I hope people understand, you know, I'm a very professional person. My job is to observe others and things that go on around me. So maybe that's what helped me out observe this thing. It just, you know, that's my training. It's nervous. I'm nervous because I've never really told the story to anybody. I've kept it in all these years. And it's kind of like a weight lift off.

And the only reason I contacted you, Wes, was because I've listened to most of your shows. And I've never heard you ridicule or make fun of, even when the interviewer was off the air, you've never said anything too derogatory about that interview. You listen to it. You may not agree with it, but you listen to it as a man, and I respect that. And I'm really glad that I've got to tell you my story. I really do appreciate that.

And, you know, I believe you 100%. There's way too many details. And you're too dead on with way too many details in the encounter. I mean, it's fasting. And I really do appreciate the kind of words. You know, I really do try hard to make people feel comfortable when they come on the show and to share the encounter because I know how uncomfortable it is to, because you never know what someone's going to say or say to you.

And it's kind of a personal thing. You know, you've seen something that supposedly doesn't exist. And you're trying to come forward and be honest. And the last thing you needed someone beating you up or being a dick. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And thank you for me being the second guy to hear the encounter. Thank you for that.

I'm honored. Oh, you're very welcome. I thoroughly enjoyed this. I was nervous when you called the first time thinking, oh, man, all these people are going to hear me, but it wasn't like that. It was like I'm talking to a really good friend and just sitting down and telling him what I saw. And, you know, personally, I don't care if people believe me or disbelieve me.

I know what I saw. I saw what I saw. I'm still unsure of what I saw in a way. You know, I know it was a Sasquatch, but even to me, I sat and think about it. You know, did I, how come me? Why me? Why did I have to witness this, you know? And that's kind of the thing, you know, I don't care if people believe me or not.

I know what I saw. I saw what I saw, and I'll tell you the truth. Yeah, and you'll go through that. You'll go through that for a long time, you know, as far as, did I really see that? You know, you'll question yourself, did I really see that? And that's something that you'll just have to get over. You have to go through that. But I think everyone goes through that.

I went through that. Everyone that's had an encounter goes through that where you're in shock in the beginning. And then you question yourself, God, did I really see that? And then you'll get to a point to where you're like, well, what was it? What are these things? You know what I mean? You're kind of past the point of like, do they exist? Yeah.

You're at the point of what are they? Yeah, you know, I know they exist. I mean, I saw one. With my own eyes, God gave me. I saw this thing. I know it exists. But what is it? I don't know.

And I hope that one day we find out. And, you know, and I sit there and I think back to myself, I had a gun in my hand. I could have been the guy who brought this thing in because I could have easily went up there and got the four-wheeler and drug it out of the woods. It wasn't that hard. I could have shot this thing and been the guy who proved it. But I never even thought about picking that gun up. It never crossed my mind, not one time. I almost hate to say that's the problem with hunters.

You know, most people think hunters are just bloodthirsty monsters that go out and kill animals. But that's not really the case. That it really is not the case. They're usually, when it comes to gun safety, they're the guys you want around because they know once they shoot, you can't take a bullet back. most of the time in those situations

Right. A lot of hunters have been in the same situation you were in D where they're in a perfect opportunity to shoot one, drag one out, and yet they don't. I guess it gives credit to some hunters out there or most hunters out there

because they don't do that. Even though it would have been nice to bring it in. I hate to say that. I sound like a monster saying that, but it would have been nice to bring it in, but most hunters, that's not their mindset. Most hunters aren't like that. Most hunters, they shoot something they're going to eat,

and it goes even beyond that. Most hunters, if they have a bad shot, they won't take it. Unless it's a clean shot where you kill the animal, and you do the animal justice, and it's the right thing to do, unless all those things add up, most hunters won't take a shot. Right, and this thing was standing in the open, There wasn't anything between him and I except for Mountain Laurel.

And I could have stood up and headshot at this thing, but I never thought of that. You know, I knew I had the gun in my hand. I knew I had that. I knew I was protected. But I never thought about taking a shot at this thing, maybe because it seemed, it reminded me of what a human, how a human moves and walks. And it was more human than ape, and it would have been like shooting a man, I think. you know and it just i don't know i don't i really don't know to this day i it doesn't run through my mind every day about this you know but uh i think about it time to time and i'm i'm like well

you know i don't know i i want to know now and i want somebody else to be the guy that pulls it triggered to find out and i'll say that's exactly what the hell i just saw mine was smaller mine was wounded but that's the creature that was was in our backyard, you know, in our backwoods. Yeah, you'd feel a lot better about shooting it if it charged you or if you felt like your life was in danger. You'd feel a lot better about shooting it. But, you know, I get it.

I get what you're saying. I mean, you see this saying it's kind of mine in its own business. It's not really doing anything to you. I think maybe that's the sign of a good man that doesn't pull a trigger. But, you know, I think really in a lot of states, that's not the case. In a lot of states, these things are very aggressive. and they do harm people. Now, are they all bloodthirsty, soulless, monsters? No, they're not. There are some that, you know, there's more curiosity and probably will leave you alone, which is probably most of the time. They'll probably leave you alone. Yeah, yeah. But there is bad situations where people do get harmed by these things, and it would be nice to have someone bring one in. But I get what you're saying, Dee. I mean, honestly, I get it. That really is a sign that you're a good man. The first guy that, shoots it's going to be infamous.

Most of these guys think they're going to be famous, and they're going to be famous, but they're going to be infamous. Yeah. And that's, you know, it's going to be a rocky road, I can guarantee that. Well, yeah, I know that never ran through my mind. It was just

that, you know, I was just more into watching this thing and seeing what the hell is done. I mean, I've had deer cross in front of me that I was just in all of beautiful bucks. And I was like, man, this is your lucky day because you're too good looking to shoot. I love to take you home, but you really need to be alive out here. And he's on, you know, the deer on private properties and nobody else can shoot him.

And then we've got a bunch of deer hanging around out there, you know, but I've taken my share of deer. I've hunted. I eat it, you know. Don't hunt. Don't go out there and hunt what you're not going to eat. My dad always said. And we eat the deer, but I just couldn't even think about putting a gun on this thing, you know. And it was, it was an amazing experience. experience in my life, I'll never forget it. And even though it happened in 2005, it's like it happened yesterday. Yeah, it never leaves you, does it? Yeah, no, it doesn't. It doesn't. I can see this thing in my mind's eye, I can see this thing turning around and sniffing the air and drunken his teeth, you know, his lips up and sniffing in the air and I can see its face and it was an ugly

SOB, but it was, it was beautiful in its own right, too, you know? Yeah, no, I get that. Most people get a really good close look at the face. They all say the same thing. It's the ugliest thing ever saw. And I always laugh, a laugh about Bob Garrett saying they have a face only a mother could love. And I could see, you know,

most hunters love animals too. And I could see you almost having mercy on the thing for it's busted on. I mean, I guess I could put myself in your shoes. I mean, that's what I would be thinking. Even though I'm pro-kill, I think one should be killed and brought in. I am too.

I'm pro-kill, but I don't want to be the guy that doesn't. I'm pro-kill all the way, but I don't want to be the guy. Just one. Just one. That's all you need. You need the evidence of one. I agree. To prove the existence of these things.

And I really don't need that because I've seen one. I know they exist. Yeah, I think if I were to shoot one, I'd shoot one for everyone else. All the people that have been laughed at, all the people that have been called crazy, all the jobs have been threatened, all the family. me members that have teased people, all the people that have attacked other people and said they're lying or they're, I would probably pull the trigger for them. I know full well once you shoot one. You might get rich and you might get famous, but at the end of the day, you're going to be infamous too as well.

And it's not going to be an easy road to go down. Right. You know, I'm the richest guy in the world. I've got a beautiful family and a wife and, you know, so money that I didn't care about that. I never thought of it either. You know, this happened long before I was really, I don't think if I ever didn't see one, I wouldn't have been any more interested than I am now that I've seen one. Now I'm interested in what did I see.

Yeah, no, I understand that. Well, thank you, Death. Yes, you have yourself a good night, Wes. I hope you and your family have a very, very Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. That's coming up here soon, so I just want to wish everybody out to different. Happy hunting. Yeah, Merry Christmas, Dee. Thank you again for coming on. All right, no problem, man. Have a good one.

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