Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:252 Hear nothing, see nothing, know nothing

Episode Date: September 11, 2016

I will be speaking with two brothers. One of the brothers says "Over the years we hunted this property in Indiana, it was a great place to hunt. The only downside to hunting this land is you would feel like you were being watched all of the time. After killing a deer we would get screamed at by something and it would shake us up. We were paced out of the woods several times by something. This thing would break branches and stomp its feet. Sometimes we would make a kill and follow the blood trail to where we could tell the animal bleed out and died but the deer would just vanish. Our deer vanished several times, it was like something picked it up and took off with it. So many things happened out on this property, we would hear what sounded like people talking but could not make out what they were saying. One time I got out of my tree stand and went to find these people talking but there was no one there. We would have strange tree structures place under our tree stands, sometimes huge trees would be placed and leaning on our tree stands. So many odd things but if you do not believe in bigfoot and the land was so good to hunt…..I think we just looked the other way and passed off a lot of things as just being strange. We even found tracks of what looked like large human feet in the mud. It was not until recently we started listening to the show and now a lot of things are starting to add up…" Visit the episode page on our website to see the track casting HERE.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there weren't a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

The look it was given me. Get somebody out here. About six foot here? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Sasquatch Chronicle. A place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. You're out hunting.

You come across a beautiful deer. You take the perfect shot. You follow the blood trail in and start dressing the deer out. And then something starts screaming at you from the woodline. You're not sure what it is. You've never heard it before. And it shakes you up. That's how the encounter started with my witnesses tonight.

I'll be inviting Steve and Bruce. Bruce on the show. And they're going to be talking about some of the strange things that happened to them while they were hunting this property out in Indiana. And keep in mind, both of these guys really didn't buy into the whole Bigfoot thing. And it's very interesting to hear some of the behavior that went on around these guys as they were on this property. Normally, I wouldn't spend a whole show on something like this for someone who actually hasn't seen the creature. But these guys had so many things happen to them while they were out on this property. It was very interesting to, too. listen to them. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Become a member. Check out additional shows. I want to let everyone know the shop is actually open. So if you want to get yourself a shirt or some Sasquatch Chronicle gear, go check out the store again at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. A lot of work went into it. So I hope you guys

enjoy it. I really hope you guys are able to get yourself something nice. I think you'll be impressed with the quality of merchandise that's out there. Again, it's Sasquatch Chronicles.com, and if you've had an encounter, please email me. How's everyone doing tonight on this Sunday night? Thanks so much for being here. Appreciate you guys listening. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Steve and Bruce to the show. Guys, thanks for coming on. Thanks for being here tonight. No problem. My pleasure. And if you would, I guess we'll start with Steve.

Tell us about this area. If you would, for the audience, just kind of walk them into this particular area that you guys were hunting. And talk about some of the things that you guys ran into. I'll turn the mic over to you, Steve. Okay, thanks. It's in central Indiana, I would say east central Indiana. primarily it's farm ground that we hunt that is spotted with wood lots. A good-sized wood lot where we hunt would be 25 acres.

They're actually pretty small and broken up, but most of them seem to be connected by creek beds lined with trees or fence rows in fields but connect these woods. And we hunted one in particular that was actually hooked. onto a reservoir, and that's where our activity started. Probably, I think we decided it was right around 2000, 2001, was when our first activity started, and we were hunting in a blind in a alfalfa field right next to a thick.

It's not really a wood. There's not many mature trees in it. It's a lot of really thorny hawthorn and just black honey locusts and black locus, a lot of thorny scrub bushes. And we were hunting, and Bruce was with me, and he took a shot in the evening. I believe we were still muzzleloader hunting at that time, weren't we, Bruce? Yeah, yeah, yeah, black powder. So it would have been November here in Indiana, because we only have two weeks of gun season, but we can help with muzzlers also. But sitting in the blind, and it was Bruce and myself and my daughter and somebody else, that, you know, and somebody else,

but I can't name as a civil servant. He took a shot. We waited for the smoke to clear and smoke cleared. And the deer was gone, which is, you know, pretty average for a muzzleloader shot. It doesn't just fall over. I didn't even have a weapon with me. And I think Bruce put his in the truck. And the four of us walk into the thicket with our little mini-mag flashlights

walking through this stuff, trying to find trails and following. And we found a little blood, followed a little blood. We ended up and split up in a group of two, and I took my daughter, and Bruce took this other person with him, and they went, you guys went east towards the road, and we went west towards the water. What would you say? It's probably 250 yards long, the thicket. Yeah, I'm about that.

Bruce. Yeah, I can't see that far. Yeah, it's really. sick, but we crawled and poked and scratched and worked our way through and never found anything and started to get dark. We turned around and headed to the east to meet up with Bruce, and we met up with him, and he asked me, he said, I was talking to you while you were following us, and I said, we were following you. We've been down by the water looking for tracks and blood, and he said, no, you were walking right next to us, and I was talking to you.

and not us. And we didn't think anything about it. We kind of laughed and chuckled, and the four of us are together, and we start walking back towards a little clearing in the middle of this thicket. And the four of us end up in the ticket, and we're standing there. It's getting dark. Our flashlights are on, and nobody has a weapon. And from a – it was instant.

It wasn't a – we didn't feel anything. we didn't hear anything, we didn't see anything, this scream from, I would say it was about head heights of us from wherever it was standing and maybe what, 10 or 15 yards away? It wasn't very far away. Yeah, it wasn't any farther than that. It was ear splitting. And, yeah, and it rose up to a certain tone and it, and it, it rose up to a certain tone and it stopped at that tone and held it for a few seconds, and then it stopped.

And, you know, at first, when it starts going up, I'm thinking, oh, we're in a pack of coyotes. But it didn't have, there was no raft to the tone. It was almost a note. The voice is, I don't have any other way to describe it, because it was a voice. And it shut off, and we looked at each other and people we had with us were young, and we decided that we should very calmly act like we're not concerned for our safety, and we probably was, what, 30 or 40 yards to the edge of the thicket on the way out to the north? Yeah, 30 yards to the north and probably another 100 or so back east to the truck. Yeah, we literally broke for 30 or 40 yards straight out of the thicket.

there were no trails. We decided that we're not going to act afraid, but we're going to, we made our own trail out. We got to the edge, and neither one of us spoke. You know, we had two younger people with us. We put ourselves between them and the thicket. And as we walk maybe that 100, 120 yards back to where our trucks were parked, there was something paralleling us inside the woods. when we would speed up, it would speed up,

and when we would slow down, it would slow down. And we didn't talk about it, and we get back to the truck and grab your muzzleloader, reload it, and we're changing our clothes, and the kids are in the truck. And Bruce said, hey, I didn't want to say anything to you, but something was following us as we walked out of the ticket, and I said, you know, I wasn't going to say anything, but I experienced the same thing he did,

And that's when the experiences started, and that was like, what would 2000, 2001? Yeah, and, you know, on the way out of that, take it to it, it was making its presence known. It wasn't being quiet. It was breaking branches and stomping on things, and it was very loud. Bruce, when you heard that, what was going through your mind? Did you think a guy was following you out, or, I mean, what was going through your head at this point? I don't know. You know, I real didn't notice the steps, you know, where the, where the, where the,

they sounded like, you know, four-legged or bipedal, I didn't really notice that. But I don't really, didn't really have an opinion in it. You know, something was making noise and kind of, you know, almost a threatening manner. And we were just wanting to get the kids back to the truck and not, you know, act panicky. So I really can't tell you for sure. Yeah, no, I understand that. Your mind's some, you know, your mind's on getting the kids back to the truck. Steve, when you heard the scream, what was going through your mind?

I mean, I know you guys are both hunters, and I know you guys are both woodsmen. You guys know cougar sounds. You guys know the normal animal sounds. When you heard the things scream at you, what were you thinking at that point? It was so beyond, my initial, for like the first two seconds were we're in a pack of coyotes. But you know how coyotes have that yippy, raspy voice? this didn't have that, and it just, it rose up to a point and stopped, and that made me concerned because it wanted us to know it was there, and the height that it did this at was

concerning because it was like it was looking us straight in the face when it did it. I was concerned, like I said, I tried to stay calm and for the kids to say, I think it's time we go. We're not going to find this deer. And we broke brush back to the north and then cut to the west. And like he said, you kind of calm yourself down from the yell, but then as we're walking at 120 yards, not trying to run, and you can hear something.

Like he said, it was obviously making its presence known. I can't speak for all of Indiana, We're pretty urban, well, we're kind of an urban county. And I would say there probably hasn't been a cougar sighting in this county for 125 years, Bruce. Yeah, they're, you know, standard rumors fly, you know, every once in a while. Yeah, as far as confirmed, it's been a long time. We've hunted, we've been hunting for 25 or 30 years at this point, and I've never seen a bobcat. in the woods in central Indiana.

I mean, you see the occasional pack of coyotes and the very rare red pots around here. So it was concerning for me what it was because I couldn't put a picture with it. I can definitely understand that. So what happens next? You guys get to the truck and then do you guys take off? We got to the truck and we, yeah, we were really kind of afraid to talk about it until, you know, we got away from the kids. then the initial talk was what was that thing, you know?

And we kind of labeled it the screamer. We kind of refused to call it Sasquatch for Bigfoot or any other possibility because we really didn't know. So we labeled this thing the screamer. And as you know from our earlier conversation, it's come up a couple times after that as we've been on this same piece of ground hunting. Well, tell us about that. Who wants to take it? You want to take it, Steve, or Bruce, and tell us about the next incident? Yeah, don't use his name, just calling an experienced owner, extremely extreme. Yeah, we've gone out of tree stands, and not off the ground. I won't hunt off the ground any longer because of these experiences, but I was in a tree, and it was early, probably 3.30 in the afternoon, and small buck popped up, and it was muzzleloader season again the following year.

And I shot it, didn't make a real good shot on it, but I found a great flood trail. So I called my friend who's very experienced hunter. He's hunted in out west where you are. He's hunted elk. He's hunted bear. He's hunted everything. He shows up to help me drag it out and we feel dress it. And you showed up out there that night too, didn't you, Bruce?

Yeah. Yeah, awesome. Yeah, we were all three out there. it was dark, so we're hunting for it with light. But we're on adjoining woods. The thicket runs east and west, and we were on a skinny woods that runs north and south. We were about in the middle of it.

We find the deer and we're field dressing it. And as we're field dressing it, we hear it scream again. And it's the same pitch, and it's, I can't tell you if it was the same duration, but it was the same. Yeah, I mean, it was really, really, really, close to being the same.

I, it wasn't in that skinny wood. It was still over in the thicket. So it was still, it was south of us in the thicket. But as we're field dressing this deer, this thing screams, and I look at Bruce and Bruce looks at me and we kind of, our eyes get big and we say, hey, did you hear that? And the guy literally said, I didn't hear anything. It wasn't quiet. It was very obvious.

but the hunter who was hunted all over North America literally looked at us and said, I didn't hear anything. So we finished dressing the deer drug it out through it in the truck, and that was the end of that with. And he still hasn't spoken of it since it happened. He refuses to admit that he heard anything that evening. But that's, I think it screamed at us at least one other time. I know it screamed at Bruce while you were dressing on, too.

Yeah, it was a couple of years after that, actually. That's the same scenario. We had a deer down, and we're all gathered around. Pretty much the same thing that happened to you. I mean, I believe that night we even had a truck back up to it for the light, right? Yeah, we had my truck. We were out in the field, actually. Yeah, it ran out in the afternoon.

Yeah, I remember that now. We were dressing it in the... in the alfalfa field, and we were going to throw it in the truck, and as they're dressing it. But those were the screaming incidents, but we had several other really odd. Bruce can tell you this. Bruce had a legitimate tree structure, 10 yards from your tree stand. It was under my tree stand. Tell us about that, Bruce.

Well, this was probably five or six years after the last time we'd heard it. We'd move to the other side of the thicket to hunt. We just hunted the edges of it because it's a doggone thick, and the deer seemed to like to hang around in the middle. So we were just trying to catch them on the way in or out. We'd go into the, Mike Tree Stand was a little ways into the thicket, down by a little creek. And I'd hunted down in there for all the season before,

and this was the following season that we'd been down there. We'd not heard anything for Steve. It'd been quite a while, hasn't it? Yeah, I was pretty comfortable hunting again. Yeah. Yeah. And I'd hunt on like a Friday, and we come back the following Sunday evening and hunt.

I get down to my tree stand and look up, I don't know, maybe eight feet above my head, and there's a stack of trees. I heard my tree stand. And it was probably, I don't know what, These six or seven trees, maybe some of them were actually maybe even 15 feet long or so. Oh, yeah. And they were five inches.

Some of them were five inches are so thick. Some of them were broken off. Some of them looked like they'd been, the dead or ones looked like they'd been just pulled straight out of the ground by the roots. Yeah, that was a high opener for me also. So before that, we had the tree above your tree stand, remember? We wanted out a ladder stand. I'm not real fond of heights, so ladder stands are pests for me. And I was hunting out of a 12-foot ladder stand, and I go there one morning to hunt,

and the tree next to it was pushed over laying on top of my ladder stand. There was no storm the night before. It was early fall, so there was no snow, and the tree literally was pushed over, leaned right across the top of my ladder stand. And it was 12 inches in diameter anyway. I mean, it wasn't a small tree. Yeah, it was a good size tree. It was a good size tree.

So, I mean, that and the trails that we walked that were in this thicket almost had a, how would you describe it, Bruce? They were almost, I don't want to say they were woven together at the top, but they were like eight or nine feet high. Well, we've seen a couple spots I don't know if you could call them an archway The trees just I don't think they could grow that way None of the other trees were like that

There were a couple spots down in the thicket That it looked like someone just grabbed the tree Eight or ten feet up Yeah And just bend it over Not broke it, but just bend it over Into an arch Yeah

Stuck it against another tree You'll hold it there Yeah there And there were several of those I mean, like six or eight, because we would actually use them as landmarks to get in and out from our tree stands because the picket was for thick that weren't many trails. So we would actually use those as go to this one and then take a right and go to that one and take a left, and then the time will be there.

But I think the majority of those were there, they didn't just, you know, appear. Yeah, yeah. And to preface this, we didn't talk about this for a really long time. And then the last couple of years, as we've become a little more involved, we started having conversations about it. And the number of deer that we shot out there and lost, and as a hunter, you feel horrible to shoot an animal not find. But the percentage of deer that we shot that we couldn't find was,

ridiculous. We're bow hunters now, and they tend to leave a really good blood trail, arrow dove. And we probably had four deer shot, fine arrow sticking in the ground, covered with blood, follow a blood trail to where the deer laid down, and then nothing. No footprints, no drag marks, no struggles that you could tell the deer just bled out. But when we get there to pick him up, in the daytime, it's gone. It happened to me. I know twice, and the younger kid you had with you had happened with him once, I believe? Yeah, once.

Once. So, I mean, that's three years that were hit, solid, that vanished. Yeah, the time frame, most of the time that this stuff went on before mid-December, because usually after they didn't see or hear anything. Yeah. So it was almost like after all the foliage was down, that things just went back in normal. I remember the deer kind of going away too, you know what I mean?

I remember the noises and the incidents seemed to coincide with the deer when they were traveling through. and then during late hunting season when the deer weren't there and i can't tell you why they weren't there but the incidents dried up when the when the deer population went down also so i don't know what to make of that so you guys are getting screamed at you guys are finding these strange structures and then on top of that you guys are losing deer what are you thinking at this point are you at any point did it go through your mind of hey maybe we should stop hunting this area there's too much weird things going on?

No, I never really thought that. I wasn't convinced of anything particular out there. We knew at the time a wildlife biologist that actually worked that particular thicket or he studied it, and we asked him two or three times, you know, what could have possibly made that sound or, you know, behaved like what we were seeing,

in hearing. We really had no explanation. He told us the sound of the screech out. Yeah, and you guys know better than that, you know, if it was a screech out. Well, we know, we know streaks out. They're really common around here. It's probably the most common now we have. So, yeah, we see them and hear them.

But it, like I said, we really started putting two-and-te-together, what, just a few months ago. We talked about it. Since we started listening to your show. We've gathered a whole lot more information. Not to plug you, but... Yeah, we started listening to you, and we said, hey, you know, it is odd that we find these places where the deer obviously laid down and bled out, and then they're gone.

No blood trails. And, you know, we'd shoot them in the morning, and we wouldn't leave the area. We'd go back to our truck for 30, 4. 45 minutes, maybe an hour, and then we'd start tracking the deer. So nobody had time to come in and find our animal and steal it. They just weren't there when we got to where there was enough blood for them. They should have been there. Yeah, and it's like I was telling you, Steve, the poacher here in Washington State that I know,

he's a nice guy. I always hate to say poacher. I mean, the guy, he hunts without a license, but he eats what he kills. It's not like he's just killing to kill. He had shot a deer. Actually, it was an elk. He shot an elk, followed the blood trail, went to where it should have been, and there was this huge ape that had the elk over its shoulder,

and I was walking off with it. And that's what he said. It was this huge, enormous ape that had the elk over its shoulder. And I was telling you, the elk here in Washington State were huge. You're not going to pick one up and walk off with it. And I would imagine the same thing you guys are hunting in Indiana. You're not just going to walk in, pick it up, and walk out with it. You're going to have to field dress it, you know, take it out.

It just amazes me. You know, you hear that stuff going on. And I guess if you don't really buy into Bigfoot or you're not really, that's not really your focus, it would shock me to go, well, the deer should be here. It's gone. It's like it just vanished. And to have it happen several times over, you guys are lucky in that area. I mean, you're lucky they didn't get aggressive with you in that area with you guys hunting. It's screaming at you is the first warning sign of it's pissed off.

You know, I think the fact that there was always, I said this on the last show, I think when there's one guy, you'll have a different type of encounter than when there's multiple guys in an area. They tend to conceal themselves more. They'll get pissed off. They'll scream at you. Sometimes they'll throw rocks at you. But generally, they won't come out if there's more than one person there.

Tell me, Bruce, you had an interesting encounter after when Steve wasn't there. Do you want to tell us about that? The one I remember the most is I worked midnight on my job, and my wife had a part-time job during the day that was fairly close to where we hunted. And I'd have her a time or two during the week. Just dropped me off on her way to work. I'd hunt, you know, late morning. they'd come through there

every once in a while and you might get lucky but it's happened more than once I'd been sitting up and there'd be nothing moving I mean no squirrels, no birds, nothing no sound at all

and then you'd just get this really anxious you know uncomfortable feeling and I actually got down a couple times I'd get down and go sit in the drive

by the road and wait for my wife to come pick me up. I felt that nervous and that uneasy. And when you would leave the woods, you didn't get a lot of it, but you would get some branches breaking, brush moving back behind you. But I never looked back. I just kept right on going. I felt so uncomfortable that I had to get down

and I had to get out of there. This happened more than once, too. We would be hunting. We would probably, what, Steve, 200 yards apart maybe? Oh, yeah, that's a lot. We would, yeah. But I was in the corner of the same thicket we talked about, and the wood would spin down to, what, maybe 60 yards wide.

I would sit in that corner because it was a real good ambush spot. They came right out of that thicket, right, would walk right underneath. We killed a lot of deer in that, generally. We shot a lot of deer out of that. Yes, we did. Yeah. but my partner was like I said

probably three hundred yards away down the same wood line but down by a little crick and it's fairly young so I kept an eye on him we maybe had radios at the time

there was at least twice I got down because I heard someone between us talking and it was unintelligible but it was low

but it sounded like someone talking just to the, that they were far enough away that I really couldn't understand what they were saying. But like I said, I actually got down twice and walked through the woods and saw no one. And for someone to get out of there, the direction I was walking. My partner would have, he'd had to. But like I said, twice, we did that, and I didn't see a thing. didn't hear, you know, anyone walking away from me or anything like that.

Did it sound like another language, or how would you describe the talking that you heard? I don't really know. I didn't hear, you know, a definite pattern to it. You know, you could hear just a low murmur, you know, you could hear it sound like someone talking, but they were far enough away that you really couldn't understand what they were saying. but it definitely sounded you know like a language like someone talked but you just could not make out what they were saying and like i said i got down we had a couple pictures unfortunately on an ancient cell phone of the stick structure and of what i mean as we looked at and analyzed did it look like a track doesn't you think bruce for pictures you took yeah i'm still going to try to uh that up. I'm going to dig around the house if I can find the charges for that old thing.

That's really all the evidence that we found. It's just these strange happening. We never really looked. That's true. We never really looked because, you know what, that wasn't around the mind. Yeah. I don't think I wanted to look. I think, um, I think if I'd have known much more than I knew, I, I probably would have given up a great, a great hunting spot, to be honest with you. I'm a science teacher by trade. From what I gather from your show and what I know from my biology background, I'll say I'm a believer.

I won't say I'm a knower. I'll say I'm a believer. If you trace the human lineage back, if you do the taxonomy, I think as an educated person, and I'm not claiming to be a primatologist or evolutionist or anything like that. But I think we have to trace it at least to the primate level. I think if it's bipedal and it's a bipedal, that's beyond primate. And so at this point, if I had to put a label on it,

I don't know if I could label it in the genus Homo. Maybe I could label it in the genus Homo, but I would definitely label it all the way up to primate. I mean, I don't think it can be anything else. From what I believe, by Pylate, it's obviously a hominid, and it's going to go beyond that to primate, because it is a, I mean, that's what it is. And I think maybe, you know, I don't think without DNA, are we going to find out if it's in the homogenous or not? But I think just what you know from the physiology of them, that I think we can face them at least to the primate level. Yeah, I tend to agree. And I want to come back and ask you about that track cast.

I sent you, Steve, and get your opinion on it. But I wanted to ask you, Steve, so prior to listening to the show, I probably would have given up on this hunting area. I mean, it must have been one hell of a hunting area because you're getting screamed out by something you guys don't know what it is. You're seeing tree structures. It's obviously messing with your tree stands. You're having deer come up missing.

None of this really adds up. If you don't believe in Bigfoot, none of this really adds up. What kept you guys going back to that area? Why not just give it up and pass it off as this area is too weird to hunt? There's too many weird things going on. It was a great hunt.

hunting area, and it's very, it's not close to where we live, but it's very easy and quick to get to. And we saw deer there early in the season continually. And I think two reasons. I would not let myself say that's what it was. I would never say, hey, this could be fast watch. put a name with it. I would not say that. We tended to, as hunters go, if I was feeling uneasy, I would wait until the sun was almost up if I was hunting in the morning. So I would go in a little late, and if we hunted in the afternoon, I would always come out a little early. I would,

I would not sit there until it was dark to make my way out. It was, I was that uneasy there. And Bruce said we hunted the edges, so sometimes we only had to walk 200 yards to get to our tree stand because they were on the very edge of the thicket. So that made it convenient. And I know this is controversial, but I think I would have to be on the kill side of this conversation during when we were gun hunting. you carried enough gun to put something that large down. During archery season, who knows? I'm not telling you I'd be brave enough to do it, but I mean, you think you would.

You think you'd be brave enough to stand up and try to put an arrow in this thing and just for the sake of saying, here they are, save the organism, you know, sacrifice one to save the organism. but, you know, I think that's what kept us going back to that. And the hunting was just so damn good. We saw deer, what, Bruce, 85, 90% of the time we were there.

Yeah, a lot of the time. But that's when we had the experiences was when the deer were there. And late in the season when the deer moved on because, for whatever reason, their food sources changed or they really seemed to hang out there in November during the rut. here in Indiana, there seemed to be a lot of dough in the area. So when the rut would heat up, the bucks would come in. And that's when we'd have our success. But then when the rut was over, the doves would disappear.

They'd take the bucks with them, and that's when all of our experiences stopped. We never got screened at late in the season. But then again, I don't know, we killed very few deer late in the season because there were very few deer there. But, I mean, we continue to hunt, but I think we, I think I continued to hunt because I refuse to say it was fast-bush, honestly. Yeah, and I think it's interesting what Bruce was talking about earlier. When he, I've heard many hunters say this where they'll hear a conversation going on or what sounds like a conversation, but they can't make out what's being said. It's almost, I've talked to several hunters now.

When they hear that, I've heard it sounded like a Russian person talking. I heard it sounded like mumbling talking. I've heard them say just a foreign language or just there was a conversation, but they couldn't make out any of the words. But they could tell it was a conversation. That would be concerning to me because then you know there's more than one. There has to be more than one in the area. They're probably sitting and watching you guys. And they're waiting for you guys to make the kill so they can go in and take it.

Well, there weren't many days that we didn't hang out there. where it didn't feel like there was at least one pair of eyes just burning right into the back of your head. I mean, you felt like you were being watched the whole time you were there. There was no doubt about it. Yeah, I would agree with that. And hunters in Indiana, I'm sure most hunters are pretty private about where they go. But the other hunters we would bring out to let hunt with us would also walk out of the thicket with great big eyes and ready to leave about a half hour before we should be out of the tree.

I mean, that was a pretty common thing to happen in this. And it was, I mean, the overall area, if you look at, if you count the creek and going from north to south, if you count a creek and all the alfalfa, which the woods run along next to the water, and then the thicket, and then on the other side of it, what would you put? What kind of ground would you call that on the other side of the thicket that we walked there with where that old cemetery was? Just rolling grassland? Yeah, it was a, there was a couple, well, there's a couple springs back in there. The guy's owned the property, all he did was you just mowed it down.

He just kind of tried to keep it under control that way. You know, all the grass was continuously bordered, you know, by woods, not thick or heavy woods, but, you know, enough for a cover, ain't it? Yeah, there were lots of ways, and I think that's why the deer were there. It was a very thick cover, but it was also easy for them to get in and out using the wood lines. But, you know, just to say why we kept hunting there was we actually, I mean, we cheated. We got in late and we'd come out early quite often to avoid, you know, you hunt a place you're comfortable in. You don't get out of a tree stand until it's night.

It looks dark. So if you bump into something, you know, it doesn't know what you are. But, I mean, we got down a few times, and it was still almost daylight just because I know personally, I wasn't comfortable coming out of the place at night, and I wasn't comfortable going in the place early in the morning either. You know, I have to laugh a little bit because the hunter that you guys hunted with, a lot of times in those situations, they'll hear something like a scream or a wood knock or they'll have rock stone at them. They'll pass it off like, I see nothing, I hear nothing, and they just kind of want

to go about their day. But you know deep down, that guy you guys were hunting with, you know he was freaked out a little bit by that scream. He had to have been. Absolutely. Absolutely. You could tell it by its face, couldn't you, Bruce. Yeah, he didn't mention any words with his answer either. He said, diner, and not, did you hear that? He said, I didn't hear anything, and never mentioned it again. So, I mean, it was, it was obvious that he was just blocking it out. And it was a spooky place, and it was spooky from day one. And I don't know, maybe you can give us more insight. I mean, are these things migratory? Are they, are they following the deer? Are they following other migratory food sources? Well, it's like I always say, I don't have one of my garage and

studying. But I think that they do follow the deer. I think that they follow the food source. It's interesting. Sometimes in different areas, you'll talk to witnesses, and they're only in a particular region, certain times of the year. And then other times I'll talk to witnesses where it's year-round. So I think if there's plenty of food sources, like in this area, if the deer are there, these things are going to be there. I think the other thing you guys have going for you in Indiana, I really haven't gotten a lot of aggressive reports from Indiana. I think these things in that area where you guys were at, I think they were following the deer. You guys, you're two predators in an area and you're fighting for resources. And again, I think the thing you guys had going for you, and I'm not saying

that they aren't aggressive in Indiana by any means, but what I'm saying is most of the encounters I get from Indiana really aren't aggressive type encounters. You might get screamed at, you might get rock star in at you, but they don't come out and bluff charge you. They don't really, I haven't gotten too many of those from Indiana. Bruce, what's your take on Sasquatch? What's your take after having these experiences and what's your take on Sasquatch? Hold on it.

I watched all the TV shows and read a few books and I like to keep track of it, but you even look on the BFR website for around our area, almost zero sightings. I wasn't convinced.

I, you know, it was in the back of my mind. You know, we really couldn't explain what was going on. But if we were to listen to your show, you know, 10 years ago and know what we've known, it would have changed my opinion. And also, we would have probably noticed a whole lot more things than we really did while we were out there. Yeah, I think it would have helped if we'd have known what we were looking for.

We didn't know what we were looking for. And we, like I said, just the last couple of years, we started putting this stuff together and it started making sense. You know, it all started coming together from beginning to end and saying, wait a second, this is pretty logical, you know, what's going on here. We talked about it right after it happened. We used to laugh and joke about it, you know, the two younger ones that were with us, we'd tell them about it and drive by at night just to scare them, you know, and they'd like

to get scared. But then we start talking and we thought, you know, maybe that was kind of silly to be doing this because, we'd... when you start looking at this progression, you know, the, I guess I didn't, since talking to you and rehashing this, I think the screen and the following, if that out, was pretty aggressive. I think that was a show of aggression. Hey, we're here. You don't need to be here with us.

But I never really, I don't think I put that together until real recently. I didn't, since I started listening to your show, I realized there are different types. and things like that, and we talked about that earlier, too, what type do we probably have here in central Indiana? But it never really struck me, like I think I told you before, it was always the Bigfoot was the hairy guy that sat on the tree stump and ate nuts and seeds and leaves and just didn't want you to see him. And, you know, I mean, honestly, and I think that's what I was at,

you know, I guess when you ask why we didn't leave, well, we didn't leave because he doesn't want to hurt us. He just wants us to leave him alone. But after hearing, you know, the other reports of aggression and talking about this, and whatever paralleled us out of that thicket definitely wanted us to know it was there, it made no effort to conceal what it was whatsoever. Like I said, it was pushing limbs out of the way. It was dragging its feet through the heavy leaves.

It was stomping its feet. I mean, it was, it was large and wanted us to know it was there. And I never put that together until I just, you know, heard you and Bruce talk about it being aggressive. And that was the show that it wanted us to know it was there. That's more the impression I got was, I'm here, you need to leave. It is what I got. That's more the reason I kept going back because I never really felt, you know, threatened.

It was just more of a get out of here type of thing. We previously lost access. The family member that owned the property sold it, so we no longer get a hunt, but we still, in Indiana, it's really popular to drive around with a real high-powered spotlight and shine for deer. And the deer are still there. I mean, we see them most nights when we shine out there,

and we don't shine during hunting season. Is that still illegal in Indiana? I don't think we can shine during the actual. season. I think we can only shine before and after. You can't have a weapon in my trust. See, I didn't know that. But, I mean, we've never shined it when we hunted it. So, you know, I don't know if, I don't know if I'm ready for that, to be honest with you.

I tend to agree with you, Steve. I think it was aggressive behavior. I guess I should clarify that. It is aggressive behavior for this thing to scream at you and then walk you guys out. I guess what I'm trying to say is you don't get, I, in Indiana, I really don't get a lot of, like down in Texas, they are, when I say aggressive, I mean, they are aggressive as hell down there, or Louisiana or Oklahoma. I mean, they are just, they will come flat out after you in an area. And in Indiana, I really haven't gotten a whole lot of that. But I would tend to agree with you. I would say it's screaming at you, it's stealing your deer. I guarantee you guys are being watched constantly when you're out there. You guys know that.

You guys both mentioned, you know, you felt like there was. a pair of eyes on the back of your head when he walked into that area. Almost all the time. Yeah, almost all the time. Yeah. I mean, even in the middle of the day, you know, we'd go out to move a tree stand, and it'd be 3.30 in the afternoon. And we would go out, move the tree stand, and leave.

There was no, there was no, let's sit down and have a chew. There was no, you know, let's sit out here and enjoy the fall air. It was move your tree stand and get back to your truck. Yeah, I don't know. Do different types seem to be more aggressive than other types? Do they all have an aggressive side? Is there a passive type of Sasquatch? I don't know that there's necessarily a passive side to these things.

I think they all generally have short tempers. The ones that tend to be more human-like, it seems like, or people describe them more human-like, and this is a general blanket statement. This doesn't, isn't by any means concrete. But the ones that generally look more human-like, I tend to get less aggression from them. The ones that look more chimp-like, like you'll find down south, they tend to be way more aggressive. Here on the Pacific Northwest, a lot of times people describe them more of ape-like in appearance. And it's kind of hit and miss.

Sometimes they'll walk away. Sometimes they won't. Across the board, all of these things are very territorial. But I think in the area where you guys are at, I think they probably, just tolerated you guys being in that area because they really didn't show themselves. They really didn't come out and attack you guys or act like they were going to attack you guys. They just kind of tolerated you. Do you think they were there previous to us coming in and we came in on them? Or do you think that they somehow worked their way up into us since it was a couple

years before they demonstrated any, or they just finally got fed up of it after two years? that's hard to say i i would assume they were probably already in the area the other interesting part is you guys might have been unintentionally making hunting easy for them and that's probably why they tolerated you guys in the area it's kind of like the the hunter in washington state i asked him did the sangra at you did it when it picked up your elk and walked off what what was the demeanor of the creature and he said it just kind of looked back at him like sorry the the the elk's mine now, and it walked off. So I think that might have been one of the reasons why they were tolerating you guys in the area.

It's interesting, and some of these are like Yellowstone, for example, and this might be a bad example, but the grizzly bears will actually follow hunters, and the minute the gunshots go off, they'll go in and take the kill, but they'll never bother the hunters, which is odd, because you would think they would go after the hunters, but they don't. They just wait for the gunshots to go off, and then they go after the kill. it's almost like the grizzly bears are tolerating the hunters being there because it's making life easy for them. But I think it was kind of hit, miss, and your guys' situation. I think they were probably already there.

The first couple of years, they were screaming. It was, you were just irritating them. And then I think they started realizing, hey, these guys are killing our kills for us. We'll just go in and take the kill afterwards. So I think there was a little bit of them tolerating you guys in that area. That's my take on it. I mean, it makes sense. I mean, we lost between four and eight deer there.

I mean, and like I said, tracking them in daylight while they're bleeding profusely, and you get there, you know, you go back to your truck and you get warm or, you know, just chat, wait for them to lay down and die. So you're talking, you know, 45 minutes. And in that 45 minutes, you find where they lay down. and they were gone. So nobody, there's no roads close enough to see where these things laid down. There's no footpath.

There's nothing noticeable. So I guess it does make sense. Maybe we were inadvertently doing them a favor. The other thing, too, you have to understand is these things are interesting because they'll eat the gut piles. And you guys dumping out the gut piles, they probably were. We've never found. we never found a gut pile that we left now that you mentioned that.

No, not even that one we left out there in the field. Nope, we never found an old gut pile. I never put that in there either. And that's the other thing too with these things. You know, I think you guys were unintentionally making life, generally speaking, easy for them, because they'll eat the gut pile. They don't go after the portions of the deer that we like. and I say that generally speaking because you'll find

I've had people send me pictures of deer kill and they'll snap the neck, rip it open and eat all the parts that we don't want but all the parts that a hunter would take they just don't take. Yeah, it makes sense though, the liver, the heart. I mean, we leave all that in the gut pile. Yeah, and I think the other thing too

with your guys' demeanor. You know, it screamed at you guys. You guys really didn't show any aggression. Like I said, I think they were just tolerating you guys. I really do. I think it was you made life a little bit easier for them. They ate your gut piles, or if you made a kill, they just picked up the kill and walked off with it. And it was easy pickings when you guys are around. I mean, they could go after whatever you guys killed. And he just made life easy for them. And that might have been the other reason, too, why they didn't come out and show themselves or why they didn't.

All the other things you guys described, though, I'm convinced that you guys were probably around several Sasquatches at any given moment you were there, especially when you're hearing the talking, the screaming, the way they walk you out. I mean, all of that's very, very typical behavior. I think it was just kind of the right storm in the sense that I don't get a lot of, like I said, and I could be wrong, but as far as aggression goes, I don't get a lot of aggression from Indiana. And then I think you guys were just making life easy for them. I don't, we didn't, I mean, we never really seek them out. We more, in the back of my mind, tried to avoid them and still hunt the property.

You know, we weren't out there actively looking for them or signs of them. So, yeah, that kind of makes sense that we were, they tolerated what little bit of intrusion we were doing in order to get the food. We were inadvertently leaving behind for them also. So that's exactly the way we were hunting. We're credding lightly. We were getting in, getting out, not really getting down in the middle of things, just kind of staying on the edges, just trying to slip in and slip out. Well, for the last, what, we only gun hunted for about three or four years,

and then we went strictly archery. So we weren't even making, you know, any noise. The bows are quiet, so there was no, I guess, as little intrusion as you might say as could be. and Bruce was, he was more comfortable hunting in the thicket. My stands were always towards the edge, intentionally towards the edge. And for that reason, that was the only place I was comfortable hunting in that area. Now there's other areas we hunt that it doesn't bother me as much to have to, you know, find my way through the dark in a couple hundred yards worth of woods.

but that place I convinced myself that the fence rows were the best place to hunt, but I think it was inadvertently because that's where I was comfortable coming and going from. The place we're not now is, what, five miles from what we're talking about, maybe? Probably, what, two, probably five miles north, would you say? Yeah, straight north. It's crow-wise, yeah. You can go in that woods and feel, you can go in that woods and feel so comfortable. You can sit right down next to the tree and take a nice of the tree and take a night.

I'm not that comfortable. But yeah, it's more comfortable. Yeah, it's interesting because I know, like, Woody and I will go back prior to anything Bigfoot. And there's a lot of weird things that happen while we're hunting. And you're right. I guess I can, I hope I wasn't beating you guys up in the beginning. But you're right. When you don't really buy into the Bigfoot thing, you'll look at a situation and go,

hmm, that's weird. And then you'll just go on with what you're doing. You don't really stop to examine any. anything, you just kind of want to move on with your day and just go, hmm, that's weird. But even in our situation, I can think of about five different situations. We were in, and we look back now, and it's almost, it has to be Sasquatch related. I don't know what else it could be, but at the time, it was just like, hmm, that's weird.

Do you guys ever talk to the landowner and asked to go back to that area? It's changed hands since then, West. What, three years ago? Yeah, actually both sides. We had permission to come in from either side at one point. We could come into the thicket from the north and that landowner we knew very well, or we could come into the thicket from the south and we knew that landowner. But both those landowners have changed.

And one of them, I said, we drive by and shine with the spotlight. and he's built structures behind the house, and he's parked trailers back in the corners of the woods and the actual thicket itself. So they've actually really, I don't want to say urbanized it, but it's much more humanized. It's much more lived in than it was when we were hunting it, what, four or five years ago? Yeah, and the landowners lived in that house,

and it's, what, Steve, 30 yards from the thicket? Yeah, I mean, yeah. They saw or heard absolutely nothing, they said. Well, yeah, that's what they said. Yeah, I find that hard to believe. But, yeah, they, it's grown up a little bit out there people-wise. It used to be very rural, but the people that owned the lake, it was owned by the water company here. They kind of sold off all the lakeside ground, so people are building houses around it now.

So it's actually, there's what, probably 20 times more people there than there was when we were hunting it, would you say? Yeah, it's growing up a lot since we started hunting. It's a beautiful rolling farm country, and people are snapping up this lakeside property, and turning all the south alpha and corn into grass and building for around here, you know, pretty expensive homes, a couple hundred thousand dollars homes, which is pretty good for the rural area we're in.

But when we started out there, there was one house, and it was 250, 350 yards to the south of the thicket. It's a really old pioneer cemetery out there that's really overgrown and we kind of used it as a landmark. You can always see the trees growing up through it. So anywhere you were, if you were high enough in the thicket, you could look over and see that landmark, and we would use that old cemetery as a landmark.

I don't know. I've read books and people about Sasquot's maybe being attracted to these old cemeteries, but the old Pioneer Cemetery was a little spooky itself. Yeah, I honestly think you guys. guys were definitely in the thick of things as far as these things go. And like I said, I think they honestly just tolerated you guys. You guys left easy food for them, easy kills for them to take. And they probably just sat and watched. That's probably why you guys felt like you're watched all the time. They're waiting for you guys to make the next kill so they could either snag the deer

or snag the gut pile. Steve, I wanted to ask you, and I'll post a picture of that, that print under this episode. What's your take on that print? It looks very human like. Did you get a chance to look at it? You took the words right out of my mouth. You said human-like, and I was going to say human right before. You got it out before I did. No, very human-like because it's not flat. There's a curve from side to side on the heel and the ball of the foot, like a human footlet have. It's not the stereotypical flat, Sasquatch footprint that you get. It was very human-like because the bottom of the foot was rounded from side to side, and that's what I noticed immediately was how human it was.

Yeah, I mean, you said that before I could just get the words out of my mouth, but even the spacing between the toes and the ratio of size of the toe. toes to the foot seem to be more human-like than the typical Sasquatch track. And the toes weren't, they weren't square at all like you would imagine something walking barefoot all the time. You know, you're absolutely right. It was very human-like. I was, yeah, I was surprised how human it looked, except it's probably 18 or 19 inches long, would you say? Yeah, it's a big print.

And for the audience listening, it was taken by a police officer here in Washington, State, probably one of the best casted prints I've ever seen. What's interesting is I got a big fat foot, and my foot looks tiny compared to this saying. But what always bothers me about Sasquatch and a lot of their prints is they look very human-like. Their footprints I'm talking about look very human-like when you examine them. And I was just kind of curious on what you thought. I don't know if you got a chance to see it, Bruce. I'll send it over to you if you want to see it. Yeah, I'd like take a look at it. I saw Steve's picture this afternoon, but I didn't get a close look at. Just from what I've seen online, obviously I haven't had any experience with

actual cast, but it is much more human-like than probably any other cast that I've seen, and it's a fabulous cast. I mean, it looks like this thing intentionally stepped in soft clay or sand, so you can make a cast of its foot. You can see the toes, the spacing of the toes, how everything articulates. Yeah, that was an impressive cast. You see something like that, and it made me think, you know, if that was what was walking around that ticket

that was yelling at us, telling us to get out of its way so it could hunt. So, yeah, that was probably the most human-like cast, I think I've seen. Yeah, and it's interesting, like I said, going back prior to anything Bigfoot, But I know Woody and I found a print when we were out one time. And it looked more like Fred Flintstone's foot. It looked much different than this print.

I was more square, more boxy. But it still looked very human-like. And that's one of those things where we just kind of looked at it and go, hmm, that's weird. And then we just moved on. We didn't really. And that would have been a beautiful cast if at the time we would have went back and cast that print. I wish we would have now.

But at the time, we just looked at it and go, hmm, that's weird. You know, some guy must be out here without his shoes on. And it wasn't really outside of human range. I would say the one that we found was only maybe 14 inches long. I mean, 13, 14 inches long. It wasn't outside of the human range. What was weird about it was it was so boxy. Do you attribute the different types of tracks to the different types of Sasquots

or just maybe the conditions that they're living in or the areas that they're dealing with on a day-to-day basis? Not really. I mean, most of the casts that you'll find, and there's a great website, I can't think of it right off top of my head, but there's a great website where you can actually buy Cass of famous prints. And if you look at them, they're all kind of human-like. I think there's only one on there that looks more like a gorilla, like its big toe. But it looks like the big toe was torn.

It doesn't look natural like that's the way its foot was. It looks very human-like, but it looks like the big toe had been kind of torn and strenged. Like an injury, yeah Yeah, yeah I don't recall I remember Bruce Taking the picture of that cast We found it together

We may have been tracking a deer that day If I remember right It was late in the year We were just kind of walking around It was really late in the season It was down by the creek On the north end And there's lots of deer trails down there

I mean it is crisscross with them And we were just walking from these paths. And he said, hey, look at this. And I looked at it. And he said, what's that look like to you? I said, kind of like a footprint. And he said, I thought so cute.

He took a picture of it with his phone. And you showed it to a couple people, and you said, I remember you're one person in particular. I won't mention who it was. But you said, hey, what is this? And she said, that's a footprint. And, I mean, it was, and that person is definitely a non-believer. I'll try to retrieve that off my old phone.

I still got the phone sitting here at the house. I'll see if I can get that off of there. That's the only real, I mean, other than the tree structure and the big tree up against my tree stand, and it was leaning on my tree stand. It wasn't in the tree next to it. It wasn't in the tree above my tree stand. It was actually on the shooting rail part of my tree stand. We really, but we didn't look for any fine, and I think we intentionally didn't look for any sign.

It was... Well, if we'd have the knowledge that we have now from listening to Wes's show, we'd gun hunt. Well, we'd have looked at things a whole lot different way. You know, we would have took more pictures and we'd have looked at a lot of different things than we did. Yeah, I would have been a lot less comfortable than I was, honestly. I'm kind of happy I was as ignorant about the subject as I was. Great place to hunt, though.

I mean, it was lousy with deer during early season and the rut. And that's when we had our activity, and then the rut would go away. The doze would disappear. The bucks would disappear, and everything else would disappear with it. I don't know that we ever saw footprint in the snow out. We never saw foot for it in the snow, did we? No, no. And we were always looking for tracks in the snow.

And we'd hunt, you know, be it deer or otherwise. Yeah, we'd hunt through December. And, I mean, December's not a real snowy month in Indiana, but four or five inches at a time. And, but we never saw a Sasquatch track then. I'm, I would venture to say that maybe they had moved on with. with the dough, which the buck were probably following also at that point. So maybe they had moved on from our area to another area because everything died down at the end of November, wouldn't you say? Yeah, yeah.

Right close to the end of November. In the November, everything out there got quiet. And it was back, well, I don't say back to its peaceful self, but that's when all the action of any kind ended. The duck hunters and the goose hunters were gone, so you didn't get any of that. And, you know, and I don't know if that's a food source for them, too, but that place was full of ducks and geese. I don't know how they would catch ducks and geese, but that little was almost an inlet that we hunted off of. And it was just, I mean, literally hundreds of Canada geese in this inlet while we were hunting in the morning. So that may have drawn them there also, I don't know.

I never put, even though we sat here and made all these contacts the last two years, we've been talking about this, or since we've been listening to your show, the aggression side never come out until you mentioned it. You know, you said it wanted us to know that it was escorting us off its property. I mean, that's the feeling I get at this point. I at this point would probably, for lack of any other explanation, I would have to say that's what it was. It was a large creature that didn't want to stare and aggressively, almost like a watchdog. You know what I'm saying? Watched us go from its territory until we were gone. Yeah, and that's what you'll find with these things.

As far as finding tracks, what's interesting about these things is they'll usually sit on the side of game trails or they'll sit. You'll never find, well, I don't want to say you'll never find. Generally speaking, you won't find deer prints or prey prints and then Sasquatch prints. But if you look off of these game trails, that's where you want to look for the sign of them. Because they'll sit just like a hunter will. We'll sit off the side of a game trail or will sit at the opening of a game trail or at the end of a game trail. And that's generally what they do. They won't like follow in.

If you're looking for deer prints, you'll probably never see a Sasquatch print because they don't follow the prey in. They wait and ambush it just like we do. And that makes a lot of sense because when we're down there following the game trails, we're following the deer path. we're, you know, we're seeing what direction the paths are, what direction the tracks are going, and we're not paying any attention to what's off on the side. I mean, we're, yeah, I mean, that makes a lot of sense. We, uh, especially down there by the, by the creek where the other young person was hunting with us, that was, it was riddled with deer trails, that there were tracks everywhere, but we never,

we, you know, it doesn't make sense for a deer hunter to track off the, off the path. So we stayed on the trails and looked at them. We didn't walk on the trails, but to walk next to the trails and watch their path, it would make sense that we wouldn't come across a footprint except that footprint that you found that it was basically at the intersection of three or four deer paths, if I remember right, wasn't it?

Yeah, and, you know, you think about that creek down there. Heck, it's deep enough to fish out of. You know, it's what, three, four feet deep? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I never thought about that. But, I mean, yeah, there was lots of ways in and lots of ways out. But talking to, talking to West, it makes a lot of sense that it was, do you want to say passive-aggressive? As opposed to just flat-out aggression.

I mean, you know, it kind of said, I think it's time for you to leave now. and, you know, that night we packed up and left. I'm beginning to think that our lack of knowledge about the subject maybe led to our safety. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think, yes, I think, yes, I think, Wes, you agree with that? I'm kind of agreeing with that also, but our ignorance of the matter probably kept us safer than if we've had enough to be dangerous. Yeah, I would agree with you guys. I think, like I said, they were aggressive with you guys, but I think, in the same breath they were tolerant of you guys and you guys never really I think you're right

I think you nailed it Bruce I think that the fact that you were ignorant on the subject you never really went in looking for them you never really went off trail just kind of you guys went in went out and after a while I think it was just easy food for them and they were just tolerant of you guys going in there I can't say that I won't say that they were happy you guys were there but I think that they tolerated you guys being there and I think you nailed it Bruce I really do I think the fact that you were in and out. You guys got the food, left the gut pile. Sometimes they got your deer.

You know, the scream you guys didn't freak out. You didn't go after whatever was screaming at you guys. You guys never fired off shots in that general direction. I think you're right. I think it probably did save you in this situation. Are you thinking family group with or are you thinking just a general group of these things? Well, I think my theory. on these things is you always run into a family group. Very rarely do you run into just a bunch of males

running around. Now, in some situations you do, like I was, I don't know if I told you not, Steve, like the lady down in Texas that claims there's three black guys that throw rocks at her house, and they bang on her house, and then they retreat back to the forest. I think those are probably just a bunch of males screwing with this lady. I think probably in the situation you guys were in, it was probably a family group. They were probably in the area most of the time, as long as food was there. They were there. I think Bruce nailed it. You guys were ignorant of the situation. You guys were in and out. You guys didn't really mess with them. And so there's really no need to mess with you, except for walking you guys out and screaming at you guys. Now, towards the end of

all of this, did you notice the screaming stopped? We probably only heard it scream a total of three or four times. Every time we heard it scream, every time I can remember it screaming, we had a deer either wounded in the thicket or down on the ground somewhere. Yeah, I think you're right. I don't ever remember it screaming when we were just climbing down out of the trees. I don't remember it screaming. I definitely don't remember screaming going in because I would have left. But I think every time it screamed, and I think it was four times,

we either had a wounded deer or one that was already down on the ground. ground somewhere. It may be a coincidence, too, but it was always after full dark. Yeah, absolutely. It was dark, dark. After we had shot the deer in the evening and then let it go off and die and then find it and then field dress it. That's when, yeah, it always screamed at dark. Never, never at daybreak, never at dusk. Yeah, you're right, It was always dark, dark when it was. Yeah, full dark. Yeah. And I think that's just irritation on its part, you know, thinking that that's its kill, not your guys is.

And so it's just frustration of it screaming at you guys. But it probably was happy with the gut pile you guys left behind. It probably sat and ate that after you guys left. I told you when we talked earlier. I'd like to see one from 200 yards away with a carpanaxia. I don't want to be in my tree stand and have it. one walk within Bow Range. I mean, I don't want that to happen.

I don't know how Bruce feels about it, but that's... No, that wouldn't be a good situation. Yeah, I, you know, like I said, I'd like to think I'd be on the kill side of things and love to say, yes, here it is. Let's save this species or this whole genus of species and preserve them with one. but honestly, I would, yeah, I don't know that I'd have the intestinal 42 to get it out, especially with a bow, because that's all we hunt with now is a bow.

So you're talking, you know, in a woods, 20 yards is a long shot because there's so many limbs and trees. So it would probably be within 20 yards, which is way too far inside my bubble for something that big. he's not bothering me. I'm not going to piss him off anyway. Well, see. Yeah, I guess that's another way to say it. But, you know, I... He's headed away from him. I'm going to leave him alone.

I guess if he was walking away from me, I'd probably do the same thing. You know, as much as you'd love to be the one that did it, you know, and then you probably feel horrible after you did it. I tend to agree with you guys. I think that with these say I could execute one and bring it in, but I know deep down that's probably not true. I don't think I'd feel great about it. However, if one was coming at me, I would shoot it.

I would kill it. I don't know if you guys heard the kayak, the fisherman I had on. He's going back tonight to that area with his law enforcement buddy. His law enforcement buddy actually had some really interesting information. It'll probably be an upcoming show. But if one was coming at me like that, I would shoot it. I would have no problems putting a bullet in it. But to execute one, I'd like to say I'm a big man, and I would have no troubles doing that.

But I know deep down, I'd probably feel pretty bad about it. Just killing something to kill it. You know, I'd like to say, for the good of science, I would have no troubles with it. And I probably would do it, but I know afterwards I would probably regret it. Yeah, I just don't know if I'd have the stones to do it if it wasn't, you know, aggressively. If I felt threatened, yeah, that'd be one thing, but to not feel threatened. I think it would, I think it takes somebody with a big set of stones to be able to put an arrow in something that big and that strong. I honestly think we're dealing with something on an intelligence level that's higher than what we know this out there.

I mean, I think it's on an intelligence level that's above every other mammal out there. I don't think any other land mammal of reasoning like this thing is. And I truly, from talking to you and listening to your show and talking this thing out, I think they're communicating and reasoning. I mean, I do. That's a halfway educated assumption, I guess. I mean, I'm fairly educated. But from what we've just talked about tonight, they're obviously, you know, they're not looking at us like a grizzly bear. Because if a grizzly bear sees you as a threat, you're going to get attacked.

There's no bluff, there's no, you know, none of that. But this thing seems to be able to reason, and we turned out to be a benefit for it. So why wouldn't it, you know, keep us at, so to say, arms lengths? Think about it. You know, the deer out there had us pattern. Why wouldn't they? You know, we show up in the truck. They hear the truck doors.

They know where we're going and what we're doing. That's why we had to scoot off to the side and watch everything. we're doing. And then we changed stands and then we find deer again. But yeah, he's that's back there also. But yeah, I don't know from this conversation and previous conversations,

I and being in the woods for 35 years around here, I've seen nothing that would make that noise and sound that big because the largest thing I've seen in the woods

is a deer around here. I've seen Have you seen anything larger than a white tail around here? No, we've never run into anything that made noise like that or vocalized like that, ever, not even close. Yeah, it was, it was, Bruce stopped short saying bipedal. I thought it was bipedal. I thought it was walking on two legs when it was paralleling us out of the thicket. It was either really big or made itself sound really big. and it didn't sound like it was afraid of us.

That was... That was breaking branched. It sounded like a gun going on. Yeah, it was breaking pretty big branches. It wasn't trying to make itself hidden. It was making itself known. And, you know, the aggression part never, I never put two and two together until you said that, West. You said, yeah, it was being aggressive saying, hey, you know, this is our territory.

You've encroached to none. And I guess that's how I'm starting to feel at this point, just with the new knowledge that I have from this discussion. Yeah, we didn't know anything about that. We had no idea. Yeah, we really thought he was the, what do you call him, the friendly forest giant? And that's what we thought we were dealing with. Yeah, well, they're not always a friendly forest giant. And I think with these things, their behavior, you're right, they do reason.

like a grizzabar, most predators act off instinct. They don't reason, but primates will reason things out, and they'll calculate what their next move is going to be. Not always, but I would say most of the time, and I think that these things do the same thing. Let me know if in the area you guys are hunting, let me know if anything starts to happen in that area. I'm also wondering where they moved off to.

Like Bruce said, we're about five miles north of that area. area now, other than maybe catching one in the spotlight late in the evening would be our only hope of seeing one out there in that area even because we don't have access to it. We were the people that bought on the north side made it very well known that they were, I don't know if he really said he was going to hunt, but he basically said, no, we're not going to allow anybody to hunt back here. and then he built some structures and put some trailers back there. And then there was a house pretty close on the south side, a very huge log cabin, very luxurious log cabin. But it was vacant for how many years, Bruce, probably 10? Yeah, probably, yeah. And somebody, the neighbors on the other side were kind of keeping an eye on it for the family that owned it,

and they allowed us to park and then walk across. But since then, even that log home has been sold. So other than, I mean, I guess we could nose the boat up there in the summertime and nose around a little bit. But we really don't have any access to that area right now. Well, Steve and Bruce, I appreciate you guys coming on and sharing the experiences. I always love to hear from hunters because they, you know, they're more, I don't want to say more aware, but they really are more aware when they're out in the wild and when they're out in the forest. So you're generally more aware of their surroundings.

And I really think that you guys had some things going on out there. I think that you probably several creatures are watching you guys and tolerating you guys. And I just can't thank you guys enough for coming on the show and sharing it. Well, I appreciate you shedding a lot of light and giving me more insight on actually what. it makes me feel more competent that I wasn't almost imagining things, if you know what I mean. Confirmation, you know. I guess I got confirmation on what I always thought it was in the back of my mind. So, yeah, I appreciate you having us on, Wes.

Yeah, thanks, Wes. Yeah, thank you guys. We've wanted a lot from listening to your show. Yeah, we listen to your podcast quite a bit. I appreciate it. Yeah. If you need anything else from Central Indiana, if you're anything else around here,

don't hesitate to give us a call. Thanks, fellas. All right, thanks, Wes. See you. Thanks, Lou. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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