Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:2 Class A Bigfoot Encounters

Episode Date: November 2, 2013

Class A Bigfoot Encounters and aggressive Bigfoot encounters. William Jevning will be interviewing Woody and Wes as they recount their aggressive encounter with Sasquatch that happened one year ago this month. We will also be discussing other aggressive Sasquatch behavior and encounters.We will be discussing recent encounters and older encounters including the Cowman story.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It could have ripped my door off. And there wouldn't have been a thing I could have done about it. And when I saw it on there, the hair literally went up on the back of my neck. Well, now, you guys have had a lot of people interested in your account. Is that correct? Yeah, it's been crazy. I remember after our encounter happened, I kind of assumed all encounters were like ours.

You know, I'd read a few encounters, but wasn't so immersed into the topic like I am now. And I just kind of assumed all encounters were kind of like that, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Well, what I'd like to do is sort of go through with both of you, how I typically interview people who've had encounters, if that's okay. Yeah, absolutely. So let's start now. It's been just over a year. Is that right? It's one year this month. November 2012. Right.

Okay. Now the encounter was, for those listening who don't know where it was, you guys live approximately, it's about an hour south of Mount St. Helens in Washington State, is that right? I would say it's pretty close, pretty close to an hour, yeah. Right near the Lewis River system? Right, yeah. Actually, the Lewis River, where the encounter happened, the Lewis River actually runs within, probably where it happened probably within about 500 feet of where the encounter happened.

Okay, so before we go into the encounter, now this is a question for both of you. What was your knowledge of the subject of Bigfoot prior to that day? My knowledge of it was, I'd seen the Patterson film, of course, like everyone else in the world, unless you're living in a cave. But I'd seen that. I think I had read maybe two or three accounts of people who've had encounters. That was about it, really. I mean, I wouldn't say, I mean, that would be about it.

You know what I mean? It's not like I went to forums. I really didn't have a knowledge of what Bigfoot was. I had read encounters like calling Pooh Bear stories where Bigfoot saved someone's life, stuff like that, but not a whole lot of information. So what was your general impression of the subject then? Well, my impression of it was that living out here, hunting, seeing all of the open areas, My impression was it could be possible, but I was pretty doubtful, but I was still open-minded to the fact that something could be out here.

It could be possible. But I guess for the most part kind of treated it like UFO stories. Right. You sort of believe it if you see it. Right, exactly. But you're not against it. I wasn't against it by any means, but I wouldn't say I was a really a big believer in it either. Woody, how about you?

What was your knowledge prior to that day? Well, as far as my knowledge, it was next to nothing, well, I mean, I hate to say that. I didn't have much knowledge. Wes, I hate to kind of repeat what you said, but I did see the Patterson film. I can't say that I was as open-minded as Wes. I mean, him and I had had a couple discussions, you know, I mean, we're brothers. We talk about everything. Okay.

You know, I had seen the Patterson film. I heard the Sierra sounds. But other than that, man, I really didn't know much of anything. Okay, okay. Now, let's move forward to that date. Basically, what were you guys doing that day? We were, well, it was actually that night. I had been out of work.

Woody was working as a longshoreman, so he wasn't working a whole lot. A few months prior to that, our grandfather passed away. A few months prior to that, our father had passed away. We were just kind of night owls, decided let's go out for a drive, let's just get out and go talk about life and complain and moan about all our stress is going on and just everything going in life basically is what we were doing. What was doing? What caught your attention that something unusual was occurring?

Well, you know, Will, I mean, as soon as we, as as West and I, we had parked, we had sat there and Wes and I were having a discussion. The first thing that we noticed what was happening was there was noises, footsteps. There was also a very weird feeling almost kind of like we were being watched. But the thing that really kicked it off, we started hearing some noises and that's kind of That's kind of what kicked the whole thing off there. Now, you were parked, so you were just having a talk, and you started hearing noises of something moving around the vehicle. Yeah, that's correct.

Yeah, we were part kind of... Well, at first they weren't real close. We didn't know... At first we thought, you know, it could be maybe deer, because we, you know, we were in the middle of the woods. It's not uncommon here in the northwest to have deer or elk come walk right in front of you. And that's kind of... And I think Wes will probably agree with me on that. That's kind of originally what we thought was happening.

It was, well, we're going to see a deer or we're going to see an elf. It turned out that wasn't the case. Okay, well, go ahead. I don't know which one of you want to take the ball, but go ahead and walk me through the following event. Wes, once you go ahead. You're better than I. I tell a story and then West always has to retell it, so go ahead.

No, I mean, what had happened, so we pulled up, The first thing that I had noticed was that it was dead silent. I mean, it was quiet. There was no forest noises at all. It was completely silent. So we're sitting, Woody had gotten out of the car, and I had told him to get back in the car. But when we were sitting there, you could hear, it sounded like footsteps coming towards a car on Woody's side, on the driver's side. And they sounded pretty heavy.

And it sounded like it wasn't trying to be quiet, and it was coming, walking towards a car. car. It got kind of creepy because every time we would stop, like Woody says, was it a deer, do you think? Do you think it's a bear? The footsteps would stop. As we're having this discussion, off to my right, we hear another set of footsteps coming towards a car, but they sound much lighter than what's on the driver's side of the car. Again, the footsteps, as soon as we'd start whispering, both footsteps would stop, but they were coming in towards a car. We were facing, kind of this decline kind of down into this game trail, we couldn't see a whole lot the way we were facing. In front of the car, we heard another set of steps, and it too was coming towards

a car. All three of them kind of had a different walk, I guess, is the best way to describe it, and I couldn't really place the animal. Is it a bear? Is it a deer? It sounds like a person. It sounded like a person to me, but what's throwing me off is if I couldn't see the way we're facing, how could they see and walk seamless through the forest towards us? Before you go on, let me ask, what were the light conditions at that time? Now, this was later in the evening, well after dark, right? Right. It's 2 o'clock in the morning.

2 o'clock in the morning, and what were the light conditions? Was there a moon out? Was it cloudy? It was a clear skies. There was a full moon. Being November, all the leaves were off the trees. So, I mean, there was no, it was wide open. And behind us, the moon was coming in.

And so actually behind us, you could see a lot. It had lit up the whole area that we were at. But the way we were facing, we were facing almost kind of a decline. We really couldn't see anything. So it was more dark that direction? Yeah, it was really good. Okay. So we were actually faced Northwell, and the moon was coming in from the south.

Okay, I see. South East, I believe. Yeah, southeast. And so the way that we were pointed down the hill, it was completely dark. you almost couldn't even see your hand in front of your face. But behind us, the moon was coming up. Behind us was somewhat lit up, but in front of us we couldn't see a whole lot. Okay.

So then what happened next? So we were sitting there and what he had said to me, hey, should I start the car, should I get us out of here? I didn't want to provoke a fight. I thought everything was going through my head. It's not a bear. It's not a deer. There's no, this can't, people doesn't make sense.

Military doesn't make sense. So I'm trying to figure out what's going on So I'm telling him don't do anything Don't start the car, don't do anything I had told Woody to Because we couldn't see that well To just close his eyes and give me a count Tell me how

Tell me how far away that one on the left is And every time he moves towards the car Basically count it off Tell me how far away you think he is And I'm going to do the same for these other two And let's call it out And we both had pistols in our hands at that time I kept telling him Woody to keep it down low

Don't point the pistol out the window don't just keep the pistol down low. We counted off to about 15 feet, and that's when we heard the thing come up from the rear of the car. The only thing I can liken it to is it sounded like just a big guy crawling on his elbows and knees, because all the leaves, so on the road that we were on, on my side, because if we had pulled off on the right side of the road, on my side of the road, there was a pile of leaves,

and you could hear the thing just coming through the leaves. It sounded like a bulldozer just coming through the, through the leaves towards the rear of the car. I guess my first thought was that this is a distraction. That sounds really retarded, but my first thought was, this is a distraction. Something's trying to distract us to the rear of the car.

I honestly felt the time we were sitting there, I felt like our problem was off on Woody's side. It sounded the biggest, and I really thought that's where the threat, the threat of whatever these things were. That's what our problem was, not the rear of the car, until it kind of dawned on me that

we're boxed in. Right, because you could hear it on multiple sides. Yeah, we could hear it on the front, both sides of the car, and now coming up to the rear of the car. As it was coming up towards us, it had growled. It was probably about 20 feet away or so. It had growled at us. And what was first, and I give Woody a hard time.

Woody would give me a breakdown the whole time we were out there. He would tell me, you know, he would tell, give me. a play-by-play on what's going on and it was frustrating me because I'm sitting there and just as just as afraid as he is and I don't need a you know it's like having an old woman sit next to you giving you a play by play and he he leaned over at me and he was like hey did you hear that growl hey something's coming up to the rear of the car and I'm aware of this I'm sitting right next here too yeah and so I'm like yeah I heard the growl and it moved up again and when

When it moved up again, it was probably 15 feet away. This time when it growled, it sounded different than the first growl. It sounded almost more pissed off than it did the first time. And that's what kind of threw me off a little bit because it was a different. It was just different. I don't know. How would you describe it, Woody? It was just like...

I don't know. You know, there was... And Wes, you tell them the story all over again is really giving me goosebumps. I mean, and the way you tell it is just so spot on. It just amazes me. like I said, it's given me goose months. But, well, you've got to imagine this. We have, we don't know what it is.

We hear this thing in the back. And then it starts growling at us. And the growl that I heard is something that I've never, ever, ever in my lifetime I've ever heard before. Not, not a bear, not a cougar or any stuff like that. No, no. No. Absolutely not.

We had spent, West and I have spent, West and I have spent, West and my other brother, we have another brother, Greg. And we've spent many, many times in the woods hunting for, you know, for deer and elk. and we've seen bear, we've came upon bear. But we actually, I mean, I kept asking, I kept asking Wes, what is it? What is it? What is it? What is it?

You know, I kind of felt like that guy, Jeff Corwin, you know, when he's on the show and he's like, what is it. You know, look at this, look at this, look at this. And that's kind of what I was. You know, I didn't know what it was. I didn't know what to think. Yeah, I guess to answer your question, well, I don't know, maybe like a different pitch. The only way I can describe it is it sounded more piss than it did the first time.

Like the growl sounded deeper and longer. Deeper growl, yeah. Yeah. and maybe a little bit longer than the first one. And I got closer. Okay. Yeah. How close do you think it was at that point?

No, I was going to say the very first growl I would say probably about 20 to 30 feet. And then the second time, it actually sounded like it was almost directly behind the car. I mean, it was getting closer and closer and closer. I would guess about 10 to 15 feet away. I mean, it definitely sounded more close than the first one. It came up again, it growled the third time. When it growled the third time, it was kind of a little bit more. close. It was really close to the car, maybe five to ten feet at the most. And we're just guessing

on how close it was because we're not facing it. The third growl sounded more, it sounded a hundred times more pissed off than it did the first two growls. It was different. It was louder. It was, God, I am not how to describe it. Very threatening, very threatening, type growl. We're sitting there and I'm turning to Woody and I'm almost telling him to start the car and back up, let's get out of here. And it moved up again, and it's probably like a foot away from the car now. And it growls the fourth time.

When it growled the fourth time, I felt that growl. And it's hard to describe that, but Woody's comment after he caught his breath, because I felt like it sucked the wind out of me, and it might have been fear, I don't know. Woody's comment was, it shook the car. I know why he said that.

It didn't shake the car. It shook us. Right. But it was that powerful of a growl when it hit us to where, I mean, I almost kind of felt paralyzed. And again, it might have been fear. I don't know. But I almost kind of felt paralyzed after that fourth growl. It came up again, and it's probably like inches from the back bumper.

And when it grabbed the fifth time, it felt like being hit with a baseball bat. It's the only way I can describe it. I don't know if what he has a different description, but it sounded like a demon growling in your ear, and it felt like being hit with a baseball bat. And I remember after the fifth growl, we were both kind of leaning forward. I was kind of having a hard time even talking. I was trying to motion to him, start the car, get out of here, and I couldn't even hardly talk. And Will, you've got to think about this too.

So by the time the fifth growl happened, West and I had already had guns loaded, cocked, loaded, ready to go. The same growls, West, I don't know how to say, I mean, you almost nailed it. You said we were kind of paralyzed, and we were. I mean, it was like we didn't even know what to do, but yet we had tons of ammo, we had tons of gun, we had rifles in the car, we had pistols in our hand, and yet we did nothing. We did absolutely nothing.

You know, it's almost like we couldn't even move after that. Well, I can relate to that experience. My own first encounter with two Sasquatches was very similar. The feeling was very similar. Only I didn't have the growl, thank goodness. Yeah, the growl, you know, when I went to bed, and I had said it before, but for two weeks after this incident, I hardly slept. I mean, I rarely slept because I couldn't sleep.

Every time I put my head down, close my eyes, I would hear this growl. And I had nightmares for like a month, month and a half after this whole thing. I mean, I had a hard time just going to sleep at night. What happened after this fifth growl? I finally pulled it together. I told Woody, okay, I told him, back the car up, back up slowly, do it cool, turn your headlights on, And I'm thinking we're leaving at this point. So he starts a car, he turns his headlights on, he backs up the car slow, turns a car around,

and he drives maybe like 30 or 40, 50 feet, and he stops the car and turns it off, but leaves his headlights on. I'm kind of floored by this because I'm thinking we're leaving now. We're out of here. I have had enough of this. I figured he's had enough. And so he drives about 30, 40 feet, and he stops a lot. the car. So now we're facing the direction we can actually see everything. The moon's coming in. It's lighting the whole area up. But I'm really thinking we're leaving at this point and we,

and we weren't. Woody, why did you stop? To be honest with you all, I just needed a minute. I needed a minute to catch my breath. I needed a minute to kind of refocus. I mean, we were in the middle of the woods and we had to do some driving to get out of there. And I just felt like I wasn't ready to do that yet. I just could not. I could have functioned. I was very shook off. I was very I felt like it could not function enough to drive, to be honest. Right, right. Okay, so now you're turned around. You've got plenty of moonlight.

What happened? I tell Woody to, when he says that, hey, I just need a minute. I realized I felt the same way, and I realized I couldn't drive us out. I told him to turn his headlights off because when he had his headlights on, we could only see within the radius of his headlights. Once he turned them off and our eyes adjusted, now we can see a lot more with those headlights off. I was just kind of in a days looking ahead. ahead at the road and Woody was kind of looking off to his left and up. I can't tell you how long

we sat there but finally Woody looked over at me and he said do you do you see that thing in the tree? Am I seeing this? He goes, do you see what I'm seeing over here? And I leaned over to his side of the car and I looked up. It looked like just kind of a blob, black blob with a head on it in a tree, kind of like a person but like a monkey and it was going from the left side of the tree trunk to the right side to the left to the right to the left to the left right swing back and forth I wouldn't say well I don't know if I would really call it yeah I guess you'd call it swing it was looking down at us and it was kind of like going back and forth almost like it was trying to get a good look at us and well

it's going back and forth well no no it's the whole body was oh I see okay so it was up shifting back and forth right exactly okay I just looked at it and I'm watching the thing going back and forth back and forth back and forth back and and forth. I finally sit down back in my seat. I mean, I don't even know, I don't know what to say at this point. I just kind of looked over at Woody and I was like, you're talking about that thing in the tree? I mean, and he was like, yeah, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Are we, is this really happening? And so we both looked back up and it's gone. Whatever was up in that tree was gone. And I would say it was a little bit bigger than me, not by much, but a little bit bigger

than me, as it was swaying because it was a clear night and all the stars were out, as it would sway back and forth, you'd see like the stars disappear behind it. Right, right. I mean, I didn't, I thought we were losing our mind, to be honest with you, Will. I thought we were both just losing it. But whatever it was, it was gone. And then I still had my window cracked at that point, and off to my right, there's a tree line off to my right, it was Woody's side, now we're turned around, so this tree line

is on my side. My windows cracked probably two or three inches. And I could hear this breathing, and it's hard to describe the breathing. The breathing sounded like, I mean, I've said Darth Vader. I've said like a fat guy that just got run running a mile. It would breathe in just as hard as it would breathe out. So it would inhale just as hard as it would exhale. But it was standing just inside this tree line to where we couldn't see it.

And I told Woody, hey, listen to this breathing. What is this? What do you think this is? But we couldn't see it. Right. Kind of like a large animal breathes. Yeah, like a large animal breeze. But it was weird.

It was like it wasn't just the exhale that was hard. It's like the inhale was just as hard as the exhale. It was off to, the breathing was almost diagonal to my passenger side mirror on the car. Now the moonlight's coming in. It's actually lighting up. There's these white trees that grow out of the area. They got white bark. And there's three of them.

behind the car. As I'm looking at this breathing, Woody's kind of looking over listening to, I'm looking at these white trees that are behind us through my passenger side mirror. And I would see like a black flash and it would stand right in front of the white trees to where you couldn't see the white trees and then it would take off. And then it would come back and then it would take off. And I remember looking down at that mirror thinking, did I just see that? Is my mind playing tricks on me? Am I seeing that? And Woody had leaned over to me at that time and said, hey, something's behind the car. I think we're being surrounded again. That's when I just said, hey, man, you know what, I've had enough. Let's get out of here. Whatever the adrenaline's

starting to pump again, I told Woody, I just want to go. I just want to leave. I don't want to deal with this anymore. Let's go. That's when we had decided to take off, or I thought we were going to take off, but didn't quite happen that way. So Woody goes to start the car, and Right, so we're both facing forward now. Right as he goes to start the car, that's when we saw it. And it was the biggest, it was the biggest thing I'd ever seen in my life. I mean, I, gosh, I hate that one story. Yeah, we saw one of them.

I can't even put into words how big it was. Now, how clear did you see it? Well, we got a pretty good look. We were probably 70 feet away from it. We got a pretty good look. I think we both can describe what we saw pretty well. The thing had stepped out into the road, and it was walking across the road, but it was walking at kind of a diagonal towards us, but it was going across the road.

I don't know if that makes sense or not. Right, sure. It was taking its time walking across this road. I've just never seen anything that big. I've just, I remember after being in awe over how big this thing was, I remember seeing like the one of things that really caught my attention. I've said this 100 times is the shoulders on this thing. I could not believe how big the shoulders were on this thing.

It was like a giant. It was probably 10 to 12 feet tall. The shoulders were probably 6 feet wide. It didn't appear to have a neck. It's almost like the head kind of sat on the body. The head almost was out of proportion for the body. Like the head almost kind of seemed like it should have been bigger for what the body size was. Right, right.

Its arms, I mean, me standing next to it, I'd probably come up to its waist. Its arms were just ripped, its chest was ripped. It went down to a pretty narrow waist. I mean, it went from six feet wide in the shoulders to pretty slim in the waist. But I remember at, you know, 70 feet thinking, I saw all five fingers on the thing's hand. And I remember thinking at the time, I shouldn't be able to see this much detail where we're at. but the arms kind of hung down a little, they aren't quite proportioned like we're proportioned.

The arms kind of hung down to the knees, not quite to the knees, but almost to the knees. Right. It kind of seemed hunch over, I mean a little bit, like it was hunched over, but not really kind of hunched over, I guess. But the way it walked, we were watching this thing, and I remember thinking, like its knees were bent the whole time it walked as it walked across this road.

If I, and I've told Woody since our encounter, if I tried to walk like it walked, I would fall over. Now in comparison, let's say, you know, with Patterson Sasquatch, how, what are the similarities? I mean, obviously, you know, male, female, but how similar was it to that creature? I mean, I would say a little bit. I would say it was a lot slimmer in the waist.

It seemed more ripped out than the Patterson one. Right. The muscular build was amazing. It was, I feel like it was. It was huge. This thing was ginormous. And I think Westie said it before. If you take the biggest WWF wrestler,

I know that's kind of a poor example, and you times them by five, that was this thing. I would say the only real differences between what we saw in the Patterson film, of course, he said male and female, the biggest differences would be the way that it walked with the knees as far as how the knees look

and how they were bent. I can't say it was, you know, Wesie said it was kind of hunched over. I don't know if hunched over was really the right, word the right word I think it was you think maybe the shoulders just slumped a little bit it could yeah yeah I think maybe I think slump would be a would be a better word but this thing was genormous and then it walked and it was it was like almost it was trying to intimidate us as it walked by it knew we were there it wanted us to know that it was

there we were definitely scared it was almost like he was trying to push our buttons almost kind of like calling us out type thing you know yeah I would say challenging it was a very good very good word yeah kind of like a tough guy, you're right, would. That's the best way to describe it. It walked and it would kind of stop and turn its body towards us and take me a few more steps and kind of stop and turn its body at us, turn its head and body. But as far as the Patterson film, I think Woody kind of nailed it. It seemed like it was more bent knee than the Patterson film. Yeah, I think there's, and there's differences with individuals too, you know, how they're, you know, some are maybe a little more than others and depending on, you know, different factors at play. But, yeah. I think the dead giveaway most of the time is if you see one that bend or straightened its knee out, then you know it's somebody in a suit. But obviously that size and that location and that time is not somebody in the suit.

So what happened next? Did this creature get any closer? Did you see anything else? Okay, so I was going to say, so what it did is, you know, it kind of gave us this evil, I don't know how else to say it other, kind of like an evil glare. Even though we saw it, I couldn't see his eyes. I didn't I couldn't really make out the face very much like I said the moonlight was in the behind it but you could see all the mutts you could see the muscles we didn't

see any eyes but it did when it walked across so it walked across the road and there was a tree I want to call it like kind of a deadfall tree like the top part of the tree it fell off and there was like a large stump on the on the left side of left side of the road so it goes across the road and it gets behind this tree and West you remember it was kind of like doing this like it would peek it I call it like a peek-a-boo thing. It was take its head out and it would like look at us and then it would take its head and go back behind this tree. And it hit this probably five, six, seven, maybe seven times. Like it was like really trying to like check us out. And at that point, I was, I go West, I go, do you see it? Do you see what

I'm seeing? And then West repeated back to me because I was thinking I was going crazy at this point. I thought, I thought, okay, I've just completely lost my mind. And I had West repeat back to me. I was like, And he says, yes, I do see it. It's behind the log, and it's looking at us. And I'm like, oh, my God, is this really happening? You know, we kind of had like a mini-conversation about, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, it was probably one of the most scariest moments I've ever had in my life. I mean, I can't.

Let me ask you a question. Could you tell, I know, with the moonlight and everything, could you tell any sort of color, was it light color, dark-colored? I'm going to say, well, I know with that one, it was dark-colored. I'm going to say black to a dark color. to a dark brown. I would say, I can't. A long, short, I mean, obviously, the muscle, so it was fairly short hair.

Yeah, you could make... Or was there longer in certain places or... No, I don't say... Usually a situation happens so quickly you can't tell, but some of those details, sometimes they're worth asking just to, you know, to jog your memory. I would say pretty uniform. Just because I remember making out like the thigh muscles, you could see the calf muscles, you could see...

You could make out the hands pretty clearly. pretty clearly you could make out. I remember the body says the big chest. Yeah, the chest and shoulders was, the chest and shoulders was just, it's something I'll never forget. And the reason I asked that is because, you know, you guys know that I spent many years in that area

and saw, had my second sighting, not far from there, and the one I saw was about that same size, but it was a gray one. There was another one approximately the same size that was either, black or very dark brown. So, but anyway, so now, this was, it was peeking at you, checking you out from behind the tree, what happened next?

Well, I would say it was peeking at us, but I would say it was kind of, I mean, from what I saw, and what I remember, is almost kind of like it was thinking about charging the car. And I say that because it was... It wasn't being shy. No. Okay.

When it would come out, I remember it would kind of get down, almost like you would see like a runner getting ready for the shotgun. end to go off like it was thinking about charging us and it kind of pump a little bit like it was going to charge and then it would go back and then it would come out and it would kind of do the same thing and then go back I mean five or six times I don't know it seems like it seemed like forever we sat Woody's probably right but it seemed like forever we sat and watch this thing and so it's blocking our way out we can't get out because it's right next to the road and there's no other road to get out of this area as we're sitting there watching the thing

this I say light gray what he says white but this other one comes comes out like in a full leap it's already in a full leap again I say it's light gray wasn't built like this black one right the light gray one was built more slender

it was slimmer it was a little bit shorter not much but it's a little bit shorter it's already in a full leap it lands in the middle of the road and bounces off of it like a trampoline and goes across the road and into the bushes and it was gone. That's the last time we saw it. Just that one up here.

Yeah, it was really odd, and I think that's why Woody talks a little bit about the paranormal. It looked like it floated across the road, well, the way this thing moved really wasn't like anything I've ever seen. It was so fast, it was so smooth. Woody says floated. I say it was more like watching something in fast forward, but in slow motion. And, you know, I think what happens with a lot of these incidents where, you know, we talked before in the last show about people, an anthropologist used a term called anthropomorphic,

which means that we place, as humans, we put human characteristics on non-human species. You know, we sort of expect them to do things the same way we do. And I think when you see something that's non-human doing something that we couldn't do, sort of outside of that box, I don't think we know how to grapple with that. Yeah, it gives a different appearance, sort of an unworldly appearance. Very unworldly, but it went across the road, and again, this road, it would probably take like me 13 to 15 steps to walk across this road. This thing doesn't one leap. After it took off, the black one had stepped out into the road, he stepped out from the log and actually

was in the road facing us. He dropped down. into like a military crawl well not even a military crawl he dropped down like a spider he went down to all fours he dropped down to all fours face down what's up face down yeah facing towards us okay he dropped down and he crawled like on his fingertips and on his back toes but it looked he looked just as natural on all fours as he did up walking around on two feet right as natural as I guess you would put a reference to. Right, given the circumstances.

Yeah, but he dropped down so low and so fast. I mean, it happened like within a split second. He's down on all fours. He crawls halfway across the road, and then he stops for a second, and then he goes back towards the riverside and into the bushes. And that's when I told Woody, let's go.

Let's get the hell out of here, go. He wasn't sitting next to the road. It seemed like waiting for us to go by. I mean, the thing looked so big. there was no doubt in my mind he could have tipped the car over to run the car and when he took off i told wuddy go go go go wood he starts the car and takes off the part of the the story that still bothers me to this day beyond everything else when we got there it was two when we left it was five the whole encounter seemed like it only should have taken 30 to 40 minutes tops

and we were there three hours and neither of us can account for the time we argued about the going down the mountain, but we're, what he's doing, like 75 coming down the mountain. Well, you said the clock was wrong. You're like, you're like, your clock's wrong. Your clock's wrong. Remember it in the car? And I'm like, no, right wrong. It shouldn't be wrong. Yeah. Yes. We had three hours that we couldn't even, where did it go for? Yeah. I think sometimes when you're so focused on a situation, something that intense, you know, time seems to go by very quickly. Yeah, to me it's sort of like, you know, if you're, you're doing something that you're kind of bored with, you know, time drags.

Whereas if you're, if you're really intently focused on something, whether it's interesting or just it really has your attention, then time seems to fly. It's more of a perceptual thing. You know, you guys didn't realize that much time had gone by, but in fact, did, of course. Right. Yeah, no, I think we're both scared for our lives that night. I mean, I know it's changed both of us a lot, but I think that night, I mean, I'll never forget that night. I still have dreams about that night. So do you guys talk about it on the way down the

mountain or what did you do next? What's weird is we didn't really, I, we didn't really say a whole lot. And we didn't say, I don't, I think it took us a week before either of us really said Sasquatch or Bigfoot. All we referred to them as was monsters. So there's mom, I think I even told the fishing game guy, there's monsters up there, which I, looking back, I'm sure I sent it like an idiot. I didn't, we didn't really reference Sasquots or Bigfoot for about a week after the whole thing happened. We didn't really talk about it a whole lot. So what made you finally come around to the realization that that is what you saw? I know for me, the Fish and Game guy kind of alluded to the fact that's what we saw.

So now, now, where did this person come into the picture? So I called Fish and Game the next day and told that, and told them about the encounter. I kept referring to them as monsters. And as I got done with the story, I said, hey, we'll take lie detector tests, we'll take, you know, I said, somebody's got to get up there, somebody's got to do something because someone's going to end up dead. And the fishing game guy told me, well, you know, you had a Sasquatch encounter. He goes, and I said, well, I will take a light detector test. And he said, Wes, there's no need for a light detector test. You have too many, you guys have way too many details, how they move

and for this to be made up. He said, we'll take it from here and we'll be in touch with you if we need anything, and that was the last I ever heard of it. Now, isn't that interesting, that number one, they acknowledged your experience as factual, and secondly, they said they would take it from there. So after, that is very interesting, well, that was a very good point. Very good point. After Wes had spoke with them, they actually had, West had given them my number and they called me the following day and did a quick interview with me and I think they were somewhat surprised on how close our stories is matched and I think they were kind of checking on it and

then that's the last I had heard them from, they never called me again after that, never heard from that. Now, did they indicate to you also that they were going to look into it or do something about it? They had, they said they were going to document my account. If need be, they would get back in contact with me. I never heard. Now, let me ask you, you know, we chatted about the broken trees,

you know, similar to what I have in my book. How far from your encounter location was that location? Where those, where you found those? I'd say as a crow flies, not very far. Are you talking about the time we were on our bikes west? Is that what we refer to? Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.

So yeah, yeah, as a crow flies, it's, It's not very far do you think? Maybe less than a mile. I would say probably five miles or less. Five miles or less. Okay, and was it roughly during that same time period or different time of year? That was in August and our encounter happened in November.

Okay, so relatively close to the same timeframe. Right. So of course now your attitudes towards the subject have completely changed, then obviously. Yeah, they've done a 360 on both of us, or 180, I should say. I would say, for me, I mean, obviously I know they're real now. But, yeah, I mean, my attitude's changed a lot.

Well, you know, I hate to kind of back up here a little bit, but when we were talking about that black one and it came out and it went down to that, when it was coming up, so after the white one went across the road and the black one came out from behind the tree and I went down to the military crawl and went down to its fingertips, you know, West you called it the spider position. One of the biggest things that really stuck in my mind, Will, and you'll hear me talk a lot about like I'm I feel like it's a paranormal thing I like I still don't have all my questions are not quite answered and the reason why I see that is because the way that the way that the

thing went down this expression on prior shows it was almost like transformer like it was unnatural it like it dropped to almost like a puddle you know like water would just drop to a puddle and then it was on its fingertips and then and then I also think well the question that you asked too was, was it face down? Well, it was foot wested facing us, but no, the face was not facing down. His head was tilted towards us, like, looking at us. Right, well, that's what I meant. It went down, you know, with its chest facing the ground, not like a crab walk.

Yeah, well, right. Yeah, chest down. Yeah, chest down. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, right. Chest down.

And the way that it moved on its fingertips, it wasn't like, you know how, like, you know how, like, humans, like, If you go down and you're going to crawl on the floor, you go down with one knee and you stick an arm out and you stick your left arm out and maybe your right arm and then another knee and then you crawl. That's not how this thing, it's not how this happened. It was like down all at once and down to fingertips and it was, I don't know, it was a craziest thing I've ever seen in my life. Well, you know, I think when you look at the way they're designed, I mean, in comparison to the humans, you know, are, say, a low portion of one another where their knee kind of in the center where the Sasquatch is lower. leg is actually much shorter and their upper leg is longer. And the same with their arms. You know, the forearm is much longer and the upper arm's a little shorter and the hip is in a different position. The whole design is very different than humans. So I think when they move, you know,

they have that very fluid motion, not just in walking or running, but any position they get into. And of course, the musculature is so they're much more powerfully built than we are. They can do things like that. I've heard it time and again the speed and different types of movements and it's really difficult for for most people to kind of wrap their heads around that. Yeah, you're right. The lower leg from the knee down is a lot shorter, a lot shorter. And it allows them to move much differently. Yeah, well, they move differently. If you look at how gorillas and shins and those kinds of animals move, they're kind of the same way they do things so much differently than we can because their mechanics are different.

And I think the Sasquatch is the same way. Their mechanics so much different than ours, they can do things that we can't possibly do. Yeah. You know, I guess what I don't understand from the encounter is what was the deal? Were they, I mean, that big one obviously wasn't allowing us to leave. It was really obvious he wasn't going to allow us to leave. And maybe that, and maybe that's just my impression, but that's the way I feel after watching him, And, you know, I still knew there was other ones around us, but I knew that big one wasn't, we weren't going anywhere.

Right. And that's kind of the impression I got from the story, too. You know, and I believe that's the same group of creatures that we investigated back in 89 and 90 in that same area. The individual that intimidating you guys was probably what I called at the time. I wouldn't say it was a young adult. It was probably more like, you know, in human terms, you know, a 17 or 18 year old, at that time it was about seven, seven and a half feet tall. It had very particular behaviors towards people in Yakhold.

You know, so I think that was it just sort of the way it was. And by the time you guys encountered it, of course, it was a full grown male, you know, middle-aged at this point. And probably very aggressive. I think it had aggressive tendencies back in 89 when the Goldhammer family first encounter. and it did other things. And there was a gray female with that group at that time also. Witnesses saw that one. So, and there were two younger ones.

So there were four in that group at least, you know, that we encountered. And I knew, you know, from when you guys told me before that it was the same group. That makes sense after you say, you know what, Will, that makes so much sense after hearing you say that because, you know, Wes, if you think about it, when after we, after I backed up out of that little game trail thing, where we were headed downwards, and I backed up, did the 180 and we were faced the opposite direction. We had one to the left for sure, one to the right, for sure. We had the big one in front of us, and then we had, I call it like, I want to say a female,

I can't tell it was a female, but it was such a more much slender, it didn't have the muscular build. Right. There's four right there. There's four right there all at the same time. Yeah, and the family, you see, now this group, normally Sasquatches won't, you know, it's rare when they're all together close like that because usually when they go into a feeding area they spread out you know and usually have a mile one to five miles between each other so they can feed without

sort of encroaching on each other I mean they you know they really need to maximize the amount of food that they take in that group will seem to come together more often especially if it's in that area for some reason and there were four in that group we knew for sure because the male was seen multiple times many occasions and he did think he would follow people right up to the house he would heard, he heard a young Nick in that situation twice. And he just did a lot of weird things. I told the family a month after their initial sighting to watch for a female because I found two sets of tracks of young ones that were a nine-inch set and a 12-inch set. And they said, there's probably a female, keep your eyes open. Well, one night I was in bed, they called, and it was

standing in their yard in the bright light that they had on a pole out there, just watching the house. And it fit exactly the same description you just gave. It was kind of on the thin side. It was very tall. They said not quite white, more gray, but sort of in that range. And I went there, got there, and found 16-inch tracks in the yard, so it definitely was there. You know, fast forward 23 years later, here's the same group.

They're all adults at this point, and they're still, I think, even more aggressive than they were 27 years ago. So let me ask you this, well. What's your opinion? It sounds like through age, they're getting more aggressive, I mean, from the set. I think that the group is, yes. And I will say that Wes and I were very, and if you ask Wes, you can get him on a one-on-one conversation. He will say he was scared to death, and I will say the same thing.

We had made the comment before on other shows that we were possibly on the menu. Do you think? I think so. Do you think that we were in danger? What do you think would have happened if we would have got out of the car, if it made it, if it might have played out differently. Do you think... Well, here's what I have come across through many...

I mean, you can look back at some of the old encounter stories, many that I've interviewed and happened to myself as well. You know, we had a group around us outside of Fort Lewis on the Squally River back in 1976. And typically what happens with these more aggressive ones is they may not assault you the first day you're there, But the longer people are in a location where they have an aggressive individual or groups, they will move in closer on successive time frames, whether it's each night or what have you.

But if they're not going away, I believe that's their intention. They're intending to do something. The Teddy Roosevelt story, that's a good example, you know, that happened in the 1800s where the two trappers, you know, were in the mountains between Idaho and Montana. a hundred had been killed in that very location the previous year and was partially eaten. The thing came into their camp the first or second night. They shot at it. And it didn't run off.

It stayed across the creek and was making all kinds of horrible noises over there. They were being followed the next day, go checking their traps. And then finally, when they decided to get out of there because they felt menaced by this thing, they made the mistake of splitting up, and one of the trappers was killed, and the other one just took off running, left the area only his rifle. So the same with, you know, the story of Mount St. Helens, you know, the same, could be descendants of the same group that you guys encountered and the ones that I investigated, because that's their range, that part of that range.

That was an aggressive group, and they were held in on trying to get those liners out of their cabin, and they were lucky that it was a sturdy cabin. They didn't get into them, but that wasn't for the lack of trying. You know, when they're aggressive like that, I have to warn people, don't mess with them, because you saw how big the one was, and they are certainly the top. They're coming after you. There's usually one reason, and it's not to make nice with you. You're probably on the menu.

Yeah, that's kind of... All of man eaters. That's kind of what I think, and I'm glad I asked that question, because Wes and I've talked about it with some other people, too, and... I think it's an extremely relevant question. I would agree with you. I'm glad I asked you because you know a lot about it, a lot of the other people that I've talked to, but like, oh, no, you're fine, you're fine, you're fine.

No, we didn't feel fine. Yeah. Yeah, no, there was no, there was no warm, there wasn't a warm, fuzzy feeling there. Yeah. You know. I didn't feel like we ran into Winnie DePoo, that's for sure. And you know, the first two that I saw when I was 16, you know, I didn't have any frame of reference like you guys didn't either. I just stood there.

I did the same thing. I froze. and that was in that short amount of time milliseconds, you know, a million things go through your mind. But the one thing I remember was they looked extremely pissed off. They were not happy that I was there. Thank God I shot in the air and was able to run like hell for the house because I did not feel safe.

And had I stood there, you know, even a few moments longer, I think that I may not be here today. No, I was going to say, well, let me ask you this, since we're on this kind of subject, less you and I have talked about it and I kind of like your input on it too and I'm going to piss a lot of people off here I'll just come out and say it but what are your feelings people that go out there and don't really know what they're getting into and like as far as like gifting and leaving food I mean to me that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense I mean what are your thoughts on that well you know I I I'm not not in the in the game to to please or to make people angry you know I tried I've tried I've I try not to make people angry, but my opinions are based on, you know, 41 years worth of fieldwork at this point. And I've had two personal encounters with these things. And then some other ones where we didn't actually, I didn't see the creatures, but they were there.

So I don't, but I don't count them as sightings, but I've had a number of these, you know, close encounters with them. And, you know, I think a lot of people convince themselves of things that aren't true with these creatures. films like Harry and the Hendersons really put wrong things into people's minds. I mean, it's fine. It was a fun movie. It's not reality. It's the opposite of reality. At the very basis, you know, they're wild creatures, and you mess with a wild creature, you might get your head taken off. It's not something you do. Anybody who knows anything about wildlife will tell you you don't screw around with a wild animal. It doesn't matter what it is. You don't screw with it. And if something like this that, And as I mentioned in our previous show, you know, they seem to have short tempers.

And so do other primates. They're just kind of, and you look back at the history where the Indians say that they were cannibals, they were man-eaters. It's just, it's part of what they are. They're not, you're not going to go out there and make friends with them. People have been tried to do the, whether it's, you know, Diane Fossey or Jane Goodall approach, that doesn't work with these creatures. They're not gorillas or chimps.

And even those creatures, you don't just walk out and try to make it. offering with them because they can be dangerous also. A chimp has the strength of four six-foot-tall grown men. Grill, of course, much more strength. So, you know, my opinion is always that they can be very aggressive. I think when they choose not to make contact with humans, which is the majority of cases, they just don't want to be bothered. They don't want to contact. In cases where they're aggressive, don't screw with them. You're going to lose. No, I agree. I think that, I mean, I've said it since day one. I thought we were on the menu. I think if we would have made one wrong move, I think it would have been...

That would have been it. Yeah. And I think, you know, it's like I've said before, I think shooting one of them when there's that many around us, that would have been it. Yeah, they would have turned you up. Yeah, so I think we made all the right decisions. Given the circumstance that we were in, And that's what I was trying to do is try to keep everything cool. Even though when we came off the mountain, that's when my panic mode kicked in. When the fear is gone, you know, I was in complete panic mode. But looking back, I think it would have turned out bad for us.

I really do. You know, made me think of stories like the one West, I mean, Woody, I don't know if you read the story about Cowman. He doesn't read. Sorry, Woody. I didn't have a video to send him. Oh. Wow. Without going into that story, that's, you know, that story, that's the story.

very typical of what happens in these kind of situations. And without going into detail, the creature was around that small home or farm, you know, like they do sometimes. They'll focus on a place where there's easy food. You know, the pigs were taken one night, and there was probably other things that it was getting from that location. Whoever wrote that story put their own two cents worth at the end about, you know, well, perhaps it was just, you know, it was trying to solve.

off pedal the creature's fixation on a little four-year-old boy. Well, you know, again, going back to the Indians, they talked about them stealing and eating children. How do we know that wasn't the creature's intention? It got very aggressive when the other child, I think he was 11, and the parents, you know, paid attention. But it fixated on the little one. Well, what do wild animals do in nature? They usually go after the young or in the old. those are the easy meals. And when it couldn't get what it wanted, they came in there and tore the house up. That's what we're looking at with these things.

They're not the fuzzy, friendly creatures. They're not the shy, gentle giants. You know, that stuff is all BS. People that are going out looking for them, thinking that they're going to be, you know, anything but that if they think they're going to be the next Diane Fossey, they better, you know, set themselves up to be a box lunch. Yeah.

That's the road they're headed down, in my opinion. One thing we did leave out, Will, before all this, so when Les and I were up, we were headed up in my car up to the mountain, up to the spot where this all happened, right before we make the turn and it goes into the gravel road, up to the north, it's a straight incline down to the asphalt. I don't know, I would say it's probably like a 60-foot cliff, something like that, and it's a pretty good, it's a pretty good drop. Well, right before we get, as a crow flies, it's probably, I would say probably less than a quarter of, of a mile where our incident actually happened. I mean, you have to go around the windy road, so it's a lot longer, but it's a crow flies. It's a pretty short distance. So we're driving up there and off to the left-hand side on the driver's side. I would say there was probably four, was there four deer west? It looked like four or six, something like that. There was a handful of deer

that were running down the mountain for their lives, and they went right in front of. We almost hit them. If I would have been two seconds faster, I would have nailed all these deer, and it look like they were running for their lives. They were even paying attention to your car. No, they weren't. So I don't know. Is it a possibility that maybe we came upon these saskwatches maybe possibly hunting? I mean, I don't know.

Well, you know, it's what they do after dark. And, you know, all these things make me think of other encounters that I've interviewed people on. There was a young guy, and I mentioned this before out by Cascade Locks. Actually, the location was called YF. And I don't think it's even on the map anymore. It used to be a small community many, many years ago, and it's gone now. But these two guys were, well, actually, let me back up a little bit.

I was out with a couple of friends. We were hiking around, out near Stevenson, and I kind of got tired of the old guy from Carson, who was the local Bigfoot guy out there, and he was a cuck. He kept telling us, you know, he'd have these things for us to go look at, and they always turn out to be nothing. So I got disgusted this one day, and I saw a couple of guys riding dirt bikes. So they came up and stopped to say hi, and I said, well, I'm a big foot hunter, so have you guys heard of anybody that's seen anything? You know, I just kind of threw it out there on the table.

And instead of laughing, one of the guy says, well, you know, a friend of mine saw one two weeks ago. And I said, do you think I could talk to him? He says, yeah, sure, give me a call tomorrow, and I'll set it up. So I called him, and we met with the guy out in Stevenson. He just said, well, sure, I'll take you out to the location as we were driving. I was interviewing him on tape, and what had happened was the guy on a dirt bike said, well, there were some steam vents. Well, the steam vents were, you know, on the old logging landings,

they'll a lot of times cover that stuff up with dirt, and as it decays, you know, from rain, it steam comes off because, you know, wood when it decays gets hot. And he thought they were volcanic steam vents, but it was just this, you know, rotting vegetation. So they went to see the steam vents. One of the guys felt kind of uneasy, so he went back to the car, And the other guy, Hugh Brown, decided to stay there for a few moments just to keep looking, and he heard this scream from down the slope, really loud, this roar, he called it. So he just kind of stood there, and he said, you know, he said he felt like, you know,

it shook the leaves off the trees. It was so loud. It just kind of reverberated. And this happened a couple times, and you could hear it getting closer coming up the ridge. And at one point, in a clearing down below him, he said maybe 60, 70 feet. He actually saw this thing come through, and he thought it was a bear because, you know, the head was, you know, so thick and the shoulders were big. He said, I just kind of had a quick view of it.

And then he didn't see it because it was moving. And then this deer popped out in front of him, totally oblivious to his presence, not afraid of him. And he said he could just reached out and touched it. And then he heard this scream again, much closer. And then the deer just bolted, ran like it was running for its life. And then this Sasquatch comes popping out of the tree line where the deer came out, saw him, and just made a dead run straight for him.

Well, instead of running to him, Hugh said I was in shock, I didn't move, I just stood there. You know, I didn't know what this was. So the creature was on a little slope just below him, maybe 10 feet, ran up and stood right in front of him and stared at him. And he says, I was just frozen with fear. I just stood there and looked back. And he said, it looked at him for a few minutes. He said, it kind of looked bored, then it turned to its right and just walked off into the trees. And then he took off running for the car.

It may have been this competition. and maybe it felt like it was in competition for the deer because obviously it was hunting or maybe there was another Sasquatch nearby that it was hurting the deer into a trap. And I've actually interviewed hunters who felt like they were being led into a trap. One individual, for instance,

and this is up kind of in the area towards the Sioux sign as a matter of fact. For those who don't know where that's at, that's east of the Yale Reservoir on the Lewis River, not far from the town of Cougar. He was up there hunting, saw this thing, and he followed it, and was going to continue following it. It sort of didn't move too fast, kept turning around to see if he was there, and then he saw another one hiding behind a log.

So that's when he decided it's a trap, and he beat feedback to his truck. So, you know, there are some things that do happen where, you know, either there's hunting deer, and in that case they probably were hunting that group of deer. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, too. So we didn't bring that out earlier and I just wanted to get your input on that. Yeah, no, that's exactly what I think they were doing. Do you think the one that came out and that guy was face to face with it, do you think because he didn't run, the Sasquatch prop was possibly thinking,

this is going to be too much trouble trying to get this guy because this guy doesn't seem to be afraid, even though he was terrified. Sometimes they do mock charges like guerrillas do. It's sort of an intimidation. and if you run, they're going to turn you into a pretzel. If you don't run, then it's sort of like you sort of call their bluff. And it may be, you know, that some individuals aren't as aggressive towards humans. They'll do things like that.

But, you know, you can't take the chance either. I mean, you're not going to outrun one, so I'm not sure what you can do in that situation except Stan Still. Maybe you'll get lucky like you did and just, you know, you'll call it to bluff and off it goes, hopefully. Circumstances where they'll run and if you act like you're going to go away when they go, away, then they'll come running back, and I know a number of cases like that. You know, like they don't want you to leave, they'll toy with you for a while. I wonder what would happen to the hunter. I mean, that's a pretty creepy story. I wonder, it sounds like an ambush

that was being set up. I think we were trying to lure him in as a meal, to be honest with you. And that's how he felt, too. Yeah, it kind of shows how smart they are. You know, I can't think of too many animals that... Yeah, they're not stupid. I mean, they're not human smart, but they're not foolish either no they aren't god that that hunter one really that's a creepy one that was a creepy story and it's not the first one I've heard of like that the you know it makes you wonder about all the people that you're disappearing out in the woods and they're never to be heard from again who's the guy that wrote the book it's called missing 411 or something like that David Pilates yeah I think

he embellishes a little bit on a lot of those but not all of them can be discounted either Yeah, it definitely makes you wonder about people disappearing out the woods. Well, you know, over in the Clackamas River, I remember when I lived in Vancouver, it wasn't uncommon. And I don't know if you guys are familiar with the Clacomis. You know, it's not that deeper river, really. No, it's not. And it moves pretty quick, yeah.

Yeah, I would occasionally hear if people, you know, experienced hunters or hikers just vanishing over there. And they would say, oh, they probably fell in the river and drowned and disappeared. Really? That river studded with big rocks. Why didn't they wash up on the rock someplace? You know, they would just vanish without ever any trace again, and it happened way too often. Well, I found out over in that area, and it's not, well, you know, we talked about,

well, I knew, let me, that area had plenty of sightings, and it's not that far from where they would regularly be seen swimming the Columbia River between little, there's a little town when you go outside of Wash, Eagle on Highway 14, called Scamania. It's just, you know, one building, this. sits there. Can't remember what little community about the same size on the Oregon side there is, but right there for many years, local residents would say they knew these things swam the river back and forth. Well, over in that area, if you keep going south, is the Clackamas River, where

all these disappearances are. So there's plenty of not direct evidence, and there was a plane wreck, a friend of mine said, up in that area on Mount Hood, not really that far as a crow fly. People went down on the plane, but every one of them disappeared up there. No bodies river found. They found the plane wrecked. No bodies. And you have to wonder what happened to all them. Yeah. And for people who aren't around from this area, the clock of this river, God, I can't even imagine. I can only think of maybe a few areas that you might drown in, but that river's not that deep. It's not. And it just didn't make any sense. Whenever I would hear that on the news out of Portland, I would think, are you kidding me? How did the bodies just disappear? I mean, yeah,

if they fell, hit their head on a rock, well, they're going to get stuck against a boulder somewhere, I mean, the bodies are going to be found pretty easily. How do they disadvantage? And somebody that's experienced and there was always people, and of course, they're foolish to go by themselves. I tell people never, ever, whether you're fishing, hiking, whatever, never do it. And in my mind, of course, I always say, well, you know, if you fall and get injured or then cougar attacks are getting more common, but just don't go on in my mind, of course, it's these guys, you know, they're going to, they're going to eat you if you're out there by yourself. Now, it's not every time, but you never know. There's always the, uh, and I used to call them the rogue individual, but, you know,

the more, the more you look at these situations, it's probably more common than we might think. Yeah, I mean, even with our situation, I think that, because I'm sure in their mind, they probably thought that we weren't afraid, even though we were both terrified. they were probably thinking that we weren't afraid of them because we weren't screaming and yelling we weren't right you weren't no one was yeah no one was crying no you know uh no one was uh uh we weren't firing off shot though i was almost right yeah yeah but we weren't firing off shots we just kind of sat there i think it's because we were in such shock but i think looking back they might have thought yeah we can go get these guys and they would have no trouble to

that big one would have no problems extracting both of us from that car. Right. But I know we would have taken a few of them with us, and I'm sure that's kind of what they're thinking. Like, this might have been more trouble than it was worth. Well, you know, I mean, like we talked before, you know, they know that humans are dangerous.

And I think, like most wild creatures, if they know something's afraid, that's the green light to go get them. But when they don't act afraid, that sort of puts a little fear in their minds. you know, there's something not, there's something we can't just walk in and do on this situation. They're not running. They're not afraid.

Why? And I'm sure from, you know, past experience with human beings, they must know that. They realize that. So it's probably in our best interest, you know, and I tell people, if you're out in an area and you think there's a Sasquatch around you, pretend they're not there. Don't act afraid. Don't acknowledge them. Yeah.

You know, of course, they walk right into your camp. But then, you know, you can't really go taking off running or doing anything anyway because, like I said, you're not going to outrun one. I mean, that's obvious. And there's really not a whole lot you can do other than, you know, try to stay on your ground. For humans, that does work occasionally with other species as well. And it's proven to work with these things. Now that may not work every time, but what else are you going to do? Yeah.

I think that's kind of what saved our rear that night. Yeah, I'm sure it is. you know, we did, I mean, a month being completely dumbfounded and trying to figure out what the heck we're seeing, we did remain calm. Like West said, we didn't make a bunch of noise. We didn't start shooting guns. And I think that's pretty much what saved us. Yeah. On a side note, on the side note, you know what's kind of funny, Will?

Wes kind of left this part out. But when we were sitting in the car and we originally see that big, the big black one come walking from the right to the left across the road. And then I had mentioned that it went behind the tree and it was doing this peek-a-boo thing kind of with us. Right. At that point, I had said, West, should I start the car and hit it? And he goes, and Wes goes, what the hell is wrong with you? That thing's blocking the road. We drive up there. The thing can flip the car over. What is, what are you thinking? He was all over me. So it was kind of funny. I'm like, okay, you're right. We'll just sit here. So, but yeah, I mean, it was a, these creatures are amazing. I mean, it's something, it's something that I've ever seen before and I'm fully involved in an end. I want to know more and, you know, I appreciate you spending time with Wes and I because passing on down what you know and getting your input and all lot of stuff because I don't have to be convinced that these creatures are out there anymore.

I know they are. I've seen it firsthand. Yeah, and that's my take too is, you know, I know I don't have to convince myself or anybody else. I'm more in the point of looking for more answers, you know, than trying to go out and just convince the world. There's a lot of people that want to do that. And I think it's because, number one, they've never seen.

seen one and their motivations are not all what they're saying. I can't say that for certain, but it seems to be the case time and again. You know, there's lots of people out there looking for, you know, a lot of attention. And a lot of us who have actually seen one don't really care about the attention. No, and I would agree with you. It's not so much about the tension. It's, I want to know more. You know what I mean? I reach out to all these different people and talk to people because I want to increase my knowledge of it. I'm just like, you know, I'm fully involved in it now. And, yeah, it's not about the attention.

It's about somewhat keeping my sanity to know that what I saw was actually there and why, you know? Yeah, exactly. That's what I tell myself, there's more to this than just what's at face value that's put out in the public. There's a lot more to it. And I want to get to the bottom of it. That's always been my whole take.

Yeah, me too. I mean, and like less than I have said before, you know, unless you've actually seen one, it's really hard to kind of describe to somebody with all the emotions that are going on and what you've seen. It's night and day difference, you know, an investigator questioning somebody that has never seen one,

as opposed to those of us that have seen one, and it's an instant rapport with somebody, you know how, like when we first talked, you know, there was that instant report. I know what you saw, you know what I saw. It's just an instant connection, and I don't know how people who have seen one talk to somebody who hasn't seen one,

how they can relate that, account and feel satisfied afterwards. I would definitely agree with you on that. I've talked to a lot of people that a lot of these research teams that, after talking to them, I'm pretty convinced they have no clue what, they've never seen one, they have no clue what I'm talking about. Yeah, it is obvious. I think, yeah, I think we can tell that in a moment.

Yeah. You know, those of us that have had those experiences, we can tell. That's pretty much all I had for you guys, for you fellas. I was going to try and play the Cowman story. Monday morning, sometime of July, John was several hours late for work. This was highly unusual, as he was always there early, getting the saws and trucks ready for the day. My dad said he was visibly shaken up,

and when he asked him what was wrong, he asked my dad to go into the office so the others wouldn't hear them. They went in and sat down, and John simply said, something destroyed our house this weekend. My dad thought he said someone broke into the house and asked John if it was someone he knew. John said, you don't understand. This wasn't a person.

It was a... I don't know what it was, but it was completely trashed the house. Family is going to have to stay with my brother in Elma for a while. My dad asked him to explain what had happened. That when he got home from work, Friday evening, his youngest son, Tim, was around four at the time, told him he saw a big cowman walking at the edge of their field that afternoon.

He thought the boy meant cowboy, because some of the neighbors wore cowboy hats when they were out in the sun. He asked him if the man was wearing a cowboy hat, and the boy said, No, Daddy, he was a cowman, furry and sneaky like the cows. He asked his wife if he knew what he was talking about, and she said Tim was playing on the porch that afternoon when he came running in and said the cabman was stuck on the fence. He was very excited, so he went out to see what he was talking about.

She said, as she opened the door, she was hit by a horrible smell like wet dogs and garbage. Tim was pointing across the field opposite their house, and said he got loose. She looked where he was gesturing and could see the top strand of the barbed wire bouncing up and down, as if somebody had just pulled it really hard and let it go.

She didn't see the cowman and noticed nothing out of the ordinary except for the smell. She told Tim to come inside and play for the rest of the day. She felt uneasy and a little scared. Their older son, John Jr., who was 12 at the time,

was at a front house and walked home a short while after Tim saw the cowman. He told her somebody had followed him home walking in the woods off the right side of the road. He never saw who it was. He never left the woods, but it said it had to be a really big man. He would hear large sticks cracking and his footsteps were very heavy. Once he got to the driveway at the house where the wood stopped at the field where his brother had the siding, the footsteps stopped. John Jr. never saw anything.

He was pretty shaken up by the event. He wanted his dad to go out in the woods and check it out. with him. Later that evening, John strapped on his 3.57 and took his older son out into the field to have a look. They first walked around the area where the cowman was supposedly stuck on the fence and walked down on the fence line looking for nothing, for anything. They come upon a large clump of long reddish brown hair tangled in the top of the barbed wire. He tried to pull it off as it was tangled up, so he pulled out his buck knife and cut it off. He said the hair was over a foot long, roll coarse, and stringy. There appeared to be a bit of flesh matted on the clump. into the top wire was pulled loose from one of the posts.

Whatever was hung up on the fence was very big. He handed the hair to his son to hold, and they climbed through the fence and walked down towards the woods. He said he was looking for any side of tracks on the ground. The hair kind of looked like it was from a horse's mane or tail. The ground was a solid grassy field, there were no hoof prints or any other tracks he could see. The edge of the woods began about ten feet from the fence line, line and they entered in a small game trail that deer frequented. It was around 8 o'clock at night, and in the woods it was getting to be fairly dark. They walked for a ways and soon began to smell

the rotting garbage, wet dog odor, his wife reported earlier. John said he got back, he got the feeling that they were being watched, the hair on the back of his neck, was standing up. He told the son they should head back before it got dark. As they began walking back out, they could hear the heavy footsteps off to the left. They stopped and the footsteps stopped. They walked nearer to the clearing and John whispered to his son to run like hell to the house on the count of three. John Jr. nodded and John whispered one, two, three. He gave his son a push in the back to get him started. He spun around and raised off to the trail the opposite direction toward the footsteps with his gun drawn. He hit the trail and ran as fast as he could towards the clearing, all the while hearing the

creature trashed the brush on his side. He burst into the clearing and looked frantically for his son. John Jr. was standing just inside of the fence field, waiting for his dad. John screamed at him to run into the house, then he saw the thing crash out of the wood, about 50 feet to his left. It crossed a 10-foot clearing and stepped over the fence in two strides, and was running through the field parallel to his son in a matter of seconds. John screaming at his son to run faster

and took aim at the creature He didn't fire because he was afraid to hit his son or his house So he bolted over the fence and ran in pursuit of him He could see it angling towards the sun And knew there was no way his boy would make it to the gate Before I cut him off In desperation he pointed the gun to the ground With the side and fired as it ran

Hoping to scare it If you're more sharply towards the sun It put on an enormous burst of speed He heard his voice scream as they seemed to collide. He saw the creature dip its shoulder down a little bit and suddenly John Jr. was airborne. He flew about 10 feet, then hit the ground rolling. The creature never paused. It continued to run at amazing speed and I loop back towards the house to the wood.

Once the line of fire was clear, John stopped and squeezed off the remaining five rounds as a retreating creature. He was pretty sure all the shots went wild, but the creature never made his sound or slowed down. and he was soon over the fence and back into the wood. He reached his son who was shaken up but not physically hurt, and he asked the stand if it was a barrack. Apparently little John was so busy running for the house, and he didn't see the creature running after him. He said something big and black suddenly ran into him,

and he felt a huge paw at his bottom, and he said it felt like he was falling. John pulled his son to his feet and then ran to the gate, and into the house locking the door behind him. They were both out of breath and as wide as goat. His wife was screaming at him demanding you to know what the gunshots were for and if they were all right When he could catch his breath he told her to make sure the back door was locked He went back to call the sheriff He went to the phone and began to dial the number. This was before 9-1-1

Then stopped and wondered what exactly he was going to say He hung up the phone realizing what an idiot looked like to tell the sheriff office that the buggy man just chased them out of the wood He told his wife that it was a large animal possibly a bearer He didn't know how to begin to tell her that her four old son was right. His cowman was real and it was more frightening than anything he could imagine. He told them to keep all the windows and doors locked and stay away from the windows. At around 10 o'clock at night both boys were in bed and John his wife sat down to watch the news. They soon heard a loud moaning cry, kind of like the siren on the volunteer fire department.

It would stretch out for a long time and the man was a whoop, whoop, whoop! sound. It was coming from the woods opposite the house. His wife asked, what the hell is that? John answered truthfully, that is Tim's cowman. He then described to her the full details of what had happened, and she immediately wanted to call the sheriff's department. He persuaded her that that would be crazy or would sound crazy, and that he would handle it himself. She reluctantly agreed. and told them that she didn't want either of the kids to go outside until this thing was gone. The heling went on until around midnight. When it got quiet again, John wanted to stay up through the night and watch over the house,

but he had a long day at work, and the excitement earlier had warned him out. They went to bed around one in the morning, and she had no further problems that night. They slept in that morning, and the boys were already up and watching cartoons when they got out of bed. The first thing little John said was that he heard the barrel rub and he got the house last night. He said he was too scared to get up until his parents and fell back asleep soon after. Then Tim said, The cowman talks funny. This stopped John Cold. He asked the son, when did you talk to the cowman?

Tim replied last night in my room. John asked the cowman was in your room? No, Daddy. He's too big for my room. He talked to my window, Tim said, and turned back to his cartoons. What did the cowman say to him? John asked. He talks funny. I don't know what he said.

He talked like this. Uh-uh-uh, Tim said. And started making strange monkey-like noises. Did the counten try to get into your window? John asked, breaking out in a cold sweat. He's too big for that. He made funny faces.

He has Lincoln log teeth, Tim said, with a smile. John later learned Tim met it had square teeth that looked the same size as the small blocks in a Lincoln log set. It apparently spent quite a while talking and making faces outside the boy's window. Tim said it lay down and went to sleep outside and he could hear it snoring. John walked to his younger brother's son's room and cautiously peered out of the window. No sleeping cowman.

John told his boys to get dressed. They were going to go visit their uncle in Elma for the day. Before they went to bed, before they went to bed, he went into their bedroom and was held from his wife, pushed the king-sized bed as far from the windows as they could. They agreed that his wife and kids would all sleep in that bed for the night, and he would keep watch around the house. She had grown up hunting and knew how to handle a gun as good as him, so she insisted on keeping the shotgun in the room with them.

He agreed. There was a full moon that night, and John could see it as a field across into the inky dark of the woods. The night air was filled with a sound of thousands of crickets, and the pond behind the house was full of crows. As the moon rose higher, clumps the weeds in the field began casting sinister shadows. And before long John was seeing a big hairy creature sneaking up on him in each of them. He stood up a cigarette, trying to shake the fear and concentrate on the task at hand,

and he smoked and wandered to the end of the porch. Instead looking at the darkened barn, something was different, but you couldn't quite place it. The front of the barn was facing the house was open, and the moon was was hitting it from the side, casting the interior in deep shadows. He stood watching the black opening as he finished his smoke, thinking about the missing pigs. He then realized what was wrong. All the crickets and frogs had gone silent and it was quiet. As you turned to walk back through the chair, he thought he saw a moment in the barn.

He looked intensely at the opening and could not make out anything, then turned his head bit to the side and saw what he looked like two red eyes hovering about eight hours. feet off the ground. He couldn't see them if he looked straight at them, but when he had burned his eyes a little, they become much clearer. They were a deep burning coal red, almost invisible in the dark. Every few seconds they would disappear when the creature blinked. His heart began thudding in his chest, and he waited for it to leave the barn and approached a house. He slowly backed up to his chair, never looking away, and picked up his 30-odd-6. He walked back to the end of the porch and watched and waited.

He stood looking at the blinking red eyes for what seemed like hours, and then the eyes would blink out and never come back. He watched intently but could see no movement. He thought for a moment, then he grabbed the flashlight and shined it at the barn. The flashlight was too small to penetrate the darkness at the barn from this distance. He had to get much closer. He was none too keen about leaving his relative safety of the porch confronting a glow-eyed monster in his barn,

but he was damned if he was going to live in fear in his own house. He left the porch and began slowly working his way toward the barn, taking his time, building his courage up. He got closer and could still see no movement. He had gone further into the dark. He got within 20 feet of the opening, and a flash light would now penetrate the gloom in the barn. He moved the feeble beam of light over the contents of the barn,

an old tracker and old pickup boxes and buckets. Too many places were something to hide, even something big. He cautiously walked closer, now shining a flashlight down the barrel of his rifle. He stopped at the entrance and shined the light all over, stretching the corners and under the vehicles. He stepped into the barn, every sense straining for a sound or a movement. He walked around the pickup, tempting for a huge hairy arm to reach out and grab him at any second.

He made his way clear to the rear of the barn without seeing anything and slowly turned around to leave. He felt both relieved, not to have it encountered it in the dark and, especially in the barn, and frightened and somewhat confused about where it could have gone. As he was walking out, he glanced on the wide stairs leading up to the haylop and then froze. He knew with completely certainty that it had climbed up those stairs and was waiting for him to walk out under the hayloft and jumped down upon him. He couldn't move. He was literally frozen at fear. He swore he could hear the floorboard softly creaking above him as the enormous weight-edged

stealthy closer to the edge. He stood there with his heart pounding in his ears, unable to move or act. Suddenly there was the booming explosion of a shotgun from the house, followed by his wife screaming. His paralysis broke and he bolted out of the barn towards the house, completely forgetting what made him see or even look in the hayloft. As he ran towards the house, he heard an inhuman war coming from the woods behind his house. It sounded pissed off and in pain. It screamed again, and you hear Bram, as much as breaking as it plowed through the forest, thankfully away from the house. He got to the house and almost knocked down the front door in his hurry to get inside. He ran in the hall in the bedroom and found his family huddled together on the bed, sobbing.

One of the windows was blown out and his wife was still pointing the shotgun at it. When he burst into the room, he swung the gun in the direction and screamed and he hit the floor. He waited for the blast but it didn't come. He slowly stood up and she had put the gun down and he went in and he went in and he and he went into the bed. He asked her, Why did it happen? But she was too shook up to answer just then.

Tim started crying. Why did you shoot the cowman, Mommy? Why? John Jr. had his face buried against her shoulder crying. After they calmed down for a bit, he told them to get up and follow him. He led them to the living room, then out on the open front door and looked carefully around.

He could see no sign of it. It was all quiet again. He told them to come out and get in the car. They ran in her pajamas and popped into the car. He got in and drove to his brother's house at Elmer. On the way there, they had calmed down enough to tell him what happened. She said a couple hours after they went to bed, she finally dozed off. She was awakened by Tim talking to someone, and this bizarre, clicking chirping sound.

Tim wasn't in bed. He was standing in front of one of the windows. The moonlight was shining through both windows, illuminating the room pretty good. But there was a large shadow, like a tree obscuring the wind. window in front of Tim. She neither were no trees close enough to cast a shadow like that. She told it to get away from the window. Mommy, listen.

The cowman can sound like a bird, Tim said, pointing excitedly at the dark figure in the window. Timmy, get away from the window, she said, trying to keep her voice quiet. Right after she spoke, the noises from outside changed, it from a soft chirping to a strange gibbering, almost like human speech-like, with an occasional pig-like snort. found thrown in with it. At this time, little John woke up and said, what is that? Rather loudly, this seemed to inside the creature. It hit the side of the house with its fist, hard enough for the walls to tremble. This little John screamed and yelled, quiet, or are you going to scare him away? She yelled at Tim to get away from the window again,

and reached up on the headboard and grabbed the shotgun. She got out of bed and started towards Tim. The creature leaned in and down and looked straight in the window at her. She screamed to the shotgun, or afraid to shoot. Because her son was so close to it, she started toward Tim to grab him, and there was an explosion of breaking glass. A gigantic hairy arm reached through the window

toward her son. She screamed again and fired over. Tim's head blowing out of the rest of the window and hitting the creature with double off buckshot. It jerked out backwards out of the window and disappeared into the dark. A few seconds later, she heard it screaming in the woods. It was trying to get Tim. It was trying to get

my baby. She started crying again, and comforted her as best he could while she was driving. They stayed the rest of the night and the following night with his brother's family. He told his family about it, but couldn't see he definitely didn't really believe them. He agreed to ride back to John's house with him every Monday morning before work. They had left the front door open in their haste to leave, and he was afraid of animals or mandals that it would have gotten into the house. When they arrived the house, the house looked like a tornado had gone through it.

The couch was upside down. They had a large heavy console TV, and it was apparently thrown across the living room, lying in a spray of broken glass. The kitchen was trashed, the refrigerator knocked over, and food was everywhere. The doors to both of the boys' rooms were left closed, and the rooms were untouched, same as the bathroom. The master bedroom was tore apart, the pillow was ripped up, feathers everywhere, chest of drawers was knocked over, and a large mirror smashed. John's brother looked around and awed and said, You better call the police. John looked at him and said, and tell them what? Bigfoot destroyed my house.

They left and closed the front door at this time and drove to my dad's mill in Aberdeen. John's brother waited in the car while John went in and told this to my dad. After he was done, my dad said, well, let's go back and have a look at this sentence. They drove back to the house and John showed my dad the damage. He pulled a clump of hair out of his shirt pocket and let my dad look at it. As they were walking through the house, removing the damage, my dad pointed out cracks in the ceiling where it had apparently stood up and hit its head. John told my dad that this couldn't live here, we couldn't live here anymore.

And even if the creature was gone, they would always be afraid. Their homeowner's insurance wouldn't cover the damage. They just reclaimed that John might have gone in a drunken rage. My dad helped them find a place in Aberdeen and gave him a loan for new furniture and stuff. The house was eventually fixed up and sold, and my dad never heard about another problem there. That people should have in the back of their minds when they want to go out running around the woods looking for a big foot, they ought to read some of them. I used to tell people there was an old film.

It was from the 70s called Snow Beast. And I've got it on disc somewhere. It's a little cheesy, but it's in, you know, it's a Colorado ski lodge, and they've got a big foot that's eating people there. And I used to tell people, I said, I want that as my training film with new people in the group because they need to have that mentality when they're going out. No doubt.

No doubt. But stories like that one, Kelly. and that one is exactly right in line with that. And I've been trying to put more of those type of stories on my blog, you know, to sort of give it that flavor. So people understand this isn't all, you know, this isn't Harriet Henderson and they need to get away from that thinking. Yeah.

No, it's like your encounter that you're talking about with the hunter, with the hunter being lured in. That's why I say, if someone ever went out and shot one, they better have a backup plan and a backup plan, plan and a backup plan on how they're going to get the body out because these things aren't just dumb deer running around, you know, they're intelligent. You might see the individual one doesn't mean they don't have other members of their group.

I used to be, I used to thinking because, you know, the old timers, it was always almost always a solitary creature being seen. Well, they didn't understand that was just the one individual of a group and a groups are usually four to six members. You know, they're probably just a breeding family group. in a range and they're spread out. You know, instead of feeding together, they're spread out so they can get the most food, you know, value

from what they're getting. You know, so if you were to shoot one, see, here's something else too. They use, I found they use sentries. A lot of primates use sentries. In other words, they've got one that's kind of paying attention to predators that may approach the others while they're feeding. Now, these guys, because they're spread out,

when they screen, that's what they're doing. They're alerting the other ones in that area, that feeding area, that there's a predator when it's usually people in that area. So they're telling them, hey, there's, we got a threat, you know, be on guard, basically. See, these other guys, they just don't have a clue. Nobody looks at behavior. Nobody even thinks about why they're doing what they do. They run around looking, it always drives me crazy.

You run around looking for tracks and all this other bullshit. And tracks are fine. That just tells you, it helps you identify individuals. And they do all this other BS without realizing why they're doing what they're doing. It's like a Yakult when I found it to the tracks of the young ones. There were three other sets of investigators, quote-unquote, that went there before I got there. Nobody even thought about why the Sasquatch was,

had its arms spread out to its sides, palms forward, herding young Nick back to the house. It could have caught him. It was just trying to make him go back that direction. Did it twice. So I said, well, anybody go down to that in the line where this thing was gone? They said, no, they didn't even care. I said, you mind if I look?

So we went down and sure enough under a big downed cottonwood tree, there was a dried pool with some dirt there, and I found all kinds of tracks where the two young ones were hiding in this location. I said, there you go, that's what it was doing. It was keeping the threat away from the young ones. It was pretty common sense to me, but nobody else asked those questions. They didn't care what it was doing. They only wanted footprints or whatever else they could take away with it to make themselves look like they knew what they were talking about. Yeah, and that makes sense.

I mean, that makes sense why I would be hurting him away from the younger ones. Have you heard the roaring before, Will? Oh, yeah. Woody and I went back up, probably a month later. Yeah, no, it scared us, too. It was about a month later, and we went back up, and it sounded just like a lying, just roaring. Like something you see on TV, the lying war.

It's similar, yeah. And you can just... It's deeper and louder. It's way deeper. Yeah, way deeper and way louder. But we hear the... thing just roaring and I remember telling Woody like it sounds like an African lion to me I don't know what it is I've never heard that out in the forest out

here no there's no weather animals that makes that noise in the northwest yeah that the only I can liking it to is like a lion roaring though even bear noises aren't like that not even close no not even the same caliber and this thing was probably what would he two three miles maybe away from us maybe two miles away from us Maybe not that far be a mile away from us. It's hard to tell. It's hard to tell. But it sounded like it was three, four hundred feet away from the car just roaring at the car.

I mean, it almost vibrated our car. And I know it was farther away. It wasn't that close to us. But you could just hear the thing just going off. It's usually some kind of a pissed off noise. It's not because when they're hunting, they'll imitate other animals. The Indians call the ventriloquist, but that was a wrong translation to English. It was that they imitate.

And that's what we found, you know, the state trooper I know up and when the Puyall of Screamer thing was going on. He got the crap scared out of him one time. And he was a big guy. And he took his out six and he tracked. There were the three Sasquards, the same ones that I found the tracks of the very first time back in 72, which was only, you know, six, seven miles away from where he found this. And what he found was he tracked him and he found this spot where there were coyote bodies torn to pieces all over. And what they had done was they were imitating coyote noises.

and they were luring him in, and when the coyotes got close enough where it was too late to run, they would snatch them up by their hindquarters and ate, 10 feet off the ground. They were smashing their heads on the alder trees, and they were eating them. They were tearing apart, eating him. And he said, it scared him so badly he low crawled out of there, hoping they wouldn't detect him. And this was a Washington State trooper. I mean, when he told me that, I was just like, oh, my God. So we knew that that's what they were doing.

And I've heard him, I couldn't even begin to tell you, I've never documented. how many different types of noises I've heard these things make. Back in 89, 90, they were, every night they'd come down off Yakult Mountain just screaming, bellowing. And that noise was so loud it would just revere. It was incredible. And they weren't afraid. They didn't care if anybody saw them. You know, on the backside of that mountain where we had our encounter, there's like multi-million dollar homes.

Oh, yeah. And I've talked about maybe going up there and talking to them, because you know they've heard things. You know they've seen things. I'm sure things have happened up there and I thought about going to it'd be kind of interesting to go up and talk to some of them if they you know once you go up and start talking to people at least out here they're pretty willing to talk to you about things yeah you know what I'm talking about me yeah yeah no I do yeah it would be on the would be the north side of that mountain is that right yeah

it'd be on the north side yeah the other side but you know they've seen things you know they've heard things around that yeah it's amazing you know I can't remember what year it was somebody told me from that area. You know where the little baseball field is downtown? They had some kind of a little kids, I don't know if it was Little League or something, but the bleachers were full of people this one afternoon. And somehow one of these things come down right behind it. Somebody noticed the Sasquatch standing in broad daylight, apparently watching the game too, and just scared the hell out of, and there must have been a couple hundred people in those stands. And all these

people saw the thing and they're just like, you know, come down to watch the game or something. But I I thought that was a pretty incredible story, but lots and lots of people seeing these all the way. I was able to track it back to 1925 in that area. Yeah, I think there's maybe more than one group out here. See, the ranges either overlap or they're very close right over there. And the big gray one that I saw, that was another group, a different group, that's a little bit farther east, more on the Washugel River, heading east that direction. But there's a couple of big ones in that group, too.

Yeah, I'd be an or something to go talk to some of these people and see see what they know, find out what they know, especially up there on Yackold Mountain, because there's a lot of crap that goes on out there. Yeah, like I said, that area has been the focus. These things, like I, I knew people whose families were in that area back in the mid-20s, and they said even back then they seemed to focus on Yack Old Mountain. I wonder why that area, why that area, I mean... It's kind of the high point, and these guys seem to like, well, you know, it's one of the areas they bed down. They bed down high during the day.

You know, torn ridgetops and things, or actually just below ridge tops, but up high. And then in the nighttime, they come down to the feeding areas, you know, hunting and game trails, things like that. But, and that's what we saw in Yakult. Back then it was every night they would come down from the same area. And then by morning they were gone. They headed back up high. Yeah, I think there's a lot of cover. There's a lot of water and there's a lot of food.

And it's a pain because we tried to go up. Woody and I tried to go up the mountain. And that's a pain end of the, yeah, that's a pain in the level. Lots of training up going up there. It is. It is. It is. I guess it myself numerous times.

That's pretty much all I had, guys. I don't know if you guys have anything else. I don't, I think that's pretty good for this one, huh? And that's our show for tonight. Hope everyone enjoyed the show. We will see everyone next week. Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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