SC EP:195 Two Hunters Encounter A Sasquatch
00:02Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one.One.When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road.They would have ripped my locked door from my truck,extracted me from my vehicle,and no one damn thing I could have done about it.This thing I got to notice in his eyes.His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister way.
00:47The look it was given.What would hear a push?Here, buddy.See them.Hello.Get somebody out here.What's going on now, sir?That son of a bitch is about 60 foot.
01:06Sir?Yes, I'm looking right at him.Saskwatch Cronica.Place where people share their encounters.Let's start the show.My demise are highly over-exaggerated.I'm just sick.Welcome to the show, everyone.
02:04Thanks for being here tonight.Got a great show planned for you this evening.As you can tell from my voice, I'm still fighting this cold.I'm feeling better and better every day.I appreciate everyone's kind emails and Facebook messages.Very kind of you guys to send those to me.I am doing better.I am starting to get over this cold.
02:24You'll just have to please excuse my voice tonight.Remember, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com.How's everyone doing tonight? Thank you again for being here.Got a fascinating account tonight of two hunters.They actually came across to Sasquatch, but there was a buildup to their sighting.And it's always, it fascinates me when people aren't involved in this topic and they start to have an experience and they can't really place it.
03:07And so there's, especially hunters, there's, they don't really know what boxed.to put experiences in, and so they tend to brush things off.And that's what happened tonight when he listened to Kyle's encounter.And I've actually changed his name.His real name's not Kyle because of his profession.He asked me to change his name, so I did.So tonight we will call him Kyle.And again, I really want to jump into it tonight.
03:35I think you guys will find this to be a very fascinating encounter.Kyle gives some great descriptions.Kyle, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here tonight.Thanks, Wes.And if you would, where did your encounter take place? What state?I live in Long Island, which is in New York.Long Island is like the furthest part of like New York State.But I don't really, I do most of my hunting upstate and they like the Catskill Mountains or like the Adirondack Mountains, something like that.
04:08But this particular situation happened in.the Catskills. Okay, and how long ago did this encounter take place?This happened on February 5th of this year.Oh, wow, so it's really recent. Yeah, it was only, what, today was 20, 20 days ago, something like that.Yeah, that's crazy. Well, if you would, start from the very beginning. Tell us what happened.Tell us what you're out doing and just kind of walk us right into it.Okay. I, like I said before, I do, you know, hunting and all kinds of outdoor stuff upstate.I take my family camping up there every year.
04:45I've been going up there since I was a kid.My parents took me up there when I was little.So naturally, you know, when I'm doing my outdoor stuff, I'm drawn to go up there.So me and my brother hunt up there, big game, small game.We predator hunt up there.We hike.We do all that stuff.So the year season's over here in New York State in February.
05:08So there's a coyote tournament that like a spread.Sportsman's Club up in the Catskill region puts out to, it's a statewide tournament.So it takes place on a Friday, a Saturday, and a Sunday, which was February 6th, 6th, and 7th.So me and my brother saw an ad that we get in like a Hunter paper for this tournament, and we got like all, you know, all jazzed up that.And we were like, you know, let's go do it because it was a $2,000 winning prize for the heaviest coyote.So we made plans, went up there.We really didn't want to.We spend a lot of time up there in deer season,
05:49and we don't hold a home or anything like that up there.So we wind up spending like a couple bucks, you know,on hotels or whatever to stay up there during deer season.So we would just said, you know what, let's just stay in because I got a big pickup truck.Let's just sleep in the pickup truck, you know, crash out because most of coyote hunting is done at night.So we drove up, figured we would go to one of our spots that we would normally deer hunt,which is, like I said before, which is in the Catskill Mount Range,probably only about, I mean, at the most, it's about an hour and 45 minutes out of,
06:21like, New York City proper, like Manhattan.So we drove up to our spot, which we call it the Beaver Dam spot.So we park our truck at a trailhead, and then we have to walk from the trailhead.We have to walk.It's a good three-quarters of a mile to a mile in from the truck into our spot where we were in.So we got up there probably around 4 o'clock in the afternoon, still daylight, no snow on the ground, nothing like that.Figured let's go get all our gear out there, you know, while we still have daylight,and we'll shoot back into town, grab a bite to eat, and then once the sunset we go back to our spot.
07:06that's exactly what we did.We went, saw all our stuff up.He came back to the spot.It was probably around,probably around 9 p.m. when we finally got there.Got all set up, changed our clothes,put on, like, super warm clothes.It was really cold that weekend.
07:24It was probably like, oh, geez, at night.It was down into the,and into the teams,maybe even single digits with the wind.Got all our clothes on,walked to our spot,got into our blind,And we hunt when we hunt, my brother hunts with a shotgun, 12-gauge.
07:42And I hunt with this particular night, I was hunting with Bremington 700-308.We also employ night vision when we hunt.And like green lasers and stuff like that.So if you don't want to use your night vision, because once you turn that night vision on,it's not like looking through its scope.It's like looking through a television screen, so it's bright in your eye.So once you do that, you kind of ruin your natural night vision.So I like to keep that off as little, you know, I like to keep it off as to not ruin my night eyes, you know.
08:17So we both have, I have a rifle scope that's night vision and my brother has like a monocle that he would just hold up almost like a monocular.So we get into our blind and we get all set up.I use like an electronic game of all.That's like a wireless kind of like device.I use it for,I use it for deer,I use it for everything.So I set it out away from the blind probably,
08:47maybe like 75 yards,nothing crazy.So me and my brother were talking real quick,like what do you want to start,you know,start calling with,do you want to start calling with a,you know,
08:57a wounded rabbit,or do you want to go straight for,like, you know,coyote like howlsand communication howlsand stuff like that.So my brother was like,go for the rabbit.
09:04it, just let it run out, and like, let's see what kind of responses we get.So we let out on the rabbit call.Initially, we really got nothing off the rabbit call because you let you, I mean, I don'tknow if you're a hunter or if you've ever a coyote hunted, but if you, when you callfor a coyote, they're going to be there within minutes.I mean, from the time you call to the time you're going to hear them come in or startlike yipping because they like start yipping when they get excited you'll hear them coming inbecause they usually come in in groups it could be you make your first set of calls and within 45
09:43seconds you got like three dogs with insight or it'll go where you'll call and call and call and call andcall and get nothing so i let out my first i let out my first ring of calls we really got verylittle response so i said my br i we made my brother you know conferred again real quick andHe was like, you know, switch it over to coyote and let's see if we get a response from anything in the area.So we flipped it over to coyote.I let out like a big, like long string of, uh, it's on the, on the game call.It says, um, coyote, like, um, I don't know if it was a rally, a rally howl or just a communicative howl, something like that.So I let that play out and we got some calls back.
10:29But the calls back, you can tell they were, they're from miles away.Miles away.It was very faint.So we let out another string of the coyote howls, very faint, very, very faint response.So we just kind of hung out for a while.Let's go easy on the calling because we don't want to scare everything away.So let's go easy on the calling.So that's when we're both kind of just hanging out, not really saying anything.
10:57And we started to hear like an owl.Now we have, in New York State, we have barred owls.And I'm pretty sure we have great horned owls, but I've never really seen what out in the woods.Bard owls, you'll see all the time.They're big, big owls.And they make a lot of noise.So we heard an owl hoeing, and it was only maybe, I don't know, 50 yards away.It sounded like it was elevated up in a, like a tree branch.
11:23But it just didn't sound, it just didn't sound right.It started off with a two.and then it let out like another who,but it just didn't,something just didn't sound right about it.It sounded like louder than it really should have been.I guess we really didn't think anything of it.It continued to go on,
11:41and then it started,it started to get like a response tofrom, now where we hunt,where we placed our blind,there's like a small,like, maybe like a one-acre clearingin that we would use,like, as our,
11:57like our vision in front of us for where the animals would come in.Across that one, like that clearing, it just goes basically straight down into like a beaver dam.There's all kinds of like big tree falls down there.Beaver's a real busy down there, and it's all flooded.And then on the opposite side of that, it goes straight back up like another side of a mountain.So we're like, we're on one side of a mountain, and then there's the beaver dam,and then it goes back up another side of the mountain.so we hear
12:27the responsewho's from the owl soundsI mean they soundlike they sound like this owlwhich this which doesn't soundas we've heard in the pastso we both telllook at each other and we're like this is
12:43this doesn't sound right you know likebut we couldn't really see themthat's the whole thing like the whole timeas soon as I heard the first onebecause you know you have night visionyou want to play with it youI immediately clicked on my night visionand I was looking for the owl.
12:59From the sound I was getting all of it,I almost felt like I could justturn all my night vision, point my night visionup at that tree branch and there it was going to be.But it wasn't.Me and my brother both looked.We could not find the owl.Now we're getting response howls
13:19from across the, like what we call the Beaver Dam,across the Beaver Dam.I'm going up the other side of the mountain.and now they're getting like more frequent like back and forth relatively quickly and then it alljust kind of stopped and from the time we first heard the first owl to the time both of themstopped making noise it was like really it was probably like a good hour i mean maybe like 40 minutesi mean it was a long time these things were making noise basically we heard the owls likebasically out of nowhere, we heard one loud who, another loud who, almost like they were
13:58right next to each other.But it wasn't the same owl.You could, you can just hear it.It wasn't the same owl.And then it went like, who, who?And then it was everything completely changed from two owls to what I can only describe as,I know it's going to sound crazy.It sounded like a legitimate monkey, like an exhumated.
14:21like an excited screaming monkey.Now, the bard owls,you can even look it up on like YouTube and stuff like that.This is what I've been doing since this happened.You know,I've been like trying to find all the information I can,you know, all this kind of stuff.There's a thing that people call it like when they laugh.
14:41They call it laughing.Like barred owls making noise.That kind of sounds,I don't want to say it sounds like laughing,but if the owl were to laugh,I guess that's what it would sound like.But this was not that.And my brother turned, as soon as we heard it,
14:57my brother turned to me, and it was like,what, you know, what the F was that?And I, like, you know,the hair on the back of my neck was standing up.As this happened, it was like,it was like instantaneous.It went like, hoo-hoo.And then it was like the monkey,
15:12the straight-up monkey,like, screaming.That's the only way I can describe it.It was like screaming laughter.Like excitement.And then,And as that happened, we heard loud bipedal running right behind our blind.We have like a, it's like a, we have like a pop-up line.
15:32It's just like it, it's like a, it sets up in two seconds.We both sit in it side by side, and we both look out in the same direction.The front windows like zip open, the side zip open, the back zips open.But we did, now, it was so cold that night and windy that we had like a little tiny, likelittle space heater going in there, too, like a little camping, like, propane eater.We didn't have the back windows open to try to keep some of this heat in, try to keep some of thewarmth in the wind out. But I think even if we had had the back screens open, when this thing ranby, we were so tight in there, like, next to each other that we couldn't even, like, turned around
16:13to really do anything. But we both heard it. My brother, like, he got so, now, this is the guy I've beenhunting with. I'm 31 years old.I've been out huntingfor as long as I can remember. I've been out in the woodswith my father, my grandfather.I've never been scared in the woods,like for the most part.You know, when you're a little kid,
16:35you get like spooked in the woods. But as like an adult,I've never been scared in the woods. It's never been anything that Iwas on shore of or couldn't tell you likein two seconds, but like, oh, that was a,you know, that was a, that was a bear.That's a coyote. That's, you know,a beer, don't worry about it, it's no big deal.But when I saw that my brother was like nervous, that made me nervous.
16:59You know what I mean?Like, because he doesn't, you know, he's the same way as me.When we go hunting, we go together.We never go alone.We never do anything by ourselves.Probably mostly because, you know, my mother, like, guilty of us that we were, you know,something would terrible what happened to us if we didn't, you know,go with each other ever since we were little kids.
17:18So, like, when I looked over my brother and saw, like,when this thing ran behind us, my brother, like, grabbed my arm,and he's like, what the F was at?And I was at that point, I was nervous.Because I had no, like, it was, we heard the screaming in front of us,the running behind us.Now, I know what a coyote sounds like when it runs in on you,even in the middle of the night.
17:40You know, they're very light on their feet.They don't come in, they don't come in like a, like a bear or something like that.Like, they don't, they're not lumbering.They're not, they're not heavy.They're very light on their feet.They're very swift, very quick.When you heard that bipedal footsteps, it threw you off, didn't it?You knew right away.
17:59Absolutely.Absolutely.And that's, that's, and I, when I, when my, later, when we had gotten back to the truck, I'm not, I don'tmean to skip ahead.But my brother had said to me, he said, you know, he said that was all, like, very,in the way he described it was good.He said, it was all just very confusing.like everything was happening all at the same time.
18:20So like we have this screaming like in front of us, running behind us.Like I don't know where to look.Like I, my instinct was to turn around and look, you know, like look behind me.But I couldn't see anything because the, you know, the flaps on the blind were up.So like after that, everything just kind of like, everything just kind of stopped.We all, at this was all going on.We heard the, we heard the running.We heard the screaming.
18:46and as soon as it started, like as fast as it had started, it had stopped.You know, and then it was just quiet.So we immediately got, you know, got our night vision up, started looking, and we saw nothing.We saw nothing.We saw nothing.And then I think we were both a little spooked, and my brother was like, listen, he's like, let's, so this is, this was probably, this was probably like 12, 31 o'clock at night, ultimately after we finally, like, you know, pulled the plug and were like, listen.Let's call the night.You know, let's go back to the truck.
19:19Let's get some sleep.And, you know, let's come back in the morning and break our blind down because we hunt like multiple spots.So we were going to, you know, we really didn't have any success there.We were going to break our blind down in the morning and take it to a place we call the farm.It's like a farm.Another place that we hunt up upstate.So we went back to the truck.We woke up the next morning, went back up to retrieve our blinds.
19:45And my brother, I didn't, like, it was much warmer after the sun had come up the next morning.We were able to, you know, dress a little lighter and, you know, the walking was a little easier.But I told my brother, I was like, listen, I was like, I'm going to take my rifles, you know,because I was like, you know, I want to win this coyote tournament.You know, like, I'm not going to walk, you know, a mile into hunting ground without the gun.You know, what if I, you know, because we were just going to basically,like, break up line out, we weren't going into hunt.So I was like, take your shotgun with you.
20:16I'm going to take my rifle.And he's like, nah, he's like, I don't want to carry my shotgun.He's like, I'm just going to, you know, we got to carry gear out.He's like, I don't want to carry stuff in.So we, you know, I took my rifle and we walked in.And the trail, from where we park our truck to, from where we park our truck to, like, the top of the trail,it's probably like, I would say a good three-quarters of a mile, something like that.mostly uphill, very rocky.
20:46The Catskills is like a huge,it's basically like a mountain range that was formed by like glacial deposit.So everything is like gigantic boulders and, you know,all like loose stone and flat river rock and stuff like that.So like the, you know, very rocky uphill, it's kind of a tough walk in.I'd say about like when you get to the very top of the trail,because years and years and years ago,all this land, the Catskills at one point,
21:13were clear-cut, and they were all used as farmland.So none of the trees and stuff are really like old growth.None of the stuff is really, you'd have to go up like to the Adirondacks,which is like 500 miles from where I live,to really get like big old-growth forest, stuff like that.The Caskills is maybe 100 years old as far as, you know,the trees and stuff like that.So as you're walking through these trails,
21:39you can still see like staph stone, like fencing from where,where there used to be farmland and stuff like that.So there's like old, like overgrown shrubs and stuff like that.And when you get to the top of this particular trail,there's like a big plot of like bamboo that somebody at one point,I guess, planted for decorative reasons.I mean, I don't know if you know how bamboo grows,but that stuff was like crazy invasive.
22:05So you plant a little bit and it just takes over everything.So we're walking up the trail.My brother's walking in front of me.When we get to the top of the trail, it kind of like levels off.It's no longer like an uphill walks, it's kind of flat walk.And that's where the bamboo starts.And as soon as the trail leveled off and we hit the bamboo patch,and we're not by any means, we're not like running.
22:28We're walking slow because we told them, let's take a slow walk in case we do see a coyote,you know, pop a coyote up.So as soon as we got to the top of this bamboo patch,we heard a crazy, crazy low,like guttle, like deep growl. Now I know the noisebears make and people thinkthe common misconception is thatlike Black Bear, New York State hibernate and they actually
22:57don't. They just kind of like rest. They don't sleep. Their heart rate doesn'tslow down. So you can run into Black Bearduring what would be called like hibernation. They do come out oftheir dens and stuff.stuff like that. We have, we have seen this actually seen it before.I mean, initially, that initially we thought, there.So it was like, but this was this thing I could, I could feel it like in my feet.You know, it was like, it was not a bear.
23:31It was, it was, it was like a rumble.It almost sounded like a, like a rumble of thunder.That's the best way I can describe it.But it was so close, like it was as close to when.it sounded like my brother stepped on it.That's how close it was.And my brother took, like, stumbled back,took, like, two, three steps back into me,
23:52and I had to, like, put my hand outbecause he was going to push me off the trailinto the bamboo.So I had to, like, put my hand outto, like, stop him from pushing me further,and I put around right into my gun,and we both just stood there and froze.We didn't move,
24:08because I was waiting for something to come out.Now, on the left-hand side,of the trail on our walk-in,there were two big trees that were falling over,and they were right, like, butted up against the edge of the trail.Now, when you, this particular part of the trail where the bamboo is,the trail is almost elevated, like, a foot.So it's almost like a big, like, it's like a hump.
24:30So to the left of the trail and the right of the trail,it's sunken down, like, a foot to a foot and a half, maybe two feet,and that's where all the bamboo is.So right next to that, right,on the edge of the trail going into the bamboo,they were like two huge trees that were falling down.And it sounded like it had come from, like, right underneath that.But we stood there for a minute,
24:54and, you know, I was waiting for,I was legitimately waiting for like a bear to pop up.Finally, my, you know, my brother was like, what are we going to do?And I was like, well, I was like, we came in here to get our gear,so let's just press on and get our gear.You know, the fact remains is that we still have to walk past hereto go get, you know, our hunting blind and our chairsand the heater and the stuff we left out there at previous night.
25:15So we, you know, just, you know,you know, swallowed our pride and just, you know,just, you know, walked fast it,got to our blind, broke it all down,got all of our gear together.And we turned around and walked,now we're walking back towards the bamboo.Now when we walk through the bamboo area,
25:39it was probably like another 150,the 175 yardsuntil we got to where we hadplaced our blind.So,now we're startingto head back intothe trail where this
25:53bamboo, like, thicket starts.So as we're heading down this trail,we hear, like, a loudhuff, like a really loud,like exhale, like,like, a deer hunterwill know, like a, like, a,like a buck snort.
26:08It's like, the thing,like, fills its lungs up with air,And then, like, let's all the air out at once.I mean, it's pretty impressive thing to see.Like, if you're out in the woods, you see a deer do it, especially, like, a big buck.It's a pretty impressive thing to see, and it's loud.But this was not, like, a huff like that.It was, it was like, bears also do, like, a huff-type noise.
26:31It was like, it was, like, something had emptied out all its air.How far away from you did this happen?This happened, I mean, it was no further than like 30 yards away.So we hear this loud huff.Immediately we both froze because 15 minutes before that, 20 minutes before that,we had just encountered this growl in the same bamboo thicket.So we immediately stopped.Now I had still had the, I still had a round in my gun.
27:07we were both looking aroundit's hard difficult to see anything in bambooso we're looking we're lookingand out on now the trailin front of meI'm my brother's in front of meI'm behind my brotherthe trail in front of me
27:23is like a Tso like there's a there's an intersectionthere and there's bamboo there tooso as we're lookingdown the trail headwe can seeI I'll he didn'tdidn't see it, but I was looking through my scope and I could see a dark, like a dark object
27:45through the bamboo. And when I went up with my scope on my gun, I can see a face. And it was,I immediately, I didn't even know what to, I honestly didn't even know what to really say to mybrother. I told him, I said, bro, 30 yards, you know, 12 o'clock. And he picked up, he picked up,he had his binoculars around his neck, picked up his, I'm sorry, he picked up his binoculars.And he looked, and he, I mean, I don't, I don't meet the curse, but he said, holy fuck.I mean, at that point, even still now, I really don't even know how to express how I felt,because I don't knowI was
28:34I wasI was I don't know if I was nervousorI still can't evenI think basically what happened wasis like II feel like all the adrenalinein my body just like dump
28:49you know what I meanlike I don't know if you've everif you've ever been like hikingor something like thatand you felt like you were going to fallyou know and like you feel likeyou can feel like you can feel the adrenalinelike dump into your body
29:01It makes a whole, like, body tingle.It's a, it's a strange sensation, to say the least.So I'm looking through my rifle scope, and I can see it.I can see what, basically what I'm looking at looks like a man.It's covered in, in, like, brown, black.The hair wasn't long.It was almost like the hair on, like a German Shepherd.like it was long, like long, but not like somebody who had long hair, not like a woman's hair.
29:37The face, I can see the face, I could see the face almost down to like right below the lower lip.I mean, now you have to understand there was bamboo, you know, like in front of it, but it was, it had like gray.I could see, like, hair on its face.I could see that there was no hair on its forehead and it had like, slum.like super crazy,like,it had like skin,like with crazy wrinkles,
30:05like it had been liftinglike its eyebrows uplike for its entire life.You know,its whole foreheadwas just crazy wrinkles.The skin was gray.The eyes looked very dark,
30:16very,very dark.But from what I can tell,the only part of skinI could see on this thingwas its forehead.Or,yeah,
30:26it was basically its forehead.And,uh,I somehow mustered the strength to take one step forward.So I didn't even, like, not even like maliciously or menacing.I just basically like lifted my foot and put it forward.And this thing, the bamboo like snapped back together.And it sounded like there was a Jeep driving through the woods.
30:56Like somebody was, you know, off-roading with their Jeep through the woods.At that point, I looked over at my brother, and my brother was basically, he was like beside himself.I tried to talk to him later that day about it, and he wouldn't even really, he almost, he almost reacted as if it didn't happen.I know that sounds weird, but that's just kind of, that's just kind of how he, I guess he was dealing with it or whatever.But I took, like I said, I took that one step.The thing took off like a freight train.It turned it, the complete 180, and through the bamboo, it went.I looked over my brother, and my brother was, I could tell.
31:43He was, like, not really in a good way.So I just basically, like, grab them by the shoulder.And I was like, come on, bro.I was like, let's get back to the truck.Because we still had a, we still had a mile walk back to the truck from where we were.So I knew this thing wasn't right in front of us anymore.So I basically just grabbed him by the arm.And I was like, let's go.
32:00the back to the truck.So we basically, you know, double-timed it back to the truck.I wanted to, like, go into where I saw it.You know, I wanted to, like, walk off trail to where I saw this thing standing.And my brother really wasn't having any of it.And I honestly didn't want to, I don't know,I just didn't want to make my brother not trust that I had good judgment.You know what I mean?
32:25Like, when you hunt with somebody for long enough,and you know you'll basically you'll basicallyyou knowyou're putting like especially when you go into the middle of nowhereyou got to you got to rely on the person you're withto you know make the right decisions andand do what's safeultimately what's safe
32:44so I my brother wasyou know I didn't really want toI didn't really want to press the issuebut I I was freaked outcompletely thought of I'm still freaked outI've had nightmares.That night, I had nightmares.I haven't told my wife.
33:05I have two kids, two little kids.I have a, you know, I have a really good job.My brother has a really good job.He successfully owns his own business.But what's weird is that this is like,like whenever you hear about this kind of like topic or subjectyou never hear about it in New York.I mean, me personally, I've never really heard about it in New York.
33:34A lot of the guys that I was raised around who hunted upstate and stuff like that,they were all very, like, old school, like, old school, like New Yorkers,you know, it was very, everything was very, like, cut and dry,everything was very black and white.Like, there was never any talk of anything that wasn't normal.You know, or anything that you already didn't know of.You're like, yeah, there's, you know, there's deer, there's bobcat, there's, you know, all the small game, all that stuff out in the woods.I mean, you're not crazy, Kyle.
34:07I do get a lot of, I actually do get a lot of reports out of New York.I wanted to ask you, what was the size difference between you guys and the creature?Well, that's, that's the, in the bamboo thicket where we were, again, I don't know exactly how all the bamboo was,but the band would probably, I mean, it was a good, I'd say between 15, you know, 15 and 20 feet,like bamboo stalks.This thing was at least half the way, I would say half the way up, you know, the length of these stocks.So maybe, I mean, you know, seven and a half feet, eight feet, eight to a half feet.You know, like I said, I didn't walk over to where I was standing.
34:53and they had been able to get a little better perspective on how big it really was if I was able to put my feet where I saw it.But when I initially, I didn't see it because I wasn't looking high enough.Like when I was looking, initially I was when we heard the noise, I was thinking there.So I'm not looking at, you know, at human high height.I'm looking down.You know, I'm looking for something that's, you know, walks on.all fours is close to the ground.So as I didn't see that, and I started looking, you know, bringing my eyesight up a little
35:32bit and start, you know, expanding my field of view.That's when I saw the figure and then I looked, you know, I had to bring my eyesightup further.And that's what I saw, that's when I saw its face.It was a good, like I said, it was a good, a good seven feet, eight, eight feet.I mean, taller than I have a brother-in-law who's 6-8, and it was, I mean, it was a foot taller than him.It had to be.You know, that's the typical behavior.
36:04You know, you took one step forward, and I guess it took it as a challenge, and so it decided I didn't want to fight at that point.But, you know, I have heard them run through the woods like you did, and that's, you hit it right on the head.It sounds like someone in a vehicle driving through the woods.I mean, it just is, it's terrifying to hear it.It's terrifying to hear how big they are and how much they can just push the woods.Let me ask you that night, reflecting back on that night when you guys were in the blind,did it worry you going back in the next day to get your stuff?I realize you wanted to go back in and get your stuff.
36:40I will say that, and I mean, I know you do your research and stuff like that.and so like you, you know, you go into a spot during the day time.And it's just a very different environment during the day during the night.So, I mean, no, honestly, I wasn't even, you know, it was in the back of my mind.I mean, don't, you know, don't think that I wasn't thinking of it.But it didn't, it didn't stop me at all.I felt no, like reluctance to go back or anything like that.that. I didn't, you know, I didn't feel like, you know, it was daytime. So I felt like I could see
37:23everything. It's fine. And that makes sense. You're right. It is a different environment duringthe day than it is at night. What was your take on Sasquatch and Bigfoot and this whole topicbefore all of this happened to you? Well, I'm trying to think of like when I, I guess reallybecame like cognizant of it. Like I said, I'm 31. So when I got to like an age of reason, liketelevision was pretty good.You know, like, they had a lot of, like, documentary stuff and, you know, like,like, unsolved mysteries and stuff like that.And I was always into, I was always into, like, reading and the outdoors and reading books
38:05about the outdoors.So maybe, like, maybe when I was, like, 10 or 12, I probably came across it.And then by the time I was, like, 15 or 16, like, every,thing was at that point it already been likebasically like full-blown internetyou know you could look up anythingyou could find anything you canI remember being like you know
38:26young and on television I can't tell you likewhat television show wasbut I remember being like a little kidand seeing the Patterson filmon TV that to meI remember seeing that andand thinking that was you know thatand even to this day I look at that
38:44and that for me looks realI mean.You were open to it.Yeah, I was, oh, I'm definitely open to it.I'm definitely open to it.I'm not, you know, I'm not, I'm not by any means.Mike, and in comparison, my brother didn't really believe it.Like, didn't really believe it's a thing.
39:02Didn't want to believe it.You know, he was, I had mentioned it to him like years ago.And he was like, you know, who sees Sasquatch?He's like, all the people who report UFO sightings and see people who are doing thewatch.And I called himand I wasI was, I had started
39:18listening to your showmy buddyhad turned meonto your showprobably like a year agomaybe a little over a year ago.As soon as I heardlike the first episode
39:29I initiallyI like started like binge listeningand I like I do love your showyou guyshave an awesome showand to think like thatyou knowI'm like telling my story is
39:41I don't know if it'sexciting or scary.I still don't really know how to feel about it.But then my brother asked me, he's like,is it going to, you know, he's like,are you ever going to go back in the woods?He's like, you're ever going to hunt again?And I told him, I said, I think, I think I am.
39:57I mean, I don't, I don't think I'm going to necessarily go,like, because we also hunt on, like, a farm,like a piece of farmland, which, to me,it's a little more comforting to be there because you're kind of out in theopen.So, like, you know, you're not.not, you know, you're on a farm, you're on land that people live on and travel, but where wedeer hunting stuff like that, where that's, it's all state forest land. So it's, it's completely wild.
40:26You know, they don't, there's no campsites, there's no, um, there's nothing. There's basically a, uh,you know, a parking lot on the trailhead. And, you know, if you have, if you have the desire to do the,you know, the 16 mile hike to the, you know, to the summit.you know, go full with all the power to you, but, you know, there's no campson the way.Do you ever go back to, have you ever been back to the spot?I realize this just happened a few weeks ago.No.
40:55Do you think you'll go back?I haven't been back there yet, no.It's funny because my brother said, but I think maybe we should go back.He's like, well, let's go back.I mean, I would definitely go back.Definitely, I don't think I'd go back at night, you know, initially.But, yeah, I would definitely go back.back. I mean, that's, that's, that's a place that we've been deer hunting for years.
41:18So, I mean, and I've never had, you know, and when you deer hunt, you know, you go in,you hunt in the morning, you go in, in the dark, and you hunt the afternoon, and you come outin the dark. So I've never had any of this experience. And when we deer hunts, we don't hunttogether. Like, when we were coyote hunting, we were hunting side by five. You know, we werebasically like, touching shoulders inside the block. You know, it's more, a little more social.than deer hunting.You know, when you're deer hunting or any kind of big game hunting, you, you know,you want to be as quiet as you can be, you know, making as little noise and movement as you
41:54possibly can.So that's, I mean, you know, I've never had any kind of, like, weird, scary, nothing.I mean, I've never had anything other than, other than this.You know, I've kicked up bears and stuff like that hiking.because a lot of places in upstate New York.New York's gun laws are very, very strict.So you can't, you can't, like, if you want it to go,like, on like, a big hike up in the Adirondacks in the summertime
42:24or something like that, you can't bring your gun.You're just not allowed.It has to be like a, you can only be on during hunting season.I wanted to ask you this.When you're looking at the face of this thing,what stood out to you the most when you were looking at the face?what details stood out the most?I would say
42:42probably its eyes.The eyes looked,like I said, they looked black.They looked like deep in set,like in its head.I can see its eyes blink.So basically, once I saw the dark figureand I continued my,
43:02you know, my way up until I hit its face,I never really took my eyes off of its face.face. I was, I think I was probably in shock of what I was even looking at. And I could definitelytell what my brother was just by looking at him. I could tell you he was definitely in shock.But the eyes, the eyes didn't look big. They almost looked small in comparison to its head.What about the nose? The nose was pretty flat. Again, actually, the nose really didn'thave much hair on it either. It looked pretty flat. It looked like, um,The best way I can describe it is if you made like a person's nose out of Play-Doh and then just kind of like smushed it, like smushed it flat.
43:47That's probably the best way I can describe it.But the skin was super wrinkly, like above it, above it.You could see like on its forehead.Its forehead looked tremendous, like tremendous.You can see, like, deep.It almost looked like scars, like the frown ridges, like in its forehead.It was deep.It looked like leather.
44:10It looked like,um,uh,it looked like the,like the leather of a baseball mitt,like would just all like wrinkled up.I mean,that's the best way to describe.
44:21This,this skin looked like,um,it didn't look,it didn't look shiny.It didn't look like,uh,you know,
44:29like when we get sweaty and stuff like,we get like super oily and our skin get shiny.It didn't look like that at all.It looked like very,it didn't look like very,it,just looked like, it looked more like a hide than skin. You know, is that, that makes sense? I don't knowif you know what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no, I do. It's, um, I've had other witnesses report that to me.
44:50Uh, one lady got a really good look and she describes the same way you did. Uh, she said likedried out leather that was cracked and yeah, exactly, exactly. It was like dried, like animal hide.Like, uh, yeah, that's the, that's exactly what it looked like. Yeah. And, and, and thinking back on theencounter, God, you must have been really close for it to growl out you like that.You guys must have really stepped in.Well, initially, initially when we walked up, I thought my brother, like, stepped on it.I thought my brother stepped on what I thought was a bear.I thought he, like, stepped on it.
45:23Like, that's how close we were.And it was, it was, that, honestly, was probably the scariest part of anything.I know that you'd think, like, seeing it was scary, but sometimes when you,you don't see things and hear it, it's worse.You know, like it, because now your mind doesn't have a clear picture of what's going on.You're feeling in the blanks.You know, so I was, like, when I saw the preacher, I was more in shock.I think in shock, yeah, than I was frightened.
45:59You know, I, it's hard to explain.I've never felt like that at any point in my life.life in any other situation I've ever been in.So, like, it's hard for me to explain, like, how I felt, you know, I'm, I'm sure anybodywho else has been in a similar situation would may even say the same thing.Like, I didn't know, you know, like, I've heard some of the people on your show say that,you know, they, like, they felt frozen.Like, I didn't necessarily feel frozen, but I definitely didn't feel like running away
46:33was the right idea. You know, I didn't think, like, oh, you know, run.like this isn't something I knowrun away from it. But it was still, I'm still,honestly, I still think about itlike 10 times a day.You know, it's still like,I don't, I don't want to tell anybody.You know, I don't know.
46:55I don't know what to, I don't know what to make of it.Like, I don't know, I don't know, I've never even met,met anyonewho'sever had an encounter,ever, ever, ever.I've never, I don't know anybodyor if they have, they've never told me,
47:13you know, but I know a lot of guys whospent a lot of time in the woods.And I mean, I'm only 31 years old.I mean, I, you know,I learned to hunt for my father,and my father is almost 70.You know, I've been around guyswho have been in the woods there,
47:28Kyle Liza, and I've never heard anything like this,especially where we live.I mean, you know, you think that you think of all the stuff takes place in Canada or, you know,Northern California, Washington State, Oregon, you know, up where you are.Yeah, it kind of turns your whole world upside down when you see it.It's confusion, it's shock, it's fear, it's like all the emotions kind of thrown in one,and it's hard to process what you're looking at, especially if you've never seen it before.You weren't really expecting it in your mind.
48:03you're thinking bear.But that growl, I know that growl that you heard, and it's terrifying when you hear it.Like, I get completely when he said, hey, the growl almost terrified me more than seeing it.Yeah, it did.It definitely did.And because that, I mean, that definitely shook my brother, I could tell, because he's walked back right into the air.And, I mean, again, you know, we're added hunters.Like, I'm not afraid of a bear.
48:28You know, I mean, like I said, we were scouting hunting property.last year.And, you know, before hunting season started, and you can't be armed,and we were hiked just backpacking in.And we just kicked up a bear.You know, we kicked up a bear 10 feet from us.You know, it was laying down in, like, some tall grass.The trail was super narrow.
48:49And it was, like, wave-high grass.And, you know, we just kicked this thing up,and it took off like a rocket ship.Black bears run away from you.I mean, I've never really had any encounters with grizzly bears or anything like that.But black bears are the most part.They don't want to.They just run.
49:03They don't want anything to do with you.And they're not, you know, you're not going to run across an 800-pound black bear.They don't exist.You know, like if you came across a 500-pound black bear, that would be huge in New York State.Huge.Yeah.No, they are.And Black Bear aren't really that big.
49:21You know, one of the things I was thinking, as I listened to your encounter, you know, the fact that there was two of you.And that might have changed the game when you come face-to-face.If it would have just been one of you might have been a different story.but the fact that there was two of you and, you know, and that you were armed, probably got it to back off.And you want to be careful going back into areas like that, man.You just, you know, you may get a different reaction the second time around if you come across it again.No, I hear you.I hear you.
49:51But I definitely understand.I get that, you know, your brother wants to go back out there.I mean, I get that.I get that completely.It's curiosity.You know, it's driving.nuts. It's driving you insane right now, thinking about it constantly. And it will for a while.You know, it's, it's something that'll pass for a while. But, you know, it's, that's what great thing
50:14about doing a show like this, Kyle. You know, people come on. I've had police officers on. I've had,you know, Superior Court judge on. I've had people from all walks of life that have seen them.So, you know, not all crazy people see Sasquatch. I would say 99% of the people that see them arecompletely sane and are in shock just like you are.Yeah.I just can't stop thinking about it.And I, it's like I want to, I want to tell somebody because I have a, I got a coupleof friends who I'm like, you know, pretty close with all, you know, I'll tell them a lot of
50:50stuff, but I just, I like, won't dare tell them.I, you know, I, I don't know.It's, it's a strange thing if it's ever happened to you.I mean, and I know it's happened to you, but it's, it's not something.I can explain. You know, I can explain it the best of my words can explain it, but I can't emotionallyexplain, you know, the, the noises and the, you know, it's wild. There's, you know, there's thingsout there we don't know about. Yeah, you're absolutely right. You know, I don't know, especially at night.It's like when you go out in the woods at night, it's a completely different place from the
51:30daytime. There's a completely different set of animals that come out. I mean, it's, they,date tonight, it's almost like being in a different place.You can go somewhere at noon and feel totally comfortable and, you know, take your shoes off and lay in the grass.And you can go there at 12 midnight and feel nothing but like dread and be like, I don't, I just want to go home.You know what I mean?I just want to get out of here.Yeah, you're right.At night, it is a completely different feel.
51:59You know, a lot of places will go during the day.And you're right.You can lay down.You feel great.That night's a different type of feeling that you get.it, but it's a fascinating encounter, man.You'll have to stay in touch with me.Let me know if anything else happens.
52:12Yeah, I will.I mean, I go up there, like I said, that's land on a deer hunt.You know, and I almost don't.I know it's going to sound crazy to some people, but I don't want to, you know,I see a lot of deer in there.I almost don't, like, want to give it up.You know, I don't want to not go back because of this, you know.But I'm done.
52:35I mean, it's not going to determine.term even going back down the woods and definitely going back out in the woods next somethingseason and I'll probably be out before that scout and stuff like that so and I mean I got plans I gotto take my family camping um this year so yeah I mean I'll be out there yeah well be safe while you'reout there you know and uh you'll be fine you just in the situation you know like I said I think you guysdrew them in they thought it was going to be an easy meal with your call and yeah I know that thatowl sound. That owl sound, I've heard that in Texas, and it threw me off when I heard it,because it does. It sounds like an owl. What they do in Texas is it sounds like an owl all the way
53:14through. It sounds like an owl until the very, very end. And it turned into like a monkey zoo.Yeah. One went off, and then pretty soon the other one went off, and then all the owlsounds stopped, and it was all monkey noises. Yeah, that's what it was. It was crazy. I never heardanything like it, man. I'd never heard anything like it. And in recounting it,Like the next day with my brother, you know, I told them, I said, what did you hear?I said, what did you hear those two?Because now after it happened, you start to get like, you know, it was just owls.You know, it was just owl.
53:46Like it was, you try to like to just explain it away.You try to just explain everything away.So I told them, I said, what did you hear?You know, like tell me what you heard.And I said, and I'll tell you what I heard.And I said I heard two owls that turned into like monkey,laughter, screaming, you know, just confusion.And he said, yeah, like, that's exactly what I heard.
54:12You know, like, that's what it was.It was not, I've heard the barn owl.They called it laughing.I heard it before.And it was not this.This went from owl to monkey at like the flip of a switch.Yeah, you're right.It is like a flip of a switch.
54:27It starts off that owl you hear kind of gives me shivers thinking about.it you talking about it because that's why i felt when i was in texas i was like that's man that's that's a bigowl i was like it's got a powerful voice i mean it sounded like an owl in the beginning i mean it had itnailed to a tea but i was like there's something not right about it it's just too loud and thentowards the towards the end is when they went into the monkey noises and i was like oh no yeah and it'sfunny you're right because one will call to another one using that call but they always screw upthe end of it they always mess up the end of it yeah i don't know noWell, I appreciate you coming on and sharing it, Kyle, very much.
55:08I mean, it was an awesome encounter.I appreciate you.I appreciate you giving me an outlet to tell someone or else really the only person.Because, like I said, I haven't even told my wife.You know, the only people who know, you know, I haven't told my father.I won't tell my dad.I won't tell my wife, you know.Because I don't want my wife to be like, you know, you're not, I don't want you going up there,
55:30hunting, you know, you've got kids.I feel like I can take care of myself.as long as I have my brother with me, you know, there to, you know, keep me safe as I'm going to do famine.I'm, you know, I'm not, I'm not going to be foolish and try to do anything on my own or anything like that.I never have, I never will. It's not worth it.Well, you guys definitely got the buffet of experiences that night.You know, it's like I always say, they're out there.Some people, they have to see them to believe it.
55:55And that's, you know, that's how most people are.I would say I'm like that on a lot of things.But once you see it, man, you'll never forget it.And it'll kind of change your view.I guarantee when you go back, your head will be on a swivel when you go back out there.Oh, yeah, I'm sure.I'm sure of it.I remember on our drive home, because it's about a two-and-a-half-hour drive home for me
56:17from where we go hunting upstate.And a lot of it is just rural interstate and through-way and stuff like that.And I was like scanning the tree line.I think I was watching the tree line more than I was watching the call.in front of me on the way home.And just just looking, you know, just looking to see if I saw anything.It'll be like that for a while.Yeah, yeah, I definitely, I just don't want it to, you know, I just don't want it to, like,
56:45take over.Yeah, feel free to give me a call or shoot me a text anytime, man.If you have questions on it, I know you'll probably be looking into it.Feel free to call me anytime, and thank you again for coming on.All right, thank you.I really appreciate it, Wes.And that's it for tonight, everyone.Remember, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email,
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