Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:208 Terrifying night out hunting

Episode Date: April 10, 2016

A witness contacted me and says he was hunting with a friend and they were being followed most of the night. They were unsure of what was pacing and following them. As the two hunters were leaving the area, they both turned around and saw a 7-8 foot tall creature looking around a tree at them. The creature did not flinch when they had their lights on him. The witness describes the creature's face looking tired of like it had down syndrome. One of the hunters wanted to run but the men remained calm and slowly backed off and walk out. The witness who was in front said his friend screamed and bolted past him. He said that the creature had grabbed his backup light that was hanging on a cord and shook it.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one, one. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have whipped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given me.

What would you have put him? See ya. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Saskwatronk. A place where people share their accounts.

Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Appreciate you guys showing up. Got a great show plan for you this evening. You're going to be welcoming Dan to the show. And Dan actually has been on the show in the past. It was back, I want to say in the 80s, in the episode in the 80s.

Dan had come on. talked about a roadside crossing he had seen. Very interesting encounter, but he was actually out with a friend of his. They ran into a Sasquatch in the middle of the night. Dan talks about what they ran into, and his friend's pretty shook up about it, which is definitely understandable. But Dan has sent me some of the best footprints photos I've ever seen, tree breaks I've ever seen, just a ton of stuff. And Dan's not really a researcher, but he's just out. This is stuff he runs into when he's out hunting. And he always sends me stuff from time to time. And this encounter happened to these guys just a couple nights ago. And Dan had called me up. We had a long

conversation. So I welcome him back to the show. Very, very fascinating encounter. I really hope you guys enjoy it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you've sent me your encounter in the past, and I haven't responded. Please send me, hey, Wes, give me a call, send me your number. Since we moved servers, I've been trying to keep up with some of the emails, and so it would help me greatly. Again, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show,

shoot me an email, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Well, let's jump right into it tonight. I want to welcome Dan to the show. Dan, thanks for coming on, man. I really appreciate you being here tonight. Hey, not a problem. I'm just glad that maybe I can...

Yeah, no, I'm glad you're here too, and it was an interesting encounter you had the other night. If you would, for the audience, just kind of start from the beginning, tell them what you guys were out doing and just walk them through like you and I talked the other night, Dan. A wildlife management area. We are in Long and goes up into a ridge line.

You know, like I say, the backside buds up in the... Well, the dog striped GPS, the ridge, you know, adjacent to where we're up on the ridge, and there's a road type of mining called Auburnine Mountain Face in the ridges, and they were to the side of the, this is what we were down in there to the right where we were facing. Well, we thought we could get closer if we stayed on the road and went around towards him because the road continued and to run up the high wall and get food. Well, the Garman let you know at one point we got within 400 yards of him, as the Garman show, but the high wall.

You know, I'm talking, holding on the tree roots, grabbing trees, and get up and over. What we get through inside, it's like a whole lot of big boulders. Just unbelievable. But like I said, you know, at that time, I don't think we was on the government land. We were still on the private. And we hear the doggy straight down the point,

start down that way, and I hear something. I hear something behind us, just like a, I don't know, a thump. Maybe I don't know. just, you know, something caught my attention. We continue on down. People being 1976, I kind of went on, but I didn't, so I continued on. Well, we got down, we were going down the point,

larger so we get down to Earth. My buddy says, hey, Dan, your dog. I said, no, what makes you think it's my dog, Dan? He said, it's just, you know how he comes through to look at the garden. Anything fall in saying could be a cat, because we do have cats in the area. We continue on down to get the dog.

My dog got all of a sudden. on something but takes off what I mean he was bawling he was on something and took off running maybe the coon jumped out but my buddy's dog stayed there on the tree well my dog went we get on down to the tree shine the tree over we latch up my buddy's dog we start back i was looking at the skyline and using it as a guide to go back to the well i'm looking at the skyline and i was about the cut side looking 45 years old and i'm stationed in my life where you go if you don't then calm him down he was want to take off in the wrong direction. The thing that gets me away, things are behind us

because I've had experience to try to knock me down, stand up under my legs when they're around. But this dog never even knew it was there. That's very interesting. It's hard to say. It's really hard to say. Yaki said most dogs freak out. They'll either go in attack mode or they want to run.

Most of the time they want to run. They want nothing to do with these things. So you guys turn around. Can you describe for the audience what the face look like? because I thought that part was fascinating. It looked like it was, I had a chance to say. That's how I fell to myself, you know, and I got him because I can't. I wish I could, I could describe it, but I don't really know how to go about it.

I don't know what to say. No, and I understand that. And that's pretty common, because it's hard to, you know, what do you compare it to? It's not like there's a known animal out there to compare it to. Would you say it looked more human-like? Would you say it looked more apish? Just like you would see, the best way I could put it in the steroid places like leather from what I could see. You know what I mean?

Yeah. But it was definitely nothing primate about it. Did the expression change, or what did the creature do when you guys turned around and hit it with the light? Nothing. Looking tight face. It never done nothing because it went from there. He stayed tight, you know, he stayed tight, but he stayed tight to the damn, but he never. I'm kind of at a loss.

I am because I don't know if he heard something to make him turn, don't know. I never ask him that question why he ever, why did he turn around? Because he was already, as soon as he don't know why he turned, but I was turned both lights hit him because we was right dirty. Yeah. You guys turn, you guys see this saying, and you both have your lights on it, your friend starts freaking out. What, what happens next? Give him composed and get straight up through there. We just start, we take off, going out, you know, not, not, no, not, I mean, he was that close to me. No, no more getting around it. I listened, like I say, once we've seen it, got, got him up through that.

How tall do you think the creature was? You know, I'm going to guess between seven and eight feet, and I hope to go back, but. Yeah, no, I understand that. And it's a good thing you kept your friend calm. It's kind of like I was saying, sometimes in these situations, it's kind of, I put it in the same category is kind of dealing with a big cat. Cats are, if you're cool and calm, generally mount lions and large, you know, cougars will leave you alone. The moment you start running, it's just like your household cat. Something clicks in them and they want to chase you.

And I kind of think that's how these creatures are. You know, they might be curious, but the moment you start running, now you've become prey. But you, as you guys were walking out, something kind of interesting happened. Do you want to tell us what happened? certain up the point, you know, and come on, Daniels. Get into the low gap, back up onto what I'll call the Auger Road. Well, the road is clear, but on the sides of the road is very dense. You know, you've got little cedar. No more in one place where it had a little...

Because, like I say, they reclaimed these roads, but they kept them clear for the vehicle to get through. But, well, we're going through there, and all of a sudden, Daniel screams and shoots by me. And I don't mean he run by me, he walked by me. I mean, he comes by me in the air going, oh, my God, oh, my God. I'm like, what's wrong, Daniel, what's wrong? I thought, you know, he might have got snake bit or something. I don't know.

He said, it got me. It got me. And I'm like, walk, walk, walk. He grabbed my light cord. He grabbed my light cord. It almost got me. I said, Daniel, what are you talking about? Well, he says that something grabbed his light cord and not only took it like you would,

a can't spray paint is the way he put it to me. I didn't see it. But oh my goodness, he jumped by I mean, he hit the key He set the alarm off, all kinds of stuff Trying to, you know, just make all kinds of noise And I almost jerked I turned around, looked, there wasn't

nothing there. But I don't know. I didn't like to turn. I had my light on, but where we was at. Yeah, and that does happen, especially after encounter like this. You know, as I was thinking about your encounter the other night, a couple things I was thinking about whatever grabbed him

probably wasn't the same creature. guys saw. It might have been another one as you guys were heading out. My way I seen, I live in the rang of tang, but darker, if that makes any sense to you. Yeah, that does make sense. It's interesting. A couple of things about the encounter fascinating. I think a lot of people, just so they understand, as they're listening to you talk, this wasn't your first rodeo running into these creatures. You know, some people listening might think, well, why is this guy so calm? And you've had, like you said, you had encounters. I've had you on the show in the past. And I haven't posted them yet, but you know, you've sent me some pretty good footprints that you're finding out in that area.

I mean, some of the best footprints I've ever seen some fresh footprints, too, that you're finding out in the areas you go hunting. Did your friend not believe in this be prior to this, or is it just a shell shock for him? Oh, yeah, he was. And in Montana working together, and, you know, I would ask questions. You know, they would laugh at me. He was one of them to make fun at me. And that was my nickname, Bigfoot, because I'm not a researcher by no means, but like I said, I've known about, and from me, by no means, know anything.

And that's not the first time that I've had people with me that were skeptics, and by the time we got back home, they were believing nothing that was pretty. Here while in, we couldn't hunt. They, you know, you would be supposed to. And then he goes to tell me, well, the owner of the property told him that run the gas wells. Had something happened, wouldn't go into detail. So that's the point. Tell me that until I, and he talked to the property owner and then the property owner. What do you think the creature's intention was? I have no idea. I believe he was curious. The dog was, you know,

a good while before we got to him. We were waiting just a high wall and crossed over. I heard something. That's when he stated about my... So I don't know, but now, looking back, anything, anything to survive, It's got everything that you would need because of the lake. You know, you have feelings or you got hayf and there's certain curiosity. That's all. But now, it's about the light cord for something to be that close to you. One thing I'll say about the old thing is I think you, like I said, I think you probably saved your friend's life.

I think if you would have took off running, that would have been it. I think they would have given chase. But I tend to agree with you. I think it might have been curiosity. You know, I talked to a guy who, this happened. It happened in the Northeast, but on the Canadian side. And what had happened was a guy went down to go fishing. I'm trying to get him on the show.

He went down to go fishing. Something had actually gotten into the cabin when he went down there. It's basically just kind of a mountain man's type cabin. Something had gotten into the cabin hadn't really taken in anything, but he saw these muddy footprints. Whatever it was had gotten into his cabin. He was thinking, oh, some guy walking around the mud broke into his, cabin, but he said the feet were huge. And so he goes out, he thinks nothing of it. You know,

he's in his early 20s. He's full of testosterone and thinks if there's a guy out here and he wants to fight, I'll give him a fight. So he gets on his four-wheeler, heads down to go fishing, and he keeps hearing something in the brush. And so he thinks it's probably a bear, decides he, it's enough, reels everything in, gets back on the four-wheeler. And as he's heading out, he said this huge arm reached out. almost like trying to close line him off of the four-wheeler. But he said... Holy!

Yeah, he said the hand was about the size of like a catcher's mitt, and it was this huge hairy arm that stuck out. And he said it wasn't a bear. It was like this huge human-like arm that stuck out to... And so it made me wonder, you know, I mean, if that Sasquatch really wanted him, it could have just easily of taking them off that four-wheeler, and that would have been it.

And it almost makes you wonder, while they mess them with them or they, you know, that makes me wonder about what happened with you guys. If it, I would almost be willing to bet it was another creature that reached out, probably saw that thing dangling and probably thought it was going to snag it, and then it realized it was hooked on, you know, as it was, as he screams, it probably let go, you know, that's what I envision happened.

I don't want to say I've dwelled on it, but I've talked to him, you know, I really want him to disenfranchise about it, you know, and I got to respect his wishes. I mean, he's a, I think in a way, it might have hurt our friendship because of this happened. And I have, finally, he just told me I don't want to talk about it. Ready, let me know because, Wes, I know from a, I would tend to agree with you on that. You know, a lot of people I've talked to on the show have held it in for 20, 30 years. I remember I had this one guy on one time, and he said, Wes, I took up drinking because I didn't want to talk about it.

I thought I could make it go away and just forget it, never happened. and he's like, I basically became an alcoholic because of it. And, you know, and he hadn't spoken. He actually hadn't told anyone his encounter for several years. And after him and I talked, he's like, man, I wish I would have done that years ago. But everyone kind of has to deal with it in their own way. And it's like I told you, if your buddy wants to give me a call off the air, private conversation, that's always opened them.

I'm happy to, not that I'm anyone to talk to, but he's always welcome to give me a call if he just wants to talk. Now, I know you've been finding stuff out in that area when you were hunting. What kind of stuff are you finding? I'm just curious. You talk about tree structures. I know you've sent me some really good footprints I need to put up on the blog. But what kind of stuff are you finding out there? Well, places 25-foot inches of diameter laying horizontally in the trees.

And I don't mean, I mean, these were placed there. And I've got pictures of those. I've got pictures placed ways of people. It would take four or five men to do what. I say, I'm not over. I'm no expert. It's just I have been aware. And I have something I'd like to share with you, Wes. I think it was right with me. And another friend's got a technique where he trains a lot of dogs.

He's got a tractor tire knelt up on a tree. Well, this is a pretty good feeder that he's had, and he's kept it going for a while. So he goes up one morning and it's empty and he fills it that night. I've got a couple young dogs with me, a couple pups. He's got his old dog. I'll leave the pups to get the old dog to tree. local distanced her through. He said, now, come on, Kate.

He walks her, and he casts her again. This time she goes, and she gets up under the truck. So he gets her, and he said, now, I ain't going to put up with this, Kate. He thought she was being a little laundry. So we walk her out there, and you walk out behind this. It looks like a playground. Looks like a playground. There's so many little limbs, eight, nine feet tall, leaning against trees.

And this was on a bench where the feeder was, and he and his dog is cowering by him the whole time. That's why I said what this dog done. other night that made sure and buy him and I know that to be true he's had he's you know he didn't know that she would get after but he's turned her and she struck by well she's scared and the feeder I think he said almost 30 pound a class of golf balls up to baseballs were put in place of it and I witnessed this I witnessed just my horn was gone and something had placed and I say something had placed rocks from golf balls to the side maybe softball might be one of the biggest ones in that same tire. That give him the willies and cut the dog loose, so she stayed there waiting.

He loads her up and free. There's no wind at the conglary. I don't mean a limb. He thought he heard something over there. And I'm talking a small tractor tire. He said he put 30 pounds. But that night on, he started relating stories to me where he hunted a lot by himself many times. He's no longer a skit. No, I'm glad you did. And that's an amazing story. You know, it's, I would have, I would have been watching that dog the whole time. You know, the dog reacting that way. I'd been like, it's time to go. This dog's freaking out. You know what I mean? But it's interesting you say that. I had another hunter who I just recently spoke to, and he said, something had taken all of his deer feed out and filled it full of rocks. I don't know if it was a tire or what he was using for the deer feeder.

But he told me the same thing. He goes, I've never seen one of these creatures. He goes, but I filled it full of a lot of feed for a deer. And he goes, I came back the next day and all the feed was gone. And it was full of rocks. And I'd never. heard that before you just told me that. Well, that solidifies what I, my, my suspicion the whole time. I mean, the structures that I've seen on that flat, it's like a little bench for about probably 70, 80 feet there, and it looked like a playground. That's the best way I could put it with.

And he swore to me, you know, that he didn't, he didn't notice that. He taught with a TP structure. You know, I had, it had been a little bit before we'd hunted in there, and, you know, I don't know what it had been previously. But now he swore to me that he didn't remember it being like that when he'd come in that morning because he was getting ready. And it freaked him out when the corn was gone and all the rocks were there. And then when I seen that, I had missed anything like that before in my life.

But I know he wouldn't lying to me by the way he was talking to me. I've known him all my life since he was four years. He put 30 pound of whole corn and our seed corn. And it was all. The tree part, you know, we never heard nothing. He said he did. the tree part, the tree being pushed over, no wind, that was definitely, that was, that was, that, no, I bet, you know, hearing trees fall. And, you know, trees fall sometimes in the forest, but it just kind of adds to everything else that happened. And it's pretty rare that trees just kind of topple over, you know, like you said, unless there's major wind or whatever. It makes you wonder what you guys were in the middle of, you know, especially at the way that dog was acting. I get, I get ridiculed a little bit because I don't want to go hunting. by myself, you know, at night and stuff.

I have to go back to some of these places that I've held at me. And I've reached out to if I could just get all the guys that believe now that's been, which is my one buddy, he don't want, he don't even want so much. I'm not going to do this on my own. I've learned a long time ago. It's not wise to be in the woods by yourself at night. It's not wise because you can bet. Yeah, you're right.

You're absolutely right. What part of the country are you, and you don't have to give the exact location? I'm the Eastern, well, I don't care the time. I live in Eastern Kentucky with. You have some good evidence. You have some of the best evidence, you know, some of these researchers I think would die for with some of the footprints. And it's interesting to look at some of the footprints you sent me

because they have that Fred Flintstone kind of a boxy look to them that you'll see out here in the Pacific Northwest, you know, very, not square, square is not a great word to use, but just real boxy looking. big huge toes and that's kind of what we find here in the Pacific Northwest. I know if you get down to like Texas, they're a little bit skinnier, they're not quite as big, or as wide at least. Stuff I could share, you know, send you some pigs and stuff and share with you, West, if you would want me to.

And I have, you know, there's a lot of stuff that I think people might find interesting. You know, I'm not here, I know, I don't try to make anyone believe. I don't try to do anything like that. It's just, I'm a. wire what we're dealing with. I catch a lot of flag, you know. And sometimes when I'm hunting, when I get out of the vehicle, I'll see what kind of feeling I get before I go any further.

And I know that sounds crazy, but I've been in situations. Yeah, no, that's not crazy at all. I know exactly what you mean. And it's, I don't know what that is. I can't put my finger on what that is, but I know exactly what you mean. Because I do the same thing. Sometimes I'll go into areas and I'm just, I feel fine. and then sometimes the hair on the back of my neck is going,

and I can't tell you why I haven't seen anything yet, hadn't heard anything yet, I just don't like the area and don't want to be there. It's a weird feeling, isn't it? It is. I know it found out on the bank one day and got bit by copperhead, and it made me sick as a dog, and I know a lot of people might not believe this,

but I have witnesses. I wasn't taken to the hospital. It was 22 hours, and you would just have to know my upbringing. Now, it's like you can almost sense one of snakes around. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. Yeah. I don't know if it's a fight or fly or a six sense that we have, but in situations, you know, you don't know. Yeah, and you know, in the area that you're in, you know, those Sasquatches has probably watched you guys on several occasions at night hunting. Does it ever change your mind? Do you ever stop and go, God, I'm not going out there anymore? You know what I mean?

I'm, I'm, there's been a mountain that goes on before me. My dad used to talk about when they were, they were teenagers that in the mountains and stuff. And my mother, she used to talk about, they would go to the theater, it was dirt road, and could share the thud. There's so much here. And I want to say it's not, I don't want to say untouched, but unnoticed. I'd say if anybody that had the, I'm sure not unnoticed in certain areas, but explained. Like I say, I'm an old blames of researcher. What goes on, I can show.

make my way down to Kentucky. I'd love to see just one of the pictures you've sent me. You know, it's, it's, there's definitely some stuff going on in those, in those woods. And it's interesting to, you know, a lot of times in those areas, not, I've never been to Kentucky, but I know like in the south, for some reason, a lot of those people up in the hills and, you know, country folks, they just, they don't talk about it. I mean, if you can kind of pin them down and, and, and talk to them, They'll talk to you about it, but they're not real open about what's going on, but they're very aware of it. One told me not a mountain line or anything else. Most of the people, but it's just a way of life.

That's why you don't hear too much about it. You know, it's land. You know, the county has got a lot of government land, especially a lot of land on the... Yeah, I really need to make a trip to Kentucky. I'd love to see what you're seeing, and that's why I was impressed with some of your footprints, your photographs of the footprints. You know, I photographed footprints before, and in person, you're like, wow, this is amazing. And then you get pictures of it, and the pictures don't look that great. And you're like, oh, man, this looks so good in person.

But I know the ones you got were crystal clear. Well, I showed you, the reasoning behind that is he keeps drummed dog food up something, drummed dog food out, taking the ring off, 25 feet away from a play show. And he thought it was a bear. Now, who was this? This is me about it, and that's... You've already kept walking, got the camera ready, and jumped around. Now, I'm not saying anything other than one smaller and one larger.

I'm not one of those that determinator. Yeah, I'll have to go back and look at that one. This person had dog food that was being eaten constantly, and that's where you got the footprints. And that's a pretty big Sasquatch, because those footprints are huge. Did he have anything else going on around the property, besides the dog food being eaten? Oh, yeah.

Hitting on the side of the house location, a good friend of mine called me. He said, hey, I need you to come up here because he knows, you know, that I'm aware of this, at the mouth of this hot, and they had mined it years ago and left it, you know, and there's a nice pond. He's got a beautiful place up all the way he developed it.

Well, he had this big spruce beside the pond. This is not a mile from the footprint area. He had this big spruce beside the pond. He called me to come up there. He went up to the pond because something had stole a couple of his chicken. He had games. You get up there just like you would make a nest, just like you would see. They're all turned up, mind you, not down, turned up, laid in almost a complete circle.

I mean, just in a perfect. Out of those spruce bows, big piles of it. Go, maybe five just not of that. He had a white German shepherd that he really contacted me to go talk to them. We start talking. I don't blame him. He ride motorcycles back in there because this butt's up. They would go back in a one day and luckily got away.

Like I say, this is a lot of active. I figure this out with, I know it sounds crazy, but I'm starting to gather some of it. Yeah, no, and it does come together. It starts to come together as a puzzle, you know, like you're putting together a puzzle piece and a little bit of information. It is. It's like putting together puzzles. Best way to put it.

The guy with the dog food, does he still have activity going on? today? Yes. 30-mile radius west, five, six different locations of five or six different. You know, like I say, structure, so to speak, or different. And I never thought nothing about it,

but sometimes it would be the most subtle thing that you would see, and most people would not even think nothing of it. And I guess it's said, I don't want to say no one, but after learning some things, you know, the better. No one in the world is better than Coles or No Jim King

or. They, I've heard, them countless times talk about the way they learned it, you know, to trial in error, I guess you could say. Well, some of the stuff that I've learned, I get, we'll be, say, going to a tree or we'll be walking along the road and I'll stop and I'll see a tree break. Oh, no, that ain't nothing, that ain't nothing. Don't start having my life. I mean, he thinks it's all in my mind. And there's no change in his on that. You see this tree twist, it twists to the right here, say, for instance, in Kentucky, well, let me show you a picture of this same kind of tree twist in Washington State.

Now, you want to tell me that's all in my mind. You know, he's a big skeptic. But anyways, you know, that learning stuff, but no means. I'm not any kind of research or nothing. It's just after you learn stuff and you don't go looking for it, but when you notice it, you know, just because you know it exists, you know what might make that stuff, I get rid of cute for that.

Like I tell you, it goes on. Like one thing it goes on in this area, 15 miles from here, five miles from here, I've got something else going on that's totally different. Does that make sense? Yeah, that does make sense. I'm curious, the next time you see those tree twists, will you take a look and let me know if they're pointing towards water, just out of curiosity?

You know, there's one case is next to a local high school here. It breaks seven feet, I'd say. the same direction, long point to a really, and close to there, and the dogs got over in there, I noticed it, you know, and the area I'm talking about, the same area. Yeah, that's really interesting. I know the tree break thing,

I haven't figured that out by any means, but, you know, back when I was hunting, I know me and my brothers would go into areas, and if you get, you're in an unfamiliar area and you don't want to get lost, what we would do is we'd break, you know, like little bushes, and that would be our way of if you come across it again.

Certainly we do that. You know, like I say, if we're in an area and we're going, the dogs are treating, we're going into them, and we want to make sure we come out the same way. You know, I know exactly what. And I don't know if that's what they're doing. I've heard that they're pointing them towards water or food. Real generally, if you see those, they're all in one direction,

and it's usually going towards water and food. I don't know if that's true or not. But it made me think of, like when I was hunting, just like you were saying, Dan, I mean, you're out in areas. You'll see hunters do that. They'll break bushes. They'll break.

That way when you come back, you know where you're at. You know you've done that. Yeah. Making pictures of some twigs. Like I say, here lately. And some of them are pretty, pretty astounding. I have one that may be an older twist. And it's great with locust with.

Yeah. You know how tough a locust wood is, you know, back in. Very tough. Yeah, they used to be what fence posts were made of. You know. This is pushed over and twisted. It's no nothing like that. I don't think it's an act.

11 miles away on another ridge. I can show you a similar twist, but it twists in a different direction. Yeah, if you would, yeah, send them my way. I'd love to see what you're seeing. And, you know, there's nothing wrong with researching and investigating this or calling yourself a researcher. I know sometimes people, they hear me break the balls of researchers,

but it's only the guys that are kind of arrogant, of dicks that I like to break their balls on it because you know they got a they got everything figured out they'll tell you I mean they won't even stop to think before you ask a question they got the answer ready for you and no one has anything figured out you know what I mean and I love talking to guys like you Dan because you know you're out there all the time and it's not half the time you're not even out looking for the things you're out hunting and you run into them and you run into these weird structures you run into these and you know as well as I do uh you're Anytime a hunter says, hey, I'm seeing these tree breaks or hey, I'm seeing this and it's not weather.

People might want to stop and listen to what they're having to say, because most hunters know when it's weather. They know when it's, oh, you know, an elk came up and messed with this tree and that's what you're seeing here, or this is something I've never seen before. You'll get that from hunters, you know. Hunters know. They know. I've had people come forward here lately and actually had two people come forward. telling me, you know, because they had overheard me. I'm saying, hey, you know, this happened and this happened to me,

and I never wanted to tell nobody about it, and don't tell nobody, but they would tell me, you know. You know, but I don't, my biggest problem, Wes, is I don't know what to do. I don't want to know what to do. You know, I'm not a researcher. I don't want to prove, disprove. I know it's real. Be aware when they're in the woods.

Don't go in the woods by yourself. It's not no, no, you know. cuddly pet. It's not something that you want to take home and hug it and squeeze something that will cause you bodily harm, take your life, cause you nightmare. I mean, not, so to speak until, you know, say, 1994. That really changed something I live with. I don't deny it. I'm not trying to prove or disprove. I'm trying to co-agre with what I see. Forgive me, but I feel sometimes because it's knowing if I see an X marker, if I see a tree twist or a tree break, you know, I look to see if I find a footprint, you know, I start looking around because it's not without knowledge that don't know, they'll never know, you know, they're unbeknown. If you do know what to look for, and I hate to use that term for some time, because I have no outlet.

That'd be what I'm trying to, trying to blessing you. Well, I appreciate that, Dan. I appreciate that a lot. And you're right. I'm with you on that. It does feel like a curse at times. And what do you do when you have all the evidence? You know, where do you, who do you take it to? And that's one of the biggest frustrations is what do you do with the stuff you're finding? And it's, it's frustrating. It's very, very frustrating. And, you know, like I said, with you and your incident, I don't care how many, if you had an encounter 20 years ago and you have an encounter today,

it's still as scary as a first encounter. But having said that, you don't go into freak out mode. like if you've never seen it before, like your friend did. And I think that's how people wind up dead. I think that's how people wind up. These things may hunt people when they're out there. You may come across some of that. But I guarantee if you guys would have ran that night,

they would have given chase. Or if you guys would have approached that big one, you would have had problems. And, you know, treat it like a grizzly bear. Just kind of slowly walk out, be cool, walk out of the area. And they'll generally kind of leave you alone. if you do anything else besides that you're in trouble that's very emotional and thank me

afterwards and I said why he said because who knows what would have happened and if you hadn't I went hunting with me then I was coming in and to think about that well I don't even want to think of it well be safe while you're out there I'd love for you to send me those photos and I can't thank you enough for coming on

anything you need any stuff with you if you ever get this way you just look me up you know you've got all my contacts and I'll send you picks. And again, if there's anything I could do, you just get with me, you're giving me the time to tell some of my life experiences here. Thanks, man. I appreciate you coming on.

Have a good evening. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone, have a great night. Across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote.

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