Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:276 First Nations encounters with Sasquatch Part 3

Episode Date: November 21, 2016

Tom Sewid returns tonight to wrap-up our interview on the First Nations encounters with Sasquatch. Tom and I will be discussing the Bukwas or the little people. I hope every enjoys this final holiday series of the First Nations encounters with Sasquatch. Check out Tom's website HERE. Tom was born on a small island off northeast Vancouver Island British Columbia Canada called Alert Bay. This is the modern epicenter for the northern Kwakwaka'wakw (Kwakiutl) First Nations Tribes, otherwise known as Canadian Indians. Raised with the rich culture and heritage of this coastal First Nations Tribe, he was brought up hearing the stories of the animal kingdom and seeing the great ceremony known as Potlatch. At Potlatch he has witnessed the ancient dances with carved masks and beautiful traditional regalia hosted in the great buildings known as Bighouse's. Raised to be a commercial seine fisherman from an early age he would work his way up the ranks to be a captain of salmon seine boats during the 1990s. Thomas has also participated in numerous other commercial fisheries throughout the entire British Columbia coast. During this time, he would meet other First Nations from throughout the coast and hear their stories pertaining to the Sasquatch/Bigfoot.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. That's nice. A little holiday music there in the background. Thanks so much for hanging out tonight. I'm bringing Tom back onto the show, Thomas Seawood.

and Thomas runs a website Hamumuooadventures.com If you get a chance, please visit Hammumuadventures.com. If you're interested in going out looking for Sasquatch, spending time with Tom and Peggy, they run the hamumuooadventures.com,

take you out in kayaks, take you out in different yachts, and take you into deep into the forest into some of these areas where there is Sasquatch. You can call Tom directly for the Hamumu Adventures. The number is,

206 617 7547 and Thomas is in the he's in the Seattle area so if you're up in that area and you'd like to go out with them definitely give him a call

again the number is 206 617 7547 hamumuadventures.com and if you get a chance go back and listen if you haven't heard it yet the first part one and part two episode 274 and 274 and 275 of the show.

If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I know we're running out of items in the store. So if you're looking for a Christmas gift, sweatshirt, beanie shirt, all sorts of cool stuff. Definitely go on there and get it while it's there.

Again, thank you so much for being here. special holiday, three-part holiday show. I want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving. And for those going through tough times, remember, January is right around the corner. So hopefully we'll get out of this for those who aren't going through tough times. But tonight, sit back, relax, and we're going to be talking about the little people or the Bacquas. And Tom's going to be sharing some encounter stories and talking about the differences between the two creatures and what the first nation people say about the two different creatures. Let's jump into it tonight. Tom, welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on tonight, man. Gailakasla, greetings. Yeah, greetings to you. Thank you for being here.

I wanted to jump in. I know we left off and there was a lot more encounters, a lot more historical accounts. And I know I'm going to pronounce this incorrectly, but tonight I wanted to talk a little bit about the Juniqua and the Bacuas. If you would, for the audience, Would you mind going into it and talking about the differences between the creatures? And, you know, what is the juniquo? What is the Bacquas? Well, the Kwok-Wak-Yuat, which I'm a member of the tribe, the First Nation, from northern Vancouver Island. I belong to the Mamliaka tribe of the Kwok-Wak-Yak nation.

Our entire nation talks about a large hair-covered bipedal creature with large pendulous breasts, puckered up lips and sleepy eyes. and she's known as the Junachua, the Wild Woman of the Woods. There is a male Junahua that is used only during potlatches where a person, a man, fulfills all of the roles in memorial for a past father or a family member and a chief who's died. When they have a memorial potlatch three years or longer after his death, this individual will have held this potlatch, which costs thousands of dollars, hundreds of thousands nowadays,

some of the big potlatches that go on for two days. And at the beginning when he's done everything he's supposed to have done, and he's hosting this great potlatch, the chief speaker will put a male Junachua mask against his face, but it won't be tied on, he'll be holding it. And that Junachua has a mustache, and that's the only time. you see it. The male Junachahua. So it's, I guess,

looking at being a researcher and understanding, you know, things like giganticaphythus, and it was a giant ape that supposedly is extinct, which I don't believe. I think it's still walking around out there. It's just what we call Sasquodge Bigfoot and what my people refer to as the Junahua,

wild woman in the woods, but there's also a male one. And we hear stories about the bukos, the wild man of the woods. Now the buccluss, when I was younger, I was brought up with my grandfather sharing the stories and teaching us the dances of the buqqus. But he never said it was short.

He just said it was the wild man of the woods and that it was afraid of people where if it saw a human, it would put its arm up in front of its face and it would take off in a hurry to get back into the forest. but generally you would see the buccas on the beaches at low tide because it's going after its favorite food known as the cockle. By language we call that Jolie. And the cockle is a type of clam that has a shell that's hinged like a scallop that goes from the back to the front.

And when you can't use a butter knife or a clam shucking knife to open it because it's so tight, you have to smash them together two of them. in your hands. And when you smash the shells, you pick out the meat inside and you can eat it raw. And the meat inside a cockle differs from a clam because it looks like a shrimp or a prawn

tail after you've peeled it. And when you eat it, it tastes like a shrimp, prawn and an abalone sort of. That's what I feel. So it's a real delicacy to humans. It's not in heavy abundance on the clam beaches.

You might dig 100,000 of clams and come across one big cockle. So it's rare, but it's usually found just under the surface of the sand. And sometimes you can go to a beach and you can actually just walk at nighttime with your headlamp on or your lantern held up or daytime if it's a low tide. And as you walk, you'll actually see the cockle shells, the cockles with still living on top of the surface, so they're easy to pick. I went to the beach one time quite a few years ago

with some friends from New Zealand that were visiting Vancouver Island, a bunch of Maori natives from New Zealand. And they have cockles down there. And when we went to the sandy beach, they were walking around, took their shoes off, and they were using their toes feeling around in the sand. And when they felt the cockle,

they dig it out and there would be a nice big cockle. And that was the first time I'd ever seen bare feet being used to harvest cockles. Mind you, most of Northern British Columbia's coast where I'm from in Vancouver Island, it's too bloody cold to go barefoot on those beaches during the wintertime, so that's why we probably never did it

that I knew about anyway. But that cockle is, when you see artists that do paintings, now, two weeks ago in Campbell River, an artist who belonged to the Lejota tribe of people from the Campbell River region, His name was Mark Henderson. He passed away.

And as far as I'm concerned and many others, he was the best artist painting, Junahua and Bukwos. He would do these beautiful paintings of the creatures. And one of his most popular ones was made into a print. And it's of a Bukwus. Two of different ones he did, but it's Bukwis on the beach, harvesting cockles. And the print has native style.

full moon out and the beach is low and he actually put the spits of clams coming out of the sand and there's this boosh, this wild man of the woods harvesting his favorite food known as the cockle, jolly in my language. And if you're a quack walk, you walk and you go to potlatches, you see this. Sometimes half a dozen times a year, there'll be different potlatches. So we go to them where everyone's invited. And you witness the families opening their boxes of treasure, like I said last night referred to as a guildess, the symbolic box of treasure that holds all of your cresss, which have stories, legends, and songs. And when they open the box, you see them bring to life their legends and stories that belong to that family.

And you'll see the masked dances take place. And pretty much every potlatch you go to, you will see the chunach, but you'll also see the buqus. but it would be danced according to their legends and stories and to their teachings. So it's pretty neat going to potlatches. You get to see the different interpretations of this little man that's supposed to be covered in hair. I say man because he's supposed to look like a human. He's got hair all over his body and he's afraid of humans. But some of the stories speak about how the bochus, the wild man of the woods,

he's out in a forest and he's, from what I gather, he's in command of the ghost world. And when the person drowns, the spirit goes to that ghost world that the book was commands. And one of the stories my elders told me when I was younger, and it's about when you're in the forest and you get lost, you're not supposed to panic. You're not supposed to get afraid. You just got to deal with the situation that you've found yourself fall into. So being lost in the forest, you're trying to find your way back to the warmth of your family's fires and your big houses in the old days.

Nowadays, the warmth of our family's fire would be the family as a whole. The safety, the security, and everything that you get being tightly knit to your family and tied to it. And when you get lost in the forest, they say that you might get scared and panicky. and you might start running around. And all of a sudden, you're like, geez, I'm just, I think I walked through this place before. I think I'm going in circles and eventually you get tired. You go to sleep. Well, Bikos is watching you, the wild man in the woods.

And he can't just come and capture you. He has to trick you. And what he'll do is you'll put out a piece of bark, they said in the story I heard when I was younger. And on this piece of cedar bark, when you wake up, you're going to see. smoke salmon. You'll see herring eggs called an aunt. You'll see hellabit. You'll see

cockles. You'll see clams. Herring, ooligans. All the beautiful foods are the quack-walk you walk. And because you're lost in the forest and you just woke up and you're hungry and afraid, you start devouring that food because you're so hungry. We're never, ever supposed to do that.

Because once you start eating that food that looks so beautiful and delicious, All of a sudden, you feel and you notice, and you start spitting out this beautiful food because it wasn't beautiful food. The B'CWS had tricked you. And what it was was his trickery has disguised that food into snakes, slugs, maggots, centipedes, and it's ghost food. And it's just food, but it's too late. You've eating, you've given in to temptation.

You've eaten the ghost food of the B'KUs. And now when you get up and your panic and run, and you look at the top of the mountain, and where you're at, you look down, and you see the smoke from your family's fires, and you run straight for it. And you're running and running and running, and all of a sudden you come out on an outcropping, and you look down again,

expecting to be closer to your smoke from your family's village. Well, you notice that the smoke is even further away. And you try and try and try to get back to security, the warmth, safety of your family. That's what the smoke from the fires represents. And you keep finding you get further and further away because you gave in to temptation, you were weak and you ate the ghost food that buccas put out for you. Now your soul is captured and owned, controlled by the buccas, and it's going to be very, very hard to ever get back to the security and warmth of your family's fires.

That's the story how I heard it. And, you know, you also know when you're out in the bush, not that I've been lost, I've been turned around a few times, but I never did see ghost food out. but I always thought about it. If I do, I ain't going to eat it. The Bois is going to capture me. But one of my second cousins who lives up north, Vancouver Island and Lert Bay, I saw a television show.

He's a very famous artist, and I saw a television show where he was being interviewed. He gave his version of his family and what he'd been taught about the Buqqqus. But he had a really neat analogy. He said, I guess in this modern day, you could say the drug dealer is the buccas. Don't ever sample his food.

Don't ever give in to temptation. Because if you do, you're captured by him. And it'll be very, very hard again to get back to your family's fires and the security of it. And that's all he said. He kept it short and tight. But through the years, I've thought about that. And I thought, what a great analogy of the bequech. Because nowadays, as we know, if someone gives in to temptation

and samples things like cocaine or fentanyl or heroin, even alcohol. And all of a sudden, addiction takes over and they start stealing from the family. They start violently lashing out at family members. Pretty soon they're thrown out of the family home. Now they live on the streets, and their addiction has control of them. And they might look at their house at nighttime and think about how much they want to be back to where they were. before they gave in to the temptation of drugs. They want to be back at the warmth of their family's fires.

Inside, sitting on the couch with a belly full of a good meal, watching television and laughing with all the family, mom and dad and others. So my cousin, when he had that analogy years ago, it really floored me what our old people were telling us about buccas. So through the years, though, out in the bush, and just on Vancouver Island as a whole, And then you hear the stories about people seeing little hair-covered creatures.

One of the stories I heard was this bushman who's lived out in the bush all of his life, and he's quite old. It was secondhand. I got this story, but they said they were in the forest and by a stream with salmon. All of a sudden they smelled aniseous, licorice, the licorice firm. It was very, very strong, smelling of licorice. and then next you know they saw little footprints in the sand and the water still coming into it so it was just there and they heard chattering and rustling of ferns and brush and they never did see it but they saw the tracks and they smelled that smell and when I first heard that I used that as a baseline

to ask more in-depth questions when people were telling me about sightings they'd had or strange happenings and might have seen small tracks. And a couple, three times after that, I've heard the comparison and talk of the smell of licorice, the licorice fern. And one of the elders I spoke to from a different tribe, they mentioned that, oh, yeah, the little one, he likes eating that licorice fern, the roots.

So whether or not I don't know, it's just something that I picked up and heard through the years. But if you look at the quack-walk, you walk, We have those two creatures we talk about, the Junukwau, male and female, female lads really spoken about and carved. You see her crests all over the place. You know, Vancouver Island is the highest concentration

of Sasquatch Bigfoot carvings on earth. Nothing compares. Right from when you start in Victoria and work your way to the northern tip, all you see in our small cities, big city Victoria, the Nimal, Campbell River, Alert Bay, Port Hardy, Duncan,

Cowichin, you see carvings of the Junachah, Wild Woman of the Woods. The coast-sailish people down south, I'm not co-sailish, and I can't speak on behalf of them by any means. But just some of the things were talking to some of my friends that are from down around southern Vancouver Island, one of the tribes that they belong to of their nation,

this elder was telling me about, when I asked him, I said, what's the name of the big creature? He goes, ha'akas. And he had the same stories as our people do about the Junahah, but they call it haakus. And then I asked him about, what about little ones with covered in hair? He goes, oh, yes, yes. I saw one years ago when I was a young boy. I was sitting on a fence railing down, and he pointed where you're living in the Naino, south in the Naino area. He said, down on the beach there by that river, I went down there.

and there was a small little hair-covered creature sitting on the top cedar fence railing. And when it saw me, it put its jump down, put its hand in front of its face and ran away into the forest. He goes, we call that one, Steemptum. And in 2007, I moved with the mother of my children and our two kids at the time. We moved from Northern Vancouver Island to Queen Charlotte Islands, Hydeguay. That's the homeland of the Haida people. And up there, you know, right away, of course, I'm going to start asking questions about Bigfoot Sasquots. And I was taught about what they call Go Geat, the large, covered, haired, covered creature.

They share their island archipelago with since the dawn of our their creations. And like my people, they dance it as well in their ceremonies. And I witnessed their dance out in one of the festivals outside. there was a dancer there doing their interpretation. And I thought, wow, that's pretty much parallel to what we do in the posturing and the movements. And then, of course, I asked about what about a smaller one? And one of the friends of mine up there at the time, he spoke about, yeah, there is a smaller one. And the name of it is this.

And to this day, I can't remember the name, but I remember him giving me the hide of name of this smaller creature. And how it moves around. He said it's almost looks like a land order when it's moving around. You know what landowners like when they're playing on the beach or on the docks. And I go, yeah. And he goes, that's kind of like what they move like, he said. He goes, I saw one one night. I was driving into the Indian Reserve.

The road goes along the waterfront. He said, I saw this thing run out of the bush and back down towards the water. And he said, that's the smaller one, he said. And when I asked a few other people about it, You know, they just sort of, yeah, I've heard something about it, but they didn't elaborate. And then, you know, just right there, it shows you three different coastal First Nations tribes from British Columbia speak of two different hair-covered beings, one bigger than a human and one smaller than a human. And then if, you know, after when I met John Bindernagle and after my first sighting, and he educated me and the scientific,

areas that he knows about. And I was learned about something called giganticus that used to be this big gorilla and that's possibly the Yeti, which is possibly the Sasquatch. And then I remember when all of a sudden National Geographic, I saw that cover a few years ago, The Hobbit, and I grabbed it and I read it. And I was just amazed at this thing called Homo Florensis that they have fossilized fossil records going back 10,000 years ago. It was still walking around Indonesia. And I thought, well, wait a second here. They're still talking about a little hair-covered creature walking around

Indonesia called Aryan Pendick, I think they refer to it as. And I'm thinking, you know, you know, bigfoot Sasquatch, which possibly is gigantic, epithagus, walked across the land between Asia and North America when the water tables were far lower. Well, it's conceivable to say that homo florencous or break from that little creature, that little relic humidin, it walked across as well. And that's why in North America, in my region, Pacific Northwest, Canada, Washington State, we hear these stories, these two hair-covered creatures. And then if we go to the First Nations, as I have, we find out that it's right across the coast. You know, I can't speak for other tribes because I never asked them about two creatures. but I do know when I went to the Hubeié,

the big springtime celebration of the northern, I believe they're Shimshan people, up northeast of Prince Rupert, just south of the Alaska Panhandle in British Columbia. When we went to this March of 2008, we went to their big Hubei A celebration, and we watched all of their tribes on this gymnasium floor, and just sometimes there's over 150 of their people

in different button blankets and button designed aprons and cedar bark headpieces and furs and drummers by 20, 30 at a time, drumming and singing their traditional songs, it was amazing because it wasn't my tribe. I was a visitor, a guest in their territories, witnessing their culture and heritage. Parallel to my quack-quack-wock-up upbringing and culture, but far different as well.

And then all of a sudden, the drummers started a different song. All of a sudden, his back gymnasium door, double door like we see in our gymnasiums all over North America had opened up. And this band come out with a rattle and he's backing out of the door onto the gymnasium floor. And he's shaking his rattle and the drums are going. And all of a sudden, I gasped and so did my children because they understood what we were seeing. You saw this big, long-haired wooden mask dip. underneath the door. The door is eight feet high,

and this thing had to squat down and come into the gymnasium and stand straight upright. And there was their dancer representing the Sasquots. And it had to be seven and a half feet tall. It was a man with stilts on under his costume. And to see those long strides with that leg and the posturing of the arms, and it was so reminiscent of our Junachua and our Bukhus dances.

It was their version. And it was just amazing to see that. And just recently I saw on YouTube, and like I was saying last night, White Man's Magic, most powerful tool in the world, the internet, especially Facebook. Yeah.

But I was watching Facebook the other day and one of the researchers that, you know, a lot of us know about it. I can't, I think it's, I can't remember his name, but anyway, he posted a clip of the coast-sailish people just east of Vancouver, British Columbia, showing their dance for its second time ever being seen publicly outside of their tribe. And it was their bendition of the Sasquatch. And it was done, you know, similar to ours.

The costume was a little different. The mask was really intriguing because it was done more instead of being more, what would be the word I'm looking for it? More abstract, like the Kwokok-Walky mask masks are. They're kind of an abstract of the form, the natural creature. Well, this one was more almost like someone had taken a block of wood and carve exactly what he saw in the forest. And it looked like a real Sasquatch.

And it was beautiful to see. So just now that I'm down here in Kent Washington for the next couple months here with my partner in life, Peggy. You know, I'm going to be interacting with all of the First Nations or American Indian tribes down here that I can. I need to talk to them about different things, business-related. I have to go through what we call protocols, asking permission if I can do some things down here in their territories.

But I'm also going to be asking them their stories about Sasquatch Bigfoot. And I'm really looking forward to hearing about it. Because from what I understand, there's quite a few sightings down here as well. But the bookwish, now we know there's that separation. And I know in my tribe, I catch a lot of grief. Sometimes I, you know, I did shows in the past and interviews. And I'll refer to the Sasquatch as bukwas. And then all of a sudden I go to Northern Vancouver Island

or I'd run into one of my family or native friends and elders. Tommy, you quit calling it Bukkos. It's the Churachah. The Chonachah is the big one. The Pukush is a small one. And then when I started asking more questions, what's the difference between the Bukkis and the Churukha? Number one, height.

Number two was looks. Some of the artists nowadays are carving in the Bikwist mask where it actually has horns on the side of its head. I was never brought up to believe. it had horns, well, not believe, but I was never told it had horns on its head. But I think, like, when I saw that one looking at me in a grimace, the bequished, you can usually tell the difference between the sat, Junachua and a bechus right away by the mouth. The Junachau have puckered up lips, like it's blowing a kiss or starting to blow a bubble of

that gum in its mouth, gum in its mouth. Whereas the bochus mask always has the teeth showing. that grimace that we hear so much in people seeing Sasquatch Bigfoot. We hear that grimace. Well, quack-wawk-walk-you-walk, artists for probably for hundreds, if not thousands of years, have been showing that grimace as well. And that's how you difference, tell the difference between the buqus and the chunachah. Bekos shows teeth, grimace.

Chonachua shows puckered up lips. Because remember, it's hollering from island to island. Whoop, whoop, whoop. So that's why it has puckered up lips. I wanted to ask you. So with the juniqua, for the people so they understand, it's basically we're talking about Sasquatch for people who are.

But with the Bacquas, what we're talking about is possibly the little people or what some people call the little people? I won't give them my opinion. I'll just give what I've heard. I'll leave it up to the list there. But yeah, my people, they always refer to it as little. So it would be part of that what we hear about little

people. And, you know, I've heard it all my life, but, you know, it didn't really resonate until Mott recently, when I say recently, last 20 years or so when I started to look at that difference of the, and then these little people. And then, like I said last night, I just completed one year's living and working up in the Northwest Territories, north of the 60th, north of 60, we call it, north of the 60th parallel. And, uh, what do you call it? It's basically sub-Arctic up there, bloody cold in the winter last year,

but living up there in this whole different world because it's northern Canada. I'm up there with the Dene people, who at one time were referred to as Chippewa, but they're actually called Dene, numerous tribes making up their vast nation. But it's also the northern boundary of the Cree, which I'm half Cree,

which is one of the largest tribes in all of Canada, First Nations. and there's a lot of Inuit up there as well from northern northwest territories in the Arctic living in Yellowknife where I was. So I was invited to some of their celebrations and festivals. Of course, you know, Tommy 10,000 questions. I'm sitting there, how come, why?

What do you hear? Big people, little people, hair-covered beings? And then all of a sudden when they got to know me and they opened up. And we were out fishing one day with some of the boys and all of a sudden I brought the question out about Sasquatch, Bigfoot. One guy said, laughing away. He goes, he starts laughing and I thought, oh, no, I touched a nerve here.

Now it's going to be what smoke and what were you drinking. I said, because it's funny you should bring that up. He goes, I'm a forester. I'm right now, this time of year I'm in charge of numerous firefighting teams that are all Aboriginal, native people. and he's just south in northern Alberta and he said just last week I got emergency call on the radio had to rush out to one of my fire teams

and when I got out there half my bloody team is up and quit throwing down their piss cans and shovels and axes and rakes and hoses that's it loaded we're taking it off bring us back to town we're out of here he's like whoa whoa what's going on here you guys have an argument what's wrong

not getting enough pay because we are paying you're good and all of a sudden And they weren't, he said they didn't want to talk about it. And then finally the leader of the group said, oh, Christ, he goes, we were fighting that fire up on that hill. We pushed our way up. We're pushing the fire back. All of a sudden, this stump beside us, all of a sudden, this little hairy being jumped out, looked at us, put his hand in front of his face and reached in with his left hand arm and started pulling other little hairy creatures out. And next to you know, there's this whole family, little hairy creatures running down the hill from where we just,

came up. Bad mojo. No bloody way. We're not going back up there. We quit. Now is it. He lost half his fire team because of these little people covered in hair that they saw vacating their home, I guess, a stump that where a forest fire was burning a few minutes

prior. And in my journeys as well, I guess a few years ago I was doing a television show called Aboriginal Adventures Canada. I dress up in West Coast Kwokwokwakwak Tire. I'd go on adventures with my fellow First Nations showcasing their tourism operations. To me, I was just a great, I just, I actually went to Victoria one day and I had a real bad hangover. I hit a detour in the city, and I had to go on this road. I'd never been down for years, and as I'm driving down, I saw this big sign on this blue building that said,

Czech television. It's the local Vancouver Island, mainly news is what they produce, but they produce a few shows and runs as well here. I thought, hey, I'm going to go pull in there. So I pulled in there. I walked in and I told that woman at the desk. I said, hey, I'm here from Northern Vancouver Island. I'm going to talk to your chief of Czech television.

He needs to send his cameras up to Northern British Columbia and film us Indians and our tourism businesses. And she looked at me and she goes, well, our chief, our CEO is so-and-so. Do you have an appointment? I'm like, hell no, I'm an Indian. I got reservations. And she started laughing and low into a whole ten minutes. later I got to meet their CEO

and off to his office a few minutes later off to the boardroom all the directors and producers came from upstairs. Two hours later a pat my back shaking my hand and saying yeah we'll give you a chance and lo and behold they shoved the camera in front of my face and we started

filming Aboriginal Adventures Canada and I started traveling around doing episodes but it also gave me a springboard to talk to other first nations and other regions of British Columbia about their stories of Sasquatch and Bigfoot. It was just amazing.

And then I was going back east to Alberta to go visit my children who were living in a place called Calgary. And I went through southern British Columbia along the northern Washington state border. And I was going through the desert-y type country that we call the Okinawagon. And I got to this place called the Soyuz. And there's a pretty big tribe as far as business. there and I wanted to stop and see their business ventures. They have a campground, a winery, a resort, golf course, fruit fields, and of course their cultural center known as Incomit. So I thought, hey, I'm going to go check all this out. So I went there like, you know, Tommy

tourist and introduced myself. And of course, because of the television show, they're all like, oh, hey, I need my picture with you for my Facebook. And I'm getting all my pictures of all the workers at Incomit that I ran into. And all of a sudden they brought me into an auditorium and said, oh, you got to check out our rattlesnake show. And our elder is going to do the show you, talk about the rattlesnakes and our relationship to them and what we're doing. So I hate snakes, but I sat in the back of the auditorium and watched it.

Afterwards, me and this old gentleman, that was the head sort of guide of Incomit, loaded me up on his golf cart, and off we went up into the back. 40 of this desert, you know, seeing cactuses and sage and all kinds of stuff I'm not accustomed to on Vancouver Island.

And of course, I'm just dreading the thought about us finding a rattlesnake because I don't want to see it. And as we're going down these trails in this golf cart, that people walk, they have what do you call interpretive displays of pit houses and their version of a teepee.

And then all of a sudden we come around the corner and there's this rock and it has pictographs. ochre paintings and black paintings on it. And just like what we see in, you know, ancient pictographs, rock paintings from the native people across North America, that's what it kind of looked like. It was identical. And, but it was really, really small, you know,

it was like the size of, good comparison would be they were no bigger than an eraser. And, you know, they're quite small. And which kind of, you know, so asked us, what's that all about? I noticed on this boulder that these things are painted on. There's rocks, pebbles on top, different sizes. And he goes, oh, that's from the little people. And I kind of thought, oh, yeah, it's pulling my leg. I said, what little people?

And he goes, oh, we got the little people come out. They move around like our people used to do semi-nomadic. And this time of the year, and mid-spring, they'll show up again. They've been here because, see the rocks up there, I noticed, a few extra rocks were put on there a few weeks back. And another painting was put on there. So they must be around again, I guess. I said, do you ever seen them?

He goes, no, I never seen them, but you can hear them. They chatter. You'll hear a high-pitched chattering and almost like they're laughing. And you look around, you never find them. He goes, but our people have been talking about them for years. So he opened the door right there on beings, the creatures. So I said, what about the big one? I said, when I was driving here, I was going up this hill

and there's all these bronze statues of deer and mountain lion and mountain sheep and bear. And then all of a sudden when I got to the top of that mountain on the highway, there are low and beholders this big huge bronze Sasquatch. I said, what about that? He goes, oh, yeah, he goes up there and he pointed behind the cultural center. He goes, I saw one up there and stick its head between the sage bushes looking at me. When I tried to walk towards it talking in our language, it just took off fleeting through the sages, disappeared. But they come around here.

They're just like the little people. Every so often through the year, they'll come through at different seasons. So there you go. Now we're in the interior, south interior British Columbia, and they're talking about two hair-covered creatures, one small, one big. It's really interesting. I've talked to a lot of witnesses that, well, not a lot. actually, it's been just very few that have seen, what I get the little people or Bacquas, whatever, you know, it's, what term we want to give it. But what's interesting is I've spoken to a couple of them.

A couple descriptions come to mind, but for the most part, they're consistent when the witnesses are talking about coming across this little creature. And the part that always threw me off, I always assumed it was a little juvenile until you start listening to what the witnesses say. and they'll say it was about three, three and a half feet tall, and it was proportioned like a person. You know, Sasquatch, a lot of times with reports, their proportion more like an ape. They got the longer arms, they got the big shoulders. They're built like a huge gorilla, like a giant gorilla. But these little people that people run into, they'll say it was proportioned just like a person. It wasn't a person.

It was all hair covered. And I can think of one that pups to mind as we're sitting here talking. I remember you were talking about the grimace, the mouth, the teeth. And one of the witnesses I talked to said it showed its teeth, and its teeth were almost all canine. They were very pointy, and she didn't get a good feeling from the creature. She felt like it was going to attack. It was semi-aggressive with her. And then some of the tribes down in the southwest, they'll tell you to look up in the trees.

And they'll say they're there, but they're very rare, but they're there. and then as you were talking about the chatter, I've talked to hunters a couple times I've had hunters on the show and they'll be out in the middle of nowhere at some godly hour and they'll say, I heard children talking and I'll say, children talking and laughing is how they'll describe it and I'll say, are you sure it was children? And they'll say, well, it wasn't children, but that's the only thing I can compare it to.

It's like a real high-pitch chatter back and forth and then it almost sounded like they were laughing. And I haven't come across one hunter or one hiker. I know one guy was cut in wood, and he was out there at like 7 a.m. I know the area where he was at. It's the middle of nowhere. There's no way there was kids out there.

But he said he heard this strange high-pitched chatter. And he said it sounded like two or three individuals having a great time, just chattering, real high-pitched chatter. And then in between that, he goes, I think I heard laughter. I almost sounded like they were laughing. And I went and I looked around, but I couldn't find anything.

And so it almost makes me wonder if that's what they're hearing. I think so. You know, you always hear that chatter, like even with the big ones, you know, the Sasquatch. You hear the chatter, and I've heard it, but, you know, it's one of my relatives, he's passed now, but he used to always go to my trailer in Native Anchorage that I was talking about last night that I put on the beach in 1988 or 89 up there on Village Island. But I remember going there with my sane boat and anchoring out. And, you know, all of a sudden you see my friend and distant relative pull in in a speedboat.

You know, call him over or he comes over right away because, you know, he wants coffee and a cigarette. Never did have cigarettes. He went to bush. But anyway, we'd be just shooting the shit, basically, talking away their boat to boat. And then I said, you know, I said, oh, you're staying in the trailer tonight. He goes, oh, yeah, I stay in there. I said, I was wondering who has been staying in there. I noticed a little generator in the cupboard.

You know, oh, yeah, I go, I stay there when I come out of your fishing. I was native people. We still live off the land and water like we used to for thousands of years. And that one time I ran into him, I asked him. It was the same year, I'd run, seen them heading towards the trailer area, and I was out on my fishbow fishing. And that was that time we had our sighting on the fishbowl called the Skittigot. early 90s.

But it was like a year later when I finally made it back up to the Alert Bay Area. And I seen him on the dock and I called him over. I said, hey, I said, did you stay last year? Did you stay in that trailer? That time I, when there was a commercial fish opening and you went by and he's thinking about it. Oh, yeah, I stayed there all the time. I said, you ever hear anything out there out of the ordinary?

He goes, ah, chatter, chatter, chatter. I always chatter, chatter, chatter, behind the trailer. He said, what's chattering? And he goes, ah, you know what's chattering the big, big fellas. And what do you call, because maybe, he goes, I said, well, what do you do? He goes, ah, what do you think I do? I just pound on the wall, tell him to shut up, I want to sleep. But a few years later, I ran into him again, and I asked him more questions about it.

And he says, yeah, he goes, oh, there's a lot of them in there. He goes, every time you go there, you hear them chattering away, especially in September. Because behind the trailer, there's all those wild plum shuns. trees. And that's what we used to hear. I used to think it was deer when I first put the trailer there. You hear, you know, deer jumping and crashing. And then I remember one night I'm lying in bed and I hear this, just a continuous crash, like a push through the plums behind the trailer. And I'm thinking, okay, that wasn't a deer. Must be a big bear, I'm thinking. And then later on, after many years ago by, I started thinking, you know, I think some of those times I heard a lot of noise in that

plum tree in end of August, September. I think it was. it was the big fellas out there. And then we'd heard that chatter too distantly. So I don't know whether it was the big one or the little one we're hearing, but it's just reminiscent all through the coast and the different stories you hear and incident reports. It's always, they always seem to refer to chattering.

One of the things I found with the chatter is you'll hear with witnesses I've had on in the past. When they hear the chatter, it's generally daytime type encounters. when they hear the chatter. I don't know that I've had too many witnesses on that talk about the chatter at night. It seems to be at night they do more of the whoops, they do more of the screams, they do more of, it's more animalistic, very much so and more animalistic at night. And this is just a theory of mine based on witnesses, but during the day it seems like

they have more of that, witnesses will hear that chatter. But at night, though, I don't think I've had one witness on. that talks about hearing a chatter at night, what they'll hear is the whoops, the screams, the roars. Have you come across that? Well, the chatter and we heard was nighttime. When I had the siding and native anchorage off the commercial fish boat, you know, that's what, this is what we heard at first.

We heard the bang against the trailer and then we heard this. That chirping, whistling. And it was almost like at the time, you know, I just, I didn't know what the heck it was. And then later on that night, towards the end of our sighting, when it walked off the beach and the forest, and I had it in the spotlight. Second time, when it got into the bush, you could tell it was no longer in stealth mode. It was just like a human pissed off walking through slough. Smash, crash, boom.

It was pushing. Then it stopped. And then it did its whistle chirp, like whee-da-b-b-b-reel-b-b-reel-loud. and then way back at the head of the bay up in the forest, you heard that whistle chirp higher pitched. And to me that, you know, when you look at it as a bushman, it's no different than wolves when they're communicating one to one another when they're pushing in on an animal to take it down.

The head wolf is calling the shots, and he's not howling. He's just, boom, you know, baking his commands, left, right, forward, stop, push, tighten up, whatever. And that's an identifier, just like us, you know, hollering at your hunting partner or your clam-digan partner down the beach and you can't see them because your lights are out. And then you hear that chatter-chatter, to me, that's just them like us, you and I right now talking to each other, chatter-chatter. And then you hear the whoops, the howls.

And to me, that's the island-to-island like the stories are about the juno'-achah. It's hollering. Whoop, whoop, who-w. And then, of course, once you've been out in Bush long enough and you've heard the whoops, yes, that's one form of their vocalization for great distances. But then you also hear that deep roar. And then you hear some of these ones that have been recorded where their roar, chirping, yip type thing all meshed together. I don't know what that is, but, you know, like I've, you know, a lot of people ask me because, you know, I, I, you know, I, I've spent so many decades out in the bush, you know, basically 19, the night of desert storm,

I remember sitting on Vancouver Island going, damn, the world's crazy. And I just got a bill from our equivalent to IRS. I got a bill back then in the early 90s for an obscene amount of money. And I thought, there's no bloody way I'm going to be able to pay this off. And credit ratings are going to go to hell, this, that, the other thing. And I'm like, man, I can't. I guess I'm a square. peg in a round hole when it comes to this Indian

trying to fit in the Whitey's world. There's no way I'm going to have a credit rating now because of this. I remember having the doom and gloom feeling on my shoulders. And then all of a sudden I turn on the TV and there's shock and awe going on and they're blowing the hell out of Iraq. And I was

just thinking, holy smokes. Then I thought about it. What the hell you want to be a square pegging around hole? Go be a round peg in a round hole. Get into Bush. And the next day I went to Bush and I came back out in 1999, you know, and it was because my woman I was dating was pregnant. Lo and behold, nine months later, Hunter, our son was born.

But that's what pulled me out of bush. So when I went into bush, I lived bush. I worked tourism on Village Island in the summer. September, I jumped on a yacht, and I was a commercial guided hunting guide for mainly bears, black and grizzly, black-tailed deer and fishing as well. and wolves, cougar, whatever we can, with fur and heartbeat, and whatever the clients wanted. And it was high-end Safari Club International,

so I got to meet a lot of well-off people that were dressed in camel. You got to remember, this was back in a day before there was camel in the stores. You know, it was sort of surplus only. But these guys were showing up with camel, and they were rich. They'd been all over the world. Some of these people hunting on every continent except, Antarctica. And, you know, I talked to them, and they shared their stories about

Sasquots. And I remember them talking about chattering and chirping. And when I used to always say, you ever see that show, the gods must be crazy about that little South African bushman who has a Coca-Cola bottle, he wants to throw off the end of the earth. And they go, yeah. And I'm like, remember how we used to talk with that chirping and chattering and those lips smacking?

Yeah. And I'm like, was that what, you guys are Saskatch? watches sound like, because that's what they sound like up here. And they'd think, and they go, you know, you're right. Pretty damn similar to that little Bushman. So that's one of the things I use as a comparison for what does this chattering chirping sound like. Yeah, it's interesting.

And, you know, as I listen to, you talk about the First Nations outlook on the creature. And as you and I've been talking in our last couple days, as you hear the outlook, and then you hear what the Native Americans say down here in the States, and even some of historical accounts of non-Native Americans that have come across these things, it got me thinking about, you know, like the Genoa, taking children and eating them, or as non-natives, they'll call it the boogeyman's going to get you at night. The boogeyman only comes out at night and he's going to get you. And I know parents use it as kind of a story to keep their kids in line.

You know, with every legend, there's always a hint of truth to the legend. And it got me thinking about the Juniqua. You know, I realize every one of these creatures will have a different personality, kind of like humans. Some people are more laid back and some people are more quick to fight. Some people can let things slide off their back. Some people can't. They get real upset over anything. And I would imagine that it's the same with these things.

And the only thing that throws me off with these things being apes is most of the Most apes, well, all apes, don't eat meat. However, chimps do. And so it made me think maybe Sasquatch is a cross somewhere between a chimp and an ape, because we get a lot of strange reports of deer kills, for example, their legs getting snapped off. And so in my opinion, I think that they're eating meat. And what worries me sometimes with these encounters, and I'm not saying all Sasquatch are bloodthirsty killing machines. I think only a fool would say that. But do you think there's some truth to them snagging children and eating them?

I mean, it's an easy target. Oh, God, yeah. Well, you know, we have unquestioned belief in our legends and stories from the old people. So right there, Chonach takes children. You know, I'm not going to argue that. It's in our culture, it's, you know, that's chiseled in stone law. So, yeah, to me, you know, you look at us humans. You know, I'm the most pleasant man you can possibly meet.

But let's say we jump on someone's Cessna airplane and we go deep into the coastal mountains and all of a sudden we spiral in and go in below the canopy and crash and we both survive. But, you know, to pilot, my buddy's got a broken hip. and I got a broken leg and ankle. And all of a sudden, 11 days go by and we haven't eaten anything. You watch how quick I'll eat that pilot without hesitation. Law of the Bush is law of survival, period. And so that being said, you know, we have all of the cases of cannibalism by humans.

Inuit, right up until the early 1900s were exercising cannibalism for survival up in northern Canada. You know, that's one of the things I read years ago. Airplane crashes, shipwrecks, and the list goes on. You know, you look at even medieval Europe, you know, king and queen, the surf system in Europe. They're finding bones with human scrape and cook marks on them. And, you know, this is in the last 1,500 years. So, yeah, humans, just like a chimpanzee, can be the sweetest thing on Earth. but all of a sudden snap, bang, boom, before you blink, they're raging an animal and there's chimpanzees tearing a face off its master.

So who is the true master? The master is the Bush law, law of survival. So when it comes to them eating humans, Vancouver Island, if you, you know, I haven't done it in depth, but I just played with it when the internet first started coming around. But you look at all the reports of how many missing people on Vancouver Island in the last 25, 30 years. years. And then you just factor in probability. This, these want this percentage here, they died of injury from why falling down a cliff or whatever, because that usually is the main reason that people get screwed up in the bush. They get injured. They slip, fall, break something. And then

you have these ones that succumb to hypothermia. Then you have this smaller percentage which succumbed to a heart attack or a stroke because they're too dang old and too dang fat to be out in the bush in the first place. But you always have this small little point something percentage that you add up over individual cases is always there. What happened to them? Well, they got eaten by something. Wolves are eat elders.

You know, when I was a young man teenager, we were led to believe that, you know, wolves will kill you according to the nursery rhymes and Disney stories. But then all of a sudden we get older and we get educated and we're told that, oh, there's no documented report of wolves ever attacking or eating a human. And then now in the modern times with the magic of the internet and social media and camera phones and so forth, we hear about a guy getting a scalp ripped off by a wolf and dragged out of a tent on Vancouver Island. We hear about another incident on Vancouver Island just a couple years ago with wolves attacking a person. And the list goes on across Turtle Island.

In the last 20 years, we hear of all of these reports of wolves. doing bad to a human. And of course, then we have the black bears. You know, what do you fear more? Grizzly bear or Black Bear? Or Black Bear, I mean, the black bear charges you, bluff charges you, and start circling stalking you. You have a predatory bear on your hands,

and that thing's not going to stop until it has a full belly because it's afraid the wolves or the grizzly bear will scare him off his prey. So even though you haven't bled yet, he's going to make you bleed. And when that incident comes at the clash, you better make damn sure you brought out a knife that had over six inches of blade because you're going one-on-one with that blackburn. You're going to fight for your life. There is no playing dead because he'll eat you while you're alive until his belly is full. Unlike a grizzly bear, he'll slap you around, and hopefully he'll just bury you and let you soften up a bit with rot and decomposing a bit because he likes his food stinky. So Bush law dictates that there's animals out, they're going to eat you.

And so we look at all these lost people out in the forest. You last night were telling me about something about someone, three hikers getting taken out when they're in the bush by something. You know, I think that's something, there's a small percentage. But if we look at the small percentages on missing people reports and the few cases where they find carcass, like that, trapper that found his buddy with puncture marks in his broken neck and uh ape canyon a bunch of people tried to hurt shoot at a saskatch and what happened well saskatches went tribal on their

butt and they went offensive in ape canyon so law of the bush is you fight for your life you've and that means if you got to eat your buddy you will eat your buddy unquestioned that's the law of So Sasquatch has eaten human beings. Hell yeah. I think you'd be a fool not to think otherwise. And that's why the native legends Kwokok-Walky walk tell us, don't you ever, ever harm or hurt a Sasquatch or disrespect them. So when you see these guys with their Bigfoot television shows and Sasquatch television shows

banging wood against wood, listen, oh, I heard something. Oh, let's just stick around. going to see our squatch. A BS. That squatch just did a 180 and he's getting the heck out of there. Why? Kwokwok you walk training. When I was a young man, young boy, and what I did to my son and my daughter, you bring them to a beach, low tide, springtime.

Usually in May, you're going to go look for some cockles and you're going to show them clam digging without, you know, show them how to harvest clams and the different levels of tide and what you're going to find at the different stages when it's exposed, how to identify a good clam beach. Well, the first thing you do when you get to the beach is you go up to the high tide mark. You just walk around on the high tide area looking at the gravels and sand. And if you see a pile of cockle shells on a log or a rock or on the bedrock, you get back in your boat and you go down on the beach about a mile or so,

you find another clam beach. Because what those empty shells are, it's the Sasquatch telling you, I'm clam digging here right now. This is my harvest ground. So respect. Give them the beach. What happens if you don't heat the morning? Well, all hell is going to break loose usually from some of the, we'll get into that a little bit later.

But the other one is when you go to the bush, you're taught that when you hear that wood against wood, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you know it's not a woodpecker. It's wood against wood. You stop, turn around, pull a 180, go right back. where you came from. Don't go any further. Not one inch. Why not? Because that's the Sasquatch telling you, stop, get out of here. My family's up here. I don't want you up here. So of course, being young, I did the thing most young people do. Well, what happens if you keep going? And I was told, well, you ever hear on the news about those silly white people go missing when they go hiking

and camping? Maybe they heard wood against wood and they went and see what that noise was. You don't disrespect them, Tommy. You just get out of there. So when I see these Sasquatch shows, I see these people banging wood against wood. If the Sasquatch knows English, you may as well yell as loud as you can. Hey, Sasquatch, I mean to do your harm and disrespect you.

So come closer, please. If he understands you, is he? Absolutely not. He's going to do that 180 and get out of there. And that's why if you are a researcher that wants to be taken with credibility from we, North American Indian, don't be banging wood against wood because we just laugh at you and think

Nisna Lumae class, silly white people. And that's how I look at it with all of those perspectives on Sasquatch. Like any animal, you know, you can see that grizzly bear, whether it's 250 pounds, just left his mama, or he's 1100 pounds and been around a few decades. You can see that grizzly bear in a salmon river. Or, and his belly's dragging on the ground, it's so full of salmon. And you'll walk right by you, two feet away from you, and you probably just take a glance at you and let's keep going.

He has no interest in you. But you find that same bear, whether it be the young one or the old one or anything in between, and the salmon didn't show up in that river that year. As I witnessed, grizzly bears cannibalizing their younger ones, that grizzly bear are going to rip you apart and eat you. The law of the bush just kicked in. You will survive at all costs.

us. Yeah, and you brought up a good point, and I'm sure there's some people that'll be offended by it, but those are the first people that'll eat people. And it made me chuckle a little bit because people, you know, they'll say, I would never do that. Well, you take away everything that a person has and they have no food. You know, people become animals pretty quick. They can, you'd be surprised when there's no food or anything. Someone will kill someone and eat them. And I know most people don't want to hear that or don't.

like to think of themselves that way, but you're right. I mean, you put yourself in a position, you know, like a plane crash. You know, there's a soccer team that I can think of that crashed. I can't remember where it was at. And they started eating each other. As a person died off, they started eating one another. And, you know, you either do it or you die. And so, you know, I kind of understand that when you're, when you're talking about Sasquatch, are they a bloodthirsty going to kill you just to kill you and eat you just to eat you? that doesn't really make sense. But if they're in a position where they're hungry,

you know, a small child is easy pickings or an older person is easy pickings. And so it's sad. It's really sad. I know a lot of people want to think a Sasquatch is this big Harry and the Henderson type creature where you could bring them in, give them a beer, and that's not reality.

You know, I don't think the Sasquatch want to have too much human contact. I think they come in a lot of times because they're curious, or because they're hungry. But if you get too close to one, I think that would be the last mistake you would make, getting too close to one of these things. And that's my own personal opinion. I know some people, they think you can do the Jane Goodall,

and I'd like to see it done. I like the idea of it, but deep down after hearing so many encounters, you know, I'm at, what am I at? 270-some episodes, but I've probably talked to five to seven hundred people that didn't come on. on the air, and most encounters are not really happy encounters. There is a roadside crossing.

There is the ones where they just get up and walk away. But I do have a lot of encounters where it seems like they're very territorial in a lot of situations. I wanted to ask you a behavior question. I have had a lot of witnesses on where, and I'll clarify this a little bit, I'll give you a general blanket statement. Let's say there's an empty house that's been empty for a while, and it's out in the middle of nowhere. And then someone will rent it or they'll buy it. And then all of a sudden, they start getting terrorizing type behavior. And what I mean by that is this. They'll get the screams, the roars. I've had a lot of witnesses say rocks get thrown out the house at night. I've heard a lot of witnesses say they'll get up on the roof and run across the roof at night.

they'll bang on the house. They'll come up and turn the door handles, but they don't actually open the door. I've had witnesses that have been chased back to the home. And then I've had a lot of witnesses report strange things. Like, I'll give you a good example. I had one witness on. I can't remember what episode it was. But he was basically being terrorized by these things on a nightly basis.

And it seemed to happen mainly at night. And he would get some encounters during the day, he would have some experiences during the day, but for the most part, it happened at night. And I remember one time he told me, he goes, you know, I heard my dog, what I thought was my dog whining. And it was down in this ravine right next to my home. And so he thought his dog went down in that ravine and got hurt.

But he goes, there was something off about it. It was almost like a bad mimic of my dog. But, you know, right off the bat, I thought, oh, my dog's down there. So he goes down there. and he felt like he was being surrounded the moment he went down there. He felt like it was an ambush, like it was a trap when he went down into this ravine. Like this thing was mimicking his dog whining. And coincidentally, he used to keep his dog outside in a kennel.

And that's how I assume it would mimic that. But what's your take when they're banging on the houses? What advice would you give to witnesses? I come across this more than I would like, Tom. and I don't really know what to tell people. You know, you can light the place up, but in some situations, that really doesn't help. In some situations, it does.

I think, you know, we look at what transpired in the last week, you know. I think those ones that are aggressive and all that, you know, they all look cute and cuddly, and they're supposed to be all friendly in that, but I think those are the Democrats' assquatches, because look what happened this week. You know, everyone gets Trump, the Democrats, and all of a sudden the Democrats,

A lot of them, you know, they're still doing it. You know, malicious media. I'm just joking, but, you know, all honesty, what I look at is... Whenever I talk about politics on the show, I get like 50 emails talking about it. I'm a scumbag I am. Yeah. But I'm with you on it. I'm with you on it.

No, it's just... What we've seen was human nature. Yeah. You know, humans supposed to be civilized, colonialized, and educated, and, you know, all of a sudden, they're doing all this nasty stuff for the... drop of a dime no matter what political affiliation they are. They're human. So in Village Island with the Blackbears, when we weed-eated the village and opened up to all these fruit trees and it looked like a golf course back in the late 80s, early 90s, and one day, I remember

there's 23 black bears hanging out of the fruit trees in the beginning of August. You know, we've got cherries just ending out, thimbleberries in there. We've got apples coming online and plums. And it's looked like monkeys hanging out of the trees. but we knew those bears. Oh, there's lanky legs. There's Pudge Face. There's Bounce. There's Wallace, meaning big in my language.

There's Wallace Jr., his dominant son. Well, just by looking at those bears, you knew Wallace and Wallace Jr., you didn't even give them a wide berth. You just didn't go near them because there were such ornery buggers and they charge you and everything else. And we don't want to kill them

just for the sake of having to kill them because we pushed the boundary. You know, but lanky legs. You can walk under a cherry tree and look up at him, and he just looked at you like a monkey. He wouldn't even do anything. It didn't phase you that you're underneath them. So the Sasquatches, I've, I guess, you know,

I don't want to sound like Jane Goodall and Diane Fossey because I'm nowhere near the level of magnitude. Those two ever were in their times, and I don't ever hope to be anywhere near them. But being out in the bush long enough and, you know, knowing my backyard, which is the Western Broughton archipelago, through the years,

we realized that I just, started referring to this one Sasquatch out there is crease. All the Sasquatches migrate out of there come early spring. Because like I said last night, the clams are green. They're no good to eat. Too high chance of getting paralytic shellfish poisoning. They taste like green plankton. It is gross.

So the clams is bad. Humans aren't eating them. Sasquatch is sure as heck ain't going to eat them. So where's the next highest concentration of protein? up on the alpines, up on the high grounds, berry patches and the logging slashes, and further up right up to the snow line, retreating, getting all the carrion that's being exposed and so forth.

And baby critters all over the place. And we know already documented report of Sasquatches digging through an avalanche scree, I think they call it, where the boulders are all accumulated, picking rocks out, smelling rocks, going down into this avalanche chute of boulders, and getting balls of grass and plucking out the mice or ground squirrel or whatever was in there and eating them. Sasquatches.

So there's Cho and Ewan. And then how many reports of them eating fresh green leaves? All the reports, people seeing them, their lips, just like a monkey, eating the leaves. So we know they go up in the high alpine. I firmly believe it, looking at the migration patterns that I've seen established the Western Broughten archipelago in the last 30-some-odd years. and all of a sudden you got Creece reports in July, a report in August, a report in September, a report in June, a report in May, a report in February, pretty much 12 months of the year, I got reports of Creece Island, which isn't that long.

It's maybe two, three miles long and a mile of wide at the widest part. But 200 and 300 yards across from it to the west is Swanson Island, which is about seven miles long and about three miles wide. And then all around it is this the labyrinth of islands. But there's this one Sasquatch that seems to hang out on Swanson and Crease Island. So I call him Crease. But he's an asshole. He's throwing a log at my friend's troller that was anchored out in the bay on Crease Island.

He's throwing rocks at a kayak girl that had a couple days off. And she went to get away from the clients and hustle and bustle of all the tourists that summer. behind on the north side of Creece found a nice little gravel beach where I catch crabs in and she pulled the shore set up her tent went for before dark paddle got back just it was getting dark next to you know rocks are splashing all over and see in record time she slam dunked her tent into her kayak and got the hell out of there with boulders splashing in the water all around her kayak behind it that's Creece he's an asshole that's just his MO that's just the way he is he's a homesteader for a reason I think he's a homesteader down

there not going to the alpine reports i've heard of him walking he doesn't seem to be injured the tracking that's been seen he doesn't seem to have like the moth bosberg or whatever print any broken healed foot or anything so he seems healthy but he's got his attitude and i think it's just like some people are you don't want to be around them you got everyone's got a family member that you don't want to be around or invite the thanksgiving next weekend because they're so ornery, that's what creases like. And then with the incidents of Sasquatches, with the pattern that's been established through reports that I've read and researched, you piss them off, disrespect them,

shoot at them, run them over, hit them with a vehicle, you got hell in a handbasket coming at you. And you've pissed the whole tribe off, you've really got hell and a handbasket coming off you. And there goes back to the native teachings. and it was funny because last August we went up to my Indian Reserve Island that I built those cabins that look reminiscent of an ancient West Coast native village longhouses with native designs I painted on fronts or half the cabins but me and Peggy went up there and the new chief came in and we were just talking away and I told him I said you guys get any reports and the big fellas

are on you know why I'm like well you used to be rocks on top of the roofs of the cabins. Some stupid idiot removed those rocks. I highly recommend you put them back up there. He goes, how come? I said, you ever been to the Royal British Columbia Museum in Victoria? And he goes, yeah, I live

in Victoria. I said, well, you've been in there, right? He goes, yeah. And I said, you know that pexyglass display in the native Indian part of the museum that is the ancient Haida village of Skidans, I believe it is? And he goes, yeah, yeah, I know the model. It's got a long

houses, totem poles, canoes. It's what the village used to look like. I said, yeah, I've seen it. I said, when I was a young boy, I was standing there with my grandfather, and we're looking at that display case. And I said, Dada, and that's what it used to call my grandfather, Chief James All Seawood, Jimmy Seawood, James Seawood, the family members, we called him Dada. It was sort of our pen name for father.

It's sort of term used in Kwokola for father, referring to your father like that. So anyway, we called up Dada. And I said, Dada, how come they got rocks and the roofs in this model? You can see there are just pebbles, but they're showing you they were supposed to be boulders on these huge long-house, big-house structures on the cedar planks. And you've got to remember these big houses,

the planks were 20 feet, 30 feet long, three, four feet wide, two, three inches thick. That's how nice red cedar can split in logs. That's why they make shake and shingle roofs. Splits easy. So anyway, my grandfather looked at it, and he goes, oh, I remember when those young boys, living in the big house.

You wake up in the morning and there'd be snow all over your blanket. You'd look up and someone had used the long stick and move one of the roofboards. So get a lot of the smoke out, but they forgot to close it. And then it snowed. Snow ended up inside on my blanket because I was underneath it. He goes, so that's why you put the rocks up there because when the wall is yola, the big wind comes. It can blow your planks off. Now you're getting all wet.

So that's why the rocks are up there. Hold the planks down. And he started laughing, chuckling. And he goes, but also you're telling the buccas, your people have already throwing rocks at our houses. You don't have to throw rocks at us. And I laughed about it. And, you know, it didn't mean anything to me at the time.

But then you get these reports of things being thrown, rocks. Start out small, usually, pebble size, and they get bigger and bigger and bigger. and some cases if they're big boulders because the Sasquatch is pissed off and he's getting his point across. I'm not going to throw a pebble to tell you to get out of my turf. I'm going to throw the biggest boulder I can throw. And that's one of the things like when I'm out in bush, I always make sure I put a couple boulders up on the roof. I don't care if it's a tin roof or tile roof or wood roof or tart roof. I always make sure there's a couple of rocks up there.

So that, just in case, something looks. They always can be reminded, like my grandfather, Dada said, you people don't have to throw rocks. You have already thrown them at my house. So it's just one of the things I was brought up. It's a really interesting story. It's fascinating. This whole subject is fascinating to me.

I wanted to ask you, the one you call it, was it Crease? Is that what you called them? Yeah, Crease. How did witnesses describe that creature when they saw him? water taxi operator, we're going by that anchorage. Yachts always stay there. If anyone wants to see it, they can go look at, the easiest way would be look at Wagner's cruising journal.

It's online. It's also a book in all the libraries or one of the yachting blogs or whatever. And just go to Creece Island, C-R-E-A-S-E, Broughton Archipelago. And if you look at the south-eastern side of Crease Island, there's this big, long anchorage. Well, that's where that one through the log at that commercial fishboat knocked the door off two of its hinges. But Crease has been in there and this water taxi driver, him and I were going by there years ago. He was one of the first water taxi operators up in Northern Vancouver Island, probably in the early, early 1990s. He was a friend of mine at the time.

But anyway, we were going by Crease, and he goes, see that beach over there? And he was pointing over his left shoulder over the port side of the boat as we're going eastly, easterly direction. And I saw the bay, and I said, yeah, I said to Anchorage. He goes, yeah, I come by here a couple winters ago. And I looked like I am now. And I saw a big black bear down at the low water mark, digging for clams, I guess. Not that black bear's dig for clams.

I don't think they do anyway. I've never witnessed it. But anyway, he said there's black bear down there. low water. And all of a sudden that black bear stood up and it had its back to me and it just walked on two legs up to beach. But then it got to all that driftwood logs up top there. I remember this bays faced in east on the wintertime of southeast is pushing in there pretty hard so you're getting a lot of big logs in there. He said that bloody thing walked on those two logs with its two legs and just walked into the bush and disappeared. I said, oh, you saw Sasquatch,

Johnahua. He was, I saw something, but it wasn't a bloody black bear, because black bear if it could walk on two legs, no way he could walk across those logs on two legs. I saw something. And that's what he left to that. And all of the other reports, just the same, basically guerrilla type look, shape, movement, antics, I call it, shaken of tree, throwing of sticks, throwing of foliage of branches, chest pounding. One of of the fish farmers on Swanson Island because there's a fish farm on the north side. He reported chest pounding behind their cabin on the beach, house. So, oh, that brings up a really good one.

Birdwood Islands up in the northern part of the central Broughton Archipelago. It's called Birdwood Islands. And on the west side is a big fish farm. We have fish farms out here in coastal British Columbia and I'm not going to get into the politics of it other than what you're hearing on TV and on the internet is not true. The majority of the First Nations in coastal British Columbia work with support and are partnered up with the fish farming industry.

So anyway, this fish farm, I was doing seal control. Seals are a real problem. They're basically rats with flippers, pigeons with flippers. up here. So if you live in a city and you know what rats and pigeons are and I know you love them so much, well, that's how we look at the seals. Oh, we love them too. A little round-eye buggers or flippers, nothing but vermin eating all our fish overpopulated because as Indians eat our stuff from grocery stores and drive-thrus and home delivery. We don't eat from the land as much as we used to. And because of that, we're not harvesting seals, which is the main protein.

source for coastal first nations from Puget Sound all the way up to central southeast Alaska. So if you look at 35,000 to 40,000 quack-walk, you walk people in my nation prior to European contact and at contact before disease.

Do the math. If we're eating seals every week, you're probably looking at about 30 to 70,000 seals a year being harvested. So now they're all over to place. So I get called in this fish farm to do seal control, which I shoot the seals.

I take the hides and I distribute the meat to the people I want to eat it. And I was using quite a bit of it. So anyway, I'm up there just pink mist and seals left, right and center. And got to know the fish farmers who are all non-native at this site. And one of them was from Newfoundland, this big gentleman. And after you got to know me, he's just like, what do you know about that screamer? He said, where was the screamer? He goes, up there on that island.

Oh, he was mad at us. Screaming, screaming, screaming, screaming, running all over that island. And it's pretty high. It's almost a sheer bluff, but has trees on it. He says that thing was running and screaming. And he said, and threw a few rocks, big splashes. Those rocks come from way up there and had to be 150 feet island where those rocks came from.

He said, big splashes. and I said, well, you weren't worried about them coming to the farm and hitting your workers, where he goes, oh, no, no, no, we're too far. He said, but boy, it was surprising that you can actually see those big rocks coming, splash. He goes, then the next day, the screamer started again, but he was right down low above the high tide mark there. And he's pointing, and he goes, you see those two trees lying in the water? And I'm like, yeah. He said, well, he was screaming away, and all of a sudden, one of those trees fell down and splash.

kept screaming and that other one come beside it and fell down and splash. Then he screams and runs up the hill. And that's the last we heard him screaming and last we heard him doing anything. But some of the other guys in the other shift said he showed up the year after and the year after that screaming again. So right away he's got my interest tweaks. Of course I got a speedboat because I'm pink misting these seals and I got to retrieve them. So right away I ran over. I took a look at those trees.

One of them was roughly 13 inches. just up from the butt, and the other one was just under 12 inches. And they were about 45 to 50 feet long cedar trees. So one was cedar, one was hemlock. So they're a pretty bloody good size. And the root structure on them looked pretty solid. So whatever it was, I know a human couldn't do that. So, you know, he was ornery at something.

Maybe he was environmentalist. and then he was part of the salmon anti-fish farming industry, and he didn't like it. Another Democrat Sasquatch, I guess. Yeah, E.CENRSA reminds me of that loggers that ran into Sasquatch here in Washington State, I want to say back in the 70s, and these guys were up on this hillside, and they were running into all kinds of problems. Their equipment was getting turned over, all kinds of problems.

And one day they were out there, and they looked at. over and all the guys start freaking out because there's this huge gorilla thing that stepped out of the wood line and was just watching them. He honked, or not honked the horn, but he, well, basically honked the horn on the bulldozer. He was running to scare it away. And as he's doing it, it screams. And it was actually louder than the horn on the bulldozer. It overpowered the horn on the bulldozer. And so it's interesting to see them get upset over stuff like that. You know, for me, I used to really think that these things were an ape. And I think that they are. But I think there's maybe a little bit something more to them because you would think an ape wouldn't come out like

that out in the open to show disgust for guys bulldozing down the forest. Oh, absolutely. But, you know, look at the mountain gorillas. You know, you don't see them. You hear them. You know they're in the bush. You can't see them. They're like the jungle elephant. You can't see it.

And then when you do see it, it's too damn late because he's got you in his crosshairs. Sask Mountain Gorillas, when they get pissed off, they come charging at you. Look at Diane Fossey. You know, keep your head down. Don't run. You know, I watched her documentary show and read her book. And, you know, they ran the first. time or two, but after that they held their ground and didn't look at the thing.

Bluff charge, yes. Animal Kingdom, you know, everything's based upon survival. Let's go back to the law of the bush. Survival, survival, survival. So do you just see that female grizzly bear and she's in heat and that's June and salmon berries taste and sweet and the spell of green fresh leaves growing and she's in heat and everything's good. You've already had a few whoopies with her,

but nature dictates you got to keep doing whoopie as much as you can. But also nature dictates that the gene pool's got to be diverse all the time. And all of a sudden, another grizzly bear comes walking out of the bush. Does he just run straight at the big huge

thousand-pounder and he's 600 pounds and start duking it out, biting, and bear slapping and claw and roaring? No. God forbid. He just broke The Cardinal Rule, law of survival. If he did that, and he's 600 pounds, and he runs up to that 1,000-pound grizzly bear who's had a few fights a lot more than that young bear, he can get his ass whooped. He's going to get his tide ripped open.

He can get his eye gouged out. God forbid he can get killed. But even if he doesn't get killed and he runs away and he gets infection, he dies. If he's injured to a point that he can't hunt or harvest, he's dead. So the Bush code, the law of the bush is law of survival. You run up, walk up, your posture, you gesture, you might charge, but you knew it's going to be a bluff anyway because, God forbid, you didn't want to fight. You wanted to scare them away. So Sasquatches are the same, no different.

We know that they have nocturnal vision. You know, don't have to be a rocket scientist, only a fool would debate it. They're active at night quite a bit of areas. the law of the Bush is bluff charging. So when they charge you, you know, hold your ground. What advice do you give to someone who comes across one of these things? Take a picture. Well, you and I both know that rarely ever happens because people are in shock when they see it.

But a lot of people come across. And I usually tell people don't run trying back out of the area as quickly as you can, but don't run. because you don't know quite what you're up against. Run up to it as fast as you can. Reach between his legs, grab a handful of hair and skin, and pull like hell and run the hell out of there. Now you've got your DNA. Well, I'm not going to give that advice.

I ain't going to do that, though. I've been saying it all along. Disrespect them. Don't look at her eyes. Don't try to harm them. But then it's a double-edged sword. you know, we need to find out that they are 100% out there, meaning that's unquestioned.

They're there. And then we can start looking at what are we going to do about it now that we know they're there. So the only way we're going to get that conclusive proof is by reach between his leg and grabbing a handful of hair and skin and getting that DNA with a video camera going so no one can argue it. That's not going to happen. So someone's going to have to take one out. and so if you're out in bush, as I stated last night, I don't go out without a gun.

Will I shoot one? No. If it gets to the law, if the law of the bush kicks in law of survival, and it tries to go after my person, my family, my children especially, yeah, I'm not going to hesitate. I'm going to squeeze and I'm going to squeeze and I'm going to squeeze and I'm going to pop more bullets or shells into the chamber and I'm going to keep squeezing that trigger to that thing's not even twitching no more.

but will I actually go out and hunt it? No, absolutely not, because it's against my quack-wock-y-wock beliefs and my training and what I was brought up with. Respect it. But, yeah, someone's going to end up having to shoot it eventually. And from what I understand, I don't think we're allowed to in British Columbia no more.

I believe there's a law now that it's against the law of you do. But then again, it's like a human. It's against a lot of you shoot a human. But if that human in Canada, injures you and is attacking you, yeah, you can shoot them, let the air out of them. It's just self-defense then. So, yeah, with a Sasquatch, whatever law is in the book, you know, if someone is going to shoot it,

you better have a damn good story why you shot it because someone's going to come at him, especially if the DNA is very human-like or is human. You know, it's going to be a murder charge. So you better have, you know, your biscuits in a row before you even think of squeezing off. And if you do, you better think about the quack-walk you walk curse. Something bad is going to happen to you for harming it, trying to kill it, or even killing it. And if it isn't you,

it's going to make you suffer the curse. Your loved ones around you will start passing violently. That's just one of our beliefs. Yeah, and I understand that. And I respect that. I think that one needs to be shot and brought in. And it's like you and I were saying that or talking the other night. And I said, you know,

I don't feel great saying that. And I feel a little hypocritical saying that because when I was a hunter, back in my day when I was hunting, I wouldn't shoot anything I wouldn't eat. And there was times where I had good shots or bad shots and I didn't take them. Even though I probably could have tracked the animal down, it just wasn't fair to the animal to take the shot. So I feel a little hypocritical nowadays saying someone needs to shoot one of these things and bring it in.

But I think DNA isn't going to prove anything. You know, we have audio, doesn't prove anything. We have tracks, doesn't prove anything. I know a lot of these researchers, they say, well, you know, I want to get the, you know, a million dollar ticket of getting one on video. Well, Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin already did that, and it wasn't a million dollar ticket. It's been criticized ever since the 60s, late 60s when they shot that video. So I don't think a video is going to do it.

I really think that someone has to shoot one. I'd like to see someone shoot one like Cree, where it's, you know, a troublemaker and it's, you know, more or less a pain in the ass that people have to deal with. I'd rather see one like that shot than one that's not really doing anything. And I don't, and again for the audience, I don't take great pleasure in saying one needs to be shot and brought in, but it's just reality. You know, someone needs to shoot one, bring it in and deal with the consequences afterwards. And when I say consequences, I mean, no more logging, no more this, no more that, all that stuff's going to be shut down. But I'm sure the person that shoots one will be famous. infamous all in the same breath.

Oh, yeah, but, you know, money can't buy your happiness. So they say, but it sure puts your smile on your face repeatedly when you're spending lots of it. It's a commercial fisherman for years. At the same turn, you know, infamous, yeah, sure, there's going to be a lot of people that are going to be throwing things at you and that, but money buys you a lot of security. You know, they'll keep them at bay. That's the way I look at it.

You know, a lot of survival, that's what it's all about, you know. With Sasquatches, though, as far as... conclusive proof. I have faith in how good these camera phones are getting and other cameras. You know, like just how crystal clear our images are nowadays. You know, look what we're doing with this. What do you call it? I got a Samsung, what do you call them, Android or whatever?

Six. Man, you know, 20 years ago, you probably have to pay $30,000 plus for a camera to take images like that. Now it's on a phone. You can pick up for $99 bucks down there. the street. So I think, like when you said, what advice do you have for someone? Number one, you know, the guy who took the picture of that probable skunk ape rip it apart that stump in the swamp. And he's there for like two minutes and he's got his camera going and he's standing, pushing up above the little bush in front of him. And he was doing, did two big mistakes.

Number one, he was moving too much. Remember, never pan fast. Keep that thing. stable. He should have just kept it stable. And when that thing stood up, if you're man enough to wear camel in the bush, man up. When that thing stood up, what the hell of that guy doing running with his tail between his camel legs? You know, he's even got it recorded him running down the trail there. You know, come on. If you're going to go to the bush to hunt Sasquatches, man up, woman up. And it going gets tough and it gets thick. And you got that thing in lens and you're filming it. That thing bluff charges you don't even flinch. I can say that from experience with grizzly bears,

because when a grizzly bear or a black bear charged me in the past, I dropped to my knee and I start putting lead into their chest. Because if you're standing up shooting a charging grizzly bear or black bear, you have chances of going through shoulder, which isn't a quick kill shot. You have chances of hitting that sloping forehead and grazing off. And now you've got a really pissed off bear charging you, and he's already in charge. and so you get low and you dump in the sternum.

And then as soon as you know you got one shell left, you jump up. And if he's going by you still, you take a side shot and blow that inside shoulder that's going to buckle him and that give you enough time to run and put a few more shells into the chamber, turn around, and keep pumping and squeezing. So that's Bush law, law of survival. So what do you call it, advice to people, if you're going to dress in Camel and you're going to dress like you walk to walk and you want to talk, and you want to talk to talk,

then put your cajona's, big brass ones, in that camel outfit of yours and toughen up. Get that good picture. We need conclusive proof. And I have faith in the high level of cameras we've got now, even in our phones. Hey, the guys who are inventing the phones and the cameras, they've done their part.

Now it's our part as investigators, researchers, Sasquatch, Bigfoot enthusiasts. It's up to us now to don't do like that guy did with the camel. Put your tail between your camel ass and run like hell with your camera still going. You stick it out because we need to get that proof and it's going to come with a camera. And if not, you know, I'm not saying I'm a supporter of it, but, you know, someone's got to shoot one. There's the other way we're going to get proof. One time my brother and I were out in the woods and we actually filmed what people will call an orb.

I would say it was more of a ball of light, but I guess you're splitting hairs as far as your description on it, but it was a ball of light. And it was the strangest thing I'd ever seen. And luckily, I had my night vision camera going, and I recorded it. And I used to always balk at the people who said they saw those lights until I saw one. And the strange part about the light, and I can get your opinion on if you've ever seen anything like this, and maybe your opinion on what we saw, the strange part about the light, the more that we noticed it, it felt like the more it was noticing us. And it actually followed us.

And it wasn't a bug. It wasn't a, it was a ball of light. And I filmed it. And I can send it to you if you'd like. It was the strangest thing I'd ever seen. And the way it lit up was very strange. But when you were out in the bush for all those years, did you ever come across to anything strange or anything like that?

I always say, no. My dad brought me up that ghost. Lolliloch in my language. There's always a reason. And he'd give me examples. Like, he heard it was in a house. There was no one was in there, and you can hear footsteps. And he could hear the ticking of the big Ben wind-up clock,

tick, tick, tick, tick, and these footsteps. So he said, I was so afraid I could hear the ticking of the clock, and it was in the next room. So I went to check on the clock to make sure it was there because I was hearing a ghost, I thought. and there on the back porch were chickens pecking with their beaks on the ports. There's always no reason why, Tom, no such thing is ghosts. I'll let your mind get carried away.

So that's what I was brought up with. Respect to my father who was still with us. Yeah, ghosts are a bunch of BS hogwash. But every time I went to Village Island as the appointed Native watchman for the first couple years by my chief and council, then afterwards to run my tourism company in the summers, or if I was going out there clam digging or just went to go look around the village because I was out hunting for deer or what have you.

Whenever I go to, and I still do it, like if I go to an archaeological significant site, like Mount Island where, you know, I know that bad happening, a death happened there years ago before European contact, or I go to one of our rivers. And even when I go on a boat, in Northwest Territories,

Each week when I jumped on the boat, I'm half Cree. So what do I do? I bring out tobacco. I offer it to the four points of the compass. And like Todd Nice from the American primate conservancy said the other night when we were talking, three of us, he explained how when we got to Village Island on Operation Sea Monkey, Tom said no one is to record this. I hadn't been in the village at all in 2016. But soon as we walked in there with all of the researchers and crew from Operation C Monkey,

I gave the direct command absolutely no filming or recording for what I'm about to do. And like I did, every year when I went into Village Island, I'd walk to the front of the big house remains. Big huge, you'll see it on my Facebook, Thomas Seawood. You'll see these big beams of red cedar vertically standing and then horizontally on top of them, this big cedar log. That was the remains of one of the huge big houses, traditional West Coast native homes that people refer to as longhouses incorrectly. But that's where some big potlatches took place

and that used to be a family's home. It's from 1888, I believe, when it was built. But every year I go there and I offer my tobacco and I explain to my ancestors. Yela Kasla, my ancestors, it's Tom Seewitt. You know me. I used to be the watchman. Some of you know me when you were alive and on land walking with me in different places.

Well, I'm here to do this. And I explain why I'm there. I'm there to be the native tourism operator and clean the village up. I won't go on the islands where you're laid to rest. I'll make sure no one digs up the midden for Indian glass trade beads or arrowheads or bracelets of copper. Because it destroys our village. The sands washed down into our clam beach to make it into my. mud and we'll never have a clam boot.

So I explained to the ancestors with respect why I'm there, what I'm doing. Operation Sea Monkey, these niece, Nanut, Umama, these crazy white guys, no offense people, by the way. I always just do it, just joking. No, I know. And these crazy guys here, we're here to look for the Trunachah and possibly the Pekus. But they're going to have this thing that's going to be flying through the air that you might see, not in the village, but around the islands here. see this thing flying around that looks like a bug and it's got four propellers on it, wings.

It's called a drone. It has a camera. So I explain everything. And I did that every year that I was going to be cleaning the village up, building out houses when you see me digging in the ground. When I do find artifacts, you know, I'll bring it to the band office, to our chief and council to look at or whatever. They'll decide what to do with it. And I was given respect to the ancestors, talking to them, offering them tobacco in my creeside. And at the end of it, before I said, said in our language, halakula, go in peace. Before I'd say that, I'd say, and remember my ancestors. My dad brought me up not to believe in Lolliloch, ghosts.

I've never seen one of you guys or heard one of you guys or seen one of your float around lights. Let's just keep it that way. I'll be here cleaning the village up, so at nighttime, when I'm not here, you can walk through the nice open trails and use outhouses you want. But if you guys ever come out and go boo to me, that's it. Your village is going to be all overgrown, and outhouses won't have fresh toilet paper. that's what I've always done. It sounds funny, but in all honesty, it gave me security and a sense of calm.

So that when I lived in that village and I slept under that picnic table with a tarp over it because I didn't want to stay in my grandfather's old house because when I went in there one afternoon to grab something to drink because I was sleeping in there every night, all the garter snakes were coming out of the cracks and the floor and the walls. because, you know, the house was all busted up, no windows, no doors, and, you know, drywall was all broken, and all these garter snakes have their heads sticking out, and they're vibrating, and then the sun coming through the windows,

and, gee, God, I hate snakes. But that was it. I ain't staying in this house no more, because I'm the only warm thing in here at nighttime, and their infrared vision, they're going to come crawling my sleeping bag with me. I've heard those stories. No, I'll just go outside and weed eat all around the picnic table because snakes don't like short grass,

like a putting green on a golf course. And then I'm going to fry up all my bacon, and I'm going to spill the bacon grease all around my picnic table in a circle because garter snakes are deathly afraid of pigs. And someone told me, if you don't want to have any snakes come in your grass, just surround the perimeter with bacon fat. So I did that. Then as I'm lying down under the picnic table and my sleeping bag with my tarp over top and my candle burning, I'm like all content knowing that I don't have to worry about snakes. I don't have to worry about ghosts because I did the tobacco offering and they never bother me. That was my sense of security. Then all of a sudden I woke up.

I put bacon fat all around my picnic table. Man, that attracts bears better than honey. I was just thinking that. I was just thinking that as you were saying that. So out there in Village Island, there is an island that's very archaeologically significant. and it has an ancient pictograph on it. This was back in 2004, I believe. And I just had over a $200,000 aluminum tour boat built for me and my partner at the time, Kathleen,

and for our family's business, we had two young kids or one young son. Before we knew it, we're going to have the second one on the way of Brookie. But anyway, I had a family. You had two mortgages, house, this tour boat. My nephew was just born. Actually, Brookie was just born, so it was 2004. And because my daughter and my nephew, Justin, are both the same age. So my daughter was born.

She was healthy as a horse. And then my nephew was born a few weeks later. And he was born with a heart defect. And he had to go through all kinds of surgeries. And it was touch and go, as you can imagine, with the newborn child in a heart disease. And my father got diagnosed with a bad ticker, and he was going in for a quadriple bypass.

And my mom had something show up on a scan in your woman's business, and she had to go in and get this dealt with. And my mom being a crease, he's tight-lipped on all this kind of stuff. So I had two mortgages, new tourism company, new tour boat, new family, new baby daughter born, sick family. members very close to me that I loved dearly. And I had the weight of the world on my shoulders.

And I didn't know which way it was up or down. I was so discombobulated from all this flipping stress. And my dad was going into, I should be with my dad in two days when he's in this open heart surgery. But I have to be on my boat because I have to make money for the mortgages and everything. So anyway, we went up to my buddy's house and we're visiting and I got dark. So I'm like, okay, Rod, see you later. We're me and the boys. There's three of us on the tour boat, we're going back to Village Island where our float was with our accommodation on it. I was going slow bells by this archaeologically significant site on this island. And every time I went by there, it's an image on there of Bukbukwai, the cannibal from the

north end of the world. Yep, tweaked your curiosity in the viewers now, but we won't get into that because it's a secret society I belong to that encompasses Bukbukwala Nuksui and Kwokwak-Wak people. But anyway, every time I go by there, I say a little good luck piece for life and protect my family and so forth, which I just did. And it's dark. And we're going slow bells. We're going like maybe four or five knots, which is slow for a water taxi, an aluminum water Lamborghini that does 25 knots. So we're going dead slow.

And there's no wind and there's stars out. It's just beautiful night. And you go slow because you don't want to hit wood. You hit wood, you damage the 35,000 worth of drive out your back end. you're bankrupt before you blink and eye. So as we're going by the site, do the good luck piece to Bukbawala Nuksoi, painted on the rock wall.

And then all of a sudden, it was like an aluminum welder, it's green. You just saw this piercing green light above the high tide mark. And then all of a sudden, it got really bright, and all of a sudden they went, poof, into white light. It lit the whole bloody little bay in there up. And we're like maybe 100 yards from it.

And I distinctly remember seeing what that green light was. It was in an old-fashioned metal and glass lantern, which you would have a candle in, I had imagined, because you see them in the gift shops nowadays, in women places. And that was a woman in a white outfit, robe. Just like Stevie Nix's album that The Edge of 17 is on, it looked just like that. A woman in a white robe with this.

lantern that had that bright piercing green light that grew bigger and bigger and bigger and all and it exploded into white light that lit up everything where you can see the trees and the branches and the rocks and the kelp and it went out well right away you know remember what i said about bush up you know and something like this happens you don't run what i do i turn the wheel hard to starboard i kick up some r pms i turn on my bow lights i put out my hand spotlight and i illuminate that whole beach and we're going in fast and i'm like you guys see that you guys see that All four of us saw it. And I said, what do you guys see?

And then they start reciting what they saw. We all saw the same woman. But here she is with lights going on and spotlight and my bow lights on. And we're 15 yards from the beach now. And there ain't nothing there. So we're all freaked out. I was just like, holy smokes. I finally saw a lolly loch ghost.

Wow. Been out here almost 25 years. And that's the first. So as we're heading back to get the boat back on track And we're heading slow back to the dock I just had this feeling of peace It felt like someone came and lifted The world off my shoulders

And I had this sense of Don't worry about it, Tommy Just do your thing with your tour company Your dad's going to be fine Your mom's going to be fine And your little nephew's going to be fine And you know what? they were all fine that summer and all three of them were still with our family and I love them the pieces and that's the only time anything ever happened.

But you got to remember, I used to live in Village Island. Curve of time, Wiley Blanchett back in the 1920s went there in her little cabin cruiser with her children. And she talks about the ghosts in the area. The owl called my name. Very famous book from the late 60s, early 70s that was made into a moment. movie and it talks about that village. I've been in that village. I've been in other places around there and I've had people come up to me and talk about orbs and talk about seeing flames and hearing children screaming

and the list goes on and on the war canoe. The porpoise hunters paddling around. I've heard that story repeatedly up there. I hear all these ghost things. Do I ever see them? Do I believe them? Yeah, I believe in them. But am I going to see them? No. Why not? because I talk to my ancestors and out of respect, I tell them why I'm up there. And out of respect, they don't come out and go boo to me. So as far as all that kind of stuff, yeah. And on Operation C Monkey, when you're up there and we went to where my trailer is a native anchorage,

yeah, all the equipment. And it's on, we got it recorded on film. All of our equipment was shutting down and not working. One after another, even my brand new handheld VHF radio that the captain bought. specifically for Operation C Monkey that had only charged batteries who didn't work and it's all captured. One of our camera people, Victoria Williams, who I work with, you know, she all of a sudden went from happy go lucky, chitter-chatter, laughing Victoria to freaking out and trembling. And I thought she was going to peer herself or run for the boat and start swimming to the big boat.

This hell in the handbasket all of a sudden erupted. and in the recording, you could hear the squealing, electronic type interference squealing for like two or three minutes when they reviewed the tapes when we're on that island. And then when we got back to the boat, everything started working. Was it, you know, a ghost?

Maybe. I don't know. You know, I didn't do my tobacco offering there that day. I'll know that. But it wasn't maybe a drone flying over ahead and EMFs pulsing down because the government didn't want us to find Sasquatch? Well, you know, I'll leave that to conspiracy theorists, but something definitely happened out there.

And I have seen one happening, but I have heard about so much. And do I think Sasquatch is tied into this? And do I think they shape shift and cloak and turn into orbs and all this stuff? Absolutely not. They are a living breed. pee like us, men standing up when they're males, and squat when they got to do number two like male and female humans do, and when they get cut, they bleed like us, and when they get angry, they get angry and they show it. They're just like us. So there you go.

And I appreciate the answer. One of the last questions I wanted to ask you is in the First Nations culture, do they have stories about giants that are not Sasquatch related? Not on the West Coast. Yeah, we talk about Klaeslaegila, the supernatural one. Depends on the family who's telling it, but it's indicative across Turtle Island about the supernatural one that came. And it's with the Kwokwok you walk, I've heard versions where he was light of skin, light colored eyes.

One guy told me a story where he actually had blonde hair. But Klaegila, son of the sun. He was a little mink when he first came. and then all of a sudden with the transformation of animals into human beings, he took on an image of this fair-skinned man, Klaigula. But he had magical powers, but I've never heard anything of him referring to him being giant. And the only giants I know of are Chuna'u, wild woman of the woods, male and female. And then, of course, the double-headed sea serpent, sea youth, which is,

is your, what do you call that dinosaur-type thing that's still swimming around out there? They see them up, and they call them the Bell Isle Sound monster up by Kinkum. In Kinkum Inlet, there's a place called Bell-Ile Sound, and there's all kinds of stories about that dinosaur-type thing being seen there. My father saw it outside of Port McNeil in 1958, the year of the record Socki return on the British Columbia Coast. that's the Sisioth double-edded sea serpent Kumakwa underwater seagod

Kui Kwanala Thunderbird and that's a whole another story that another night we'll talk about that and what that possibly was but as far as giants go

no well I appreciate it Tom I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me I always enjoy talking to you I really do and I'll have to come down there or come up there

or not down there but come up there and visit you but I can't thank you enough for coming on the show and just taking the time out to talk with me. I know the audience, they're going to love having you on this show. So thank you so much for coming on. Oh, no problem.

This is for everyone out there. Remember what we talked about, you know, Hamumu Adventures, Peggy's operation, my partner in life. You know, I'm down here for a couple more weeks off and on back and forth in Canada. But she's doing the Seattle Sasquatch tour and doing the Bukustan.

and the Junahua dance and the masks here. And I'm always carving, so I'll make her some more Sasquots-related stuff for showing. And of course, the walking tour in Seattle, which is the Juno Chua welcoming pool and dancing down in Pioneer Square, walk up to the Seattle Art Museum and see the amazing quack-wak-y-walk collection of Junahua in there, house posts, and other things related to the Kwakwakwak-Walk, my people.

And then, of course, going over to the Burke Museum. which is just filled with Chuna Khama'amask, and even have a male one in there, I believe. But they got some amazing things. They even have that stone in there that was found in the riverbank. That's a Sasquatch carving. They don't even know what it is.

They think it's just some club. But anyway, like I say, if anyone wants to hear, try not to text me or ask me to do emails because I get like 20 emails a day and it's too much to type. But definitely give me a phone call. You got the cell number for the Washington State. and you got the phone number for the landline.

They can leave a message and I'll call them back. And then if they want to do a Sasquatch tour, whether it be on Seattle or come with me in Canada, I'll bring you out in the bush. We can stay at one of my kayak camps or we can go deep in, which I like to do and go spend a couple. Actually, if you're going to come out with me in bush, five days minimum, you know, do it, do it right.

Otherwise stay home and watch it on TV because it's great up there, especially going out and eating all that seafood. Eat like a Sasquatch, I call it. Live off the beach, low tide, and catch what you can in the shallows. Sounds good, and I'll have to come down there or come up there and do a show while you have guests up there. And I'd love to see it myself. Okay. Thank you very much.

You want to do another one? I got, like you say, we haven't even touched on the legends yet. Yeah, no, absolutely. And we'll have to do another show on it. But thank you again, Tom, for coming on. You're welcome. You have a good weekend. rest of it. Thanks, Tom. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter,

shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And for me, to you guys, thank you every week for allowing me in your living room or on your iPod or on your computer. I know there's a lot of people that listen. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen. Thank you so much for allowing me to come into your life and hear the show and enjoy. the show and I just wish everyone the best. You know, I hope 2017 is a great year for you. I wish you nothing but the best. And if you're going through a tough time, keep your head up. The sun will rise tomorrow, I promise you. Until next time, everyone, have a great night. Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week

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