Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:26 Witness Encounters With Bigfoot

Episode Date: April 7, 2014

Witnesses share their encounters with Sasquatch. Both listeners contacted the show and wanted to share their Class A encounters with Sasquatch.One listener had a possible Dogman sighting. Join us every Sunday night at 5pm PST as we discuss recent Sasquatch sightings, encounters and talk to Bigfoot eye witnesses. People are seeing something in the woods and there are too many reports for this too be ignored. Listen as we talk to researchers, witnesses and investigators to unravel the mystery of Bigfoot. Every week we will also bring you the latest Bigfoot news and information.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What on now, sir?

That's the start of a bitch is about six foot nine. Yes, I'm looking right here. Uh-oh. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Saskwatch Chronicle. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. This episode is brought to you by audible.com. Go to audible trials.com for your first free downloadable book and your first free 30-day trial.

I'm telling you, man, I feel like I've been in a car accident. That kind of work will do it to you, man. I'm telling you. Yeah, I've been looking those 150-pound beams up all week on this construction site. I was in a motorcycle accident probably five years ago, six years ago, something like that. I don't think I physically hurt being a motorcycle accident than I do right now. Getting too old for this stuff, ma'am. I hear you, man.

Getting old for that kind of stuff where we're still out hunting monsters. Yeah, yeah. on a on a positive note a girl that was probably gosh, she couldn't have been more than 22 wanted to give me her number

or tried to give me her number but yeah you know we're all the 22 old girls when I was 22 you know what I mean Well you know they're never interested in when you're with the right age to take advantage of them It's always when you're old that they all want you And you want nothing to do with them at that point

Well you might I mean but, you know, I'm kind of over the hill, so... Yeah, yeah, 22 is still 22, you know. This is true, you know. Yeah, it just made me laugh. I was just like, really? That's funny. Yeah.

So what do you've been up to? Well, waiting through emails. Yeah. I'm telling you, man, it's... The one nice thing I like about with the guests or with all of our listeners is we get a lot of really... some folks out there and lots of, I guess should we talk about the one funny one this week, the YouTube video with the Russian newscaster?

Yeah, I was laughing when I saw that, man. I don't even know where to begin to describe that one. I mean, we're going to have to post it up on the fan page on Facebook because it's really hilarious. I mean, if you want a good laugh, folks, you've got to go there and click on it. It's only about four minutes long, but it's just funny as hell. Yeah, it's funny when you get wrapped up in this whole big folks. business.

I guess you kind of become numb to a lot of things. And watching the newscaster go through the different people of the Bigfoot world and kind of what's going on, you know, it's really laughable. It's like she said, you know, you can't make this stuff up. I was busting up. I was just like to actually hear it from kind of an outsider and have her go through the different people, I was like, wow, this really is a circus. This is really, I mean, sometimes, yeah, sometimes you really have to get that sort of

view from outside of the whole subject to see what, you know, what people across the world and other places are how they view what's going on here. And I just, you know, the guys we talked about last week. Yeah. It was funny to watch her reaction, how she couldn't hold the straight face. She's busted. I mean, I'll have to, I'll post it up on Facebook. I'll find the link and post it up. It is, it is good for a good laugh, you know. Oh, yeah. Like I said, I wouldn't even know how to begin to describe it. You just have to go there. watch it and it's well worth going and checking out. Yeah, it's hilarious. It really is.

Interesting about Johnny's, he has some information about one of the type threes or what dog man type creatures, and we don't get very much of that yet, so it's something new that we're usually what I do is when I talk to somebody about their encounter is just try to get a little bit of background, you know, by starting off before the incident. I'd watch stuff on TV about it, you know, all kinds of like monster quests, stuff like that. and what originally got me started, and it was way back in the day, Unsolved Mysteries, the old-school one, on TV, and they showed a bunch of stuff on it, and it scared me to death, like, when I was really young. And my mom wanted to show me that it wasn't something to be afraid of or anything like that. So she took me to the library and we read all the books, all kinds of VHS tapes on it and stuff like that to show me that it wasn't something to be scared of.

Yeah, pretty much after that, you know, I just would watch stuff on it whenever I got a chance. Okay. Now, what part of the country is this? Ohio. Ohio, okay. So, okay, let's go forward then to your encounter. Can you tell us what you were doing? prior to leading up to this?

Pretty much me, my girlfriend at the time, and two of her friends, we were just kind of out driving around because we had nothing really better to do. And we'd just go and drive for hours on end and pretty much try and get lost. That and we were underage and we would out and drink a little bit

and stuff like that and just hang out. we had just pulled off in this little gravel turnaround or this little gravel uh it was around it was around the curve and there was a uh like a gravel section off to the side of the road off to the left probably white enough for a car a car and a half like maybe a breakdown lane sweet park i'll get out and we're playing the radio on the car and just kind of hanging out it started getting dark and off our left, there was a huge honeysuckle bush. I mean, this thing is the biggest honeysuckle bush I've ever seen. And it was right on the edge of a woodline.

And as we were kind of hanging out and talking, kept hearing stuff like branches breaking, stuff like that. And we thought it was maybe, you know, an animal like a raccoon or something like that. It started getting louder and louder. after, you know, like that night, I didn't drink anything because one, I didn't like, I don't like vodka,

and they had just finished off drinking the vodka. The one guy that drove wanted to scare it off by filling the bottle into the honeysuckle bush. So as he threw it in there, or after, or he threw it into the bushes, and the sound stopped. So we kind of shrugged it off. And within a minute or two, that bottle comes flying back and lands into the road. So it goes past us into the road.

And this scares us all to death because we're out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, there's no lights. There's no, I don't even remember the last house we saw. And so we all freak out and run, jump back on the car. and we go the opposite way we came. And we must have been driving for maybe two or three minutes, and we had to stop because there's a huge, well, not really a huge, there's a pretty large branch laying in the road.

Me and him jump out to go move it. And by that time I was already dark, so the headlights were on and everything. So I get out, he gets out, we run over to move this thing, and we can barely move it. Like, we ended up having to spin it rather than pick it up and go off to the side of the road. It was too heavy for us both and for us to try and actually lift up and, like, pick up and move. And while we're doing that, this really horrible smell comes waving in because the wind started blowing. And it smelled like, something like garbage, like a wet dog in garbage and like a major.

of like rotting meat and that. And with that, as we're doing that, we hear movement pretty much like all around us. And it wasn't little cracks from the wind blowing in the trees. It was large snaps of branches all around. And so once we get the branched enough to where we could get by, because if we were to try to drive around it, like I said, we wouldn't have made it because off to the side of the road,

there was a small ditch, and if we would have tried to drive in that car, it would have got stuck. The interesting thing about that was I wasn't on the end where it was broke off at. There was no way a branch of that size would have broke and fell into the road because there was no tree canopy over top the road. it was cut. It was cut back. Maybe after we remove it, we run and jump back in the car, and we just take off.

After that, we never really went back to the air for a while. So you could get another encounter after that? Yeah. We did. How long after this? How long after that one? I would say probably a couple years. It's me and that girl at the time where we got for about three or a couple years.

just when I actually did see something and I still I still kind of doubt myself on what exactly I saw because I just it's just one of the things where in my mind it's like what this doesn't happen to me you know it happens I always hear about it happening to other people and I had no idea you know I didn't know that something like that existed in Ohio like I heard the of the Perry County grass man and stuff like that but I always thought it was an old kind of settler's tail, like that one, like the one where the guy got attacked by something from the 1800s, I think, and his daughter fought it off with a rock or something like that. Like I figured it was one of those tails, like an older tail.

One that I saw personally was me and the same girl, we were driving around again. We'd drive on the backcountry road again. and as we're driving some setting behind us and it was probably beyond us because we had just turned the headlights on and we had just got done coming around a curve two, I want to say doze, but it was about springtime, maybe early summer,

two deer run out on the road and they'd act like we're not even there. So she jams on the brakes and I'm in the passenger seat and she comes at a stop and so I was like, man, that was crazy. close. She goes, yeah.

And I just happen for some reason to look up in the rearview near to see if there's any more gear coming. When I do, I see, this is exactly what I saw. I see something kicking one big step

into the road, like a mid-step. And it lands on its, it lands on its bright leg. But what I'm saying in the rear view, I'm saying from about mid-side up, to its stomach. And then I lost its swing its left leg,

or its right leg forward, and as it steps, it puts hand down on the back, on the trunk of the car. Like, not pressing down on it, but just kind of pushing its hand, put its hand on it, kind of like when you don't want to run into something

where it's a low, it's like a low, yeah, without, so it caught itself so it wouldn't hit it. And even though the film was behind this, I could still, and it was still getting really dark, I was able to see this because of the tail lights,

and so everything was red. And I kind of blinked, like, this, it seems like it took forever in my mind, but I blinked, and I looked at her, and she's wide-eyed, and she's white, and her mouth is open, and I see her eyes turning up. So I look back, I look back, and it's, you know, already going across the road.

So I turn around, I'm like, and again, in my head, I was like, what's where did I just see? So I open the door and step out, but leaves the door open. And on the other side of the road, this would be to my right, it went down a little embankment right into the woods. And I see something probably from the armpit up, at least that's where I focused on, from the armpits up, and its shoulders were really wide, and it was black or dark brown. From the last little bit of light that was coming off, you know, because the sun was setting, I could see it had ears on top of its head,

like a dog, and some like I can see from the ears, they were real thin, not really wide, not really that fuzzy, and its general head and shape of its head was kind of, kind of dome shape, more or less. It looked like its sides were kind of flat, and the top of the sides were just slightly rounded or flat. But it actually, like, we weren't even there. It just kept going.

Do you think it knew you were there? I think it knew us that we were there, but it was kind of too focused on the deer. So, Johnny, was this more of a dog, more of what they call it a dog? I believe so. That's what I've always chalked it up as. Was the body, did it look more primate or more human-like in appearance, besides the head, of course?

It honestly reminded me of, like, a more thinner. It was definitely thinner. Like, everything I think of when I think of Big Color Sasquatch, I think of the Patty film, and, you know, the big broad shoulders and the... compact, not compact, but just really stocky and built. Yeah. But these ones in my opinion

and what I saw from it was it was not as wide as Patty was, but it was definitely probably about one and a half times my shoulders. And, you know, I'm a decent, I have pretty broad shoulders, so

it was at least one and a half times my width and the, I remember, of the leg was it's probably a good, probably six him's bigger, around his mind. What did you think when he saw it?

What the hell did I just see? Because it was way too, it was way too big to be a person. Right. And there's nobody, what did I just see? Unless there's some seven-foot dude running around

with a gilly suit on at eight, a car. 30 at 9. What was going through your mind? And I know we got a few other guests we have to get to. And I really do appreciate you sharing your encounter. No, I...

Oh, no, thank you for having me on. No, I appreciate you sharing it. I wanted to know what was going through your mind when you... You guys tossed the vodka bottle out the first time. Mm-hmm. And then to have it come throwing back through the air, what was going through your mind where you think... I mean...

To be completely honest. At first I thought I was like somebody who was kind of... somebody was playing a joke, you know. Yeah. But it dawned on us that stuff, nobody was around at all. Like I said, we were, there was, I don't even remember the last time we passed a house or anything. Because after it got thrown, you know, it just got dead quiet. There was no more branches breaking them nothing.

It just, it just, it just, it just, I, once I flew back, it was like, we got to get out of here for, I don't, I don't, I don't want to know what, to the bottle back because no animal in the woods here in Ohio will throw a bottle back. Yeah, I think I'd be a little worried about that too. Yeah. The thing is, it could have hit us because it flew past us

and landed in the road. So if it really wanted to hit us with that bottle, it definitely could have. I was interested when you saw the creature, you mentioned the years, did you get a chance to see any of the face? No, it was...

No, I didn't. I saw, in the rear view, I saw it from about mid-leg to stomach, and then by the time I got out of the car, it was already off the side of the road, and all I got to see was the back of its shoulders and the back of the head. Okay. I was just wondering, you know, we get, like Wes said, there's not a whole lot known about these type three creatures, and oftentimes people almost like a dog thing.

And I tend to think that with primates, you know, of course, many primates have a, that might be mistaken the bump off in this case. That's what made me think of a werewolf pretty much basically the whole time, like a wolf in the area. Right. Not really hearsay stories, but one of my friends

and I grew up around that area that they talk about their cars being paced by something off to the side and they'd be going about maybe 35, 40 down these back roads and something would be pacing their car. And the most interesting one for me is one, well, two of them is one, one of our friends that I had back on the day,

her family raised horses. And when, like, she came to school one day and she was upset because her horse died. Something happened to it and I died. So that day when we dropped her off, she was, or that day when we dropped her off, we saw the horse parent and they had a back hole in there digging a big hole for it. They were just going to roll it in and bury it. So everything that day they did. And then that following Monday, she came back to school and she was a real sad again.

We're like, you're so excited about your horse. She goes, well, yeah. And we're like, all right. She was something dug it up. And we're like, what? Something, according to her, something, after they buried it on that Friday or Saturday, the next day when they went out to feed the rest of the horses, something had dug up that horse and drug it out of the hole,

like half of the hole to its head was dangling in, and something corded out, like ate it out, like completely gutted it. But the thing is I couldn't find any of the dust or anything. Kumbu talked about that. Like, when he told me a story one time where someone's dog had died and they had buried it and then they got up the next morning and something that I actually dug up the dog and actually, same thing as you're describing with the horse,

basically gutted it in the middle of the night. And so, I mean, it's kind of believable, you know. Kumbos actually told me a few stories like that where something has actually dug something up and corded it out, like, you know, a beloved pet, like a horse or a dog or something like that. Yeah, I've never, I've a person had never heard anything like that, and I'm more terrified of what's strong enough of a horse.

stuff out of a hole. And okay. Because we don't have anything big like that around that area. I thought Bigfoot creep me out, but Dogman really creeps me out. Yeah. And I didn't have a question about, or sorry about that. No, no, go ahead. One final question.

Yeah. If you recently, you guys been doing shows about the government cover-up with that, what would ultimately be, ultimately be. the reason why. I mean, Russia, they're openly more, less seems like they're openly wanting people to talk about it, but it seems more or less the government in the United States is kind of pushing a blanket over everything. Why would you ultimately think that, why? I mean,

I heard you guys speculate on the forestry and stuff like that. I've actually been in contact with people involved with forestry at various levels, you know, who are government employees, and they agree with my view that, and I'm going to be writing about it. Yeah, that's exactly what I thought, because it would take...

Right, well, they're having any issue like this. I mean, if, you know, it's one thing to have an owl or some smaller species, the impact that has on forests and surrounding communities and how people, or if they're even... But if something like we're on the continental U.S., not only for the and people wouldn't be too happy

about their property being seized by the government because I think that would cause a lot of problems and look what the spotted aisle did to logging communities in the economic systems and they never recovered from that so it would be a big deal and I think if we follow the money in that case that's good.

That's what I was thinking too. I mean just imagine the social and economic impact of finding out that there's more than one thing that walks on two legs now You know, I mean, all the things everybody's brought up saying that, you know, man is, you know, top of the food chain. We're the smartest because of reason X, Y, and Z. You know, we walk by Takedly, which means, you know, we're the top of the food chain type of thing. And it would, I think, in my mind, it would just turn around and just bring it all crashing down.

Yeah, a lot of people think it's just logging, but you got to think of the ripple effect beyond logging. Billions and billions of dollars. Oh, yeah. Well, I don't know if I have any questions for Johnny. Do you have any further questions? Well, I really appreciate coming on, Johnny. I mean, it was cool. Well, no, we're not covered it.

We sure do. Thank you for listening to me. Yeah, we sure appreciate you sharing your incidents with us. Yeah, absolutely. No, thank you guys. You know, I found your guys' podcast at the beginning of the year, and I've listened to everything just because I was bored one day looking for different podcasts. and your guys just happen to pop up, and I love it.

I think you guys are kind of my go-to guys when it comes to any of this stuff, and I know you guys don't claim to be experts, but you guys are the most professional-sounding ones I've heard so far, and to me that is an expert, so. I appreciate that. We certainly do. Everyone here at Bigfoot Hot Spot Spot Radio would like to thank audible.com. Audible.com is the internet leading provider of audiobooks with over 150,000 different titles to choose from.

To download a free audiobook of your choice, go to audibletrial.com forward slash big butt hotspot. From Ohio, he's got a very interesting account he'd like to... William, how are you? I'm very good. How are you this evening? Oh, I can't complain. Hey, so... Awesome. Hey, Wes. How are you? I'm doing well, thanks. How are you doing this evening?

That's good. That's good. You know, do it all right. It's all right. Thanks for coming on the show. Appreciate it. Hey, thanks for having me. Now, usually what I do is with everybody as well, what people knew about the subject of Bigfoot before they had any sort of anything. Yeah.

So if you could just tell us what you knew prior to what your experience was or thoughts and grade. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So growing up, you know, my mom was kind of instrumental in my introduction. to Bigfoot and fast watching everything. You know, every time there's a special on the history channel, she would watch it. And, you know, of course, being a little kid,

I'd be so enthralled by the idea of, you know, this monster living in the woods or something like that. You know, the biggest thing for me growing up was understanding more so what it was in its actions. And the more that I grew older, the more I realized that, you know, they weren't necessarily these big, large, docile creatures. you know, because that's how, at least when I was growing up on TV that they were portrayed, you know,

you'd always see these, you'd always see the patty footage where they were, you know, it was running away and it was spared, you know, and it's, from my, at least from my encounters, it's the complete opposite effect, you know. They're more assertive and they want to be more dominant, you know. But, you know, just overall, you know, like I said, you have these, the television shows put them on as these far, click-blick, you know, creatures that are going to be big and docile, and you can go pet them or, you know, they aren't going to harm you or anything like that, which I don't, I couldn't buy that in a million years after my two encounters, you know. Okay.

Well, so let's, let's, let's fast forward then to the first time you had an encounter. What were you doing that led up? Yeah, so the first time I had an encounter, I was, my buddy and I were fishing on the river, in a small town near where I live. I live in Twinsburg, Ohio. And we were fishing, you know, kind of an out-of-the-way branch of a river called the Shagrin River by us. And, you know, it's kind of far back in the woods, like, kind of in this gorge with a bunch of hemlocks and pine trees and maple trees and all that good stuff. But we've been, you know, just fishing throughout the course of the day and, you know, just kind of having a blast, you know, throwing rocks.

and raising all kinds of hell, you know, being, you know, just fresh out of high school and all that good stuff. The one thing about this river that is not really known about it is that when it floods in the, you know, early spring, when we have all the snow, mountain rock and everything, is it creates like these little shoots, you know, typically like a river will flood, you'll have these big floodplains. Well, there's this little island that seems,

to sit there. And there was like this little shoot that we would always cut through when we would, you know, walk or, you know, go fishing. And so this one time I had this particular time that we went, I was feeling, you know, kind of uneasy about the whole thing, you know. But I said, you know, there's nothing there. I'm just not going to pay any attention to it. And we started cut through this little offshoot.

And all of a sudden I started to smell like a, a rotten musky urine smell. You know, so I didn't think twice about it, but I said to my buddy, I said, hey, do you smell that? And he says, he says, yeah, you probably are so excited about catching all these fish. You probably, you know, peed all over yourself. And, you know, we kind of came back and forth to each other. But we didn't really think about it.

So we crossed back over the river, and we started to hike and fish our way upstream again. And we that took was probably about two or three hours, and we made it to kind of like these set of falls. There's three sets of falls. The first two are easy, you know, to get over the last set is probably about 20 or so feet high. That kind of dead ends in a town. You know, all the tourists like to go and look at it and take pictures of it and all those stuff like that. So when we got there, you know, instead of cutting back through town, which would have been in my idea, you know, the better solution, you know, He wanted to fish his way back down and try and catch, you know, some more fish that we had missed.

So we started fishing our way back down and we're getting to the portion where we cross over the river. You know, we're probably about, oh, I'd say 1,500 feet or so from where we cross the river. And all of a sudden I start hearing, you know, like a shuffling in the leaves, you know. And I tend to look over and don't really think anything of it. and so we start walking a little bit more, and I start to hear, and said the shuffling footsteps. And again, I stop and don't really think anything of it, you know, just kind of talking, thinking, oh, it's probably a deer or something like that. And so we get to about 100 feet away from where we cross, and all of a sudden, I get this really uneasy feeling that something is there. It's kind of like you're being hunted almost.

and so I kind of I heard the footsteps again and this time it was mixed with shuffling I said I snapped my head real quick to the right and I didn't catch you know it was like the famous picture of blob squatches that you always see you know I saw that in my eye and I heard and I immediately froze

and he took off across the river but I froze and I myself you know being having being raised in the outdoors I thought it was a bear so I wanted to try to keep my eyes on whatever was out there. So I turned my back, and I started to back pedal towards the river, you know, very slowly, not really trying to raise my, you know, blood pressure or anything like that or get too nervous.

Because, you know, obviously the bear is going to chase you. Once I heard that noise and started backpedaling, I didn't really see anything else. But I definitely got the idea that I wasn't wanted there. You know, whatever it was, it was very angry. you know, it was such a deep guttural growl. It was so primeval that I couldn't, it still bothers me to kind of think about it. You know, I get a little bit shaky talking about it. And it's really disturbing to the point where I get, you know, I can feel the vibrations in my chest.

You know, I can still feel those vibrations in my chest from that growl that I heard. That's really, you know, it's a lot. Yeah, I've listened a lot. I've heard less of stories all over the place. And, you know, every time he describes it, like, I get that, that feeling that, oh, my God, you know, I'm reliving this again, you know. Yeah. But, you know, what you feel it in your chest. I mean, I know exactly.

I know exactly what you mean when you say that. And you do, you really, you know, a lot of people. Oh, yeah. And the thing a lot of people don't, and so many people haven't experienced it. but the best way I can equate it to a lot of people is is if you get in your car and you find a rap song that has the heaviest base on it, you turn your base all the way up in your car, and that still doesn't touch what it feels like in your chest.

You know? Yeah. So, you know, I backpedaled towards the river. Once I hit that, once I felt the gravel beneath my feet, I turned my back, and I started walking, you know, trying not to panic or anything. And by that time, my buddy was, he was all the way up the river, and he was standing on the road over the bridge waiting for me, you know.

But that was definitely. What a jerk. What was that? I said, what a jerk. He's not backing you up. He's taking off. Oh, no. He grew up a lot.

He grew up in Chicago, so he doesn't, he hasn't spent as much time in the woods as I have. You know, his first instinct for everything is to run, you know. I myself understand if it's a bear, I got to keep my eyes on it because it's going to want to kill me if I start to run. Yeah. No, I was just playing with you. I was rude. I was rude. I didn't mean to cut you off.

Go ahead. It doesn't insult me. It'll probably get him a little bit. But yeah, you know, that was my first experience. And that was, you know, for me, kind of disturbing because the area that we live in is a fairly well-populated area. You know, I mean, it's not like it's in the back of beyond, but it's also not shitty as well, you know. But yeah, that was relatively disturbing for me. I still have problems going to that section of river.

And, in fact, I won't fish where we cross. I won't fish past that point. You know, it's got some kind of juju on that ground for me. I don't blame you. So you didn't actually see it then. You just heard the growl and you heard the vocalizations. Yes. Yeah. No, when you hear the vocalizations, though, I mean, it's one of those things to where you can't really, like the growl we heard, how you described it with the base and everything. I mean, you can't, it's hard to pinpoint what else it could be. You know what I mean? There's nothing else that makes them.

You can't say for sure that it's a Sasquatch, but, you know, what else could make a noise like that? Right, exactly. That's my exact thoughts, because I've actually got a buddy who works for the Division of Natural Resources out here. and he played me some bear calls and he was, you know, some like bear noises and all that stuff and he said, that's what you heard? And I said, definitely not what I heard.

That time's about 10, you know. And he was like, well, there's nothing in this area that I know that does that. And you're in Ohio, aren't you, Philip? Yes. Yeah, so, I mean, what do you guys have out there? Black Bear? We have, so down where we have that incident,

there are actually no bear, that live in that area anymore. Now, up where I live, up in Twinsburg and, you know, towards this area of town, they come right through here on their way over to Pennsylvania. You know, we're kind of like the Bear Highway through Twinsberg, but through Shigrin, there's nothing as far as bears go anymore. They're historically that have been, but nowadays no more. Yeah.

Yeah, and usually bears don't have that growl that you're describing. No, as far as I've heard, no. Yeah. So what happened on your second encounter? So the second encounter actually happened. It's going to be about two years ago this September. My now fiancé, she came out from L.A. to Ohio for my birthday, and we went down to Hocking Hills, which is about 45 minutes south of Columbus.

which is it's pretty close to Salt Fork, if you guys are familiar with that area. And this one kind of disturbs me a lot more because I kind of go into protector mode on this one. And what had happened is we got there on a Thursday night into this campground just out in Hocking Hills National Forest or National Park or whatever they want to call it. And I chose a camp spot that I had camped at a few times. and it's pretty far back from the main trailhead. You know, it's probably about a mile and a half back of really easy walking, but it's really densely wooded. You know, a lot of people will take, like, they'll pull, like, wagons and everything like that

to bring all their camping equipment stuff back. But we just took, you know, a couple backpacks in with a tent and sleeping bags and stuff. So the night that I had this particular, encounter was that Thursday night that we had arrived and there was you know other than the people at the main trailhead who were car basically car camping there was no one to be seen within this you know within this area of campground and so it was about 1015 I went to bed or I you know my fiance had gone to bed and I was getting ready to put out the fire and I put it out and everything. And it was an oddly quiet night. You know, you didn't hear, like, grasshoppers.

You didn't hear, like, squirrels thrashing around or anything like that. And it didn't really, you know, at the time it didn't make much sense to me. I was like, well, I know it's September and, you know, animals are probably getting ready to hibernate or whatever, but it is what it is. So I put the fire out and I went to, you know, I got in the tent and zipped it up and went to sleep. and I woke up at about 10, 15, 10, 30, or 11, 15, 11.30 at night, and I could see, because the trees were starting to lose their leaves for the fall. And I woke up and I was kind of like in a half days sleep, but I was fully aware of what was going on around me. And I looked, I looked straight up because we didn't have the rain fly on because there was no rain in the forecast or anything like that. It was really nice out.

And I looked up and, you know, there was this head looking in our tent. And the oddest thing about it was is that it looked kind of like a football player had a helmet on where there was no neck. You know, it was a head resting on shoulders and I could see hair. It wasn't real long hair, but it was really, you know, you could tell by the texture of it, it was crinkly and coarse. and, you know, it was a really, you know, it almost looked like horsehair. It was so thick and crinkly, you know. And I kind of turned over. Go ahead.

Go ahead. It poked the tent. It was like it was over the tent. Okay. Like over, like it was looking down on top of us. I got you. I got you. And, you know, I didn't think, you know, I definitely didn't want to make, go ahead.

That's not much better, but... No, no, no, no, no, no. No. And so, you know, not wanting to panic or, you know, startle my fiance, I kind of just rolled over and pulled the covers over my head, and I said, whatever it is, it's going to go away. And so I fell back to sleep, and I woke up about 3.30 then to go to the bathroom. And, you know, I had forgotten, pretty much forgotten about it.

And so I hopped out of the tent and I walked about maybe 50 feet into the surrounding woods and to the rear of the tent. And going back from there, there was a tree that was about, you know, a full-grown tree. And then there was another tree that was standing next to it that had gotten hit by lightning or something like that. And because it was all black and broken off about, you know, the break off is about I'm six foot tall and it came up to my chest where the breakoff was. So it'll subtract the foot, so about five feet tall. And I'm going to the bathroom and I'm kind of looking in the woods and I wipe, I like, you know how you like the colds out of your eyes when you wake up?

And I looked up and I saw this head kind of like bobbing in and out of the tree, kind of like looking at me. And so, you know, I kind of did one of those things where you open your eyes real big. And it put its hand, it put its left hand. on the tree and stepped out to behind the hat. So it stepped out from the full tree to the half tree. And when it stepped out from behind that full tree and it was standing behind that half tree, like I said, you know, that hash tree came up to about my chest.

This thing had to have been six and a half feet tall, you know. And I could clearly plain as they see it. You know, with the moonlight shining on it, I could see this thing looking at me. and it wasn't really moving. It had its left hand on the tree, and it was kind of just saying, like, if you're going, like it was trying to figure out what I was doing, and, you know, because Will and I had been talking via email,

and he said, you know, it sounds like he was trying to challenge you. And I myself, you know, I'm a very non-threatening person. You know, I'm about six feet tall at the time. I was about 150 pounds of pure skin and bone. you know, I was the least threatening person you could ever run across in the woods, you know. But when I saw that and that I hop back in the tent, you know, backpedaled my way, keep an eye on it, back tiled my way back into the tent and went back in there. The honest thing about it was when I went the next day to look around, you know, that tree area to see, you know, how tall it was,

just kind of get a frame of reference. Like I said, that tree came up about mid-chested. on me. And I was like, wow, that thing had to have been pretty dag-gum tall to be as far over it as it was. You know, it had a real big, you know, box-like shoulders. You know, it had real big broad shoulders. Its head was gigantic. You know, it was a lot bigger than I expected it to be. Because you see, you know, the Patterson Gimlet, and this, I always refer to the Patty footage, because it's the most well-known footage. you know, and the video that head doesn't look very big, but now seeing what I have seen,

that head looks absolutely gigantic. Yeah, people don't really grasp, you know, the dimensions of these, you know, standing in front of one. Let me ask you this, let me ask you this fellow. Yeah. So I'm putting myself in your shoes, and I'm trying to think about, if I'm laying in a tent, and so you're laying up and you're looking up

and you're seeing the thing looking over, I'm assuming you're seeing like the outline of it looking in your tent. Uh-huh. What was going through your mind? I mean, how do you go back to sleep after something like that? I mean, you kind of did like the 12-year-old like, I'm going to put the covers on my head, which I don't blame me. I probably would have done the same thing.

But, I mean, how do you go from, how do you go from that to where it's like, well, I got to go out and take a pee now? I mean, were you armed to the teeth or something? No, I have, honestly, I have. I've never owned a gun in my life. I will never own a gun in my life. You know, all my family members do. And for me, it's just, it's not something that I, you know, I'm not a tree hugger by any means because I spend a lot of time in the outdoors. But at the same time, you know, I don't hunt.

I have no reason to own a weapon. You know, the idea that was going through my mind when I, when I was laying there looking at it, oh, my God, this thing wants me. but when I kind of rolled over and I laid there for about an hour waiting to go back to sleep or hear anything from it and I didn't hear anything, you know, I thought at that point, well, whatever it was, if it wanted me, it would have gotten me. Right. You know. You know, you know, nothing. Yeah, you know, three millimeters of nylon and a, you know, 10 millimeter sleeping bag aren't going to stop a fast squat. You know?

I think the fact that you didn't do anything except basically ignore it, you know, you didn't respond to the challenge. Mm-hmm. And I mean, you know, for me, exactly. You know, I don't, like I said, I come, I come off as very non-threatening. You know, I, you know, I engage a lot of people. You know, it's what I do for a living, you know, I engage people. and I understand, you know, deceit, just having how to defuse people, you know. But in that situation, I was like, well, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen.

If this thing's going to rip my arm off and beat me at the bloody end, it's going to do that, you know. Right, you wouldn't have a lot of choice. Exactly. I wouldn't, whether I had a gun or not, you know, especially from the story West that you tell, oh my gosh. You know, I couldn't, you know, it's, I couldn't imagine being in, you know, having a gun and being in your shoes. have been like, well, I guess I'm going to save one round for myself, you know. And, you know, holding a gun in your hand standing in front of one isn't any guarantee either. I mean, my own encounter, only a 22, but I think had I had my hunting rifle or my 12 gauge, I don't think I would have felt any.

Yeah. No, I mean, big as they are and as intimidating as they are, it's, you know, there's, there, there should be good reason that people are afraid of them. And for, you know, I always, everyone in my family kind of mocks me because I've, you know, told my stories a couple of times, and I don't tell a whole lot of people about them. But they're always like, well, I'd shoot it. And I'm like, no, no, you wouldn't. No, you would not. You know, I understand you guys hunt for deer and I understand you guys hunt for, you know, whatever else you hunt for.

But you see one of these things, you are not, you're going to turn white as a ghost and you're going to be gripping that gun, white knuckle, and forget how it works. Right. It's easy to make those, you know, statements without. actually having had that experience of statements, you know, and when you talk to people like the three of us, you know, and they make all kinds of stuff. Right. Exactly. You know, for me, it kind of comes down to, you know, the whole, the whole, you know,

situation of, even if you did see something like that, what makes you think that it's not a person in a suit, you know? And would you really want to risk shooting someone, you know? I think it could tell us if somebody in a suit, and if I have a person, if I have a person, you know, had a rifle in my hands with somebody in the suit, I think I'd scare the crap out of it first and make them get out of that. He'd hurry. Yeah, I think the tables are people.

They're like, dude, if you're somebody in a suit, you better get that zipper in motion quickly. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I, you know, for me, I just, especially after what I went through and, you know, listening to your guys as furry's countless times, I couldn't, even with a gun, you know, I couldn't imagine doing anything or trying to act on something.

you know, it's... And, you know, we've made it to you know that if you did shoot one, I think you'd have a problem where the other ones, it's like, you know, you mentioned the Patterson film. I asked Bob Gimlin once why him and he and Roger didn't follow that creature. And he said, we were afraid of where they weren't seen, but there were...

I couldn't imagine being in... And, I mean, it's threatening enough when you have one looking at you, but, you know, because now that I think about it, that's it, oh, there could have always been, you know, one standing to my left or one standing to my right. And I wouldn't have noticed but because I was so focused on the one directly in front of me.

Exactly. You know? That's a common thread in these accounts, and like with West and Woody's encounter. Man, I couldn't imagine going through that. And, you know, the more I hear, you know, people who come forward with stories that sound halfway logical, you know, it's a matter of when they see them and they start to follow them, they do feel like they're being led into a trap. Right, exactly. You know, I think they kind of... I thought there are very logical and they make a great deal of sense.

Yeah. You know, it's... How far away was the saskatch when you were out there peeing? How far away was the saskatch from you? It was about 150 feet away from me. And I... And that's, you know, a rough guess on it. And I was standing...

The thing that made me kind of question how big it was and the whole reason why I walked down there was I was standing on enough. uphill. You know, it was kind of like looking down just a little bit. You know, it had maybe a two or to three, two to three degree decline, which, you know, over 150 feet is a pretty substantial, you know, loss of ground. And I walked down there and, you know, I was like, man, that's up there pretty high. And that guy was at least another, you know, foot over me because it was about, you know, if I had, if it was like looking at a human

torso, it was about to its, you know, belly button. You know, and like I said, I'm about six feet tall, you know. So, probably fucking seven, eight feet. Yeah. Yeah. I go six and a half on the, you know, on the, on the, on the shorter side just to make myself feel a little bit better, I think. Is this, do you ever go back, have you ever gone back to this place?

That was, so I had been. At the time I was 23, I had been camping down at Hocking Hill since I was about 18 years old. You know, and I had always heard the stories of, you know, a little big foot from here, and, you know, you really shouldn't camp by yourself and things like that. But that was the first, you know, incident I had had down there. It's an area that I would definitely like to see a little bit more of. And the reason why I say that is because living in, you know, Northeast Ohio, around the Twinsburg, Cleveland area, you know, we don't have a whole lot of instances, you know,

incidences. They're further, a lot further east, you know, into Estabula County, you know, things like that. You know, and for me, if I'm going to see it, I kind of want to see a little bit further away from home so at least I can be sure it's probably not going to track me home. That's always a good point, you know. Exactly. I don't bring Bigfoot home. No, no, I can't imagine.

I can't. It would turn this town upside down. We have a hard enough problem dealing with Twins Day, let alone Bigfoot. I think it would redefine not housebroken. Exactly, exactly. But we are actually heading over to the Allegheny National Forest in Pennsylvania. I'm really excited to kind of just sit out after having the experiences that I have had, you know, especially the last one that I had.

I'm kind of excited to sit out there and kind of just, you know, soak it all in for a couple of days and see what, see if anything, you know, tries to rear its ugly head. You know, it's definitely this, a lot of this stuff, it has, you know, made me, it's made me appreciate the outdoors a lot more and be more aware of the things around me. it's also sparked this whole new interest in me. I'd say be careful what you wish for. Oh, yeah. You're going to go arm next time?

I can't say that I will. You know, it's... Do you need a borrow again? What's that? I said, do you need to borrow again? I probably should. I should probably say yes at this point. You know, again, if I saw it, I'd probably be like,

oh, my God. It's going to rip my arm off, you know? I would say bear mace probably isn't a bad idea. No, and I actually do carry, I do have a couple cans of bear mace. Yeah, I think that's something that I do go camping with because, what's that? I mean, because bears, of course, you know, in any other wildlife that's in the area, but you never know. I mean, if you were in a situation where the mock charge turned into something a little more.

Oh, yeah, you know. Like I said, you know, bear mace is something I do carry with me. But I have a few, you know, like they say for bears, you know, it just turns human into a peppery snack. you know um go for the um exactly you know

it's it's something you know if I do go arm that'll be the one thing that I do carry um you know but it's it's you know kind of this this whole these whole instances you know that

the more that I think about them the more intrigued I get by them you know it's I've kind of been like a sponge the last year or so trying to to soak up all this information and listen to different people's accounts of what has happened to them. And, you know, kind of trying, because, you know, every time you hear a story, you put yourself

in that person's shoes and think, you know, what would I have done in that situation? Yeah, absolutely. You know, and then you kind of relate back to your own story. Yeah, that's a crazy encounter. I wonder if it, he said it was about an hour from the first time he saw it, so you went up to go to the bathroom? So I saw it, the first time I saw it was about 11.30, and then I went to the bathroom at about 3.30 in the morning.

You know, an interesting thought I was, the fact that you were urinating, and a lot of animals use that tomorrow. You do that, and then you just turned around and went back in a tent. You know, maybe that was just a new. Yeah. You know, and it could have been very much one of those things, because, you know, like I said, the more I think about it, it's, you know, animals do this all the time. You know, like you said, you know, cats are.

notorious for it. Dogs are notorious for it. Every animal in nature speaks with their pee, you know? Because after that night, you know, granted the campground did get a little more filled but I didn't hear anything, I didn't

see anything, you know, I never once felt like I was being watched or anything like that. You know, it was kind of like a one-night occurrence. Now, that's something folks, we're not advocating, so if you happen to run into a Sasquatch, don't pee in front of them. Yeah, I don't recommend it.

Yeah. I can't think of a more a non-threatening position being. I couldn't resist that. Oh, that's funny. I would have thought to do when I was 16 and standing in front of two of them. I'm going to whip it out and pee in front of those. If I wouldn't have had to have gone, trust me, I wouldn't have been out there. Because I do remember waking up a few.

time going, man, I really got to go. I can hold it a little bit. I'm going to wait until daylight. Yeah, I don't blame it. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't make it. Yeah, I, uh, mash. That's a good encounter, Philip. I mean, I really do appreciate it. That's a really cool encounter. It's a really, has it consumed you yet?

Not really, not 100% consume me. You know, I think, like, 95%. Yeah. You know, it's definitely. I think my I think my fiancé would agree 100% at this point Because, you know, there's not a night goes by Where I don't, you know, have, you know, one year guys' old, you know, podcast playing

Or, you know, some of the other ones that are out there You know, just like I said, to gain more and more information Yeah Yeah, I tell you, the best way to gain information that I found Is listening to people's encounters and listening to, like Will always says, you know, listen to the behavior of what you hear an encounter. I know John Green talked about that too,

and even René Jadendon talked about when you hear someone's encounter, the amount of information you can gleam from someone's encounter is amazing. When you listen to someone's, you listen to what they did and then what the Sasquatch did and the whole behavior thing, you know, besides just it walked across the road, when you actually hear the behaviors, you can actually get a lot of information from people's encounters. I'm sure Willa.

You really can't want to be investigators and everything. So when I said and talked to the people, I listened to their story and they ran down to the field, and he slipped on a tree band, and he said it got a real surprise. Look on its face. It kind of rared its head back a little bit, but then it sort of leaned forward like I was trying to get a better look,

and then it put its arms out at 45-degree angles from its body with palms facing him and come walking after him, like it was hurting him. And when he got up and ran to the house and put on some better boots, and he went back after it again. Well, it saw him the second time, and this time it wasn't hurting him. He came. He climbed up on an outbuilding, and it stood.

Then it turned around. He said, no. Yeah. When you hear an account, you have to think about what was going on. And you can kind of get the bigger picture when you can. Yeah, it makes total sense. No, it makes total sense. why it was doing the actions that it was doing, you know?

Exactly. And many people who claim their investigators never look beyond, you know, what I call the trophies. I call most of them trophy hunters because they want something tangible. I want to go to a clip of Jeff Muldrum sitting in his bomb shelter, holding a footprint cast. I'm just joking. Just joking. no you're right what were you going to say

Philip no I was going to say you know it it it it it's

you know William's very right in the fact that you know so many people because I posted both of my stories on

a certain website where field researchers of these animals hang out and a guy in my area

got in contact with me and you know he said well did you get did you collect hair Did you get footprints and, you know, did you get X, Y, and Z?

And I said, well, no. And he said, you know, flat-out, he told me the first one that happened. He didn't really happen, you know. The second one that he said, I was mostly mistaken a bear for what I was seeing. You know, and both times plain as day, I can tell you what I saw, you know, because I didn't have that tangible evidence. I wasn't a good enough force for him, you know. I'll tell you something, you know, there was an old saying, opinions are like assholes.

You know, the guy wasn't saying, how in God's name can he make a claim like that? That's ridiculous. You know, now that they've got their show on and, you know, they have these people, those people are doing the wrong thing, you know, going out, because they're basically telling everyone that it's okay to go out in the woods

and, you know, call for these things and try and lure them to them. You know, they have this whole, again, this whole far-slick idea that they're poo bears, you know, that you can pet them and comb them and, you know, sit around the campbellion and sing kumbaya. Well, my friends, those guys have not the slightest idea of what they're doing. No. Then I'll agree a thousand percent with you.

Yeah. It'd be nice if they'd actually see one and then give their opinion. It would be an underwear changing moment. much here. He is an underwear changing moment. Good one. I might have to steal that one from Will. I hope you don't have a copy written yet.

Do you have any other questions for Philip Will at all? I mean, his encounter was awesome. It's probably one of the coolest encounters are good. Great information. We sure appreciate you bringing in it talking to us on the show about it. Yeah, absolutely. No, I really appreciate you guys for having me on and not calling me crazy and not telling me my story isn't real. No, a lot of the behaviors sound, yeah, a lot of the behaviors sound like a lot of stuff we've heard over and over again.

I mean, these behaviors always repeat when they're real events, they do repeat, and we know that. I mean, I've heard so many over. Yeah. So I'm glad to know I'm not crazy. Because, honestly, for the longest time, for the longest time, for the longest, time I thought I was losing my mind. You know, there were about three months after the second incident where I was like, did that really happen?

You know, did I really see what I think I saw? You know, I've always been intrigued, but did I really see that? Yeah. You know, Renee DeHending used to crack me up. He'd always say that someone, you know, has so-and-so had an incurable mental disease and that you didn't see something, but they've never seen anything. To me, that's a mental disease. Yeah.

Yeah. A person has some kind of mental issues that, I don't know. what they think they're being. Exactly. And that's pretty natural to go through it, Philip. I mean, I went through the same thing to where, I mean, you sit there and you go back over your encounter and you're like, God, did that really happen? Did I really see what I saw? Yeah, you question yourself all the time.

And it's because, you know, we grew up not having that in our, you're not being taught anything like that. It's not in our frame of reference. So, you know, you kind of scratch your head and you say, what the hell? You know, did I really see that? Was that really there? How could that be? I don't know anything about that. Yeah.

Exactly. Well, you have to keep in touch with us. Let us know if you see anything else out there. I most certainly will. I most certainly will. Ohio is definitely a hotbed. It is. It has been.

It has been. I'm going to definitely, because I'm trying to get more and more into the groups, you know, and everything like that. You know, I just don't want to be associated with certain groups that tell you if things don't happen. so, you know, it's... I don't blame you. I have a tendency, as, you know, being younger, of course,

I have a tendency to treat everything like it's the Wild West a little bit, you know. But, you know, it's... The thing I like to reassure people the most is, especially if I feel someone's had a real true sighting, that, you know, it's okay, you know. If it's a real true sighting, you know, you saw what you saw. I've seen it. You know, I've heard it.

You know, it'll... You aren't crazy. Trust me. We have a group. We meet every Wednesday. You know. My name is Philip Xenia Sasquatch. Hi, Philip.

That's awesome. All of us that have seen these things, you know, to talk to each other and, you know, compare. I can't think of a case where I've got an account a couple days ago that's one of the best that I've been, of the best that I've been's identity secret, but I can't wait to read it. All right, Philopolis and we appreciate you coming on. Awesome. Gentlemen, I thank you so much for having me.

Pleasure is ours. You guys have a great evening. You too, brother. Bye-bye. Thanks. You too. Bye-bye. Thanks for joining us this week, everyone.

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