Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:215 The creature was looking at me intently

Episode Date: May 2, 2016

Very interesting encounter tonight, I spoke with the witness and his impression of the creature was it was trying to warn him to go away because something was coming down the hill. He could hear something large and breaking branches on the hill at the time he ran into the creature. He writes, "It was very early in the morning, maybe 1 or 2 am, day 3 of a five day backpacking trip, and I got out of my tent to relieve myself. I walked ten or 15 feet to go behind a tree, when I felt dizzy and had a strange urge to walk up the hill from our campsite. I had walked maybe a hundred yards or so up the trail, when I saw something squatted down in the trail about fifty feet from me. It had one fist on the ground and was looking at me intently. I noticed then, that even squatted down, it was as tall as I was (5 foot 8 ). It was at this point I realized I wasn't looking at a person, but I felt frozen to the spot and didn't want to make a run for it. We stayed this way for a few seconds, then I heard something big crashing down the slope towards us. The creature looked in that direction, looked back at me, made some sort of a grunt/guttural yell at me. When it yelled, it felt like it was telling me, get the hell out of here, something bad's coming down that hillside. It stood up and loped down the trail away from me, and I made my run for it to the campsite. I sat by the fire with my hunting knife in my hand, jumping at the slightest noise, till morning. The next two days of the hike I didn't say a word to anyone, and I've only told my longtime girlfriend and one good buddy about it since. Wes, what do you think it was i saw? What do you think was coming down the hill? Do you think I was in danger?" My second guest was out for hike with his kids and he heard wood knocks around him and his kids. Several times he called out to whoever was making the noises but did not get a reply. Being ex-military he said that it appeared to be an L-pattern trap and whatever was making these noises were closing on his position really fast,too fast to by human. He said several weeks later he was in the area and it had snowed and he found these large footprints in the snow all in a straight line. He said a lot of strange things happen in this area and shares with the us everything that has been going on.

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It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle. And they're doing that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister with it. You know, look it was giving. What are you here, please? Jesus Christ, you bet. Here?

See ya. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's what on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you this evening. I'm going to be speaking to Nathan and Eric. And Nathan had a very interesting encounter when he was younger. He stumbled across one of these creatures sitting in a trail.

Very interesting encounter. And, you know, when I talk to a lot of witnesses, it's interesting to listen to their impression of what's going on. I think that's important when you talk to people to actually get the impression of what they experience. I know Eric had found tracks. He had heard wood knocks. And he had a strange experience when he was actually in the military with his Humvee being pushed down. And as Eric and I talked off the air, he talked about in this particular area where he did security for the military, he always had an airy feeling in this area like he's being watched.

So very interesting stuff tonight. Thanks for being here tonight, everyone. I really appreciate you listening. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, get additional shows. I've been working on some additional things,

but I'd like to actually produce more shows throughout the week. I know right now it's been between one and two shows a week, and I'm looking to do more. If you miss Friday Night's show, very interesting encounter. There was a vocalization. It was actually a police officer who had the encounter, and he ended up shooting one of the creatures. And this is a scene from Planet of the Apes,

but I thought it was applicable to the vocalization that they heard. What you damn, 38? And that's a vocalization that was their impression of what it was saying, almost like a no type yell. Very interesting. encounter. Let's jump into it tonight. Nathan, thanks for being here tonight, man. I appreciate you coming on the show. Yeah, no problem. My pleasure. And if you would for the audience, just kind of start from the very beginning. Talk about what you were out doing and what you ran into,

what you experienced. Walk right into the whole encounter. All right. Well, um, my Boy Scout troop, we go on these 50-mile backpacking. My second one, I was going, he looks off to his right. I would too, man. I'd be hanging on to any weapon I could at that point. Can you describe for the audience what you actually saw? What did the creature look like? One fist on it only goes up so far past the eyes. I look because the moonlight wasn't that great. Yeah, a little bit past.

What did you think you were looking at at the time? When I first saw it, when I walked up that trail, I had that feeling of, you know, it was like being stuck with me and I was not a bear. What the hell is? I guess that's not a bear. You know, it wasn't a fear thing. So you would say it was more kind of manlike when he saw it? The face was.

I got a clear look at the feds were set closer together. The nose was flattened. And when he vocalized at you, do you think that was a threat, or do you think something else was going on? It sounded to me like he was trying. He looked up there, looks right back at me. It hit me in the chest like a freight train. you could feel the sounds

had to get out of there. It sounds like he was telling me you need to leave. So for the audience listening, you heard something else coming down that you never got a good look at, but it sounds like something else was coming down. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. I can't think

Boulder rolling down that hill or there was some kind of animal island branches breaking and huge crashing footballs looking to leave. I'm thinking right now just thinking about it because it really sounded you know

big like you know in Virginia you don't have anything bigger than a black bear and they don't get bigger than six 700 pounds ever this was it was breaking small like you know young

trees not saplings but young trees as it came down the hill yeah you're an encounter it fascinates me and when you and I were talking the other day I was really fascinated by it because and correct me if any of this is wrong. You're not going to hurt my feelings by any means.

But it was almost kind of the creature never really came towards you. The creature never really aggressively came at you. Even your impression at the time, which, you know, when I listen to people tell their encounters, usually the witness's impressions are right on. And in your case, it wasn't a situation of, hey, if you come any closer, I'm going to kill you. If you, it doesn't really sound like there was any aggression, almost like he was warning you to get out of there. The look on his face when he was looking at me, the expression was kind of like a concerned parent. You know, like you just found some kid out in the middle of the woods, and you're worried, you know, what the heck are they doing out there?

Yeah, so he didn't give you the stink eye. There was nothing like that. No, I didn't at any time feel like he was going to, you know, move towards me in an aggressive manner. And so what happened next? So he did this vocalization. Did the creature get up and walk away, or were you already in a full sprint or turning around and heading back to your camp? He got up and kind of loped off something between a run and a jog, but very smooth, not like a man would. You know, when we run, we bounce, and this guy wasn't bouncing.

It was like he was on a level. And once he got up, I figured, well, he, he was. He's not going to help me anymore at this point. So I made my run for it. I was the fastest 100 yards I ever sprinted in the dark in the woods on the mountain. Yeah, I bet that. What made you, why do you think you decided to walk down the trail that night? You know, I've done a lot of thinking about why I did,

because I only had to walk maybe 15 feet to be behind the tree. But it was really like being pulled by a rope in my chest. That's the feeling what over the slug. Like, it was a certain, it was like an irresistible curiosity. And you hadn't heard anything at that point, correct? Nope. It was your average night in the woods, just crickets. And I think it was I was falling asleep.

So, you know, nothing out of the ordinary. Now, when you go back to camp, do you tell anyone about this encounter? No. It's a day of the trip. To anybody, I was shaking up. I stayed quiet and even my scound master. I remember he asked me, you know, something wrong or you're having trouble with the other boys and stuff, you know, because I wasn't talking. And I said, no, it's no problem. It's no problem.

You know, play and grab ass like I usually was at that age. I just kind of kept quiet and went home and self again, but it really shook me. Yeah, no, I would imagine. I mean, God, that would have shook me up, especially when I run into it, but it's an interesting encounter because a lot of times when people come in in contact with these creatures like how you did. And I don't know if you caught it off guard. It's sitting in the middle of the trail. I think it's interesting how you say it was kind of sitting on its haunches. Because I've talked to a lot of other witnesses that have seen that, where they, that's exactly how they describe it.

It wasn't sitting down like a man. It was kind of sitting on its haunches to where it could pop back up and come at you if it wanted to. But what's interesting about your encounter is there was no aggression in your encounter. it's almost kind of like the vocalization was like, go away, get away from here. There's something else coming down the hill, go away. And you would have known if there would have been aggression. That thing would have bluff charged you. It would have stood up.

It would have came at you. What was your impression as you were looking at this thing? And it was looking back at you. You had mentioned concerned parent. Do you think as you looked into this saying, what was your feelings just kind of looking at this saying? Besides what the hell is this? I mean, it was kind of like, you know, there was a certain amount of all at the sheer size of it. But there was also curiosity.

You know, when I was a little kid, I read this little kid's book about a kid that goes out in the woods, trying to help his dad find Sasquatch or something. And so I knew a little bit about it, but, you know, I never took any stock in it. and seeing it right there in front of me. It was kind of like a, whoa, what? But it was, you know, I feel like it was surprised but pleased to see me, and I was surprised somewhat pleased to see it. It was a very positive encounter, and I've heard a lot of encounters.

I've listened to your show quite a bit, and a lot of the encounters are very negative, you know, a Sasquatch Droom Rocks, people or chasing them off a trail or, you know, running them down for picking Huckleberries after dark. But this one looked like being in mind being around people, or at least me. I wasn't very threatened. And back then, that was stick.

Yeah, almost like it was, it didn't seem like it was intimidated by it all by you coming down. And, you know, it throws me, one of the things I know I've lightened up a lot on, I've lightened up a lot on people who say they've seen these things and they say that they're people where you'll talk to a lot of groups where they'll say all these things are people and uh and i used to be like oh no no no no no no you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong but the more and more encounters i listen to the more and more encounters you know you have to listen to people what people are saying and i know in your encounter as you and i were talking and we hung up the other day i was thinking

not only is there intelligence but there was almost kind of compassion somewhat compassion in your Because whatever was coming down that hill, I mean, he could have growled at you, he could have roared at you, he could have easily have scared you off. But that wasn't really the vocalization he did. It was more of a, I don't know, how would you describe it? It was like when you're crossing the road and your dad, you know, you get out of the road, get out of the road, because there's a car coming. It was that kind of thing, you know. It was that kind of, you know, it was that kind of, you know, a. get out of here, something bad's going to happen. And, like, those words almost formed in my head when he made that noise. Yeah, and that's interesting.

I always find it interesting our perceptions of these things. I was just talking to a guy the other day, and he was being dragged off by one. Way different than your description. I almost think he ran into a different type, but he had shot it. and the guy that was walking up on it, walking up on the scene, his buddy that he was hunting with, he said, you know that scene in Planet of the Apes,

when it goes, no, when he yells no, he said, that's almost kind of what he heard, almost kind of a no. And, you know, I don't know if that's what actually it was saying, or if that was his impression.

But I think the witness's impressions are important when you're, when you're talking to people. Has it affected you at all as far as going back? out? I mean, did it worry you at all going back out? It did a bit, but, you know, I went, I've been, I'm still an avid backpacker, and I'm just starting to hunt now. I do black powder hunting. I'm actually about to go out to the same, you know, I'm going to go back to the same spot this summer when I finish up my semester of classes. We'll see how that goes, but, you know, I'm scared because of whatever was coming down the hill. I also feel a bit safer in the woods knowing that something, whatever that was, was looking out for me when I was a kid.

Because I really do feel it was looking out for me. Yeah, and be careful. Well, one question I want to ask you, what state did this happen in? Just out of curiosity. Tennessee, Virginia border, right on the borderline about a mile from it in the northwestern corner or northeast-corner of state. Well, be careful when you go out. you know, when you go back out, please be careful. You know, the one that you ran into may not be the one you run into next time.

You know what I mean? You can't judge every encounter with these things the way you first run into them. I know, like Bob Garrett's a perfect example that, you know, the ones he ran into in Colorado, he thought were kind creatures, very gentle, you know, not trouble at all. Then he gets to Texas and realizes, wow, these things are monsters. So he never really knows. the kind you run into, you know, it's kind of the old pit bull theory. I have a pit bull. I love my dog to death,

but just because I can walk up and tackle my dog and I'm not going to get hurt, doesn't mean I'm going to go up to someone else's pit bull and play rough with it or, you know, because they might just, you know what I'm trying to say. I guess I'm just rambling, but you know what I'm trying to say. Like, please be careful. Realize not every one of them is going to be like that. Not every creature you run into is going to have that mentality of, hey, I'm looking out for you. I would say most of the time, that's not what you run into. But you do run into it from time to time. They're not all monsters. And I say that on the show, and I try and get that through to the audience when I talk that, you know, I guess most people think that I'd put a bullet in every single one of them. I saw,

and that's not true. They, there are good ones or bad ones. It kind of depends on what you run into. You know what I mean? Yeah, I feel the same way. You know, I, I feel like the Sasquatch are numerous enough that either as individuals or groups, they have different personalities, maybe even different cultures across the country. So you could run into a group of them that are, you know, man-eating, you know, take women and girls like the Native Americans would say, or you could run into a group or an individual like the one I ran into that was looking out.

you know, I almost hope to see it again. I've always wondered what it'd be like if I did. I don't... The thing is that I feel like if I did, it wouldn't be too interested in hanging around, you know? But I feel like I owe it something, whatever it is. That makes sense to me. I mean, I get what you're saying.

And, you know, I would probably have a different feeling if I had an encounter like yours towards them. I might be a little bit more not so hard-hearted towards them if I had your type of encounter. So I definitely get what you mean. But, you know, keep in mind, too, it's like I tell people, treat it like you would a grizzly bear. Treat it just like you would the exact same way of grizzly bear.

Now, are all grizzly bears killing machines? No, they're not. I saw a video on Facebook the other day of this lady that she was, her mother-in-law was in a wheelchair. They were sitting on the beach, and here comes a grizzly bear in her cubs walking down the beach. And I'm thinking, and this lady is an idiot because I'm thinking, I hope she's not listening, but I think she's an idiot. I'm thinking, get your mother-in-law, slowly back out of the area, give the grisly mother in her cubs room to go by, and hope to God

that she doesn't turn on you and basically say her prayer and hope for the best. Well, what was interesting is she never moved. She just sat there. And she had, she, filmed the whole thing. This grizzly bear walks right past Grizzly Bear mom and two Cubs walk within probably 10 feet and they just keep on going. The mother grizzly bear doesn't even flinch, just keeps walking down. And so I guess I tell you that to say this, you never know what the temperament. You never know the, uh, if someone had told me that and I hadn't seen the

video, I would have called BS on the whole thing. But after watching the video, I was shocked. I was like, wow, I can't believe that. that the grizzly bear didn't kill this woman. And so I guess what I'm trying to say is the same thing applies with these creatures. You have to be careful because you don't really understand what the boundaries are. You don't really understand what, you know, you wouldn't think smiling at a gorilla would piss it off, but it does because they look at it as a sign of aggression. So you never know really when you're going to cross the line.

And when you cross the line with these sayings, you're in a very bad position. But I don't blame you, man. I mean, I get what you're saying. I'd probably want to get back out there too and run into it again. Who the hell knows what was coming down that hill? Something probably bigger and badder and worse than what you ran into. And he was just kind of telling you get back to camp, get the hell out of here. You know, one thing, one of my theories is, you know, I'd heard this that's all legend after me or something crazy like that, you know.

Yeah, no, it takes a lot to piss a black bear off. And most of the time they want nothing to do with you. I mean, they literally really want nothing to do with you. And they're usually gone. They're not going to be coming down the hill. See, who knows what was coming down that hill? I've heard those same legends. I've talked to a lot of Native Americans, and they talk about the Sasquatch and these dogmen. They have like a weird name for the dog man.

I can't remember the top of my head what it is, but they have a strange name. It's something hard to pronounce. It's something harder to pronounce. I can't remember what the name of it is off top of my head. I'll have to write it down, so I don't sound like a moron. But they do have a name for the dog man, but it's just, weird. I didn't even know how to... Anyway, but yeah, no, I've heard those same legends to where they don't get along. They're always at war with each other. And the legends that I've heard are usually

down south is where I've heard those from some of the Native Americans. And they talk about them being physical beings. You know, sometimes when you talk to Native Americans, it's hard to, are they talking about the spirit world? Are they talking about? But they're very cut and dry when they talk about these two types of creatures, especially down south, as being physical beings and physical creatures. Yeah, man, what an amazing encounter. I bet it changed your life.

And, you know, I don't blame me for wanting to get back out there. Let me know when you go back out there. Let me know if you find any prints. Let me know if you find anything while you're out there. I'd love to do a follow-up with you. Yeah, sure. Yeah, no, I'd love to see it. I'd love to see the pictures.

And I can't think enough for. coming on the show, man. Thank you so much for taking the time to share the encounter, you know, with the audience and with me. And it's an amazing encounter. I, after you and I hung up the other day, I was thinking, I wonder what drew him out to go look for this thing or what, not to go look for this thing, but what I mean is, I almost think there's something primal inside of us that we had at one time when these things were around that put us on high alert, that put us on, it's almost something wired in our brains that put us on this high alert. You know, if that's what happened to you, I don't know.

But it's a fascinating encounter. And I'm just glad that you had a halfway decent encounter instead of one that could have gone bad pretty quick. Yeah, because that guy, he could have picked me up and pluck me a limb from limb if you wanted to. Yeah, and when you see him, you don't realize how, you know, you being 5-8 at the time, and it's on its haunch just as tall as you are. It doesn't sound like much, but then after it stands up,

you realize, wow, this thing's twice as tall as I am, this thing's a, you know, a monster as far as size goes. Oh, yeah. And it's really hard to, it's hard to describe that to people, isn't it,

until you see it? Yeah, it's hard to, you know, really convey to something like that. Like, you know, you've seen big animals before elephants and everything,

but to see something in the form of a man, you know, standing on two legs, that's twice the size of you. It's intimidating and it's all, it's all inspiring. It's, it's, I can't, I can't describe it really. Yeah. Well, thanks for coming on, man. I appreciate it.

Yeah, no problem. Thanks for having me. Thanks, Nathan. I appreciate you coming on, man. Let's jump to Eric. Hey, Eric, thanks for coming on the show, man. I appreciate you being here tonight. Got a problem.

Thanks for having me, brother. If you would for the audience, just kind of walk, right into your encounter. Tell us what happened, what you experienced, and what you saw. Yeah, sure. It's not a problem. Basically what it was is I was, I recovered from a surgery, and so kind of to get my little sanctuary, as I call it, my aunt, the south of Buffalo, New York, by about, I don't know, 25, 30 minutes, and it's really wooded down there, and it's like in the ski region, you know, Kitsy and all that. So, excuse me, I went down there with my kids, my son and my daughter and then the girl

I'll date the time her son came with me so we're in the woods I'm recovering two months after I need surgery so I wasn't too immobile but it was just nice to be out there this was March 1st of 2014

my surgery was January 3rd of the same year so 60 days in I was still recovering and around the woods my daughter and I had the first ones out there and there's a trail back behind their house and we're, you know, just enjoying the snow that was on the ground, and, of course, it's Buffalo weather, you know, in the winter off Lake Erie,

that's the snowboat. So we're down there, just enjoying nature pretty much, and I kind of like fell into a snow pile, like the snow gave way underneath, of course, the bad leg, the bad knee goes into the snow drift. Well, I decided to go down, kind of like roll into it type thing, so I don't, you know, hurt myself any much. more and my daughter got a kick out of it so she brought a stick over to help me you know like a walking stick type to stand up so I get up there's a little wooden bench somebody made on the trail and

I go sit on this you know two-by-four bench and just kind of relaxing just make sure my leg was working right stuff like that and all of a sudden out of nowhere we hear a wood knock and it's a distinct clear like a baseball bat hitting a tree so we look at a direction I'm like huh that's where Maybe it's just, you know, kids, you know, there's some kids on this area where the house there and this, like, kind of development where it's, it's really nice, actually. It's a very wealthy neighborhood. And there's like an acre to acre and a half between each house. And they had to keep it wooded to live there. So, didn't think nothing of it.

And that was like in a northern direction from our position. But then five minutes later, Alston is another very distinct, very clear wood knock. Again, saw like a baseball bat hitting a tree. Now, this came from behind us. So me and my daughter, we turn and look. Like, okay, maybe someone's chopping wood. You know, everyone's got woodbringstone out in that part of West New York.

And so I figure someone's cutting wood or they're going to their wood pile, stuff like that. Five minutes later, same spot position one. Pow. I'm like, okay, maybe it's kids in the woods hitting trees. We used to do it when me and my cousin were down there. And sure enough, four. or five minutes later, position two.

I mean, almost like clockwork, just pow, I'm like, okay, this is getting a little bit too coincidental. And position one goes again, crack. I'm like, okay, now this is the fifth time. So I'm like, well, I see him doing it on, you know, watching the Bigfoot shows and the, oh, what was it, monster class and all that. So I do a whoop noise.

Didn't get any of your reply, but position six, But in about four or five minutes after I do it, there's the wood knock. I'm like, okay. So my son comes running out this time because they're getting their boots and stuff on. And the boys come running. Myself, like, Dad, Dad, what's in? I'm like, shushing them. Mike, Joe, we're hearing wood knocks out here.

He goes, well, I just heard a whoop noise. Well, that was me. And sure enough, crack. There's another one. And this goes on and on and on for a good hour. Almost every four or five minutes apart, there's these estate wood knocks. Pow, pow, pow. I'm like, okay, this is getting strange.

I want to say it was like around the 12th, Woodnock, position two hits twice. It was a distinct crack, crack. I'm like, okay, well, now that was different. And as soon as that one went, I don't know, again, but it's, I went from three to five minutes between each wood knock, the dog across the road, I would say no more than, oh, 100 yards, not even, maybe 75 yards

from where we were standing, the dog gets into this really defensive, aggressive bark. And it's just like when a mailman walks up to your door, you know, and the dog in the window starts going crazy. This dog just starts going nuts. But you hear the guy,

all of a sudden you hear guys, why it's go, hey, get in here. Dog shuts up, obviously goes inside. When that dog went inside, I don't know, 30 minutes, 30 minutes, 30 seconds later, as soon as position three now crack across the road, I'm like, oh, we're in an L-shaped ambush. I did 22 years to the arm.

And I had 0.1 to the north, 0.2 to the south, and point three was to my west. I'm like, oh, this is not good. I got three of them here. And as soon as that thought popped to my head, I started gathering my kids back to my hands house. Now, we were only like 45 feet away, 50 feet away, so we weren't that far. So I gather them up. back to the house. We're on, like, pretty much the back porch.

And as soon as we got to the porch, position two, I don't know, maybe a minute within the knock, position two knocks. 30 seconds later, as we're walking, we're looking at where point two is to the south of us, 0.1 knocks, and that's it. Now, my rookie mistake was, rather than me being on myself all the time, actually sending and writing the report to the BFRO, and I was on the, on the, I was like at 1,500.1 was in this grid azimuth, 1,500.2, and this grid asthma, I'm doing like a, like, I'm calling on military targets pretty much to an artillery strike. That's what I've done for 20 years, so that's the only way I could put it down.

But I was like, very matter of fact, the time when the knock was, how many knocks, the area it was coming from, what the weather was like, no wind, stuff like that, it was just going on and on and on and on. I wish I still had that report because that was very detailed on my end. never heard back from them nothing of the sort and who knows maybe they get a ton of reports you know I'm not to judge them or I'm not trying to put nobody down but

you know stuff happens and whatnot but I would give anything they had that report back because that was just my eyes that day I was pretty much in shock the rest of the evening from that I didn't have a feeling of being threatened but it's like what

it's like the whole it's like something just jumped off of a page in a book in front of you and landed right there in front you. Just crazy. Yeah, that is crazy. Did you ever go back out to that area and take a look around, see if you could find footprints or anything like that? Actually, yeah, I did go back a couple weeks later, and this was during the winter in 2014, we had that, you know, we got some decent snow. And down there, what it would do is it would snow, it would mount snow, it would mount snowmelt.

And there's a really distinct, you know, like snowpack down there. So by the time we were down there, when this happened, I mean, there's no tracks we found. We did go look, but I was very limited. So by the time I got out there, it was, I would say mid-springs, there was a little bit of snow. I really couldn't see nothing. But that day that we were down there, I sent you the pictures up that tree. It's literally, I measured it's 45 feet behind my hands back porch. It has a branch, and when you look at this branch, it was snaps, twisted, and pull,

and this branch is 12 feet off the ground. My son, I had him stand under for a high reference, and he was six foot tall at the age of 15. This thing is like twice the tall as he is. I mean, it's 11 feet eight inches, I think, when I measured it from the bottom. bomb that branch to the ground. And there was no sign of that branch being on the ground. When we got the picture, when I took the picture, it was a fresh, clean break.

A buddy mine is an arborist here. He was in my Army National Guard unit. We were engineers. And he took a look at that branch. And he was like, that's not normal. He goes, that's not cut. He goes, that was like something grabbed it and ripped it down. You can see how it's like opened up and it's rolled.

And I've heard Kulbo and Barron them talk about that all the time too. So, of course, I found that out a couple years later when I started listening to their shows, but, I mean, it was just something I found strange and gone back out there a few times, and I found some very interesting tree formations. Of course, there's a little leaf litter up there with a lot of maples. It's hard to get footprints, but when the snow falls, I'll definitely be out in that area looking because I did find a very interesting tree formation. like I called the upside down delta, like a woven delta, because it looks like a pyramid.

Not a pyramid, but like a triangle, I mean. And I sent you those pictures too. The two you had two law enforcement officers that found something very similar to that, and they had a video. So that's definitely another area. I want to go back and look at that and go up in those hills and down into the little draws or the hollers and stuff like that. And basically follow the creek line, the water, and see what happens down there. And you actually went out in that general area driving. and you found a track line.

Do you want to tell us about that? Oh, yeah, the track line actually is a lot closer to home. That one, now where my aunt lives in South, Erie County there, it's, you know, very hilly. You're starting to get into the hills and going to the Allegheny Mountains. Of course, our mountains are nothing like what they have out there west, or out there in the west, I should say. But the track line I actually found almost exactly a year to the day later.

I was working for AAA. That's when we had our polar vortex hit the, the East Coast and we were like 30 degrees below zero, 20 degrees below zero. So me being for AAA, I was very busy with changing batteries, jumping tires, jumping tires, pulling a lot of ditches, stuff like that with typical AAA work. So my day off, I'm enjoying it. I had to go into the VA hospital to have them look at my knee. That's what did my surgery. So going to the hospital, or heading towards the hospital, I should say, I stop at a coffee shop, I get my ice cappuccino. And rather than fight to get on the main drag, which is trans the road to get on the middle,

look for it. Like, I'll take the back way. I'll go downtown on a creek road. I'm driving. Big, nice houses out that way, right along the creek on both sides of the road. Lots of, you know, nice, kept land between them, and they got a lot of woods behind them on both sides. I'm no more than, oh, I had to be maybe at the most quarter of a mile from the main strip. There was a house. As I'm driving by, I just happen to look over to look at the house. there are these distinct, or, boy, I'm losing, I'm losing here. There are these distinct trackways that are across the front lawn, goes over the driveway, and comes to the road, or comes to the road and across whichever way it goes.

I see this, I hit the brakes, and now I'm like, you have got to be kidding me. So I hit my brakes and my towel, I pull over to the side of the road, I got my fourways on. I'm like, I just did not see that. Click, click, click, going to reverse, I back up. I'm sitting in front of this person's house around. 10 o'clock in the morning, that 30 around there, I'm looking like, this, no, this, this can't be real. So I'm looking at them. I'm like, those look very far apart.

Now, when I was in the woods, writing their report, working mistake number one, when I finally realized what it was, I should have been recording these wood knocks, as best as I could with my cell phone, either through a video or even, you know, maybe with a recorder. Well, I back up, I'm thinking, okay, I want to look at these things, but how am I going to get a little? out on this person's front lawn and measure these things. So I actually had my toolbox in the back of my truck. So I get my tape measure. As I open up the back of my truck, my big yellow car car, AAA jacket sitting there. I'm like, I'll pretend I'm with the city or the town or, you know, the Department of Transportation to the highway.

So I jump out, down my measuring tape, and I kind of like run up the driveway real quick. And I measure the impressions, which they're 20 inches long by 10 inches wide. the trackway that went across the front lawn, the long part, those were six feet apart. They're anywhere from 72 to 74 inch strides from either leading edge to leading edge to trailing edge to whichever which way they're going. I made sure I measure the same spot on each. So if I'm looking with the track right in front of me, if it's to the right, I went from the tip of that right one to the tip of the next one over to me to that right side, far right side tip. So doing that, that's where I got to 72 to 74 inches apart. When I went to where on the other side of the driveway, between two trees,

you can see there are six feet apart, but I measured those ones. Then there are two strides. One was 84 inches and one was 86 inches between each strides. So between the trees, it took like two real big strides. Now I'm looking like, okay, is this, now I'm trying to debunk it. Is this a rabbit jumping? So I think it could be, but there were no distinct rabbit prints in the bottom of these tracks. So I'm like, okay.

And then in the one picture I said, you could see where a small animal came up through the print after it was made. I'm just like, no, no, no. And of course, working mistake number two, I did take the measurements. I have the tape measure in my truck right now. It's sitting in my center console, and I didn't take pictures of them. I was just nervous. I didn't want someone to say, hey, who are you? Why are you on my property?

stuff like that. So I was trying to get all this within a 10, 15-minute window. And then I just took off from there again, just like, okay, lightning does strike twice, you know? So it definitely opened my eyes to a lot of stuff, a lot, a lot of stuff. Especially when you find evidence, you know, when you start finding evidence or you hear at wood knocks, you know, you start to find little bits and pieces of, you know, outside of a sighting, you start to find and collect evidence. It really does open your eyes. Yeah, it was just, talking with another guy about that. He was saying he didn't really buy into any of this until he had his encounter and it really opened his eyes. I know he's looking into dog man. He's looking

into a lot of other things he would have never dreamed of looking into because he had a hard time buying into it. And I think once you open your eyes and kind of see what's going on, it kind of comes back full circle. And I know it came back full circle for you. You had something strange happened when you're a kid or didn't you, Eric, and all of this kind of brought back memories? Yeah, actually, it did. This is what I'll tell you about it. This is where it comes full circle for me. So first we hear the Woodnox, and I'm just like struck by lighting.

A year later, actually, after the Woodnox, too, a real short story, real quick story, we were camping with the Boy Scouts at my Scoutmaster's property down there. He took the boys, because, again, I'm still after my surgery. I'm sitting by the, I'm basically maintaining the camp at the cabin, and he took the boys and the other Scout leader, they took him. for a hike. So for two leaders and like six kids are up in the woods and they're, you know, you can hear him

chomp on the way in and off and going up the hill. 40 minutes into their hike, I know they're like basically down by the one little creek he had on this property. I hear a very loud crack of wood, like a tree branch breaking or a tree falling down. And just like the same day I heard

the wood knocks, there was no wind. There were no animal sounds. There was not a bird, no crows. No movement of any kind of small critters. And usually out there there's a lot of deer, a lot of rabbit, a lot of squirrel. So that was another little encounter. And then I was relaying all this information to my father probably about a year ago. And I'm telling them the stuff that, you know, me and the kids have heard.

And my son has been even to the one major boy scout camp and he's heard whistles, wood knocks. Two separate times, two different years, kids actually report had seen something very large, black, pluscular, like a wrestler or a bodybuilder, standing down coincidentally. and the one camps that they're, they restrict now down by the creek, Camp Red Jacket. So when I was really

out of this information to my father about what happened in my Aunt Maryland that's one of his older sisters. As I'm telling them these stories, I'm telling about the footprints and the stuff that the kids have heard,

this is where my boomerang effect comes in. All of a sudden it hits me. I've had this memory pop up every now and then. Like, why don't I think about this? Why am I remembering when we saw that big deer at my aunt's house behind the street.

Why is it coming back into my head now all of a sudden? And this was just a crow randomly throughout my years growing up. It was a teenager when I was in the military. Why don't I keep picturing this scene in my head? I'm talking to Maryland. My cousin Josh, we were about, I think I was nine and he was six.

So we were young. And I just love going to my aunt's house all the time. Always love playing in the woods. You know, the little kid stuff. We had the toy guns. We're playing in Army. We're walking around. around with sticks.

We're fighting swords or we're fighting these imaginary dragons and goblin and stuff like that. Just, you know, kids being kids with off the phone's and iPads pretty much. So that's when imagination rule the world. But we were down there, we were in the creek down behind the house and had the most 150 feet from the back of the house, and it does actually slope down to the creek. So we're down there and I'm kind of crouched down and turn to stones, look for salamanders and crayfish and, you know, stuff like that, maybe frogs, whatever we find down there. All of a sudden, my cousin, he's standing just to the left of me, and all of a sudden I hear him do that,

you know, that gasp of like, what, you know, and I look up at him and I see where he's looking. I actually see a form of this, this dark, it was like a dark brown object, but it was tall. It was very tall, and I see it moving, going from peeking out to behind the tree. I see this. My cousin runs. I'm like, I'm not sticking on. I said I just saw something huge and hairy. I'm right behind him.

So we're running up a slight little grade of a hill, and we're moving. And we get into the, we go up to the back porch. We're in the house. We go up to spiral staircase to my aunts where the, where the kitchen is on the second floor. And we go running in and like, he's yelling, mom, mom, mom. I'm like, am you just see this? And we're just like, you know, two young kids were all hyped up. We're like, we couldn't believe what we just saw.

and we're like, we just saw this big thing out there, this big, large thing. And I remember distinctly my cousin saying, this thing was bigger than Uncle White. Now that's my father. He stands 6'4.5. So we're 9, 6'0 6'4 5 is like, you know, looking at Shaquille O'Neal for us.

But when I went back out just a couple of months ago, I found a spot in the creek. Same spot. I can see the same tree. And I remember looking over there, We went and measured that tree. This thing was up around the 8.5 to 9 foot range of the one branch. And as we were telling the story, I think my aunt knew what we were talking about,

but she kind of, I don't always, manipulation would be the proper word or guided our thought process. I guess that would be the same thing. But basically, she kind of, what you guys saw, a very large deer, right? You saw a big deer behind the tree? and then we looked like, yeah, yeah, was that a deer? Yeah, I think it was it. So we're 9 and 6, we didn't know. And then she's like, well, why are you guys staying for lunch?

Go wash your hands and, you know, you guys can go play downstairs and, you know, you can get the board games off. So that's what we ended up doing. We never went back to the woods that weekend, which is basically at their backyard, but she didn't let us back out. Did you ever go back and ask your cousin or talk to your cousin about that incident? No, actually, I've never brought that up to my cousin, Joshua. I'll bring it up one of these times.

I don't know if I need to get the courage to say it or what the deal is, but I want to talk to him, his sister, because I also want to talk to my aunt and uncle. I was just out there, like I said, just a few months ago. And it was, I don't know, about 4 o'clock the afternoon. So it's wintertime. The sun's starting to settle a little bit. And my aunt uncle, like, well, you have a cell phone on you, right? I'm like, yeah, I got a cell phone online.

Like, well, just make sure you have your cell phone on you when you're out in the woods. I'm like, uh, okay. And I'm like, okay, why? Why do you want to know if I have a cell phone? So I didn't go far. I just went down to the creek and just, you know, just enjoying a little walk and joined the trees. I really wasn't looking for too much.

But there was a distinct wood knock further around the woods. And yeah, that was a, that was a, again, it's a very, it's a productive site. If you go down there, you, you can, you will get, uh, interaction of some sort down there. because, again, the dog, another dog across the road, I don't know it was the same one. It started barking, not as vicious, but it was barking, barking, barking, and also you heard like a bit of a whim noise. I'm like, oh.

So I was like, yeah, I think I'm going to go back inside the house now. So it's between where the scalp mansions just camp as well, his property, I should say, in Cuba, New York, I actually have some locals around there. I actually got the courage up to ask them there, too, and they're like, well, Black Creek is known for sighting, and there's always action in Cuba, New York. We went the weekend before Easter, we were down there. We had a little camp out, and I was standing out there at 5 o'clock in the morning, and, you know, a lot of water.

We went to dinner and the one little barn grill, and a couple beers, a lot of water, some pops, stuff like that, and, well, 5 o'clock, I'm out there, you know, one of the nature calls, and I hear two, uh, woo noises. And it sounds like Rick Flair was down, down the hill and across on the other one. And I'm like, oh, that's new. I'm like, I've never heard that before. I'm like, all right, I'm going back in the house, going back to bed. So, oh, yeah, it's very interesting. Well, it's very, very, it doesn't happen every time.

But, yeah, it happens. We'll be careful when you're out, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, my eyes are always open now. My head's on a swivel. Yeah. My head's always on a swivel in the woods now. And I appreciate coming on and sharing the experiences very much.

Oh, no problem, dude. No problem. Like I said, a big fan of the show. I found you guys after I had the experience. And, you know, I used to watch the TV shows. And then once I started listening to you guys, and, I mean, I had more stories, too. I had one that stuff that's happened with a friend. I told you one time we had something happened at the nuclear plant out here.

And that's north of Rochester, New York. We're armed to the teeth. We have body armor on, and we're sitting out front with the National Guard as like a security force. And we had something happen to us where something pushed the back of our Humvee down. Being Sergeant Diaz looked at each other, we jumped out. There's nothing out there. But we were right next to the woodline that was not too far from this nuclear plant. So I didn't think of anything at the time, but after hearing how fast you think they are, how strong they are, how they can crawl up on you, like basically low crawl like the military does.

whatever had the power to push that Humvee down, and I mean, it was distinctly pushing the back of a Hummer down, and this is the military grade one, the H-1s, and just, well, explain H-1s. But, yeah, that was an eye-opener. I locked and loaded right then and there. I saw nothing. He saw nothing.

We both went out east side of the vehicle, and that to this day still stumps me. Could it have been? Maybe, I don't know. But there's always in those woodlines, that's why I always felt like I was being watched. I hated driving through that woodline again. get to the other site that we had to monitor and patrol.

I hated doing a dismount from there because you had to walk down, over bridge through the woodland to get to the shoreline of Lake Ontario. I never felt easy over there. That story always had like eyes on target where now was a target. So that was, that's the one that I mean right now I'm getting the chills, just thinking about it. Yeah, that is interesting. You know, like you and I talked the other day, I've talked to hunters and that have, that have

been out and have had experience that. one that actually saw a saskwatch jump on the bed of his truck and it dropped the shocks down, dropped everything down. He looked back and it leaped off and it was gone. It makes you wonder what that type of behavior is all about. I would imagine, you know, you wouldn't mess with two military guys out there. You guys are armed to the teeth and in H1. You know, a person's not going to go jump on the, well, a person couldn't even drop down an H1 jumping on the back of it like you described.

Yeah, we tried. Yeah, we tried me. and sergeant first I jumped with full battle rattle. All it was just a big thud landing in the back of the Hummer. Then he climbed up to the rollover beam behind the driver's seat, the passenger seat, in the front. We both jumped together. We did not make this thing move to, I don't know, six to ten inches that the back end dropped, and we were just like, you actually felt it like pull you backwards.

And then we kind of like went to shock. We were like, what? We looked at each other, and we both buffered out the bed. We looked back first and up, then we came off the door. We think maybe there's the next shift coming on, the over the over. when I shipped the midnight to eight guys, but it was out there. It was just me and Sergeant Diaz. So that was an eye opener for both of us, but we had no, I didn't have Bigfoot on the brain or nothing like that.

I mean, you know, it never really dawned on me. I always thought, oh, it's just a TV show. Oh, it's just outlastor, you know. I never thought it was somebody in a suit. It looked too good to be a suit, but I figured I was just out there by you guys. I thought that was your problem. I didn't know we had them here. Yeah, no, I hear you.

I hear you. Well, Eric, it's been a pleasure talking with you. so much, man, for coming on. Hey, yeah, thanks for having me on, dude. I'm a big fan, and I've got a lot of people listening to you now. So spread the word, brother, spread the word. All you guys, all you, like, I don't know, researchers or just, you know, people who believe or the knowers, I should say, I'm definitely a knower.

You know, people ask, do you believe in Bigfoot? I'm like, no, I believe in Big, or I know in Bigfoot. I know they exist. I've seen them. I've dealt with them. I've had experiences that nothing else. It couldn't be anything else because you're so far in the wood in the middle of nowhere. who's going to follow you out there.

So, all right, brother. You have a good night, man, and I'm going to keep listening. I'll be, as the show's come out, I'll be supportive you, brother. Thanks, Eric. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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