Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:213 Dark Waters

Episode Date: April 24, 2016

ouTuber Dark Waters will be joining me. You can find his channel here, I highly recommend subscribing to his channel. We spoke last night and he was sharing some terrifying Sasquatch and Dogman encounters he has been investigating. What is a dogman? Have they ever attacked anyone? DW talks about what he has learned looking into the Dogman and Bigfoot subject. Get ready for a night full of encounter stories! DW will be sharing some encounters that are not up on his channel…yet!

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It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wasn't a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was given. What are you're putting? Jesus Christ, you bet. Sheriff?

See you. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. The truth is out there. It is one of the world's greatest mysteries, Scotland's legend. legendary lockness monster. So does the late creature actually exist? Well, if you ask one man, he'll tell you it is in fact no myth. Every day is flaunted in front of your face. Hundreds of people in the valley say they are hearing voices in their heads. You just choose to ignore it. Belief can be a powerful force. No one knows that better than the people who are sure they've seen Bigfoot. Real accounts. He says he knows who's playing mind games. Roe government officials that are sponsoring this also corrupt.

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I'll do hope his eyes gaze upon me and that my allegiance is recognized. In the Dark Waters. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you this evening. going to be speaking to DW. He's a YouTuber for Dark Waters, and that was the intro to most of his shows.

If he get a chance, go to YouTube, type in Dark Waters, and find his channel. He's been researching this for a long time. He mainly looks into Dog Man, but he also looks into a lot of Sasquatch encounters, and he has gathered some great encounter stories, so he'll be sharing a lot of those stories with us tonight. It should be a great show.

Remember, if you've had an encounter, encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, please check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Become a subscriber, help support the show. The only other thing I'll throw out you guys is, if you get a chance, please leave us a review on iTunes. Help us climb those charts on iTunes. Thanks so much, guys. Let's jump right into it tonight. I want to welcome DW to the show. D.W., thanks for coming on, man. I really appreciate you being here tonight. Thanks, Wes. I really appreciate the opportunity, and I want to thank you for having me on your show.

I'm a fan, and I listen, and I really, really enjoy it. And one of the things that I'm experiencing now is I'm going through a growth phase, where I have to learn a lot more about the things that people are telling me. So when it comes to the Sasquash, I come to your channel or listen and learn as much as I possibly can because I'm not the one who knows everything. You know, I'm a narrator, but I don't know everything about every cryptid out there. So I have to take time and educate myself on, you know, these different activities of these creatures. And so yours is definitely a source of my education. I appreciate that, man.

And for the listeners out there, if you go to YouTube and you search for Dark Waters, you will find the Dark Waters channel. I know the newest one he has up is three creepy stories from New Orleans. but you know what's interesting is you know you do a lot of dog man type stuff on your show and I know you're getting into the bigfoot stuff. What got you into this? What got you into kind of narrating the stories? Well, I spent a lot of time on radio business and I was looking with something to do that combined my skills and producing radio shows along with my ability to, you know, kind of get people to talk to me because I really do believe I have a guy giving gifts to make friends and network. when I was trying to find a way to blend the two of them together, the way I figured that I could blend those two together was

I needed to find something where I can interview people and then talk to them. Initially it was going to start off as a regular kind of show where I talked to people and interview them. And then I said, no, I want to do something better. Why don't I capture their emotions and recreate their events, the events that happened to them and then go from there? And that is how the Dot Waters channel came to be.

Initially, I was testing the waters with, and the people who listen, they listen to the stories, the original stories. There's a computer voice to the stories because I was just testing the stories themselves that I was getting to see if they were strong enough to carry water and just testing my ability to kind of put together the things that happen to people. And then once I realized that, okay, well, I'm capturing the essence of what happened to them, then I started derating myself. And a lot of that has to do with my subscribers to because my original 100 subscribers were like, these. best people that I could have ever had. I mean, these guys are so encouraging. They're phenomenal. We have some great people out here on this planet.

We really do. Did you start the channel because of your own encounter? I mean, you go into some of these creepy stories. Was there something that happened to you, or was it just a path you decided to take? Well, I had plenty of things that happened to me. That had been creepy you out throughout my lifetime. And one of the thing that touched on darkness radio was my family's connection to who do and my interaction with a, with the demon.

at 12 years old. And that was one of the things that opened my eyes to the paranormal world. But there have been so many things that have happened to me in my life that just have a, but I guess you can say you have an awakening at some point in time throughout your life. And it's that awakening, that great awakening in my life that as you kind of see the, I call it the golden thread of life as it kind of weaves itself together. And you see, you know, this person connects to this person and this incident connects to this. and everything leads up to something.

Like everything transpired to lead me up to having this interview with you. And my next interview, my next interview in each conversation that I have with people. And so when I see things going in direction, that particular direction, I just go with it. I'm matured enough to know that, okay, you're going in this direction for a reason, and there's something there for you. So I kind of go along in that direction. It is interesting how life throws you curveballs and it kind of steers you in weird directions. You know, if you would have said to me five years ago, six years ago, I'd be doing a Bigfoot podcast.

I would have probably laughed at you over the whole thing. But, you know, our experiences kind of shape our lives. Now, you've spoken to a lot of witnesses about Dogman, even a recent witness where it's popping heads off of raccoons and what's going on at that property. And for the audience, just kind of walk them right into what's actually happening on this property. that one she hasn't signed her release yet. I tried to get her to sign the release. That's one that I can't get into just yet, but I can walk. I can walk you through another one that's in southeast Louisiana that I have all the permissions on.

And this one is outside of Homer. I'm not going to give the exact location because, like we talked about yesterday, you know, I really don't like how people go chasing these things down. So there's this gentleman, and he's a fisherman. And when I say he's a fisherman, like he's one of those guys that spends all this time in the bayou, He has a dog named Buck. So he and Buck go out all the time early in the morning, especially doing red fish season.

They go fishing for redfish. And this is something that I'm finding real peculiar about dog man himself, the dog man itself, because it's like this creature is a master at intimidating people. You know, it's a, I call it a cryptic terrorist. That's what I call it, because the things that it does is intended to terrorize people. So he's in this huge lake. and he's channeled driving through one of the bayous heading to the next league, right? And there's this wood line off to his right, to the left.

There's just marsh. And above the wood line is kind of a little levy, which all these encounters in southeast Louisiana tend to happen on these levees because that's just the natural thoroughfare for game and everything to get through these marshlands, right? So he's driving along. Actually, he's not driving. He's trolling along because he's fishing for red fish off the banks. and his dog, the whole time they've been in the boat, his dog dog has been taking a nap.

His dog, Buck, starts to get the wind of something, goes to the front of the boat, and Buck starts barking. And I had an opportunity to see Buck. Buck is a very big German shepherd and beautiful dog. You know, I mean, a lovely dog, well-mannered dog and everything. And Buck starts barking at the woodline, and he's like, you know, Buck, what's going on with you?

The dog continues to the barking. It gets more and more vicious. And as they get further down into the wood, between the woods and the marsh on the other side, he sees this huge shadow moving behind the trees. He can't quite make it out, but it's a big black shadow. Then he says, and this is the exact word for me, he said, man, I saw the biggest dog I've ever seen in my life.

And he said, it was on four legs, and it was moving from tree to tree. And it was kind of tracking us from tree to tree. And he said at this point in time, Bucket's barking so ill for viciously and ferociously, and ferocious let him, he thinks he's going to jump out of the boats. Then the dog man sticks his head out from the brush and the bushes and just the head. And he's like, man, when I saw that, he was like, it was a wolf. It wasn't a dog.

He was like, it's the biggest wolf I've ever seen. He's like the head was five times bigger than Buck's head. He said he kind of froze for a second. His dog never backed out. And it never paid attention to him. It only paid attention to Buck trying to intimidate Buck. And then it growled. And his dog, Buck, went solid for a second.

And he was exactly doing the funny thing. He was like, I can see Buck's mind thinking, okay, what am I supposed to do? Because this thing just growled at me. And then his dog, his dog started barking again even louder and more ferociously. And it was trying to intimidate his dog. At this point in time, he's freaking out because he's like, man, this is a big wolf. It didn't stand up on all, on two legs. It was still on all fours.

And he hits the throttle on the boat takes off and goes further down. The next section where he can turn, to kind of loop back around because he wasn't going back that way. It's about a quarter mile away. And he loops into this little area where there's these houses. And there's people who actually live their houses on stilts. They're living in the houses on the water. And if he's a guy's outside, he, you know, throttles down the boat,

pulls over and starts asking the guy. These courses, hey, man, have you ever seen a big wolf out here? And the first guy says, no, man, I never seen anything like that. He goes to the next house. The guy sitting on his porch fishing. And he acts, have you ever seen the wolf? He's like, yeah, I've seen him plenty of times. Just leave him alone.

He'll leave you alone. So it turns out that Dogman, not only is he the crypto terrorists, you know, he's the equivalent of Al-Qaeda in the crypto-zoology world, in my opinion, or ISIS, you know, this thing is everywhere, you know. And just like the one that I can't talk about, that's in Ohio. And they're having activity in Ohio from Dog Man. So it really is, and I've never seen anything like this, and I never heard of anything where an animal is intentionally terrorizing people, you know. And it just shows that it goes to tell you how intelligent this creature is and how intelligent this crypto creature is because it has the ability to reason and find scary. You know, a cuckooca doesn't scare you that sneaks up on you to eat you, you know? A bear just runs up on you and destroys you.

Lions roar. Yeah, that's because they want to let you know. But essentially, after they roar at you, they come and eat you. They don't terror. Animals don't typically have that way of thinking of where they terrorize a person. And that's the scariest thing I'm about. dog man. Tell us about your own encounter. Tell us what happened. For the audience, tell us what you're doing and just walk them right into what happened. Okay, so, and I'll be as quick as this

as possible to bring you guys up the speed of my encounter. The first encounter I had, the first encounter that I heard about Dogman was the one that happened at Bayou Savage. I went out and interviewed that gentleman. And then it led to us a secondary encounter. And I ended up speaking with a friend of mine that works for a proud company named David, and David hooked me up with Skip. Skip is the lineman that had his encounter outside of Taylor, Mississippi. And Skip having to know, Dave, and I was like, okay, Dave, I really want to talk to this guy. So I interviewed Skip. He gives me an open invitation to come out to Oxford, Mississippi. And like a fool, I take the invitation. In retrospect, it was foolish for me to do that because, in hindsight, it was foolish for me.

for me to do that because it led to me to have my own encounter. So he takes me on a tour of the area. You know, when I say a tour, I mean, we're slowly driving around. He's pointing out places where there are currently activity. He drove me by a few farms where people are being attacked now and their livestock are being killed and people who are going out of business because, you know, they sell eggs and things of that nature and they just can't, they can't survive because of the things that are going on. towards the end of the day

he takes me to where his encounter was right and we're just outside of his truck talking about his encounter because I wanted to put him back in that situation and get a feel for what really happened to him because if you take a person back to the space

of their encounter they're going to relive it and that's what was going on he was reliving talking to me about it and as the sun saw setting behind the trees he starts to get skittish and nervous he's like, hey man, we really need to go. And at this point in time, I'm still kind of skeptical of all this, but I'm respectful.

And in every conversation, I try and treat you from a skeptics mentality, every conversation I have, but I'm always respectful of the person. And if when I believe them or not, they'll never know that. But at the end of the day, I always respect people in the comments. I've had so many things happen to me in my life and this crazy thing. And so as we're standing there talking, we start hearing this rumbling. sound coming through the woods. And it's a low rumble at first, and it gets louder and louder, and then it's tree limbs breaking, trees falling over. And I describe it as the sound of NFL linemen running through the woods, except for they're breaking everything in that way.

You know, it's like, it was terrible. When I say it was a terrible sound, it really was the most terrible sound that I've ever heard because you know something is coming for you. and he goes back to the truck. I mean, he literally starts walking quickly back to the truck, and he positions himself with one leg in a truck, one leg outside of truck. And I'm a lolly gagging, you know, I'm just like, oh, okay. You know, and again, I'm hearing these noises,

but my mind hasn't made the connection that it hasn't become real to me. You know, it's one of those things where it takes, I don't know how to explain it, But it takes a while for you to really come to the reality that this is something that's truly dangerous. And then when it hit me, that was truly dangerous and it was too late. So I'm now walking towards a truck. I position myself on the passenger side with the door kind of halfway open, resting on my butt, too I could climb in, but I didn't climb in. And he's freaking out.

He's like, you're coming. They're coming, man. They're coming. I'm telling you. And he's calling the distances. And he's like, man, that's about 150 yards away, man. get in the truck, did in the truck, and then he pulls off. And when I say, I'm talking about pull off on me, like, he floors it, gone.

The door hits me in the butt, it swings back open. I look over, and it's, the truck is going down the road. The door is swinging kind of bagging forth open, trying to close itself, and I'm standing there. And it's, and so those sounds come to a screeching halt. Like, and I'm never, I, I've never known, like, I've owned dogs before. Normally if a dog runs and it stops running.

It has to slide a little bit of skin a bit. I mean, it's a complete stop. Boom. And everything is solid. Deadly solid. No noises. No nothing. And now I'm standing there.

They put a distance, I would say, 30 yards from the actual woodline on the other side of the road. I'm freaking out because I'm left by myself. I mean, and all kind of thoughts run through your head, when you're in that kind of situation. And the most prevailing things,

thought was, man, you are such an idiot because you came out here looking for something and you weren't prepared and you never really took it serious enough to prepare yourself for something happening. You know, like if I would have took it serious, then maybe I would have got a shotgun or something for someone. Or maybe I would have brought one of my other weapons that I had from house, but I didn't take it serious enough. And that really, that really bothers me to the state, although I don't think there was anything that I could do. So I'm standing there and freaking out sweating, my heart racing. I'm feeling lightheaded and busy.

And like I tell my subscribers all the time, ever since this incident, I've been working out every day because I'll never be caught in a situation like that where I knew I couldn't run from it. I mean, I'm just not in the shape to outrun anything. I can't outrun my 12-year-old son. So I'm not in shape to outrun something like that.

So I just stand there. And the only thing I could think of born was raising my fist, like I was going to fight. And the only that I could do. So I end up raising my fist. And as I'm raising my fist to defend myself in whatever way possible, that is when I hear Skip's truck screeching to a halt. And I can hear him turning around because he's revving the engine.

He had to burn $30 worth of gas the way he did this. Because you can hear his engine revving like, whew-hmm. And you can hear him coming. back my way. And as he's coming back my way around this little slight turn, it lights up the area, including me and it starts to light up that wood line. And I see a seven, six, seven foot tall figure move from left to right, from one tree to the next, right?

And as I see that, my eyes get huge. And I'm like, oh, really, something's really there. But he slams on his brake, slides up, literally slides a cart next to me where he's in the driver's window screaming at me and I'm looking almost face to face with him he's like get in the truck get in the truck get in the truck and so I try to hop in the bed of the truck because I'm not going around to the passenger side of the truck because it's going to put me closer to whatever this is and in the original story I kind of tell it like I was able to jump in the truck and pull off like I'm one of the extendables but no what really happened is I tried to throw my leg up in a truck

and I couldn't get in and I tried again I couldn't get in so then I hit the I went to the back tire jumped up on a tie and jumped in the bed of the truck and I laid down flat and he pulled off and then we got further up and further away he pulled over I hopped in the truck with him in the passenger side and we went at it back and forth cursing and screaming and initially I was very very upset with him when I say upset I mean I could have hurt him but when I looked in his eyes and saw the terror and fear in his eyes he said man I would have never left you I didn't I thought you were in the truck you know it made me feel a lot better and Since then, Skip and I have become very, very good friends. I mean, I talked to Skip two times a week. Now, Skip will not go in that area anymore. He's petitioned to have his territory changed to where he doesn't work in that area anymore. So that's how serious it is for him. And then just the effect that it had on me, you know, last night I tried to go to sleep.

It took me two hours to go to sleep because I never had anxiety over anything. We talked about somebody who survived Hurricane Katrina. We're talking about somebody who survived some very, very interesting times in his life where I dealt with some sketchy people and I never had anxiety. But now I have anxiety attacks at night. And I thought I was having a heart attack last night until I Googled everything and looked it up. And it was anxiety. It's this sinking feeling in your chest like in the shortness, quick shortness of breath. And I know that's wrong with my heart because I had my heart check.

I work out. You know, I can get on an elliptical machine and do five miles. in no time. I left weights. That's wrong in my heart, but I have this anxiety that I've never had. And it all stems from that encounter. That's why I say that this creature is a terrorist. I mean, it terrorizes you.

And it instills some form of fear in you that just, it's not normal. And just for those people who think that you want to have an encounter with this creature, don't do what I did. You know, don't be an idiot. and go out looking for something that you just, you're not prepared to deal with that. And that's my advice to people, because when I tell you,

it took me two hours, it took me two hours. And eventually I prayed and say, hey, God, you know what? If I'm going to die my sleeping night, forgive me for my sins, and I need to rest.

I'm going to bed. And I was able to close my eyes and go to sleep. And I fell asleep, but it's just, it's just insane how it affects you physically. And everyone that I've spoken to, who that has had an encounter with these creatures, it affects them physically for months and years, how their bodies tend to change. And I don't know, I don't understand what that is.

That's one of the things that I'm going to start researching is what this type of fear does to you because it has to be doing something to your body. And I'm not a doctor, so I don't know what chemicals or hormones are released when you're afraid, but it must be such a massive release of it into your bloodstream that it must take a long time for it. I agree with you. It's something to where I always tell people first, be careful what you wish for. A lot of people want big foot encounters. They want dog man encounters. And I always tell people, be careful what you wish for because it might just happen. But, you know, what you experienced with the anxiety and, you know, having trouble sleeping at night, a lot of people have big foot encounters and even dog man encounters.

They kind of go through that. They have a hard time sleeping for a long time. They have a hard time kind of dealing with it. You know, I've talked to a lot of people off the air that don't want to come on the show. And it's interesting, you'll find a lot of alcoholics. And it's usually guys that haven't talked about it for like 30 years. And that's the one thing that they're open about. I had just talked to a guy yesterday who's a hunter who experienced, you know, this hog being ripped apart and a Sasquatch eating it right in front of them. When I say right in front of him, he's probably, you know, 50 to 100 yards away. Sasquatch never saw him. But he said, hey, man, I saw it about 25 years ago and didn't have

anyone to tell, you know, who's going to believe you when he'd say something like that. And I started drinking. So there is an actual effect it has on people. It's kind of the shock, I think, of seeing something that isn't supposed to exist, seeing something that isn't supposed to be real. What was going on with Skip? What happened with Skip's encounter? Well, Skip was the Skip's job was to work and repair distribution lines. And so there was a storm in the area. And Skip went out and he was repairing the distribution lines. And so he's up in a bucket truck.

And Skip ends up getting surrounded by these creatures to the point to where, you know, those bucket trucks go about 20 to 22. I think the max he thought him was 25 feet now. And he'd forgive me. But he's elevated as far up as he can get in the bucket truck. And he's literally high. hiding in a truck. And this is another thing. And when he originally told me this was, I was like, oh, man, he's playing with me. This can't be real. But after my experience, now it's all tying together. He's in the truck. And he says, it sounds like someone is throwing gravel and a whole bunch of rocks at the side of the, at the bottom and the side of the bucket, which is this kind of metal bucket that they're in. And initially I said, well, you know, why would dog man do that? But, after having so many conversations with people about how they actually terrorize you,

they just, he was in a confined space where he could be terrorized. And they terrorized this man. And now in the story, I condense everything down to where it's like, you know, well, it's easily swallowed and palpable for people,

but people have to realize that man was in that bucket for over an hour with these things walking around him in the dark, with these things throwing stuff, and not just one or two rocks. I'm talking about large amounts of rocks and gravel at him at the bucket truck. And to the point to where he finally realized that the only way he was going to get down was to distract them. And he shot a flare that they kept in their little emergency kits. It's like a flare gun, that's what he described it as.

He shot that in the air towards the wood, and he physically saw four of them run off into the woods, chasing that with a flare. And then I guess I will call this the alpha male one stood in the roadway and looked at him. It kind of smirked at him and he said it was kind of an evilish smirk or smile kind of tilted his head. And it looked kind of angry at him because she had distracted, I guess, whatever the other ones were. And then it took off in the direction of the rest of him. And that's how he came down out of the bucket and got the hell out of there. Now, one of the things that I didn't say is he didn't even bother to let the bucket down.

And this guy's driving down the street with the bucket up until he got far enough away to where he can, because he had to control it from outside. So he had to drive further down the roadway to where he felt safe. And then lift the bucket down. And when he got back to safety, he called his boss and told his boss that he, you know, he couldn't finish the job, but it needed to be done. And so he asked for help. And that's how he ended up talking to Edward, which his name is not the real name, but ended up talking to Edward. And him and Ed had to go back to the area and finish the last three polls that needed to be taken care of. And they came back.

And they were still in the area. And Ed just ignored him and did his job. But he was still being terrorized. And that is how a lot of people don't know how I ended up talking to Ed and getting his stories. That is how I ended up getting all of Ed's information and all his stories. And right after that, Ed retired. And that was that. So, you know, there's a lot of activity.

in that area. Did the witness ever describe to you what they saw? Yeah, he did. He described, Skip described initially when he was in a truck, he was looking down to the next power pole, and he said it looked like a tall guy in black fur that was rubbing his back on one of the power lines because the actual wires were vibrating and moving.

And so that was the first thing that really caught his attention. And he said the sounds were the other things that called his attention. Now, when he shot the flare in the air, he described it to a T. I mean, it's been consistent with every other description I've had except for one guy who pretty much described a big foot with a head of a wolf. But it was a black dog, long pointed ears, a long snout. And the thing that stood out to him the most was the nose. because as it approached towards the truck, he could see how big the nose of this dog was. And it walked on two legs and it held its, and he called it flaws, but everything was down

towards his side. He described the shoulders being massive like a bodybuilder, and he's tapering down to a slim waist. And he also described it having a long tail. So Skip's descriptions were very, very good. and as time has progressed, I've grown to have a greater appreciation for people's description of these animals because, again, at first, I did not,

I was a skeptic. So now I pay a lot more attention to the descriptions. And the same description from the guy who has the dog, Buck, he described the exact similar animal, the same color black to say, except for this one had a, it snout, I guess, you know how the dog has the nostrils, the snout on the one that

that was in the counter with the dark buck had a slit in it like it was kind of cut open or it had been cut open in the past. So it's just a frightening image and it's a frightening thing you even think about. Now the other ones that ran off, what he described those as were different colors. One, two are dark black color and the other two are like a brownish blackish color. So, and also at the same time, he did say, hey, man, you know, all the only light I had was a light from the bucket on my truck. And also the light from the flare when it went in the air. And he was like, but I saw black and brown two, one, two black, two brown going off in that direction. So he was around about five of these creatures.

And I could, I could never imagine being in an isolated situation like that where I'm up in the air and I can't come down. And I'm somehow out about five of these creatures. Yeah, no kidding. I mean, God, that would be terrifying. It's interesting with these dog man encounters. Do you get reports of the tale? Yeah, I do. I do get reports from the tail.

I get reports of, sometimes I get reports of tail. Sometimes I get reports of tales. But I get more reports of tales than not having tales. Then I get reports to people who've seen them, and I guess it's a more younger version of it. And a lot of those reports I can't, I really don't get into because I don't have permission to talk about them. But I've got reports of young. younger versions of them that are, I guess you would say adolescent, I don't know, that have way shorter tails, but they actually walk on their hind legs.

So it runs the gambit. I mean, gray ones, black ones that are jet black to the point to where it's almost like the sun is absorbed into their fur. Brownish red ones. It just, it runs the gambit. It's actually very scary to believe that because that shows you that there's some kind of diversity in the breeding of these creatures or serious diversity of the breeding in these creatures. And if there's a diversity in the breeding, then there's a diversity in probably the way these things think, and the way some are more aggressive than others. And it's just, it's so new to me that it's like peeling the layers of an onion back. And you're just trying to figure out, man, what's really going on with these creatures?

Yeah, it is. It's very interesting. I want to come back to one thing that you just said about the sunlight, kind of being absorbed by them. But before I do, you know, I talked to a guy, gosh, probably two weeks ago, three weeks ago, and he was talking about this white polar bear he saw. And this was in Virginia, I believe. And he was saying he saw a white polar bear. And I said, you saw a white polar bear.

And he goes, yeah, as I was driving up, it was crossing over the road and going down in this canyon. And as I drove up on it, I realized it wasn't a polar bear. it was a large, what appeared to be like wolf-like creature with a long tail. He goes, but imagine the size of a polar bear and then basically give it a wolf's body and that's what I saw. He goes, they had this long tail and it was completely white. The creature was completely white. And he didn't know what it was.

You know, he never used the term big foot or dog man. He's like, I thought it was a polar bear until I rolled up on it and realized it wasn't. So they are seen a lot. They are seen a lot more than I think most people realize. What are you finding? You'd made one comment there that caught my attention about the sun absorbing into the color of the fur. What did you mean by that? Well, in the original encounter that I covered, and this was the Baie Savage encounter.

And again, I was idiot. I went to Baizu Savage, and there's footage of Baiz Savage because I didn't believe him, but I didn't believe him again, being skeptic. but in hindsight, I will never do that again. But the original story was about this gentleman who was an Army Ranger. And people who've heard, know the background, but just quickly, you know, I'm at a cigar shop here in the wall and he's talking to one of my very close friends. He's giving me stories about his days with DEA and FBI. And sitting across from us is this gentleman that pretty much looks like one of the expenditures,

like you like Sylvester Stallone or one of those other people. and he's smoking a cigar, he's got a, he's got a glass of pickle, a scotch, a bourbon, one or the two. And he's, and he's looking at us, and he says, I have a story I want to share, but you won't believe it. But I'm in, you know, I'm a very talk to the person, and it's easy to talk to people, so I said, sure, I'll talk to you. I give him a free cigar, we start talking, he starts telling me his story about being out at Bayoucavaj, wildlife refuge, fishing in Lake Pontchartrain, and being trapped with one of these dogmen, on one side of a moving train and him on the other. The thing that took out the most to me in his encounter was, number one, that as a train was coming, he went up to levy.

And for those people who don't know about the levees in Louisiana, that is our flood protection and storm protection, storm search protection. Our whole city is surrounded by there because if not, then, you know, we die and we drown pretty much at any form in time, right? So he ascends this levy and gets ready to start smoking and let the train pass. and he looks out into the bayou and he sees this what he thought was the head of a bear swimming in the bayou. And he's like looking at this thing swimming through the water. It catches, it catches him and sees him looking at him.

It changes direction and comes from him and comes out of the water and shows itself to him. As he sees this thing come out of the water, he literally races back down and tries to put the train between it and him. And essentially the, he's running alongside the train. trying to get away. The train conductor actually saw it, and I've been trying to find out who this train conductor could have been, but there's no way of knowing. Finally, when the train

passes, he ascends the levee again with his weapon in hand ready to shoot this thing and get away, and it's a little bit further away from him than it was prior to when he first saw it, but one of the things that he described was the fur was so black and so dark that it looked like the sun

when the sun hit it, it was a black void. Like it was some kind of way it was sucking in the light from the sun. You know, there's a reflection to everything. You know, if there's a black car out there's a reflection, if you have a black shirt on, the sun tends to just reflect off it just a little bit. Not a lot, but just enough. But he was like, man, there was nothing. It was like it was, I knew it was an animal.

I knew it was a creature, but it was like the sun, light was absorbed into it. And I thought that was real strange when he first said it, But I've also talked to other people who had encounters with the dark jet black dog, man, and they said the same thing. It's like, man, it's like the sun, when the sun hits it, it's this weird look to it. Like, it's just absorbing the light from the sun. And it's like it doesn't reflect anything. And so that's about all I can tell you on it, why that happens?

I don't know. Maybe it's just the color is that black and that dark that's what it is. But I couldn't tell you why, but that is how he described his encounters. me. Yeah, it's interesting. I know I've talked to a few witnesses that have had Sasquatch encounters, and they've described the same thing to me. And then I had a scientist email me one time, and he said, it's the pigment in the skin. It has to do with the pigment in the fur and the skin. And it brings that, it kind of sucks in the light. And he kind of gave me some examples of Hollywood, how they have different lightings, and certain colors they avoid because they have that same thing that happens on film.

but it has to do with the pigment of the skin and the pigment of the fur. And, you know, whether that's true or not, it sounds like a great explanation to me. But I've talked to other witnesses with Sasquatch that have described that same type of thing. Have you ever talked to anyone that's gotten physically attacked by a dogman? Yeah, I have spoken to people who've been physically attacked, but I really don't have permission to get into those encounter encounters.

I mean, I have something where people were abducted, people were attacked, but I just don't have the permission to get into those. The one that kind of really gets into the most of, that kind of gives you a run of the gambit of the encounters, and what happens with Dogman really is the siege of Lock and Ranch, because it talks about everything. And it's kind of like it sums up all the interactions with Dogman in one story. And a lot of people

who listen to it, but for people who haven't, the gentleman Ed is, this is his account from when he was 12, 13 years old in 1948, the things that were going on with his family at their property. And in that story, it proves that these creatures are number one, very territorial

and that once their territory is invaded or you trespass on the territory, they do everything to run you out of there, right? And then if you end up attack, and it's kind of like lessons learned from that story, and this is, I guess, the best would approach it. And if you harm or enter these creatures in any way, then they are coming for you.

And they come, and they will come and kill you. So it's one of those things where the Seager Lockett Ranch really, really exposes a lot of the myths about dog, man. Because initially there was this thought process that these creatures didn't attack and kill people, right? I heard that, you know, I heard that perpetuated over and over and over and then, oh, you know, you'll have a run in with these creatures and they won't do you anything. They'll turn away at the last moment and they won't hurt you. Well, no, I completely disagree with that. I mean, there's a number of accounts of canine attacks that are known canine attacks all over the United States. It's just not true at the end of the day.

In that story, there were several men, I want to say seven or eight men who came up missing. and were killed by dogmen. The first one was one of the loggers that was out logging on the land and he was with a friend of his and he was only 20, 20 yards away, or 20 feet, 20 yards away from this guy. And the guy turned his back

and he was told him in the conversation. When he turns around, the guy's gone. Later on, they only find his bloody shirt with a tear in it. So these creatures are not only Apex Predators and smart and cunning, but they're deadly at the same time.

So if anyone wants to hear about really some of the real true things that have happened with Dogman, that story, and it's a three-part story, it really, I really took a lot of time and energy to make sure that I touched on everything I could that I was told that would kind of dispel some of the myths about Dogman. And another example is about the level of intelligence. Things like them turning doorknobs at the back of the house, we're trying to break in the front of the house, distract. distraction techniques that they use. Them literally digging under the house. These things are things that, again, only a predator that has the ability to reason will do it. They're more on top of people's rules. It's just things that are predator that has the ability, extreme ability to reason and think we'll do.

So, again, I cannot warn people more than I've already have, but I will say I don't advise anybody to go out looking for these creatures. because you're going to bite off way more than you can chew. You do really, really well. Yeah, and I highly recommend everyone. If you go to YouTube and type in Dark Waters, and look for the Dogman, the Siege of Lockett Ranch. It's a great story. He did a great job on a DW.

You really did. I highly recommend it. I'll include a link under this. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, I'll include a link to Darkwater's channel. I did one yesterday. If you get a chance, go subscribe to them. What do you think Dogman is? You know, that's a great question, and that kind of circles back to what, in the original story,

I told you about my childhood and the preacher, and I've been forced to try and go from a historical researching background and try and find information about them. Initially, I thought that they were, and I thought they were some form of Nephilim or some form of animal that had been created from Falling Angels. I initially thought. Then my thought process moved to, okay, well, maybe this, you know, we got all these genetically modified things going on. Maybe there's some kind of genetically modified creature. But as I started reading historical accounts of these creatures being around 4,000, 5,000 years ago, I said, okay, well, I mean, the American government wasn't around 5,000 years

ago. America wasn't around, so it couldn't, it can't be that. And so I just narrowed it down to my thought process being either these creatures truly are some form of, some form of nephalum, which would be the seas of fallen angels or something that was created from that point in time, or these creatures are something that have been here forever, and they've survived the changes that this earth has gone through. And the planet goes to rapid changes. We're going through changes. And not with all these earthquakes.

So at the end of the day, do I know for sure. or no, those are my two theories at this moment, the more I research those theories will probably evolve and change because I really am researching this more and more. I don't think anyone is an expert on this because I don't think there's a way to be an expert on these creatures because it's not safe for you to physically go in their presence, you know? I think there could be a person who's an expert on Bigfoot because, you know, if there's certain rules that I'm hearing that and understanding that, as long as you don't cross certain boundaries with Bigfoot, you may be safe, although they will probably eat you as well.

And if you probably get a bad big foot, and they'll definitely eat you. But I don't see any way anyone can truly accurately research these creatures. Now, what I will say is I'm aware that our government knows about these creatures. I'm very aware that they know about them. And that's something I can't talk about. But I know for a fact that they are aware that these creatures exist, they are aware of where they are, why they haven't done anything about it. I don't know. I can't answer that question, but I know they are aware of it.

And those are several, those are some of the conversation that I have that I can't disclose because it's not safe for me or the other person, but they know that these creatures exist and they know that they're out there. I wish I could talk to someone who would really give me the lowdown on what they really are. But then again, be careful what you ask for because when you get it, there's always consequences to everything. So I don't know, man. I don't know. Just to be honest with you. It's interesting. It kind of falls into, you know, it's funny when I first started talking to people, they would describe the dog man to me. And, you know, there's a Sasquatch out there that has a protruding snout. I've talked to many witnesses that have seen it. It has a protruding snout. And that's what I always assumed what the dogman was. I thought people were misidentifying what they were seeing. I thought people were, you know, not understanding what they were seeing. And so they were calling it a dog man. And as I started talking to more and more witnesses about the dog man, the more and more I started realizing you're talking apples and oranges compared to Bigfoot.

This is something completely separate. But what I found is people are very consistent on what the description is, on what they're seeing. I even talked to a guy one time that was attacked by one. I can't give too many details about it because of the whole situation, but he had been picked up and thrown by one. And what he told me was he said, Wes, this you're wrong. about the dog man it is real here's what i saw and he starts describing to me had a head of a german shepherd had little beady eyes it looked and it just looked evil and this thing had actually picked him up and thrown him um and he still has physical marks from this attack but he ended up shooting

it uh shooting he thought he shot he was aiming for the head and when he shot it he blew he thinks he blew the middle finger off because it was reaching down for him after it had thrown him uh and there was other witnesses that had seen this attack But it's a very interesting story. And from that point is when I really started thinking, you know what, maybe there's something to this dog man. Maybe there's something, because I've known this guy forever. And he starts telling me the story about being attacked. When I talk to witnesses sometimes and you hear the story, you walk through the encounter with them,

you kind of get a sense of why Sasquot showed up, whether it's territory, they just wanted the person to leave, they wanted the food or that person was in danger of being killed. You can kind of put two and two together on what's going on. With the dog man, what are you finding why there's such aggression from them? Well, here's what I found. There's two scenarios in which people end up encounter these creatures. The first scenario is they're out in the words, they're hunting and it stumbled upon what's considered to be their territory.

And in that case, as long as that person exists, it to the territory and does not show any active aggressions, doesn't shoot them, then they're fine. Now, and one of the stories that's coming out real soon, I'm working on it now, and I can talk about this one, a father and a son or a hunting blind, and the son is, it says he's 13 years old, and he's taking his son hunting for the first time, he gives his son a rifle, his son sets it up, gets ready to shoot, he digs down into one of his backpacks to get some beef jerky and water. starts firing. And he's like, son, what are you shooting at? When he looks up, there is a deer on one end of the clearing and a big wolf-like creature running behind a deer. The son has tried to

shoot the deer and end up hitting the dog man, right? Now, the father and the son exit, because the father's like, this is not normally, exit the tree stand or the blind is what he called it, take back to their car, and then a day later, that creature is in their backyard. right and it terrorizes them for three days this happened in southeast louisiana um so in this case they were in the dogman's hunting grounds they made the mistake of shooting it and it followed them right and it terrorized them now it could have easily broken into the house and he described how um how easily it could have came through the sliding glass black door but it didn't um and he also talks about how it killed his neighbor's dog now that's one scenario right so you're in its

territory and you just so happen to have the bad luck of stumble upon its territory and then you make even worse mistake by assaulting into some way should form and it comes back and it sends your message. The other scenario in which, and that's when aggression is shown, the other scenarios that I've encountered with people is that they are out and about minding their own business and they're on like a roadway or they're somewhere that's heavily populated and they run across you know, on the outskirts of a heavily populated area. And they run across one of these creatures. And typically that creature is trying to intimidate them and get them to leave out of its presence, right?

Now, those are the two scenarios that I have encountered when I talk to people. And again, when people talk about dog man coming to their homes, it's typically because their homes is in an area that's a part of this territory where it roams. whether it's just migratory area where it's going, hunting, or maybe where it's mating, you see that aggression. And then you see another form of, and the aggression turns to a form of terrorism, in my opinion, and from what I've seen, it turns into a form of terrorism, once you've done something to assault these creatures. So now it's kind of like it's amping up a level.

And then from there, after it goes through terrorizing you, if you don't get the message, then it goes to the point to where it's assaulting, trying to break in houses. and kill people. And then on the other side, there's people who just have the unfortunate encounter of stumbles upon these things where they're, I guess they're migrating from one point to another point, and it's not in their territory, and they want you to leave their presence. Now, I'm a firm believer that, and the more I study this, I'm a firm believer that when we talk about people like the missing 401 with David Pilates and things that are going on, I'm a firm believer that both Bigfoot and Dogman are culprits of this of people coming up missing.

And the more I've thought about it and the more I put energy into it, you know, how do you disclose to people, right? That there's two different apex predators that are on federal lands or federal parks and recreation lands. How do you expose that to people? And how do you tell them that, right? it's nearly impossible, right? First of all, because most people are not going to believe it, and they're still going to go out and do what they're going to do. And then secondly, I mean, how do you get the general public to believe

or understand that something like this exists? The reason why I'm pretty sure that they don't keep up but keep track of the names of these people and how many people are going to message, because the minute that you have track cover, you have to be responsible for explaining what happens to these people. So hypothetically, there is a body that you do find that's torn into pieces, right? and you know it's not a dog, you know it's not a wolf, you know it's something worse, you know, you have to be responsible for that information.

And the only way to not be responsible for information is to pretend that it doesn't exist. So I'm a firm believer that these creatures are actually the culprits in these situations. And I think it's dangerous. And you won't find me in any woods or parklands or camping or anything like that. I'm not doing it. You know, I'll stick to the city. I'll deal with the criminals trying to be. breaking your car and steal your cell phone before I go out in the woods. Yeah, I tend to agree with you.

I think that Dogman and Sasquatch are responsible for a lot of the missing people. And I've said that before on the show in the past. I really think that these sayings do snag people. One of the things I wanted to ask you, and you don't have to go into the story. But earlier you had mentioned you had actually spoken to someone who had been taken by a dogman. Were they able to escape? Or was that? No, I didn't have. No, I'm probably missing. spoke. I wasn't saying that I spoke to someone who had been taken. I spoke to some people who are in law enforcement who informed me about a case where two people were taken by dogman and they have no doubts about they found the actual hair in the people's house. They found footprints inside

the house. So I didn't talk to the person who self was taken because that person is, those two people are missing. But I have talked to people in law enforcement who talk about, who's explained to me that they had missing cases, persons. Missing persons cases where people have been abducted out of their homes. So I must have misspoke when I said that that was not what I was trying to get across. No, no, no, no, that's okay. You know, and it's interesting, too, you talk about the door handle moving with these dogman encounters. And you hear that a lot with Sasquatch encounters.

I've talked to people in the past. There's a famous track that was taken by a police officer. they found dermal ridges in it. But originally why he cast that track, what led up to him casting that track, is constantly being called out to these old people's homes. They kept going on and on and on about these apes harassing them and harassing them night after night after night.

And he thought it was a bogus call until about the fifth or six time out there. Then he realized, you know, there's something to this. These people aren't lying. He got that famous track. When you run into the, when you're talking to people about these dogs, men. Do you find that the dogmen run alone or are they running in groups? Kind of like what the Sasquatch, you know, when I talked to witnesses, they always say they saw one, but they always felt like there was two or three more nearby. Are you finding that with these dogman encounter cases,

or is it just a one solo creature they're running into? The overwhelming consensus from people that I've spoken to is that not only is it more than one, it's between four and five that they are that once they encounter one you see one but there are others that are there that you can feel and you can sense and that you hear them moving around you and again these creatures again this is a form of crypto terrorism because these creatures can be as silent as they want to be but they let people know that they're there so no they're running especially the canine types which is a lot of the reports i'm getting these are the ones that have the long tails and actually look like wolves or german shepherds and it's interesting because you you described

them as looking like a German shepherd. And then there's other descriptions of them looking like a black timber wolf. So there's so many different variations. And the black timber wolves are the ones that I'm getting from a lot of from here in Louisiana. There's a lot of variations. But one thing that's been consistent is it's more than one. Now, in that situation with Buck, the dog on a boat, should we come out soon? That was only one.

Now, why I was only one? I don't know. But the other encounters where I'm talking to people, I don't know, it's more than one, especially some of the ones where I've talked to hunters that have been out in the woods, and the dog man that showed himself to them, revealed himself. Like, he would have never known that the creature was there, but he decided to reveal itself to him. Not only did he see that one, but he felt the presence of the other ones.

And he heard the footsteps or the footballs, I guess, are the right words of it. to describe it behind him, to the left and to the right of him. And he was able to get out of that situation and back out of there. So it's really, to me, it's really confusing because these things are unpredictable,

because you would think that that guy would have been lunch. You know, it's four or five of them. It's him. We should never heard from him again, right? But he got away. But in one case, they follow a family home. I follow them son home. So it's really completely unpredictable and I attribute that unpredictability to again the level of intelligence of the creatures

because if they would simply predators, they would have nothing but an instinct or an urge to pounce on you and eat you, right? And it wouldn't be able to resist that urge. I'm going to eat you, your lunch, you know, your dinner for the night and that's done. So I attribute that inconsistency to their to their intelligence level because it's clearly they're making some decision to let you go or to scare you or to terrorize you or to kill you. So I just think, again, that we're dealing with a highly intelligent creature that runs impacts. And that's extremely dangerous and extremely deadly. Yeah, they seem very unnatural.

They seem like a very unnatural creature, don't you think? And unnatural. What sense do you mean unnatural? You mean like supernatural or do you mean unnatural as an unnatural behavior? year. Well, I mean, it seems like every dogman witness I've spoken with, the one word that comes up all the time is evil. They said it was evil. Or they felt, like you said, they felt a presence of another one nearby. And they just, I mean, just a upright standing canine seems unnatural. It just seems very unnatural to me. Yeah, I agree with you. And in the sense that, in the essence, that I think upright walking canine is just completely unnatural. but also, you know, I put so much thought into this because I thought to so many people about it. You know, I think a lot of it is perception as well.

So how do we perceive something that, and how do we, it's perception, and then there's the limitation to our verbal ability to describe some things, right? Because the average person doesn't know this exists, so the concept of it is alien to them. This description of it is alien to them. and it's something that doesn't against. So how do you describe seeing a 10-foot walking wolf? You know, how do you describe it? I mean, what words do you use?

And I think that the consensus has been that it's evil. I'm not saying that these creatures aren't evil because, hey, I know the feelings that I felt was the feeling of dread. I felt like I was going to die. I felt like someone was jumping out, going to jump out of the air and eat me. So I'm not saying that they aren't evil. I'm just saying that the way we describe them,

I think it's heavily based on, I think there's limitations as to how we can describe this entity of these preachers. And it's just because in our psyche, it doesn't exist in our psyche. It's something that's new to us. Now, could it be attributed to being described as being evil, be attributed to the simple fact that they're werewolf movies and we see him in the movies of the werewolves are evil? I don't know. I can speak from my personal experience and say that in my personal experience, I didn't feel evil. but I felt like I wasn't going to survive. I knew that I knew my was close to dying.

You know, that was a definite feeling that I had. So, and I've heard people describe them as being evil and sinister. And the thing that sticks out the most is, and these encounters where people talk about the animal tilting his head to the left or to the right and smirking or kind of smiling at them or snarling at them. And again, that's why I call them Dog Man the Crypto-Tel. because those type of things are just, it's just insane that a creature would do that to you. So I can definitely see someone calling it evil.

I just call it in a question, you know, the use of language with it, because I just think that at the end of the day, how else do you call something like that? You know, what, how else do you describe? How else does your mind process that type of encounter other than, man, this has something had, this has to be evil. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, I know exactly what you mean? You know, I never talked to a hunter that said he saw a cougar and thought it was evil. I've never spoken with a hunter who said he saw a bear and he thought it was evil. But the strange thing about the dog man is everyone I've ever spoken with, that word seems to come up.

It seems to be in the vocabulary when they're describing it. Can you tell us about the father and son that were followed home? Yeah, well, so essentially, I think I touched on it earlier, the father and the son, or out hunting, the son ends up trying to shoot the deer, ends up hitting the dog man that's pursuing the deer. And the father being smart and says, this is not normal, quickly gets his son into the truck.

And they get home that night, the son comes jumping in, like literally, and anybody who's at kids, you know how your child acts when they're afraid. He's laying in a bed, and he's awakened by his son flying through the air, landing on top of him and his wife in the bed, screaming, there's a monster outside.

There's a monster outside. And initially he wasn't going to take it serious. But then he thought about what he had seen earlier that day. And when he went to its son's bedroom to look out the window, he saw a huge shadow move towards the back of the house. And when he went to the back of the property, I mean, not to the back of the property, I went to the back of the house where his large sliding glass door is. And you know how apartments have those sliding glass doors or, you know, old school houses have the sliding glass doors. Yeah.

He goes to the sliding glass door, and this dog man walks out from the side of his house and to his yard and looks at him. He's like, man, this is crazy, and he's trying to figure out what to do. He goes to get his shotgun. When he comes back, it's not there. By this time, his wife is awakened, and she's, like, trying to figure out what's going on. And he goes back to the window, I mean, not the window, the glass door, and it's looking out. And his wife starts talking to him, and as he turns around, he's talking to his wife and saying, you know, hey, baby, so Kay, don't worry about it. I saw something trying to calm her down and get her to go back in a room.

She sees it behind him, and he describes his wife's faces going completely and totally pale. Her eyes being so big that he had never seen anyone eyes get that big, and she screamed and ran back to the bedroom. He turns around, it's standing in the yard again. And then it starts off to the other side of his house, and that next day he finds out that his neighbor had an encounter with the creature that same, night and that their dog, his neighbor's dog was killed. So I'm not going to go any more story because it actually has two or three and there's two nights or three nights where they were harassed by this creature. But it's a great, interesting story.

And I'm going to, that was one that I was trying to get done the day so I can premiere it on your show. And I might just hold on to it. And we could do another one. I give it to you then. But it's a good story, but it's a very, very, very scary story because the actual neighbor next door, and we talk about next door, this is not like New Orleans where you can reach out and touch your neighbor's house.

There's a little bit of distance between these houses, but the guy who's his neighbor actually saw his dog get killed and saw his dog get ripped the shred. So it's crazy. So who have I talked to about this story? I talk to the father. I've spoken to the son, and I've talked to the neighbor.

The wife won't talk about it. She will not discuss it. I'm talking to the father and son, and she's in the background, and she's kind of commenting, yeah, that's what happened. You know, that's what happened. But I said, well, can I talk to her? She won't talk to me about it.

and she'll say, I don't want to, I don't want to relive there. I just don't want to relive it. And it just left them alone. There was nothing they can do. It just left them alone. They called the police out and the police had, you know, people patrol the neighborhood. The sheriff had people patrol in the neighborhood, but it just decided to leave them alone. So, again, why I didn't run through that glass and just eat that whole family?

I don't know, you know, when it could have. And in other cases, it has, you know, into people's house. I don't know why I didn't, but it's a strange cryptic, like I said. That's why I'm calling it the crypto-terrorist. Yeah, and I tend to agree with you on that crypto-terrorist thing. They definitely are the crypto-terrorists. What is the height and average weight you get of the dog, man? I'm sure it's like Sasquatch.

It can vary. But I would say just as an average, what are you finding with the height and the weight of these creatures people report to you? You know, I've never really thought about. I've never looked at it from that perspective about the average height and weight. But what I can say is consistently, it's been over seven feet tall and 300 to 325, I would say. Now, there's one account where, and it's kind of hard to say because I don't really say height and weight because what I do is I ask people, So my concept in creating the stories is really about the emotions of the person. So I don't say, what was the height and weight of it?

But I say, can you describe it? How big was it? So I guess to give you an accurate, a better answer that would be, that I would say more comfortable saying is to compare it to other animals. I had descriptions of something that was, you know, seven foot tall that looked like a bear running. But when it stood up, it was seven foot tall and it had the head up over. wolf or a dog. And I'm not outdoors, so I couldn't tell you the average weight of a bear, but I would say take seven foot tall and whatever the weight of a bear is, and that was where you

would be. Because I really don't ask that question, you know, what's the height and weight of it? My question is, can you describe it and how did it make you feel? What was going on with your body when you had this encounter? Because my story is about capturing the human element of these encounters. And it highlights the creatures. It highlights the crypto, you know, the cryptos, but it really boils down to what happened to the person. So I think that's a, and I'm not dodging a question, but it's just, that's the best way for me to answer it to be accurate and to be truthfully and honest with you. You know what I'm saying? That's the greatest non-answer I've ever heard. I'm just joking. No, I'm just playing with you.

No, no, I get what you're saying. You know, it's, it's, you got to let the witness talks. And then this is what I really respect of what you do from what you and I spoke the other night. You know, you and I are kind of kind of kind of kind of bigfoot shows, a lot of other Bigfoot researchers. And they kind of, they, they lose that. They lose that perspective of just through the witness eyes. And most witnesses aren't great on height or weight. I kind of do the same thing. You know, compared to you, you're six foot. big would you say the creature was compared to you, you kind of start to draw conclusions on it. But I would tend to agree with you. I would say that of the witnesses I've spoke to anywhere from

six to seven feet tall, three to 400 pounds is probably your average from the very few witnesses I've actually spoken with. One of the questions I wanted to ask you about the dogman encounters. What type of vocalizations do you typically get from witnesses that have had these up close, personal encounters? The number one vocalization that I'm hearing and I've been getting is this growl that is the way that it's been described. I think that Ed had the best description of it was the growl is, it's a low rumbling growl, and it lasts anywhere between 10 to 45 seconds.

And I don't know what kind of creature can growl that long, but other than dog ran, It lasts for 10 to 45 seconds and it escalates. So it's a low rumbling ground and then it gets louder and louder and louder and louder. And then there's a vibration that you feel associated with the ground that kind of encompasses your body and goes through your body. Now, the other vocalization is a howling sound. And I actually have some recordings of Dogman howls that are bone chilling. I typically don't share the evidence I get from people because once you roll out one piece of evidence, then you got to roll out everything else. But I'll send you some of those.

And this howling sound is you take the average wolf howlown that you would hear like any movie on it or on any, you know, out in the wilderness. And you amplified by 20. That's how loud it is. And several of the recordings I have are from end. side of people's houses where they put the phone cell phone to the window and you can tell it's far off but you can also tell how that that sound is traveling and it's so loud that it's being picked up on the cell phone to the point of where on the cell phone you would think it was you know a hundred yards away but when I asked a person well how far away is that oh man that

that sounds like it's an hollow on the other side of such and such and like wow you know so it's the growl but the growl is the most interesting intimidating thing that people who've experienced it, they say it's the sheer most terrifying thing that they've ever heard in their life. And it instills fear in them. And I think that I was talking to somebody the other day and they were saying that they believe that you dogmen growling and scare you because it sparks up certain hormones in your body. And if they go to eat you, you taste better. And I was like, well, that's kind of wild. But I started doing some research into it. it does force you to release certain hormones in your body and into your bloodstream.

So it makes sense, but I don't know if that's true. But it's the number one is the growl, number two is the howling sound. Now, in the seizure locket ranch story, I touch on the yipping sound that Ed described that would happen around the house when these creatures were communicating. And the actual end of the story is the, it's coyote's yippic because that is, exactly the sound that he told me. He was like, you know what? It sounds like, he says, sounds like big coyotes yipping to each other when they're

trying to talk. And I was like, talk. And he was like, yeah, it sounds like big coyotes yipping. I'm not from the wood. I was trying to bird coyote yip. So what I did was I went to find the coyotes yipping and I sent it to, and I said, hey, is this what it sounds like? He was like, yeah, but it's way louder than that and it's deeper than that.

And I was like, okay. So those are three vocalizations. Now, how they communicate? I don't know. I can't, I can't answer that question. But he did explain to me that there was a form of communication that they used when the animals were injured or when the creatures were injured that they did communicate back and forth. And it wasn't a growl. It was a yip. Yeah, that is interesting. And that was going to be my next question.

You know, sometimes in the Sasquatch encounters, people would describe the chatter. And I've heard the chatter myself. It sounds like, well, it sounds like a bunch of chimps chattering back and forth is the best way I would describe it. With regard to the dogman, have you heard of anyone reporting any sort of chatter, or is it mainly the three that you just mentioned? It's the three that I mentioned. I haven't heard anybody reporting. Now, I had some crazy people contact me and say stuff that I just think it's so far off the reservation that I kind of tuck it away, and they'll say stuff like, yeah, you know,

I heard two dogmen talking, or I saw two dogmen smoking cigarettes on the side of the road. Like, those things I really don't take serious because it's not concerned. consistent with the other things that I've heard. So I've heard people talking about, yeah, a dog man can talk like, like human beings. I'm like, uh, you know, bro, get off my phone. It's real late. I'm tired. And I want to have a glass of wine.

So they'll have been those things, but I really don't take those things serious, not enough for me to ever really get into it seriously on any kind of show where we're talking about it because it just, it just doesn't make sense. And it's not consistent with anything I've ever heard. in the way I, all the way I look at things as being true, because essentially all these are third party encounters and accounts, they have to have these true elements involved, right? And they have to have consistently have the same elements. One of the elements that is completely consistent across the board is the reaction of the

person who's had the encounter. And that reaction is a physical and emotional reaction. And it's consistent. It's either severe chest pain, sweating, feeling, nauseous, a feeling of doom, like they know they're going to die, and the word evil that you've used. Those things have pretty much been consistent, right? Then there's the consistency in the structure and in the way the animal reacts either through

the consistency of the physical characteristics of the creature, right? And that is one of the varying colors that we know about, the size and then the description of either a protruding snout. the ears are key and the eyes are key and especially the eyes shine which is very very key which the eye shine that I've gotten is a amberish eye shine color over and over and over and over again once or twice I got like a red or more red eye shine color from people but the amberish eye shine has been something that's been consistent so I look for these consistencies in the stories from each person who's had the encounter from the terrorism aspect um tearing the heads

off animals and throwing them on people's property or urinating on equipment that people used to for construction or urinating around someone's house or showing themselves at your back door but not doing anything or being on the roof. All these things are things that have been consistent with multiple conversations. The yipping sound is something that came directly from the siege of locket ranch research in the stories that I've spoken to with Ed. but in order for me to take something serious, it has to fall within this kind of,

in this boundary box of what I've already heard. And to say that someone's heard them talking outside of the yipping, nah, it just doesn't fall within that box. I guess you could say that margin of error for what people have already told me. I know I'm over speaking, but you kind of get what I'm saying, right? No, no, no, yeah. No, I get exactly what you're saying. You know, I've had, I've talked to people before.

I had this one guy one time I spoke to, and he was talking about being followed in the woods by several Sasquatches. And so I'm listening to him talk, and we're about 40 minutes into it. And I stopped and ask him, I said, well, what color were the creatures? Because this was like the middle of the day. And the guy says, they were the colors of the rainbow. And I said, what? He goes, yeah, one was pink, one was purple, one was, you know, silver, one was. and he started naming off all these.

And as we went farther and farther into his encounter, the more and more I started realizing that there, you know, this guy believed it happened to him, but, you know, there was just too much, too many weird things that were going on that were so outside of your normal encounter that there wasn't much there for me to work with. I wanted to ask you,

you know, we've talked about Sasquatch and Dogman being responsible for people being taken. And you've looked into the Sasquatch. Have you spoken with anyone that's had an aggressive encounter with the Sasquatch or been in a bad position with the Sasquatch? Oh, yeah. A number of stories from people who've been in some pretty bad situations with Sasquatch. Saskwatch is something to me that, again, I found that a little bit more palatable and believable than the dog man initially when I started hearing the stories. just because it's not too far fetched

that there could be some kind of a giant ape out there that we don't know about, right? So I didn't really find that to be something unbelievable. But I think the freakyest one is was submitted by a guy named Steve, and Steve is out of North Arkansas. He actually has given me a whole boatload of stories. And Steve and I go back away,

and it's on, I think, the three scary Bigfoot encounter stories that I have out there. And he talks about him and this guy from LSU, that he's a guy who played football for LSU that were out. I think it was in bowl shows. You have to forgive me because I do so much of these stories. Sometimes the details get me. I'm pretty sure it's both shows, Arkansas,

and they were along the White River. And they're kind of trudging along, looking for a place to, for a power line across over the river. And they're doing soul-boring, which is where you stop and you dig into the soil and you drill down into the soil and try and figure out what type of soil is underneath the top surface.

And they start hearing the sounds of these bird chirps, like these vocalizations of chirping, but it's way more deep and guttural than what a normal bird call would be. That's the word I'm like it for it, and a normal bird call would be. And as they proceed forward, Steve knows something's going on,

but the other guy doesn't. And so they continue moving down the down the riverbank and then all of a sudden it's saskwash appears and shows himself to them and I'm leaving out some of the details you have to go back to this to the story and the way it all started was a log is how he described it not a not a branch but a log flies over their heads and that's how their encounter starts and he has a weapon on them and it's a 380 and I remember the actual brand of 380 it was, but he had a 380 on him,

and he was thinking to shoot the creature, but, you know, it was like, what I'm going to do with this, a little bitty gun, and shoot this creature. And so they take off running, and the younger guy leaves him.

I mean, this guy played football for LSU, he takes off leaving him. And it's trailing them in the, in the wood lines, kind of above them, because they're at the riverbank, and the land kind of elevates up.

And it's trailing in the wood line above them, and Steve is the older man. And he starts to have the feelings I have on a heart attack. So he just stops running and says, look, man, I'm not going to dive. I'm going to stay on my ground and whatever I've got to do. But it leads him alone. It chases the other guy back to the truck. And this encounter is an encounter where the Sasquatch actually makes contact with the truck

and physically rams the truck as he's trying to get in it. And he scrambles around and gets into the truck and comes back to get Steve. Now, in that encounter, when Steve first told me about it, I was like, Steve, you know, this is really, unbelievable. And I meant it as if, like, I don't believe this. Until I talked to the gentleman who was with him, and that guy's here in the Warner's right now. He goes to the same barbershop as I do, and we spoke outside of the barbershop about it. And when he told me his version of the story, I was like, wow, dude. Really? He was like, yeah, man, you know, I'm Steve's not lying,

and I'm sharing you, telling you exactly what happened to me. And he actually got reprimanded by his company because the truck was damaged. And he was, and he was, and he was, and he's not. And They couldn't go back and tell their bosses that a Sasquash ran a truck. So they just said that they were trying to get towards the riverbed and the truck ran into some trees in the truck. So that is a very, very aggressive encounter. Steve won't go in that area. And that guy has got ships, got transferred out of working in the woods altogether.

And now he works in the city. He won't go into the woods at all. So that's one of the more aggressive encounters that I have, Pat, submitted. Now, Steve had some other encounters that were submitted to me where he was out ginsenging in these hollows and he would run across Sasquatches, but he would just scare it off and go the other way and get away from him. So I have a bunch of Bigfoot stuff coming down the pipeline. And my problem is that it takes me a while to actually bring those encounters to life and make them sound the way it's supposed to sound and make people feel the true emotions. But maybe when I start doing this big drop of

Bigfoot, we can do something together, man, and put it all out together. Yeah, man, I'd love to work with you. I think you do a great job. For anyone out there interested, if you go to YouTube, type in Dark Waters. It's the guy that first guy that pops up, DW. He's got great stories on there. I highly recommend everyone go on there and subscribe. My only complaint is I wish there was more stories that would pump out every day because I really enjoy the channel, man. I'm a huge fan. I really do enjoy the channel. I'm a subscriber myself. So, uh, thank you for everything you do, DW. And I really appreciate you being on the show, man. I don't know. I appreciate being here as well. And what I would ask of you is that, you know, I really do need resources to talk to these people. So, um,

you know, some of these people that deal with the Sasquoise encounters, I really would like to send them your way just so they can have someone else to talk to. Because at the end of the day, I, to me, to me this is not only just telling stories and relating stories, it's a way of helping people. And you have to have people who are qualified, completely qualified to help them understand what's going on and help them kind of get over the trauma that they go through for this. So I might be sending some people your way to talk to you because there's only limitations to what I, there's limitations to what I know about Sasquash. And that's one thing I've learned is, you know, don't ever kind of, I guess the word is pass yourself off as authority on something that you don't really know everything about.

And, you know, there are people who really are going through some serious traumatic encounters where these things are really bothering them. So I'm going to be sending some people your way to talk to it. And it would probably be good for your show as well, too. I appreciate it, man. I'm all about collaborating. I really appreciate that. Awesome, man. Well, I really enjoyed them.

Appreciate you so much, man. Thanks for having me on. Thanks, DW. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email, Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, become a subscriber at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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