Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:279 Encounters in Louisiana

Episode Date: December 4, 2016

Tonight we speak with Branden and Hazel, and they share with us what is going on around their property. Branden writes, "I found human like foot prints but it was not human. Finding these tracks bothered me so much I had the game warden come out to the property to look at them. He said it wasn't human and it wasn't a bear. The ground was so hard during that time of year it was next to impossible to leave an impression but this track went down 3 inches or more. Whatever left those tracks was heavy. Several weeks later I saw what left the track. This thing was black and huge. I could see it trying to hide and when it knew I was watching it, this thing got up and ran through the bushes like a truck, knocking over everything in its way. Hazel says "Late one night I went out to get something out of Branden's truck and this thing was standing by the truck. It was about 8 feet tall and 1000 pounds. We have always heard whoops and whistles over the years but assumed it was the cattle ranches calling their cattle." Jim Lansdale will be joining the show and share his thoughts on what is going on and around the property. He recently went out to research the property. Jim is one of the cast members on Killing Bigfoot on Destination America and team leader and co-founder of the GCBRO. Tom Sewid will also be stopping by to share a First Nation story with us about Sasquatch and the "Booger Boy."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. What's going on now, sir? That sort of a bitch is about 6'9, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Crime. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Hazel and her son, Brandon. And they've had some very interesting things going on and around their property. And I know they even called Jim Lansdale. out from Killing Bigfoot TV show on Destination America, and Jim will be coming on later to talk about this property. But if you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance

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Yes, sir, thank you. Mr. Mike told me if you would be calling. If you would, kind of start from the beginning. Did you, has it been ongoing activity there at the house? Or is it a one or two-time type of occurrence? No. When the people came here to do the show, they did a show here for seven days. They was here for seven days. And they found a lot of activity out here in the yard in my garden and back here at the pond.

And then me and my son, Brandon, we had went in the woods and we found some tracks and we called the game. What's to come? We called the, our local index to come, Sabin Index to Come and look at the track. So we cast it. And then we got to hope to Mr. Jim. And then Mr. Woolley, he got involved. So they've been around here for a while. Oh, I got you the Killing Bigfoot Show with Jim Lansdale?

Yes. Now, Brennan, you're Heasel's son. Tell me about some of the things that were going on around the property. What kind of things did you notice? I found the first track, and how I found it was just by accident. Somebody was harassing my grandmother down there. Shined a lot in our house. We figured it was some little kids, you know.

They even called the shared department trying to catch them. and they there was even you know patrolling trying to catch figure out who it was but anyway they'd done it one night and I told my dad I said maybe they come in from the wildlife management area side on full wallers

so I'm gonna get up in the morning and walk down the road we got a road through our property and walking down that red clay road to see if I can see any tracks human tracks well down there when we

the game wardeners put up a gate at the edge of our property and they told us we can because there was an access road going into the wildlife management area so we're going to shut this row down show on both sides of the road when we got to the got to the to the uh fence row it's a little it's a little cow trail going down to the pond but the cows ain't wasn't on that side for pretty many months i walked down that down that cow trail ways because we had poachers before forecutter fence and coming from that side because like I said the road comes all way up to right there so I was going to see it so maybe they breaking the fence and

coming in from that way well I just got right off the road not even maybe 20 yards and I seen the track it was during summertime it was hot it was dry there's one little sandy place there and it was a depression was deep into the to the sand Well, Mr. Jim knows. You know, I'm always been outdoors when I know what's going on in the woods and stuff. When I seen it, Daniel, it freaked me out because I knew it, I knew what it was, but I ain't ever seen one. So I eased on out of the road. I came back to my truck, and I really didn't know what to do.

So I called my uncle, Mama's brother. He was the Chalkal Apache Chief at the time. He said you need to call the, you can get up, you need to call the index and he called the Sherry Department to come cast a track or called the Sherry Department and the Sherry Department said we don't do that. We're going to send out wildlife and fisher. I got to the house, the index man said he was calling to be on his way, but he said that we need to go back out there and cover up the tracks on our animal walk through the

track. And so we went back out there. Mom and then we got a butcher shop, so Daddy brought a big gut bucket to cover up the track. And the time we got back, the index man was here, and I brought him in there. Mama, she just had a surgery, and she wanted to go in there with us. And he could drive right up there close to, like I could sit as a road. And he took pictures and everything. He was a big man jumping up down, you know, trying to.

imitate the track. I told him, I said, you can break your foot, keep doing that. You know, he said, I could see it was real, real heavy. I said, I know. I see, that's what freaked me out. I said, I knew it was a big foot track. I said, I knew it was real, real heavy. I said, you know, on the process and plant, you know, we all know.

I see all kind of different animals and nose weights and stuff, cows and stuff. I said, I knew it was real, really big. That's what really freaked me out. So he took a bunch of pictures. and he covered the track up for me. It was a center block. He put the center block back on top of the gut bucket.

In time, we came out back to the gate out of cow pasture. The wildlife fish was there. That's two of them. I told them, I said, I got to bring him back to the, up the road there, back to the house, to his car, and I'll be back. They was kind of cocky, which I told Mr. Jim there. But they followed me on in there,

and done the same thing. They were just like me. They were kind of freaked out. I mean, I'm taking a lot of pictures of it. And then the other one, he started looking on the fence row. It didn't dawn on me then what he was doing at the time. But then I said, oh, you're looking for hair. He said, he didn't really say anything.

But he said, yeah, he said, that's a weird track. And he wanted to know, he said, what's down this trail? I said, it's a pond down at the end of the trail. He said, oh, it is. I said, yeah, it's a real rough thick down there around that pond. And he said, well, I see it's thick going down there to the pond. I said, right. They took pictures, and then we left.

That one game owner said, well, you can probably go to Walmart and get the stuff called Plash the Parish. Then I sent Jim them email, and then it went along. He contacted me, and I sent him. It was another group, too, another lady she came later on after Mr. Jim. and then I started looking, paying more attention, started really kind of looking for the tracks. And then they ran a pond,

I found all kind of tracks that were made cast of. I put a lot of this stuff in the paper, you know. I put it out there at the public, let's a public decide. I mean, you see the tracks that we put in the paper, you know, you can see that it's a weird track. It's a freaky-looking track. found a lot of trees. I call them a Freddie Cougar tree.

They're like, you know, something with a big old call just ripped it up. And broke a bunch, broke, bent over and broke a bunch of trees around there. Found dead hawks. I found dead hogs in the woods, tore up. And send pictures of Mr. Jamlin, pictures, and stuff like that. But then, but then other times I'd be walking around looking for a track one time, mom and them had a box stand I got hurt on the job

and I wasn't really able to do that so I just went one day just kind of hobbled down there to check on it they'd been blowed or blow it over the guy lines was holding it keep her falling hitting the ground two legs was on the ground two legs was up in there I was just standing by that thing

and it's thick around there by the pond away from the pond about 300 yards and then I was saying something landed by me well I knew it wasn't a limb because it wasn't no trees right there around me something was throwed at me

and then I started hearing that whistle stuff I could hear it walking back forth through the thicket but it kind of had me blocked off the way I walked in it's one little trail walking in I said well I ain't a lot of something what the hell I'm gonna do now I say you know it kind of got me hemmed up in there so I kind of got

freaked out then I finally just kind of started saying some bad words and say you know get on, you know, I thought I might have been a hunter or something like that, but finally he just walked off. But when it walked off, it walked off, you know, with that little low, like whistling. That happened three or four different times. Then I heard the wood knocks.

Then I can hear the whoops different times. But in the England times, across the road here from our house, this is where I'm talking about around the pond is a different place. It's probably about a quarter mile from the house. Now, across the road here from the house, it's the same thicket, thicket like woodland. And they would hear the whistles, and then the hoops, the whoops. They would be talking like back forth towards each other. And one time, Daddy was, well, what had happened, they had cut the timber.

And Daddy was piling up a bunch of brush tops out here in the yard. we live on 17 and a half acres of land but the family property here is about 250 total down the road and he was burning on the brush tops and that's when he started hearing all that whistling and whooping that one evening and Mr. Jim and Mr. Mike said

there was probably, you know, ticked off because of all the smoke you know but but far as them actually coming up in the yard that was when Mama had seen it at that time what she had told you

was really the first time that we actually seen it come up you know actually seen it in the yard now when Mr. Jim then came

I brought him one time before before it even done the show it's a little trail up in the woods there and then they had

a place baited for the wild hogs a bunch of wildhaws on our property and a wall house had a big waller right there when my uncle name I showed Mr. Jim

then after they'd done the show this was about maybe a couple months after the show I was going down there checking on the place because I was going to set my little girl up there to shoot a little hall but when I walked down there my uncle named was on the other side of the hill down there there was bush hogging and using a power saw

there was knocking and banging it's a big hill there and then down the hill where they was at, but it's all thicket. Well, I was easing down to the little hog trail, and then I got about middle ways of the ridge, top of the ridge, and I looked down at the end of the trail down there. It was a little straightaway, old road, what it is to grow it up, pine thick it around it.

And then I've seen it down there. I've seen that black spot, and it was looking at me, but I could always see it from, like, waist up. But as soon as it, it knew I've seen it, and hit the dang briars. I think it sounds like a 10-point buck tearing through the dang briars. And I seen it like sideways,

and that's really freaked me out. And then, and then Mama seen it at that time here in the yard. Then she's seen it another, I don't know if it's the same one, but she had seen another one. Something. Yes, it was,

it was a weird looking too. But that one time I seen it, My brother has seen it years before, and then the one she had seen here in the yard wasn't long ago. Let me ask you, Brandon, and then we'll jump to Hazel. I wanted to ask you, before we talk about the sighting, the track that you found, can you describe the track? What was the size of it? What did it look like to you? What was it that really bothered you about the track?

well you know it kind of like a barrier track but I knew it wasn't a barry track because it was too long and too wide and like I said

it was in the sand and you could see the outline of the impression real good what would bother me about the track because this was I believe it was around in the June or August and it was hot

the ground was real, real hard. A muscled up man probably would have a hard time digging a post toe, using a posttoe to try to dig a post hole because the ground was so hard. And it was down, and the impression was down in the ground at least three to four inches. Oh, wow. That's a heavy. That's what's what freaked me out because I knew it was real, real heavy, you know.

I knew no man, no country, you know, walking and something like that, but we got to worry about that problem because there ain't nobody over there on our place anyway. It's interesting that Game Warden's reaction to it, almost like they were kind of looking around for other evidence. Yeah, like I said, they was freaked out. They was taking a lot, a lot of pictures with the cell phones. And I just said, well, what did you think? He said, well, we don't, that's what he said.

We don't know what it is. I mean, they admit it to it. We don't know what it is. All we know, it's weird looking. It ain't no, they said. It ain't no bear track. I said, well, I knew that. I said, I knew it wasn't a bear track.

He said, well, then they said, you need to put up a game camera or whatever to know for sure what it is. They wouldn't come out and say, you know, yeah, that's a big foot track, but they acknowledge it wasn't a human track. And they acknowledge it wasn't a bear track. So, you know. Yeah, I'd love to see the track. I'd love to see the track that you captured. Now, when you saw, from these tracks to where your home is, what kind of a distance are we talking about? About a quarter mile, maybe a little further.

So pretty close, actually, pretty close to the home. When you saw the creature that time, can you describe what you saw? Was it more or less just kind of a black blob looking at you, or could you see any details? No, I could see his head. it was sideways to me. It was hiding them, hiding a bunch of little young saffling pine trees. And it was a lot of salt fires around there real good.

And it was hit pretty good. But I guess once it knew I picked him, you know, just being taught, you know, in the woods, you know, look for a deer, you know, like deer or a haul, you know, look for an ear, look for a nose, look for anything, you know, while you hunt and it was just the same thing when I was doing. but it knew that I had unpegged it. But I could see his head, you know,

it was funny looking up the top like calm, like around it, you know. And I could see it had real big brawl, his shoulder, sideways. I could see half of its left side of its arm. It was all muscular looking. But it was, I guess, about from the torso up is what I could see. And then when I kind of, you know, kind of went to moving like left or right to try to look at it better, And that's when I knew I picked it.

It was like, you know, might be like a second or two, and that's when it hit the dang briar. It sounded like a dang bullhift turning through there. Yeah, they do when they go through the brush like that. They sound like King Kong going through there. I wanted to ask you, what, how big do you think the creature was? That one was probably around seven, maybe eight foot tall. Yeah, that's interesting.

And it was all black? Could you see any details of the face? I mean, was there anything that you picked up on? did it? I couldn't make no details of the face. Like I said, standing behind them in little saplings, you know,

all the little green saffins had that kind of broken up, but, you know, it just, I could see it back there, you know, you could help see it, you know,

at black and behind the, behind the green, you know. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, Brandon, you sound like an outdoors guy, and I know you guys are,

I mean, it sounds like you've, you've been a woodsman your whole life. Have you always known about these things? or what was going through your mind when he saw it, and he saw the track? I mean, did it, a reality hit you while these things are real, or did you already know about them?

What were you thinking at the time? Well, down the road to the left of our house, it was the lady she seen it there. Her husband, her and her husband, both was just as of the face. They live, I went to school with their daughters. they live about, I want to say, maybe three to four miles from our house up the dirt road. And then when they seen it, they done the same thing. They called the, well, I believe it was Swali, the little town of the Swali police department to come out.

I think somebody did come out, but then, you know, it was gone when they seen it on side of the road. and then another time their road that they live on at the end of the road runs into the wildlife management area too and a gang wardenar was coming through there Mr. Gentry and it's a big highlight before you get to their house

then it's a pipeline on the other side of it well he's seen it run across the road and he come to Mr. Ebar's house and said you got a big guy gun. He said, yes, sir, I got a big gun. He said, I don't have a big enough gun in my truck. I seen, he

didn't say a monster. He said, I've seen a big animal. I don't want to go back and look. But that's what it was. But that's what he had called it. And when they went back, but naturally, you know, it was gone. Then they had a

German Shepard dog, yard dog. And they live in the woods, a little bit more excluded than we do. We live way out in the woods, but we got neighbors, but they got big pastures in between the landowners of the people who live at a distance. But the dog come up missing, stayed walking all the time, and it finally came up missing.

Then it finally will come up there in their yard about the same thing, but knocking on their trailer and stuff, and they end up moving to Shreveport, Louisiana, because it would stay harass them all the time. they was on the Finding Bigfoot show but that was you know that happened years ago

and then like I say you know our native people would talk about it but you know I never never seen a track you know no and that was the first track ever was seen the one that I found they just seen it they never did find

no tracks you know and then like I don't know how many years or later and then like I told me Mr. Jim, then whoops, I really never did pay it in the amount. I probably was hearing it for years, but out here is so many cow cattlemen.

I said, hell, I thought it was the cattleman calling the cows. But once I started paying attention, you know, Newton, knowing that so-and-so ain't out there feeding us cows, you know, that the cows was fed yesterday. Then the next day I went here to whooping.

I said, Now he said, now you're paying attention. Here with Mr. Woolley, said, you know, now you're paying attention. You've probably been here at your whole life. You just ain't paying no attention to it because, you know, all the cattle went out here. I said, well, yeah, I always thought somebody was calling cows, but it wasn't nobody calling cows. Yeah, that's really interesting. What is your thoughts on these things, Brandon?

And we'll jump to Hazel here in a moment and talk about what she saw, but what is your take on these things? What's your feeling on them? Does it were you at all that they're that close to the house, or does it not bother you that much? Yeah, it bothers me, like I said, that one time, what happened at the box then, you know, I don't know if they just was throwing it to like, the scare me off or it was trying to hit me whatever it through. I know some all, bunch of all-filled pipe around there that was cut up through the woods where they drilled all-was a long time ago. I never did go look at what it was, but that's what it sounded like to me. Something that heavy, a big rock.

It was a big old whoop. Another time down probably 150 yards down there. It's another stand that's on the ground. And they done the same thing, but it was two of them at time when they was whistling. And my one and them was sitting on a porch. And I had a shotgun. I never did know they was out on a porch that I got back, and they heard me shoot because they were asking. And what did you shoot at?

I said, well, I was down there just looking at the stand. I said, and that thing, that's what I call it that thing. I said, it was two things. I said, one was on the other side of the fence, the Grand Reserve side, one was on our side, going pacing back and forth through the woods, that whistling crap. I said, so I just shot it because it wouldn't go away. Like, they had me hemmed up.

That's the only way I could go back. Like, say, you know, disabled will have to walk either with a cane or with a walking stick. Ain't like I couldn't run from it, you know. And then it went long. I never to hear it no more. It was gone. But like I told Mr. Jim then, it was probably like six years I wasn't able to hunt.

And all that time, see, all that air around there was calm. Nobody was going in putting out dairy corn. Nobody was going out there jerking on spam, getting up there, and knocking, banging on stands, and said, what it was, they was mad at me because I was going in their bedding area when all the other years were they had out through itself. Oh, I got you. That actually makes a little bit of sense, yeah, that they would show up in that area because no one's really bothering them. What I find interesting is that the game warden told you to put up game cams. From all the witnesses I've ever spoke to, a lot of hunters,

a lot of people have these things around their property. moment they start putting up game cams, all activity stops. And so it makes you wonder, that's an interesting thing for him to tell you to put up game cams. Because from what I've researched and looked into this and investigated and everything else, they avoid those like the plague. So I thought it was interesting. He told you to do that. Have you seen fishing game out there anymore around your property? Yeah. Yeah, they are here all the time, you know, because like I said, the game, the game reserve butts up to all our property. On the other side,

matter of fact, the game reserve got 120 acres release from us. That's not counting the two something. But anyway, on the other side, that we would hear a lot of the sounds and stuff, but we wouldn't really go on that side. Mostly the stuff was happening on our place

because, like they said, it's so thick. Jim never see it. I mean, when I say thick, It's thick. We've got tall, big pine trees, but between the pine trees, the pine saffinous grew back natural, natural growth, and it's real, real thick. And Heasel, how long ago did it come up to your yard?

It's been about two weeks. Two weeks. And what time of day was it when he saw the creature? It was dark. Walk us into what you were doing, and if you would, just walk us into what you saw, what you experienced. Okay, he wanted something out his truck binoculars, so I said I would go out there and get it. But I got this little flashlight, so I clicked it, I got at the door, and I clicked it on to shine. But I wanted to shine more, so you have to click it some more.

So I got to the top step, and I was fooling with a flashlight, and then I shined that away, so I ran this truck the way I had to go to the truck, where he got it up. front of the shed. But as I was full with the flashlight, I was on the top step, fixing to get on the second step, and that's when I seen it, it was standing there by my husband's truck.

And what did I say? I said... You say it. See, I got COPD, and it got C-O-P-D, and it got me so excited, I said, oh, hell no. And what I did, I thought it was going to jump on me. So I started

reaching for the screen door, which is glass that has a handle on it. So I started fomming around with that handle trying to get in the house without turning around. And I guess it heard me moving that handle around. So then it shot off behind this building that we got, we call it the smokehouse because that's where we smoked meat at. And then it ran off and I didn't see it anymore.

But it wasn't black. It was brown. Yeah. How big do you think it was? This is what I told Jim. I told Jim. Jim was about eight foot tall when I called him, and it was about 1,000 pounds. Yeah, that's a big boy.

And it was just standing by your husband's truck? Yeah, you're just standing there. Well, the reason I thought, and I told Jim that it came up here is because I just got some bitties, baby chicks, that is, what we call them bitties. But I had 400 of them in a building here. And I also had what they call heating lamps, that's to keep them warm. so that building was kind of glowing red, and then all that sound was coming out of there,

and like Jim said, he thought that it was curious. That's the reason he came here to the house. Yeah, you could be right. You absolutely could be right. For the audience, can you describe what you saw? Was it just a tall brown creature? Were you able to see any details? He was huge.

We got a small bar here in the house, and when I talked to Jim, I told him it was as wide as that barn. It was huge across the chest. And his arm, his whole body was huge. What did you think when he saw Hazel were you? Obviously, you were scared trying to get back into the home. Yeah, I was, yeah, I was scared.

First, I was going to try to holler, but I couldn't get it out. So that's the only thing I knew what to do was start reaching for that door behind me and get back in the house. But I didn't want to turn around because I thought that thing was going to jump on me. Yeah, I don't blame you. I think I would have been terrified, too, seeing it right there in your yard. Does it worry that it came up that close to the home? Yeah, you know, I don't be going around out there at night when there little flashlight. You know, even though I got three security lights out there, now I have a different kind of light. But I don't know what to say, but that, no, I'm not scared, you know, just frightened to death.

But I was scared when I've seen it. Yes. Yeah, I don't blame me. Most people, they, you know, they want to see these things, and then when you see them, it terrifies you. It does. Yeah, no, yeah, it does. It definitely, you know, and you know that from firsthand. Did the creature vocalize it all?

Did it make any sort of noise or anything? No, but I... The man, he lives up the road. He lives up the road, and he's an ex-cop or he's his cop. And he was out there shooting his pistol, which he does it all. the time. And it's hunting season here now. Yeah, A.R. And so I don't know if that made it mad or what, but he does it though all the time.

All the time, he's like smells in front of us, but it's through the woods. And he was out there shooting a lot. We had company that evening. And they said, well, what is that sound? Well, then we started hearing it. But I wouldn't have tell the lady that I had just met, well, that's big what whistlet's making that sound. because she thought I was crazy, which I'm not. But I knew what it was when I heard it, but I wouldn't tell her. What kind of noise? Because she asked me, she asked me, what is that sound?

Oh, I don't know. But I wouldn't tell her. I already knew what it was, but I wouldn't tell them. Yeah, no, and I can understand that. What kind of noise was it making? It just makes hoops, like hoops and whistle sounds. But I don't heard that before many, many years ago. Oh, so you've heard it out there before.

Oh, yeah. One time I was clean a deer. Let me tell them. You can tell me your part. Okay. I shot a deer down the road. It's years ago, 20 years ago or more. Between my grandma's house is about not even a quarter mile, maybe that.

But I shot a deer here. And it was lightning. I didn't have no flashlight. So I came home, got my brother. brother, Russell. He was young then. Me and him was tracking it. I had the flashlight, and he was falling behind me,

and I was letting him stay at the last blood. Then it was tall tumor across the road, all tall tumor. I was finding good blood. Pieces of long in the blood, you know, kind of pink, looking for them looking. I said, well, the deer ain't far. We got

in the woods about 200 yards. Then I started hearing that dang sound. This is the first time that probably we knew you know something was weird you know we call it a booger is what we call my brother was getting scary as asking what's that sound

I had like I didn't hear him I said it ain't nothing this was quite a deer but it really was freaking me out like here it was what it was doing it was a whooping sound there was a howling sound but it was in a distance well

we were fine where the deer would stop there'd be a bunch of blood and then it would take off again. And then I said, well, the deer can't be too far. Then we found one big bunch of blood to last, and that was it. It wasn't hardly no blood. I mean, you know, that's what got me puzzled. But then the sound was real close.

Well, I turned around a little back. He got scared. He was gone. He walked back out to the road. Well, he said, he's right here in the kitchen. He ran back out to my truck. He was by my truck. anyway, so I come on

back out with that little rinked thing flashlight we had. Well, we didn't know when we come back up the driveway, mama, she was on the outside skinning the deer, somebody had to drop off to be processed, but they had the deer, they had the hair and everything on it.

They didn't want to skin it. We do that, you know. But they, she was skinning the deer. And I told my brother, we didn't figure she heard the sound because it was kind of, it was kind of windy, but it wouldn't windy enough where you couldn't hear it. You could hear it really good. And then she's the first thing she said, she said, what's that sound? I said, you hear that? I called it bugger. So you

heard that bugger sound? She said, yeah. The only thing we figure out was Jim and Mike said between the blood off the deer I got and then the blood off the one she was cleaning. that's what attracted it. But like I said, that they, uh, more likely that one, well,

it was just one, it got my deer. Because like I said, a big pull of blood and that was it. It wasn't no more blood trail. They must have got it. But what was mad was, they said that we was still consistent

trying to find my deer. And they didn't want us around there. Well, I say they, I mean, it didn't want us around there. and then too you know it smelt the blood of another one so it thought you know maybe i had shot too and they wanted that one too but the other one was up way up the up the road here not even a quarter of a mile maybe about 500 yards but she was cleaning the other deer see i got too that's what they said

that's what they figured you know that more likely is that it got my deer and and it didn't want me me and my brother pursuing the blood trail to try to try to to get to do, you know. That's when it was, it kept, get closer and closer and closer. You know, you guys call them boogers down in the south, and I know down south, especially folks that live out in the country, they hear them and see them a lot.

And rarely do they ever talk about them. That's why I really appreciate you guys coming on the show and talking about it. But that was the first time, like I said, that was like 20-something years ago. And then we didn't hear nothing. We sing nothing, no tracks, nothing like that. You know, I heard the little sounds where I thought it was somebody in a blue moon, what I call it, that it said I thought it was somebody calling cows,

but I didn't hear no whistling or nothing like that. And then until I got hurt, I got, like, oh, nine. And then, like, every five, six year time span, with nobody going in there, like, you know, going in there, except if there's no deer stands or anything. Yeah, leaving sin everywhere. So like they said, they had the whole little land down there to the cells. And when we started going down there looking around, they didn't like that.

It was irritating. Yeah, if you guys ever had any animals come up missing on the property, any livestock come up missing, I realize, you know, when you live in the country, you have predators that come in and take. sometimes No. Well, we got a lot of animals, halls and chickens and rabbits and stuff like that, but no, we ain't never had nothing come up and just kill it.

No. Yeah, that's interesting. You know, these creatures are fascinating because sometimes on people's property, they can become violent and aggressive really quick. It kind of sounds like that was what was going on with the neighbors that ended up moving, that you were talking about, Brandon, where they'll come up and just kind of terrorize you.

And it doesn't really seem to be that in this case. It seems like they kind of leave you guys alone. I mean, they're around the property, and they're probably killing deer and killing all the wild hogs, but they're not really terrorizing you guys. They're not really coming up to the home and banging on the house or throwing rocks at the house or, you know, just completely terrorizing you guys. No. No, just in the woods when we end up around.

like where it's like a good, where it's a good place where like deer or hogs or something like that, that's when the only time that they get like aggressive, like I say, you know, they'll throw something or they'll knock up, like a wood knock up on a tree or start that whistling close to you and stuff like that. Like Mr. Jim Nams said, you know, they know when you got a gun, you know. And then like I said, you know, I shot that one time and they went on. but they was they were freaking out they were pretty

that's pretty damn close to me going back to forward back to forward back and forth and then maybe about 20 yards inside the ticket I can see nothing and that bad ticket

it's really really thick so I just shot into the ticket and then and then I didn't hear it no more it was like you know they wouldn't even there yeah that's interesting well be careful popping off shots like that

I mean, not necessarily, you know, because if you hit one of these things, just again, from talking to witnesses that have shot them, it tends to go bad pretty quickly after you shoot one. If it's not the one you shot, then another one pops out. And, well, you know, Hazel, Mike's your cousin, Mike Wally's your cousin, how aggressive they can be. And I'm sure you know the story, you know as well, Brandon, how they can come out. And you never know how they're going to react or how they're going to, you know, like Mike Wolley's encounter. I thought Mike was in danger that day. I really did. I don't think they were toying with him.

I think the only thing that saved his life was having that gun and firing off that shot. But the strange part is... Yeah, you know where he's seen them. It's not too far from here. But see, we didn't know that. You know, all these people that came here and done the show and everything.

And then Mr. Mike started coming. And then Mr. Mike told me, told us, where that happened. She's like, Miss Rosey Borr happened to her to the left of us, and then what happened to Mr. Mike to the right of us,

it's probably about the same distance, five or six miles. So we were wheel and the middle between the two, both, you know, both instances, what,

what had happened. That's interesting. We live right in the middle, right in the middle of the wildlife management there. See him and Mr. Jim come that time and that's when he had told us. But like I said, they didn't came out here and they talked to us and game water and

all that people then came. Then later on, you know, I was a long time after. And that's when Mike said, well, you know, Brandon up the road there, but, you know, so in some place. I said, yeah. He said, that's where I got ran out of woods. You know, that kind of freaked me out, you know, because like I said, you, you know, it ain't, it ain't far through from us.

it would be like if you live in town, you know, but five or six miles from us, it still would. You're still in reserve either way. Oh, yeah. No, five or six miles is close. That's really close. I had no idea that Mike's encounter was that close to you guys.

That's very close, five or six miles. And that's interesting. That's really, really interesting. So this activity's been, this isn't anything recent or anything new. obviously finding the tracks or you seeing it, Hazel is new, but it kind of sounds like they've been there for a long time. Been where? Living here? The Sasquatches have been around that property for a long time.

Oh, yeah, probably about 20-something years. Yeah, because I think Mike's encounter happened, what, back in the 80s, didn't that? Early 80s? If I remember right? Yeah, something like that. Yeah. Well, be careful out there, guys, guys and gals. Please be careful.

Brandon, do you ever go back out and look around for tracks or anything? Yeah, I went out today, you know, looking around when Mama, I called and told Mr. Jim, and then Mr. Jim came, went along after. Man come from Shreport with a video camera and, let's see, him, Mr. Jim, another man there. Two more men came with Mr. Jim that we ain't never met. Well, Mr. Jim and another man came the other day, but I went here. I was going to check my little daughter's stand, they're on stand. And they went here to talk to me, so they left.

Then when they came back, this, what happened to Mama, then they came back this other time. They had a guy there with a camera, and I brought them down there and showed them, you know, like what the tracks were. and here like video the pond and then you can see like the thickets, you know. I mean, if it wouldn't be for that road that's in there

between there, you couldn't get in there unless you make a trail with a pile of saw. Bulldozer, I mean, it's that thick. But that road going in there, see, I found tracks going up down that road and little juvenile tracks too.

Little bitty tracks on that road. I found before. where the old deer hunting stands were. We made a round through there. And on the head of the pond, it's a branch that comes out of the wildlife management area feeds the pond. I found tracks there before that I put in the paper. There was a big track there that I found there two different times.

I guess they feel like they're still on the back between our ticket and then the real bad thicket over there in the corner of the fence on the wildlife management side they walking down that fence road because it's clean walking probably like a bush haul one bush hall glang wide but it's even bush tall but it's just that cling you know through there it's a little sapling here and there but they're walking down there and they're crossing right there in that little muddy place there when they cross that little branch what it is when they cross that little branch there. I get a track every once in a while, you know.

When we came back to the house, they want to look in the yard to see if we can find some tracks because they're getting ready to leave us. Yeah, we can do that. So we looked out in the yard, out in there. In front of the yard, it's like a pretty big field. They find some here and there. It wasn't really good ones. Then we'll walk down the road in front of the house as a road.

of Parrish Road. And then we got all the way around almost to the driveway. And then mom and them got a garden. They found, like, some up in the garden, but it wasn't very good. And then I got up there where they was at because I was looking on the side of the road. And then I could see, and they filmed that where it came out of the road, and it came up the ditch because there's a pretty big ditch there. up to there where they was at

and you can see the deep impressions where it climbed the bank from Mr. Jim said that it looked like a, it was a big foot track, but it don't look like the same one you know, that came from the same one that looked like a smaller one. As we said, you know, they've been

they've been around here a lot. We just ain't been seen them in the yard to find a thing that one. Did you ever go and talk to the cop that's popping off shots with is there 15 and ask him, are you target practicing,

or are you actually shooting at something? Because I wonder if he's seen him, and he's popping off shots at him. That's what he does. He's target practice. He got dang. I was in the woods that day, just looking around,

checking corn on stands and stuff like that. And I can hear all that dang shooting. I said, golly, it's fun. But that day, most time he shoots a pistol. But that day, he had to have like an AR or something like that with a big magazine because, I mean, it was just like nonstop, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, pow, and he done like that all for like 30 or 40 minutes. You know, he had time to drop another clip, and he must have time to put another clip.

I mean, it was just nonstop shooting. I said, dang, he's shooting up the world over there. But that's what it is. He just retired, you know, he just likes to shoot. He just be shooting like it all the things. time when he's here he lives in Baton Rouge when he ain't Baton Rouge there he'd just be shooting a lot do you ever go up and talk to him and say hey listen there's some things out here right have you ever asked him have ever seen anything strange out here try to have a conversation with them about

what you guys have seen and what you guys have experienced no he's kind of seclusive you know if you see him in the yard he'll go inside his house they don't look to be like social people you know, like, soon, then, like I said, he's kind of like shooting, too. I don't really want to go and talk to somebody, you know, because, you know, you never know. You know, out in the woods. You don't know how people are, especially somebody just stays shooting all the time, like they're crazy, you know. Yeah, 30 minutes straight with an AR, that's a lot of ammo to burn through.

So you're probably right. He's probably just off shooting just to shoot, you know. You guys will have to keep me up to date. Let me know what happens out there on that property. You know, it's scary enough to run into these things when you're out hiking or when you're out hunting. But when it's, you know, that close to your home, for me anyway, it would worry me a little bit that it's they're that close. You know, especially after hearing Mike's encounter, you're talking, you know, five or six miles from your guys' place. That's really close.

But when you're out there, I guess, you know, what are you going to do? There's not much you can, it's not like you can just pick up and go. You know what I mean? Move to the city or that would just worry me, especially after Mike's encounter. counter and it coming up that close. That's pretty, pretty ballsy for that thing to come up and be standing out by the truck. Yeah.

That's what I was saying. You know, that's why at one time, you know, I just, I just shot to the ticket, which I knew with nobody around there, because, you know, it's on our land, you know, and I knew what nobody, my brother going up down through here, you know, I knew what it was because I don't, you know, I don't sing the tracks and everything, it was in the paper and stuff. but it was two of them.

And like I said, you know, it's like that, I don't know if they were stalking me or like Jim said, you know, it might have been two juveniles or am I been two females, was mad because I was around the little ones or whatever, because if we don't find the little tracks and Jim don't found some little tracks and that was just trying to, like, intimidate me. That's really what they've been doing, you know, a couple of times. It was like one time they threw her off and this other time here where they were really, really close. It was like they was trying to intimidate me, you know, when they were just, they're just like walking back and forth, pacing back and forth.

And the other side of the fence row is a little branch, but the little branch ain't very wide. It might be maybe 10 yards wide, and it's another ticket, and then another one on the other side was doing the same thing, you know. I didn't have nowhere to go. And then when I shot, you know, everything just got quiet. I didn't even hear him walk off. Like he said, Jim said, they didn't even run off, Brian. He said, I was common sense.

They knew you had a gun, so they're more likely what they'd done. See, I thought they walked off. We were talking about that day. He said, no, they just got real, real still and let you leave out from there where you was at. They knew not to come to you because, you know, like you said, they know what their gun is, you know, because I hear it all time popping in the woods. He said, yeah, that's what they've done. They got real, real still.

I got the heck out of there. Yeah, and that's interesting, Brandon. You know, you being a woodsman and you knowing this and Hazel and everyone else knows this, you fire off a shot. A normal wild animal is going to run. I mean, it wants nothing to do with that gun. It's going to take off. And the behavior of these things is so odd for it just to be quiet and let you leave and just be silent at that point. You know, that's not normal animal behavior. What do you think a booger is, Brandon, in your opinion? there's no wrong answer. I'm just curious on what you think these things are. The way, if it's a buger, like I say, you know, if you would, if it wants to do you something, it's going to do you something, you know. If you, if you didn't have nothing to defend yourself, uh, like you said, you'd be up to creek without a paddle. You couldn't fight it all. I know I couldn't, especially now being hurt, but you, a grown man, uh, that was able to body couldn't fight it off. But, so let's see more than one.

you wouldn't have a chance. But yeah, and then like I said, too, you know, if he was around as little ones or if he was there where you were supposed to be or come up around a kill that it didn't kill, you just would be in a bind, you know. It would, it would. It probably would kill you. If it wouldn't kill you, you'd be all busted up, you know. Be almost left for dead.

But then, too, you know, like Jim said, you know, they like to play. pranks on people. They're like, they're like, that's what I was saying. Like they was intimidating me that day, you know, like I said, you know, they might have been too just like, and it might have been too young ones, you know, those like picking at you, you know, because they knew you weren't supposed to be there, but they didn't want you there. What do you think they are?

Do you think it's just a non-human primate? Or what is your opinion? Do you think it's a monkey running around? No, I think it's, I think it's just like our ancestors, you should say, you know, it's a big foot. Just a creature out there in the woods then. Right. Yeah.

No, I hear you. I hear you. Well, be careful out there, and I sure appreciate you guys coming on the show and and sharing the encounters and what's been going on in that property. And again, please, please, please be careful with these things. Because, again, you never know how they're going to quite react to you or their behavior. If they start coming up, you know, Jim's a good man. I always enjoy talking to Jim, and I love Mike Wully to death.

I talk to Mike all the time, and I know those guys would help out in two seconds. But please be careful. But Brandon, thank you for coming on, and Hazel, thank you for coming on. Yes, sir. Good, thank you. Well, I want to welcome Jim Lansdale to the show. He's a cast member of the series Killing Bigfoot on Destination America, and he's also the founder of the G-Saint.

T. BRO, and Jim's a great guy, and people have heard him in the show in the past. I think most of the audience loved hearing his encounter stories and all this stuff he's looked into with Sasquatch. And, you know, I know the killing Bigfoot, for people, it might be easy for people at first glance to be very critical of the show. But, you know, as long as I've been doing this, Jim, very short amount of time, I really respect what you guys do. There's so many people that come to me and just say, hey, we need help. I can't get these things to go away. We need help getting rid of these things.

And, you know, it's like, who do you call when something like that happens? You can't call the cops. And most of these researchers out there, I don't know if I'd invite them to my property. I think what you guys do is a good thing. I mean, it helps people. If nothing else, it helps bring a peace of mind for people out there who are having real problems with these things. But welcome to the show, Jim. It's good to talk with you again.

Well, thanks, Wes. It's good to be here. several things that you mentioned, and there's a place down there south of me. A young lady called me, I don't know, several months back, and they had a family down there that was being completely terrorized by Bigfoot. Terrorized. And so they invited some researchers in there. They came there and hung some cameras, so forth, whatever they wanted to do,

and had the complete run of the place. They didn't do anything, didn't get any picture, didn't find any evidence very low, but the girl called me again and said this place is crazy with Bigfoot activity down there. And they won't even want anybody in there that's associated with Bigfoot, you know, any type of research, because people went in there and, you know, it's her hobby. They want to get a picture and tell everybody they're a Bigfoot researcher, and they do more damage than they do good,

especially when you get around these Bigfoot that are real aggressive. And some of them that we have here in the South are aggressive. Well, it's one place that I was at today. I hung a three-camera video system down there, and this lady walked out, I guess, Sunday a week ago, something like that. And it was right at dark, and she stepped on her first step and just looked up. She said there was a nine-foot, big foot, standing there, staring at it, within 39, 35, 40-foot.

Of course, she scared the crap out of her. She called me. She could even talk, Wes. It looked so bad. And so we went down. We did some investigation. She showed us where the signing was. It was just having to be on the pasture side of the truck where she got a real good look and a good estimate of hot.

And she and her husband butcher animals. So she's a pretty good guest at weight. And she said she thought it weighed a thousand pounds. So that's a big creature for here. Last night, she and her younger son going to town. she gets out on the road and she said it was a baby big foot she said estimated weight about

15 pounds started running down the middle of the road and she said she followed it for over 200 yards before it finally bailed off the road she told me she could have run over it at any time that she wanted to she could even thought she could get out and caught it but she was afraid to do so and

I guess retribution of what could happen. It's been female the mother was there which is very possible but when we talk about aggressive bit, but that's exactly what we mean, some that are just relentless coming around your home. And the one when she walked out and saw that nine Twitter, I found impressions in tracks before.

So that's not his first visit. Her dog stays on the house, barks all night, and it's just terrorizing them, you know? Yeah, and that's why I respect what you do. You go out and you really do help these people. And not that every researcher is bad, but I even had a lady here in Washington State contact me one time. I think I've told this story on the show and wanted me to come out and check out her property. And she had been noticing these large, she just described them as apes. She goes, I don't know if that's what you guys called Bigfoot, but there's apes out here running around.

And she said every once while they come up and bang on the house. But they never really, didn't even really bother her dog. Her dog would bark and, you know, didn't really have any problems, but she wanted me come and look at the area and see what I thought. And I couldn't make it out there. It was about a two-hour drive. I just couldn't make it to the property. Well, she'd invited some other researchers here in Washington State, and they went out there. She called me all upset that these guys came out,

and I guess they started popping off shots at every little noise, every little tree break they heard. I mean, they were just, I mean, reckless, reckless popping off shots. Well, these guys get to go home. She has to live there. That's right. But they get to go home. That's exactly right.

And what ended up happening is it killed her dog. She had a German shepherd and it broke the dog's neck. She came out one morning, couldn't find her dog. And his neck had been broke and he'd been just thrown in the yard. And they got really violent with her. I mean, they were banging on the house almost on a nightly basis. They'd come in at one, two, three o'clock in the morning. They threw rocks at the house.

There's a couple times she got rocks thrown at her when she's going out to her car. They'd come up and growl at the windows. and she said the behavior changed. And she was so upset with those guys because, and I get it, kind of frustrated me when I heard it. I was like, well, that's easy to show up on someone else's property and start popping off shots, but you get to get in your car and go home and not worry about it. But the people you leave behind, they have to now deal with your actions.

And I've seen what you guys do. I've had you on the show many times, and I really respect what you guys do. I wanted to ask you, I just had Hazel and her son, Brandon on the show. And she had mentioned several times you'd gone out there. And I'm going to write Destination America an email demanding when the next episode is going to be on of killing Bigfoot because I know you guys were out there. And anything you shouldn't say, you know, because the TV show, there's a question

to ask you. Just say, hey, I can't go into that. But I wanted to ask you, what evidence did you find going out there? Well, we found tracks of six or eight different animals, you know, get him. impressions from small to large. A lot of wrestles and growls and howls and a lot of vocalizations that we were there. One man had a siding. One fell, I think, had the stints put on him.

He was there. A tremendous area there, but they're probably adjoins with a WMA. So, you know, they're just miles and miles and miles of what we'd consider wilderness areas, you know, that people are going in very seldom or maybe a hunter goes in on occasion. But, yeah, it's definitely a hot spot. These people are getting tired of, you know, these people come around or home. And you'll see when you see the program, you'll see the, one of the owners, the man, the dad, told me he just quit hunting.

He's afraid to go in the woods. So, I mean, that's a hell of a note. You're 60 years old or 55 or whatever it is and hunted all your life on your property. and now you're afraid to go hunt, you know, because of these creatures. And had they not been coming around their home and bothering them, and they'd already got their dog if they could catch him. But he's under the house. He's pretty smart.

You know, he'll get up and loaf a little bit during the day, but at nighttime, he's under the next house. As a matter of fact, Russell told me today, and Brandon told me today that he was under the house all night last night, barking. So, and yeah, I know it could be a deer, an armadillo, or anything like that. And it very well could have been. But it also could have been some of these big foot coming around their home again, because I found tracks around her home, so in close proximity. Same thing that goes on around Goldana, Wes. It's, uh, it's just a mess. It's kind of

simmered down at Golda now, but at one time, my God, if you want to see a big foot, that was a place to be. Because they were everywhere down there at one time. What's interesting is there it's Hazel is a cousin to Mike Woolley. And you know Mike really well and you know his encounter that that happened to him. And I was shocked when Hazel said his encounter only happened five. I can remember if it was Hazel or Brandon, but said it was only five or six miles away. And I was like, what? And because when you hear Mike's encounter, I mean, he has one hell of an encounter.

And between you and I, I think Mike was in some real danger that day. but being so close to their property is what worries me. Why do you think that they're in that area? It's just a wilderness area. I mean, it's rural enough, but yet then again, it's populated enough. You know, those fishermen all up and down, you've got the Toledo Bend and the river. There's plenty of food, plenty of cover, plenty of water. That's why they hang.

I mean, that's their habitat right there. When I tell people to go to Toledo Ben and Sabine River, if they want to research Bigfoot or find evidence, that's the place to go. You can't find evidence of a Bigfoot if you don't go where they are, and that's where they are. I know Hazel talked about seeing one one night when she was going out to the truck, and she describes it as being about nine feet tall and about 1,000 pounds. And what's interesting is she had mentioned she just bought a bunch of chicks, and she had the heat lamps on and everything else.

Do you think they're just coming around for curiosity on that property? or do you think that there's some real problems going on there? Well, you know, it could be curiosity as well as some type of, you know, food looking for something to eat now. They haven't lost any animals that I'm aware of as of yet. That doesn't mean that they're not because when times, you have to understand, that place is hog heaven. There's just hogs everywhere. A lot of deer, a lot of hogs. Play of food, meat for them to eat.

but these ones that are aggressive come around, they're curious, and they come around these homes, and they find out it's easy to get a dog or a chicken out of a pen than is to run or catch a deer. So that's how it starts, and it progresses. Start in the trash can. Of course, like I said, it's a slaughterhouse down there. They skin and clean animals for a living. And, of course, they haul the guts and stuff up, but still the smell is there. Yeah, that makes sense.

And she didn't mention that to me. Heisel said she hadn't lost any animals. because I asked her that specifically, and she said no, they hadn't lost anything. But it's one part that I thought was interesting is when Hazel said, and I think even Brandon said this, when they heard the whooping, they always assumed it was the cattle ranchers down there, roping in their cattle or trying to bring their cattle in. And so they never paid it that much attention. And now that Brandon's seen one, Hazel's seen one, and they're finding these footprints,

it's interesting because, you know, a lot of people will pass things off like that. They'll hear strange whistles and pass it off as a bird, or they'll pass it off as someone just, some person out there. And Brandon, you know, he told me he found those tracks. I wanted to ask you, how many tracks are you finding? Are you finding different sizes of tracks out there? Sure. We find them different sizes, yeah. anywhere from six or seven, eight inch impressions up to 14, 15, you know,

which is not uncommon for this part of the country. Just, you know, we haven't found any real good products because it's a dad dumb dryer. Needs them right, desperately. But, yeah, they're, I'm telling you, Wes, they have them of all sizes. They have the female, they have the male. I mean, obviously the female, because, because of the baby last night running down the road and why that baby got away or spooked or whatever.

I mean, I just have no idea. But where it went in the woods, like I said, she followed it for about 200 yards. And she showed me where it went in the woods. And, of course, it was thick like you would not believe. I mean, without my wirecutters, I wouldn't have attempt to go through there. While I was there, what it was doing, I have no idea. And when you go out to a property like this, Jim, what are you hoping to accomplish Are you trying to get pictures of them?

Are you, how do you deter these things from coming around beyond just shooting? Well, there's, yeah, there's certain things I do. And I like to walk the property, and I like to look for their sign. And when I find their sign, then I try to find some type of area that they're traveling back and forth in, and then I set up in those areas. Then I know what I'm, you know, whether sit up cameras to video or whatever. and they know that we hunt when we go down at night

they know we're there so we're not fooling anybody these aggressive ones really don't care at times they're going to come anyway we've had that happen several times one of the films you'll see that we shot southeast Texas the security light came on one night

and we had a hunter there two other people were there and they actually thought they saw the animal yeah they're aggressive they'll come see you yeah no I tend to agree with you on that you'll have to keep me up to date and let me know what happens out there, Jim. I would love to have you back on for an update,

have Hazel back on. And I know Brandon, he was a wealth of information when he was just on talking. And I really enjoyed talking with them. And, you know, I love the... Good folks. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. You know, the people from the South,

especially the country folk, are my kind of people. You know, that's very kind, very generous people. And, you know, very straightforward on what they saw. saw. There's no, nothing else added, nothing else taken away. I just saw this and here's what it looked like. But it worries me in that area, especially after hearing Mike's encounter. And I think they, you know the area better than I do. I think they've probably been in the area for a while. But the fact that they're coming up to the home worries me a lot. Well, you know, Wes, here's the thing about it is they've been coming around these people's

home forever. They're just now starting to, you know, realize. say, yeah, there's something around my house because surprised that the people that have Bigfoot come around their home, they won't even tell anybody. They won't even mention it. I'll think her crazy. Yeah, I'll have to have you back on Jim Lansdale, Killing Bigfoot

on Destination America. You can also find Jim on Facebook, GCBRO, cool group to join a lot of information that you guys post on there. Jim, I'll have to have you back on. Thank you so much for coming on and just giving us your take on what's going on around this property. Okay, Wes, I enjoyed it.

You have a great night and I'll talk to you later. Thanks, Jim. And I want to welcome Tom Seawood back to the show. If you go to Hamumuoo Adventures, you can join one of his expeditions. I know he'll take you out. You know, to look for Sasquatch, talk about some of the First Nation legends. And there's kayaking trips, there's boat trips, take you out and into the wood. woods. It's www.hamumuooadventures.com.

Tom, thanks for coming on the show again. Yeah, La Casa. Nice to hear from you again, Wes. Thanks for inviting me on again. Yeah, it's good to hear from you. Tell us about an upcoming expedition that you're doing. Well, the magic of your Sasquatch Chronicles podcast, that was being overwhelmed with emails and private messages, Facebook messages, posts about people.

wanting to, I guess, go out in the bush and experience with me, Sasquatch Bigfoot. So a few years ago, I had a website and a tourism company that was called Aboriginal Adventures Canada. And I advertised a Sasquatch Bigfoot expedition on there, and I never got any takers, you know, and other than just day trips and, you know, one overnight. but this time with it's just overwhelming all the people and then of course I'm on Facebook nowadays and I'm always talking about Sasquatch Bigfoot so I just thought well Peggy and I were sitting there and she has the Hamumu Adventures which means butterfly in my native language and she does glamping which is high-end camping and sea kayaking

and walking tours and that she's just building the website right now and we said well don't we start and do a Seattle Sasquot Safari where we walk them through and share the First Nations perspective as I was talking about before. I wanted a podcast. So we did that and got some interest. And then there was a lot more interest for multi-day overnights. So I just saw this week. I just sat at the laptop and designed these packages.

So right now Peggy is going to try to get two more on the website, Humubleadventures.com. but if they're not up there, the yacht tour and the boat tour, one that brings you deep into the coastal British Columbia Coast, just email me through the website or my personal email, which is Wes has put up, and I'll send you the PDFs of the packages. It'd be interesting to get out there with people. I look at it like, you know, that's my backyard.

And, you know, when we're out there and everything clam digging or fishing or living, It's so cool that you can just walk off a beach and go look around. Next, you know, you're seeing broken cockle shells and heavy accumulation. Tree snap in one area. Or two different areas I saw tree snaps and pretty high up too. I guess maybe call it three now with that one we found during with Todd Nice when we did that operation in Seamoke. We found some branches broken like as far as I could reach. I guess 510, 5'8.

So as far as I could reach here is tree snaps, so branches snapped off. So there's quite a few, quite a bit of activity up in that region. And I actually just got an email from someone this morning. And on Vancouver Island, a place called Beaver Tail Lake, this fall she was trolling. And for trout. And they had tree knocks and branches being busted quite a few times. They went back a couple weeks later, just late fall here in this time of the year. And sure enough, they heard something again.

So when I get back to Vancouver Island next week, that's the first place. I'm going to go straight up there and go look around Beavertail Lake on Vancouver Island. I know you're doing something in January. Is that open to the public? Oh, yeah, definitely. January 8th, we had the first booking on the Moved Adventures for a Sasquatch expedition. It was really neat. gentleman contacted us and asked for some info and then confirmed yeah I'm there I want four days

four nights which is five days so we're going to the camp on Vancouver Island that were I have some cabins built that look like cedar miniature native long houses slash big houses with native designs on the front they're very rustic I built them for summer use years ago and what we do with the five or six cabins is we when it's cold. I've been out there in wintertime when they're out hunting one time. It was probably, I guess, Fahrenheit. It was probably around just above freezing.

So I guess it would be 33, 34 degrees. It was pretty cold with the wind. But you just put candles. He light half a dozen, eight candles and put them on the two by four, um, horizontal studying on the walls and on a bench. And because it's only eight foot by 10 foot, these cabins,

garden sheds. They really heat up. And right on the edge of Johnson Straits, watch the whales go by. It would be humpback whales this time of year and transient orcas that eat marine mammals and other whales. And then, of course, the ships going by. And then that whole area is a lot of activity. It's right beneath on the west side of a mountain called Newcastle Ridge. And on the south side of that mountain is the community of Sayward, Kelsey Bay, on a lake. Vancouver Island East and man there's a lot of I live there for seven years and everyone's got a story in that region, loggers, truck drivers, you name it, helicopter pilots. And so we're going to spend five days, you know, not actually fact, what's going to happen is because

the way I take bookings for Sasquatch tours, it's not, hey, I have two weeks off in January, I'd like the book. Tide levels are key this time of year on the, coast of Pacific Northwest Coast. There's low tide, of course, but every day it fluctuates and distant, that distance that it does go low. So the way they have it calibrated is they have what they call a mean high tide, which is the highest of high tides, which happens once every few years. And we just went through some 16, almost 17 foot tides recently. But the low tide mean number is called zero tide.

That means the tide goes out and it goes way, way out. So you're looking at a drop of 16, 17 feet to zero. And those are what we call clam tides. Because you want to get as much beach is exposed in that short period of time. You know, you've got six hours between tide changes. So if you have a small tide where it only goes down to say maybe six and a half foot low water, the big cockle beds aren't exposed. They're still underwater.

So you need those zero tides. and the minus tides, minus 1, minus 1.5 feet, so that it exposes the lower parts of that beach. And that's where you're going to find your cockles, your heavy accumulation of butter clams, horse clams on some beaches, which are really big. So when you, people call me or email me, they go, oh, when's your next expedition?

The way I operate is on Indian time. And I like to say that because, you know, as natives are kind of like the Mexicans with maniana, you know, tomorrow. So Indian time, if and when we show up, you're damn lucky we showed, I like to say. But in all honesty, you can't Indian time doesn't work in tourism or business or anything like that. So doing these expeditions, Indian time means we're looking at the tides. So when someone calls me, I say, let me look at the tide book. So I go to the tide tables and that's what's happening on January 8th through the 15th.

We got some nice low tides. I think they're getting down to two foot low and not, it's kind of hard because I'm Canadian. I always want to use kilometers. So about a kilometer from the cabins is a nice shellfish beach. So I guess miles terms, that would be a third of a mile. There's a nice shellfish beach. So we'll be, and a low tide happens at dark,

just when it gets dark, which is good, because it means we'll get to the beach, hour before dark will set up in the bushes, depending on which way the wind's blowing too, mind you, because hopefully it'll be a southeast wind, so we're downwind on the beach. And as darkness comes, that beach is going to get nice and exposed

where the shellfish are. And we're going to watch with our night vision devices. Listen, I just, we're going to buy some of these, me and Peggy were in Bass Pro Shop last weekend and we're pricing out toys that we can use, I call them.

And those ear muffs that year, that are sound enhancers, man, that's magic stuff. I tried out with Operation SeaMonkey. I was just amazed at how you can hear such good distance and sounds. So we'll have those. We're going to buy a couple pairs of those. And then hopefully those big fellas come out. And the way everything's laid out there,

that we're right at the base of that mountain, and that's the only place that there's shellfish. And if we look at that trout fishing report, I was just telling you about on Vancouver Island, probably 40, maybe 30 miles distance from where we're going to be doing the expedition, late fall. And as Peggy and I were talking this morning when that report came in, I said, you know, it's really interesting when I get these reports when this time of a year,

those bigfoot Sasquatchers should be in salmon streams. And I named them right close proximity to Campbell River where Beavertail Lake is. You know, there's Campbell, Quinsome River systems, the Menzies Bay system, Trout Creek, Armo de Cosmo, which is Bear River. So having that sighting take place when the salmon beds were just filled with salmon swanning in, you know, three inches of water in some places. That Sasquatch shouldn't be banging trees up in Beavertail Lake telling trout fishermen that I don't want you around here. So what that does is I look at that and I think it's like some bears, some black bears won't come off those alpine still the snow comes. They'll stay up on those mountains, feeding on berries and plant life and taking down deer,

eating squirrels and things. So I kind of through the years looking at all these reports on this time of the year and it's prime shellfish time as well. And you got Sasquatches being sighted up on lakes where there's no salmon streams and no clam beach in close proximity. You know, there's, I think they have tribal territories. And that's why going to where this cabins are, where I did sea kayak adventures for years.

And it's what the people stay in, to stay in these native-style longhouses and look out at the orcas going back and forth. And it's away from the major congestion site of Telegraph Cove and Campbell River. It's right in between these two centers of whale watching by tour boats and by kayaks. speedboats. So being

at the halfway mark where these cabins are, no one's there. So it's a great sea kayak place in the summer. Sports fishing for a big huge salmon because there millions that I'm going right by my front doors there. But because of the Sasquatches and it's so, you know, the odd only people that

are really out there are the odd elk hunter and deer hunter and of course the loggers every now and then, but the way logging's done on Vancouver Island it's very, they do cut blocks now instead of these massive clear cuts for these to be there for years and months of the time. Now they do these cut blocks and it's very mechanized with hoe-chuckers,

backhows with blades on them and branch strippers and bucking it in the right length. These things go in and a couple guys go into an area. They drive in their pickup truck jumping their machinery, cut, stack, load logging trucks. Four o'clock in the afternoon they're done. There's no camps out there no more. more. So this is a real wild area. January 8th, we're going and definitely, you know, if anyone wants to come, send me an email or a phone call or whatever and come along and we're charging $275 per person per 24 hour period. The reason why I say that is I run on Indian time. I don't have

these. We have a structured four-day package and you will show up at eight in the morning and you'll be dropped off at 9.30, four days later. I don't do that. That's for. people with other tourism operations. We run on Indian time, and that just means your schedules are schedule. And, you know, it's about having fun. Schedules are for the concrete road, not for the bush road. And, you know, that way people can say, all I can afford is two days. Well, they fly in or drive in the Vancouver Island and get a vehicle, drive out with us.

And then, you know, if they rent a vehicle or bring their own, they can drive out whenever they want. And all inclusive means we're supplying all the sleeping bags, bedding. foam mattresses, candles, food, all your beverages, hot and cold, no alcohol. I don't mind if someone brings a six-pack or a bottle of wine.

No problem, but this is not sports fishing, smoking cigars, and telling big lies, well, we're drinking two bottles of scotch at night. That's not going to happen. I don't know. Bush. It's too dangerous.

And besides that, nighttime, we're investigating. We're trying to find these things. And there's go. Yeah. And I hope they'll make it up there for that January 8th. I'd love to go out with you. I'd love to see it.

I'd love to do a show from there. I know before we wrap it up, one thing I want to ask you, Tom, go ahead and give your email address and the phone number out again. It's tom. dot CWIDID at gmail.com. Tango, Oscar, Mike. Dot, Sierra, Echo, Whiskey, India, Delta at gmail.com.

And the web I address is. Hamumu.com. Just think of laughter cow cow. So ha, ha, ha, ha, ma-o-m-o-o-adventures.com. Hamu-moo-moo. And like I say, Peggy should be putting the boat packages up today. We have everything from a grizzly bear whale watch,

high-speed aluminum tour boat covered, heated inside bathroom, and it takes eight people. When you see the price on that, or if you get a hold of me, and I can email the PDFs. That one and the yacht tour. When you see the prices for a 24-hour period,

it's going to make your eyeballs go wide. Remember, these are all-inclusive. Both boats can take up to eight people. So if you look at those day rates and you divide it by eight, and then you factor in what it would cost to feed yourself up in Canada for three meals and restaurants, plus your hotel room accommodation, plus your $1,600 a day rental of $8.

18 to 25 foot fiberglass or aluminum sports fishing boat for salmon, it's a pretty good price. So, and that's only eight hours is what they give you for $1,600. We're giving you for the boat, one package we have there, we're giving you that boat 24 hours a day while you book it. And that's aluminum one is great, eight people on board. We can actually shove that thing right up the beaches. So if we see something on the beach and we've got to get on there ASAP quick, try to get a picture film or something. That boat's perfect. Hopefully some of you guys have come out with me and learn a native perspective.

It's going to be fun. Get to hear about Chonachwa, Bukwis, and how other native people call the small one Steemt and the big one, Howakwis, and how the Haida's. They have stories about a creature they call Go Geat. And all through British Columbia's coast, as a commercial fisherman, I heard stories about books and book books and the big fellas and the mountain apes. So when you guys come out, we'll scare the hell out of you around the campfire night after investigating with all the stories. There you go. Yeah, it sounds like a blast.

Again, it's hamumuooadventures.com. Tom, thanks so much for coming back on the air. I know you wanted to share the Booker Boy story with the audience. Would you mind go into that before we wrap it up? It's about 10 minutes, about 8 minutes. Is that all right? Oh, you got plenty of. You got all the time you want.

Okay, so this one's just because of the way the world is right now. You know, everyone's doing things that aren't really that good and judging, being very judgmental. So this story comes from my people, the Mamliaka tribe or the Kwakwak-Yawak nation, from a village known as Mimqamlis. Otherwise, no one on the internet is Mamalalakula, village of a last potlatch, my ancestral village. Well, many, many years ago, there was a young husband and wife newly married living in this village.

And they were trying to have children, of course. Ginganam, we call them, children. and they couldn't try as they might. They weren't blessed with a baby. And one day the men, they were going to go out in the bush to look for U-Wood, which is a hardwood that grows here on the coast of BC to make aeroshafts. So the old man rounded up all the men,

come on, you guys, let's go up to the mountain behind the village and harvest yew wood and make aeroshofts. So they get up there and they're cutting down these U-trees and they're splitting it with their axes, making these rough shafts that they're going to bring home. And the older man says, make a lot of shafts. Make your bundle big so you can barely carry it.

When we get home, we're going to take the dives and we're going to shape them nice and round. And then we're going to take the skin of the dogfish, like sandpaper. It's a shark, and we're going to sand them, so they're smooth and straight. Then we're going to put our arrowheads and our feathers on them and our notch.

And we're going to teach our, We subidoo, our young boys, how to shoot bow and arrow. And of course, they're going to lose and break many. So make your bundles big. And then that man looked at the young husband who couldn't have children. Oh, you got a small bundle. You might as well go home right now and go work with the woman, seeing as you're so weak and you don't have children.

And a young boy and all the men started laughing. That's the guy you say with us. Native people on the coast. You've got big bellies and big cheeks. And when we see a weakness, a chink in the armor, We capitalized that machine gunned you with teasing and jest. That's just our nature. And that's what it was happening.

Oh, this man, he was upset being teased because you couldn't have a child with his wife. So he grabbed his bundles and took off, stormed off mad and upset, humiliated. Well, that same day, the woman, old lady, called all the mothers together. You ladies, come here, young and old. We're going up the hill. We're going to pick quat them, salmon berries. So they went up with their harvest baskets. and they were picking away.

And they're filling their baskets up. And the old lady said, oh, you woman, fill your basket overflowing. Because when we get home, we're going to mash it up like a jam and put it on the fronds of the bull kelp and lay it on the hot rocks on the beach. And the sun's going to dry out that jam

and that frond, which is long like a streamer and it feels like plastic. We're going to peel that berry strip off and dry it even further. And then we're going to roll it up. And we're going to put it into boxes. gildas, bent wood cedar stater boxes and we're going to feed it to

ourselves and to our gingadon and our children in the winter so we don't get sick. Well, we all know vitamin C keeps you from getting scurvy. You didn't know the quack walk you want invented the food roll-up either, but there's some history for you. But anyway, they were picking their berries and

the old lady looked over at that young woman who didn't have kids. Oh, your basket's half full. You may as well go home now. You don't have any children anyway. You and your husband are too darn week and she started laughing this old chubby Indian woman no teeth cackling and laughing and all the other woman jumped in there laughing and they're throwing their salmon berries at this poor young lady who couldn't have children and she just got up with her basket and ran back to the village when she got down to the

village in village island there's a small stream on the west side of our village and there's a big rock known as clice legula's rock different legends some other time but anyway she was sitting and they're crying because she was so upset. And she was crying and crying and crying. And she saw her husband enter the village walking through the front of the big houses. Now, you got to remember our villages, they used to have these big houses called Joksi, made a red cedar. And you'd have anywhere from 30 to 60 family members living in one of these big houses made a red cedar planks. And on the front of the house is called the Awaqas.

It's dirt and it's patio. And that's where they would have their different poles, like their dowry totem pole, their memorial totem pole, their welcoming totem pole. And some of you, Sasquatch, Bigfoot, enthusiasts and researchers, you might have seen a picture, a painting from the 1920s by Emily Carr. And it's a beautiful one of this, it looks like a juno-hua leaning over on the beach, post standing up. Well, that was done in Mimkaw, it's my village. So it shows you what the village looked like with these poles standing up. And one of them used to be at the Joachal, a wild woman in the woods. But the woman saw her husband running through the village through all the pools and slam the door, their big host.

She could see he was upset. She knew that he too was being teased because they didn't have children. So she's looking up at the sky and she's, Ekekekeme, the creator. Why won't you bless me with a child? My husband gets teased. I get teased. Everyone ridicules and laughs at us. It's just terrible living in this village, not having a child. And she's raging and shaking her fist like people do.

And they get upset. It's normal. It's like a Sasquatch when he shakes a tree. He's getting all upset, raging. So anyway, she finished crying. And what do you do when you finish crying? You'll blow your nose. You got a aboney, the stuff in your nose.

So she took out her do-skin. A woman happened. In the old times, they say, like a handkerchief. And she blew her nose into her hands and wiped her tears from her eyes. And she could hear a baby crying away. Wow, wow, wow. Newborn squeal. She looked around the beach.

She looked up the beach. She looked behind her. She could hear this baby crying. She looked all over. There was no baby. And all the women were up the hill picking berries at their babies in their back bundles. And she was thinking, this is very, odd and then she heard it and she looked down and she realized the baby's crying was coming from her

nose skin so she opened up the dough skin carefully there was a little beautiful little round-eyed baby boy with two arms and two legs but he had a color to him like the color of what comes from your nose but she looked at him and said i got a wistabu to do a baby boy and she felt her little baby boy with her fingers for her first time smiling and tears of happiness and joy And he felt kind of slippery, like the stuff that comes from your nose. So she said, my young little boy, your baby's name, will be Khandakh, the same stuff that comes from your nose. And she quickly ran to her house. And when she ran up the beach and threw all the totem poles in front of the houses, down the many houses that were in the village, a village island, Mimkundis.

She opened the doors of her kukes of her big house, and she ran in. And she's husband, husband, husband, look. the creators blessed us with a child and she opened her do-skin and the husband sort of had a start. There was a little brown-eyed little baby boy all right with two arms, fingers, toes on its two feet and legs, crying away with black hair and kind of a funny color. He said, well, yes, he was born from my nose. That's why he's that color. And he felt his son for the first time in his hands.

And he looked at his wife and he's kind of slippery, isn't he? And she goes, well, of course, he was born from my nose. He's like what's in your nose. That's why I call him Klindach, the same color and the same slippery feeling as what comes from your nose. That's where he was born. And the husband smiled and said, I love our new son. I'm going to teach him everything I know. He will be a great hunter and he will have great parents.

We will love him because that's what we have to do is parents. And that's what they did. What parent doesn't love their children. So they love their child and he grew up. And he got older and older and he began to learn to walk. And all of a sudden, the other native kids in the big house began to pick on him. When he was trying to toddle around because he looked funny. He felt funny.

He came, was born from a different place than them, came from a different place. So they picked on him. And as you got a little older, when he went outside of the big house to try to play with all the other king on him with a village and children, they would really pick on him. because the parents weren't looking, the older girls and boys would bully him. And Klyndaq started realizing that this was not very nice things happening to him from these children because he looked funny.

He came from a different place than them. So each day, though, when he'd come out of his big house in the morning, next door he'd run into that big house and he'd go up to Numa, the old man, who lived there. Numas, give me a hand. Come on, I'll bring you down to the creek. Grab your bucket and we'll fill it with water. And he'd off him and Numaus would go weaving through all the poles and get to the creek at the far end. And Numis would wash and do his teeth, take a drink of water, and then he'd fill his bent wood box with a handle on it.

And Klandoch and Numas would walk back into the village, weaving in between all the poles and holding hands until he got to a certain spot. He would say, here you go, Numis, here's your spot. And Numis would sit down and open up his. leather and inside were hammerstones, antlers, bone, and he would take nodules of obsidian, Flint, shirt, jade, and he would nap and nap and nap, and he'd make beautiful arrowheads, spearheads, knives, harpoon heads for the people in the village. That was his job. And at the end of the day, well, Klinda, he'd be playing all through the bushes in the village, behind the village, and up the mountain. But when the sun started going down, he'd run home because it was getting the end of the day.

And he would grab Numaus and say, come on, Numis, I'll bring you home. He'd bring the old man home. And the old man would sit down by his fire. And he goes, Klingach, you're such a nice, caring boy. You're always bringing me from my water and my bath in the morning. You're always bringing me home at the end of the workday when you come out of the forest where you're playing with your new friends, the animals. He goes, I'm worried about you, though, in the forest. Junachah is out there, the wild woman of the woods. Oh, don't you worry about that, Numa. As long as I stick to what we're told,

as long as you listen to your elders, your parents, show them respect, don't be a whiner, don't be lazy, don't be a thief. And when you're told to do something, just do it. Don't pull a temper tantrum. As long as I do that, and when the sun starts to go low and I make sure I leave the forest to come get you, Junachahs watching me, I know that. But she knows you can't touch me,

so long as I listen to the orders of the elders and my parents. So by coming home, before the sun goes down, I'm not breaking any rules. So that's all right. I'm not worried about Junachua. They say she's out there. She's not going to harm you unless you disrespect her anyway. He goes, but all the same, you should have a knife. So here you go.

And the old man opened up his leather tools kit. And he brought out this beautiful obsidian knife with a nice heartwood you would handle. all wrapped. He said, and I built you a leather sheath as well. So you put this on your belt and the way you go with your new knife. And Klynda was so happy. He ran outside, showed his mom and dad, had his dinner and went to bed. And then the next day he went out to the forest with his new knife. And, oh, he was having fun with it after he dropped Numa soft to do his job with his flint nap. And after he got his water and everything, of course.

And as he was playing, he got pretty late. He was watching the sun come down. He goes, well, I better go home. When you got to the edge of the village where that stream is, there was a big, grassy field. And there were all the kids from the village playing Indian baseball. You have one person up to bat. What they do is they grab the ball in their left hand usually, and they throw out in the air and they hit the ball as hard as they can.

And everyone's in the outfield. You catch a pop fly. It's 100 points. You're automatically up the bat. Catch a one bouncer, 50 points. of roller 10 points, a dead ball, five points. As soon as you get 100 points, you're up to bat. You keep track your own scores.

But every time someone gets 100 points or catches a pop fly, they're automatically up to bat and you start from zero again. It sounds like a very boring game, but you remember Indian baseball, full contact. So when you got your mouth wide open, you're running backwards with your hands up, ready to catch that pop fly, and all you're concentrating on is that ball,

and its trajectory coming at you. Well, those girls, you got to watch out. They used to grab you by your hair and this power slam you right down. Then you grab the ball. So Indian baseball is full contact, like murder ball with a stick. Lots of fun.

Well, as they're playing this, the older boys and girls that hit the ball so far and go right to the tree line. But it land where it's shady. And what grows in the shade in the coastal rainforest? Jum jum kum. Stinging nettles.

When you touch it, it's like that. What I hear about that stuff called poison ivy, but you don't get those bad, bad blisters. You get blisters nitch, like jellyfish sting. So anyway, the ball would go there, and no one wants to go in there, tiptoeing around, trying to get the ball from the stinging nettles. But when Klyndaq walked out, the older boy out to bats, said, hey, Klynda, my friend. Klynda Klyndh, couldn't believe his young years.

First time he was being called a friend. Kendach, my friend, come here. You go over there by the trees, and you play Indian baseball with us. Henda couldn't believe his young years. First time in his life, he was being included in the kids' games. So of course he ran. Little did he know that he was being teased and ridiculed once again

because he was a different color. He felt different. He came from a different place than the children had come. He was standing up to his neck and Jum Jum Klam. But he was so excited that he was allowed to play, he didn't feel the stinging and the blisters starting to come up. But they started to play. And of course, Klindach ain't going to get anything about dead balls in there.

And he's never going to get up to bat. They're just using them like a retriever dog. So he's in there anyway, and he's playing with everyone. And all the villages, kids are having fun. And they're having so much fun. They're making so much noise that they don't realize that the sun is disappearing over what we call Vancouver Island. But Chuna'ah does because she's watching from the forest, always watching the Kinganan on the children. Because when they misbehave, it's open season for them.

for her. Well, sure enough, the mothers came out of the big houses and called across the aliquists in the village for their children to come home. It was dinner time. It was getting dark, but they never heard they're too far away. As soon as that sun disappeared behind the western island, Jonocha, come running out of that bush, and all the kids started screaming and running around, banging into each other, trying to hide behind trees, trying to climb trees. Well, Junoqah, with their big hairy arm, just kept grabbing kids screaming, shoving them into her big spruce root sack, which is like a potato sack. Spruce root produces a fiber.

So she's throwing these screaming kids into the stack knowing that, wow, she's licking her lips and she's grabbing kids. And she looks all around and she's got every kid. And then she looks over to the tree line. And there's this funny colored boy, almost the same color greenish as what the Jum Jum Club is our. So she missed him. But now she sees him and his eyes blinking and he's terrified.

He's frozen. and Johnach grabs her sack full of children. She starts running after Klindach, and she goes into the reach to grab him. But when she grabbed him, he squirted it away because he was so slippery. And he started running. And as he's running around the field, Jonach with her big long legs,

and she's running fast, and she'd grab Klyndak again with her hands, and he'd slip and pop out again because he's so slippery. Finally, she gets that big right arm around Klyndh, screaming and wiggling. She stuffs him in top of the sack and ties it. throws that sack, a screaming, crying children over her shoulder, and she starts running into the forest up the mountain.

And she's going to her invisible home. That's why we never find the Sasquatch Bigfoot, because they live in an invisible home up high in the mountains. They say, but as she's running, she's licking her lips, thinking when I get to my invisible home, I'm going to boil these kids up and eat them. I got lots of food. That's what Junachas do with the misbehaming children.

So anyway, she's running away. and the kids are screaming. It's getting dark now. All of a sudden, Klynda on top of the sack goes, You can get on, I'm listening to me and quit crying. Because I'm slippery, I'm going to wiggle and squirm, and I'm going to slip, slide my way to the bottom of the sack, and I'm going to cut it with a knife that the flintnapper made and gave me.

And we're going to spill out onto the forest floor. And they say, Jonachah is not too smart. She has no frontal lobe. And when we hit that forest floor, We're all going to grab each other's hands, and I'm going to lead us back to the village of Mimkwanis. So this older boy who's all elbow to elbow with him goes, shut up, Klyndak, what do you know? We're going to go die.

We're going to get eaten by Tuna. And Klach goes, you listen here, ringleader, because you instigated all the other kids and bullied them to bully me and pick on me. You're now in my playground because you guys wouldn't let me play in the village without teasing me and beating me up, throwing things at me. while we're in the forest, and this is my playground. I know it like the back of my hand almost. But also, my friends, the animals are going to help us. You just watch. So he's wiggled and squirmed, and sure enough,

he slid right to the bottom of that sack, and he cut it. And all the kids spilled out, and Junukho had no frontal loaves. She didn't realize because she's kind of dumb that her bag was empty or sack. She just kept plodding along into the forest. And they all grabbed hands, and they ran down the trail. And they're running down the forest trail.

And all of a sudden they come to a junction. And Klyndh leading the bunch, everyone holding each other's hands. The older boy behind him goes, see, you're lost, Klyndh. You don't know where we are. Juna is going to get us. He goes, you be quiet. And Klyndh began the whistle. And all of a sudden, the kawas, the deer, stuck its head out of the bushes.

And Klyndh said, you're out in the forest, deer tonight, eating your foods. with your bright, powerful nose and your keen hearing with your big ears, please tell me, where's the juno'ah? The deer looks up into the night sky and smells. Her scent's getting weaker. She's getting further away. My years tell me she's crashing to the forest,

getting close to the top of the mountain on this island. But Klynda looked and said, hey, I noticed when you stuck your nose up and smelled in the moonlight, I could see your muzzle. wet. You've taken a drink of water. Where is this creek? And Gawas, the deer says, oh, just keep going down this trail. You come to a creek. It's quite a ways, but there you go. And he goes, good, I need to find a creek that will lead us back to the village. So they run down this trail and they're going

quite a ways. And all of a sudden, the little gannabidu that Klanduk is hanging on to a little girl. She bins crying, so he stops the line again. Kanavidu, why do you cry? I'm afraid that we're lost, it's not not be the right trail. And Klyndak goes, well, here, let's just see if my other friends are broke. And he whistled again and the big huge black bear, clay, stuck his nose out of the forest. Klingaukh, my friend, what are you doing? Junukha lurks. What are you doing in the forest with these kids at night? I know Black Bear, that's why we're trying to get down to the creek somewhere down this hill. But you, the black bear, are the maker of the trails, bear trails in the forest that all the animals and the humans use.

So this trail that you've built and use, where does it lead? Does it lead to a creek? Oh, yeah, just keep going. You're almost there and I'll be gone with you. You get down that creek and get back to the village. So off they ran and sure enough, there was a creek and they followed the trail alongside the creek and they went downhill straight down to what they thought was going to be the village. But Klandok had to be sure.

So when they got close to where they came. could smell salt water and hear waves. He stopped and he whistled again. And that's when the little mink, he stuck his head out. And he's crabby, the mink. He's like, Klingach, what are you doing in the forest? Stinking you and the humans you lead. You're stinking up this forest. This is, I'm hunting, you know. What are you doing here? And Klindach goes, mink, my friend, you make your home in the forest in a den. And you also make your home close to a freshwater creek, which is close to a beach where you harvest a lot of your foods as well. So Mink, is this creek going to lead me to the village? Yes, it is. Now be gone with you and let me hunt off Klynda Khan down the creek. And sure enough,

they came out at the beach and on the edge of the beach was at the top of it was the grass field where Junukhah had caught them earlier. And Kliqqa had. down into the village with all these children dropping them off at their rightful home. And when we got to his house, his mom and father, like everyone else's mother and father, hugged the kids crying and joy that their children had survived, being taken by Junachah. They weren't boiled up and eaten. And Klandachas looked at his mother and father and said, I'm tired, I need to go to sleep. So he went to bed.

The next morning he woke up and his eyes went really big, real fast. and because all these men were standing around them. One of the men standing around him was the Gakame, the chief of the village. And he looked down and he said, men, grab Klyndoch and bring him outside. Oh, he was so scared, he thought he'd done something really, really terrible. And they're really going to tease and ridicule pick on him now. And when they carried him out into the sunlight, he's blinking his eyes because it's so bright. When he could see good, he noticed that every one of the villagers, young and old,

we're standing on the Aliquis area of the front of the big houses, the patio. And the chief said with his big booming voice, this young boy is Klynda. He was born from the nose. He comes from a different place than all of us. He feels like what's in your nose, and he's the color of what's in your nose. But we have to honor him and respect him always as just another one of us. I know the teasing he's been putting up with, and even I have been a part of of that, judging him and judging them wrongly.

From this day forward is the chief, I give order that he's another tribe member, and that's it. No better, no less than us. He's one of our own, and we'll respect him as such. And he says, but because I'm a chief, I'm going to give him another name because for God's sakes, you can't be called Booger Boy, Klindach forever. And the chief gave him another name. I can't remember what it was, but he was no longer called Booger Boy, Klingach. that's the end of the legend.

But the meaning of the legend, aside from the Sasquatch, Bigfoot stuff I shared with you, is we have to be like the flintnapper. He loved Klindoch because he was a human being. He loved Klynda because he was respectful and caring, looked after the old man. You see, when Klynda was leading him to the village

to get his water and wash up and do his teeth and then to bring him home at the end of the day, The old man was blind. That's why he was such a good flintnapper because he was using his feelings. But he judged Klinga, as we as humans, are supposed to judge every other human around us. It doesn't matter what color their hair is. It doesn't matter what color their skin is.

It doesn't matter if they even feel different than us. We have to be like the flintnapper. We only judge people by what's inside them, a caring heart. And that's it. That's the end of the legend. That's a great story actually Had a lot of meaning to it You know how we treat each other nowadays

And I enjoyed hearing it Tom I really did And I can't wait till January Hopefully I can make it down there For the audience listening Again it's hamumuooadventures.com Hamumuadventures.com Tom Cee Wood

Tom thanks so much for coming on the show I appreciate it Oh you're welcome having fun with this And like I say It's the magic of the internet everything. If anyone wants to get a hold of me, just go right ahead. I thank you all in our language. Alakasla.

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