Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:196 The Paracas Skulls

Episode Date: February 28, 2016

Join me as I invite Ron Morehead to the show and we go off trail tonight talking about the Paracas Skulls. Ron Morehead has traveled the world doing research on the unexplained, undiscovered, and underexplored. He is recognized around the globe for the best Bigfoot/Sasquatch audio recordings known as the Sierra Sounds. Ron's Research includes the scientific study of Bigfoot evidence, the possibility of connections between Bigfoot and the skeletons found in Peru and Bolivia, the Love Lock Cave, and the Minaret Skull. Ron and I will be discussing the Paracas Skulls and Ron shares with us what he learned from his recent trip to Peru and also a recent encounter he had in 2011 when he returned to the location where he captured the sierra sounds. Check out Ron's website at http://ronmorehead.com/

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Let's start the show. New DNA information on the Paracas elongated skulls. That's a group of skulls, 300 of them, that were excavated in Peru in 1928. Now, you can see from the pictures that they're abnormal looking. there's 300 of these skulls that were found buried together, and they all have these abnormal heads. So my first reaction when I saw this was, oh, but there are some cultures where this is considered beautiful,

and cultures actually elongate their schools. But tell us a little bit about why that is not the explanation for this. Well, this is what they're finding. First of all, in regards to that, the capacity inside the skull, is larger than a normal human skull. So if they were to do that, what you're talking about, it would reshape the skull,

but it wouldn't change the volume of the brain inside the skull. These are 25% larger and 60% heavier. That much. 60%. That's huge difference. And that alone is enough to make you go, whoa, what's going on there? But the DNA evidence that came out, to put this in perspective,

these skulls are 3,000 years old, and the pyramids of Egypt are around 4,000 years old. And what they came out with was this. The researcher who is named Brian Forster, he hired a DNA geneticist to look into this who said this. It had mitochondrial DNA with mutations unknown in any human, primate, or animal known so far. But a few fragments I was able to sequence from this sample

indicate that if these mutations will hold, we are dealing with a new human-like creature, very distant from the Homo sapiens, Neanderthals, and Dinosovans. I am not sure it will even fit into the known evolutionary tree. So this is incomplete. It's not an entire, he's saying the samples that he's gotten, there's this indication that, yes, there's some human-like, DNA that they cannot connect to previously known DNA. And of course, a lot of people, skeptics are going to, you know, criticize the actual test or the methods of the test or the, you know.

Which they should, you know. Sure, yes. But, you know, even even the part about the volume of the brain and the weight of it is enough to make it to make me lean in the direction of like, okay, there might be something there. Even visually, I mean, these things look Photoshop. They're so unlike any human schools. Like, they, that does, I mean, so incredibly long. Yeah. And there's the 300, the entire population of this area.

Yeah. This isn't compared with a normal human skull. And as you said, you know, the skull modification that certain cultures do, some suggest that it is to emulate these older, this older civilization because they were superior in a way. So the elite would try to make themselves look that way. That's what's being supposed. I'm not saying I believe that,

so don't go flaming me down in the conference, all right? Forster says this. From the doctors that I have spoken to, they have said that you can alter the shape of the skull, but you cannot increase the size of the skull. The skull is genetically predetermined to have a certain volume. And he's saying, you know, he needs more money to do a full genetic genome study, which would cost about $100,000.

So he's trying to raise the money to do that, look for an angel investor. Until then, he says, I've had many different ideas, but I've been waiting for actual DNA analysis, and this has taken an incredible long time due to lack of funding. But he says his intent is simply to find the truth as to, who these people were. I find it fascinating. Absolutely. I want to know. So I hope we find out more. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you this evening. I'll be bringing Ron Moorhead on. Most of you remember him from the Sierra Sounds. Here's a little

clip of the Sierra Sounds. And that's the Sierra Sounds. Remember if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquist. Watch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, visit Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Become a subscriber. Get additional shows throughout the week. Again, I'm still finding this cold, so please forgive my voice tonight. I wanted to invite Ron back to the show.

Ron and I are pretty good friends. He's one of those guys that can always call up and shoot ideas off of him. You know, when I've had a strange encounter or I've talked to a witness that, you know, I'm really not sure what to make of it. Ron's been doing this for way longer than I have. And it's nice to have people that you can call. And Ron's one of those guys. He always picks up when I call.

And I'll say, hey, Ron, what do you think of this or what's your take on this? And he always gives me his honest feedback on what he thinks. And sometimes, well, we may not always agree on certain things on our theories. At the end of the day, I think we both, you know, understand that we could be wrong on a lot of things. and I always respect Ron, always respect him as a person, respect his thoughts, his views. And this is a perfect example of, well, you may not agree sometimes with someone. You can definitely respect them. And so, again, Ron's a close friend.

I'm glad he came on. I wanted to talk a little bit about, go a little bit off trail tonight and talk about these Paracas schools. We'll be talking about Bigfoot tonight too as well, but I really wanted to get his take on the Paracca. schools. And as some of you heard in the intro, what the Paraka schools are, Ron had a chance to go down to Peru and actually look at them firsthand and talk to people locally about what these schools are and how they came about. I always wanted to do a show on this, and so I'm very happy to have Ron on tonight. Well, let's go ahead and welcome Ron to the show. Ron is the author of Voices in the wilderness. Also known for the Bigfoot recordings, aka the Sierra Sounds. Ron is always kind

enough to allow me to use his sounds. I do a lot of retelling of historical Sasquatch encounters, and so I do appreciate and let me use those, Ron. Ron also has a new book coming out this fall. It's called The Quantum Bigfoot. You can visit his website at Ronmorehead.com, and I highly recommend everyone to go to the website, check it out. Check out his research. And if you get a chance, get these Sierra sounds, the Bigfoot sounds, volume one and two. Rom, thanks for coming on. Well, thank you, Wes, for asking me.

It's my pleasure. I always love talking to you. It's good. It's good. Sit here and just talk, you know. Yeah, actually, the information on my new book, which I haven't really put on my website yet, it's on my Facebook, Ronald J.morehead, Facebook. Anyway, I haven't said much about it other than just announced it the other day.

So thank you for mentioning it, though. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll have to have you back when it comes out. I'm always interested in your theories and your take. I know you've been doing this for a long time. As I was just saying before we went on air, I'm jealous of your trip to Peru. I've always been interested in the Paracas schools for a long time. Tell me about your interest in the Paracas schools.

How did that come about? Well, I talked to a guy named L.A. Mazula, who invited me to go down there with him on an expedition. He heard about the sounds. He's into the Nephilim, the biblical giants of old, and that was a cross between aliens and humans, according to the biblical scriptures anyway. And he's into trying to establish that scientifically, and if it can be established. So, anyway, I wondered sometimes if maybe the enigmas associated with Bigfoot up here, wouldn't have something to do with the enigmas that you see down there and all the interesting things. So I went down there with him in 2013.

He was down there, I think, three weeks, maybe something like that, and maybe four. And I went down again in 2014 and went into Bolivia then too and we visited the Paracus Skulls again. And anyway, I got an exact copy of them from a guy named Joe Taylor who went down with us and they allowed him to actually copy one. He's a forensic paleontologist, I guess you call them, and came out really well. So they're quite unique and love to talk about them. They're not human.

I can tell you that. We had scientists where there were two different scientists on each trip, and we weighed them. We got into a private museum because you can't do much of that in the public museums. They won't let you touch them or even look at some of them. So anyway, what can I tell you about them?

They're elongated, as you've seen pictures of them. They were not cradleboarded, as they call it, cranial deformation. It's a proper word. And that's when the Inca's were copying these. The pre-Inca people, the practice people, we call them. And they were cradleboarding their royalty to try to get the same shape that these non-human skulls were. and they was doing that, we believe, to maybe get the same attributes they may have had,

which was, we think, responsible for the megalactic structures down there, which removed 100-ton boulders removed for miles and miles and miles up on top of a hill and cut like a jigsaw puzzle with some type of a method that's unknown today even. Anyway, placed together like a jigsaw puzzle, no mortar, just perfectly, matched and some of the walls we're seeing in some of the other areas. They were five foot thick and matched just as well on the other side of the wall. So what did that, how they did it is a mystery. Yeah, it's interesting. When you look at these elongated skulls and they're found all over the world. It's not just Peru. They find them in Egypt. You know, I think the Incas and the

Mayas tried to, or the Mayans tried copying them. Kind of like, I guess, what you would think of kids today copying celebrities. Yeah, they did copy them. We know they were not human because of the well, the forensic we did on the skulls themselves. They have a sageal

humans have a sageal suture through the top of their head in the parietal area. We have two parietal bones on top of our head. You have the sypical in the front and the cranial in the front and the sypical in the back. These do not have a sageal suture. It's just

one, one skull, one parietal. And that makes them kind of unique. And in the back of a lot of them, there was two little pinholes, which we don't know what was for, but they're unique. And they weren't from deformation or for trepidation, I should say, which is what a lot of ancients did when they had a headache that knocked a hole in their head, tried to relieve the pain. Yeah, it's interesting. When I looked into this a while back, what I found was, even though,

some of these schools, it looked like brain surgery had been done on some of these schools. They have, you know, you mentioned the two holes, but I know some of the other ones I looked at, you know, they had brain surgery. It looked like they had done brain surgery on them, which is shocking. Absolutely. Yeah. You can see. Yeah, you can see it. And you can see where it's tried to heal up on some of them. And, but these holes in the back of these skulls, just two pinholes, pretty much in the same spot on several different ones. And they're just pinholes. They're not like something punched them with a knife. It's like they were there naturally.

I don't know what that was all about, but these things certainly, we think, had some features about them that could make things happen, that we don't know how, they had the secret of levitation or vibrational waves or something because they had to get those boulders there

by some means other than what we know. Yeah, and that's interesting that you mention that because as you look around the world, a lot of these old structures, you know, we can't even duplicate today with the equipment we have and all the technology we have. We can't move these boulders. I think it's interesting when you look at these schools, I know the first thing a lot of people will say, as you mentioned, Ron, it's cranial deformation. But these particular skulls, especially the ones in Peru, they're a lot larger. The brain was a lot larger. I think they were 60% heavier than a normal human school. You know,

you can alter a skull to copy this, but you can't make a school physically larger. You can't add volume to a school. Or the brain. Or the brain. That's what they were after. If they elongated the skull, it might have made it look like that, but it wouldn't have given me more brain matter. And that's what I think they were after is trying to figure out what it took to get the skull. It's not, get the same features these things had to be able to do what these things probably did. So anyway, kind of interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. When you look at it, my first thought, when I very first saw them,

is I was thinking that looks like a gray alien skull, because even the eyes are bigger, everything's bigger about these skulls. When you were down there, did they talk about the physical size of these people? I mean, were these people just physically larger, or is there a theory on that? No, they weren't physically larger. They were probably five to six feet, and just like we, like us, we. But even though the tombs, we were in some graves that, well, we're not supposed to do that, but we did it, and found some remains.

And, no, their femurs, everything was about the same as a regular man. So now, there has been reports of giants being found down there and giant bones being found. We didn't find any. the Warcaros, that's the grave robbers, that took us to a couple spots, they told me through an interpreter that they found an eight-foot-tall at once, but they don't think a lot of, they're after the artifacts there. They're after the jewelry, they're after whatever, get some money, and they can sell to a private museum. And I tell you what, they're all over down there. And in fact, in Ecuador, in 2013, I just read this article recently, they found, I think it was, seven or eight bodies of giants,

eight foot, seven to eight foot tall. And evidently, they did turn them over to the Germans who were supposed to be doing some forensic study, but I've lost trial of it there. I haven't heard a thing about it, and it's been a couple of years now. So they ought to be coming out with something on that. But they found those in Ecuador just above Peru.

I'm always amazed, too, when these giant skulls and these giant skeletons just up and disappear. You know, as you go through the historical record, isn't it shocking that they just disappear? Well, they don't really disappear. The government takes them, I think, and they just hide them. And I don't know why. I think there's a conspiracy, to be honest with you.

I've been into Winamaka at the Lovelock case four times, and I've been into the museum over there. I've been trying to research that, and they'll tell you, oh, they weren't giants, they weren't giants. But you see one of the old pictures that was taken of the giants. I guess you've heard that story, haven't you, about the Paiutes Award with cannibalistic giants in Nevada? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, a lot of people know about that story. The Paiets swore up and down, they were hairy, they were big, they were cannibals, and they ran as many as they could into this cave and burn them out, basically,

and shot them as they came out with arrows. Anyway, it wasn't until 1911 when they discovered these remains, when the Guana miners were taking the Bacquana out, they came under about four or five feet underneath the back quana was these remains of artifacts. and of course the pites moved in there after they'd kill the giants out. But really the skulls they found were much bigger than humans. And I saw pictures of them. And it's just, I wanted to research Peru because I wanted to see if those elongation,

because a lot of people report sageal crests and sidel features, elongated features on Bigfoot. And I thought maybe that might have something to do with what's happening up here because there are stories in the Incas where they warred with the Central America Aztec, and the Aztec actually have stories, and lions do too, of warring with giants in the north. Well, there you got it, going right into North America. So those stories, I think it chases down into North America, and then you can also, you know about the Minaret skull, I'm sure you've heard about that.

That got lost, strangely lost by UCLA. It's gone. Albury and I went in an expedition to try to find that. It was a large skull. Have you heard about that skull, Wes? I haven't. Tell me about it. Well, Dr. Benton, Dinton, excuse me, from Bishop, Nevada, went into, with a Boy Scout group, into the minarets and the Cierras. And they had a mule with them and a pack mule, and it kicked up some bones, or a bone, a skull, basically.

and it was huge. And Dr. Denton looked at it. He sent it off to Uso, L.A., to have it studied, and that's where it's lost. They just, the report that got back was that it's probably some Native American. It was, what they call it? I forgot out of the term, but where the skull is just bigger. But it was something that shouldn't have got lost, whatever it was.

And it should have gotten, it's probably somebody, some professors down somewhere, for an ashtray, who knows. But all those things seem to get taken away. They go through this act that was passed in 1998 that says that we can't view

human remains. And those are supposed to be human remains. That's why they've taken all the giants away. Only a Paiute or a Native American can claim them and give them a rifle bury it. But then they've got to bury them if they claim them.

So anyway, all that stuff gets lost. I don't know if you know Jim Barrera or not, but I know him. He's spoken, I think he's got a TV thing going on too, but he's got all kinds of information on giants in North America that have been found, and they just all get taken away into the Smithsonian, locked up, never seen again. And I think the government has got to keep a lid on all this because it's going to throw a kink into, I think this is why they do it, into religions.

it'll throw a kink into Darwinism because it's something different. And what I've chased down is what I think is different about them. And that's it. I do believe that Bigfoot is a hybrid. He's a cross between something and something else. Basically, some type of a primate.

And possibly there's been some alien intervention into a DNA manipulation in the past somewhere that's created these things. Because they are censurate, as most people know by now, that the sounds that I've recorded has language in them according to cryptozoology

a cryptolinguish, excuse me, Scott Nelson studied them and he's a professional. He does this. He did it for 30 years. He's got thousands of hours listening to voice transcriptions and making voice transcriptions, but he's declared that they have language

by the human definition of language. Now a lot of things can talk back and forth like whales communicate, dolphin communicate, all animals communicate, but to use cognizant language like these things do, only humans are supposed to have that. And that makes them into another realm as far as I'm concerned, because I think we're hybrids, be honest with you.

Well, in talking about the language, you know, I tend to agree with you. I mean, even the insider I had on recently, Chris was talking about how they do have a language. It's more than just whoops, grunts, and moans. They do talk back and forth together. It is definitely a language. It's interesting as you talk about the giants and stuff. I've done a few shows on this.

And when you look at it like what the Native Americans talk about regarding cannibalistic giants and some of the old tales that they tell, I think sometimes I've done this personally, we lump everything into Bigfoot. They may not necessarily be talking about Bigfoot. Some of these other things, whether it was an ephalum or whatever they were, they were fighting giants back then,

and they talked about them eating people and just being vicious, vicious, vicious. There definitely is some sort of cover-up. I tend to agree with you on that. Do you think that's why anthropologists aren't looking into, say, for example, their Pyrrachas schools? I mean, this is one of the biggest discoveries of our time, and no one really seems to be looking into it.

Well, they can't get funding. I tell you, I've talked to scientists. I know them. I know a lot of these guys. I talk with them and meets. I've been around the world with a couple of them, or not around the world, but over into some pretty foreign places.

They will not, if they even approach something like this, they will not get funded, and it can affect their career. Because it's a cartoonish type sound, Bigfoot. You know, it doesn't sound like something you would pay attention to. But for some reason, they lose their funding if they attack this. Now, we've been very fortunate with Dr. Meldrum and Ben Ingel

and a few others who have tried and worked towards this, but they've got to be careful. They've got to stay within the classical scientific box where they can get funding to work on things. But to get some of these guys to pay attention to this is like nail and jello the wall. They just don't. And it's because, I think, because of their training and their tenure, everything about their education is on the line.

and their future. So until somebody like Brian Forrester, who's down there and trying to bring this to light, he was our guide down there, he's got a lot going on with all over discovering this stuff. And until someone really breaks out and says, I don't care what happens, I'm going to put a finger on this. And they do some studies because we're trying to get DNA out of some other, but you can't get it out of Peru. Now, the Germans did. Those just, as I told you about earlier, the giants that they found. in Ecuador, we'll see if they come up with something there, but then it gets kind of just put on the back burner, just like so much it does. Even, well, Albert Ketchum's gotten a bad rap, I think, but I think her study may turn out to be more than what people think of now. She's a geneticist, you know, that did the DNA on supposedly Bigfoot findings. But what she came up with,

is right where my theory goes and where it's been. It's kind of interesting where the genome basically is different, and it's got a human metacondrial DNA, which we have. All humans have that, obviously, but the nuclear DNA, the male counterpart to all this, is unknown. You know, we can chase ours down. Anyway, she did all that and said,

well, there's no known species that it came from. the male counterpart. And that kind of throws a curve into science because that doesn't fall into evolution. It doesn't fall into Darwinism. It doesn't fall into categories that they've got to put something in. Yeah, it makes you wonder

talking about Bigfoot, where it comes from. You know, I had my insider and I spent a lot of time talking with that person. And one of the things that Chris had mentioned was they are definitely doing DNA manipulation on the, things and creating other things and it's not too far off to believe that that's going on because you can see all of the transhumanism going on today all of the just a different manipulation people

trying to live longer people trying to be above human I guess and you see a lot of that going on today but going back to what Chris was saying you know they have altered these beings and so I always wonder if someone gets DNA from a Sasquil watch that has been manipulated with, what would they see? What would they, you know, is it the original ones that were here or is it, it's just this big mystery, you know? And so even Chris said if someone ran the DNA off of one that had been manipulated with, it would make no sense when the geneticist ran it because it would just, there would be things that wouldn't add up. I, if you're leading right into what I believe, I believe there's more than one type of these

beings out there. Some are good, some are bad, but some have been manipulated through DNA, and I think some of them are from a long time remnants from a long time back. It could have cross-bred with natives, which made them a little more human than what some of the others might be. But I believe the government may be involved with some type of DNA manipulation. They've always played around with stuff like that, as long as they've had the technology anyway. And it's not a far-fetched thing to think if aliens have been here, and I'm sure they have been from what I've seen, that they haven't done some manipulation with the DNA, too, of primates of some type, and all kinds of animals, according to Greek mythology. So it's kind of fun looking into all this, you know, it really is, Wes, because it's a mystery, and it's fun to try to solve those mysteries, isn't it? Yeah, no, it's a blast to look into some of the stuff, and some of it's kind of terrifying. you look into it. You know, it makes you

for me, and I don't know if you feel this way, Ron, for me when I start looking into some of the stuff, like the Paraca schools and these elongated schools and these giants and Sasquatch, it makes me think our human history isn't quite

what we've been told. The history of mankind is completely different than what you'll find in a textbook in a college somewhere. You know, even like the Paraca schools. I know, in Austria, there was a woman that died that had a form of

cranial deformation. And I think she died like 400 AD and even in the Middle Ages, Royal Europeans were copying what you find in the Prakoskuls. And it's like, why are they copying this? As you looked into it, who do you think these people were

with regard to the Prakoskuls? I think they were alien, basically. They're not human, whatever they were. How they got here, I don't know for sure, of nobody does. But there's a lot of enigmas down there. You've got the NASCA

area. There's mountains down there that the whole top of it's missing. I mean, it hadn't been graded off. It's just gone. And I flew over all that. And it's just the stuff you see down there is just like the cradleboard of the world or something. When you see a graveyard,

I went through a graveyard, and I went partially anyway, seven miles along this grave site. And all you've seen, as far as you can see, is a mound and a little hole, a mound and a hole. That's where the war caros, the grave robbers, are digging up looking for artifacts.

And where they find the really good artifacts is in the royalty graveyards. And those are sealed off now because they were getting robbed from us. They're guarded. Like we went to where we could just see one, and a guard come up and said, you can't even take a picture of it, which was

really strange. And we had a guide with us too from a local museum, and he anyway, almost got us all arrested, but that regardless, they protect that stuff now. The government does in all these areas for some reason. And I really don't know why they are so stingy with that, because we could learn so much if we took some DNA, but I don't think they want us to know so much. Are the Paraca schools, are they open to the public for display?

Yeah, they're in private museums mostly, down in Paracas. They call them Paracas skulls because I don't. That's where they're mostly seen. You can see them pretty much everywhere, though, over Peru and Bolivia, too. I saw a really big one in Bolivia from a private guy who found it in his yard. Buried, he was actually close to Pulapuku up there, close to Lake Titicaca. He's digging for a foundation for his home and found out he was basically living in close to a graveyard, right there on a graveyard. so he stopped putting his house there.

But anyway, there's a big skull there. Just elongated, just like these others, it was bigger. You do have a museum in Lima, actually, not Lima, excuse me. I forgot the name of the town now, but it's south of Paracas, southeast of Paracus. But you can get in there and look at them, but they're behind glass, and they're elongated, but you can't study them. You get in these private museums, and he'll let you pick them on and look at it.

them and that's what we went into in Paracas. And we got to weigh them, we got to take them apart. Actually, it was a baby there, a mummified one. It was taken out of a tomb with two others and we think it was a mother, father, and a baby. And this baby was a, which brought a forensic dentist in to give some assessment of what he thought the age was. He thought it was between 14 and 18 months old. And I've got a copy of that one too. And it's just not human.

There's no parietal. I mean, there's no sagittal suture in the parietal. It's just one single parietal on top of the head. And the reciprocal in the back is just strangely different. Are they all red-headed? Well, I don't know. The ones we saw were red-headed. Yeah, the baby was red-headed, for sure.

And that was after we unwrapped it, very gingerly unwrapped in front of a scientist, with gloves on everything, was done properly because we documented all. and it was red hair growing on that thing and some of the others we saw in the museum a lot of them didn't have any hair they clean them off but the ones that did have some hair were red yes yeah it just the whole thing

fascinates me you know it's who were these people or who were these beings I guess I should say and why is everyone around the world trying to copy this elongated school what was it about these beings that even royalty, like in the Middle Ages, as I mentioned, that even royalty was trying to copy this elongated look. And it just makes you wonder, who were these beings?

I mean, what was it about them? You know, because you, gosh, you would think you'd see someone with elongated school today, and they'd be a freak in our culture. Well, to me, what I think is they're trying to copy what these things were able to do. You get into even the Egyptian pyramid, you know, it's still a little bit of a mystery. I think they got it figured out, but none of that stuff makes sense.

You'd have to plan one of those 200-ton boulders over 60 seconds or something like that to build it in one Farrow's lifetime. There's some ridiculous equation for that that just doesn't add up. Somebody knew something, and it was genius, is what it was. And these things are,

if you've seen those megalactic structures down there all over Peru, and there's a lot of them up in Kusk, go. They're all over. Also, you've got the Mityapichia, which basically, I think the Inca's actually moved on to that and did some things there after these practice people were gone. So we don't really know everything, obviously, but they were trying to mimic the abilities that these things have by elongated their own skulls or the skulls of their royalty.

Yeah, it's interesting. Even the NASCAR lines, I think there's a famous one. they call it the astronaut. It's got big eyes. And I think they, I could have sworn that they say the Parakis people actually created that. Well, I don't know. Who created it? I don't know that they know. But it's been there a long time. And the eyes on these skulls, the sockets anywhere are huge. They're much bigger than, and so is the mandible.

They're just different than human. I'm looking at one right now on my desk here. And a little creepy. Yeah, they are. But they're able to do things. And I think things that we don't know how to do. And basically it's levitation. It's probably through vibrational waves that we don't know.

But we can only guess and speculate on what it was all about. But again, it's fun. I want to see how it came to Bigfoot if it did relate to Bigfoot. So basically, I follow the stories that they have. all the way up here to North America. And there's a possibility that Bigfoot could be a part of something that was a remnant of something that was from these things. Or from something else. Don't tell us how many, Wes, how many different aliens have been on this Earth?

Different types, different kinds. A few years ago, you got laughed out for talking like we're talking now, but I don't care. I don't think that's the truth. I think we're kind of naive to think that there's maybe only one type of alien out there that came to the earth. earth. I think there's probably different types, and they've probably all got much more technology than we have at this point, and they probably dinked around with different animals, including humans and primates and all kinds of things. So I think there's more than one kind of a Bigfoot out there. You know, it's not necessarily crazy talk. I think people thought

that Bigfoot was crazy talk until 10, 15, 20 years ago, and now today it's becoming more or more accepted. But you know, you're right, you look back at even what the Samarian said, and they describe even different beings that came to this planet. And, you know, it's not too far off when you go back and you look at, like you said, the megalithical structures, you go look at historically the stuff that's still on Earth and how we can't replicate it today. It's not too far off to think we had some sort of help. Or there was someone that came down and did something. It just blows me away because it seems like it's being so covered up.

Everything's being so covered up. You talk about giants and people think you're crazy. Until you really start looking into some of this stuff and you really start researching it, you realize it's really not that crazy. It's not too far off of some of these theories people have. I wanted to switch gears with you and ask you, I had kind of a strange thing happened to me probably a month or so ago or a little bit more. You know, I always thought that people that saw the orbs were crazy.

I don't know why I felt that way. I just, I don't want to say crazy. I just had never seen anything like that, and people talked about them. And then I saw it, and we made the mistake of chasing it. And I want to warn people out there, don't chase them because they might chase you back. But when you were up and doing the Sierra sounds and up in that area, have you ever come across anything like that? Have you ever seen anything like that?

Personally, I didn't see orbs. The other guys did. They had these balls of light to actually follow them around there at night, the Johnson brothers. And they talked to Bill and I, who we went back up later on, and we didn't see, those balls didn't come around, but we've seen lights. And I don't know that I would call it an orb, but it was definitely around, but it was huge. It was more like a UFO. And there's been other things happen up there at our camp. an orb, I think, is out of our light scope.

Our eyes don't pick them up. Where a camera's light will flash from a camera. And I've experienced that at Joe Hauser's Montana Vortex. He was up there visiting him here a while back and actually took pictures of them and blew them up and you can see a definition inside the orbs. It's like there's a reason for them. They're not just a ball of light or something.

there are basically something going on in those things. It looks like, anyway. And what I looked at was like a Mayan calendars. I was so intricate. I think orbs may be a pilot ship of some type from a UFO maybe who was trying to look around because they are everywhere. You just don't see them with your eyes.

But your camera light would probably pick them up. Maybe orb was the wrong definition I used. I guess a ball of light, because we actually did see it with the naked eye. It caught our attention, and I got it on camera. It threw us off. It scared us. Well, I don't want to say scared us.

I was fascinated by it. We decided to give chase, and then they kind of decided, I guess, to chase us back, which was, it's a really weird, I'm even nervous talking about it, but it was just odd for me because it wasn't just aimlessly flying around. They were, like, being controlled, or they had a sense, you know? Yeah, they do. I think that's my guess, anyway, what they are. I think they're just like a pilot camera, sort of like a drone we might have, you know, that maybe aliens can look and see what a lot of people are doing at the same time. But they're all over these things. At least I've heard, I used to think like you did about Orbs. I didn't give them much until I witnessed these up at Joe Housers Montana, Ortex. That was just amazing. And plus there's been Bigfoot activity. up there. So something going on. And, you know, the only thing we can see

is what's in our vibrational frequency of light, and that's from zero to 106,000 miles a second. And after that, matter doesn't exist anymore. It's only energy and turns into a vibration.

So that's, I'm writing about that now, my new book, Quantum Bigfoot. I got into Einstein, I got in all these things in quantum physics, and I think this has got something to do with how these things can, because you hear reports of these things disappearing. And I gotta think there's a science behind that

unless these people are crazy and I just can't believe they're all, I've been doing this for, you know, 40 some odd years now. And I hear these, I used to just shove those people aside when I hear them talk about, they saw one disappear. But I don't do that. I don't throw anybody aside when they tell

me any of these strange things, whether it's a warps disappearing or whatever because nothing's going to surprise me in this field anymore. nothing. It's just a weird world out there and we're living in a three-dimensional world where there's a lot more dimensions and when you get above the speed of light you can get into those other dimensions but you can't see them with your naked eye. Well and I always wanted to ask you about that because I'm kind of like you now Ron and I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing

for me. That's a scary thing Wes that's a scary thing. But you know I tend to be more open and more willing to listen to I mean I've heard some crazy crazy crazy stuff, what people will consider crazy, everything from aliens to, I mean, I could tell you all sorts of things. One thing that with regard to the Sasquatch disappearing, you know, I always think, and this is my theory on it, and you could tell me, obviously I could be wrong, and you could tell me your thoughts on it. But, you know, you hear so many reports of Sasquatch doing very mundane things.

I can give you several examples, like I had a hunter one time that he. saw a Sasquatch pick up a rock, bang it against a tree, and put its ear against a tree, and listen. And it did it a few times, and then it knocked the tree over, and there was a possum inside this dead tree. It yanked the possum out, smashed it against the tree, and then ate it. But you hear them do very mundane types of things, and then sometimes you get these really off reports, these really odd reports of it just vanished. It just disappeared. And I'll ask people, well, did it drop down to all fours? I mean, tell me what you mean by it just disappeared.

Sometimes they'll say it just vanished. It was in an open field, and it just vanished. And I always wonder if people are seeing a true flesh and blood Sasquatch or if they're running into something demonic. You know, demons are known as tricksters. Demons are known for them. I mean, you read the Bible. It tells you all sorts of things to watch out for with demons.

And so when I look at that, I always wonder, are they, did they see a Sasquatch or did they see something else? I mean, have you looked into that? Have you thought about that? Oh, yeah, a lot, because I've heard the same stuff you have on different stories and going forever with it. But I don't know. I think there's good ones and there's bad ones. The only way demonic something can get into a bodily form is if that bodily form allows it because it's a spirit otherwise. is caught up in another dimension. Basically, I think when these things, if they can disappear, they've learned how to change their vibrational frequency.

And if you can learn or know the vibrational frequency of anything, you can move it or change it. And I think that's the secret to Christ's miracles too. Your thoughts can go faster than light. And once you go faster than light, anything, things change. And if you can learn the vibrational frequency of, anything, I think you can make it happen. You can change it.

You can make things alter with it. And these things somehow, and I'm still looking into all this, have learned, I think, how to, at least some of them, how to change their vibrational frequencies so they're out of our light range. And it may sound a little bit strange, but that's what I'm thinking, because you're talking about people who see a spaceship, too, or UFO, all of a sudden it shoots away so fast, And it's out of sight.

Well, did it really go out of sight or just go out of their site? It went out of their site, obviously. But we just see what's in our light range. Without light, you wouldn't see anything. Think about it. Yeah, I mean, even a blade of grass has a certain frequency. It vibrates at. So you're right.

It's interesting. I'm a student of the quantum physics, and I love that topic, too, as well. I guess I'm into a lot of different things. so I'd be interested in reading your book. When's your book come out? I hope it comes out this fall. I've been working on that this winter while I'm not out in the field. But let me give you something I just pull up on a PowerPoint program.

I'm speaking in Kenneywick, Washington here next weekend. It's the weekend of the fourth, fifth, at Tom Contrails event. And I'll be presenting this PowerPoint program there. but I get in more. I change this about every year, so sometimes twice a year, my program. As I learn things or think I've learned things, I put them in my program off of this as an idea for people. But Einstein said everything is energy. Match the frequency of the reality you want, and you cannot help but get that reality. It can be nor the way.

This is not philosophy. This is physics. I were Einstein. And that's kind of interesting. He's got another one that says this. Concerning matter, we've all been wrong. What we have called matter is energy, his vibration has been so lord as to be perceivable to the senses. There is no matter, Albert Einstein.

And what do you think about that one? It's just vibration. And it's been so lored so we can perceive it with our senses. And we've been made that way as humans. It's kind of like everything's a hologram. Yeah. Yeah, pretty much. Nothing's real, total is observed.

Now, that's pretty much the law of quantum physics. How do you get your head around that one? Nothing's real toads observed. No, it's interesting. I love that. I love quantum physics, and it's, you know, it's fascinating, and it makes you wonder, there is a lot of mysteries in this world,

and I'll be the first to say I haven't gotten it all figured out. And I think the moment you think you have everything figured out, there's always something that throws your curveball. There's always, especially even in the Bigfoot world in this whole topic, you know, there's been many times where I think, aha, I figured it out. And then next week, I realized I know nothing. Yeah, girls on or not like that. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, you've been doing this for a long time. Do you ever go back up to where you guys got the sounds?

I've tried. There's been something to keep me back each year. If it isn't something falling on my foot just the last minute and breaking my foot or my toe. It's quite a hike in there. It's been something else. There was a fire one year that had the roads blocked off to get up into that area. It didn't burn the area, though. And last time I was up, I think, was 2012 and maybe 2011.

I want to get back up this year. But now it's in California, and I live in Washington State. A lot of stuff going on here, which I want to get into. It seems like you just don't have time to do everything. And I don't anyway. I'm supposed to be retired from business, and I'm busier now and I'm ever was. Yeah. No, I'd like to take you down to Texas and experience some of the stuff going on down there

because it'll blow you away some of the things going on down there. You know, one of the things I always say on the show, and I know a lot of people have a hard time with it, I always love for a mystery to end. You know what I mean? I want a mystery to end. and I always say that and I even have a hard time saying it

but I feel like one of these things should be shot one of these Sasquatch should be shot and brought in and I've learned over probably the last couple months through insiders and people in the military have talked to that's already been done several times and people are silenced when that happens do you think we'll ever get to the mystery

of Sasquatch? Well eventually we will the downside of that is it may not be a good ending. If these things are here, what I project for. I'm not a religious person, but there's some definite prophecies, biblical prophecies and different cultures, too. They'll talk about the end times.

And why these things stay so hidden when they're obviously more dominant than us as far as size, strength, they have language, they're cognizant, everything about them is more than what we appear to be. Not more than what we are, but more than what we think we are, let's put that way. And there's a reason they stay hidden, and there's a reason they're not coming out and really allowing themselves to be known.

And I've wondered that for 40-some-odd years because these ones up in this era that I dealt with, and the last one I dealt with was in 2011. Definitely an encounter, and yet it wouldn't come out and let me see it. and it was almost, it was daytime. Tell me about that. I never heard that encounter.

Well, it's the last thing I write about, pretty much the last thing I write about in my voices in the wilderness, my book. And Scott Nelson, the cryptolinguist and I had been up there

three times that summer, about a week each time, come out and get a shower, respline, go back up, and nothing happened. He was a recorder 24-7, nothing you could definitively say was a Bigfoot anyway.

And I, after Scott had to go back to Missouri, he teaches, I still wanted to go back up and find out these things, maybe they're gone, maybe they're not up there anymore. And I had a guy going to go up there with me, and he backed out the last minute.

And so I went on up by myself, which is not, you know, really shouldn't be doing that, because a lot of things can happen, not Bigfoot-wise, but there's a lot of ways you can get hurt up there, and no help. You're way back in the wilderness. But I set up a little tent when I got to camp. I took enough food for three days. I backpacked in.

Mosquitoes were horrible. I kept trying to wait them off, but I got inside the tent and just zipped it up and started reading. It was afternoon. And all of a sudden, right outside the tent, wham, just like a big wood knock right there. It's like a gun going off. It's so loud.

And that's what they do. That's just what they do to get your attention. So I waited a few minutes, one in which I go out. I mean, he seems going to be out there, dance around the circle. What's going to happen? So I did. I went out.

The mosquitoes were so bad, so I kept trying to wave them off. And I started talking to it, because I know it was there somewhere watching me. And nothing. It wouldn't come out. And I just said, come out. And don't come back later when it's dark and try to scare me, you know. I'm by myself, of course, they knew that. Anyway, I went back in when it started getting dark.

And the little tent. Shelter was about. to crash in from the snow load from the previous winter, so I was sleeping in this little one-man tent. At 10 o'clock that night, by the way, I'd back up a little bit. I had my little recorder going with brand-new lithium batteries, which I checked out earlier after that wood knock. Everything was fine, I thought. Ten o'clock, I heard this chatter going on. It's a Bigfoot chatter. And I'll start funneling my tape recorder trying to turn it on and get it record. The same time something banged a barrel right outside my tent those old barrels we took up years ago

which aren't there now but it hit it and started i heard it walking around bipedal like a two-legged elephant and it was just and i started yelling at it i said uh sounds silly you're by yourself but it's not silly at all when you're there by yourself and uh i didn't have a high-powered weapon with me i I think I had a little 22 or a little 38 with birdshot. I'm not sure which. Anyway, I kept listening to it, and I think, in retrospect, I think it was looking for food, because they like our food, they like what we leave for them. But come right up to the tent right next to me.

I heard breathing, and I was just frozen. I got to tell you, it's a little petrifying. No matter how much you try to control your fear, you still, still a little anxiety there absolutely and all of a sudden I didn't hear it anymore whatever it was just gone

I didn't hear it walk away but it was gone and that was it until 4 o'clock more by the way I didn't sleep much that night needless to say but 4 o'clock that morning I heard this electronic sound I can't even identify it orally but it's it's like

electrical sounds right outside my tent and that's all that's all that happened and it answered my question my question was are they still around up there and so I got up the next morning and I just packed up and left so my question got answered but I want to go back because I think I'm going to try to talk them into letting me know some more things

because I know they know me and at least the same family group knows me and they're not intimidated by anybody I don't think but there's a reason they're staying so hidden back from people and they know I'm not going to shoot at them that's not my aura and I'm sure they know what that is there's things you can do to

to entice them I think and that's what I want to do I want to stay up there as much as I can if I can get up there this summer and see if I can get a little more data yeah no I'd love to I'd love to see that area this whole topic fascinates me there's so many mysteries

in the world. And I always enjoy talking with you, Ron. And I hope you come back when your book comes out. Sure. Just ask me. Yeah, absolutely. Well, Ron Moorhead, the author of Voices of the Wilderness, check out Ronmorehead.com. I love the Sierra Sounds. Ron, thank you for letting me use them when I do retellings of historical accounts. It adds to the story when you're telling them. So thank you for letting me use them. Thank you, Wes, for asking me. And I don't want anyone to underask me what these things could be, just as the last little note here, they better keep their guard up. Some of them are good, some of them are bad, someone try to play with you, and some of them might try to eat you, so just keep your guard up. We as humans, got to understand who we are as humans, how important

we are and how special we are as humans. We are dominant on this earth. They cannot, even though they appear to be more, we are the dominant species, and you can command them to leave, and they'll leave. I appreciate you being on, sir. Thanks, Wes. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had a encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, hopefully my voice will be back on the next show. I look forward to seeing you guys next time. Thanks for being here tonight. Have a great night, everyone. Wagering Week is your antidote. I'm Tom Barton and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports

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