Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:270 Open Mics - Behind The Scenes

Episode Date: November 9, 2016

Duke and Woody join the show tonight. We left our mics on before our interview with Linda Godfrey on her research regarding Dogman to discuss some topics we never talk about on the air. We also discuss past encounters, and our take on what is going on the Bigfoot world.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. And he's speaking to Linda Godfrey. And she's kind of the godmother, I guess, instead of godfather of the dog man. You know, she's been looking into dog man longer than probably anyone else out there. And I remember when I first came on the Bigfoot scene, she was, a lot of people gave her crap about it. More and more people are starting to come out.

I'm just thrilled we have Linda on tonight. I want to welcome Woody to the show. Woody, thanks for being here, ma'am. Yes, man. It's always a pleasure and thin. And thanks again for having me. I too. I'm very curious on what Linda has to say.

It seems to be kind of a growing term that people were talking about. I remember when we were at the Bigfoot Convention, I talked to Ed Brown a little bit about the dog man. Something I'm not, I don't know a whole lot about, but I'm very curious about it, so I can't wait to talk to her tonight. and Duke welcome to the show man thanks for coming on hey west I was glad to be here with you brother you know I got to agree with what Woody was saying too I'm really looking forward to having a chance to shoot a couple questions by Linda too I mean she's you know like you were

saying the godmother of dog man so um you know there by virtue of the fact she's been in it so long she should have probably dug up more information on it than almost anyone so it seemed like the natural person to go to to ask questions about that sort of stuff. Yeah, I can't wait to bring her on. I can't wait to talk with her. It's kind of nice. We can just sit back, relax, chill out, talk about whatever we want to talk about. There's no rules for the show.

What did you guys think of the election? Most unpopular question ever. Most exciting election ever. Next, I'll be asking you guys as religious views. But you know, you're not supposed to talk about politics or religion. But what did you think of the election, Woody? And let's keep the swearing to a minimum. Okay.

Okay, well, I actually am very, I'm very thrilled that Donald Trump is going to be the next president. Oh, you're a racist. We got a racist on the air. Yeah, I'm a racist. I'm excited for the new changes to come. I'm tired of all the lies, the corruption, the deceitfulness that Hillary and the, And the Clintons have been getting away with for a number of years. I think it's time for a change.

Donald Trump is a very successful man. Yeah, he's made mistakes in the past, but who hasn't? But I think for this country to go forward, it's going to have to be with him and the power and not Hillary. Hillary, I think, will just, like you've heard on the news, it's going to be another eight years, excuse me, of Obama. So I'm looking forward to it. As far as everyone's talking about what a huge upset it is, to me it wasn't that big of an upset. The media played into that.

The media played into saying that he had lost all the debates. I disagree with that. I think he won majority of the debates. I'm Donald Trump, and I approve this message. That's my personal opinion. I'm probably going to offend everybody. But oh, well, I'll give you my email if you want. You can send me a hate mail letter.

Actually, just send it to West. I prefer it to go to West. That's West at Sasquatch Chronicles, send all my hate mail to him. Right. I'm sure. I'm sure I'll get it. So, no, I think we need someone new, a businessman in power. I'm really excited about someone that's going to protect all our rights as Americans,

protect the Second Amendment and the Constitution. And I think that's what we need. And I really think that Hillary was more or less turning the country apart. Everyone blames the United States, the country being divided now because of Donald Trump. And he said he was going to make history. Well, he did. He made history. It was like an election like no other.

And we probably will never see an election in something like this ever again in our lifetime. So I'm happy to be a part of it. I'm happy to see where we're going to be in five years, six years. I hope it's a positive thing. And to all the Hillary supporters, I'm sorry. I mean, you know, it is what it is. He ran a tight race. Hillary ran a tight race.

And I really, from what I can see from following the election, Donald worked harder. He worked. He worked and he worked for the people. And one thing that I respect about him, he never once said, I am going to change the country. I am going to make things great again. He says, we, we the people are going to make things great again. And that really, you know, that kind of hit home. And for me, it was a no-brainer.

What do you think, dude? Well, I have to agree with most of what you said. I think you only want two of the three debates. The one where he had like three people against them, I don't think you really won that one. So you guys can send me two-thirds as much hate mail as you want to send me. Woody. The other thing that I wanted to mention is, you know, the thing about the campaign that I found the most telling, and I think the real reason why the final result came out the way it was, is because of the viewpoints that the two sides had on the opposing candidates, and that is to say that the people on the left were really mad at Donald Trump about things he had said, and the people on the right were really mad about things that Hillary Clinton had done. And that's a huge difference. So to me, I think that had a lot to do with it.

And the other thing is that enough people have finally come around to the realization that really we're not a democracy. We never have been. We started out being a republic. And now we're just a duopoly, self-perpetuating corporatocracy, which is another way of saying fascism. If you want to go and say, well, you know, look at the Nazis. they were all right wing, horrible, you know, the fascists didn't, no, they were left wing. Look at World War II. USSR, that's the United Soviet Socialist Republic.

Nazi is a short version of the National Socialist Workers Party in Germany. Those are both socialist organizations that were running those fascist regimes. And the person that invented fascism, Benito Mussolini, said that the definition of fascism is when corporations are running the country. So really what we've got going right now is this fake duopoly, pretending to masquerading as a representative republic when really the corporations are pulling the strings on everything because they buy all the candidates. So now we finally got a chance to put somebody in there that isn't part of the insider

structure can't be bought because he's way too damn rich and isn't in there to make money. He's taking a huge pay cut to go do this job. In fact, he ponied up 100 million of his own money to go ahead and do this campaign because in how much the Republicans spent on him for the campaign to advertise for him, not one penny. And I'm really glad that they did not spend one penny on Trump. Because you know what? Trump and his followers are not beholden to the Republican Party at all.

I checked out about two minutes ago, three minutes ago, so I'm not really sure what either one of you just said. Whatever. Whatever. You know, I think with, and we'll move off politics because I'm sure the audience has had enough of politics. But I don't think Hillary would have been a great president, not necessarily for all of the obvious reasons, but because the Senate and the House went republic. So if she became president, she would have never accomplished anything unless she did it through executive order, which I think Obama's people are starting to wake up now and realize how many executive orders is this guy pulled. and no one ever questioned him on it.

And Hillary would have done, she would have had to have done the same thing in order to accomplish anything because she would have never gotten anything through the house. She would have never gotten anything through the Senate. Absolutely. She would have been just a total lame dot president the whole time she was in.

Yeah, and I think that's really the difference. And I hope, you know, who knows with Trump? To be honest with you guys, I'm sure this is a very unpopular opinion, but I really wasn't a fan of either one of them. I really didn't care too much for Hillary. I really didn't care too much for Trump. I think one is a criminal, and I think the other one has a loudmouth that doesn't stop for two seconds to think about what he's saying.

And, you know, he's got an ego the size of Texas. And maybe that works for a world leader. You know, I guess Putin's kind of the same way. Putin kind of has an ego the size of Texas. And so maybe that's a good requirement for being a president. But I think it's a lesser of two evils. And I think Trump is probably the last. lesser of two evils with regard to, you know, Clinton getting in office. Because, you know,

Clinton was just, there was too many things to where I think if she wouldn't have been Hillary Clinton, people would have called her out on a lot more things. And most people were willing to kind of look the other way. The media was kind of willing to look the other way. It's like the night of the election. I was up till, well, I know both you guys were up all night watching it just like I was. And to see John Podesta come out and tell everyone, well, we're going to wait until, the morning and everyone just go home and go to bed. I knew at that moment the election was over because they've already, they'd done the math. You could already figure it out by looking at some of the news channels.

It was already over at that point. But for her not to come out, here's people waiting until two, three o'clock in the morning. And I realize it's a big deal. She just lost a major election to a person that she probably doesn't like very much. But in the same breath, you have to come out. I mean, for nothing else than for your supporters sitting there. And yet she goes home and goes to bed and then gives the speech at 10, am and peace out, everyone. I'm out off to Saudi Arabia or wherever she's going now,

along with the rest of the celebrities that said they would leave if Trump was elected. And, you know, I'm just glad it's over with, man. This whole process has been exhausting. Yeah, particularly this time. It was really a rough go. And, you know, I mean, it was a great spectacle, but thank God it's over with. And you know, one thing to think about, too, that I thought about last night, and I'm sure Wes and Duke, you both have thought about it. is, you know, where do we go from here? And just what you said, West, earlier, was, well, I voted for the lesser of two evils. Well, and I think a lot of people in America did the same thing.

You know, not a lot of people are huge supporters of Donald Trump. A lot of people do not like Hillary, can't trust her. And I think, you know, it was kind of like, well, let's go Trump because I don't, you know, I don't like Trump, but let's go Hillary because I don't trust her. But the real question is what does what does the what does the United States? What do they do now? One of the hardest parts and I feel for Donald Trump is going to be bringing everyone back together. There's been so much emotion and heartache in this campaign and it was let's admit it. It was a dirty campaign.

This was I mean everybody's dirty laundry was thrown out there and like Trump said, it's going to go down in history. and it will. But the scary part is, is, you know, we voted, a lot of the people voted for Donald Trump

and they don't really like him a lot of them, but it was lesser of two evils and how do you reunite these two, when it's so, when it's so split, in the United States is so split, how do you bring the American people

back together? And that's going to be the real challenge. True, but I mean, that, in a way, that's the same challenge that Obama was facing. And, you know, where did we end up after eight years?

The country's more divided than it was when we've started. Did you guys see all the protests going on? Here's from downtown Portland. They're protesting in downtown Portland, not my president. And they have this whole, they have this whole crowd in downtown Portland blocking the streets, shutting down trimet, shutting down all of the transportation in the city, because these guys want to go through and scream, not my president. And if you actually watch this, you can't tell obviously it's a radio show but if you watch the video

one of the guys walks up and spits right on the camera. Camera man has to wipe off his camera because he spit on his camera. It's like really? Is this really what we're doing? I mean you know, I mean, the election's over with. You know what I mean? It's like, what are you open to a call? I almost want to grab

a mic and a camera. We should do that Woody. I should go down there. And go down there and start asking questions. That's genius. Take me with. Yeah, because you know, I don't understand what they're trying to accomplish at this point. Trying to make a bunch of noise and be whiner is what it seems like to me. It's like a five-year-old have thrown a fit because they didn't get a popsicle.

Well, a lot of it, a lot of it too is, is, do the, and they're all young people. They're all, it's, it's college kids, right? I mean, it's kids in college, PCC and all that stuff down there. Well, and there is, there is, there's hundreds and hundreds of kids in downtown Portland protesting right now. And, you know, me, I just, I feel like I want to go down there and say, get your ass back in school. Don't be dumb, you know. I bet if you walked up to those, Wes, I bet if you walked up to those students and you said, give me five reasons why you think Hillary should be president,

give me five reasons why Donald Trump shouldn't be president. I bet they couldn't answer either one of five. Of course. I mean, they're basically just doing, they're doing it based on what they've heard. I know when I was that age, I had really no clue what was going on in politics. I highly, I mean, I know they're smarter people out there than me for sure. But, you know, at that. You're looking at one.

Yeah. Hey, Duke, you look good. Anyways, you know, and that's... No, honest, I'm a little bit older than you guys are. And when I was in my 20s, I was just as idealistic and unwise as a lot of them tend to be. And it's just a consequence of being that age. You haven't been around long enough to see this kind of underhanded shit. stuff and to get disenfranchised enough to start really distrusting people yet.

So when somebody comes along and offers a utopia and says, let's all work together and we can achieve this wonderful dream, I mean, they're all idealistic, man. They want to jump in with both feet and go, hell yeah, I'm behind that. Let's do it. And they don't realize they're being taken advantage of. Well, plus they get out of class at the same time. And that's, yeah. Let's be honest about the whole thing.

They're out of class. and again, send my hate mail to Wes at saskwatch Chronicles.com, and he'll be happy to answer all those questions. But yeah, I think it's actually an attention thing too, myself. I think it's, I'm out of class. I'm getting attention. And, you know, mom and dad are going to be proud of me for standing up for what I believe. They don't even know what they believe at this point.

That's my honest opinion. Well, yeah, and you're right, Woody. I mean, the beauty of this new show is that we can kind of talk about some of these new things coming out. And I hope people find it interesting. Maybe they don't. They're probably burned out on politics. Not like we'll discuss politics in every show. But it's kind of nice to talk about it from time to time and just get a feel for what's going on out there. I've had a lot of people from the UK contact me and ask me what my feeling on Trump being elected is. And they're asking the wrong guy. I mean, I really think it's irrelevant who the president is. They can do a little

bit of things to make some things better. But I think for the most part, it really at the end of it's kind of irrelevant. The president doesn't hold as much power as everyone thinks that they do. It's like I said a moment ago. If Hillary would become president, she would have accomplished nothing. Absolutely nothing. And she would have been the leader of the free world. She had been able to accomplish zero.

0.0. Well, I kind of disagree with you a little bit on that, West, because, oh, your mic's off. Sorry about that. So Linda Godfrey is coming up at the top of the hour. and I'm really looking forward. She's got a new book called Monsters Among Us. I'm just joking. I'm going to go ahead.

I'm over here trying to not bust out. I hate you. I got this board where I can control everyone's mic and everyone's sound. It's, I feel like Hitler. No, I agree. I agree with what you're saying as far as the president, it doesn't have as much control as everyone thinks they do. But in the instance with Donald Trump being into power,

he's not in bed with all the internationally with Saudi Arabia. He's not fed money by Saudi Arabia. So there is going to be somewhat of a change to where he can make more decisions and have a little more power than Hillary did. She was tied and bound by money. Yeah, I'll agree with that. She's cutting deals on the side as Secretary of State. She's definitely cutting deals on the side. She didn't make her millions as sitting by Bill Clinton, trust me.

No, one thing I've been kind of curious about, and I don't know if you guys know any more about it than I do, is all these ads that are popping up on all the Facebook Bigfoot groups for Don Peak Wilderness Adventures. Do you guys know anything about Don Peak? It's like he just kind of came out of left field all of a sudden and started having this big presence all over the place. I don't know anything about him. I know he's been posting in Sasquatch Chronicles. I guess I don't really feel one way or another about him. I mean, it seems like he's gathering people to, if you go to Sasquatch Chronicle fans on the Facebook page,

I know he's been posting in there. He's been posting this person's in charge of Kentucky. This person's in charge of Maine. This person's in charge of whatever. But I don't really have anything against him. I don't either. I was just doing some research on the guy. And, you know, it seems like he does have some detractors out there who are not at all confident that he's being straight up.

But there's other people that are, you know, pretty much 100% on the side. So at this point, not having enough actual good information to rely on. I sort of don't have an opinion on it either. I was just curious. And maybe some of the listeners out there when they hear this know anything they can let us know in the comment section what they think. Yeah, I don't know. I generally don't pay attention to researchers.

I know there's a lot of them that are big and for attention. I'm not saying Don Peake is, but I generally don't pay attention to researchers for the most part. unless they have something interesting to say or, and then I can go off into tangent on this, but it's the guys that, I don't even like the term researcher, to be honest with you. I hate when someone says, researcher. Call yourself an investigator. You're not researching. Researching implies that tell me something interesting.

You've been researching this for 40 plus years. Tell me something I don't know. Explain to me something about their behavior. I don't know. Explain to me something about, tell me something interesting. I know there's a guy on the website, and I won't mention his name, but, you know, everything that he was posting was drama related to the Bigfoot world. And I'm like, hey, man, there's a million other sites you can go do this at. Why are you here?

Well, I've been researching this for 40 years and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm, you know, you need to show respect for your elders and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, well, tell me something interesting then. don't post an article about how much Wes hates Will or don't post an article about how this researcher hates this researcher or tell me something interesting. It's like, give me something real. Yeah, give me something real. Give me something.

Give me the meat and potatoes of your knowledge. That's what I'm really interested in. And most of them have nothing. And that's why you don't hear a ton of researchers on this show. Like Linda Godfrey, I respect what she's done. She's been looking into this way before anyone. was ever really talking about dog man. You know, there are some researchers I absolutely respect,

but I think for the most part, it's all about drama or who hates who. And, you know, I watch these YouTube videos for satirical reasons. I could play a couple. I probably make the audience laugh. But you get some of these researchers, and it's just like, what are you talking about? You hate this guy because of what?

And you're making a video about what? And, you know, it reminds me of, you know, in school, if you acted that way in school towards another schoolmate or, you know, your mom and dad would be all over your ass about it because it's inappropriate behavior. But for some reason in the big four world, it breeds this inappropriate behavior where everyone hates everyone. Everyone's going after everyone. And I think I lack the ability to care about that sort of thing. Like I know Operation C Monkey. I know you guys kind of went off on it.

But, you know, at the end of the day, it's, and I guess for the audience, I'll explain. No need to explain. Okay. Well. Go ahead. Go ahead. Operation C. Monkey was a bunch of researchers that got together, Todd Nies and Ron Moorhead and Thomas Steenberg, a couple other researchers. They got a, it was public funding.

They went out and I think it was five grand. Wasn't it five grand? Yeah, I think it was five. Well, I don't know. It changed a couple times, so I'm not quite sure. we go. Buckle up. They get one amount of money, then it has to go up to another.

I don't know. I guess Lobster went up while they posted the GoFumme account. I'm not sure. So anyway, they, this is a bad topic for Woody. What he's about ready to go ape crazy in this joint. I got a question here now. Did they have an actual set goal on their agenda

before they started asking for money? or was it just we're going to go do recon? Goal as far as what they were hoping to accomplish? Yeah, yeah. Was there like a hotspot, a known hotspot they were going to? Was there some specific thing they were trying to accomplish? Or was it just let's tool around and see if there's Bigfoot up here? No, they just felt like that would be a good prime area for Sasquatch to be in, as far as I know.

So it was just a reconnaissance expedition, basically. Yeah, I think it was a reconnaissance expedition. I think the area they actually went to, though, has a history of sightings. I think that was the reason why they chose that area. And I don't obviously, Todd Nuss. That's a sexy version way to say it. Woody's pretty bitter. Everyone might want to go ahead and skip ahead to the first hour.

I want to have Linda Godfrey on if you want to bypass all of this. But I think they actually, it was Duke, you're right? Yeah. I think Duke's going to die. He's like, hunched over in his chair laughing. I think that they actually, it was an area that had a history of sightings and they were doing recon is what, Woody. Go ahead, go ahead. I'll turn it over to Woody.

No, no, I'm just saying that, you know, from what I heard, and I don't know the whole thing, there was some people in there that I really respect. Well, let's back up real quick. Operation C. Monkey, I'll let you talk after this. Operation C. Monkey was a. crowdfunding for a group of researchers to get on a very large boat, go up to Canada, and check out the islands and then come back. And they were going to set up trail cams. And they had originally asked for, I believe it was 2100, 2,200, something like that. And then they came back and said they needed five grand.

And I think they got over five grand for this expedition. But just, there you go, Woody. Yeah, I'm not sure. what the total dollar amount was, but one dollar is too much. But anyways, since they, since I did go to Canada, Todd, Todd did put a GoFumming account page on, on Facebook asking for help to fund this Operation C monkey. It was him and some researchers. And some of them, you know, to his credit, were very, very good researchers that, you know, I definitely respect. But the parts that I didn't understand was him going to the public and asking for all this money to go up to Canada to do it.

And there's a lot of reasons why I feel that way. They're going up on a yacht. So they need money to go up on a boat or a yacht up to Canada. There's a question right there. Where did the boat come from? Did they have to rent it? I don't know for sure if it was Tosboe or if they rented one. Maybe they rented one.

I do know that they hired it sounded like they hired a captain. and which I can understand. I mean, that's a pretty long track from the Columbia River all the way up to, you know, up to Canada, up and to where they were going. I can kind of understand somebody that needs to know what they're doing has to be in charge. Right. Some of the things that I didn't agree with was it started a certain dollar amount. And if you go along and to go backwards, I don't know what the first dollar amount was. Then it went up and then it went up and went up.

And it seemed like every post that Todd did, every day it changed, Todd, more money, more money, more money, more money, more money. And Todd and I thought we're pretty good friends I mean we've we've had our differences in the past But I finally just got tired of it I was like I can't believe that this is this is what they're doing And of course Ron Moorhead was going love the debt Love Ron Moorhead everything he I mean I respect the guy I love the guy

But I just couldn't understand the amount of money That these guys were needing to go to go do what they were doing And I was pretty upset about it And I know there was a lot of other people that I talked to that were upset about it as well. And they felt that it was kind of a way to campaign more money for this. And it actually was going into their pockets. And then pretty soon you see on Facebook that these guys are reading better than I do on a boat in the middle of nowhere. Like they're on a cruise on the love boat, you know?

And I just, I wasn't happy with it. It pissed me off, to be quite honest with you. So you feel like they sort of abused their privilege asking for ever more and more money? I was at the International Bigfoot conference, and Todd up on the stage, and I'll come out and say it right now, Todd was up on the stage, and he talked about how he has two homes. He has a home down on the Columbia River. And then he has a home up at Mount Hood. Great. Well, shortly after that, there's another thing on Facebook posted. And here social media is going to destroy everybody, but he posted it. He said, oh, I got all my bills paid off. I'm no longer in debt. Well, good for you. Most of his Americans do, and I have debt. and you're asking money from people so you can go on your loveboat cruise, you know? So, and eventually, so they went up to Canada and I guess all they found was bearer. I mean, you probably know as much as I do. I know Duke.

They found bear tracks, took some pictures, and said, oh, yeah, this could be a good spot. Let's do it again next year. Well, sure you're going to do it again next year. I can hear anything about any really good money out at all from the whole thing. Yeah, nothing, nothing. They had pictures of bears and said, oh, yeah, well, we'll, we'll. do this good next year, you know? And it really kind of burnt my ass and I made some enemies and people in front of me and stuff. But, you know, let's be real, man. If you have some evidence and

you have something good and you need some money to get somewhere to do something, I'm one of the first guys that donate to that. But to be ripped off and to be ripped off and pointed in the wrong direction and thinking you have some sort of evidence or you put that many of researchers together and you come back with nothing, give me a break. Give me a freaking break. Give me a freaking break. The other thing is this isn't like the first time something along these lines has happened. You know, look at the Falcon Project where they got all that tons of money piled up to make their little autonomous floaty to fly around and do infrared pictures and everything else. And then the guy took the money and absconded with it and they got nothing for it. Yeah, where do the money go?

Yeah. Where does the money end up? I bet they're eating better than I ain't. You or I are tonight. Oh, yeah. Well, if they're eating anything, they're eating better than me. but that's not the point. I think it sounds like sour grapes.

I feel my honest opinion. I think that these guys, they went out, and no one put a gun to anyone's head to have them donate to anything. I don't remember them putting a gun to anyone's head to donate. And, you know, the only thing I would agree with is it would have been better. I probably, I didn't donate, but I probably would have if they would have gone to the area and came back and said, hey, listen, guys, we got this, this, this, this, and this.

Here's what we want to do. Come back with a real plan on what you want to do and how you're going to accomplish it. And I think because these Bigfoot celebrities or whatever you call them, they can go on there and say, well, I need five grand, you know, blah, blah, blah. And then they get it. A lot of people get upset by that. But I didn't donate anything for those guys to do Operation C Monkey. I had a feeling they were going to come back with Bear.

But, you know, it's always worth a try. Why not try? You know, when we wanted to go to the moon, we said, why not try? And so they tried it, and it didn't quite work out. But why not go right here in your backyard that's ground zero? Why do we have to get on the loveboat and cruise down the Pacific Ocean up to Canada? And eat lobster and crab the whole way up and then post it on Facebook. And why?

Why, not only that, but why, you know what, here's the other thing. And I'm not going to, I'm not going to diss on any of those guys really, but I'm just going to point the facts out. One of them is a millionaire, one of them owns a grocery store, and the other one owns his own coffee business. They have more money than I do. Well, in a way, you sort of like the same thing as if I said, well, I want to go up and do a research project in Alaska. All you guys send me a pile of money so I can afford to fly myself and all my equipment up there and be. there for a week or something. Well, hell's bells, dude, all I have to do is walk four miles out of town and there's plenty

of big foot right there. Why the hell do I need all this money to go somewhere else? It's called a vacation, Duke. Yeah, that's exactly it. That's the point I'm making. It kind of doesn't seem like reasonable or logical to do something like that. I don't think it's a vacation. I think it was more of an adventure than a vacation.

Slash vacation. But, you know, like I said, I don't. think, I mean, listen, these guys went online. They said, we need X amount of dollars. Here's what we're planning to do. And they got the money. And so you can't really hold it against them for taking the money and going and trying. You know, if they would have came back with one on video or they would have came back with major evidence,

everyone would have been calling these guys geniuses. But the fact that they didn't, they just came back with Bear, which you could probably, I would have put my money on before they left. I think that it's irrelevant what they came back with because they at least put forth the effort to go out and look. They at least put forth the effort. And you know, listen, five grand is five grand. That's a lot of money. And I don't know that.

I'm sure those guys could have came up with five grand or their own money. But it's funner to spend other people's money. I don't know. Yeah. No, I... Quit trying to sugarcoat the whole thing, man. It is what it is. Well, you know, the other thing that ties in with all this stuff that we're talking about right here is money.

Follow the money trail. It seems like the people that are the big celebrities in the community always have something that they're trying to sell. And, you know, if you talk about this Operation C-Monkey thing, we're talking about money. If you talk about the Don Peek, again, it's a money thing. You know, any researcher can come out of left field, not be known, all of a sudden make it. name for himself, have everybody paying attention to him for a few months, fine, that happens all the time. When you come out of left field and you've got a pile of money and you're trying to hire researchers in every state and in other countries and you're footing the bill for him, obviously

the question that comes to mind is who's paying for this and what's their agenda. And I don't know anything about that. I don't know what money he has or what who he's hiring or what. Yeah, I guess I lack the ability to care. I really don't care. I'm starting to go fund me page. It's called Operation Flybird. We will be flying over Yaclo Mountain. I'll need some donations for that. But it's in my own backyard.

I wouldn't need much money. Sour grapes. I'm telling you, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I really don't. I think, again, they put the thing out there as for the funds. They got the funds. Who cares? If you're not spending your own money, who cares what they're doing with it?

if they want to go out, you know, and they were going on a... If I donated, that would have been my money. Well, you know, and that's a different story, though, and you can hold them accountable. You know, if someone donated, you can hold them accountable to it. But, you know, I'm willing to hold them accountable to it because I didn't donate. And, but I thought it was a good, I mean, honestly, I thought it was a cool idea. I just wish they would have gone to the area and come, and I see your point, Woody, about going up to, you places that are close to where you're at.

But in the same breath, I don't know. I don't have any. I don't have the same breath. But anyway, um, I guess I'm not so hooked up on it. It doesn't bother me as much. Uh,

they had a cool idea. They went and got public funding for it. They tried it. And they came back with pictures. Here's the right way to go about dude something. I'll cut you off. Here's the right way to go about doing something like that. Let's say us three, me, you and Duke.

Duke Wes and I We decide to go somewhere We think there's somewhere That may Possibility May have the possibility You have on a Sasquatchen Let's go check it out

Let's get some intel Let's check it out See what's up there Find some evidence Come back to the people And say hey look This is what we got in that area And in that

And this is why we want to go back In that area But to go back in that area We need A, B, C, D, and E Can you help us get there And get the right equipment help help the right people to get there because this is important. No, they didn't do that. They did it completely the wrong way. Oh, I don't disagree with you. I think there was definitely some

showmanship going on. You know, hey, listen, we're going to get on a yacht. We're going to, you know, I know Todd has his picture as far as National Geographic photoshopped on his on his Facebook page. But even that doesn't really bother me. I mean, I think there was some showmanship on it. Like, we're the big bad researchers going out there. But again, I mean, listen, they, tried. They failed, but they tried. And I have a hard time faulting someone for trying. You know, I... Absolutely. I'm always going to give people more credit for actually getting out there and trying, even if they do fail. Because they're, you know, at least they're doing something. There's plenty of armchair experts that are sitting back doing nothing and complaining about everybody that's out there doing something. So, you know, I don't agree with that either.

Woody's already left. He's on his way to go put sugar in Todd Nise's gas tank. So it's just you and me, Duke. Let's say this. I could have downsized the boat. I could have downsized the cost. I could have got a smaller boat. I didn't have, we wouldn't have had to take what we'd take up there. It could have been a one or two day expedition.

Instead, they made it in this extravagant, Gilligan's Island. Let's go have fun on our vacation type thing. That I don't agree with. I feel like the people that donated to that got taken advantage of. There was a much easier way to easier and cheaper way to do it. I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me.

And I'll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will have Mexico pay for that wall. You're getting grumpy in your old age. You don't have to wait to be old to get grumpy. Go ahead, Woody. That's all I'm saying, man. Here's a thing.

You don't have to be old to be grumpy. Here's a thing, you guys, and everybody, and everybody that's listening is I you know I really I like Todd I like all the guys that went on there I really like Ron Moorhead I just have a problem with the amount of money that they spent the amount of money that kept changing yeah and I just feel like there was a more affordable way to go and um do research to sense they're researchers and I just feel there was a better way to do it and I feel like the way that they did it you know was almost kind of an insult you know they're posting pictures on Facebook on social media you know with them eating lobster and crab and did it having a good time. I'm not saying you can't have a good time because you should. That's part of that's part of the fun of going out and doing something you enjoy and researching, you know, Sasquatch. I'm not saying don't have fun and this is completely totally serious, but you know what?

When you start kind of flaunting your stuff around and when you are asking, you have a, you have a certain amount of deadline of money or a capital of money that you want or a ceiling of money. And then all of a sudden that goes up and it's like, oh, it's like, oh, it's like, oh, shit. Okay, we got $1,000, now $2,000, now it's $5,000, whatever it is. You know what, make your mind up, you know? And for me, I always try to do things the most sensible way to start with. It's like, like I said before, let's do it affordable. Let's not ask all my good friends for a whole bunch of money so I can post on Facebook that I mean lobster.

That's going to piss me off, you know? How about, like I said, get a smaller boat. Let's cut the fuel cost down. Do we really need a captain? I don't know. Todd, you're a military guy. I mean, you're on a boat You live on a boat

You should probably be able to captain yourself Way up there, I don't know But you know what? Let's chill all the cost And get them down You know, and then I would be more likely to donate But the way they did it was Was very unprofessional

And I took insult to that And I think there's a lot of people out there That probably feel the same way Well, ultimately it's up to the people That donated the money Whether they feel that they were ripped off or not You know And I agree with Wes

If you know People want to pony up the money to give them the expedition up there, then, you know, go ahead and do it. But it would be nice, and I agree with what you were saying, Woody. You know, if it was you, me, and West, we would go and actually do a reconnaissance, and we'd find some, you know, actual evidence that there was something they're worth looking at before we presented our case and said, yeah, give us money. But that doesn't mean that that necessarily is the only approach or the right approach.

You know, everybody's got a different way of looking at this sort of thing. so although we might find it a little bit shady maybe some other people don't think that it is well i don't think of this shady i think that you know he like i said i mean i know we're beating a dead horse her but i really don't i mean they wanted x amount of dollars to go up to do this investigation to see if there was something there and i know uh he's come back and said he needs three times the amount to go back a second time and i i don't know i todd just said that in passing on a show, but I don't know if that's truly how he feels. The other part of this, too, you have to think about is, I took a lot of crap on this because

people were saying, oh, call them out, call them out, call them out, call them out. And I'm like, call who out? Call who out about what? And the thing with, they're like, oh, you're just afraid you're not going to be invited to beachfoot. I could care less if I'm invited to Beachfoot or not. I could care less. Do you have a good time there?

Yeah. But is it going to make or break what I'm going to say? No, it doesn't. but I know it did bother some people and, you know, I guess my advice is get over yourself. I mean, I don't really put an opinion on one way or the other. I think it's kind of bizarre, but, you know, you got so many mercurial, weird, egotistical personalities in the Bigfoot community that this kind of stuff just pops up all the time. So there's no avoiding it.

And it's not necessarily a rational decision that, well, I'm going to go out and take advantage. of people. It just, you know, weird things happen and sometimes it looks different from the outside than maybe what it is on the inside. You know, I was going to tell you, should we talk about the brothers encounter since this is a free open new show and we can just chat? Or should I leave that alone, Duke? Oh, please help us, brothers? Yeah. Yeah, we should probably mention that. You don't like so? Would? No, go ahead. Do you think I should? I mean, I can cut this part out if you I don't think I should. It's your show.

Come on, guy. What's your show? Give me a heads up. What do you think? He's up. Should I talk about or not? Yeah. Well, maybe we should move on to something else.

No, go ahead. Maybe you want to save that one for the second episode. So you guys tell me what you think about this. I'll give you the, I'll give you guys the exclusive. I need some exclusive music here. I'll give you the exclusive on what happened. So I had these two brothers contact me. Did I tell you the story, Woody?

You have to tell me what you think afterwards. Here it comes. This guy's fired up tonight. Get ready. So I had these two brothers on, right? And it was the episode We Need Help. Very cool guys. Very nice, absolutely great guys.

Two brothers. And they were having trouble around this property. And they were having very aggressive type encounters. And they sent me some pretty cool. Cool. Pictures of these things, what appears to be, it looks like an ape standing in the bush, probably 40 feet away from where he took the picture. I mean, just black, not really a blob squatch, better than a blob squash, but you can't see too many details, but it's just this black figure standing in the brush. Looking at him, so they sent me some pretty good evidence. And the story, what happened was,

is they had moved into this home and started noticing activity. No one had lived. in this area or in this home for several years. So one brother moves in and he's probably, I don't know, probably two miles from where his brother, his brother bought a home about two miles away. It's out in the middle of nowhere. And they buy this home. Now, when I first talked to the brothers, it was very interesting to talk to with them because they had mentioned this woman, homeless woman. And I regret never asking any questions about it, but I just passed it off as a homeless woman. And so the brothers were getting, it was becoming more and more aggressive. These things were getting more and more aggressive with these guys. I think as most of the members

know that have listened to the show, they had one chased them through the garage. It had actually peed in the garage as it was chasing this kid. He goes inside the home. They were having it come up to the window at night, to his daughter's window. I think his daughter's like eight years old. And it was coming up to the window at night, tapping on the window. And he'd catch it several times. He'd turn on the light and catch it, and it would stand up and walk back into the woodline. So to cut a long story really, really, really short, they were having major, major, major, aggressive problems with these things. It got to the point to where his wife and his child moved out of the home. And their brothers were putting together a plan, kind of like Operation

C Monkey, where they were going to, what he's Mike still on? I got to mute him out if he's going to laugh. But they had put together, on search note, they put together a plan to kill one of these things. And they were going to, the problem with killing one of these things, one of the brothers told me, is they would get up on the roof at night.

He would hear what sounded like a five or six hundred pound man run across his roof at night, almost on a nightly basis. I mean, they were having major, major, major problems. And he was sending me audio. I mean, you'd hear these things roar and scream and whoop and they had just set out their audio recorders to capture it. So they come up with this plan to kill one of these things.

Well, every time I talk to these brothers, I could tell they hadn't slept almost every time. I could tell you that these guys hadn't slept in two or three days. They were high stress and they were under major duress every time I talked to them. They would talk about where do we shoot them, how do we kill them, on and on and on and on. one of the brothers contacted a spirit medium. Here's where the story starts to get really weird. Left turn. Yeah, here's where it takes a huge left turn.

So one of the brothers contacts a spirit medium. And this lady comes out to the property. And when she walks out to the property, as she's walking up the steps, she collapsed. And one of the brothers thought she was having a heart attack. He's telling his other brother, hey, call 911. She's having a heart attack. She tells him, no, I'm not having a heart attack. I just, I'm overwhelmed with the amount of entities.

Now, these are the brothers telling me the story. She was overwhelmed by the amount of entities. And I said, are you sure she used that term entity? And he goes, yeah, that's exactly what she said. And he had no clue what that meant. He was like, well, what does that mean? And so I said, that's interesting she used that term. And so what happened next?

He said, they put her in a chair and she's holding her chest. And she said, I'm just overwhelmed by the amount of entities. And one of the brothers was kind of like Woody. He's kind of a wise ass. He goes, well, what do you mean? He haven't even seen one yet. And she goes, no, there's two over there. And, you know, they both look over, and there's two of them standing there, and the creature's actually ducked down.

So they bring her inside. And prior to this, remind me to come back to the homeless woman, because that's a really weird part of the story. Yeah. So they bring her inside. And she says to them, what we need to do is pray. And so now neither one of these guys are religious by any means. I know that for a fact, just from talking to them. I can tell you that for a fact.

I don't think either one of these brothers have ever cracked open a Bible in their life. And I'm not bagging them by saying that. I'm just saying they're not the religious type by any means. So they start talking to her, and they start asking her about her background. You know, how the heck did you get into Bigfoot? How do you get into a dogman? She says to them that she grew up as a witch. And what she did was is she would cast out demons.

Or she messed with demons when she was younger. And she'd do a lot of witchcraft. And she claimed she knew demons by first name. And so the brothers are like, okay. And one of the brothers had told me, because I don't really buy into the demon thing, but okay. So the sent in there talking to her, and she says, you know, I know. demons by first name. Now I've stepped away from the witchcraft side of it and I actually found Christianity and I'm doing this now for the Lord and I do exorcisms. I go out to people's homes

that are having poltergeist problems and I cleanse the home. And the brother's like, great, what does it have to do with us? We got a Sasquatch problem. So she says what we need to is pray. So they sit around, they pray and then she goes, let's step outside. So they step outside. she walks them to the edge of her property line. And she says, what you need to do is command them in the name of Jesus Christ not to come across the property line. They're not welcome here anymore. And don't come on my property anymore. They're not welcome.

We want nothing to do with you on and on and on. So the brothers do that. And so when one of the brothers called me, he goes, West, it's the strangest thing. They won't come up to house anymore. Now, here's the interesting part. When I talked to the brothers originally, I told you. they were distressed, hadn't slept in a while. They were under major stress every time I talked to them.

This was the first time I ever talked to these guys where they sound completely relaxed. And I said, what do you mean they won't come up to the property anymore? And he says, they won't, they'll come to the edge of the property, they'll scream, they'll roar, they're still up on the ridge line where they've always been, and they'll knock down trees, and they'll, you know, throughout the night, it sounds like there's 20 lions up there fighting. but they will not come on the property anymore. He said they will not come up to my daughter's window anymore.

So I don't know if it's coincidence or if there's something to this. But the story gets a little stranger. So they ran into this homeless woman. And a couple times they brought it up to me before this spirit medium showed up. They kind of ran it past me. And looking back now, I wish I would have asked questions about this homeless woman, but I never did because I just thought, oh, it's a homeless woman. And I said, well, the last time I talked to him, I said, describe this homeless woman to me.

And he goes, Wes, it's not what you think. And I said, well, just describe her to me. And he said, she's about 6'5. She's built like a Sasquatch. She's not a Sasquatch. She's very much human-looking. She's white. She's probably in her late 60s.

And she wears clothes that are almost too small for her, almost like she stole the clothes. and he said the other part of this woman that's interesting is she wears white shoes and I said well what's interesting about that and he said well she wears white shoes but they're about four sizes too big they look like clown shoes and he goes what she would do is she would walk from the edge of the national forest cross our property and head up to the ridge line we saw her do it many times we'd almost see her on a daily basis and I said we're talking about a physical woman right And he said, well, I thought so until this happened. So before the Spirit Medium shows up, here comes this woman one night.

It's like 7 o'clock at night. Sun's starting to set. And she's walking up there. And he goes, Wes, we had, and I think he even sent me the audio of it. And it sounds like Sasquatch is, I mean, it sounds like they're going off in the background. But here comes this woman. She steps out of the forest, starts crossing across her property, and she's heading straight for that ridge line where all this noise is going on.

And one of the brothers told me, he goes, man, if you, he goes, we heard trees being knocked down. He goes, it sounded like 20 lions up there roaring and just fighting. And he goes, so I tried to stop her. I ran out there and said, listen. And he goes, I've tried to stop her in the past, but she never stopped. He goes, I wanted to know her name. I want to know if she needed food.

I want to know if she needed help. If there was possibly family looking for her. He goes, we decided it was some crazy old woman. So she heads up to the ridge line. And the brothers are sitting there and they're like, she's dead. You know, they're like, hey, we tried to stop her. We tried to warn her, but she's dead. So the brothers go to bed for the night.

And the next morning they get up, I think it was Saturday morning, and they're sitting in their garage. It's about 7 o'clock in the morning. Garage door is open. Both brothers are sitting there. Pretty soon here comes this woman walking down from the ridge line. And so one of the brothers, the one I spoke to, ran out to stop her. And he's like, stop, stop, stop, stop. Well, she wouldn't stop.

She just kept walking, almost like he wasn't there. And one of the, he told me, he goes, what I said to her was, I command you to stop. And he goes, Wes, I don't know why I said that. He goes, I don't talk to women that way. But I use the term, I command you to stop. And she stopped. And she turned. And he said, when she turned and looked at me, she gave me the most evil, sinister smile.

It was pure evil. And then she was gone. And I said, what do you mean she was gone? Like she ran into the forest. He goes, no, she was just gone. She was there one minute and she was gone, the next. And I had talked to both brothers and the other brother said, yeah, I was sitting about 30 feet away, 40 feet away. And she just vanished.

He goes, I was so confused by it because we always assumed it was a flesh and blood woman. And she just vanished in thin air. And he goes, I was watching the whole thing from about 40 feet away. And so they contact the spirit medium. Is this story getting too weird? No. No, I'll keep going. So they contact the spirit medium and they start asking her about this woman.

And the spirit medium says it's not a woman. It's a demon. It's an entity. And the entity is presenting itself as a woman, but it's not a woman. And she has control over these creatures. Well, I start asking her, what do you mean? You have control over these creatures. She said that they're coming out of the earth.

That's why more and more people are seeing Sasquatch. That's why more and more people are seeing dogmen and their empty vessels. And it's just a normal animal. That's why 90% of the reports you get are just nothing more than just a normal wild animal. She said only when they're possessed by a demon. Again, going back to empty vessels. And neither one of the brothers knew what empty vessel meant. And I kind of had to clarify with them what the empty vessel thing meant.

But she said that only when they're possessed can they do extraordinary things. And the way she explained it to them was, you know, when a person is possessed by a demon, their facial structure will change. She's had grown men's wet blood. They'll have the strength of 20 men. They'll speak Samarian. And she's actually done exorcisms where the facial structure, of someone changes while they're being possessed. And they will do weird things.

She was in a situation one time where the spirit refused to talk to her verbally and started mind speaking to her while she's trying to perform the exorcism. And she said that these creatures do the same thing, but only when they're possessed can they perform these weird... She said everyone in the Bigfoot world's right. No one's really wrong. Everyone's kind of right. these ordinary things that you see them do.

And one of the brothers said, Wes, if that's the last time we talk, that's fine. But I got to get this off my chest. He said, we were sitting just outside the garage in our chairs, facing the National Forest. And one of these creatures climbed up a tree, turned into the predator. And I said, Predator, what do you mean by Predator? And he goes, ever seen the Predator movie? And I said, yeah, he goes, it didn't quite vanish, but it was pretty close. You could still see through it.

Jumps out of the tree, lands, and then goes back to just a flesh and blood. And these brothers were all for the same just being a monkey in the woods. Originally, when I very first talked to them, they said, oh, we got these monkeys out here causing problems. And the more and more they got involved with it, the more and more they started realizing there's more to the story than just a simple monkey. The other part of the story that gets interesting is the military showed up on their property. and I said, well, how do you know the military shut up on your property? And he goes, we had a drone crash in our backyard.

I said, really? How big was a drone? He goes, I don't know. It was about 20 feet long, probably a windspan to match. So it was an airplane that fell in the freaking backyard. Basically just in there. And he goes, it was a drone. It had a camera on it.

It was a drone. He said four guys showed up in gilly suits and within four minutes that drone was gone. And he said, the other interesting part is they kind of sit up on a ridge looking down into the forest. And he said at night, these guys in gilly suits will use a blue laser. And I said, well, what do you mean blue laser?

And he goes, well, we see him using these blue lasers out in the forest. And one night we were out there. And he goes, I swear one of the creatures stepped out in the open looking right at the blue laser. And he goes, but when the laser went off, we couldn't see anything anymore because it was kind of down in the woodline. But he goes, and I don't know what any of that's about, but I just think it's interesting. Normally, I would be like, I don't know about this story. But I'm telling you, after talking to these guys, they were absolutely terrified, absolutely sleep exhausted. They were stressed out.

And it's like talking to two completely different people now. I can tell they're relaxed. I can tell they're not stressed out. and I don't know what to make of that. And he contacted me again and didn't really want to come on the show. But he said, hey, if people are having problems with this, you know, here's what had worked for us. He said, because we tried lights.

We tried lighting the place up. We tried putting up cameras. It didn't stop them. They could care less. They would walk right out in the open. And it's interesting. The other part that's interesting about this, I've mentioned this to a few researchers,

assuming they're going to freak out and say, well, come on, you've fallen off your rocker. Not one researcher has said that. Every researcher I brought this up to said, yeah, she's probably right. And that's the other part that throws me for a loop. Now, I'm not saying that's what Sasquatch is. I want to get that on the table really quick. I'm just saying this is a very interesting anecdotal story that I think holds a little bit of weight just from my relationship with these guys. Well, I agree with you.

You know, actually, as you well know, I've been researching this for a hell of a long time. And when you first shared this story with me, I'm sure that I was one of the people you're referencing that, yeah, I've shared this with some researchers. And they all kind of said, yeah, well, I can see how that could be happening. Well, that ties in with a bunch of stuff that I found out independently and makes good sense with it. I mean, down to the little weird details, like certain tribes saying that they were soulless. They're not humans. They're not animals. They're somewhere in between.

They don't have the sort of self-awareness that we do. But on the other hand, they're not completely dumb like an animal. They're somewhere in between. And then you also have the whole thing with the aliens. And how many people have heard them say things about containers and calling humans. and calling humans containers. And, you know, is this, in fact, the same thing going on there, where these, you know, these little gray bodies are just automata somehow created for them

these demons to possess, and they can do the same thing with a big foot, you know. And from a biblical standpoint, a demon can pretty much possess anything unless it's protected by God, which stops him from being able to do it. On the other hand, if you're trying to possess something that's an inanimate object or an animal, it doesn't have a soul for you to fight with. So it's a no effort. You can automatically possess it, basically, if you want to look at it from that standpoint.

So again, if these things were, you know, big, powerful, can see in the dark, super fast, da-da-da-da-da. They got all these physical attributes that obviously these things, if they're demons, would like to have. And if it doesn't have a soul to fight with, makes it so easy for them to go ahead and possess it and take it over, you know, honestly makes me think about some of the stories

that I've heard about when to go in guggu gawees and stuff and their whole behavior. And, you know, like things with the Bigfoot's having, suddenly all of a sudden their eyes will turn red and start glowing. What the hell is that all about? You can't physically do that. Yeah. Hey, look, the thing is, is I don't think anybody really knows. And I don't quote myself as an expert, but I remember saying back, Wes, you and I had a conversation way back in 2012.

And one of the comments that I made way back then was, I think they're demonic. They move in certain ways that I've never seen before due to our experience. And even from that, until to this day, I still can't explain exactly what happened, the way they moved, the way they looked. It was just unnatural. It wasn't part of this earth. Whether it be aliens or whether it be demonic, I'm not quite. quite sure, but I know that it, to me, I hate to say this, but I really kind of don't believe it's a real flesh and blood creature. And when you start talking, you start getting into the

demonic terms of it and things, we're taking souls. And it almost makes me want to just kind of check out. I don't want anything to do with that. I've had experiences in my, in my past life that I've experienced a couple things like that. And maybe one day on another show, we'll talk about it, but I'm not going to talk about it tonight. It's creepy, and I personally really don't like it. I totally agree with you, and that's one of the problems that me and Wes are having with this whole thing. Neither one of us is willing to buy into it at this point,

because it's an interesting notion, and it does fit a lot of the data that we get, but on the other hand, it's like it's really hard to accept, and we really don't want to believe that's what's going on. We, you know, we're flesh and blood, on real reality non-woo-we-we-tech guys. So for either one of us to buy into this whole thing is like epically difficult and we're going to have to see a hell of a lot of evidence before either one of us is willing to sign off

and say, yeah, this is what I believe it is. Yeah, but what evidence do you collect? Yeah. And that's a problem. What evidence is there other than what you've seen? Because it's one of those things where when something happens to you, you don't, you know, you can't just whip out a cell phone or a camera and be like, oh, boom, I got it. And I get that.

I get that with the whole big foot thing, Sasquatch thing, is when something happens, it happens as a split second, and you don't carry a camera around you at all times. And so it's kind of one of those senses that's really hard to prove until it happens to you. And I understand where those brothers are coming from.

It's a very, it's a fascinating story. And I'm just glad not to be one of those brothers. Yeah, they're tough guys, that's for sure. You know, I got another one for you guys.

And, you know, some of this stuff is phone calls. behind the scenes that the audience never gets to hear. But I had another guy. He was an ex-Army Ranger. Here's where it gets interesting. Actually, I don't know he was an army. He was special forces. He got out of Iraq and he told me, he goes, Wes, I just had to get out of, I had to get away from people. I was going nuts. I'm sure it was PTSD, but I just had to get away from people. And so I, when I got out of the military, he said, you know, I had my full retirement, I had everything, and I really didn't have to work. And so friends of his had a cabin up in Snohomish, Washington.

And so he goes up to this cabin, has no running water, and it has no electricity. It's literally in the middle of freaking nowhere. And so he's in this cabin, and he didn't buy into Bigfoot prior to this. So he goes up to in this cabin, and what's interesting is he started noticing the creatures around this cabin. He said they would come around He would hear him at night He's pretty sure they walked around the cabin at night And he would even see him during the day

He'd go down and fish during the day He goes, I absolutely loved it up there He goes, it was total peace for me He would run into them while he was fishing He would see them And so he was intrigued by it He was like, wow, I've never seen anything like this before And he goes, you know they laugh, right?

And I go, well, what do you mean they laugh? And he said, well, he goes, I'm sitting in the cabin one night sun's already set, put my head down, and it's dead silent in the cabin. And pretty soon I hear Jabba the Hut laughing outside the cabin. And he goes, it sounded just like Jabba the hut, the ho, ho, ho. And he goes, it freaked me out. He goes, it really freaked me out.

And so he gets up, runs outside, and he doesn't see anything, closes the door, locks everything, and tries to go to sleep for the night. Well, the creatures kept coming around the cabin. I should have them on the show because it's an interesting story. So the creatures kept coming around the cabin. And he said they'd look in the windows. You know, even during the day, he'd be sitting on the couch. You'd look over, one's looking right at him.

And then it would take off running. And he said that it reminded him of a monkey is what he would put it at. Somewhere across between a human and a monkey is what he said. He said the face is human-like, but it's not human. So he did see one. He saw one then. He saw several of them. And this went on for months. And he said he had apple trees out in his backyard. He had all kinds of fruit trees. And they would come around pretty often.

And he said, but it started getting weird. And I said, what do you mean? It started getting weird. He goes, I saw one running. And then it vanished, but it didn't quite vanish. He didn't know the term cloaking. But he goes, I saw one vanish, but it didn't really vanish. And then it came back to. to flush and blood. He goes, I thought something was wrong with my eyes. He goes, I'm not a drinker. I wasn't smoking weed. He goes, I'm drug-free. But it was just odd. And he goes, I had no explanation for it. And he goes, that wasn't the only time I saw that. I actually saw that a couple times. And he goes, I have no explanation for it. And he goes, the laugh at night. And they would come around, they'd hit the house at night, they'd bang on the house. He said he could smell him through the cabin

walls. He said they just stunk when they came around. He goes, it reminded them of sulfur, which is interesting that he brings up sulfur. But he goes, yeah, brimstone. But he said it smelled like sulfur. And they just stunk when they came around. And he said he never really got a great feeling from them. It wasn't really like a relationship with them. And then one night, there were several of them around the cabin. They were banging on all the walls. They were screaming and yelling. They were roaring. And he packed up all the stuff and he left and never went back. to that cabin. But he said what he saw was very unnatural. He goes, I can't explain it. He brought up the term predator too as well. And he goes, I have no explanation for it. But I'm telling you,

they do something. He goes, it wasn't like a trickery of light. It wasn't that they were, he goes, this thing was running across a grass meadow when I saw it like vanish. And then it came back. And he goes, I have no explanation for that, none. And he didn't really want to come on the show. He just kind of wanted to get off his chest. And so it's like, what do you do with a report like that? You know, when you get these reports, it's like, where do you put that? Yeah. Well, that's the whole thing about having multiple reports. I mean, you know, let's face it, most of the information we get on these critters is from eyewitness accounts. And when you start getting a lot of eyewitness accounts that all have the same sort of details, you can start thinking maybe there's something

to that, at least, you know, for the time being until Wes left the study that one that he's that hidden in his garage, that's the best we're going to be able to do. Well, you know, and that just proves, there is, I mean, when you have multiple accounts like that, it definitely tells you that there's something, there's something out there and something's happening. Do I, again, do I believe that it is a complete flesh and blood creature? And, Duke, you hit it on the nail on the head is, until Wes has one in the garage, we don't know.

And that's what, that's what kind of drives us all I would say, I would say at this point is we're all interested and we want to find out what it is and we all would like answers. You know, in Sonomish, Washington, that's not too far from where we're out west. So it would be kind of cool to maybe if you could get that guy on the show and I'd be willing to go out there and check it out and meet with the guy. That would be something I'd be interested in doing. Yeah, and to your credit, what do you did say that were demonic after our encounter? I kind of balked it a little bit. Well, I think I probably did way back then.

And it was kind of back then and everything was so new and it was kind of a shame, shame thing to say. And I wasn't, you know, and, uh, but you know, there's so many things that come along with, uh, Sasquatch. And, and one of them is a lot of people feel that, uh, possibly aliens are involved. Some people believe that it's a, it's a demonic creature. And really none of us really know. You know, I, I would hate to, I would hate to think that it's a demonic creature. But from, from my personal experience, I'm, I'm not so quite sure that it is not. I've never seen anything move the way that these creatures or critters the way that Duke puts them.

I like that. I might have to rob that from you. But, you know, I'm not so sure myself. And that's why I keep going every day. And I keep trying to find out what the truth is. And eventually, hopefully, in our lifetime, you guys, that we will find out. Well, if nothing else at this point, we may not be able to tell you what they are. But we're getting a lot closer to being able to tell you what they're not,

which is progress. Yeah, that's true. And, you know, one of the things, I remember when I had Gary Wayne on the show, I don't know if you guys ever heard the Nephlin shows, but Gary Wayne said something to me that on that show that really stuck with me. He said, you know what's there in China,

they're in Russia, they're in Australia, they're in the United States. And, you know, he's like, they're basically on every continent, yet there's not a whole lot of, there is evidence, but there's really not proof that they technically exist. You can get track cache. You can get sounds.

You can get, you know, even some good video of them. But there's really no proof that they exist. And I remember he brought it up to me at the time. He said, do you think that this is a flesh and blood creature? And I said, absolutely. And even if you go off of the quote unquote spirit medium, she even says it's a flesh and blood creature. Right. But there is something different about them.

You know, why is it that when people go into an area, they automatically have a feeling they're being watched? Or here's another one you'll hear from these Bigfoot researchers, investigators. They will say, when I go into an area, I can tell they're here. And Woody knows what I mean? Him and I have both felt that before. Why is it you can feel that they're in the area? I can't tell you if a cougar is an area. I can't tell you if a black bear's in the area.

But why is it when I stroll into an area, I can almost tell you from the vibe in the air, if there's something nearby or not. And then that's not something I could have told you prior to my encounter, but going back into these areas, and I know some of these Bigfoot researchers will say the same thing. I've heard them all say it. Why is it when you go into an area, you get a vibe there in the area? Or when you walk into an area, you feel completely fine.

Like there's another, why is that? That's not, to me, that doesn't seem natural. And not only that. Think about the multiple reports that comes, the calls and the multiple reports that come in, that the calls that you take, West, that are saying, well, I didn't really see anything, but I know they're there. I can feel they're there.

I know they're there. And a lot of people, you know, will cast judgment saying, oh, well, this guy's just crazy. Well, I don't, I'm not so quick to judge someone like that. Because it's happened to me. Maybe I'm crazy. I don't know. But, you know, it's one of those things that hopefully we will find the answer to.

And, you know, until then, we just keep plugging away. and hoping for the best in doing our research. You know, my two cents worth on that one. It is different. Investigation, I'm sorry. I used to hunt bear a lot because I don't really care for venison. And, you know, bear will fight back if they have an opportunity to do so. They are predators on occasion.

They're not just always scavengers. And I've actually had a couple bears that were in, they were profiling for an attack. They were looking at me like I was going to be a meal. And at the time, I knew that they were doing it. and it was a scary situation, but it wasn't anything like the first and in the third time that I saw a Bigfoot. Those things literally were radiating terror. You not only knew they were there,

and you not only had the feeling that they were, you know, thinking about maybe eating you, but it was like the thing was actually radiating fear. And the creepiest thing about this situation, as I say, the first and the third time, the first one was the winding go out in the wood, the third time was one that was just sitting in a thicket pretending to be a stump. the second time when I got as close as possible to one of these things not being grabbed by it,

I didn't realize what it was until I was almost on top of it because I didn't get any kind of creepy feeling or anything out of it. It was like it could turn it off to not let me know it was there, even though it was standing right in front of me. That's why I thought it was bare until I was like right on top of it almost. A couple of my, I would say, and there's probably a lot of listeners of that out there that feel the same way. is probably the top two questions are, one, what are they? And number two, what is their agenda? I mean, do they have some sort of agenda? Are they just some sort of a predator, a spiritual predator?

And Ron Moorhead would probably love this conversation because he would tell you something that's probably, they're trapped within a dimension somewhere or something like that. But do they have some sort of agenda? I mean, it's a simple question, maybe a simple, stupid question, but what is the purpose? what is the purpose of them, you know? And it's one of those sense that kind of makes you think, hmm, I don't know. And it's one of those answers we,

maybe in our lifetime we'll never get answered, but it's definitely food for thought. I think it's interesting when they show up, the forest goes quiet. Why is the forest go quiet? Why does everything go dead silent? And why is it most people realize they're being watched when they go into an area?

And why is it that we can't get them on trail camps? I'm so sick of the argument, and I won't say who says this, but it drives me nuts every time. He says it, well, I probably shouldn't say that. The saying goes like this. Well, we're looking for a needle in the haystack, but the needle is constantly moving. Well, give me a break.

Cougars are one of the most elusive animals on the planet. Hands down, a cougar is one of the most elusive. You'll find their tracks. We have an infestation here in Washington State of Cougars. Rarely will you ever see one. A friend of mine just shot one last hunting season. It was tracking him. Yeah, I won't say his name, but it was like he's a good friend of mine for a number of years.

He's poaching? Say his name. No, he wasn't poaching. He was hunting. And he actually, he heard, one was stalking him and he actually ended up with the upper hand and took it. But, and he has pictures to prove it. So, and he never even knew it was there. He had been hunting that same place for, for days and days and days and days.

And apparently the cougar was tracking him the whole time and he caught wind of it. And he did get the upper hand because he's been hunting this since he was a little boy. but they are one of the most elusive creatures, and we still get them on trail cams too. That was a point I was going to make. Thanks for cutting me off. You're welcome. Yeah, and you're right, Woody.

I mean, we get them on trail camps, and they are hands-down one of the most elusive creatures out there. And so I struggle sometimes with, you know, why is it that we don't really get Sasquatch stumbling across trail camps? And I'm tired of the old argument about, well, it's their home. And if you had a trail cam sit up in your living room, you would know about it, right? Give me a freaking break when they're out there.

I mean, you have to go step by step and look to actually find a trail cam. And I can't see one not stumbling across one. I just can't. I think that they will stumble across a trail can, but yet they avoid them. And when people put them up on their homes, I've had people who have these things around their property. And there's one other point I want to make, but I'm not done on my soapbox. but when people put them up these trail cams up around their home,

these things avoid them like the plague. Why is that? Why is it that they avoid those trail cams? It makes no sense. We think they have a proto-language. We think they have this and that. Yet they know what a trail cam is. Give me a break.

And the interesting part, too, is when you start running into this paranormal stuff with Sasquatch, and I try and stay away from it on the show, but when you run into that paranormal stuff, generally it's what people, habituating these creatures. They will talk about the mindspeak, coincidentally in alien abductions, they talk about mindspeak, coincidentally in demonic possessions, they talk about mind speak. So maybe we're all talking about one and the same in all these subjects, but those people,

and it's always the same people. They feed them, they leave gifts for them or tributes, whatever you want to call it, and they have these strange paranormal encounters. However, when you see a guy who's out there in the forest and he's talking about um i'm using my trump what he's laughing you know how trump talks with his fingers like he does the okay sign then he that's what i'm doing across the table with what i'm doing then he does then he does then he does the downward point yeah that's what i'm doing i'm doing the downward point i'm talking like trump but the point i'm trying to make you got to blow your lips up just a time a bit but the point i'm trying to make is these people are the ones that run into the stuff. It's never the hunter that comes across one. They'll always describe it as an animal. It's

never the hiker that comes across one. It's never the camper that comes across one. They will always describe it as a wild animal. However, in these habituation sites, they start talking all this paranormal stuff. And before I was always like, yeah, you know, most of the people and most of the researchers and habitulators are crazy anyway, 90% of them are not jobs. So it's easy to pass off and go, while this guy's just nuts. However, when you get someone on the phone that you've been talking to for months and months and months and they're convinced it's a monkey and two brothers are going to shoot it. And then they do a 180 on you.

And you can tell by their behavior that, and they had actually gifted with it too. And the interesting, I'm all over the board. The interesting part about these brothers, they had left food out for them. They'd actually left out gifts for them. They set up trail camps. They set up a four trail cams surrounding this pile of food they left for these saints. Here's where it gets weird. So they set up these four trail cans.

And he goes, Wes, I'm telling you this is going to be a strange one. But I'll tell you what happened. He goes, it was the only time we ever left food for them. And the spirit medium said, don't leave anything for them because they look at it as a tribute. It's not food you're leaving for them. You're not feeding a hungry animal. You're leaving a tribute for them. Yeah, and I want you to talk about that, Duke.

But you're leaving a tribute for them. And they will leave you alone for a short period of time, but they will expect that tribute if it's not left. So he goes, we leave this food out. And he goes, it was my brother's, my dumb brother's bright idea. But we leave this food out. We set up these four trail cans surrounding this food. And he goes, I leave.

I come back an hour later. The food's gone. So he's like, okay, I either got a raccoon, I got a bear, or I got a Sasquatch. I got one of them on camera because there's no way you can step inside and grab this food without these trail cams going off. So he takes down all four trail cams. All four chill cams have four minutes of missing time. They all failed at the same time, but they all went black at the same time. And it's, I don't know if you call it missing footage, but they malfunctioned.

and the food's gone. How do you explain that? I mean, I have no, I had no explanation to give these guys. I could understand, and it's one of those things where I'd love to argue the point with them and say, no, it's flesh and blood. But the problem with that is, okay, one trail cam fails. We can all agree if trail cam can fail. Two trail cams fail.

Okay, well, it's coincidence, but maybe two trail cams failed. Three trail cams fail. Well, that's odd, but I guess four trail cams fail? Are you freaking kidding me? and I have no explanation for it. And I just think it's fascinating because she specifically said to them, these sayings are coming out of the earth. They're from within the earth.

They're coming out of the earth. And soon they're going to attack. And she mentioned Revelations. I think it says something. I was going to say, isn't there a biblical term that says something familiar to that? Yeah, it's in Revelations. Yeah, it's in revelations. Attack to people.

Yeah, and a fifth of the people would be killed by the beasts. And it's a real, there's not a lot of details on what it's explained. It's pretty vague. That's why it can easily be construed to mean that. But it's just interesting. And I thought I'd share it with you guys. I just thought it was a weird, weird story. And I'm not really sure what to make of it.

And again, these guys were not paranormal guys by any means when I first talked to them. I could tell they were stressed out like no one's business. and now they're kind of relaxed. Both brothers are relaxed. In fact, both brothers, I probably should say it's on the air, but both brothers are fighting right now because one brother wants to continuously go out and look for them. The other brother wants nothing to do with it. And the warning she left for them was... That sounds so matter.

Yeah. The warning she left for them was don't go looking for them. Don't talk about them. Because the more you look for them, the more you're going to find them. She said it's the same thing with demons. If you want to find a demon, you can find one. go get a Ouija board, go start messing around some of the occult stuff, and you will find a demon. She said it's the same thing with these things.

And again, I'm just telling this to the audience. I know they're privy to this conversation, but I don't know what to think of that, man. I really don't know what to think of that. It kind of blew my mind when I've been holding on to this for a while. I kind of felt like one of the listeners, it kind of feels good to get this off my chest. Yeah, it's actually been something that's been weighing on my mind too, Wes, so you're not the only one there. I mean, you know, some of this is really disturbing. And again, like we were talking about earlier, it's really hard to get hard evidence to substantiate or disprove

something like this being the case. All you can do is sort of, you know, sit back and just keep collecting the data that you're getting. And, you know, when it keeps actually buttressing this whole weird idea, it's creepy as hell. I, you know, I'd like to think that they're nothing with flesh and blood animals, and for the most part, they probably are. Is it possible for them to be possessed? Well, if you believe in demons, it's possible for pretty much anything to be possessed. So, yes, of course. They could also be possessed.

You know, but that just opens up such a can of really creepy worms. And any of the other thing that you just mentioned with, well, in the end times, the animals are supposed to attack people and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Well, you know, at the same time that supposedly we're, you know, in the end times or whatever, getting near that right now. And I have over the last few years been fighting more and more evidence of them closer to civilization. So what to make of that? I mean, I'll go out in the middle of nowhere where five, ten years ago I would expect to find them. There's none around.

I go four or five miles from town. There's evidence all over the place. Well, what hell's up with that? There isn't that much dumpster to dive in. Yeah, and the other thing, too, regarding what you're saying, Duke, that's the other thing I've noticed is they live on the edge of civilization, not so much out in the middle of nowhere, but on the edge of civilization. Why is that?

And, you know, Linda Godfrey is going to be coming up. But one of the things we're going to be talking about the dog man, why is it when everyone runs into the dog man? They say it's evil. There was something evil about it. And when did, you know, for me, I, I, I think about this and I'm like, Jesus, am I really buying into an upright running around canine? But I've talked to so many witnesses now to where it's like, yeah, I do.

I think it's out there. And I think people run into it. And what it is, I couldn't tell you. I don't know. But it's just strange to, especially the dog man. The dog man makes no sense to me at all. The Sasquatch, okay, let's put all the demon talk aside for the moment. Let's put all the paranormal mumbo-jumbo side for the moment.

you could buy into the fact there's a primate out there running around that we haven't caught up with. Sure, it makes logical sense because you would expect to find one in North America. There's primates on every other continent. Why would there be one here? Yeah, and it's a little contradictory to what I just said a moment ago. But yeah, let's just put all that other stuff aside for the moment, the trail cams and all this other stuff. Yeah, you can go, hey, yeah, there's a non-human primate out there running around that we haven't just caught up with it. and, you know, this and that.

But with the dog man, I don't know, man. I don't know what to say about the dog man. That makes no sense at all. For a canine to be up on two legs running around, that makes zero sense at all. However, when you listen to the witnesses talk and you let them talk without judgment, you'd be amazed how across the board how these people are so consistent on what they saw very, very consistent on what they saw. And Dog Man isn't as big as Sasquatch. So it's not like a lot of, and I don't think most people are going forward and say, hey, I saw a dog man. I can just tell you from talking to witnesses, they're hard to get on the air.

They really are. They're really hard to get on the air. But in the same breath, it makes no sense. Yeah, I agree with you. Wes, it doesn't make sense. But one of the things you have to look at is, is let's go back in history a little bit. Let's go back to, let's go back to. to the Egyptian days. They even talked about Dogman back then. There's pictures of them. So this is nothing that's really new. It's just more people who are coming out and talking about it now.

You know, and let's also take in fact that there's doctors out there that are messing with a gene pool. You know, that could be a possibility as well. And who says that they couldn't be messing with it way back a thousand years ago? I don't know. But it's not like it's a really new topic. And I think it's something that,

we need to look at considerably and, you know, I hope I never run into a dogman, but I don't think it's too far-fetched to think that there is something like that out there. I mean, Sasquatch, yeah, it's a more popular, it's a more popular creature. We can all say that. But as far as the dogman, I think it could possibly be a real thing. I mean, even at the International Bigfoot conference, I had a couple conversations with a few people about dogmen and some of the stories they told me. And before I went to that conference, I was, I was pretty much, I didn't really,

wasn't really buying the whole story, but after talking to a few people, I could see that in their hearts, they were actually, the stories that they were telling me, in their heart, they truly felt that they did see a dogman. You know,

I don't know what's worse. Do you want to see a dogman or Sasquatch? Well, really, I'd really not see either one of them, but I think it's a very good possibility that they're out there, and it's kind of a shame

that we don't have more evidence and people aren't or pursuing people are not pursuing more research in that in that and the dogman I guess is what I'm trying to say Well it hasn't nearly

permeated our culture in the same way that Bigfoot has I mean you know people that don't know anything about Bigfoot or don't believe it's real or anything still have heard of it but you know

realistically not a lot of people have heard of Dog Man if they see something like that well it looked like a werewolf from a Hollywood movie That's what I was going to say to. Yeah, which is odd because werewolves,

werewolves are very popular in our culture. Yet most people shy away from the dogman subject. Most people don't want to even discuss the dogman subject, which is odd to me. And is there the same type of demonic feeling with the dog man? I would say it's worse. It's worse. I would say it's worse.

Most people that I've talked to. What do you say that? Well, most people I've talked to, obviously I've never come across to dog man, but most people I've talked to said the dog man is evil. There was something not right about it. I had Oscar on. I love that guy.

He's one of the listeners that I always remember. But he talked about it being the king of the coyotes. I always remember him talking about it being the king of the coyotes. And I said, Oscar, why do you call it the king of the coyotes? And he said, well, it's just upright on two legs. And he was walking around like the king of the coyotes. And it reminded him of a coyote. but I even asked Oscar off the air and him and I hope I'm not selling him out by this but

he said Wes I don't there's something not right about it there's something not natural about it and it just like with our encounter what he how he said oh it's demonic and I was like this guy's more than lost his mind but he was saying hey this this thing is demonic and a lot of people who come across the dog man they will describe it as being evil there was something wrong with it. Even if you go down to Southern California, you talk to the Border Patrol agents, they will say it's a demonic,

they call it the devil dog. And I was like, well, where'd you guys come up with Devil Dog? And he goes, it has red glowing eyes. A lot of the reports we get, a guy almost hit one with the Border Patrol SUV, and he said it had red glowing eyes when he saw it. It was very much a flesh and blood creature, but that's why they call it the devil dog because of these red glowing eyes,

and they tend to run into it a lot down there. And I would say, you know, most encounters with Sasquatch, people are frightened. There's a, depending on the encounter, there's a fear. They want to leave the area. They get into fight or flight. But it's not, most people don't say it's evil. Most people don't say there's something demonic about it. Most people don't say that.

Some do. It's more of like a hungry creature of some sort. It's a huge predator they come across that scares a crap out of it. I am not sure. And you might, you might, you can correct me or Anduky as well. Oh, I will. I know you will. I guess what I'm trying to say is, is what the dogman, you don't hear as many of like the alien reports.

You don't hear about the shape-shifting. You don't hear about the predator type stuff. At least I haven't. I could be completely wrong, you guys. I don't know. But with Bigfoot, you hear about all these other things that come along with Bookfoot. Normally when you hear about a dogman encounter, I saw a dogman, and that was it. Yeah, that seems to be the case.

I mean, I haven't had, I'm not a big dogman researcher, but the few people that I have talked to that have had dogman encounters all say pretty much exactly the same thing that Wes is saying. There's something evil about these things. They seem like they radiate fear. Just being around them will scare the crap out of you, much less anything they're doing. So to me it seems, you know, between that and the upright bipedal caned thing, it seems a lot more likely if there's some sort of supernatural element tied in with them. One of the things that people will say when they run into these things is they will say there was something not right about it. There was something evil about it. There was something.

And it's interesting to hear witness to say that because if you come across to Cougar, for example, or you come across a cougar, for example, or you come across a black bear or you come across a large wolf. I've never heard a hunter say it was evil. Ever, ever use that term evil. They'll say, well, it was aggressive. They'll say, well, I had to shoot it. Or they'll say it was tracking me, so I shot it. Even that your buddy, your poacher friend, that shot one,

you would be hard pressed to ask him if it was evil. I bet he won't even know how to respond to you saying it's evil. I'll have no explanation for that. Well, not to cut you off, but well, the difference between that is, is he knew it was tracking him and he actually shot it and took pictures. And we haven't been able to do that with Bigfoot or the dogmen. So there's a huge idea of proving yourself, you know. We haven't been able to do that with Bigfoot or the dogman. Yeah.

And maybe that's why that's why that people think that wolves or, uh, wolves or, uh, um kai what's the name of the cat we're talking about cougars sorry cougars we don't get that evil feeling because we're able that's something that's able to be killed you know when you talk to dogman

when you talk about dogman and saskatch we haven't been able to kill one so that might be where part of the the primal fear might be coming in I've talked to some people have killed Sasquatch or claimed to have killed them anyway let's see it yeah well

good question I don't get an answer for you. Thanks for coming on, fellas. Let's wrap it up. Thanks for coming on. Right on, brother. Glad to be here. Yeah, Wes, thanks again for having me. I appreciate it. Sports betting is sweeping across the country

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