Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:248 Be careful what you wish for…

Episode Date: August 28, 2016

A couple of college kids take off to the woods to look for Sasquatch. After several hours of having fun, making calls and hitting tree's a visitor shows up. I speak with Justin and he was with the group the night of the encounter. Justin was not sure if he wanted to come on the air and talk about the encounter. He says "I always believed this creature was out there but I never expected to see one, in fact the night we were "looking" for Bigfoot was more or less just a night hanging out with friends and having fun. A lot changed after that night. Here is a portion of the encounter: "I kept scanning and I didn't see anything. I asked my buddy to hold my flashlight so I could hop back down from the rock safely. I looked up one last time as I was getting down from the rock and that's when I saw it. A flash, so fast I could barely catch all of it. Just a glimpse but it was enough to put my heart in my throat and all the air in my lungs to leave. It was walking (fast) from one tree the next one over. It was covered in hair, long arm swinging behind it. I could see the butt, thick back, long legs; I could actually make out what I thought was maybe skin underneath some of the hair. There were parts that were hairier than others. especially it's head and shoulders. I thought I may have seen an ear but it was too fast to tell (it was small on this things head. I never saw the face that was already behind the tree along with most of the body. Just the back, butt, leg, some of the torso, and arm is mainly what At that point I was scared. I couldn't really believe what I had just seen and it was still there…behind that tree we all had our lights on this tree. So what do we do?"

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given. What's your, buddy? Here you. Is about six years. Yes, I'm looking right at him. I'm going to Sasquatch Chronicle, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Ah, that's nice. One of my favorite songs from the 80s.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I've got a great show plan for you tonight. Going to be speaking with Justin. And Justin's encounter is interesting. It's like I always tell people, be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it. And Justin's going to share. share his encounter tonight. I thought about having all the guys on from this particular encounter,

but then there'd be five of us all trying to talk. And I guess maybe if I had like a studio, I invited people to, it would definitely be easier to kind of control mics and everything like that. Not that any of that technical stuff. You guys care about that. But sometimes it's tough. The more people you get on the show, the harder it is to control who's talking over who. So I invited Justin from this particular encounter. He was out with a bunch of his college buddies and just having fun. You know, going out, quote-unquote, looking for Bigfoot, more and less just having fun with his buddies, and then they actually ran into one of the creatures. It's a very interesting encounter, and there's a lot of warnings in the encounter. You know,

be prepared when you go out because you never know what you might run into. If you've had an encounter, then you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I'd love to hear about your encounter. I'd love to speak with you. Again, it's Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, become a member, support the show, get additional shows. I sure appreciate you guys listening tonight.

Hope your Sunday night's going well. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Justin to the show. Justin, thanks for coming on, man. Thanks for being here. Hey, Wes. It's good to be here. And if you would, just kind of start from the beginning.

Tell us what you're out doing, and then if you would, just kind of walk us into the encounter. Um, sure. Um, so I was, it was a couple of years back, uh, about three, four years or so ago, I was in college. Um, a buddy of mine were, uh, we had done a couple of just different trips. We enjoy night hiking and, um, going out and we both, uh, were interested in the subject of, of Bigfoot. I had, I've been for a long time, like side research and stuff. I was in anthropology in college and was really interested in the name of America. culture and studied a lot of those things and a lot of that uh in a lot of the cultures in a lot of the places that we were reading on i would always do side things and i'd find a lot of different names a lot of different um background stories and things like that so it was always intriguing to me like with so many different name of cultures from like alaska all the way down the florida just had names for it and had um stories of it just it was part it wasn't just like a folklore

was part of the wildlife. It was part of them. Sometimes it might be just something that was just in the fourth or avoided. But it was interesting. So like a lot of just different stuff that was intriguing for me and growing up and then into college and stuff.

So we, a buddy of mind, we'd go out, just see, we'd just go out and just see what we, from amateurs. So we'd watch or just from, so we'd do like knocks or calls or most of the time, nothing. We're just out. And for us, it was just good time

to hang out, but if anything was to happen, sweet, just looking and seeing what we could find into college or so, into like our junior year college. Some people in our group of friends found out we were doing those kind of things, and two of the guys on the hall asked if they could come with us next time we went out. My buddy and I, we had gone out to the Poconos in Pennsylvania a few times. We'd had some ambiguous things. Mike, had a buddy had a sort of his own where he saw something one of the mountainsides that we were walking through we were in a valley and we had heard we'd heard some rustling and moving and things like that but i didn't see anything for that aspect but he saw something just tear up

the side of the hill and we investigated further we found some footprints in the snow they're really hard to make out we there weren't there were not defensive toes or anything it was kind of more of an ambiguous thing we just kind of took pictures and and compared sizes and things like that. So it was, but nothing major. But we had had enough that we decided we were going to do the Poconos again. Just that's kind of what we decided to do. So we took these two guys that just, they talked to us.

I had talked to them about Bigfoot, and they were just interested in it. And they were like, yeah, we'll go out. So we went out there, and we parked the car, we hiked in, and came up to a valley area that we had been to before. I kind of overlooked kind of a valley, and it was in between, where you could just have some open-side and then forest, more trails. So we just kind of showed them, gross, we just

made a few calls, we listened, we just kind of sat around, made a couple knocks. We had a really kind of silly moment happened where we were hearing these like pops off in the distance. We were quite sure what it was and it turned out the fire crackers and we were, the guys were

pretty excited, but it turned out to be nothing so we kind of laughed that off and continued in our night. We just kind of walk the trails listening and then probably around like midnight or so. We We heard some ATVs come in, or to the sound of ATVs, driving up a trail. We kind of panicked, and we're not quite sure. It might have been like state or forests.

We just weren't sure, so we kind of just booked it and ran back to as fast as we could back to the car. We kind of just kind of being college kids just kind of took off without really thinking about anything else other than that. But the night was still young. We wanted to, they want to stay out. We weren't kind of done. So we had looked at a spot in the area of like the Bear Creek where we decided to go. And we kept driving. We found kind of some, using the GPS.

We found some like more of the back roads, took some ways in. We kind of got a way out there, a couple miles in, past like maybe one, two houses. And that was about Pennsylvania. Found a nice area where we just figured we could pull over. We pulled over to the side with some sign that had some. that had I think what we basically like a make of a trail but it was pretty much nothing of a trail. Just for walking up and down the road a little bit,

they wanted to try out, just listened. We were out there for probably a lot. Mike and I decided we were just going to just let out one of my favorite calls, one of the calls I've been good at. Like we both took a lot of time on YouTube and just listened to a lot of recordings of just different calls that we had heard from different people that would post them or just sites

in different like the BFRO or just different websites that had for researching and stuff to Pennsylvania project, Bigfoot Project, and so we just would mimic those. We just let out one of my loops that we had done, so had Mike,

we just listened to it. We just kind of sat there and listened. I were honestly really expecting to get anything. We just kind of were already out just having a fun guy night and enjoying the time. But probably like, only a minute or two I whoop so let out and was

very clear that it was almost exact same from what we were which was so it was whatever it was was mimicking you yeah so whatever it was mimicking so we kind of like we were able to like distinguish us that it wasn't a coyote

wasn't a dog it might be another person because that can't happen and those kind of things but we just were but we were listening we were kind of honestly the guys

the other guys were kind of pretty excited because it was like, whoa, this is, you know, you heard something. And I was like, what? And we didn't know what it was, so we decided to do it again, just to see if it was just like kind of our imagination getting the best of us or if it was something else. So we let it out again. So we let out the same kind of call.

And we waited. And sure enough, it happened again, the same one. So one of the guys we had brought along, looked over at me and asked if he could do, or kind of like whispered if he could do like a knock. We had brought some bats. We always carried bats with us and stuff for those kind of things. We had, you know, heard about those different things. We don't know if it's, didn't know if it was a communication thing or any sort of way.

So we just figured, why not? We'll just try it. It means it's going to happen. So we just tried. So he let out two knocks, just as hard as he could against the ground. We just, and then it happened again. So this deal or a person. And our cure, it definitely had a little bit more.

So we decided to kind of make our way into. into the woods third one back. It was definitely the crisp and the loudest we'd heard it. Probably the closest we'd heard it. And so we kept going in towards the sound. Light enough that you didn't need a flashlight, really. We could make our way through, but it was dark enough that, like,

you just had to kind of go slow and make sure you're being safe and stuff. But this was early spring. So, like, there was leaves, just leftover leaves from the winter on the ground. So it wasn't a ton of foliage, but in Pennsylvania, there's always, the one thing I do, like, we all remember from that night is just, like, how much the, the, the calling, but, like,

you could distinctly hear, that kind of, like, just the, just the nightlife. You could just, it was so distinct that night. And, like, it had been in a couple of different night hikes that we had been on. So we were just kind of moving our way slowly and towards kind of where we had heard the sound. And then we just kind of, we did one more knock. we didn't hear anything kind of waited and listened and that's kind of when

we just sudden a sudden change in like the forest in the area around us like shuffling thing like the it would Mike and it was like we should I think we should just throw our flashlights out if it's

or something like that whatever on three and we just I just kind of in my head was just thinking if I could just get high up on this rock it was just kind of silently listening and footsteps had really just stopped at that point because the lights had come on and so we were just panted

We didn't really see anything. I knew where I was going to land when I was going to... And just as I was looking up one more time until I kind of looked at the light and I was coming down from the rock is when I just saw this mass, this arm and this leg and this just... And I mean, I remember my...

Couldn't say... Like, my heart had gone into my throat, my lungs, like I felt like my lungs had complete... I just... What I got. Like, there was no head. I really saw, like... Probably like... the back of the head, like no face or anything like that.

No real like chest or anything. Most of that had already, like, must have already gone past like into the X tree. But I just remember that arm, like just swinging. How big do you think the thing was? I mean, how tall? I would say because I was on, I'm six foot tall and I was getting down from the rock. And the rock probably gave me like another, probably another like another like couple inches, five maybe. So, and I think at that point when I was getting down,

the rock I was level with its head. So I would put it probably at like, I don't know, six, five, six, five, six seven, I would say, that's the rough estimate I would probably give it. It wasn't massive. Like, I don't remember it being massive. I actually remember it kind of being like a little on the skinnier side, honestly. Like I saw, but like, you could see through the hair, like, this was probably 25 yards, maybe 30, like 25, 30, like 25, 30 yards away.

and just like I can that like the hair it was like not patchy but enough where you can like see almost like the skin underneath like underneath with the hand like you could see where like there wasn't hair and there was like hair things in the leg to make out like some of the skin so that's like kind of like what I would what I would say I saw and the hair was definitely long but it definitely had shorter aspects like there was it was it was long longer up top, and it kind of got shorter as it progressed down, like, part of the arm and part of the back into, like, the butt area, and then... So what's going through your mind at this point? You see this thing? You're climbing down from the rock. I mean, what's going through your mind at this point? Be careful what you wish for it? Yeah, like, holy, it's like, holy crap. I mean, and part of my mind is, like, this isn't real. Like, there's no way. This is, like, there's no way that this could possibly happen. This is a fluke.

This is an accident. This isn't, there's no way, like, like, I've, I've always heard the stories. I've always read things about it. I've seen plenty of videos. I've watched the Patty footage over and over and over again and, like, detail and analysis. I mean, like, it just doesn't, it just didn't comprehend, if that makes sense. Like, it just was almost like, I'm scared out of my mind, but at the same time, I want to know what the heck. How did it compare to the Patterson Gimlin film?

from what you saw. I mean, was it comparable to what you saw? Like I said, like I, it was skinnier. It was definitely like skinnier,

it seemed than Patty. Like Patty just seems a little thicker, if that makes sense. It just seemed a little bit skinnier. But everything else, like the way that, the brief area of like the head from like what I drew,

like it was, I'm really glad I just, I just drew everything because it kind of brought back things that I didn't even think about. But definitely like, there really wasn't a neck there really wasn't like

I could tell at least there wasn't really much of like a neck like you just basically arm swing like back of head and then yeah I just remember like it could see the muscle tone

like in the leg and in the arm but I would say the only difference the main difference I would see in the paddy film is that it just was a little skinnier just smaller just kind of that kind of thing like that's what just seemed like if I could compare it to that

I would say that. And so what happens next? Mike is looking at, like, we're all looking in that direction. I said, I was like, I saw something. I was like, I can barely make it out, but I'm trying to tell the guys, like, there, there, it's in that tree. It's that tree. It's that tree.

It's that tree. It's that tree kind of thing. And one of the guys wants to get a different angle on it. Saying much, he's just like, he just turns on kind of his phone, looks at, like, says, like, turn on your phone. And he's like, I'm just going to go here, but I'm going to keep my phone on. And I'm just going to try to see if. I can get a different angle on it.

Really before we can even say anything, he's kind of already doing it. That's kind of how this kid is. He was very impulsive. No one else really, I don't think, saw what I saw. Like, they were just, they were just like, you saw it. So they're all now aligned to, like,

they all now want to, like, go forward and see this thing. And we're talking about, like, just some, this is, like, kind of, like, I looked back on this is a stupidest college moment. Kind of like, Mike is armed with his crazy, like, hatchet. We're not prepared for any like that, but they want to see it. And I'm kind of in the same place.

Like, adrenaline's pumping through my body and I need to see this thing again. Like, I need to know that I was like, it wasn't my imagination. It wasn't my imagination. I saw something actually in the flesh. And so we're making our way. It feels like an eternity and we're probably just forever. So we're inching closer and close to this trend. And my head is either it's going to, or we're going to come on around this tree.

and it's going to be right there and we're still going to see it. Remember, just remember this loud snap. Like the left with, probably greenish yellow, I would say, somewhere in that vicinity on the side of this large tree.

But then that's when basically the whole thing or body, like you can just, where the eyes move from being moving. Like, if an animal is moving across a tree or like a raccoon or a posser or something like that, and then turn back to look at you. Now, when you guys are shining the lights on it,

are you only seeing the eyes shine at this point? Yeah, I mean, I think, we're just glued on these eyes. I mean, at just the whole, our fly, it's almost as if our flashers just get sucked into this darkness. I mean, just this darkness just is enveloping, but just the eyes are there. And I don't know if it's just because that's what we,

we're all of us are high glued to these eyes. But that's all I remember. I just, I just, I just remember like, I'm like a black. And it's odd because, like, there was light. I mean, there was like, could, you would think like there would be something more. It was just like, our flashlights just for him to fell up in this black.

And they're moving in the tree, then poking back out, like leaning, leaning out behind the tree. Those eyes would go back behind the tree and then it would poke. Almost like, there's the game for me that's not, it wasn't like an animal that could be perched in the tree, is that it went to the other side of the tree. And then there was no. And it's the craziest thing. Like, it's almost like we were just, hard as racing, like, a minute or two. Who had, like, gone off to, like, get a better view at some point.

Like, he was next to us staring at the eyes, too. It was, but we all four of us, we just ran back to the actor movie fear suddenly that I was going to turn on the car and the lights were going to come on. That was going to be this monster just staring at us from, like, from the high beams that we turned on from the car or whatever, if that makes sense. But, like, just on high edge. Like, I was just like, what am I going, like, are they just going to be at the car?

Like, are we just going to have a hand? come through or something else. I just didn't, I just didn't know. When I didn't know what to say, didn't know what to say, we were driving back down the road we had come from. And I think, like, it was a couple hours, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had a, we had at least a two or three hour drive back to the, back to the college.

But, I mean, I think it wasn't until, like, the drive we started kind of, like, like, okay, what the heck. And we were just, we were talking about the different things. Like, I was telling them what I saw. And they were telling them what they saw. I remember I was talking about the eyes. And we're talking about, like, do you see, like, anything? else other than that and just kind of going from there.

I don't remember if it was Mike. I don't remember if it was one of the other guys, but someone just basically said, like, no one's going to believe. Yeah, there's no. It was fine because at least the four of us knew, like we were coming out of us at least in one piece, but also knowing that no matter what it was going to be. And so we got back to, you know, got back to college,

went there separate ways, their rooms. I tried to sleep. I think I slept a little bit. And some people had, you know, heard about us on. And they're like, so, do you see anything? And kind of like joking around. And he didn't, it was really hard to kind of say, yeah. Or I don't mind talking to people about it.

Like if they want to, I'm really open. Like I don't, I really don't mind. I think it's something that is real. And I know it's real. And if people want to have conversation with me about it, I'm willing to talk. And if they have questions, I'll do my best. Or if I don't know, I don't know. And one of those things that talking about it's not really going to get resolved.

I tend to agree with you on that. I think that if people have encounters, they should come forward. And, you know, like I said, be careful what you wish for. You know, you can go out and find these things. It's not impossible to find them. And sometimes when you're actually looking for them, you do find them. Probably with all the noise and everything you guys were making, it probably decided to come in and check you guys out,

see what you guys were doing, and then it backed away. And, you know, the behavior is interesting. I've noticed when there's two or more people, these things tend not to most of the time tend not to be quite as aggressive if there's a group of people you know if there's just one

it's usually a different story but if there's a group like you guys that I mean it shows you how smart they are they're not stupid they're not going to pick a fight that they could potentially lose now could it go through and could have slaughtered all four of you absolutely but it might have got hurt in that process

I mean you guys are carrying weapons I realize they're not guns but you guys are carrying weapons and something comes at you, and you're going to start, you know, chopping away. Yeah, I mean, yeah, because my buddy, my buddy swears, he'll never go out in the woods again without one, without a gun. Yeah, I'm pretty darn close. Like, I love the outdoors, I love hiking.

I've gone multiple camping trips. I live in Maine now, and just I love Maine. And Maine is gorgeous and, you know, camping, but even then I'll carry, I'll just in quiet. I won't tell anyone, but it's just kind of my way of keeping my conscience, but also everyone around me safe. My silent thing, I definitely, since I've been out in the woods and since that experience, I've definitely been checking my six more and watching around and just kind of being more

self-aware. I definitely try not to let it stop me from going in that place, but I also want to, it's a soap. To realize these things are real? Yeah, really, to kind of definitively, I always, you know, that belief than becoming more of like a reality, if that makes sense. Yeah, you always kind of, you know, some people I've, some people I've heard, you know, they assume that these things are out there or they believe that these things are out there. But once you see them, it's completely different.

It becomes real. It gets real, really quick. You know, if that thing would have gotten aggressive, it could have gotten real, real quick. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think it's a scary thing that we all look about, like, it's kind of the, that it could have, it could have gone the other way. And very thankful it didn't. And we're all very thankful.

It didn't. But it definitely is fuel. It's like that weird, sick obsession that comes with it, though. Like, I didn't fully, like, I feel like I didn't entirely, I saw one and I've seen different things. But, like, you almost, like, want more to, like, solidify it. You almost want to do it again. And we did. I mean, we, I think a month or two later, we, we tried to find a similar spot and go out there.

And nothing. We didn't get anything that time, and we tried a different spot. And he almost got shot by red decks. I mean, like, we, so we had, so we've had, I mean, but we just kind of, and things have changed. We've all graduated out, and we've moved in our separate ways. We always keep in touch and get together for different activities or trips, but I mean, we always come back to, like, talking about that, like, remember that time?

And then we just kind of, like, yeah, and we just kind of sit in it. Yeah, you guys will be. to the hip until you guys die, you know, it's something all of you experienced. I think it's interesting, too, their behavior, which I always find fascinating. I almost think that these things don't realize we as humans struggle to see at night. You know, we don't have, and when I say that, I mean, like, we don't have night vision like a lot of predators do. And I don't think that these things realize that. I don't think they realize we really can't see that well at night. And, you know, it's interesting, it's behavior how it kind of cautiously looked around the tree, kind of

it went back, you know, it didn't really expose itself. It didn't jump out in the open at you guys, or could have probably turned its head, crawled down and crawled away, but it's still observing you guys. And I just think that behavior is fascinating. Oh, agreed. I think, and it's, I don't know if it was like how intense our flashlights were or like that kind of thing too. Like, but I have no idea. It was, yeah, I agree. I think in reading and I've also made a, listening to your show and listening to other people's encounters and stories and stuff and the behavior that they exhibit is just, I think something that's hard for us to wrap our minds around, especially for, like, for me, even, like, I've, you know, I've been a lover of,

like, animals and studying, like, I was supposed to go to college for zoology and kind of took a different path, but, like, I've always been fascinated with animals and behavior and what goes on. This is just a whole other, just seems like a whole other can of worms, like, it doesn't quite fit into, it just doesn't quite fit into any specific, like, you can't just, like, kind of, you can't just put it, okay, this is like, it's, it's just like bears, you know, you can put it right next to like the bears, okay, it's omnivore, it, you know, has a hibernation or I can think, oh, maybe it's more like, like maybe a wolf or a cougar where it's loner and it's stalks alone and works together. Oh, no, it's a family

group. Okay, maybe it's in more of the, you know, ape line. We can put in, like, ape behavior and stuff, but more from a North American standpoint. So it's really hard to put it in one category. It's very hard to place it. It's very, very hard to place it. You know, sometimes they act like chimps. Sometimes they act like apes.

Sometimes they act like people. Yeah. And it's odd because there's not a whole lot of creatures you can put into that category. I mean, I guess great apes can act like people. They will show human-like traits. But with these things, I mean,

It's so odd, and then you get in different parts of, I know like here in the United States, you get in different parts of it, and it's their behaviors night and day. Either they're more aggressive or they're more pissed off in one area. And then, you know, especially on the East Coast, you hear more not quite as of aggressive type behaviors. And the other thing, too, is a lot of people describe the proportions, not always, but not, I would say more human-like in proportion. And when I say that, like out here in the Pacific Northwest,

a lot of people will say, well, their arms were, you know, hanging down past the knees or like an ape. Yep. And sometimes out on the East Coast, again, not always. Sometimes you get those weird reports where it's like, no, it was kind of proportioned like a person. I mean, it didn't move like a person. That could be people's perspective, too. But with all of your anthropology classes, what do you think this thing is? I mean, I know you're saying it's hard to place it somewhere,

but where would you place it? What do you think this thing is? Completely from looking at like the kind of the Native American aspects, a lot of times they see it very much like as another animal in the forest or as another creature of the night or a creature that moves around. Sometimes you see it as like a giant or a forest person-like aspects are attributing that. And that's a lot of that I think with how we as human,

interpret to animals and have and we put ourselves in that aspect in that category. I think I would I would definitely lean more honestly to more of like a great ape or like a ape that crabs, not not in the sense of giganticophagus, but possibly something that in that lineage divulged and came came across the Lambridge and those kind of things. But if it happened to be something in the homogeneous area, and like with some form of thing like a Helbergansis or something like that, like a tall man or something similar to that, it wouldn't surprise me,

but I definitely honestly like more move over. I would say ape. I would say more ape just with behavior and the stories that I've heard and listened to and accounts and then also just watching. But they're definitely smart. I mean, it definitely don't fit into all the categories. There's definitely things that make them different. language aspects, like listening to the Sierra sounds and listening to

listening to different chatter and that kind of stuff that goes on too. Like there's definitely like, if you listen to chimps, like chimps have chatter. Like chimps will, you know, have those chattering things also amongst themselves too. But it's definitely, it definitely is, maybe is that, that's a better word to describe it. I would agree with you on that. I definitely agree with you on that. And I think that's, and I think that's really where it comes into, I think if it is, It's just more developed better at what they do.

I saw, forget who did it, but they did a really good job of like explaining gigantism in North America over during the Great Land Bridge and describing all the different animals that came over like from Asia to North America and because prey got bigger. Because prey got bigger, the lions that were during the, during the ice scene, with like the flat-nosed bear that was, the flat-nosed cave bear. that's those they found you know, then we also have like

Wully Mammoth and some of that. So he had a really interesting theory on like some of the apes that might have come over and how they might have been able to develop and get better at how to do things, but all stories and things that as far as writing has gone and you become cave paintings and those things that we've seen. Yeah, no, I tend to agree with you.

It's hard to place these things. It really is hard to place them. I'm with you on that. When you hear about other people's encounters and you really start looking into this, I mean, even the tracks that they leave, the feet, are very human-like. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and you look at it, and you're just like, this does not make sense. Like, this thing should not exist.

That's why I don't really jump on science too much when they don't come open arms looking into this subject, because even for people in this subject, it doesn't make sense. This thing really shouldn't exist. And what it is, I couldn't really tell it. I mean, like I would say, I don't have one of my garage I'm studying, but it's really hard to know where exactly. to place this thing in our world. And it's interesting, too,

and you start looking at like the Chinese urine or Yaoi and the outback. Yeah, and then the Yeti and Nepal and the Iran Pendek in India on the India's border. So there's, and they've got different, different terms and descriptions for them. Like some of them have the differences, but it also looks like it's like environment too. It seems like also like the environment shapes.

Absolutely. how they developed or how they work with those kind of things. Like for Yeti, you see it more on the mountainous train, so it's bigger. It's muscular. It has kind of a size to it so it can move to the snow and maneuver and things like that. With the Rang Pendek in the jungle, it's kind of smaller, but still has that kind of strength and maneuverability to get around. So you just kind of see that with the different descriptions you see, too. Yeah, and even here in the United States, you know, in more remote areas, you hear, like out here in the Pacific Northwest,

they seem to be bigger. Even up in Canada, I had a guy that I'm going to try and get on the show who had an encounter. And he's talking about, I think it was 20 or 21-inch tracks. I'll have to go back and look at the thing. And he sent me,

and he casted them. And they're really good tracks. And he was talking about his encounter, but he was talking about how physically large this thing was. I think it was like nine, nine and a half feet tall. And he was in shock. He just couldn't believe how big this thing was.

But I tell you this to tell you, to make my point is it seems like you get into more remote mountainous regions here in the Pacific North or in the United States and they tend to be larger or the reports you get from people that they're larger. I know it wasn't easy for you coming on the show. I really do appreciate you taking the time to tell the encounter. I know you've been kind of holding it and not really wanting to come on and, you know, like most witnesses, it's tough to get them to come on. But I really do appreciate you taking the time to come on and share the encounter. Yeah, no problem.

I mean, I think if more people will start, you know, talking about and having those kind of conversations, it'll create more dialogue for people that might not want to hear it, or might be, you know, on edge, but want to hear more about it and actually have good dialogue. I think the more we talk about it, I think that's, I think that's going to honestly be the key, because we've got plenty of footprints,

we've got plenty of everything out like hair and fecal and every saliva. People have got plenty of other things, but it's the witnesses and the things that people have seen that it's a matter of all heaven. Now, you're right, and be careful what you wish for. If you go out looking, you might run into it, you know?

Yeah, definitely, definitely holding back on what I do when I'm out there and who I'm with and stuff. But I always have my eye open, trying to find anytime videos come out. There's that kind of thing. I think it's more for now, and what I think is that I really want to,

seen a face because I've heard plenty of stories of people have seen them in just different full body like like seeing one in the daytime or one at like night but it's like really up close it's like do I really want that I don't know so it's like that kind of that those aspects I don't know if I really want to but yeah and there's nothing wrong with going out again and looking I mean I think most people have an encounter even a scary encounter once you time helps heal things you you almost kind of want to go back and go God I I want to see that again. What did that really happen?

Did I really experience that? You know, it seems like a dream when you go back and think about your own encounter, you know? I've been to the, now that I live in Maine, I've gone to the International Cryptozoology Museum, but Lauren Coleman, I don't know if you know who Lauren Coleman is,

but Critchazzoly, he, I got to meet him in person at the, with actually my buddy, Mike. We actually went together to this place just because it was fun and we were excited, and we actually got to meet him and talk to him, And he got to show us like the footprints that have been taken, casted in Maine and showing us like the different settings that have been going on at Maine. And I never wanted to look because of the places to check out.

And then he also was the one that encouraged us to draw and like write our encounters down. He really encouraged us to like really even have remembered. And it did honestly for drawing. I think that's really the thing that like freaked me out the most was when I started drawing. It was not great. I'm not a great artist. But like it still brought back like kind of those sudden memories. And it kind of became more honestly more solidified, I think in my mind.

It was. But yeah, I'm definitely keeping an eye out, Katon. Every time I go out to Washington, I'm always like itching to get out there and hiking and stuff. I have a family out there, and getting out of Washington is always a fun place. Keep me up to date, will you? Let me know if anything else happens, or if you're out there and something else happens. Please keep me up to date. Thank you again for coming on. Yeah, no problem. I'll send you an email or something. Thanks, Justin. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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