Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:198 I know what I saw!

Episode Date: March 6, 2016

I welcome Ronnie to the show, and Ronnie writes, "I came from the city and moved in with my mother in law who lived out in the country. In this area of Washington State it is very remote. One night I heard a creature breathing outside of my window. I assumed it was a bear until it walked past the window. It walked over to my mother in laws window which was next to mine. My mother in law snores like a chainsaw at night and the creature mimicked her snoring as I went to the window to get a look at this thing the floor creaked. The creature turned and looked at me and growled. It was huge, the largest thing I have ever seen. I fell backwards and stayed in the corner of the room until the sun came up. Looking back now I know this thing was around the property, I would go out to feed the horses and the horses would be acting strange and I had a weird sense I was being watched. At night I would watch TV and always felt like something was watching me. I started closing the shades on the windows. After my encounter I know what it was and I moved out within 48 hours. I am telling you Wes this thing looked like a gorilla on steroids standing straight up"

I did quote other insurance companies more so for the rate comparison. When we would get quotes from other companies, some companies wouldn't even give us a rate. They would say, you got USAA, we can't beat them. You know how much you could say with USAA? Never paid for their participation. 5-5-4-4-3-2-1. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and they wouldn't have done about it.

This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Easy now, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. A place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Episode 198, gosh, we're almost at 200. You know, for episode 200, I've been trying to think about what should I do for episode 200.

Some people have suggested having this quote-unquote Bigfoot researcher on or this Bigfoot expert on. And to be honest with you, I'm not really interested in talking to Bigfoot experts. I just don't find them very interesting. And so I've been kind of throwing around ideas for what to do for episodes. episode 200. I know there's a website called Omigo, and you can go on there, you can talk to fans, you can chat with fans, and I thought about doing something like that for episode 200. Just talking to you, I'd rather talk to you guys, to be honest with you, than have some big name on the show. I guess it's just kind of the way of a role, but I honestly would rather talk to you guys.

But if you have an idea for episode 200, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I had to kind of laugh. I was in the story the other day, and I'll give this kid a shout out. I don't even know his name. But I was walking past this kid, and he had an iPhone, he had his headphones in.

And as I'm walking past him, I recognize the intro. I could hear the intro through his headphones of the show. And so I asked him, I said, what are you listening to? And he said, oh, Sasquatch Chronicles, it's a pretty cool Bigfoot show. They have witnesses on.

you should check it out if you get a chance. And I just kind of laughed. I just said, okay, well, I'll check it out. So if you're out there listening, thanks for listening to the show. I appreciate it. I had kind of a good laugh when I walked off. Thank you again for listening to the show. And thank you guys for listening to this show.

You guys are a huge part of the show. And I really do appreciate you guys listening. Tonight's going to be an interesting night. I'm going to be inviting Ronnie to the show. and Ronnie had a very fascinating encounter when he was out. He moved out to the woods here in Washington State to help his mother-in-law. And his encounter, the night of his encounter, changes life. And it's a very, very interesting encounter.

I'm also going to be welcoming Waylon to the show. Wayland is one of my favorite researchers down there with Bob Garrett in East Texas. He's one of the drone pilots down there. and Whalen gives us an update. They went to an area that the guys down there called Monkey Pond. I don't know what the real name of the place is called, but I know all the guys down there called Monkey Pond. And when I was down there, to be honest with you,

I had experiences in that area. And so I'm literally looking forward to the update, looking forward to what Wayland has to say. If you get a chance to check out the website. Again, it's Sasquatch Chronicles.com. shoot me an email if you've had an encounter. Again, it's Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight.

Ronnie, welcome to the show. Thank you for being here tonight. Thank you. Thank you very much. I was very interested in your encounter. I know what happened here in Washington State back in the early 90s. Yeah. But we kind of start from the beginning on this property and tell us, you know, kind of tell us what you experienced.

Well, I had gone out to, from Los Angeles, California, out there to help my mother-in-law. She had 30-plus acres and a couple of horses. And this is a nice little two-story house. Right off, they have a dam out there. I can't think of the name of the dam right now, but we were about maybe half a mile north of the dam just off of a river. Maybe river was 40 yards off to the east of us. and, well, I was, the night it happened, I was asleep. I was totally asleep. And what caught my attention while I was sleeping was, I started feeling a trembling. The house was shaking. I didn't know if there were earthquakes in Washington, but here in California, we have earthquake. So if I feel

any kind of jolt, I'm going to take notice. I don't care. care if it's a huge truck coming down the street or not. I'm going to take some notice. So as I'm sleeping, the house is shaking, and I don't know, in my subconscious, I'm thinking, what's going on here? Why is the house shaking? Are we getting ready to have an earthquake? So I'm coming around a little bit, getting concerned, like getting prepared, and I fill it again. the house shakes again and I'm, wow, this is, because we're out in the middle of nowhere, basically. And this goes on a couple of more times. Now I'm waking up. I'm saying, okay, wake yourself up, get ready for this, get ready to get under the doorway, whatever emergency step you need to take.

I'm living with my mother-in-law. She has a Doberman also. She stays downstairs. I'm upstairs. I'm upstairs. I'm at the 12 o'clock. My room, I have a window that's about 12 o'clock. Her window the two o'clock just under me as i'm coming out of it i hear a breathing heavy breathing and i'm laying there and i sleep with my firearm so um i'm thinking now not an earthquake something is by the house so i i come out of my sleep and i'm listening and i'm listening to me now. I'm paying attention laying on my back, and I'm paying attention, but it doesn't sound like a person breathing. It sounds like game, like big game. I'm thinking bear, moose. That's what they have out there. I've never been out there before. I've never been that rural before,

and I feel it. I hear it, actually. It's moving, but the way that it's moving, it's not moving. It's not making a sound like a bearwood. It's not dragging, and it's not breathing like that. So I'm thinking, what the hell? Maybe one of the horses got out of the stable. Let me get up and take a look and see. Before I even get up to take a look and see, it gets right up under my window. And I'm listening to the breathing now, and I'm saying, this is not the horses.

This isn't the, it must be a bear. now I'm alert, very alert, and I can hear my mother-in-law snoring. She snores like a lumberjack. The third time she let off a set of snores, something else snored right after she did it. At that point, I kind of freaked out a little bit, the hair on my arms, I was alert. My whole body, all the hair was standing straight up, and my heart's raised. and I'm thinking bears don't do this. There's, what the hell?

So I crawl, instead of getting out of my bed, you know how you regularly get out of the bed, the sideways. I go down to the foot of the bed. I get out because whatever it is is right under my head. It sounds like it's just right under my head. When I get out of the bed and I go to take steps to my window to look, something says like somebody's in the room with me. I just hear a voice that says,

you don't want to see. You don't go. Don't go. Clearly. And I got my firearm. I shrugged it off as soon as I heard it. No sooner than I heard it, I shrugged it off. I went to the window, and I looked down, and I'm looking around,

and I don't see anything, and I look towards my mother-in-law's window, and I say, shit, when do we get a tree there? We don't have a tree here, and I'm looking again, and I'm looking again, and I don't see anything. And I'm noticing the tree has a form. And it looks like it's like it's up against the wall being arrested, but it's looking down in her window. And it's snoring like her, mimicking her. And my jaw drops because as a young child, I've read the books.

I've seen the movies. I was into cryptozoology, oceanography. I phased out of it because I've, God that this stuff was never going to go anywhere. They're not going to tell us anything. So I'm looking at this thing. Immediately, I know what it is. But I can't believe what I'm looking at.

And this thing, I mean, I've heard people say they were 10 feet away from this thing. Well, I was 8 feet away from this damn thing. It was huge. If it wanted, it could have came to my window and put its hands, its fingertips. on my windowsill. As I'm looking, I want to get a better look. So I go to take a step into the window more, and the floor makes this creaking sound.

And this thing turns, and it looks right up at me. I'm looking at it, but I can't, I can see the form. And I'm trying to see, because I'm looking right in, I'm thinking I'm looking right in its eyes. it went from black a black silhouette to all I saw was white. It had opened its mouth and let out. I don't know if it was a purr or growl. It was so smooth.

It wasn't rough. It was smooth. Low, very smooth and heavy. And it knocked. I fell backwards. While I'm down on my butt, I'm backing into a corner. because I think I'm discombobulated. I'm saying no, no, no, no way.

But it's there. And all I can say is no. No. No, you're not seeing this. No. This is something out of a book. This is, you know, I'm not the person to see this. I backed into a corner.

I couldn't look at that window anymore. I was afraid to look at the window. I was afraid to breathe and I kept trying to be calm but my heart wouldn't stop it was like my heart was like in an amplifier

and I can hear it all the way through the house it was just it wouldn't stop I don't know where my gun was I think I dropped it on the floor when I fell back it was the last because I didn't think that was going to do anything and I kept saying please please don't let this thing get in the house because I don't know what I'm going to do.

I don't think I can do anything. I'm talking to myself. I'm trying to reason with myself at the same time. This is what I just saw. It's not a dream, and I thought I'm going crazy. This is crazy. I didn't hear anything else after I backed away into that corner. I couldn't hear anything.

I didn't see anything anymore. And I remember say to myself, just stay up. It'll be sunlight in a few more hours. And then I'll go out and I'll see what's going on here. I remember finally passing out that morning. I think it was about 7 o'clock in the morning. I passed out. I felt safer with the sun being up for some strange reason.

You know, people are scared of the dark, so you feel a lot safer in the light. When I got up that morning, I was so exhausted that, and my mind was just running in circles about what just happened. And should I tell my mother-in-law this, I mean, I was praying this thing didn't, should I go downstairs and wake up? I didn't know what to do. Now, we have a Doberman. I didn't hear that Doberman. I didn't hear the Doberman at all. So, you know, in 48 hours, I was out of that place. I went to work later that day. One of my coworkers, he was just like, you don't look the same.

At that time, I was doing customer service on the phone. I couldn't talk to anybody. I ended up leaving early that day from work, but a coworker noticed that I guess I was a little razzled, and I explained to him that I wasn't happy staying out there on that farm. And he had an extra room. And in 48 hours, I was off of that property. Now, when I left that property, I got back into my regular routine again. I put all of this on the back of my mind, on the back burner.

I didn't like sleeping after this either. It was hard to sleep, so I would just stay up until I passed out. because when I was first going to sleep, all I was seeing was this image over and over and over. And I don't know if you've ever been sleep before. And then it's like you've just had the daylight scared out of you, but you're sleep. And you're just kind of freaking out, panicking. That's how I was going to sleep. I would wake up in cold sweats.

My ex-wife was telling me why. She would ask me, why are you gritting your teeth? And I didn't understand why I just didn't want to see that again when I closed my eyes. It took about 20-something years for it to come back around. I found your show one night. I was doing some investigating on the Internet, and I found your show. And I listened, and I was listening to some of the people. And I said, oh, my gosh, that sounds.

like something that happened to me. That's what it did to me. And so I continued to listen for a year or so. And I just, I would hear story after story of something that kind of pertained to me. And I just said, wow, wow. I know how these people feel. I started talking about it a little bit with my ex-wife, my mother-in-law. I explained she laughed at me.

Oh, no, stop it. you're just dreaming or you're just, you know, jealous. And I was serious, but, you know, I didn't take it to heart when they laughed at me. And because I know what I saw before I saw what I saw, I always knew they existed. Now, I didn't think they were that damn big. Like I said, we didn't have a tree there. That thing was big. It looked like a tree.

They're huge. These things are huge. I wanted to ask you, how big would you say it was? Oh, my gosh. That thing had to be eight plus feet tall, eight and a half feet tall, because it had to stoop down to look into her window. And with the way that the arms were positioned, like as if a police officer actually to put your hands against the wall, its arms were at the elbow, probably a foot and a half, two feet above the top of the window sill. It's interesting. You mentioned the mimicking. I had a hunter one time tell me he woke up. He didn't want to come on the show because he didn't actually see it.

But he woke up in the middle of night and he told me he snores like it. It's like a chainsaw. And he's well aware of it. And when he woke up in the middle of the night, he heard it sounded like a huge creature snoring towards him. Yeah. And he didn't know what to make of it. He really had no clue what to make of it.

It wasn't like any other animal he heard. No. It's almost like it was kind of copping him snoring, and it really threw this guy off. Yes, yeah. How long were you in this property before this happened? I was on, and here's the funny part. I was on this property probably going on maybe six or seven months. I told you we had horses.

I didn't understand until later on. There were several instances where I went to feed the horses. The horses are probably, I'll say 75 yards out away from the house. As I'm going to feed, I remember the first time I did it. I was going out. It was probably 6.30-ish in the evening. And we have a long driveway. Our driveway is probably, I don't know, 120.

20 yards long. So I'm going up this driveway to the stable to feed the horses. I get about 20 yards and that same voice that I heard that night when I looked out the window, it said, don't go. Go back. Out of nowhere. The hair on my arm stood up again. I freaked out. This is all before I even had the experience with the creature looking out the damn window. I couldn't figure it up. I turned around and I went back and I said, okay, I'll feed the horses in the morning. I don't know why I listened to that instinct, but I did. On the way back, I'm looking like, why would, you know, something tell me that.

I'm looking around. I don't see anything, so I go back in the house. A few days later, I go back out again to feed the horses. And I out, like I said, I always carry my firearm with me. I'm doing it again, and I hear the voice again. And I've never had this happen to me so many times in a row before. I mean, I've been at some sticky situations before growing up in South Central L.A. This was up there with them.

It's a sick feeling, a queasy feeling, but you don't see or you don't hear. I don't see or I don't hear anything. and I just, I listened to the sound in my head, and I turn and I went back in the house. Now I'm in the house, and I'm watching television. The house has about 180 degree angle with nothing but glass. We always keep the curtains open. Since I've been there, we kept the curtains open. I've never had any reason to close the curtains or to feel uncomfortable.

I had been watching TV a few times in the living room downstairs, and I had gotten the most uncomfortable feeling. I know what it feels like when someone's staring at you, and that's what it felt like, but I couldn't see anything. And I had this happen to me, I don't know, maybe a dozen times, and I started closing the curtains. but there's still a window in the kitchen that there's like, I don't know, about maybe 10 feet long and about 4 feet high. I felt like I was still being watched. I could never figure it out until I started talking about this with my ex-wife. And she said, I believe that thing was watching you. and I said, you know what, you're probably right.

That's why I felt the way that I felt and I couldn't explain it. It all continued until that night, and I actually saw this thing, and I couldn't see the eyes. The face was like a flat, shiny leather or vinyl. I couldn't see any ears. I could see the fingers. I could see the legs. I could see the whole body, everything but the eyes and the nose. And it was right there.

And then when it opened its mouth to let out that sound, all I saw was white. I mean, the mouth on that damn thing. It could have bit my arm off. I don't. That thing was huge. huge. I feel very lucky that I guess I made it that far. Because I say to myself, what would have happened had I bypass those voices and gone to feed the horses? I hear about these rural disappearances now. And I say, wow, I could have been one of those statistics.

Was it kind of your gut talking to you? Yeah. It was. It was. And I know what it sounds like when my gut tells me something. And when your conscious tells you something, you know, it's a little different. Yeah, and I've experienced that, too. I mean, I've been out hunting and, you know, kind of had that little voice on your shoulder telling you there's something around and all of a cougar pops out. You know, I think it's something within us to kind of protect us. It's good to listen to that voice. You know, it's good to your gut is usually right. Usually never go wrong listening to your gut because it'll tell you. You got that right. You probably knew walking out feeding those horses that it was really close by.

Did your mother-in-law, did she ever experience anything further on that property after you left? I asked her and she didn't. She said, no. She said, oh, you're just that hogwash, basically. And, you know, she's kind of a... a mountain woman herself, and that's why she picked that area because she lived in a nice place out in San Fernando Valley. You know, she's in Tarzana, and she left from Tarzana, you know, to a ranch to raise horses.

She's kind of a mountain woman, you know. Doesn't really need a guy. She can go out and milk and do everything, you know, throw the hay around herself. But I just figured I'd go and give her a hand and, you know, That's what I get. Yeah, that was an experience. I would say of a lifetime. I would never want to do that again.

I would never want to go through that again. And I don't know how people say that, oh, I was in my tent and I heard it go by, and I'm just going to stay. I'm gone as soon as I can get a bar. break. As soon as I get a lane to get out of there, it took me 48 hours. I was out of that place. And I slept on the floor, mind you, for those two days. I didn't sleep in my bed because I just didn't feel comfortable. I slept in a corner for two days. Yeah, no, I hear you. I hear you. And I always one or two people like your mother-in-law, if kind of ignorance is bliss. You know, I've talked to some of

those folks that live way out like that and they're pretty they tend to brush things off they they don't really want nothing i don't know if it's that they don't want to know it exists i don't know what it is but sometimes with those people especially older folk uh older yeah they um you know they they tend not to want to because i guarantee that wasn't the first time that creature came up to that window it's you know when like that you know it's it's a great possibility i i'd I hear people say they pass through areas and such. I don't know, but while I think you're right, yeah, I'm so glad I left that place. And, you know, a few months after that, she ended up getting the place a little bit further up north in Stevens County.

And I did go back there. I helped her move there because it was more of a, like, I guess, a little community. the houses were kind of close-knit together, but I'll never go back to that nine-mile fall ranch again. Oh, my gosh. Well, that would have scared me. That whole thing would have scared me. I talk about it now.

It's a lot easier to talk about it. Before then, I just, I had no one to discuss it with. And I kind of, like I said, I was having sleeping issues. So me and my ex-wife, we went for counseling to see what's going on. And finally I broke down and I told her, you know, this is, this is something that I think could be why. And when I explained to them, they were like, well, that just sounds like a bad nightmare. And, you know, think of pleasant things before you go to sleep. And I'm like, yeah, good luck with that. You didn't see what I saw. You didn't have the experience I had. So it's easier

said than done. And like I said, I just wanted to black out. I didn't want to dream when I went to sleep. I didn't want to dream because all I could see was that over and over and over again. And I would just sit up. I would go to work tired. I started, you know, sleep deprivation. I'm not hungry. It took a toll on me for what I saw and cut away with. They, but yeah, that thing was huge, sick. I couldn't believe it. And I would never, ever, if I was walking through the forest, think to look that high up, to look up like that.

I thought they were, you know, people say, oh, they look like a man. So I'm looking for something, you know, five, six feet tall, you know, if I am looking. And, you know, if I, and when I, I thought I was being looked at through the windows. Someone was staring at me. If I did look at it, I was probably, if I, you know, was looking that way, could only see a stomach but didn't even know because it's pitch black out there. So, you know, I'm just, I'm just dumbfounded by the size of these things. It was amazing.

Yeah, it is amazing to see firsthand. And PTSD is pretty common. I'm sure you said you've been listening to the show. And one thing I'm sure that you pick up on really quick, Ronnie, is that PTSD is real. A lot of people suffer from it. And even a lot of times when you don't have really an aggressive encounter, you know, where you don't feel like it's, you just see it like roadside crossings. You'd be surprised.

Even a lot of those people still have PTSD from it. You know, I've talked to many witnesses where they're in their car, they see it across the road and then they can't sleep for eight months. You know, there's sleep patterns. And I, and I think it's really when you see something so out of your range of what you know, it's so out there. You know, it's like, I'm sure you went through this because I went through it and a lot of other witnesses did, but you start to second guess yourself. You're like, God, am I going, did I go crazy? Am I, uh, was I dreaming? And then you, you know the real answer is no. You weren't dreaming and no, you're not going crazy.

Of course. But deep down, you try to find an answer for it. You know, it almost feels better to go, I must have been dreaming. Yeah. Because that night, all I kept, I was battling. No, no, no, hell no. I know I didn't just see what I saw, but I know I saw it. I think for, I don't know, maybe about 30 to 40 minutes, all I can say was now, no.

No. No. How was a creature proportion? Was it proportion like a man or like a gorilla? Or how would you describe it? It had a barrel chest. The legs were long, thick. I don't know.

They had to be like, I've seen 24-inch guns on dudes in my neighborhood. So these legs, I mean, these legs had to have. to be 48, I don't know, 50, they were sick legs. The arms were sick. The arms were, when it turned to look at me, it did turn its upper body, not its lower body. The lower body was still facing my mother-in-law's window. It just turned at the hips and looked up. The arms, when it did that came down and the left arm was down by the knee the left knee i would say maybe i don't know uh about a maybe a foot past the left knee it was it was like like crouching a little like not crouched but stooped a quarter stoop the hair there there was no neck it was just a head a body arms and

legs and the hair I would say probably three, four inches long. I could see the hair on it. On the face, I didn't see any hair. Like I said, it looked like a flat black vinyl. I would say it looked more like a gorilla, a huge gorilla. It didn't look like a man. It didn't look like a man at all. it looked like a huge gorilla. Like, I don't know, an eight-foot-tall gorilla. And they're kind of, I always say they're kind of proportioned like a cartoon. Just everything. That's what it looked like.

When the hand came down, the left hand, the hand was actually, like, not with the palm out, but the palm back. It looked like something out of Scooby-2. I don't, yeah, it looked like something out of Scooby-Doo or something. One of the characters, how they, like, slouch over. And they have this pose. The knees were bent. The left arm was down at its side, but the palm was up, not out. The right side, I couldn't really see too much because the way it had turned itself, it was like a 180. It did a 180. and so I couldn't see that that whole right side. It was huge.

Some of the word I can describe was huge. Intimidating. If it wanted to come in the house, I think it would have had the grip, like the doorway open some. I don't think it was going to come in that doorway without tearing the doorway up. Yeah.

That was my way of, I guess, rationalizing that night. That thing is too big to come in. come in here. It's too big. I mean, if it wanted to come in, it can come in, but it's going to have to tear that doorway up to get in here. Yeah, and a lot of people listening, they don't realize how terrifying it is to see something that big. I mean, gosh, I've come across guys that were 6-8, 6-9, very, very large men, very intimidating. But they're like school girls compared to these creatures. I mean, there's no comparison, zero comparison. And it's really, it's very, very hard to explain to someone the fear of, I'm sure a million things are racing through your mind, everything from, you know, if this saying wanted to come in here, there's really nothing I can do about it.

There's really absolutely, I can empty my eight rounds into this thing, and it's probably just going to piss it off. Basically, yeah. It's interesting. I mean, they drop in the gun. I mean, I try and not talk too much about my encounter because I'll make it about the guess, but you do. You forget. have a freaking gun in your hand or it's the last oh my gosh it seems like the last thing I was worried about yeah it doesn't it seem like it would be the first thing on your mind like keep this weapon on me and

but he go oh of course yeah you go into this weird weird thing where it's like you tend to even for you even had a gun you know I mean it's kind of like well listening yeah I used to bow hunt with my my dad and we would you know

aunt uh buck up in the hills out here and uh San Dimas, and there was one time I'd first gone hunting, I was an amateur, and we were all honey, and he had placed me on the side of a trail and told me sit still, you know, and he's going to go over another little slope there and sit still and wait for something to come down on the trail. I've never done this before.

So I'm sitting down in some bushes. It's, I don't know, 4.30 in the morning. I'm not used to this, but I'm giving it a try. And I remember something coming up that hill. I've never seen a deer close up. I've never seen really many animals other than a dog and cat close up. So as this deer is coming up the trail, I'm freaking out. And I'm thinking, I don't want to shoot this thing.

And it's too close. And I ended up anyway dropping my bow and leaving my position and running. I never got scolded so bad, though. And then my mom, when I got home, she just, she's like, you know, your dad told me what she did. And you're never supposed to drop your weapon when you're out there. That's, you know, what saves your life, you know. That's, you know, your lifesaver. That always stayed on my mind.

And I couldn't believe I dropped it again, but I didn't care at that point. I just, I was dumbfounded, you know, and really that firearm was the last thing I was thinking about. The only thing I could think was I just don't want this thing to come in here. If this thing comes in here, it's all over. I'll do the best I can, but it won't be much. I mean, I'm scared, but I've been in situations for my life. I'll fight. I'll fight.

But, wow, there was nothing I could do. Yeah. There was nothing I could do. Yeah, and don't feel too bad about... Yeah, and don't feel too bad about dropping your gun. I mean, your whole frame of reference just got blown up. You know, it's your... Everything you thought was real and wasn't.

wasn't real, just got thrown out the window. And so a lot of people do go in shock. I mean, I've talked to some very, very experienced hunters that have been sitting in tree stands and have seen them and just kind of sit there in a weird, frozen state of shock for hours, even after the creature's already left. And they'll get down and say, I just, I was too scared. I didn't even realize I had my gun on me, my rifle on me. And so, I mean, it's, it really does blow your frame of reference out of the water when you see these sayings, and it's terrifying.

Even if they aren't aggressive, they're terrifying because of their size. You realize there's absolutely nothing. You're at their mercy. If they want you, they're going to get you, and there's really nothing you can do about it. That's, I can, I can believe that. And then, you know, to these, I hear they like being by lakes. and rivers were there, there's a lake not too far from us, maybe, I don't know, a couple of miles to the west of us, just under Stevens County there. And then we had the dam there that runs into, you know, Spokane, downtown Spokane. So I don't know. I guess it could have been following that.

But it did show up that night. And, yeah, I'm good. I'm good for the rest of my life. that was, that was something. That was something to behold. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. Well, Ronnie, I can't think enough for coming on the show and listening to the show. It does help to kind of hear other people tell their encounters, doesn't it? It does a lot.

Believe it, it's been therapy for me. I don't feel singled out now alone. I don't feel like I have to stay isolated in myself and can't share this with anyone. Yeah, it helps me a lot. Yeah, I just, because I felt like a turn to punch bowl. I had no one to talk to. Well, I appreciate it. I appreciate coming on and sharing it.

Hopefully your encounter will help someone else. And it's like I always say these things are out there. It's, you know, some people think this is entertainment, but it's really not. These things are out there, and people need to be aware of it because you never know what they're going to do. You never know their intentions. The one you ran into, who knows what it was doing. Maybe it was coming up, looking for entertainment, just seeing what was going on in the house. It may not have really been any sort of aggression, but that's neither here nor there.

People need to know that these things are out there. And I can't thank you enough for coming on. and sharing it with the audience, Ronnie, very much. Thank you. Well, thank you, Wes. I greatly appreciate it, and thanks for listening to me. I greatly appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Thank you for being on. And let's go to East Texas with one of her favorite researchers, Waylon. Waylon, thanks for coming on tonight.

Oh, pleasure to be here, as always, West. I appreciate you having me on. And I was pretty interested in the encounter you guys had the other night, But as I was telling you, I mean, I had my own experiences out there and what the boys down in Texas called Monkey Pond. But if you would, kind of just tell us what happened when you guys were out there. Well, Bob and Tim and I got out there about two starting in the afternoon. And you know what this place is. It's pretty much in the middle of nowhere.

It's actually pretty difficult or it can be difficult to get into if there's been any rain. We haven't had a lot of significant rainfall, but we didn't end up encountering a little bit of mud. It's behind a lock gate. You have to have a pass from the Forest Service to actually access the area. So we got the pass, and the gate is a combination locking. We opened a lock and drove down in there, and once you get through the gate, it's another mile and a half actually down to the campground. where the pond is.

There are two campgrounds there. It's pretty much primitive camping. There's no facilities at all. Nothing else. It's just trees in a pond, and there's a little run-down boat dock or a fishing pier that kind of goes out into the lake, and that's it. The Bonesar Trail actually comes in on the northwest side,

comes into that area, and then it goes through and continues on. And that area of the trail is very rarely used. It's barely even navigable anymore. They still keep the markers up, but the trail itself is actually pretty overgrown in that spot. And it's always been a hot spot for the group. Honestly, like I said, you've been there. I think Shannon and your girlfriend were there with Brandon, I think. I'll tell you what happened to us real quick, for you.

Tell us what happened to you. I know Bob Garrett and Tim Sermans, Mo, all those guys. That was the first night. We were out there. And we went to, you know, the guys called Monkey Pond. I don't know what the real name of it is. But when we were down there, and that's what threw me off when I heard what happened to you guys. It was Brandon, Garrett, Bob's son, Shannon and my girlfriend.

We heard, the only way you can describe it, it sounded very female-like, and it sounded pissed and this thing was going off. I mean, when I say going off, this thing was going off. And I remember I was looking at everyone else in the group and I was like, we should probably head back to camp because I was thinking, Jesus, if we run into this thing, we're in trouble. I mean, it sounded like a female Sasquatch just pissed off. And it went on for like 20 minutes. I mean, this creature went off for like 20 minutes. My eyes were cartoon size and I was there. and, you know, I was kind of worried. At first I was worried about the wild hogs.

You know, I had this fear of running into wild hogs down there because I've heard so many bad things about them, and everything went out the window. I mean, I wasn't worried about anything but running into this thing. But I don't mean to take up the time. What happened to you guys when you were down there? Well, we got there and kind of did a walk around back to the north. There's another small pond there.

There's an old cattle corral there, an old cattle pin with a loading shoot that's all run down. And there's a kind of an easement that goes through for fence work. And so we kind of walk down that. We look for in trackways that we could find, just kind of get in the lay of land a little bit, because I had never been there before. This is my first time out. Right about, I guess probably around 3.30 in the afternoon,

the weird thing was that all of this shooting started around us. and the shooting did not stop until dark. It sounded like a gun range. There were pistol shots, shotgun sounds going off, what sounded to me, you know, being in the Marine Corps for so long, I know what 5, 5,56 sounds like. So there was a lot of, what was probably AR, fire going on, and it was just constant.

Tim had ended up leaving at about 4 o'clock. He had to get home. And so that just left biop. Bob and I there, and we got in there. I have my old venerable Hummer H-2, I called the Bigfoot buggy. So using it, I was able to get into that area, even though it's pretty soggy. And there's only one road going into the campsite that we were at. There's no way out.

Once you go down that road and you park in that camp spot, there's really no going anywhere else unless you want to go into 25 or 30,000 acres of nothing. which would be to the northwest. So we parked there. We backed in with the nose of the truck pointing back down the road so we could get out quick if we needed to. We didn't really have much of a can fire. I hadn't eaten, so I did start a small fire, and I had basically some MRE-like food, boiling the bag, chicken and rice that I threw on. And I boiled some water and cooked that, and then I put the fire out.

and I'll say the shooting kept going pretty much nonstop. Also, there was sound of someone driving up and down the road about a mile and a half away with the radio playing really, really loud. They just kept going back and forth up and down the radio, up and down the road. And again, this is private access here. Nobody's supposed to be back there, but us. We're the only ones that had a permit, and there was nobody else in the campground. Had dark, all of that ceased.

and then we started to get vocals of the females. And there was more than one, and the vocals that they were making was just a really long woo sound, you know, just woo-oo-woo, really long, really loud, really powerful. And that is, according to Bob, that is females in distress. So when they cut loose, making those sounds, which would have been to the west of us, shortly thereafter from the east we started hearing returns. And they were different, almost more like that, you know, the kind of thing that everybody gets on the Ohio moan, I guess, is what they call it.

We got vocals that were like that, and pretty much Bob said, well, there's the males responding. If the females are in distress, the males are in distress. So the guys are basically coming back to see what's going on. About 30 minutes later, it's nice and dark by this time. Bob and I are just sitting by the truck. We have the microphone out. Bob has this recorder out. We do have his night vision.

And from down the trail back toward the north, down the edge of the pond, we got a really heavy stop, really, really heavy thud on the pine needles, which, you know, Bob will tell you that's a, basically it's posturing. It's a challenge. They want to see how you're going to react. We didn't really get any vocals to that point. It got really quiet, but we did start to hear some movement behind us. And it was really subtle, you know, just that subtle sound of, you know,

a stick breaking every now and then or just kind of something moving through the brush. I don't know if that was a Sasquatch or not. at that point, but when we heard the thud and saw nothing down the trail, that kind of thought, okay, well, maybe there's one there. He came in, he's checking out what's going on. So we sat and we sat, we didn't hear anything. We had heard some alcohols in broad daylight. We had heard some barred alcohols, no chatter, no laughter, none of the monkey talk or anything

else. But we did hear some barred alcohols earlier in the day when the sun was still over. which is a little odd for this region. And then I picked up what Bob actually thought. He was like, was that your stomach? And I'm like, no. It was actually from the other side of the truck, say we were probably 50 feet from the tree line

where we were sitting and we were sitting by the lake. He was like, was that your stomach? And I said, no, that was not my stomach. and it was a nice long, guttural sound. So at that point, basically, I turned my Q-beam on, and I start looking at the tree line back there. Now, when you say Q-beam, explain to the audience what that means. It's basically just a handheld LED light.

It's a three-lamp LED. I think I want to say this one's probably 16, around 16. 1600 lumens, so it's bright. It'll light up, you know, 100 yards easily in any direction. Some kind of scan of the tree line looking back down the trail, and immediately, as soon as I turned that light on, the lake is probably around 100 yards wide, maybe a little wider at one point.

Across from us, not the campsite that's on the opposite side of the lake, but where the road comes in, we heard this really heavy splash. And what it was was a log being thrown into the water. And immediately Bob threw the night vision up. He looked for a second and basically said, we got to go. We got to go. Did everything.

We got to get out here. We got to go. And I said, what are you seeing? He said, there's five. He said, they're five. They're standing right next to each other on the opposite bank by the road, watching us. So at that point, we started getting everything together. We had, we traveled pretty light. We threw everything in the truck. We took the microphones down off the trees, packed up the

recorder, and we got in the truck, and we, we hightailed it out of there. And we were scared. Bob will tell you, he was scared. He said, five of them together like that, he said they, they looked like males, just from the way that they carried themselves in the girth. they probably thought that we were the ones down there doing all the shooting and distressed on the females. They threw the log in the lake to see how we were going to respond, I guess, to see if we were going to start shooting at them is the only thing that I can think of. But, yeah, basically he said they were standing there like a street gang. And I haven't seen Bob that nervous so far.

but when Bob Garrett is uneasy, you should probably be uneasy, so I became uneasy at that point. Even with a tactical shotgun, loaded with a double-alt buck, 15 rounds with double-a-buck, I was starting to get concerned as well. So I said if Bob says we need to go, we need to go, and so we did. We had to pass by right where they were standing, but when we drove by, they weren't there. our fear was that they may try to cut us off from getting back across that causeway if they pushed a tree down or through a log across that narrow road there as muddy as it was there's no way to go around it without either going down a 30-foot embankment into the water or on the backside or going down into the water so it kind of threading away through there and then we had to make it back up to the main road and we had to open the gate so i got out and opened the gate bob got out and covered me and then I pulled the truck through and then I got out and covered him

while he closed and walked the gate back behind us in case they came up behind us and we got out of here. So it was a pretty interesting night. I was the second time in a month that I've been run out of the woods by fast watch and I'm starting to be a little tired of it but I'm sure it won't be the last time.

Well, like I always said, you know, you and I were talking about Bob's nervous, that's a good time for you to probably be nervous because I've seen the guy in action. There's not much that shakes them up. And you're right. It makes you wonder if they were going off because of the gunfire. I can tell one thing I can tell you when I was there, that was the first night I was in Texas.

And we went down to Monkey Pond. It sounded like a female demon just screaming her lungs off and just going off. And so, you know, I know they're in the area. we could hear them from different directions when we were there. I got to send you guys my damn camera so you guys can record the audio and the video when you guys see stuff like that. You know, I realize it probably wasn't the first thing on your guys's mind.

Hey, let's get evidence of us. It was probably more or less, like you said, a street gang time to go. You know? Yeah, we were only,

you know, 100 or so yards away, which they could cover extremely quickly. And if they box us in, even if they didn't try to take us out, they could have made a really long and miserable night. And really, you know, nobody knew where we were except for Tim. So, and I guess maybe, you know, Bob's family members might have known,

but I didn't really tell anybody where I was going. It could have been a long, arduous night. And it was five, maybe six. I mean, there's just, if they decide to be aggressive, I mean, You just have no chance. I don't care what you're wrong with. They're just too fast. And it's such close quarters there that they'd be on you before you could do much.

And, you know, we'd be lucky to take down two. We'd probably be lucky to take down one. And then it would be over. So it's just no point tempting fate at that point. But we did get some good recording of it, some good audio that Bob is working through right now. So hopefully we'll have that to listen to. But yeah, the shooting that was going on before, Bob and I are sitting there's nobody that lives out here.

There's nobody out here. And driving up and down the road with the radio, maybe it could be a hunters. I don't know. But whatever it was, they definitely got him start up. And to me it was almost like somebody, he was either trying to make a statement to keep him here, you know, maybe not coming by their house or something,

because we could through a dog barking in the distance. So maybe there's a homestead back there that I don't know about, or they're starting them up on purpose, one of the two. So I don't know what to think about it, but it was really strange. And all the times that Bob has been out there camping with his family and things like that in the past, and that you guys were out there, he had never heard anyone shooting like that. So that was odd.

Yeah, that is odd. too. That whole area is pretty remote. I guess for the audience, kind of the way you described it, Wayland. You drive in there and there is a gate. God, I would imagine he's opening that gate and closing it was probably the longest two minutes of your life or a minute and half of your life. But you open this gate and then it's one road in and basically there's one road out. And so, yeah, there's not really, that's strange that people were in there shooting because you're right. You need to get a permit. You need to open the gate. You need to go in there. And, It's a very remote. It's a very remote location. And it's really beautiful. I mean, I can see why they hang out in that area. They've got everything they need. There's a lot of hog sign there.

There's a lot of deer there. There's a lot of actually duck also that hang out in the pond there. I saw two ducks there before dark, before they went to roost. So it's a pristine area. Absolutely beautiful. The water's clear and clean. And it's just not used that much. I may know why.

It's not used that much now. I don't know. But that was my first time being there. And I said, it's pretty much, you know, it's a drive to get out there. And if you can't get back out that road and you're forced to go overland, I mean, it's a long way. It's a long way into even thicker forest to try to get to the next main road, which is about 12 and a half miles away. so you're kind of screwed if you make a mistake there. And if we had four or five guys with us, it would have been different.

Yeah, with just the two of us, there's just, you know, yeah, there's no point in getting crazy. I mean, we know they exist. I don't need anyone to prove it to me. So, but yeah, it was pretty unnerving. And like I said, we didn't wait for any time getting out there. We definitely left for the purpose. Yeah, no, I love that area. You're right.

It's very remote. If I was a Sasquatch, that's probably where I would hang out. It'd be nice to get your drone in the air and fly it around at night. Because there was, I mean, once it gets dark there, we got a lot of activity when we're there. And I don't really understand, you know, in our situation, what set that female off. I can tell you she was pissed. I was like nothing I'd ever heard before. my life. And it was very, almost every time she screamed, it sounded like a banshee, just

screaming. It was so powerful, it would go through you. And so, yeah, it's a great area. It's a great area. I wish I could have been there. I'm glad you guys made it out safe, though. And like I always say, if, oh, Bob's nervous, that's probably a good cue to leave at that point, because, like I said, there's not much that shakes him up. Yeah, we'll definitely be going back. There's another area. But Mo and I are going to go look at next week. And I actually have a neighbor that was about three miles from me where I am now. I just randomly ran into her at the store and started talking to her. She moved into this place about six months ago.

Our property backs up to about 3,000 acres of private land. It's all wooded. The landowners don't even live there. There's not even a structure on the property. but there are two really nice lakes there and she's got two boys, a 14-year-old and a 5-year-old. She's actually a skeptic, to be honest, but I played her some audio,

and she told me that she had heard some of those sounds at night, along with the coyotes going off around here. But she said one night something did slap the house and something hit the house so hard it shook the window. and her 14-year-old son grabbed the pistol and went outside a look that didn't see anything. And I told her, well, you know that that's one of the things that they do is they'll slap the side of the house and try to get someone to come outside or see what reaction they can get. And she got very afraid at that point.

So Bob and I are going to go check out that place. The five-year-old said that he saw a bear in the wood standing on its hind legs. So I don't know. It's worth at least going to check out. If nothing else, we can hopefully let her know if one's been in there, if one's coming through there. They actually painted the windows on one side of the house, completely white that faced the woods.

They painted all the windows white with a paintbrush because they felt like they've been being watched. So that's probably going to be next on the agenda for Bob and Tim and I to get out there and at least maybe help her sleep better at night or tell her what she can do to try to keep these things. If that's what it is, if it's not a, you know, a creepy neighbor coming through, is what to do. So it's pretty interesting.

So we'll see. And that's only about two miles from my house as a crow flies. So I'm like, all right. Keep me up to date. Let me know what happens with that. I'd love to have you back on to talk about it. It's like I always say, I highly doubt it's a creepy neighbor, especially out there in Texas.

It's one of the few places where I think it's legal to actually just shoot someone if they look at you wrong. Pretty much. And so, you know, you don't want to. Pretty much. They're around your house or on your property after dark. Yeah. Yeah.

It's pretty much shoot first and ask questions later. Yeah. So I highly doubt it's a neighbor. But I appreciate coming on and sharing the experience with the audience. And you could probably talk. He could probably get old Bob back on as well. I'm sure he has a lot. want to add than I do. He's been under the weather a little bit with his allergies, but

I'm sure he wouldn't mind expounding on just what I got on my side of it. I'm sure he probably has more information because he's better at listening for a lot of the subtleties that I'm still learning to listen for. Well, I appreciate it, brother. Thank you for being here. Oh, you're welcome. I appreciate it and say I love the show. Glad you're feeling better. You sound a whole lot better. Oh yeah. No, I'm starting to feel better. And it's, uh, it's one of those long colds that are drawn and drawn out. You know, it's, it's beat me up. I've been pretty much, uh, at its mercy for about three weeks and I'm just now starting to feel better. But I appreciate it, man. Thank you for, uh, for noticing. No problem, man. I hope to, uh, see you. Hope to see you back down here.

Yeah, I can't wait. I'd love to come back down. All right. Sounds good, brother. Thanks for having me all, West. Thanks, Whalen. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I'll see you guys next time. Being across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote. I'm Tom Martin and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand. I've been recognized and awarded by Pro Football Weekly and Gaming Today magazine as the honest handicapper. Let the other guys give you the same old boring sports talk with the same tired storylines.

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