Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:21 Sykesville Monster

Episode Date: March 9, 2014

My Bigfoot Encounter - Lon Strickler I was fly-fishing for redeye and smallmouth bass on the south branch of the Patapsco River approximately 1 mile downstream from Rt.32 near Sykesville, Maryland. After a few minutes or so, I heard the dog barking and growling. I figured that he stirred up a deer, but when I looked at the direction of the ruckus I noticed a dark hairy creature bobbing up and down in the thickets. I stopped fishing and moved closer to the riffles to get a better look and noticed that the dog stopped barking. Suddenly, I heard a loud yelp from the dog and the creature stood up. The best I could tell is that this "thing" was about 7-8 ft. tall and had dark matted hair. I could only see the body from the chest up because the rest of the body was obscured by the weeds and thickets. I stood completely still and could hear a series of "tick" sounds while observing this creature walk slowly through the thickets towards the woods. I started to follow it and in the meantime I noticed a strong musky scent that reminded me of fox urine.I had waders on so I could only move so fast in an attempt to get a better look at this creature. It simply moved too fast for me. I decided to go back to my car, drive into Sykesville and make an immediate report to the authorities.The local police told me to go back to the area and they would meet me there. The State Police officer told to get back in my car and leave immediately because they didn't know how dangerous the situation was.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What's going on now, sir?

That's the start of a bitch is about 6'4.9. Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. Welcome to Bigfoot hotspot Radio. Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. This episode is brought to you by audible.com. Go to audible trial.com for your first 30-day trial and your first free downloadable book. Looks like we have a call here from 509. John from Washington. John, you want to tell us about your encounter?

Just a kid in high school, 30-30 in my hand. Yeah. Whatever it was, it wasn't deer. It ran real fast. Circled it twice and deer and walked around at once and said... What part of the country was this in? Delphrey, Montana, which is a little 60 miles. The other encounter I had on the Snake River, on the bluff,

I was going to get behind some equipment so I could get a better look at them. When I got there, they were gone, you know. Wow. And that one, I'm not sure. they were certainly ape-like. Yeah. And it was probably 150 yards from where I was. They were up 70 feet above me.

Well, and the first one that did it run past you? No, it squirted out right in front of me. I was, like I said, I was hunting there. I had just come back around. It was kind of just to imagine a knoll, a big mound. It had been many, many years ago. Yeah. I mean, it ran.

It ran really fast. Memory says it did run on four feet. Right. It came down on its front thing. I didn't shoot. Like a chimp? More like a lope. You know, it was loping.

When it went to all fours, it was loping. Yeah, I guess like a chimp. It dared to be longer than its arms. And I know that there isn't of this Sasquatch or whatever you guys call it. It's not a deer. And it wasn't any animal that I'd ever seen out there. Did the first one look much different than the second? Yes, it did.

It did. It looked quite a bit different, kind of a real dark brown. And this one was a real light brown. Did it have hair on the face or anything like that? No, not that I can remember again. You know, you're taking me back a lot of years, but I don't remember much hair on the face other than the fact that it looked at me. You know, didn't have a long snout.

It didn't have any fangs hanging out of it. It wasn't a cougar. I'm sure it wasn't a bear. What was going through your mind when you saw it? I was mostly surprised. Why didn't I put it pretty easy? Yeah. But it was just such as, it was out of range real quick.

Now, the second one, we're ape-like. One of them was, in relation, it was small. Probably, the worst, I didn't know how high it was. I didn't see it stand up. What's your take on it now? Looking back, having these encounters. Well, I'm thinking there might have been some guys up around the dam. I was working at Lower Granite Dam.

And maybe they were, you know, trying some full-heartedly, fooling, you know, hoping that had come back. And I didn't do that when it fall into their trap. There's only a few people ever, now you guys. My brother and myself, we've been hunters our whole life. When we came across them for the first time, it kind of throws you off a little bit. I mean, you're not really sure. I'm sure you've come across bear.

I'm sure you've come across cougar, deer and elk, and then you see something like this. It throws you off. You don't really know what to think of it. Well, it did because, you know, There's very, you could get two deer, barren. Yeah. Nowadays, you cost you a side of beef to get a... But then, you know, it was in my...

Yeah. But it was just such a shock. You know, what the hell is that? Yeah, nobody ever expects to go. No, it doesn't... Yeah, it is. You know, you just don't shoot... Right.

But that, you know, they didn't have cell phones back then. Yeah. It would take the picture with. Yeah. And they didn't... I didn't have any cameras. Well, you know, a lot of times these things happen so quick, Even if you had a camera on you, you're probably not going to take a picture anyway.

Well, you know, I'm not sure, they must, whatever it was on the second occasion, must have seen me. Because I was down below them. If they didn't see me right away, they must have seen. And those could have been real. You know, those could have been a real look at it. I think there would be a whole lot of cover. How do you feel about it today after having those encounters? I mean, has it changed your...

Well, it's made kind of a believer in me. I know there's something out there. You know, how many years did it take on Africa? Long time, long time. It's something out there that we don't know about. In fact, there's probably a whole lot more out there that we don't know about. I sure appreciate being on the show tonight. You bet.

All right. Keep after it. Yeah, thanks, John. Thank you. Thanks, John. Using that name, we're not using. You and I've chatted a little bit on Facebook. So let's go back.

What was their knowledge about? Okay, so in 19. In 1774, my grandfather, he was a logger. I grew up in my grandfather was a logger. My dad was logging up above hood rear. He saw the timber, and my grandpa saw it for a few minutes. We were working down in the rigging, setting chokers, had a real close-up of the thing. They were setting chokers in the brush along the clear-cut edge, and this thing came out of the brush.

I was going to say, did he mention if the logger, other loggers had talked about anything like that? apparently they didn't if he didn't know, you know, prior to that. Oh, because a lot of those guys, and something interesting with that, Paul was also an artist and a carve, you know, wooden Vikings and things like, and he put a couple of them in this photo, and this was back in the 70s. He told me that he was in there, you know, he had him in there, and there was a local cannibal, cannibal. These things are cannibals.

She was just, she was freaked out by seeing these things. I've heard you say that multiple times about that, and that was one thing I thought I'd share about. that. When was the first time you came across any sort of evidence? Okay, so in the mid-80s, I was just working up. My dad would log. He was a timber for snow on the ground. They found tracks, and my dad took my mom and myself and my brother up and get a second look at these things. I mean, they looked like it. He found tracks, and within that same year, a lot of the locals around there had heard vocalizations.

and in 2005 I was working as a forest worker near Yakima by the Yakima Reservation, and I was out alone, and I stumbled, and I had never... No, exactly, and that area is very... ...area where most people don't go. The only people that would have posits from the Yakima tribe... They don't have 16-inch long feet either. And then after that, after I'd seen those tracks, my interest started coming back because I had sort of lost it.

Me and Buddy in college. I went to the University of Idaho and studied. I had an Indian buddy in my forestry classes that we became friends. We lefted together on the east side. Right. And I decided to ask him what he knew about the subject, if anything. And he told me some pretty interesting. McCallville people had home, and they would let come out at night to pick huckleberries.

And he said it was him and his mother and his sister. And they were out picking huckleberries, and they had stayed till dark. and they hadn't left yet. And they immediately caught the whiff's ungodly smell they had never smelled before. His mother apparently knew what it was. With them being there. At that point in time,

I said I knew of was the BFR. I went straight to the BFRO, I got on my computer, and I got to their soundboard that has, you know, the Piaw screamer and all those other sounds. According, I think, in Northern... But he said, yeah, that's exactly...

That was just a information to the... In 2006, I do my forestry where my mother and brothers lived, and they left summer. my brothers and I, and I have two younger brothers, and we would go out in the woods, and we were just out, you know, and we came across what they were, and of course my brothers living in that area, you know, they actually knew people. Yeah, exactly. I worked that area pretty extensively back from about 1986 to 1998, and that was one of the main areas that I worked over there on the Wind River, north of Carson. That's always been a very active area. Yeah, and actually somebody that I work with, they were,

were working in that area and they were planting and there was probably 2008 my my brothers and my mother actually heard one of these things down by the river and it it was you know they they knew what it was and they were very familiar with a lot of things like that and so loud that it almost felt like it was like the sound waves were hitting their body yeah like waskin really i've heard that i remember hearing your guys's encounter about that it does it actually feels like the sound waves hit your body I mean, it feels like I described it like being hit with a baseball bat, but we were pretty close to them. So, but no, I can relate to that.

And after that happened, after they had heard that, my mother has a lot of native friends that will come up in that area to pick. They'll come up there and they'll stop by my mom's place and they'll hang out and talk. And this had happened around that time where the Indians were starting to come up to pick Huckleberry's. And my mom's friend Kutch, who's a Quickett, Indian, had stopped by. and my mom told come down off of a ridge, which is just due. She actually took my mom to the location where that ridge comes down the mountain,

crosses the wind river and keeps going west, and she's like, those things come down right off that ridge line, and they come down to the river at night. And, you know, Cutch knew a lot about these creatures, and it was a part of her culture. And so she told my mom about that, and I was just kind of, and I grew up with Cutch.

You know, she was a native woman. She was very dedicated to the traditional ways that were people. It's your, it wasn't really a bit. And in 2011, I live in northern Snohomish County, and we get together and we go out in the woods and we do wilderness treks and we wear buckskins and moccasins and carry hawk and rifles. And we try to, you know, relive kind of the mountain men thing, how they survived. And so we'll go out in the bush for a couple of Swaddle River, which ran it's over. Where we went to was there had been a lot of sightings in that area. There was actually a forest service, uh, and, uh, and,

There was a big thing. We were walking along the Suato River, and there's a big, 20 feet wide and a vertical distance of, you know, maybe heavily grown over with Devils Club and things like that. And we were down along that river, and we were scouting for deer before the deer season. And we decided to break up and travel perpendicular to the river towards the river along one of these side channels. and my partner must have been maybe three, 400 meters to my right flank, and we were walking along the side channel, and we heard something that was just, it was a very low yet loud gutter coming from that side channel.

We couldn't see in it. It was just so dense, but it was very loud. And like I said, it literally felt like it was, and I work in the woods every day as a forester by myself. I've never heard her vibration coming. Yeah, there is nothing I know of that does that either. And I, you know, I really try to think in an objective, I never heard that, he had never heard that.

But I didn't really have any conclusive evidence, I guess, of a fellow forester that I work with and I, we had gotten together, we were doing the Mountain Man thing with the Bucks to build a Mountain Man camp and weekend and spend the teachers together and going up there and doing the Mountain Man thing, shooting hawking rifles, and so we know nobody goes in there. We were hiking up to this location and we saw these tracks in the snow.

And I immediately thought, I was immediately upset when I saw the tracks because I thought, you know, somebody's been in here. Somebody's been in here and it made me mad because somebody had been in here on snow shoes. And I thought that somebody had been in there with snow shoes. And I didn't think anything of it after that. We hiked up the hill. We got to the base of the mountain. We built our mountain man camp. We were there all day.

And then it started getting dark. So we caught the tracks again. And we started looking closer at these tracks. The tracks were not like a, you know, most humans, you know, when they walk, they don't normally walk in like a straight line, spy to six feet. Tell fake tracks in a hurry, quite pigeon-toe. And the other thing, I thought there were, I thought somebody had been up there with snow shoes. But then, you know, I realized because, you know, I've worn snow shoes working in the woods,

but I did that on the east side. You can't work in the woods on the west side of the cascades in steep, brushy terrain, wearing snow shoes. It's just so brushy. You never did anywhere. No. And the other thing with that is that when you wear snow shoes, it significantly reduces your stride. Right. So there was no way that a person wearing snow shoes could have made those tracks and walk up, you know, probably a 30th the slope was, and maintain that. And so the next day I became, because there was a bunch of all, and I was having a hard time walking through.

At that point, I got really uncomfortable. I had to have been at least eight to nine. I'm not going to lie. I got scared. And I didn't have an encounter like you guys did. I just, I just, I got scared. And, you know, for people that say, well, I'm not afraid of anything, you know, they're full of people. I've been in combat. I've killed men in battle. I've seen my friends. One thing I learned in combat is that smart and it keeps you alive.

That's a whole thing we have. The whole reason we have it. And you know, the people who aren't scared, see, they're not scared, are fools. Right. I mean, they really are. And this was, this since then, you know, that was in 2012. I get up every morning. when it's dark. Maybe I'm paranoid.

I tell people you really got to be careful, I mean, because, you know, we have way too many cases. You know, I mean, you could be inadvertently doing something that's perceived as aggressive to these things. We don't know. And there's plenty of accounts that proof. Not that a switch is going to run out and attack somebody, but just to be on the safe side, we don't know that. Yeah. And I actually filed a report, which when he got there, this is location. He found more in the area. So I sort of made a habit of doing it. I'd walk my dog. And when I got to a clear route and looked at this, saw what appeared to be like a cave or something,

and it was just right below the timber line. I saw what looked to be a cave, and it really didn't catch my attention, but I looked at it, and I saw what appeared to be, you know, and then they went into the timbers. Those were squashes, but I saw them through my binoculars, and they were in the area, in the exact same area where those tracks were heading.

I don't dismiss it as being squashes. I think that's probably what it was because it was in the wintertime when I saw it and, you know, bears... What do you, I mean, how do you feel about the whole thing now? Doug, since you've kind of seen and experienced what you've experienced, how do you feel about the whole thing now? Well, honestly, guys, it freaks me out, and I think there's reason to be freaked about the whole thing. For a lot of the things I had seen on TV, you know, for this year, it's funny, I'll listen to it in the morning before I go to kind of get it. And it really is. You know, I think that's fear. That's fear.

and the same reason why we like horror movies it sort of goes back to that prime... I have a question. Yeah, go ahead. Right before I started listening to this show, like literally within maybe a half hour... Yeah, I've heard of me for it. I was like, man, this is amazing.

You know, they shot one, they killed one. The guys went there and looked at it and saw the actual body, and, you know, I was all excited, and then, you know, then I find your guys a show and I start with it, and then I'm with Rick Dyer and that big foot that he apparently shot. Well, you know, I think Wes would agree with me from actually having seen a real Sasquatch up close.

It doesn't take very more than a split. Yeah, it is. And not only that, but when he parades this thing around, if you look at it, there's some YouTube videos about that. It's not even the whole body. It's supposed to be supposedly just the... Something I learned from Renee to him today about, you know, buying a 2014 horse and a $100,000 motorhome. You know, his whole thing is to make a buck. and unfortunately the people who don't take the time to research this.

Yeah, if you look at the body he has now, even put the 2008 aside, say that never happened. That body's not even close to anything I saw. I mean, it doesn't even match up to anything I've seen. You know, I said before, you know, you know, people who create, Dyer should watch that show at least when it, because it looks like one of the, remember the troll, that's what he's modeled it after, and you can clearly see the face.

Yeah, there are. I'm wondering, you know, basically. off of those tracks that I found right next to my house, I guess my question is, you know, those tracks were real, I know they're real, I know, or maybe the knowledge that you have on these things as to around this area. Like, what, they were coming down from a very steep, rocky, snow-covered timbered mountain, down towards the river, and then they took off back up towards the river. I mean, it seems to me like they were coming down, maybe getting fish or something, but Yeah, they're coming down the seed. Yeah, okay.

Typically, they, you know, when they're sleeping, like what, and again, when you mentioned your Indian friend and I figured out what they were doing many years ago, they will come, they'll stay in the high areas, like with Yakult Mountain, for instance, back in 89 when the same group at Westwoodian, we were investigating that group, one group were younger then. There were two fairly young that are adult now. They were coming down off that area, plus or minus an hour of dusk, screaming and raising all kinds of how they were coming down in the valleys to see. And then right before daylight, they'd head back up there. And that's pretty generally what they do. I mean, I do, but I'm curious, but I know they're there. And after hearing about Wes and Woody's encounter after hearing that, I've never heard anything like that.

I mean, I had heard about, you know, the cowman and, you know, the story that Teddy wrote. It's like, you know, you two guys, it seems like you're just regular dudes that just read these things and what they displayed to you. You said it sounded like you felt like you were on the menu. I think that's a reasonable reaction. It felt like it. Yeah, it's an unranging moment.

I think when you're putting those moments to where, you know, you have to do what you do to survive. I mean, Woody and I have talked about it several times. You know, you just feel like if you're not smart, you're going to die. If you don't have fear, you're going to die. If you do something stupid, you're going to die. And I think when you're putting that moment, you know, a lot of people say, well, I don't know what I would have done. I think a lot of people probably would have done what we done. We just kind of sat there in fear, man.

We just didn't know what to do. I didn't want to do anything to provoke a fight because I thought, if we did, that was it. We were dead. And, you know, if you don't provoke, diffuses whatever tension may have been there. Right. Right. It felt like a game of chess is what it felt like. It felt like, who's going to make the first move, who's going to screw up first and piss the other guy off, who's going to. it's like both sides

we're waiting to react. That's what it felt like. Well, when you watch these shows like a National Geographic where they're going out to observe groups of guerrillas, you know, they make it look like they just walk up there and they're you know, they sneak up to them. But in reality, it takes weeks to acclimate that group to

those people, and it takes them a long time. They get a little closer each day when they go out there. It's not they just, you know, it's like these people say with Bigfoot or just going to be that's nuts, you know, they encountered it got right up. You know, it's like any wild life out there, you know, you're not going to go out and just go, you know. Finding tracks like you have, Doug, and

listening to different Bigfoot shows, I can tell you right now, you're 100% more prepared than we were at the time. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Because we had no idea what we were looking at. We called them monsters for almost a week before it kind of set into what we actually saw. Well, and it sounds like you guys were packing some pretty serious firepower with you, and it didn't seem like you felt like that would really do anything. Yeah, when you see how big they are, and it's hard to describe the size of them until you actually see one. I mean, people can tell you all day long how big they are and how wide the shoulders are

and how none of that really means anything until you see it for your own eyes. And when you see it for your own eyes, yeah, it doesn't sink in. And you could be armed to the teeth, and those guns really don't feel like it's going to be enough, especially when you see a large alpha male, you can have the largest caliber of rifle, and it still doesn't seem like it's going to be enough. You know, that first one I saw was a big one that was eight feet, and I could say at least 800 pounds.

It was kind of dwarfed by the second encounter. River south of you get first one I encountered, of course I just had a 22, but I thought, geez, my hunting rifle or my 12-gauge, you know, it would be if he, if the... Yeah. And the second one certainly not. I don't even know what I'd use me,

50 caliber rifle with something like that. Yeah, yeah. I know, me and Woody always joke about it. We would have fired off everything but one shot and saved that last shot for ourselves if it wasn't enough, you know? And I think I've heard West say, you know, if you ran into one and you actually engaged a thing, you better have a backup plan. Yeah, that's right. And that's the main reason why we didn't shoot that night.

Because Woody, when we're sitting in the car, I don't think we've ever really gone into full detail about our conversation. and what we felt that night. But I remember several times that night, Woody was saying, well, let's shoot our way out. I'll start shooting, or you start shooting, and I'll start driving,

and we'll get our way out. You know, I just felt like it would have been a death sentence for us. I felt like, yeah, we might be able to get one or two, but what about the rest of them? They're going to come after. I mean, these things are regressers. Yeah, I felt like they were going to tear us apart.

You almost, before you pull the trigger, I think when you see one, there's probably two or three. pretty close by. They're usually not. That's like the ones that I encountered. You know, I come walking in on the big one. I didn't realize there was a second one behind me.

Right. And you hear that all the time. You hear that from people all the time that the one they actually see, there's usually two or three more that are really close by that they don't see, you know. It's a lot of common. Yeah, in the old days, you know, when green and linen were, you know, the big guys and all this, the original thinking was that they were solitary, you know, overall. all my work since then, I found that's not the case.

When you start looking at these stories and listening to people, there's always one or two more. Wes, have you and Woody? Have you guys been out in the woods much since you had your encounter? About the last six months to eight months, I'd say, yeah, we have been. It took me about six months before I could get back out there. I didn't want to go back out in the woods. I mean, I didn't know exactly really what we were dealing with. And so, you know, even armed to the teeth, that wasn't really comfortable in it.

But, yeah, we've gone out. Since then we've gone back out, yeah. When I'm out in the woods, with my job, I can't... I see where you hit them. I think it's all shot place. I think with mine and Woody's encounter, and I could be wrong on this, but I think on our encounter, we had... They were coming down from the mountain, headed, and they were heading down to the river.

And I'm speculating on all of this. I think they were heading down to the river, and we caught them. and we cut them off on their way down to the rivers is what I think happened. You guys have a group of deer involved there too. Yeah, there was deer involved there too. They might have been hunting, but I think that we, by accident, came upon them more than they came upon us. I think we stumbled upon them instead of them coming on us. I think once we were there, once we stumbled upon them, then it was game time in their eyes.

even though it was by accident, you know, there was no ill intent on our part. I think we just thought we were in the wrong place at the wrong time. And that could have been like what I mentioned, the Hugh Brown story. You know, anything with that group of deer that you guys spy there, you know, maybe they were hunting that group, you guys sort of stumbled into that and ticked them off. Yeah, and that might have been. That might have, we felt several deer that were acting weird that night prior to seeing anything. and I think that maybe we might have messed up some hunting,

we might have cut them off to the river. I mean, who knows. I think if you're smart and you have common sense and you keep your eyes and your ears open, if you don't have a firearm, I think you can come out in a safe manner. And that's just my opinion on it. I think if you...

No, I think you're right about that. I mean, they're not just out of attacking people at random. Occasionally these things happen. And again, you know, if you wind up in a situation like that, And like Wes said, you know, you sort of react to it with fear. But, and I think that's our protective mode is you're not just acting aggressively against them because you're going to lose. And then sort of, you know, and they're not going to. Do you see that new show Cryptid Wool?

Have you seen the opening to that show? I did, yes. Have you seen it yet, Doug? Yeah, I just started watching it. So you guys know the opening scene where it looks like a guy's filming out in the woods and then all of a sudden he gets thrown in the air. Like you see the camera kind of go flying up. So I thought that was all just BS drama that the History Channel put together. That was actually a hiker that was out in the Louisiana Swamps by himself.

He was out filming as he was hiking. Apparently something grabbed him from behind and threw him in the air, and his body's never been found. He's actually a missing hiker. That was the last known footage that he's ever taken. That sort of reminds me in that part of the country. Yeah, it does. That's a little different variety.

and they're a little more violent. Yeah. It kind of sounds like those southern squatches or it just kind of seems like they're a lot more aggressive than the ones up here. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but... We more than likely have two species, two different species, and the one definitely is a little more aggressive

than what I call the Tipperson-type Sasquatch. Not quite... Did you listen when he talked... Yeah, and if you've seen the Vandramini and what they look like, you know, from a different perspective, and they did the reconstruction, it looks much more ape-like. And he said that with the exception of them, you know, not having the cat-like pupils

and the ape-like nose that was identical to what he has seen. I can see where that could be a little more violent creature. It kind of scares me just, you know, looking at those pictures, thinking that something like that's out there. But it's definitely different than what we have here. Yeah. When you were at Fort Lewis, did you ever have any encounters? We actually did.

we were out on a training exercise for a week would have been in the spring of 1980 Albyn and the Squally 76 then they said just there's going to be no aggressors set the men out the night while the fire team leaders took their men and they were better than the old Starlight scopes not a whole lot 16 and hell up a bunch of noise

Yeah not a good number Or find tracks or anything else You guys would be the first ones I let know Oh we appreciate it Yeah and thanks for coming on by the way I love this show it's great It's great to talk to you guys. Yeah, thanks, Doug.

We really do appreciate it. And thanks for, Mike Wilson's, thanks for coming on. Everyone here at Bigfoot Hotspot Spot Spot Radio would like to thank audible.com. Audible. com is the internet leading provider of audiobooks with over 150,000 different titles to choose from. To download a free audiobook of your choice, go to audibletrial.com forward slash bigfoot hotspot. Hey, Lisa. That's Wes and Will.

How are you? Oh, hi, how you doing? I'm all right. Doing good, doing good. Is it Will? This is Will. Oh, my God. Hi.

Hi there. Start drunk. Hey, what the heck? I didn't get it. Oh, my God. Well, I'm just joking. You did. Okay.

So, Will, do you want to do the normal? You want to interviewer, and I'll ask questions as we go. Yeah. And we got someone else who we're going to bring on it in about a half hour or so. Is that enough time for you, Lisa, do you think a half hour? Oh, yeah. It's, you know, like I said, my story is I don't know what it was. And so I wanted some help to figure it out because since my dad started talking about the big split experience at Christmas again,

this experience popped back into my head because it happened when I was like 15. So, and I was listening to you guys, and I'm thinking, What was that? So I kind of just want closure, I guess. What time frame was it? It was about midnight or one in the morning. Oh, I was kind of, sorry about that. I kind of meant the date, the time period.

Oh, well, I was 15, so it's about 1985. About 85, okay. Yeah. So now leading up to the event, what were you doing? We, our family, you know, like I said, we had a boat at a Ponderry Lake. I don't know if you know where that is. It's in Idaho. lots and lots of pristine forest and all the animals that come with it.

But we were docked in, it's called Button Hook Bay. We were docked out there. And I had my friend, and we just were, we put up a tent on the land where my parents would sleep in the boat. And my friend and I was sleeping the land, and we were just camping and having fun and swimming and stuff. And that's when we decided, we met some kid that night, and we decided to, You were going to sneak out later that night. So that's when this stuff happens, when we snuck out. Okay.

So walk us through the event. How did the events take place? Okay. Well, like I said, we planned on sneaking out around midnight or so that night. And so we snuck out and the walk, we were going to walk to the swimming hole in the middle of the night. And the swimming hole is it, it took a path under, It's kind of on the edge by the water, but it's under the, you know, it's pretty heavy forested and it's very dark. So we made it to the swimming hole.

It's a 1.5 mile track. So we made it to a swimming hole, and the swimming hole is pretty well lit with, like, you know, street lamp-looking things. But, you know, it's up by the parking lot is where it's more lit, but down by we where it wasn't so lit. So I ran down to the lifeguard chair, and I was going to either tip it over or fit in it or something. You know, I don't know. I was a kid. So I went up to it, and on the lifeguard chair there was a dead little kitten body with its head taken off. And even the guts coming out of it.

And so, you know, it was a little black and white kitten. It was a little kitten. And so I'm like talking to my, I was going to call my friends over and I said, you know, hey, come check this out. And I thought it was like, like, yeah, a little worshipper kid, you know. Like I listened to Iron Maid and I would write six, six, six on the wall and think it was cool. So I wasn't really scared. I just thought, oh, some kids are doing this. But I didn't like the kitten part.

I wasn't happy with that. Anyway, so I said, hey, come here to the friends. And if the kid, he goes, we got to get out of here now. and I looked over at him and he was standing like by the tree or not by the tree but away like my sight went to him but the tree

I can't explain it so I looked at him I looked up that this tree and it's one of those pine trees that the limbs start like probably 12 feet up off the air and in this tree was a figure and it was crouched between the limbs

and like the feet were on the bottom limb and it was like holding on to the top limb with its hand. But it was so backlit that I just saw this figure and I'm like, oh my God. And all I remember is, and we had to go under this thing, this man, I don't know, a guy. We had to go under him to get back to the path. So I kind of tried to go around and we all just pulled it back to the path. And then my flashlight was shaky, you know, when the battery was there. going down so you have to shake all the time.

So my girlfriend was hanging on to me and the kid was behind us. And we were just, we weren't running because I think we were too afraid to run, but we were just like walking fast, kind of running a little bit. And the kid kept saying, do not look behind you. Do not look behind you. And I heard, I thought I heard something coming after us, but I don't know. You know, I can't say if it was us, our steps or what. So I can't say that I really heard something behind it.

But he kept saying, do not look behind you. So I didn't. And then we ran, then we made it back to the shore, or to, it's not the shore, it's the tent. I'm just kind of freaking out here and not talking about it. Because, like I said, I just remembered this a week ago. The kid, when we got back, the kid said that he saw, he didn't see it come out of the tree, but he said he looked and it was landing on the ground. and what he compared it to was, you know, when gymnasts do their flipping and then they land,

that it landed not like a gymnast would, how they kind of bend their knees and come back up, you know, like it looks like they landed. He said it looked like it landed with no effort, like it stepped off a phone book. That's what he said. Because he saw it coming down and then it just kind of like, loop on the ground. But it was like 12 feet in the air, you know. that's what this kid said. I didn't see it.

I'm sorry, I was going to ask you. When you saw it in the tree, it definitely had the shape of a man and not a bear. Oh, yeah. It was holding on to the top limb, and it had elbows. You know what I mean? You know how you would crouch and hold on to the top limb and your elbows turn like a person? I thought it was a guy. I thought I was a big guy.

I don't remember how big it was because, like I said, I looked up and I, like, my heart, like, went into my mouth. You know, I just was like, oh, my God. And, like, all I thought is we have to fold. The kid went back to his boat, and we couldn't go back to my boat because, you know, I was a pretty good kid, and I didn't do that bad thing. So, sneaking out was a bad thing, so I couldn't let my parents know. So then we went back into the tent, and eventually, and then we just, I just sat there, like, all night, like, looking at the darkness, like, in the tent.

My friend went to sleep, and later, I heard this twice. I heard it sound like a huge boulder being thrown into the water. It was in deep water because I know what a boulder sounds like going into shallow water. It hits the rocks below. Right. You know, I was a kid, and I threw rocks in the water all the time. I heard that twice, just huge boulder being thrown into deep water, And there was no docks or anything way out in the lake.

You know, you could, to do it from shore, a human could not have thrown a rock that big from shore. And this happened twice. And, you know, and that's pretty much all that happened then. And I was talking to my sister about it, and she says, don't you remember that that happened to us about the rock in the water? She said that happened to us when we were in the tent a couple or one time before, and our dog was freaking out. And our dog wasn't with me this time.

but that our dog was growling and stuff and I said let's get I said let's go back to the boat now and we ran back to the boat that was another time with the rock so we heard the rocks you know I heard the rocks twice that night and then another time I heard the rocks

but that's all that happened you know then I guess I went to sleep and the next morning you know I don't know and then it kind of faded off into memory so you didn't tell anybody else about it then I told I told people like my sister remember is telling me she remembers me telling her about it,

but I never told my parents because I told my mom just the other day, and she's like, oh, now you tell me you snuck out, you know? So, no, I never told anybody, really. I just, I think it was so traumatic because, I mean, I've never been so scared in my life. But I didn't smell anything. Like people say they smell, I didn't smell anything. Well, you know, on the smell thing, over many, many years

in something Renee DeHenon and I used to talk. You only get one or two that might say they've seen something. For him, it was something that's, and it might be more of a, when they get excited, like they have scent glands in their hands when they get excited. So oftentimes they don't get excited. It's not an accomplice. Just talking, when I told my ex-boyfriend about it, and he said that it was probably just some guy that was hunting, you know,

and waiting for whatever animal to come up to the lifeguard chair, and I was thinking, why would a big foot go to, leave a dead kitten with a headless kitten on a lifeguard chair. Wouldn't he eat it, you know? Yeah, probably that. That's probably something else. It's really hard to say what it was. I don't think it's a bearer.

That's not really bear-type behavior that I've come across, but all we have out here in Washington is like Black Bear. And every time we've come across Black Bear, they'll bolt. The minute they see you or smell you, they are gone. They're not going to hang out of the tree until you pass by. A hunter And this was at night Yeah not at midnight

And a hunter would have said Yeah Especially most hunters will say They'll make themselves known to other people Even if it is a bunch of kids They'll say hey You know because you never know if someone else is armed You never know if

So you always try and make yourself known To other people that are That are in the area But a hunter hanging onto a tree like that I don't see it So I mean Boy that's an odd

ought to, I mean... It sort of limits the options. It does. It does limit to what... I mean, it could have been. It really could have been a Sasquatch. For it to sit in a tree like that, kind of wait for you guys, I mean...

And you guys, you and Woody saw one in a tree, so... And it was the same type of thing. It was wrapped around just like she described, and it would kind of go from the left to the right of the tree trunk checking us out. But it was like a person, but like a monkey is how I described it. It was moving back and forth. Not with its upper body, but with kind of its leg.

Like, you know how you sit in a swivel chair and you kind of move your legs back and forth? It was kind of like that in a way. Yeah, like shifting? Yeah, shifting. There you go. It was shifting the legs. Yeah, that's what I saw. Oh, really?

Okay. Well, I just don't think, see why it would be a pig float. I mean, I, you know, but then why would a hunt, I don't know what it was. It was not a bear. You know, and there are bear up there. I heard one, once in the garbage can in the tent, two feet from me, or three feet, whatever. But this thing, I mean, and I was, I've been thinking about it, and, like, it was so backlit, so it was just all black.

It was all this, just this silhouette. Right. I'm trying to think if I saw, like, a fuzziness to it, and I can't remember, you know, it was blurry. but it wasn't, but it wasn't, not glory, but you know, like when something is so backlit, but silhouette, and it's like, I'm just trying to think, was there fur? Yeah, I don't see a lot of, I can't say that, I saw, mine was the same thing, it was backlit, so it just was this black figure.

It was a black figure, it wasn't backlit, and I can't say that we saw, you know, any fur or hair or anything like that, that I can think of, on that one anyway. I'm trying to rationalize this, and, you know, my stomach is not, I'm just like, well, I want to know what that was. And it doesn't matter now, but it's done. But what was it? And why was that shit in there?

Like, what, you know, did somebody hate the lifeguard? Like, I don't know. But, man, we got out of there. And I, to this day, we'll never know what it was. Yeah, I know Cumbo told Will and I off the air that, you know, they'll, or actually, I talked to Cumbow prior to us going on the air, and he talked about Sasquatch's popping the heads off. off of kittens and puppies and stuff like that.

So I don't know if it's, you know, I don't know why they would do that, but he says that it's, he's seen it, it's pretty common there. Not like big dogs, but like puppies and kittens and that sort of thing. Wow. Okay, well, yeah, that's my story. So I, like I said, it's amazing. Who knows what that was, but, you know, I wish I could get more insight to it. Yeah.

Have you been back to the area since in the last couple of times? in the last couple of years, have you gone back? No, I mean, we went, I grew up there, so it's pretty much, you know, I went back ever since after that happened, so I was, you know, 18 years old or so, or 19, but no, it's been, you know, I'm 43 now, so it has been so long since I've been back there, and, you know, no, my dad sold the boat, and that was it, so, you know, yeah. Well, we sure, we sure appreciate you sharing the encounter.

Yeah, we sure do. And, you know, I want to say that you guys, you're not jokers, you're professional, you know, you don't think, you know, I was telepath, there's some big foot stole my antifreece to poison somebody. I mean, come on, you know. Yeah, you know, I don't know why people come up with that stuff, but it's, you know, you have to ask yourself, okay, what other animal in the world? And the answer is none. So, you know, I guess they, because it doesn't fit as equal. out there. We don't know about.

Yeah. Okay. Well, thank you, Lisa. Okay, well, take care. Thanks, Lisa. Love you. Thanks for listening to me. Hi.

That was a cool encounter, ma'am. I kind of think she saw Bigfoot, but you got to be... I kind of think so. You got to be careful, I guess, on what you... You know, everything can't be Bigfoot, but it's kind of hard to narrow down. Well, again, you know, like you said, when you boil it down, it's like, okay, you've only got a couple of choices. it's built like a man. And I asked her if it looked like the outline was a man.

The upper part, then you've only got one of two choices. Either it's a male by some lake, which is pretty unlikely, or it's a nascotch. Right. I mean, I don't know what else it could be. Yeah, and it's kind of disturbing when she was describing it because, I mean, that's kind of how ours was backlit too by the moon. Very similar to your account. Shifting the exact same way she's describing. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, no, it's, it's, that was a good account. That was a good encounter. And it's like I've said before, like that. Usually another one, of course yours is the situation. You can always think of another one in your mind. Yeah. Everyone here at Bigfoot Hotspot Spot Spot Radio would like to thank Audible.com. Audible.com is the internet leading provider of audiobooks with over 150,000 different titles to choose from.

To download a free audiobook of your choice, go to audibletrial.com forward slash bigbutt hotspot. Hey, Lon, it's Wes and Will. How are you? Hi, how you doing? Hi, Lon. You're doing pretty good. Yeah, I really appreciate coming on the show. No problem. Where you saw a Sasquatch, you were fishing that day.

That's right? Uh-huh. Prior to that time, what sort of known... Paranormal investigator since the mid-70s, but cryptids and Bigfoot just weren't part of what I was doing. And, you know, I had known of Bigfoot, basically because of the Hockey Creek movie, but other than that, I really did. Okay. I guess start us in from that day you were going fishing

and then take us into the account. You know, this is an area I had to go on fishing several times. It was on the, it was May the 9th at 1981. It was at 10 o'clock in the morning. I was fly fishing for Smallmouth Bassley, one mile downstream from near Sykesville, and Sykesville, Maryland. The weather was sunny, nice spring day.

Well, I'm not far from the river. And I was there fishing for a while. I was standing in the river. I had noticed a, I started to notice a stray dog. He was a large, mixed breed dog that was sniffing around the weeds and the thickets on the north bank. I think the dog was probably about 50 yards for me. He was weaving in and out of a brush. and so I wasn't worried about the dog,

so I just went back to doing what I was doing, concentrating on fishing. But after a few minutes or so I heard the dog barking and growling, I looked up. I thought it may have started up. I noticed bobbing up and down in the thick. It come from the dog, and the creature, I don't know what he did to the dog.

I don't know if he kicked at it or grabbed it or what it did. The best I could tell, seven-day-foot, The face was fairly sparse, and I could actually want to see the bottom out mid-chest, still, and I started hearing making ticking sounds. At the time, I didn't know what those sounds were, but since then, I believe they were teeth. I think he was gnashing his teeth or clicking his teeth together. But I could hear it.

You know, I wasn't a fair up distance away, maybe about, I tied down maybe 30 yards, but I could hear the clicking. I just watched him for a second, a couple seconds, and he moved out of the thicket. When he moved out, I could tell as a male, he turned around and started walking toward the woods behind it. I also got strong mist musculoscula odor, which actually reminded me a fox urine from what I used to use when I used to do deer hunting. I had waiters on, so I couldn't move that fad. As it was moving away, I could see the pads on its feet. they weren't going to

you know the hair was not there but they had fairly thick looking pads light color pads on the feet that definitely still you know it went into the woods and next thing I did I wasn't that far away and headed back into town

so I could make a phone call yeah hey Lon when you came face to face with that how far away was a creature about 30 yards about 30 yards and can you describe what the face looked like? The face looked actually like a Neanderthal. I mean, they lived human,

but it had a wide nose, had a Browelie, the mouth was kind of shaped like a human, but like I said, there was very little, very little. Interesting. Okay. And then you went up, you said you went up to make a phone call? Yeah, I got in my car, kept

the waiter, so I got in the car. Before that, I did see the dog. The dog came back across the river, and I got a quick look at him, and the dog had blood on him. He had going on his haunches, but he seemed to be moving okay, and I wasn't about to let him go, but he seemed like he was moving pretty good. So, when I got the car, and I hit it back towards Seitzville,

the first thing you back then when you went into Sykesville there along the river, it was a bar there. So I called the Seitzville Police Department. They told me, well, go back, and we'll meet you there. That's all they told me. I said, okay, went back again. And the way took about three or four minutes. It wasn't far away.

It was about a month. When I got there, the state police were already there, and they were actually putting up tape to cordon off the area. Two cars there. There was an unmarked police, I think it was state, I mean, a state, I think it was state. And then there was a state, so I didn't see anything else. And I told the state policeman, look, I made the call.

call, talked to Sykesville police and said, that's fine. We don't, you can't be here. You know, this is an investigation. You can't be here. Just leave the area. And I tried to argue with him. He was telling him what I had seen, but you didn't want to hear me. I turned around and went home.

Now, at that time, I lived in Sykesville, so it wasn't that far away. Well, it's on their part. Yeah. Yeah, and that, the reason, and the only thing I figure was that they were, that they just had to be tracking. I think they were tracking it. You know, I don't know if there was a government thing involved with this or what it was, but, you know, the response time was just unbelievable.

Sent me some information around that time frame about something eating children in the area. Do you know anything about that? You know, I heard something about that, but, you know, at that time, I wasn't living there then. You know, when the original sightings started back at 72, 73. I wasn't living in Sitesville. I wasn't even living in Maryland. So I didn't know

the full story of what I happened. I didn't pay that. I don't know what they're tied to this or tied to something else. I will say the area itself is near a state park run with Mexico State Park and there have

been a lot of anomalies in that park over the years. You saw it was just the state police that were there, right? You didn't see that they have When I came back about an hour before you got to the cordonoff area, so I parked a little bit away from the original area. They walked up toward the tape, and there were a couple of state policemen there. None of the local cops were there. None of the county cops, which was Howard County back then, and none of the Sykesville police were there.

They got to run off. And I happened to talk to one of the state police who was standing here by the tape. and I can see there were people moving in and out of bushes and didn't see any, but there were black vehicles. I saw two of them. I think they were Crown Victoria, but they had dogs. They had dogs. I asked the state cop, I said, you know, what are they looking for?

I didn't tell him that I had seen him and made the report. He said, somebody had a Bigfoot report. Wow. He came right out of it. And I told him, I said, was it a, you know, I had heard of the sites, monster. I said, was it the Seitzville monster? He started laughing. He said, I don't know. He said, I know they found

some hair, but I don't know what, you know, what it was. And that's the only thing I've ever heard from anybody there that they found hair. Well, you know, they weren't sure what I think. They were there from, from somebody I talked to later on who happened to know

of the incident, they were there for... It was a pretty serious investigation. Yeah, oh yeah. They were going through pretty good. You know, I don't know, you know, I couldn't see everything they were doing, but it was a, like you said, it was a very serious investigation. They were, they were looking results. The fact that they were only there that amount of time, to me, seems, I seem to think they found something. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you're calling a Bigfoot report, and there's

this reaction from the government. I mean, gosh, it makes you want to almost look up to see what happened historically prior to your encounter lawn to see if there was. And that's what I did. Yeah, that's why I did my own investigation. I will say this. This area is not far from the Baltimore-Washington area. It's considered Baltimore-Washington Metro. So we're near a lot of government installations, a lot of secret government installations as well.

There was, at the time, there was a federal work program facility about seven or eight miles down river. Yeah, right about that same time, the military was swarming that area. There was, I mean, it was, they were showing force. A force of military was coming into presence in that area. There was helicopters flying around. There was humbys.

There was, you know, like in Rambo, when, I don't know what kind of truck it is, but you know those were the, it's, it's almost got like a canvas on the back, like they're going to carry storage. Yeah, a bunch of those were going up there. They had maps out on top of the Humvees and were, and making marks on the map, and they had just swarmed the whole area. And that's not a training area. No, it's not.

There's no more training area up there at all. Yeah, there's not. It's in the middle of nowhere. So, I mean, there's really, I think the nearest military base is probably Fort Lewis, which is, what, well, two hours away, three hours away. Yeah, right, right. So it makes you wonder about, looking back, what's your theory, Lon? I mean, why do you think there was such a response,

and why do you think there was such a presence that they made known in that areas? And you're just calling it a Bigfoot report. Why do you think that they made their... You know, it's one of those things, you know, I... This is something I've been warning for over 30 years now. You know, I go into the media, and that same day, there were three TV stations in Baltimore. I contacted all three, and all three seemed interested.

And they were going to check into it. Next year I called back, asked me if you heard of him, and they didn't want to talk to me. Isn't that interesting? Yeah, that is. Let me ask you this. When he saw the creature, what did you think going outside of the whole government cover-up? But when he actually saw the creature, what was going through your mind? I don't know.

I just thought some naked guy running around. It's just a hairy guy. But, you know, when I got a close from, look when it came out of the bushes, and, you know, I could see what it was. And then I could really tell how, you know, how huge it was. but it was a good seven foot. I knew it definitely wasn't a human. But, you know, a lot of the sightings that I have,

and of course the people I talked to after this in Sykesville, they all gave fairly the same type of description. It was like a Neanderthal, like a caveman, you know, early human. Yeah, we've heard that a few times. After my sight, after my signing, I became interested. I wanted to find out what was going on. I had heard of the Sykesville Monster from the 70s, but I really paid that too much mind. I didn't know what that was until I started investigating myself.

And, of course, I started going over everything that was in the Baltimore, African-America, Afro-American news accounts. They did the original pieces. I knew some of the people that lived in the area where these sightings were. It was in South Sykesville. near the river, this is an African-American community. And early settings were from these people in this community. And I got to interview several of them,

talked to people within the families. And, you know, there were originally three reports made for the first, you know, in the flat. I got done doing my reports, my investigation, talking to people in another town just up the river in Gather, Maryland,

I came up with eight other sightings and eight other encounter pens and into garages. One actually got it lowered. Really? Yeah. While they were home or? They weren't home.

No. The house, they went home. What did it do once it broke into the house? They never really told me much of damage other than the door being busted. But, you know, there was like leaves and stuff. in the house. It was a kitchen.

It was a kitchen. And, you know, they said at least it was in the kitchen, but there were leaves and stuff. But it did bust through the door. Did they say how they knew it was that creature, or not a person? Well, they, you know, they just assumed

it was that because it was around the same time. He described the door the way it was busted. I got you. Yeah, it was really toward what I was told. I got you. Well, you know, there is one more thing I want to tell you. Yeah, please do. I didn't cover this in the show.

And in fact, I did write about it later. You know, over the years, I attempted to get as much information I could. I was in 81. So in 1984, I think it was 1984. Now, this is a few years after my encounter. I happened upon an old gentleman whose name was Atlas Phil. He was fishing on Pony Run near Maristville, Maryland. It's a small stream that actually runs parallel and empties into the tap.

So we just started talking about a few eyes and ends. I guess we talked about a half an hour when he said he mentions something about scalable remains of a large human being found on the south bank of a Piney Run a couple weeks prior to that. And he said that another fisherman had chance upon the bones. while he wandered off the tree but he said after this so Phil said that he and his companion they walked over to the other side of the stream to take a look at the remains

and he said that some of the bones were obviously missing bones of the arm and leg but they were somewhat scattered out so but he said another visible two small desiccated patch reddish brown so Phil said that both he and his companion both

muttered to each other at the same time were the clothes and then Phil said he said this was just too big to be a human so what they did Phil's companion walked over to the police as they waited for the authorities Phil took out his fish tape

and measured the upper arm bone which I think was a humorous and he said he remembered it measured it measured 22 inches you know Phil's observation it measured something besides a large April and he said that the skull

looked very much human but larger So in this sense, it's now after the Baltimore County Police and State Police, or Phil said they had primstein tape across the road so nobody could get within 300 yards of the location. He said he and a few others hung around the general store by the railroad tracks so they could see who was coming in and out, seeing there was an unmarked helicopter bringing people on site as well as several unmarked vehicles. And these vehicles described very central to one. that had a mine counter.

You know, I had mentioned this, I had actually mentioned this to the BFR investigator report back in. But, you know, this as well, there was never any mentioned in the local, weird incident. Something was found, known people coming in and out of there. So, you know, other than that, what they found, I don't know. But just when this gentleman, you know, and I don't know Phil's background was or anything else,

but I'm just going from what he told me. You know, he didn't know me. We never even started talking. And that just came out in the conversation. Well, it's interesting. I wonder where those remains went to. Yeah. I am, but that's just it.

Where to go to? Yeah, I mean, it's just one of the same. You know, this is just something else that, you know, some other weird incidents. I think you're getting ready to say, you know, the government knows where these things are around. And they've been checking. You know, they've been looking at it. They make people think that they're not interested or if they're in. Yeah, we have had plenty of.

government people tell us that too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I have as well. Yeah, most of them don't want to go on record, and I respect that, but behind the scenes, they'll tell you that they know what's going on. I know Will and I have talked to several

people from, that are government, federal employees that have come right out and said that they know what's going on. Yeah, they've been told point blank. You know, if I had never witnessed what I witnessed, as far as as fast as they got there on my encounter. Well, I probably wouldn't

believe him either. Yeah. Well, we appreciate it long. We appreciate you coming on. I appreciate you sharing your experience. I honestly, I'd never heard your story before until last week. And then I thought, wow, what a cool encounter. I can't believe I've never come across this one.

Like I said, I was excited. Yeah, I was excited to talk with you, so I really do appreciate it. That's no problem. Yeah, we've been looking forward to it all week. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Long, Well, you have yourself a good night. Okay, you take care of now.

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