Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:217 Monsters Underground

Episode Date: May 8, 2016

Bill Brock (the Team Leader of Monsters Underground on Destination America as well as the founder of Team Rogue) joins us this evening. Brock has made it his life mission to identify unknown creatures around the world. As a Crypto-Expeditionary he has been all over the world looking for creatures from Bigfoot to the giant bat known as the Olitiau. Now he bring his hunt to Maine with Team Rogue. Team Rogue has been responsible researching and publishing some of the best footage of a possible Bigfoot to be seen from Maine. Brock is also a accomplished author and speaker, co-writing a book focusing on the connection between the ancient mound builders and the paranormal. He has also given speeches to thousands of people on Bigfoot and the origins of the Sasquatch. He continues his journey researching Cryptids and the Paranormal in Maine and around the world. Also, Melissa and Cari George stop by to talk about Melissa's new book, "Sasquatch, The Native Truth." "A Native American tells her horrifying story of growing up around the Kecleh-Kudleh. On a rural farm, in the mountains, she and her sister are constantly stalked by the Kecleh-Kudleh. For years they try to ignore the signs, until one day they can no longer ignore that the Kecleh-Kudleh are real. They have come face to face with an ancient legend. Click HERE to check out Melissa's book. Both guests will be sharing their own personal encounters and encounters by others that they have looked into.  

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It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister with it. You know, the look it was given me. What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you bet.

Sheriff, see you. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh.

Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. Sunday night. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you this evening. Gonna be speaking to Bill Brock, who is from the TV show Monsters Underground on Destination America.

And also Melissa and Carrie George, author of Sasquatch, The Native Truth. Very interesting story. You might want to pick up this story. It's kind of not really a happy story, but it's a lady retelling her encounter. She's lived on the reservation for years and had kind of a scary encounter.

So Melissa will be talking about that. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. We'd love to hear from you. Would love to hear your story. When you send me your encounter, if you would please include your phone number or wait for me to contact you, it would really help me out. Again, if you've had an encounter, it's Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance, check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I'm working on a couple upcoming shows. Here in the near future, I'm moving to not only Friday night shows, but I'm moving to a Wednesday night show too as well. So I'm working on several encounters for you guys. And if you get a chance, go to the website,

if you guys enjoy the show, if you guys love the show. If you would, sign up. Become a subscriber on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. help support the show. It really does help me out, guys. So I really do, guys and gals, so I really do appreciate it. And I appreciate you guys listening. You know, little things help like on iTunes leaving a review. I'm going to be doing some shoutouts with that. I'm going to be doing some shoutouts with Twitter. I know like Lisa Sheel on Twitter. She's constantly retweeting everything I put up. So thank you, Lisa, if you're out there listening. Thank you very much for doing that. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Bill Brock. He is the team leader of Monsters Underground on Destination America,

as well as the founder of Team Rogue. Brock has made it his life mission to identify unknown creatures around the world. He has been all over the world looking for creatures from Bigfoot to the giant bat. Now he brings his hunt to Maine with Team Rogue. Team Rogue has been responsible for researching and publishing some of the best footage of a possible Bigfoot to be seen from Maine. Brock is an accomplished author and speaker, co-writer of a book, focusing on the connection between the ancient mound builders and the paranormal. He has also given speeches to thousands of people on the Bigfoot and the origins of Sasquatch.

He continues his journey researching cryptids and the paranormal in Maine and around the world. Bill, thanks for coming on the show, man. I appreciate you being here. Yeah, yeah, well, thanks for having me, definitely. After that intro, it sounds pretty epic. Well, you should be impressed with it. You wrote it. I'm just joking, man. No, I actually enjoy your YouTube. I know you do a lot on YouTube.

And I just look up Bill Brock. Is there an easier way for people if they're trying to subscribe to you on YouTube? Because you do a lot of great interviews on your show. Yeah, the best thing to do is just Google my name, Bill Brock, and my YouTube basically will just pop right up. And, you know, I'm the only guy with it big, and whatnot on the YouTube description, so it's pretty easy to find. Yeah, and you do a good job with those interviews. It's a lot harder, I think, and you might agree with me or disagree with me, Bill,

but it's a lot harder than most people realize to interview someone and make it semi-intertaining. You know, when you're talking to, you talk to a lot of researchers on your show. I know, like, he had Steve Coles on, and he was, Steve's always entertaining, but you know you're talking about back in 2008 with Rick Dyer and but it was just a real fascinating interview for me I mean I sat and listened to a little thing and I was just interested by it so you do a really good job with the YouTube thing man I appreciate what you do yeah thanks dude and I don't just interview other researchers I interview a lot of eyewitnesses you know I probably have more eyewitness videos on my YouTube channel than anyone I would think and that is also like an

for them, you know, trying to learn how to interview someone without feeding them answers. That's also, you know, tough to do. And I'm doing this stuff in the field. I usually have someone out there filming it right as we're doing it, you know. So it's kind of cool. I really like the feel of like just bringing a documentary of exactly what's going on and how that investigation is going on to YouTube. I think it's really cool.

Yeah, you're right. When you interview a witness, and I try, and I'm sure I've been guilty of feeding information unintentionally to witnesses. And I try to be real careful, higher word questions, but it is kind of a strange art form. You know, I've had witnesses on before that,

you know, in my personal opinion, I think this is a wild animal that we're dealing with. And again, at the end of the day, I could be wrong. And I'm not too proud to say

that I could be wrong. But I think it's a wild animal. And you talk to a lot of witnesses. So hold up, man. I got to stop you just because, like, I'm curious now. Do you mean a wild animal like, let's say like a dog or an owl or,

a moose? Like, what do you mean? Well, I would say wild animal like a chimpanzee or a bear or, I want to say smarter than a dog. You've never met my dog. My dog's as smart as they come. He's a genius. But, you know, I would say more like a wild animal. I know some people think they're people and I, you know, I'm okay with whatever everyone else wants to believe. But in my mind, I still think wild animal. Like when I have witnesses on the show, I always tell them, treat it like the same way you would a grizzly bear. And we can get into how you feel about it, Bill. I know you're on the East Coast, and I can give you my feeling about the East Coast and what people run into out there.

It's a little bit different than what people run into out in the Pacific Northwest. Is that where you are? I really just don't you know where you're at. I'm in an undisclosed location. All right. So, as a friend of mine that is his father's the chief in the OJibwa Indians, And so, like, I was talking to him about this and basically make a long story short, they said it was part of the woods such as the owl, the bear, the moose.

So, like, they accept it as being just part of the woods, part of nature. And so I always thought that was kind of an interesting concept, you know, it's just like this thing lives with nature in unison. And that's really cool. You know, that's an important thing to think about when you really think about whether Sasquatch could be real or not. Yeah, no, I'm here in Washington State. But, yeah, no, I really think it is a wild animal people run into. And I always tell them, treat it like you would a grizzly bear. When you run into a grizzly bear, you're not going to walk up and pet it on the head because you might get killed.

And I kind of think the same thing applies with these things. You're not going to walk up and have an apple in one hand and be petting it on the other hand, you know, on the other hand while it's eating an apple out of your hand. I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous to think that. Right. Do you think it has the same amount of intelligence as we do? Well, intelligence is kind of an odd word to use because when I look in intelligence, I'll give you a perfect example. Could my dog sit down here and do this interview?

No. Do I think my dog is stupid? No. Do I think my dog is intelligent? Yeah. I can say different phrases like, do you want to go for a ride? Do you want to treat? All right.

It's like problem-solving capabilities. You know, I think that is like the most important thing because with Sasquatch, it is problem solving constantly in order to basically stay elusive, essentially. Do you think it has the same kind of problem solving skills that we do as modern humans? Yeah, I think it thinks like we do in a lot of ways. I think it's smarter in the sense of its environment. For example, there was one time I was hunting, and I was wearing. camo and I had my rifle and I was sitting there next to the trail in the bushes and I see these two hunters coming down the trail while I decided to sit there like a stone those guys never saw me

they passed by me at 10 feet never even saw me so I think they're smart with their environment they know how to back away from a situation I think they're highly intelligent I guess to answer your question all right so to me man all right west sorry check this out I think what you just described is what I think these things are. I think they're Neanderthal hybrids. I think that these things are the majority Neanderthal with essentially the 3 to 5% human DNA that we find in ourselves as Neanderthal, you know what I mean? And so I think what we're dealing with is something is extremely intelligent. I believe that Neanderthals had probably equal problem solving capabilities as modern humans. They have definitely a larger brain mass. They were excellent hunter. They were

excellent hunters, you know, so you were just talking about how, uh, how you were able to basically elude, uh, other hunters by just sitting still. Well, these things are going to be masters of their environment, man. These things have basically evolved in parallel with modern humans, but in the forest. Modern humans, we do. We got like computers, cars, airplanes, you name it, man, we got it, you know. And these things, I think, evolved in parallel in the forest. And basically, they are masters of their environment. And I think that they're, I think that's why we haven't been able to find them, you know. Well, I think that they have been found as a thing is I think they have been found several times over. You know, I've talked to witnesses that have been at

the scene of, of a snowplow killing one, or not killing one, but injuring one. I've talked to people who've shot them. And what's interesting, though, I thought you might say that, especially with the location you're in. When I talk to people on the East Coast, Maine, New Hampshire, New York, a lot of what you'll find, and I don't know if you've talked to people outside of your area, but in that general region of the United States, what I'll generally find when I talk to people

is they'll say it looked like a person, like a Neanderthal, like what we perceive to be a Neanderthal, the reconstructions they've done. But what's interesting is when you start to go down south, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Texas, a lot of these areas, they'll say it looks like a chimpanzee. Rarely will you get someone that will say, well, it looks like a person. Most of the time people will say it looked like a cross between a chimpanzee and a person. And a lot of times here in the Pacific Northwest, what you'll find is people will say it look like an ape.

What you would see as a half man, half ape type looking creature. Wasn't really human. Most people here in the, and I'm talking in the, and I'm talking. general terms. I'm not talking every time. But generally speaking, people will say it look like an ape. What they saw was an ape. It's been confused as I thought maybe an ape was loose here in the Pacific Northwest. And so you'll find these differences depending on the region that someone's in. I mean, you could be right at the end of day. It could be, you know, who the hell knows what a Neanderthal really was. Well, have you ever heard of the Bergman rule? No. Well, there's this rule in

Biology. Basically, it says that anything further from the equator gets a larger body mass, anything close to the equator, thins down. I mean, that's, to make a long story short, that's what it is. So what I've always kind of thought is maybe we're looking at that Bergman's rule in effect, you know? So like if we're seeing these smaller creatures down, you know, as far as the skunk apes is concerned, and they're known to be a little bit thinner, smaller body mass, a little faster. from what I understand, than what we see up here in the north, maybe it's just literally that Bergman's rule in effect. Things down there are thinner and things up here are larger in body mass. And then also there's been theories tossed around out there.

We're dealing with like a pre-human, and there were different types of pre-humans, you know. And so like if you would have had a certain type of pre-human isolated and it was able to find a way to have small family groups hidden out in the middle of forest for 35,000 years or whatever it is, they may evolve a little bit differently in different climates, you know? Yeah, that's interesting. Well, one of the things I found when I talk to witnesses, and I want to talk about your encounters too as well, but one of the things I found when I talked to witnesses, and you might be right about the Birdman rule, that kind of makes some sense when I think about it. But what's interesting is when you talk to witnesses, I'll always ask about the face. Tell me what you saw. What did the face look like?

And what's interesting is on the East Coast, a lot of the witnesses say, basically you take a human face, throw it on a huge hairy body, and that's kind of what I saw. Or you take a picture of like a Neanderthal or what the scientists have reconstructed as this is what a Neanderthal looks like. And people will say, that's what I saw. But if you go down south and you show them that, it's not even close. They're like, no, it's more chimp-like. The face looked more like a chint. Like I had an ambulance driver one time, their ambulance was attacked. And I asked him specifically, what did the face look like?

And he said it looked like a huge chimpanzee. Imagine like a chimpanzee on steroids. That was this thing. It had a human nose, but the face looked very chimp-like. And so I've come to the conclusion that there has to be different types out there. And some of the military people I've talked to said there is different types. but just based on witnesses' descriptions, now does that mean that it's not some pretty human?

No, it could very well, could be. But when you talk to people and they talk about the face, it's interesting when you talk to witnesses and their behaviors are different. You'll find them to be more aggressive down south for whatever reason. They tend to be way more aggressive down south than they are, let's say where you're at, RIMA.

You know, we do get aggressive. progressive reports, but not like they do down south. Yeah. Have you heard of the artist Fred Dunn? I have, yeah. Okay, so Fred was nice enough to draw a Neanderthal based on the Neanderthal and he basically drew the skull. And I asked him to do this because I was doing a video about Neanderthal.

So anyway, he drew the Neanderthal skull to scale and then drew the face over it as more influenced, I guess, by like a chimpanzee. And what he came up with was what I hear from everyone when they talk about what they saw in Bigfoot. And I think it's really interesting when you do that, when you do a recreation with a Neanderthal skull and give it more of like a monkey kind of face. And then show that to people that have had these experiences. And you wouldn't believe how many people will say, wow, you know, that looks just. exactly like what I saw. And you were talking about how people talk about the different faces.

Well, up here in Maine, we have the Durham guerrilla story. Basically, back in the 70s, basically the whole town of Durham, Maine saw a Sasquatch. And I talked to some of the witnesses, actually their families, and they all told me it looked like a gorilla. And then I talked to a guy locally that saw one fairly recently. and he immediately said it looked like a gorilla. So, you know, I'm having people here say that the facial features are more of like, you know, a gorilla chimpanzee kind of thing. So, you know, I don't know what we're dealing with, but it's definitely, to me, leaning more towards like a hominid chimpanzee-faced Neanderthal, you know, like that's kind of what it seems like. It's crazy, man, but I really think that's what we're dealing with.

yeah no i tend to agree i always wanted to ask you what got you into this you know i've talked to like peter burn and i don't really understand peter like i was te i'm sure you know who peter burn is i was teasing him last time him and i talked i was like why don't you become a mechanic i mean you've never had a sighting why are you even interested in this so if i didn't have my own encounter i'd be off doing other more important things i sure self wouldn't be doing this but after you have a citing, you almost, it becomes kind of an addiction. Like, what did I see? What did I experience? And I always joke with Peter, because he really hasn't had. I don't think anything strange happened in his life. Yeah, he's this researcher. And I'm not breaking Peter's balls. I actually love the man. He's a very

nice man. But in your own case, what got you interested in this bill? Did you have an encounter? Yes, I did, but I, you know, to this day, I don't know what it was. I have no idea. I can tell you what happened, but I don't know what it was. I wish I did because that's kind of why I'm doing what I'm doing. So anyway, I was in Fort Lewis, or Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri, and I was fishing a creek there. And I think it's called the Rubidoo Creek. Anyway, I was fishing looking for trout. They had just stalked trout sitting there catching fish.

And I noticed what I think is a bear down stream from me, probably I don't know. 200 yards. And I stand there watching the thing and I'm seeing it like eat fish, you know, and I'm watching the back of it. All I see is this hairy mass, which I think is a bear. And so I cruised down a little bit further and it evidently hears me walking through the water. It shot up this hill on two legs, both, you know, rear legs going. And it did go to all fours as it was going up the hill, continued up this super steep lake.

it was like a sandy hill and then once it got up to the top it took off again and it was again on back legs and it continued to run I don't know as far as I could see and so I kind of freaked out I was like what is this you know and so I ran after the thing as far as I could just to try to get an eye on it and tell what the hell it was but I never really was able to tell really what it was I didn't know if it was a bear to this day I don't know if it was a bear that just because of the angle of the hill and because it was in water it may have went to its back legs to run. That's the only thing that really made sense at the time that it was just a bear that ran on its rear legs.

But I'm telling you, I couldn't tell the difference. Like, I don't know what it was. And so that kind of like really sparked my interest. I was like, well, it was Bigfoot real. And then I started like getting into it. I started looking into the history of Sasquatch. And it really just kind of snowballed from there. and then I started getting in all these other weird things, especially Mothman.

The Mothman, that's something I'm totally into. I don't want to get started on that too much because, you know, there's a Sasswatch Chronicles. But, yeah, so the Moth Man's interesting to me because my dad actually worked at a gas station that was at the end of the Silver Bridge when it fell. And so, you know, that kind of had a real connection for me. And he used to tell me stories like all these tubes, basically, that connected all of the igloos that he used to play in when he was a kid. And so I used to hear all these stories, you know, growing up about, you know, the T&T areas and how haunted they were and they were sketchy, blah, blah, blah. So as I got older, I started really researching it and really got into the moth man. And recently a buddy of mine, A.J. Marston and I, we went down there to kind of investigate.

and we legit, honest to God, filmed a UFO. And we filmed this thing for like three and a half hours. Like legit. Like we really did. And it was amazing, man. It was the first real like UFO experience I've ever had. And it was legit, man. It was definitely in the air for three and a half hours bouncing around.

It was crazy. That is crazy. That's interesting. Your dad was there during the time of the moth, man. Let me ask you about the UFO. I realize it's Sasquotronicles, but I've got to ask, what did it look like when he saw it in the air? What were you actually, for the audience, kind of describe what he saw? Well, give a quick background.

We were down there basically to film a documentary about the Mothman, and we had a theory about what we thought it was. And this kind of screwed up our whole theory when this happened. So we were in the T&T area at about 2ish a.m. I think it was. and we were just kind of cruising around, driving. We decided to stop for a minute and get out and just walk the roads. And we had her night vision gear. We had all our stuff carrying it down the road. And I spotted what looked like just a really bright star in the sky ahead of us.

And we both saw it, kind of looked at it for a minute. And then we realized it was kind of bouncing around. It wasn't stationary. So we kept walking towards it and just watching this thing. And it was definitely bouncing around, bouncing up and down. and it looked like it was changing intensity as far as like how much light was coming out of it. And then it was also changing color. It was changing color from like an orangish color to a red, white.

I don't know. Like it was just changing colors. And it was also rotating, which was weird. So it would look like three orbs that rotated, changed color, and changed the light intensity. And these orbs were so close. that you couldn't really tell one from the other. It was really strange. And so, yeah, we watched this thing for a few minutes,

and we get our cameras out, and we start filming it. And we continue filming this thing. I was thinking that it was going to go away, do something. Well, it ended up going from probably about a mile, I'd say, maybe not quite that far. Yeah, it's called a mile away from us to probably two miles away from us. and at about two miles there was a coal-fired coal-fired power plant there, and it literally hovered over top of this coal-fired power plant for the rest of the time,

which was, I don't know, we ended up getting three and a half hours where the footage out of it. And it ended up shooting off into the distance, just boom, man. I mean, it took right off. It was like there and then not there. And we have it all on video. Yeah, that's interesting. Woody and I saw something like that. my brother, we were riding our motorcycles, and, well, we don't have to go into it, but we saw something similar to that in the sky.

And at first I thought it was a satellite. And the more we looked at it, it was like, no, that's not a satellite. And they were like, what planet is that? And it wasn't three orbs. There's just one, but it was just bouncing all over the sky, doing maneuvers. No plane could do, no helicopter could do. And it was silent. That was the other word thing is it was completely silent as it was bouncing around in the sky.

Yeah, this didn't make any noise either. And when I say there was multiple orbs, well, we didn't really see that within our naked eye. You could only see it when we took the video camera and zoomed a video camera all the way in. And then you can kind of like see different orbs together. It was strange. That is strange. I wanted to go back to your encounter. And I actually want to talk about the moth band because I never got a better encounter if you want to talk about it.

All right. So the best encounter I've ever had, which is pretty freaking epic, man. In my act of Florida, we got a report saying that there was like this big foot. run around down there chasing deer trying to catch him and eat him, right? This video pops up of this thing running around in a field in myaca. So Stacey Brown and I somehow get together. Stacey Brown actually won Bigfoot bounty there. Stacey Brown ended up, I hooked up with him, I went down there, flew into frigging

Tampa and picked up by no other than Tim Fassano himself in the cab. Take Tim Fasano's cab down to... He's a big foe researcher for people listening, Tim Fasano. So we get down to Myak, and we get there, hook up with this guy, go out, talk to an eyewitness. The eyewitness narrows down our search area. We basically go out that night looking for something. We made a decision to push our way through the forest in the middle of the night in Florida where there's alligators and frigging everything wants to kill you.

So we're pushing our way through the forest, man. and I get a heat signature on the thermal that I'm using. And we're in teams of two. Myself and Stevie Strings was one team, Josh, and another guy was another team, and Stacey was down at the other end. It was Josh and Emmett. So Stevie walks up to this tree where I see a heat signature, and I kind of see this heat signature pop out the other side.

Then I realize there's two. You know, I'm like, what the heck? So I'm thinking it's probably just like a couple porcupines or something. He gets up to it. I'll be damned if whatever it was didn't run off from that tree right directly towards our other team. Josh put up his thermal. It ran so close to him that it literally filled up his thermal, took off towards Stacey Brown. Stacey couldn't get his thermal up in time to video, but he was able to hear the thing run towards him and take off.

So after that, like all of our hearts are going, you know, I'm like, holy crap, did you see that? I'm tripping. And then all of a sudden I hear Stacey start yelling, snake, snake. And I'm like, what? And then I hear him go, oh, no, it's a bird. And then he goes, oh, no, it's crap. You know, this thing took a crap when it took off. And so we ended up getting DNA off of that.

And we didn't send it in yet. So I don't know what it was, but we definitely have DNA off of that. And I'm excited to hopefully get it sent in and find out what it was that we experienced. Because that was legit, man. And something about seven foot tall ran from the tree that was right in front of me, right towards another group of people, and then towards another guy and then took off into the woods. It was nuts. Yeah, that is crazy. You know, and I don't know how great a DNA you get off scat.

I mean, I'm not a... Well, see, our problem, like, it's embarrassing that this happened, but it happened. You know, after that kind of experience, we should have had DNA off of it and able to, like, prove without a shadow of a doubt that Bigfoot's real. because we had the perfect siding, everything happened perfectly, but we made the mistake on how we collected the DNA. So I didn't know all this stuff until after we screwed up. So basically when you collect DNA off a poo, it works like a big bulldozer.

It's pushing all those DNA cells that you need out first. So you have to actually collect the DNA off the front of the poop and not the rear of the poop. We had no idea. So we ended up collecting DNA from the wrong side. And so that's part of the reason it never got sent in because we couldn't be sure that we even did it right. And you only have so many, well, Stacey only had so many free DNA samples that he's allowed to turn in. And since we made a mistake, he was kind of apprehensive about turning it in.

Yeah, no, I can understand that. Going back to your first encounter, did you really think it was a bear running on two legs? I honestly didn't know, and I still don't know. Like it was fairly, it wasn't dark. It was like dusk. So I couldn't really make out what it was perfectly. All I know is whatever it was, ran on two legs, dropped to four legs as it went up the incline,

and then went back to two legs and then took off. Yeah. Which most bears don't do. I mean, honestly, most bears, it's pretty rare to see a bear up on two legs. Well, I tried to rationalize it, you know. And I was doing the same things that I hear other eyewitnesses do. You try to rationalize what you see.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. And so for me, I was thinking maybe it was easier for the bear to run on two legs through water in deep sand than it was for. I don't know. Like, I was just grasping. I still am because I'd really like to know what I saw and I'd like to try to keep an open mind either way. But that's what drives me to do this. I want to know the answers.

I want to know if Bigfoot is real. And if it is real, what is it? What is this creature that's cruising out in the woods? Like, what is it? And so that's really what drives me is that question. What is this thing that we're dealing with? Yeah, I think that's a question that drives all of us is what is this thing for everyone who's ever had an encounter? That's the main question everyone always asks is what really what is this thing?

And everyone has their own opinions. Everyone says their people. Some people say they're apes. Some people say they're this. At the end of the day, no one really knows. So we can kind of guess I've even given out my own theories based on my own experience and other eyewitnesses' experiences and said, this is what I think it is. But at the end of the day, I realize that could be wrong. It could be way wrong on what I think it is.

Tell the audience about the show you do. All right. Yeah, Monsters Underground. Monsters Underground was filmed about two years ago now. Wow, it's been a long time. It's been on Destination American Discovery Channel. It aired first on Discovery. and then they switched it over to Destination America.

It's in reruns right now. About once a month you can check like a marathon out. And our show was basically what it says. Monsters Underground. We chased around all kinds of strange monsters in different caves across the world, man. It was pretty awesome, actually. We didn't really get any real evidence. It's tough to do.

But, you know, we had a blast film, and we went all over the place. man, it was definitely a good time. Yeah, it sounds like it. It sounds like it. You know, I've been approached for those different shows, and, you know, I've always wanted to a show that was based more than just Bigfoot, you know, based on other things.

I've talked to people who've ran into all kinds of strange creatures, everything from Thunderbirds to stuff that just seems so unbelievable. But it's interesting to talk to those people. You know, it's like, well, you have my attention. What did you see? And they'll go into full detail on what they saw.

And so does the show it's more than, it sounds like just Bigfoot, it sounds like you go after everything. Yeah, and I was really happy about that because I don't want to get pigeonholed and just looking for Bigfoot because I'm totally interested in all kinds of cryptids, especially like Native American history, specifically the mound builders. I really like the opportunity to go and check out all of these different kinds of cryptids because they're all really interesting. Tell us about the mothman for the audience.

I'm sure most people know about the mothman. But tell us what you know about the mothman and then tell us about your dad being at the gas station. Yeah, the mothman. It was in the late 60s, basically this mothman was seen around point pleasant by a bunch of people in the TNT area specifically. And right after that, the silver bridge fell. They felt the mothman may be some type of harbor of sorrows, you know. So like whenever the mothman shows up, bad things happen. So yeah, when the silver bridge fell, my dad happened to be working to the gas station.

And from what I hear, he helped pull a few people out of the river from what I hear. So that's pretty cool. So, yeah, that was always something I always heard from him. And yeah, as far as the mothman goes, this researcher John Keel, he did a bunch of research into the mothman and ended up thinking that it was probably some type of alien creature. And after my experience seeing a frigging UFO, because that's really what it was, right at the T&T area, it makes me wonder, you know, is the Mothman some type of alien creature? I don't know, but I'm still going back. I'm going to be speaking at the Mothman Festival this year about it.

So, you know, I keep going back to try to find out the answer. Yeah, when is the Mothman Festival? I've always wanted to go to that. Man, it's awesome. It's in September. I believe it's the second or third weekend. You know, people can Google it, the Mothman Festival in Point Pleasant, West Virginia. And I'll be speaking there last year, Ken and Lyle were there.

Ken Gephart and Lyle Blackburn. That was a lot of fun. And, yeah, you get to go down there. It's a big festival. They close down pretty much the whole town. It's not much of a town, but they close it all. all down for Mothman. And it's really cool.

They have a lot of live music and, I don't know, food. And down to state theater, they have different cryptos. They all just come down and speak. It's definitely a good time. It's really cool. Yeah, it sounds like it. I know I've always wanted to go to that. I've looked into the Mothman.

I always look into weird things, you know, on my own time. Outside of Bigfoot, I'm always looking into weird cryptids. And when I looked into the Mothman, I thought, the people that actually saw it are so consistent. It's almost ridiculous. From one guy to a next or one woman to another woman. They're very consistent on what they saw. And it's not like one guy's way off base on what he saw.

They all kind of saw the same thing. And they all kind of described the same thing. Even law enforcement officials described this saying. And I know that bridge fell and they blamed it on the mothman and said it was because of him. And then I think after the bridge fell, no one ever saw the mothman again. Is that correct? There were scattered sightings, but nothing like right before the bridge fell. It was just like this mass siding. I don't remember how many people saw it.

But there was more than just one or two sidings for sure. Have you ever taken any real aggressive reports from Maine? Oh, yeah, definitely. Only one. You know, like out of all the reports I've ever had here in Maine, I've only got one that seemed aggressive at all. And it was one of the most interesting, I guess, reports I've ever had. Here in Maine, we have Mount Katadn. Katadn was thought to be pretty much just ran by these little ape-like creatures that the natives called Pamula. And the Pomola was kind of a cross between like a Sasquatch and like a chimpanzee.

It wasn't giant, but it wasn't small like a chimp either. So anyway, that was kind of a little bit about the Pumula. And these kids said that they saw one up there. What they told me happened was they were hiking the backside of Katadn. And you're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to go up the backside because they want you to pay and kind of keep tabs on you whenever you climb the mountain because it is dangerous. So they were hiking up the backside so they didn't have to pay.

I guess they got about halfway up the mountain, started hearing like twigs break, and they just knew something was behind them. And there were four kids, two males and two females. They continued up the hill, and I guess they kind of got tired after a while and went to stop. And this thing got close to them, close enough where they could see it. It was kind of like hiding behind trees, and occasionally it would come out and make a noise. And so I guess the two girls got really scared, and they started running. Two guys, you know, Gabe Chase, they took off right behind the trees.

girls and they ran until they couldn't run anymore. They said they stopped and this thing came out and then like ran around them all super aggressive and like making like eight type sounds smacking the ground, throwing sticks at them, just like getting crazy. They said this thing ran around and making sounds super aggressive, just beating on the ground, acting just like a mad chimp, you know? And they said this thing did that for a while and a couple guys got up and yelled at it and it took off.

And these kids took off back down the hill and left. That was the most aggressive story I've ever heard since being here in Maine. Makes you wonder that type of behavior if it was just displaying a territorial display or, yeah, I'm bigger than ever was more or less for the women. Makes you wonder why it was doing that. Well, the natives always said that they were protecting the top of Katadn. So they didn't really, I don't know, so basically the natives say that if you go on to Katadn, this is going to happen to you. and it did this because they were protecting the mountain. So if you go by that, they were being aggressive over territorial issues.

You know, I don't know how much I buy into all that, but these kids really seemed like they were telling the truth. So, you know, maybe it is true. That's very interesting. You know, this whole subject, it's interesting as you talk to different witnesses from even outside of your own area. It kind of gives you a perspective on what you're dealing with. A lot of the behaviors that you see and you hear from your own area,

you'll find in other places. Stuff I hear in Washington, I hear in Texas, I hear in Florida, I hear in New Hampshire, I hear in Maine. But the physical descriptions is the only thing that throws me off. You know, it's just a different type of creature, almost that you're dealing with. You know, from in Florida, they'll say orangutan to sometimes you'll get some of the human stuff in Florida too as well. But it makes you wonder if they're adapting

based on the area that they're in. Yeah, that's exactly what I was kind of talking about earlier. You know, something is going to evolve differently that's lived in, let's say, the swamps of Florida for 28,000 years than it would in the tundra of

Antarctica for 28,000 years. You know, they're really going to evolve differently and they're going to end up very different creatures. They could be all pre-humans. They could be all like from the same type of ancestor. And just because of where they are, they evolve differently. Yeah, and it makes me wonder on size, too.

I know, like, down in the south, you know, I'll get six to eight feet tall. And here in the Pacific Northwest, that's a small one. Six to eight feet tall is actually a pretty small one. I would say minimum people say at least eight feet tall here in the Pacific Northwest. But it kind of makes sense, right? I mean, like here in Washington State, you could be 10 feet tall. all weigh 1,500 pounds, and there's more than enough places to hide. There's more than enough food.

There's more than enough water. But down in, like, Texas, that might be a different story, you know, down there. It's almost like you would have to evolve to be a little bit smaller, still bigger than your average man, but a little bit smaller in that area based on the environment. Yeah, you know, our size is also based on our food intake as well as oxygen level. you know and that's really what determines our size so if something is living up there it's definitely going to be able to eat more than it does in texas i would think uh just because of the different type of diet i mean i don't know this to be true but i know that you know our size is determined by oxygen levels and food intake you know so maybe it's just that much different there

yeah well bill how can people find you online keep up to date with what you're doing um on Facebook. It's just look up my name, Bill Brock, and friend me up on Facebook and YouTube. That's really the best two places. I'm usually one place to the other. I'm on Facebook most of the time and that's probably the best way to get a hold

of me. And if you have any kind of sidings or anything you'd like to talk about, feel free to send me a message and I always try to get back to everybody. Well, I appreciate being on the show, ma'am. Cool. All right, well, I appreciate you having me, man. Oh yeah, before I get off here, I just wanted to say hey to all those guys from Trucks Gone Wild. That's who I actually was told.

These guys told me I need to be on your show, so I got a hold of you, man. And I'm going to be filming with Trucks Gone Wild here for a little while, so I'm kind of stoked about that. But again, if anybody wants to contact me, look me up. Bill Brock, Team Rogue. And thanks again, Wes, for having me, man. Thanks, Bill. Appreciate you being on. And that was Bill Brock, the team leader of Monsters Underground on Destination America. check out his YouTube. Look up Bill Brock. It's one of the only Bigfoot ones on there.

So if you get a chance to check it out, subscribe to him on YouTube. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Melissa and Carrie George. Melissa is the author of Sasquatch and Native Truth. You can get it on Barnes & Noble's. You can get at your local bookstore. You can find it a lot of different places. Melissa and Carrie, thank you for being on the show. Thanks for having us on.

And I know it's been tough to get between your schedule, my schedule, Melissa. I know it's been kind of tough to get you on. I know we've been talking about it for weeks, so definitely glad that you are here. And you have a book out, Sasquatch, the Native Truth, and I know you can get it at Barnes & Noble, you can get out of Amazon, people go to their local bookstores. Again, it's called Sasquatch, a Native Truth. And if you would, for the audience, just kind of walk through the book a little bit. Explain what someone could expect by picking this up.

Well, it's told by a Native American lady. She contacted me with, actually, she contacted me with her story. And after I heard her story, I believe part of it is in my second book. Yes. The Sasquatch Chronicles, Bigfoot Chronicles. Bigfoot Chronicles, the second book of that. Yeah, she gave me a condensed version for that book. It takes you into the secret side of the reservations.

After reading the little bit she had given me, I contacted her actually and got her to go into a little more detail. And then she was interested in me telling the whole story. So I worked very closely with her to get the details of this story. And I don't know. I've never experienced a Bigfoot story like this one. And it left me reeling when I finished writing her story, and it's hard to get past it. It is, and I even think about her a lot. Yeah, yeah.

We try to stay in touch with her and make sure everything's going okay, because her people did not want her telling the story at all. And she did go through some repercussions for her telling this. Now, when you say the secret side of the Native Americans, what do you mean by that? The legends that these people, they grow up knowing, but they're not supposed to talk to the outside world about, they're not supposed to confirm the existence of these creatures. But she did that, and she wanted the world to know, and that's a reservation secret. Now, when you guys spoke to this woman for the audience, without giving too much away from the book,

Can you give us a cliff notes of what happened to this woman? Just kind of a sample of what this woman went through? Okay, she grew up on the reservation. She didn't know as she was growing up, but they did a lot of hunting and fishing and gardening. That's where most of their food come from. Her father would clean the fish and throw the heads and scales and stuff in a bucket.

If he cleaned a rabbit, the innards and stuff would be thrown in a bucket. The bucket was always taken down to the end of the yard and sit on a stump. Almost like an offering. And I guess that's what you would call your habituation now. And back then she wasn't aware. But yeah, it was like an offering to the Bigfoot. When you say offering to make them stay away or make them,

why would they do this? Why would they feed them? I guess so that they did find that produce was going missing out of their garden. Yeah. So I think that they did this as a way to keep that at bay so that there's not as much going missing so that the family still has enough to feed their family. Well, it's kind of like if you feed the stray cats down at the edge of the woods, you know, they're going to stay in the woods.

They're not going to come up in your yard, you know. Yeah, that's interesting. I've talked to another Native American gentleman who lives in Shahelah's. and he kind of did the same thing. But his grandmother told him to do it so that they would leave the fit. They had like a shack. They would hang dry meat and they would do it to make them leave the shack alone. And there was a couple of years where they didn't leave food out and the shack was actually torn down by these creatures.

So that's kind of interesting that they had that, I don't want to say a relationship, but they had that mentality of let's leave the guts and everything over here and maybe they'll leave us alone. Did she actually ever see the creature? Unfortunately, yes. She and her sister both did. I don't want to give too much away, you know, of the ending of the book. But yes, she came face to face with him. Yeah.

And one question I want to ask you about her encounter, and again, I don't want to give too much way of the book. But did she describe the, how did she describe the creatures or creature that she saw? 8, 9 foot tall, dark, covered in fur. She said the hair looked choppy. Like it would be maybe 4 or 5 inches long, but like a bad 80s haircut, I guess. Choppy all over. Black skin on the hands, the face. Did she describe it more of human-like?

Did she describe it more as primate-looking? How did she? She described it as a monster. basically, the almond-shaped head. But at the time of her encounter, it was actually after her dog. So I think in what was going on, and at the time there, it was complete chaos when she was face-to-face. So there was a lot going on right then, but she gave a great description. And Melissa, what got you into this?

What got you interested in hearing people's stories and writing books about people's encounters? Because as you and I both know, whether you do a show, I'm sure a book is even worse than a show. It's very time-consuming. It's very emotionally draining. I know you've put out many books beyond this one. What got you interested in doing this? Well, Carrie and I are paranormal investigators. We're also founders of a cryptic crew.

So I guess... And we've came face to face to them with them ourselves. Yeah, we've seen them ourselves. So in the beginning, my first book was paranormal. We had a lot of paranormal stuff actually going on, and I was documenting day-to-day on a blog. And I had someone approach me and want to write a book about my blog. So we went in together, and we did this first book,

And then I came out with a second one on my own. And then the next book was our Bigfoot encounters and stuff going on, Bigfoot and our team and what we do. And then I had someone approach me with a story. And I'm like, I'm really into the true stories. Because these people need to tell their story. Yeah, yeah. And a lot of them, they feel like it's. needs to be out there, but they don't want to face the ridicule of putting their story out

there publicly. So they reach out to Melissa to help them. So when they reach out to me with a story, I have to decide first if I want to do it or not. And then I send Carrie out a wild goose chase and have her contact some of their people to make sure that we're actually doing a true story and we're not being bluffed. and then it's like you said it's very time consuming you have to work very very closely with a person telling the story you want to get as much detail as you can and sometimes that's hard because they've been through a trauma and they might not want to bring out as much detail but it's something you have to work very closely with them and then it leaves you reeling when you're when you're done with a book that they've been through so much yeah it's kind of a fine line between a conversation and interrogation. It's this very fine line that you have to walk when you're talking to people.

Right. When you, and I got to ask about the paranormal stuff, when you guys, like ghost hunting, is that what you guys did? Yes. And see, I have been a case manager for almost six years now with two different teams. So that's kind of the reason that she sends me in is because I'm so used to interviewing the clients and really answer, asking the questions that they really do. don't want to answer.

So over the years, I've gotten used to doing that. So I kind of know the questions to ask and what direction to go in. I'm the quiet author, and she's my people person. Yeah, I hear you. And I want to come back to that because I've got to ask you guys, does the scariest paranormal encounter you guys investigated or that you encountered or spoke to a witness? But before we come back to that, I'm sure most of my audience will be beating me up over that.

But I got to ask because it fascinates me. Because I honestly think that stuff goes on. And I think it's real stuff that goes on. It's stuff I try and avoid because I do believe that it's real. But going back to you guys, this big foot encounter for the audience, just kind of walk them into what happened with you guys? You guys came face to face with one, a Sasquatch? Oh, yes, yes.

Actually, we came face to face with one, and then we had a pretty rough encounter with one, one night. It was highly aggressive. Two different nights we had aggressive encounters. We were in the wrong place at the wrong time. That encounter almost made me stop what I was doing. I considered leaving the team altogether. It took me a while to push past that.

The first one that we saw, we were out in the woods, and actually my husband and Carrie were walking along in front of me. And I'm trying to turn around and take pictures behind us as we're walking. So that kind of left me lagging my. behind them. I had turned at one point to take pictures behind us, and I see this tree by itself. It's got brush around at this about waist high. Everything's real grown up. And this tree is just waving back and forth badly, and there's no wind. So I turned and yell at them. I said, hey, we've got some kind of movement over here. And naturally, I'm thinking there's some kind of an animal in the

brush, you know, well, they head back with their cameras and naturally at that point my camera would die. So they head back for their cameras and I'm backing up the hill so I could see the brush better as they're going down toward it. And I saw something brown. So naturally I'm thinking there's some, there's an animal in this brush and I tell them I said I see something moving. And it's moving off to some higher brush. and it had to be on all fours to begin with. And then it moves into some big a brush. And I'm backing up trying to look.

And my husband's yelling at me to give him directions. How far away? How far away? And it steps out into this opening in the brush that I could see shoulder up and looks me straight in the face. And I couldn't say anything. I froze. I absolutely froze.

And when she said, as she had seen movement, I moved back towards her and go around. And I guess I was right there next to you while the time it stood up. Yeah. About the same time it stood up. Yeah. And we're just staring at this thing, staring back at us. Melissa, what would you say it looked like?

What would you compare it to? Ewak. An Ewok. It looked like an Ewalk without a hoodie. That's interesting. So an actual EWalk, huh? That's what you would compare. How big would you say it was?

seven and a half. Seven, yeah. Yeah, I'm thinking of female. I don't know why. There's no reason for me to take a female. I did not see anatomy, but I'm thinking this thing was a female. And I felt the same way. And what did you do next?

What did you guys do next after he saw it? I just stood there. I'm sure I stood there with my mouth open and I could hear my husband. And he's yelling, how far away, how far away? Because he's got his camera. He's trying to get a picture. He's going through the brush. crazy and I'm steady there not saying a word and this thing took one step and it was called

that's interesting and you guys had another encounter that was pretty aggressive you said it almost made you quit uh yes uh we were on an expedition one night and uh our crew our teams split up into three different groups and kerry and i worked pretty good together so we had went off by ourselves and we found this spot i guess it's around midnight we find this spot in the wood and and we take our foot and brush back leaves, the sticks, and all that we can stand there and kind of shift our weight if need be without making a lot of noise. Well, we cut our lights out, and we'd been standing there a while, and we start hearing some bipedal footsteps off in the distance, and we know that there's no team members in that direction. So I take the walkie-talkie and try to radio some of the team members and let them know we have movement. Well, walkie-talkie doesn't work.

So we're standing there and we're listening to these footsteps getting closer. It's crunching the leaves. They're getting closer. And they speed up toward us and it's coming pretty good. And my heart's pounding. I don't know what to do. We're standing there by herself under this big oak tree and something is hidden right for us. So I told Carrie, I said, I want you to follow me.

I want you to take two steps, cut your flashlight on. We're going to shine it in that direction. If it's an animal, which I'm hoping, it's going to deteriorate. It's going to turn around and go, turn around and run, or it's going to freeze. Well, Carrie and I take two steps. We cut the lights on. Naturally, there's nothing in front of us, which there should have been. And with those two steps, all hell broke loose behind us.

Something's coming through the tree. We was just standing in, standing under. We can hear it coming through the bridge. branches. We were all around with our flashlights. We're shot in our lights up in the tree, and this rock about the size of a cinder block hits the ground with a thud just where we had been standing earlier. That let me know that something didn't want us there at all. So, Carrie and I turn around right then, we're heading out. We're, you know, we've got to get out of here. We're heading back to our command central, and we're trying to, we're at a fast walk. We're, we're

We're trying not to run. We're to fast walk. Both of us terrified. We're heading back to the camp. And this thing is flanking us. We can hear the footsteps. It is staying step by step beside us. And all of a sudden there's like four.

And then there's the footsteps pick up on the other side of us. And then we can hear them behind us. And we're surrounded. And I'm absolutely terrified. I've gotten in too close to be comfortable. I have no weapons. on me, which was a bad move on my part. I know better now. But we break the tree line and come into the light. We get over to camp and we grab a cold drink out of the cooler and sit

for a few minutes and try to get ourselves calm down. Well, while we're sitting there talking about what has just happened, we're having rocks thrown. And we can kind of see movement in the tree line. So neither one of us really want to hit the woods anymore. We've just decided that we're going to stay here at camp until the rest of the team shows up. So the rest of the time that we're sitting there chatting about what's just happened, we're watching movement in the tree line and we're getting the occasional rock this landing beside us. So, yeah, that took me a while to push through. I wasn't comfortable in the woods anymore.

I would imagine. And it's one of those sayings to where it's interesting. You never know what they're going to do. It's like I try and tell I had a guy on last week, and he was telling me about, you know, the encounter he had, and he felt like it was trying to help him. It was sitting in a trail, and the vocalization it made at him was like, go away or get out of here.

That was his impression of the, that's not what it said, but that was his impression of what the vocalization was. And his impression was that it was looking out for him. And I always tell them, treat these things like you would a grizzly bear. You never know what they're going to do. You never know the temperament you're going to run into. They may be having a bad day at that moment. And if you're on the working end of their bad mood, you're in a very bad position.

Did it leave you alone the rest of the night? I mean, after what's on rocks, did it kind of stop? Yeah, the rest of the team kind of started dwindling back into camp. So actually, one of the other teams had tracked it for a while to where. it kept moving through the woods and they were tracking it with their flashlights and it finally disappeared. The third team heard the footsteps all around them, but they didn't see anything that night. But it took me a while when we would have another expedition come up. I would kind of be dreading it.

I don't go back out just me and Carrie. I'm with a group of people now. That part I haven't pushed past. I'm not comfortable. with it being just me and her anymore. I do carry a sheath very, very large enough on my hip.

On my hip now, and a stun gun in my back pocket. Yeah, I don't blame you. One question I want to ask you, and I know the book is called Sasquatch and Native Truth, available on Amazon, available on Barnes & Nobles. If you look up, Melissa George, there's a ton of books actually out there that she's written.

And so if you had a chance, go out there, check them out, go buy them on Amazon, go buy them on Barnes & Noble's. I can't wait to get this book because I really want to read the rest of the story. The woman that you spoke to, and I got to ask this question, was it a good relationship that she seemed to have with these creatures? Was it not a great relationship? Actually, it was not a good relationship. and I would have to say from the beginning,

I think they had singled out her sister. I think so too. I really think so. I don't know why, but I really believe they had singled out her sister. That's interesting that you say that. I've talked to people who have had farms. There was one recently who spoke to that didn't want to come on the show,

and the guy was having all kinds of problems. on this property. And he's like, I think they singled out my daughter. And his daughter is like 17. And I said, why do you say this? And he goes,

because anytime she's around, and he thinks it's a male, almost tries to be seen, almost does weird things to try and get her attention. And he says, when I'm around, it doesn't really happen a lot.

But if she's with me, you know, they'll throw rocks. They'll do kind of weird things, almost like trying to get her attention. And he said the same thing you just said. He goes, I almost think they singled out my daughter. Yeah, yeah.

I would advise him to be very, very careful with that after this lady's story. I would advise him to be very careful. Yeah. Rain. She still suffers. Yeah. I feel like this is a movie premiere, and I can't ask if, have you. you guys seen the new Star Wars?

No. No. Are you kidding me? It's breaking. Okay. Everybody's going to have a fit here, but I haven't seen any Star Wars. I can't be friends with you anymore. Wow.

I guess that was a bad analogy to use, but it's kind of like all the Star Wars geeks want to know is Luke Skywalker, the father of this new girl, Ray, that's out. And I feel like I want to ask questions about. the book, but I don't want to give too much away. Was there anything else she can tell us about the book without given too much away? It sounds like she had a really bad encounter then, if she's still kind of suffering from it.

I feel like the reservation and her parents, they had kind of coexisted with these creatures because they had to. They kept them somewhat happy and that kept the parents somewhat happy as well as the rest of the reservation.

However, Raven and rain, they had a horrible relationship with these creatures. And I think a lot of that is because it's that secret side of the reservation, and they weren't old enough yet to know what was going on. Right. And they're, you know, brave teen, young girls, and they're trying to figure out what's going on. And so that's kind of what triggered the bad relationship rather than coexistence.

Well, and again, the book is called Sasquatch, a native truth. Everyone, if you get a chance, go out there and get it to read the full story. Melissa George is the author. And again, she has other books out there that you can get. One question I want to ask you, ladies, for my own personally, I realize this is the Sasquatch Chronicles. But I got to ask, what's the scariest paranormal situation that you guys have been involved in? By scariest paranormal experience. As far as our group, our team.

Yeah. Um, okay. We were investigating an old cemetery. This cemetery is the cemetery that Andrew Pickens is buried in. There's Revolutionary War Heroes buried here. This cemetery has a lady buried in it that there has, no cemetery in South Carolina would accept her body because she was linked with some voodoo stuff in Louisiana, but she was from Charleston. her brother actually killed her and there's this long story about that but for this particular cemetery to bury her they um had she had to have a three foot wall put around her grave and lightning strikes the marble top of her grave what every few years it'll hit this marble that's laying on top of her grave and people do

rituals there and all kinds of things well one night we're doing an investigation there and I had a radio show at the time, and I was doing a on-scene kind of thing talking about the cemetery, when these people come up, and one of the team members had noticed that they were watching me from the intersection next to the cemetery, so they were paying a lot of attention to these people as they come in. Well, they're going to do a ritual on this grave, and we have permission to be there, but these people do not, and I tell them, you know, I've got permission to be here, but you need to leave. This after dark is illegal for you to be here.

Well, they're not listening. I asked for permission to film their ritual, and they give me permission for this. Well, we're walking around the cemetery, and I'm kind of just bopping from group to group filming. And I am about to head towards where they're doing this ritual, and it was like I hit a brick wall. I physically could not go any further.

I lost. I went through three camera batteries within 30 minutes. I went through three sets of batteries and another camera within just a little bit. And this night, I only saw three people this night, but there were actually six people there. It was like they were being cloked or something. It was the strangest thing I have ever seen in my life. And I still don't have an explanation for this. That's weird.

So there was actually six people and you only saw three? Mm-hmm. She was Navajo. Yeah. But one of the women were Navajos and she's one of the ones I couldn't see. Yeah, she was Navajo. Did you see her, Melissa? Yes, I saw six people.

There were six people doing the ritual. And one of our team had asked a lady if she was Cherokee. And you could see the anger in her eyes. when she grabbed her pendant out of her shirt, and she said Navajo, full Navajo. And then walked away like she didn't want to speak to us anymore. Oh, yeah, you got to watch out for those Apaches. And the team this particular night, it was strange.

They were very protective. Yeah. It was like this whole thing came over the entire team to protect, to the point of yelling that I hadn't even been blessed in yet. But we have been in a home with activity that was pretty dark. We've seen dark shadows. I actually got told to F off. It said F you carry in the EVP.

Really? Wow. Well, I was kind of provoking. She was provoking at this point, and that's not something we recommend most people to do. But we've been doing this for quite a few years. And Carrie was, she was having some fun provoking. It was a male spirit who didn't like women. And she kind of told him that he didn't have any cahoonas.

Yeah. Wow. And we picked up the EVP. I didn't, I wasn't the one listening to the recorder. I was. And Melissa was listening to the recorder afterwards. And she said, you're not going to believe this. And I listened in it, plain as they said, F you carry.

It knew my name and everything. Wow, that's crazy. You know, I haven't really got into the EVP thing because most of the time when they're like, hey, this place is haunted, do you want to go? And I'm like, nope. They're like, well, do you, they've got Ouija boards. Do you want? I'm like, nope.

And I try and stay away from that kind of thing. But what's interesting, I talked to a guy one time who was more of a ghost hunter than he was a big foot hunter. And he went out to this place in Texas. And he was talking about this. And he was going to send me the audio of this EVP he sent. And it's an area. aware that it's really well known for

Sasquash sightings. I mean, it's it's a place where it's really well known for Sasquish sightings. He goes out and he asked the EVP, said, do you guys ever see any Sasquatch in the area? Do you ever see any large monkeys? And the EVP came back and said, yes, they're very

destructive. And I thought that was kind of weird. I was like, really? And he's like, yeah, I'll send you the copy of the EVP of the spirit saying that they're destructive. And I was like, that's kind of weird. I mean, That'd be a weird, I guess, question to ask. Yeah. Wow.

We should do that. Yeah, we'll have to try that sometime. Well, actually, I like to take digital recorders and put them in waterproof bags and hang them out in Bigfoot hotspot. We actually get more caught on audio than we do a trail cam. Which is pretty common. Yeah. Although most people don't realize, you know, a lot of those trail camps you can hear. I've been out hunting where I was out in the woods for almost two weeks, and you become really keen, your senses become really keen on everything around you.

And I remember one time I asked my brother, I said, do you hear that? It sounds like a whining, like a motorized something winding up. And it was a trail cam. But I could hear it. I mean, I'd been out of the woods for so long that I could actually hear this thing. I could hear it kind of spinning and snapping pictures. And it was a trail cam on the side of a tree. I mean, you know, if I could hear it with my monkey ears, I'm sure Sasquatch could hear it, you know, a thousand times what I could hear it.

We've wondered about that. We can't hear it, but we're not, you know, acclimated like that. Yeah. Yeah, it's strange. Once you acclimate yourself, you're out there for a while in the woods. You'd be surprised what you hear, what you pick up on. I remember even there was a hunter that was coming. And, I mean, we could hear this guy coming from, I don't want to say a mile away. because it wasn't quite that far, but we could hear this guy coming, and he had no clue we were there, and you could hear him just coming.

And it's just weird once you're out there for a while, you kind of lose, you know, being in the city and being around technology, we constantly are bombarded with TV and noise from, we drown out. I remember I lived in this home one time, and it wasn't far from the train tracks. A great place, by the way. And I say that sarcastically. We, after a while I stopped hearing the train. I couldn't hear the train anymore.

You do. You do. I've lived near an M track before. So, yeah, you learn to drown it out. The house I threw up in was like that. It was the train tracks were 20 feet behind the house. Yeah. And it's just weird after a while.

You just, it's almost like your mind shuts off that sound, almost like you don't need to hear that anymore. And when you're out in those woods, I really think they can hear them. People say the infrared light, there's no concrete proof of that. They may be onto something with that. But a lot of those cheap shell cams, they have that infrared light. And I kind of think they can see in that spectrum too as well.

So when you add everything into it, I could see why they would avoid those. I've noticed that with the, putting the recorders out, I took one and it's got a very tiny red light on it. well I put it in a waterproof bag and we took it deep in the woods. Well, the second audio, I put a piece of tape over the light. And then we put that one out. Well, the one that was taped, we got more footsteps, we got more grunts, more activity with that one than the one with a light on it. Well, like you were talking about, you could hear the trail cam after you'd been out there for so long. my external IR lights that I use with my

ghost hunting camera, I can see the red that's in the middle of the IR light. Yeah. It's like 48 hour lights, but then there's a red one in the middle of it. And I can see that. So if I can see it, why couldn't they see it? Yeah.

No, absolutely. What book are you working on right now? I'm doing a personal story actually on Dog Man. It's a dogman. encounter and we're doing an all-female Bigfoot book. It's encounters by nothing but women. So I think that's going to be pretty interested.

I don't think it's been done before, actually. Now, what made you go that route? Is it because the encounters were different than with males or what made you kind of? Well, I don't know, actually. That's a good question. I don't know if anybody's noticed, but 90% of our Bigfoot community online is run by men. The women are kind of in the background here. So Carrie and I kind of hope to draw them out, to bring the women out and let them know that, hey, we're just as good at Bigfoot hunting.

You know, we can do this ourselves. And we have more and more women come to us that are interested, but don't think that they can do it. And the majority of women are thinking, I don't want to come face to face with a 10-foot monster in the woods. When in all actuality, that's not going to happen. You've got a very slim chance of that happening. But, yeah, I'm working on two books right now. And if anybody else has a story they want to tell, if they want to remain anonymous, and just get the story out there, I'll be happy to help them out.

Yeah, and how would someone contact you? Email address, Melissa George 143 at gmail.com, or you can go on Melissageorge.net. And there's a way to contact you on there, too, as well? Yes, definitely. Yeah, I mean, I actually have a pretty large female audience that listens to the show, believe or not. But you're right, I would say most of it's dominated by men. You wouldn't really know that. I mean, if I could show you the demographics of, I would say the bulk of my listeners are men,

but there's actually a large portion that are women. It's a pretty diverse group. Yeah. And the other thing I found interesting when I looked at demographics of people who listen to my show, they're usually very well-educated, upper middle class, and I'd probably say a good portion of them are men, but there is a huge portion that's women, too, as well, that listen to the show. you know, I kind of expected, I mean, I even hate to say this, but I kind of expected just a bunch of hillbillies listening.

You know, my mother and then like all the hillbillies out there listening to the show. But I was shocked with the amount of very well-educated people, both men and women, and kind of your upper middle class, actually, that listens to the show, which kind of blew my mind when I saw those, that report. You know, since we've started doing this, more and more people that I've known my entire life, I've come forward to me and either they've heard something or seen something or they believe and this is people that I never would have thought would have even considered the possibility of a Bigfoot existing. But if any of your female listeners have a Bigfoot encounter or a story they want to tell, tell them to get in touch with me.

We'll put them in the book. Yeah, I will. Well, Carrie, Melissa, I appreciate you guys being on the show. Thank you for having us. It's been a lot of fun. Yeah, it's been a blast And when your new book comes out, you guys, I'll have to have you both back.

Okay, that sounds good. We'll have to send you a complimentary copy. Yeah. That'd be awesome. And if you get a chance to everyone out there, go take a look at Melissa's book. I know she was going into it there in the beginning. Sasquatch to Native Truth,

get it on Amazon, get it at Barnes & Noble's. Go check out Melissageorge.net. Ladies, thanks for being on. Thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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