Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:288 Strange monkey in the tree

Episode Date: January 9, 2017

Tonight is a show about investigators. With four completed albums and his number five in the works Kris Allen is a true super star when it comes to his music and when it comes to his fans. As a native Texan Kris started his music career at a young age, but there were obstacles in the road during his journey that would prove to change the course of his life forever. Kris Allen is not just a super star within the music industry but he is also well known throughout the paranormal arena, as well as a dedicated Bigfoot investigator. Kris will be sharing with us an encounter he had as a child as Kris and his family watched in amazement as a Sasquatch was sitting in a tree watching them. Kris said "We thought it was some sort of strange monkey that got loose." Kris owns a large farm in WV and talks about other encounters he has had with the creatures over the years. Kris says "One of the strangest things I have ever seen was a werewolf like creature that was walking towards my younger son while he played on the farm. I did not know what it was the only way I can describe it is it reminded me of a Hollywood werewolf, like you would see in the movies. As it approached my young son I went after it with my gun…." Check out Kris' website HERE. I will also be speaking to David who heads the Independent Sasquatch Research Team based in Florida. David will discuss looking into a case featured here on Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:249 It had a look like "I'm going to kill you." You might remember the episode: Steve writes "I was completely frozen with fear I was 20 feet from the shoreline and this thing was about 10 feet in the tree line… I could not do anything except sit there and stare…. I watched it for what seemed to be forever but it was prob a minute as this thing was going nuts…. And as quick as it started it stopped, I was in the coast guard and went through several training and all but nothing could prepare me for what happened next…. I was at the point of fight or flight but there was no way I was gonna fight…. As I tried to gather my thoughts and pick up my jaw and figure out if I pissed myself or not …this palm branch moved to the side and I saw this …… Monster… Just staring at me." The ISRT was established back in 2000 for researchers that want to work with a team of independent research people that are honest and hard working in the field. We are based in central FL and have researchers through out the US. The team reaches throughout the US and Canada, but not limited to these areas. We have many experienced field research individuals that have many years of field investigation experience. "Our common goal and responsibility as research analysts on this subject is to bring a deluge of evidence to the people. In order for us to do this, we all need to work together as a team on this common goal". Check out the ISRT website HERE for more information.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, maybe grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. It's interesting, man. We had a major storm come through last night and snow and then freezing rain on top of it.

Now, I may not sound like much where you're at, but out here in the Pacific Northwest, when it snows, you're pretty much on your own. We don't prepare for much. Thank God I have four-wheel drive, but, you know, to be honest with you, four-wheel drive doesn't help when there's freezing rain, but it looks like it's starting to melt away. Thank God I got to get out. I'm going nuts.

But I really appreciate you guys being here. I got a great show plan for you. I'm going to be bringing Chris Allen on the show. And Chris Allen is actually a country music artist, but he started out in life. He actually had a Sasquatch encounter when he was really young, and he was watching it up in a tree. And it wasn't just Chris that saw it. His whole family had seen this monkey up in a tree. And Chris does a great job at describing it.

Chris lives out in West Virginia now and owns a farm. He's had several encounters, and he's been looking into this for many, many years. And so he'll be coming on and sharing some of his different encounter. and kind of what he looks for. I'll also be inviting David to the show. And David is a part of the independent Sasquatch research team. It's based out in Florida. And you guys remember the show I did?

I think it was episode 249, where the witness, I think the title of the show was it had a look like I'm going to kill you. I think I even have the witness in the intro, talking about it giving him a look of, I just want to kill you. Well, David had contacted me and asked if he could gather more information

to actually go out and take a look of where this encounter took place. Now, I never give out witnesses' information. But as I was talking to Steve, and I'd asked him, I said, you know, are you interested in having an investigator go out to the site and take a look? And he was. And so I contacted David. He went out and took a look. He'll be sharing what he found out there.

And David also brought some sounds that I'm going to play tonight on the show, and he's going to be talking about those sounds. Should be a great show tonight. I want to thank you guys again for being here. Remember, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance to check out the store. It's at the very top of the website.

I think it's under shop. A lot of different merchandise in there. If you're looking for something for yourself or for a family member, some really cool merchandise in there. Hope you get a chance to check it out. Again, it's Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Let's jump into it tonight. Chris, welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for being here. Yeah, absolutely. If you would for the audience, would you kind of start from the beginning? I was really interested in the encounter you were telling me about earlier when you were a child, seeing one of these creatures up in a tree, and talk about what you guys were out doing, and if you would just kind of walk the audience into your encounter. Well, would you be Nashville. Face was concaten.

Yeah, it was. We didn't know anything about it. And Chris, when you saw it, you described. it as being a whitish color? Well, its hair was like a champagne blonde. Oh, golden light. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing.

And how far away from you guys was a creature? I know it was up in a tree, but what kind of a distance were you guys looking at this thing? Do you remember what the conversation was like between everyone? I would imagine everyone was amazed. Yeah, everybody was standing in West Virginia. I kept watching it. That's really amazing, especially since the creature's behavior,

how it just kind of stood there cleaning itself and just kind of watching you guys and you guys, watching it. It didn't really leave. It didn't really. And you know from researching this and investigating this for a long time, the juveniles seem to be a lot less sketchy. They seem to be more balzy in situations like that. I mean, it's hard. Did you guys ever see their creature again, or was that the only time it made an appearance on that property? On that property, it was the only time. And of course, in fact, yeah, they do put off odd sounds. How many years later did you, was your next encounter? My next encounter was when I was the trees, health issues whatsoever.

or weird of things. I don't mind hiking around a lake at nighttime. Light jacket weather. Whatever this was that I was viewing scared me so bad, I could not control how my body was perspire. I was soaking my shirt. I was so scared. I've never had been experienced of being so scared the safety of the car. You must have seen what we saw. If you go to Manitoba with his body, at that moment in a life and time, my son actually got beat. What he saw. That's too bad. He told me before. He's like that. I will never tell any. Yeah, that's too bad. I hate to hear that. When the creature stepped out from the wood line, was it facing you guys?

And did it vocalize? Did it do anything towards you? Or did it just step out and show itself? Mimicking a, and just on the other side, sighting in that area. Like most things in life, huh? You think you'd learn every time. But in doing it again, jumps in my box. I'm breathing because something with this is she looked at me. All I can think of doing is take it as I did.

tree. It raised straight up and you can see the shadow of it. There are beating sounds after the blizzard subside towards the dam where I had single shape and that's what kills me. It makes it difficult for researchers when you have all these idiots out there wearing costumes running into the woods, find the two together and I've actually followed the tracks and I've documented and videotaped many of their tracks and put my foot side beside of the tracks. Now at the time I did have a radio show and years later I've learned so much more. A lot of your listeners may not be aware of this, but I had a specialist on my show one time,

and we're talking about casting, casting tracks on dirt. I wanted to ask you, and I wanted to go back to when you were in the tent. I have a question about your second encounter, but when you were in the tent, was it sitting on you? Or was it using its hands and pressing down on you? I honestly think it had its face stuck in my chest. It was smelling me. Oh, I got you. That's interesting.

I can't prove that. I can't swear to that. Crazy if I was hearing somebody's saying. Not as crazy as you would think. I mean, that actually makes sense. I mean, to me, it felt like it had it and pushed on my chest cavity. It was pushing down probably. Smacked it right at the searcher's good.

It sounds like after you smacked it, the creature obviously didn't leave. Did it back away from the tent? And then you started hearing what sounded like a gorilla banging on its chest? Exactly. Went out of the tent. It backed away. Very heavy structure. And you've got to understand.

And those type of dogs usually don't get scared too easily. They do. I watch my pit bull jump up and bite a bike. Are you serious? Mass a size bull. What did you guys end up doing? Did you end up leaving the next day? Yeah, we had to leave the next day.

One issue after another, I was just playing that about the battery. He couldn't sit up. Yeah, that's crazy. I think you're nuts going out there and camping in the Blizzard. But go ahead, I didn't get you off. Yeah, too. So, I mean, we're getting concrete yellow. The video is on Facebook on my site on.

on the videos you go to the bottom. Unfortunately, it's not very long. That's interesting, and it was hoofs, you said? They were definitely. It was so heavy. Yeah, it's interesting. I don't know if you've ever heard of the Jersey. I'm sure you've heard of the Jersey Devil,

but it kind of sounds like that. I mean, and I've talked to a few witnesses that have experienced that or have seen tracks, and they claim it's hoofs, and it's walking on two legs, and there's a witness, I don't have to take up my notes on it. He said the same thing. He said the tracks disappeared.

He thought it flew off from where he was tracking it. Yeah. He told a story of this man, like a burning hair, sharp at the exact side. Well, then it also shows of two different houses in the snow. I personally witnessed these tracks the next day after we videoed this. Where the snow blows on the tree, the tracks were walking straight up. The city is like there's no way. Now, do we have freshly charged Sony's hundreds of dollars?

for the batteries with. That's odd. What do you make of that? I don't have a clue. I do not have a clue. I sure the Mothman is not the Jersey Devil, first of all. But once you can intelligently, it makes it difficult video, known to man. Yeah.

They actually dug up. You're talking about Zana? Yeah, they dug up the gray. 40 natives. Amen to do that. No, and in the one encounter you're talking about, it was interesting if you read that encounter. They had it in a cage. And if I remember right, it wouldn't eat.

I'm trying to remember that story. The two young ones came to it, and that's when it's eyes lit up. But they described it as being just sitting there in the cage. And that was an interesting encounter. And they do describe, if you listen to the description, they are describing a Sasquatch. And it is in the newspapers. There was a lot of people who saw it. And I don't remember whatever became of that creature.

Do you? No, I never could. Likely, they were taking it. Yeah. I wanted to go back to your second encounter. when it turned and looked at you and you were looking into its face, can you describe for the audience? A lot of people haven't seen one.

Can you describe what you saw? Yes, I've seen something that looked at me that wanted to know and just looked at me. It didn't blink at all. You know, I found out later through Jane Goodall, researching the process there and look, I love experiments. I wiggled my eyes, dressed. Yeah. It did.

Reaching, grabbing, being docile. It's good advice that Jane Goodall gave you, because you're right, if you do make eye contact a lot of times with primates, it will snap on you. The one that you saw, would you describe it more as monkey-like in the face, or would you describe it more human-like in the face? Did it have the nose of a primate or more of a nose of a human? For my skin, his face was completely different than I'll get to that momentarily, if you remind me that. But with these, I've had it came down to my house many times.

I raised chickens, and they love to eat my white machine. I'm not expecting something right across. You had to repel it. Half of my muscle, I immediately came to a stop and got off the butt. The men started yelling at me. Are you crazy? You don't scared she peed on her. Let me ask you, do you think that these creatures can be violent,

and does it worry you that they're so close to your property out there in West Virginia? I mean, they're coming in taking your chickens. Yes, they can be had encounters of Syracanthia. Then you have Gigatopithecus. A test of a Native American legends, like the Apani. The Apani is in TV shows, which I'm not going to know. name names. It's more of the ratings. Go into the woods and I sing. And if you're out in the woods cleaning your rifle, you're arguing and being boisterous and laughing to kids. Yeah, I mean,

and I understand what you're saying. You know, most encounters, and I have a lot of people on the show who've had encounters, and most encounters are chance encounters. It's not the quote-unquote researcher or investigator going out there, or it's always the hunter, you know, the hunter being quiet, or the hiker or people who are out just doing their thing seem to run into these things more than people actually out looking for them. So I agree with you there. I mean, I tend to agree with you. I think that if you go out in the woods, you know, like you see on TV where they blow up fireworks

and they, you're going to scare everything within 20 miles from there is going to run from you. I tend to agree with you. I mean, or camping. They'll come in and check you out if you're out there camping. I tend to agree with you on it. Have you had any major vocals there? Have you heard the chatter that people talk about? The last campsite and a camping air lake then again where I saw.

Yeah, you're used to camping out of blizzards. Yes. This was a lower 50. You might make it up to 70. There are two of them, which sounded to me like it was a 75 feet out. And you could hear their conversation. Try to do this on several. If you would talk instead of breathing out, if you would talk in breathing in.

Yeah, he does Darth Vader. I know who you're talking about. This was like the innocent of a young... I'm not saying they're talking, breathing. We try to talk breathing in. Sure enough, I'd try that. It'd make me choke. Those two did not have an odor.

I've had several encounters. I'm curious. What gave you the impression they were talking about you? Quietly trying to zip my tent. Yeah. I had on my Jeep. When he did that, they were... I threw my...

I'm curious on what you think these things are. I know you've run into them. And you know, sometimes people have more encounters than other people. I've talked to a lot of woodsmen who've run across him several times and have had several encounters that are out there all the time in the woods. But your impression after having these experiences, and again, there's obviously no right or wrong answer. I don't have one of my garage I'm studying, so I can't tell you you're right or wrong. But what is your impression? What do you think that these things are? The question, because there are different species.

you have one that came after your mind. I heard a few people talk about the ones that murdered the people down at Real Footlaid. And DNA throughout the years, Forestry services for fishing or hunting, your cells of all the gear that tackle nine yards, the whole... I don't know that that would ever hold up in any state

if you actually put a bullet in one and dragged it in. I think they'd come in and take it from you anyway, but I don't know that they would actually imprison you because it technically doesn't exist. It would be a big cover-up. It would be a giant cover-up. I've heard these people tell me. You know, some of them we're like,

a researcher telling me that it made this noise right at them and it stunned them with this noise. Are these people legitimate or are they crime? Yeah, you're right. That's the way I'm going to show you how to do. It's very simple. Take a black dog, or can you clearly see it's a dog? Had you not known it was your dog, that's right up on you.

Okay, well, take that dog 100 feet, 200 feet. Yeah, you're right. And, you know, it's interesting. I talked to a primate researcher one time, and he had sent me a bunch of pictures. And I thought he was sending me Bigfoot pictures because it was just a bunch of blob squashes. He was sending me.

And what was interesting about it is he told me, he goes, that's a chimpanzee. That's a great ape. And I was like, what? And I'm looking at these blob squatches, and he said, they're very tough to get on camera. Obviously, we have them on camera now. You can go clear photos of them.

But he said, when you're out in the wild and you're going after these non-human primates, he said nine times out of ten, you'll come back with what the Bigfoot world calls a blob squatch because of the way they move. They're so fast. They'll come in on you and then they leave so quickly. So I tend to agree with you. I mean, it's tougher to get a picture of these things than most people realize. And like the encounter when you're on your four-wheeler, you've got a camera around your neck. But sometimes things happen so quick and you're not prepared for it. And especially for most encounters people have, it's a one-type type encounter. or it's maybe twice and their chance encounters.

And people really aren't prepared for it. And you'll ask a lot of witnesses I've even had on the show, why didn't you get a picture of it? And they'll tell you, I had a camera in my hand. I was so awestruck of what I was seeing. It didn't even cross my mind. I've had hunters who've had loaded guns that were 50 feet away. Could have easily blasted one of these things.

And you ask them why. And they're like, I didn't realize I had a gun in my hand. I completely forgot I had a gun in my hand. I was so awestruck at seeing this. It just blew me away. So you're right. I mean, the argument of pictures is kind of a weak argument. There was a thing, and I've talked about this on the past,

I went up with the Olympic project, and we had a guy in a suit. And everyone knew he was in the suit. We put an orange vest on him, so no one would blast him while he was out there. As they sent people down this trail with cameras in hand. saying you're going to encounter him at least three or four times and get a good picture of him. You know how many times people got a picture of them? There was one lady who got a decent picture of one, and she was actually taking a picture of, I think it was a cave, if I remember right, and she didn't even see that he was standing there.

And that was the best picture anyone got. People were trying to get pictures of him on the hill. And, you know, so you put a group of people together, tell them to get a good picture of this, and no one could get a clear picture of him. And they're all prepared for it. They all know they're going to run into them. And no one could get a good picture of him. It was the craziest thing I ever saw.

I tried to turn it loose. We were taking pictures 100 yards. You would hear the area that he's at, and you take the pictures in the areas that he's at. Now, you've got to mind that this was in the fall time. Very barren woods. You can see him. And he was right with your dogs.

And you walk right, you know, 10 feet, 20 feet away from a car. Yeah, I believe it. You know, one thing I wanted to ask you before we wrap things up is the encounter you talked about with the dogman, can you walk the audience into what was going on and what you saw? And I didn't want to drive back towards him. It didn't look like a big foot at all. It looked more like what you'd see on Hollywood.

Talking to a guy by the name of him. Yeah, I don't blame you. A little innocent child looking into the desk of what is a sheep or a goat or something at the point. You get up there, there's a cave in there, and they believe it's actually living inside that cave. Yeah, I get a lot of reports from West Virginia, Kentucky, a lot of those southern states of this dog man that people run into. And it's exactly how you describe it.

That's exactly what they say. Imagine a were... They chatter like a coyote. Everybody's like, no. I remember what is that. Yeah, that makes sense. Inevertently feeding it, huh? Yes.

That can get dangerous real quick. Well, a lot of their neighbors were doing the same thing. They were feeding it. That's why I can't come in. Well, Chris, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your encounters. I really enjoyed hearing you talk about the different encounters that you have and your perspective on it. And the dog man, too.

I mean, there's a lot of people that run into that thing, and it tends to be more vicious. A lot of witnesses I run into, for whatever reason, the dog man seems to be more vicious than more aggressive. I'm glad that the situation you didn't have with your son, it departed ways with you. And you going after it for people listening, I probably would have done the same thing.

Come after my kid, and I don't care if you're 15 feet tall, I'm going to come cut your head off. I don't care how big and bad you are. And so I appreciate you sharing it and sharing it with the audience. You know, it helps a lot of people. This show, I always welcome people to come on and share their encounters. And I know it helps a lot of people to hear other people talk about it. So thank you again for taking the time to come on.

I know you're a busy man. Thank you again for coming on. So my sites and check out my music. I've hitshallon.com. It's hard to keep up with. Thanks again, Chris. You're welcome. Next up on the show, I want to welcome David.

David, thanks for coming on, man. Appreciate you being here. Thank you, Wes, for inviting me. And David is part of the Independent Sasquatch Research Team. You can check out the website at ISRTUSA.com, Independent Sasquatch Research Team. And I know, David, you do most of your research down there in Florida, don't you? Yeah, most of our research is here in the Florida State.

And you were kind enough. I had a guest on a while back, and for the listeners listening, it was the episode I just had a look of I Just Want to Kill You, and most people know the fisherman that was on there. He was in a, I believe it was a kayak. He was in, and this thing had charged him from the shoreline. And you were going to go out there and research the area. What happened when you went out there? Well, after I spoke to Steve through text messages over the phone, well, let me back up. I got the information from you, of course, and his information. Contact him.

I called him on the phone, and he was like still somewhat in the state of shock of what he saw. You can tell he was still mulling over everything what happened to him. but he was kind of anxious to kind of get to the bottom of it, you know, kind of find out if he was crazy or not. So he gave us some coordinates where he said where it happened at me and one of our guys on our team, Willie, mean him, I tried to schedule, well, we did schedule a time to go out there on a weekend. Unfortunately, it was the same weekend we had Hurricane Matthew hit the East Coast. And it nailed that area pretty well where his siding was. And, of course, we didn't go out there just for safety precautions.

And so we had to reschedule to another date, November 4th weekend. We went out there. And we got out there, and the area looks really nice. We got a place, we got a permit to go on one of the islands out there. which is a beautiful island. So we get out there and we set up camp on the island. We got kind of a late start getting out there, but it was by that time when we got out there towards the location

that we thought it was, it was getting kind of late. Plus, it was pretty low in that area for my buddy's boat. He had a pontoon boat, 20-foot pontoon boat. And we were in like a foot in eight inches of water. And we were just scraping bottom with this motor. And we tried a couple of places out there. We found one place that we thought it was and we were kind of off. And so we had to kind of backtrack and go several hundred yards up to the location.

And by that time we found it, we were getting really low in the water. So we kind of made a mark on our GPS. to where we figured this was pretty close to the location where it happened at. And we ended up going back to the campsite, basically trying to come up with another plan to get out in that location the next day. And for the audience listening, you know, the witness, you know, I made sure it was okay with the witness for you to contact him. I don't just hand out witnesses' information to researchers.

But David, you've been doing this for a long time and you're down in Florida. So I really wanted you to check the area out. And I was surprised, even after the hurricane, it's exactly how the witness describes it. The location is exactly how he describes it. It's at least how I pictured it in my head as he was telling this encounter. But it's kind of a shame that Hurricane Matthew came through and demolished the area. Were you able to find any signs or did you find anything of interest while you were out there? Yeah, we found, well, for one thing, the whole area is,

is interesting because it's really thick. It's a very good area for these things to live in, to move around in, to be unseen. We did find a small sapling tree, probably about three inches in, three or four inches in diameter. It was kind of weaved in between two large trees. And then we found some palm tree that was down, but it was about three foot off the ground. and you can tell that something was, you know, crossing over, it was scraping the top. And we knew it wasn't a hog. It was pretty high still for a deer to cross over.

I don't think a deer would, how small the deer are down here. They probably wouldn't, they could probably go under that, that log that we found. That was pretty interesting. But the whole area itself is really thick. It's a really good area. That's several thousands of acres of things. out there with nothing but woods and brush. And the palm meadows out there were over my head, and I'm six feet tall.

And it's very, very dense. And we had to be careful because of, you know, running up on hogs and snakes and whatever else might have been out there. Yeah, well, hopefully, you know, you guys can get back there after it's kind of settled down. I would imagine it's settled down now, but you know what I mean? Most of the wildlife probably left that area during the hurricane, and I would imagine it takes some time for them to kind of come back. Yeah, I think they would. I mean, because if it's an area that humans don't go into very often or a lot, they tend to hang out in those areas. And we did find, hopefully, we found a location where we can come from the inland side instead of using the boat.

because we're really touch and go on that. As you can see in the video that we made on our investigation of the area. But the whole area is what he described is to a T, and a lot of parts there, it looks like something out of a jungle. Yeah, that's what it looked like from the video. That's really what I got from it from the video. And I forgot how beautiful Florida was. I really enjoyed watching the video.

I posted it up on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If people want to check it out, it's under Charging Sasquatch Field Investigation, or you can watch it on David's YouTube under tracking Sasquatches. That's what you look up for David's YouTube. You can definitely watch the video there. David, I wanted to ask you, you had sent me some sounds. I wanted to ask you about the Green Swamp Howl. Can you tell me what was going on here?

it was a few of us that one was recorded back in 2013 in November and it was just us just us one night in an area we go pretty often closer central Florida area well known for a lot of Sasquatch sightings it was about I think it was about five or four or five of us that night this guy got caught on one of the team members parabolic mics. And it's kind of hard to hear, but you have to kind of like turn up your speakers and, you know, but you can definitely hear how. What happened, it's much, much different when you're standing there listening to the vocals, and you're very well, much aware of that. We, I decided to do a, a yell or a call because it was getting kind of boring out there. we weren't getting anything. We were walking around. And this was probably about 9.30 at night.

And it was pitch black. And you can barely see in front of you. And I said, well, I'm going to do a call and see what happens. So I just did this very loud yell and just to see what happens. And from the northwest that we were at, and this is another dense area where this sounds. came from. We get this sound that sounded somewhat like something trying to imitate a coyote, but it was long drawn out, and at the very end of it, you can tell it was not a coyote. But then after it did that, it sounded off other coyotes in a totally different opposite

direction, and they just, they kept going off. But we never heard that same, that other sound come from the other location. Yeah, when I listened to it, I didn't, I know you had put in there like it sounded like a coyote. It didn't really sound like a coyote to me. It was imitating a howl, but there was something off about it. I wouldn't say that was a coyote by any means. No, it definitely sounded like something way off. I mean, it was deep and it carried pretty far.

The interesting thing, though, is that as we were stopping on this little grass road, and we were walking towards the north. and the other guys I was with, they didn't catch this. But as we were walking, I've always been told by hunters, you know, that owls will sound off when they hear things or see, or not hear things, but see things in the woods because they can see really well. And then they'll sound off when they see whatever they're seeing to let, I guess, others, owls know, you know, something's in their area.

Well, as we were walking north, we heard these owls going on. off ever so often. It would start really back where we started from. And then midways, you hear some more owls. And then as we kept going, we heard a couple other owls in that same general area where that yell came out of. And I was telling me, guys, I said, I think that thing is paralleling us as we walk. It's listening to us or hearing us somehow.

And these owls are going off. giving away its location or something because it just sounded kind of strange that these owls were sounding off in the same gentle direction where this, where this yell came from, as if it was, you know, paralleling us as we were walking northward on this road. Yeah, it's interesting, too, when you get a recording like that for the audience, it's hard to explain when you're out there and you hear something like that it's a hundred times louder and more powerful than a recording or usually recordings don't do the audio justice from when you're in there in the moment listening with your ears it just never quite

does it justice i know you'd sent me this other one labeled night sounds what was going on with this well that happened uh december second we had had a group of people in another area, not far from where this other audio sound came from. We were camping in this area, and there's some people, some other people in the camp area there as well, because it's kind of like a public area to camp in. You have to have a permit to camp in there. So I said, well, let's go, let's get away from here because it was kind of noisy, and let's go down close to the river, see what we can hear or see.

we walked away from the campsite, and where this sound was, we were probably about three-quarters of a mile, or maybe about a mile from the campsite. As we were walking, I felt everyone's got headlamps and so forth, and the moon was out that night. It was out pretty good, and it started going down later in the evening. But as we're walking, I said, okay, let's go lights out, you know, let your eyes adjust, and we'll walk down this trail, which was a fire break in the wood line. And we'll walk down this fire break all the way to up to the edge of the river. So as we're walking, man, we're hearing some, we're about halfway to the river, and we kept hearing some weird sounds.

I didn't notice it until I played it on the computer when I got the audio. Just to see what I got that night, because we heard some stuff. I was wondering if the audio picked it up well. The first sound that you hear on that is you hear a knock first, and it's a pretty clear knock. So we're just kind of standing there in the dark, and there was probably about, gosh, how many of it was what we were walking us to. There's probably about six of us that night.

I know it sounds like a lot. I usually don't take a large group out in the woodland that. But we just want to get away from the campsite and see what we can see or here. So we stopped and we're listening and we hear this knock. And I was like, we're going on about that. So he said, let's press on. Let's start walking towards closer towards the river. On the second clip, I didn't hear this while we were standing there.

I didn't hear it clear enough because walking around. This was on my parabolic mic. microphone that we've got these sounds from um i heard this on the when i played it back here at home i heard this this laugh sound and i don't know if you caught that or not but it it sounds really weird um it almost sounds like a evil laugh or something like hua and it echoes through the woods a little bit and then stops and the third sound we heard like a jabber or somebody something like a gibberish but it sounded like somebody was pissed off. And these sounds weren't that far from where we were at.

We were, it was almost like they were coming from the trail we came in on to get to the river. Now let me explain where this trail's at where this firebreak is right next to this guy's property that he has, that he, I don't know if he leases it or he lets friends come out there and they go hunting out there for deer. Well, he puts deer feeders on this property all through there. And incidentally, back in, I think it was 2006, on the edge of this guy's properties where we found some infant tracks, but we couldn't cast them because it was in that sugar sand. So we took a lot of photographs of it. But it was a trackway leading up to this guy's property. So we know they're out there, and there's little ones out there as well.

How big were those tracks? Those tracks were probably, I want to say a good maybe five to six inches. long. You can definitely see, you know, there were really small track. You can see faintly some toe marks and the little, the break in the middle of the foot. Have you ever looked into the little people? I've heard about it. I haven't looked into it, though, but I'm aware of what they say about the little people running in the forest and so forth. Well, I've been wondering about those small tracks, because sometimes when you find those tracks, it's interesting. I was talking to medicine woman down in the southwest.

And what she told me was, is when you find tracks that are five, six, seven inches long, you're not actually finding what the traditional Sasquatch tracks. And you can give me your opinion on this. What she was saying was those are the little people. She said, a baby Sasquatch doesn't walk around like that. They're always hanging on their mothers. And she told me, she said, West, if you ever go into the forest and you come across these tracks that are five, six, seven inches long, turn around and go back the way you came. Don't follow them.

You want nothing to do with these things because they are vicious and they have a certain name for them. They don't call them the little people, but for the audience and myself's sake, I'll call it the little people. But she actually had a name for them and she said they're very vicious and don't be fooled. Those aren't baby Sasquatch tracks. She said the Sasquatch, they carry their young, a lot like apes, a lot like gorillas, humans, they carry their young more than their young run around. And when they're that size, if you find tracks like that, especially if you're not finding adult tracks, you're just coming across small tracks like that. Those aren't Sasquatch tracks, and you need to be very careful.

I didn't know what your take on that was. Well, it's definitely of interest because in this area, the same area we're talking about here. here. There was reported for some people that clean up the areas. They found some tracks that were probably about a good 17 inches long by about six inches wide. And it went on for probably a good 20, 30 feet and then went into the woodline. I don't know. Could there be little people as well? I don't know. It could it could possibly be. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. you know, I don't put anything away thinking that it couldn't be yet. There's a big table of things that are out in the woods that we don't know about. So, you know, it's one of those things you throw up on the table and you come back to and, you know, have a look at it again. Yeah, it's in our, did you find anything else in that area? We found some, and there's always, there's always tree breaks and stuff like that.

We've actually gotten whistles and wood knocks in this area multiple times. The jabber that we got on this audio was pretty interesting. And then I'm trying to see where I wrote down. The fourth clip on this audio we got was what I think was another Sasquatch imitating another coyote. Yale because it, when it sounded off, again, we just kind of looked at each other, like, that wasn't a coyote. That was something else. And to me, I'm thinking, I'm wondering if it's the same one that we recorded back in 2006, or not 2006, I'm sorry, 2013 with the same, at the same Yale, because it kind of similarly sounded the same, but much closer this time.

And wasn't there a fifth clip? There was a fifth clip. That was just, let me see, the fifth one, we heard two snaps, two wood breaks. And that was pretty close. So that was probably within 75 yards of us. My parabolic mic picks up, picked up really pretty close. I mean, it goes out pretty far. So I'm trying to judge the distance where these sounds are coming from.

Of course, at night, everything travels pretty far. And I'm just guessing that is maybe about a 75 yards out where I heard, we heard these two wood snaps. That was about it for the rest of the night on that. So every other time we go out there, another part of where we go, not too far from this location, we've heard whistles, a lot of tree breaks. On my website, you can see some pictures we've taken. in the general area, there was a break eight foot off the ground where nothing fell on this thing.

So it's just another indication that these things are out there. Yeah, and I'm curious, why did you go to that area? Was there a siding that was reported in that area? Well, the area consists of over like 35,000 square miles of just woods. A lot of it's dealt out for hunting, water management area. areas. We went out there based on other reports that we've seen, you know, previously in previous years and the history of it. So after investigating the area, when I first moved close to the area, I moved down from North Florida. One of my biggest areas from up there was Locale

Fort, National Forest. So I was happy when I moved down here to the Lakeland, Florida area, there was area close by or actually multiple areas close by that had a lot of acreage to do research in. So, yeah, other reports that we've seen, we've drew our attention to that location and other locations in and around that. Have you guys ever had anything strange happen while you're out there? That may not be Bigfoot related, but just anything odd or strange happened while you're out there? Not in that area, I don't think. Just one of the guys, I don't know if it was Sasquatchwatch later in not, but he seems to think so. He had him and his stepson was with him together out checking out, I think they were putting out, I think they were putting out a recorder or they were doing something.

They're out there checking out the area for any kind of Sasquatch activity. And I think he was putting out a recorder or a camera, one of the two. And it was about dusk. It was starting to get dark, and he was getting kind of antsy to get out of there. And as they were leaving, he heard something like run up on him. The way he describes it, it sounded like it was heavy like a bull, is what he described it. And he said it sounded like this thing was running up on us. Like, I don't know if you ever felt that way that you felt the ground shake,

or he felt like something was coming up on you. He turns around and he doesn't see anything. His stepson was in front of him and he turns around too because he heard the same thing and felt the same thing. He felt the ground shape. So they turn around and there's nothing there. And that was pretty weird. That was pretty weird for him. And that just spooked him even more.

He said, let's get the hell out of here. Yeah, I don't blame him. I know I talked about it, I think, on the last show or the show I heard of that. Before anything, you know, Bigfoot came into my, really my vocabulary. When Woody and I were out hunting, we had something like that happened. And I said in the show like a horse, but I meant, what are those big Budweiser horses? I always have them in the commercials. The Clydesdale.

Yeah, it sounded like a Clydesdale. I mean, it sounded like a huge, huge horse. And it sounded like it ran in between us. And it was the oddest thing. I remember us just kind of looking at each other. You know, this is broad daylight, middle of the day. and both of us just kind of looked at each other in total confusion. Completely confused on what just happened.

But that is strange. I got to give my hat off to you guys for going out there at night in Florida. I don't know. I'd go out there during the day with all the snakes and gators and everything else that wants to kill you in Florida. I can't imagine when you say, hey, let's turn the lights off and let's go dark. You know, being from the Pacific Northwest going to Florida, I'd be like, nope, it ain't happening. My light's staying on. I don't want a cotton mouth to grab me.

I don't want to, you know, worry about everything else. Have you guys ever come across any lights or anything out there? Yeah, the same gentleman, his name John, he was telling about when he was down in the Everglades, he was with some guys down there, and they were off Turner River Road, which is a long dirt road that runs through the Everglades National Forest, and which there's a lot of sightings down there as well. But they were out there one night and they were driving down that dirt road and all of a sudden he says, what the heck is that, you know?

And I think there was a couple other guys in the car with him and it was a, he said it was like a red orb kind of floating in the air. And what he tried to do is he tried to catch up with it. And he was, I don't know how fast he said he was gone, but he said he had it down to the floor trying to catch up with this thing. And he said it never could catch up with it. And then all of a sudden it just took off real fast and was gone. Did he say how big it was?

I want to say he says about the size of maybe a golf ball or the size of a tennis ball maybe. It was kind of hard to judge because he didn't know how close or how far it was away from him. And that's why he was trying to speed up to see how close he can get to it. And they could never get close enough to judge exactly how big it was. But the thing moved off pretty fast, though. It just took off and disappeared. What's your take on that? Yeah, that is really strange.

What's your take on that? Because I've had a lot of researchers, most of them won't say it publicly, but privately almost every researcher I've ever talked to that's been out at night, maybe with the exception of a few, have seen that light, and they're really not sure what to make of it. They've come across, and I've heard it described as orange, red, blue, all yellow, all different colors. But the way people describe the way it moves, and especially when you start chasing it, it's, what's your take? What do you think that thing is? It could be, I don't know, it's hard to say.

It could be something paranormal, of course, you know. I've never seen any, any, orbs. I guess, I guess I'm not that special yet, but, but we used to have a research, a very good, dear friend of ours, she passed away. She was half, half Cherokee, I believe, and she would always see orbs in one of the locations we always go camping, and she, she's, she, was told that they were I don't know I think they had to do with

some kind of energy that was I'm not sure if it was paranormal or some kind of something else but she was told that there was some sort of energy they were there for some some sort of purpose or a purpose I don't know but

I just don't know what to make of it either I hear other people telling me stories about them and I know I think you said you and you and brother saw some words. Yeah, we filmed. Yeah, I don't know.

It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's pretty weird. I mean, I don't know what to make of it myself. I would say it has to be some sort of energy of some sort because it's, uh, you know, moves around and disappears and reappears. Yeah, they're odd. They're odd. And I, and I've had Native Americans describe them as energy, balls of energy, uh, demons. Um, and what's interesting is,

when you talk to a lot of natives about those lights, I know we're way off topic, but what's interesting is a lot of the natives will tell you to stay away from them. Don't follow them. If you see it, turn around and go back the way he came. It doesn't really, no one really has a happy, feel-good story about these little balls of light that people run into in the forest.

I wanted to ask you, what is your feeling about Sasquatch? What do you think it is we're chasing? It's kind of hard because over the years, I've been doing this a little over 20 years now, and I've seen a lot of things on both sides of the defense as far as these creatures, how they act, and also how, you know, the other side of the fence as far as the research people in the research field. I hear a lot of different things, different, you know, things that they say how they look and how different they are from one location to another. some look more ape-like, some look human-like. I would imagine that they're one of the same species with maybe some different races mixed in.

Are they human? Are they more animal? A little bit of both. It's hard to tell, but it's hard to say because even though some of them look different, everyone can agree that they are very intelligent and what they do. It could go either way. It could lean more towards a human aspect or something of an animal aspect,

just more intelligent than what's out there that we know of already. I can go either way on that. Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, until you dig that one out of your garage, that you've been studying for several years. Yeah, it's true. You know, until we, you know, we get one that maybe the government hasn't gotten a hold of yet. There's some conspiracy things going on.

But until we find out that hard evidence, we'll know more about them. But until then, it's a guessing game. You know, we can speculate all we want all day long. what they could be or what they are, what they do, and why they're here. But until we get some more concrete evidence of that, we're left to just keep researching, trying to investigate these areas. And I know I say we're researchers, but we're also investigators, too. We investigate people's stories and their reports.

We try to decipher if they're lying to us or they're telling the truth. So we play both parties of researchers and investigators on our team. Yeah, I find with most witnesses, I mean, you might get the one out of 1,000, but you know, you get the 1 out of 1,000 that might be lying about an encounter. But I think for the most part, most people are, whether it was misidentification, which is pretty rare. But most witnesses are pretty sincere when they come forward and say, hey, listen, I saw this or I saw that.

And, you know, does it worry you at all being out at night in some of these areas? Especially after listening to Steve's encounter, I guarantee you come across that creature at night, and you're going to be in some serious trouble. Oh, yeah. Especially, you know, just like any other animal, if it's got some young around, any animal is going to try to protect their young

or try to scare whatever's out of the area. You definitely don't want to take shots at something like that because he'll just make it, you know, you'll just piss it off even more. But yeah, it is kind of frightening sometimes. You know, we get in areas that there's this one area that I go, I went pretty much by myself sometimes in an area where there's these other two guys on our team are getting some audio, some strange things happening in this one area.

And I decided to go out there. And that's where I went to, I had my little GoPro. I just got a GoPro that day, or not that day, but pretty close. And I was out there testing it out. And unfortunately, I had it in one of those waterproof cases out there. And I was carrying around. And the sound didn't pick up really good on those. And I was investigating this area, checking it out, and there's two little ponds.

One pond was full of algae, green algae, and there's alligators in it. So I was just kind of sitting there on the edge of the pond there, filming some alligators floating around. And then all of a sudden there's a pond right behind me, behind some brush, really thick brush, trees, and palmetto bushes. and that pond was a clear spring-fed pond. While I was sitting there, I heard what all I can describe it as is a two-legged elephant running through the woods and taking large strides to get the heck out of dodge. Of course, I turn around like the Charmin moment, you know, trying to, like, oh, crap, is it coming after me, coming through these woods?

And if it is, you know, I was going to film this thing coming after me. But apparently it was going an opposite direction. It was trying to get away from me. But this thing sounded like it was just tearing through the woods, very heavy. And I want to say about six to eight strides, it stopped. And I said, well, it's got to be in the same area close to the area because it stopped, making the, it stopped running. So I go closer to this location.

I get over to the pond where I heard this. these footfalls. I'm looking around and I don't see anything. And that's strange in itself because the weight of this thing and the sound that it was making, just taken off through the woods. It was very, very heavy. I want to say at least 800 pounds or better. Just judging off, just judging off the footfalls I was hearing. And that's interesting. So it was two legs is what you're hearing. It wasn't for. right yeah you can tell the difference if it's a deer or a hog running through the woods

four legs this thing is definitely you can hear the footfalls boom boom boom and going through the brush you know hitting the saplings going through the brush like that and when I got when I got over there I was like okay I'm expecting to see something and I don't see anything I'm looking around I even I think even got my binoculars out and I'm trying to look through the wood line with my binoculars showing to pick out, see if this thing was ducked down behind something.

And of course, I'm by myself. Of course, you know, I'm thinking to myself, well, if I go out there, if I go any further out there, you know, maybe this thing's going to tear me apart and nobody will know what happens to me after a few days. But, yeah, it was pretty interesting. And we've put in some recorders out there and got some other strange things as well, some sounds, some whistles, some something walking up to the audio. audio recorder.

Yeah, but very interesting. Let me ask you, what is it you're hoping to accomplish out there? What is it you're open? What would be the main goal for going out there and tracking these things? Well, my main goal, or our main goal, is try to get a good video of these creatures. I know that sounds kind of far-fetched, but I'm not one to take pictures, snap pictures. I do everything by video. Pictures are fine for footprints or, you know, tree structures or tree breaks or any of that sort of thing.

But video, you know, if you're going to get something out on video, you're going to see its local motion. You're just going to get a lot more from a video of these things. The other thing is we want to have first contact with these creatures. We want to, and I know you'll probably disagree with this, but we've probably disagree with this, but we would like to maybe, you know, if they are able to befriend, which I've read in some different literature that I've read over the years, that some of these things will come right up to you. And, you know, some of them are crazy or want to rip your arm off and beat you with it.

Some are pretty, you know, pretty tame as far as they're more, they're interested in what you are and so forth. But then again, you have to, you know, have to be smart about it too. We would like to get, you know, first contacts as far as maybe getting up close to one of these things and filming it and I wouldn't say befriended, but maybe gain its trust enough to learn more about it.

That's kind of like a mountain to climb there to get to ask for something like that, but, you know, it's something to shoot for. I definitely don't want to shoot these things, just to drag one in and say, yeah, here's the proof. If you can communicate with these things some sort of way or

even use like hand motions as far as communication, I'm sure these things are pretty intelligent to understand some hand communications. It'll be interesting. I mean, I know it sounds kind of

far-fetched, but after you've done everything in this field to get audio, to get video, you just want to do more. You want to get closer. You want to get close to these things. You want to figure out more about them. And I think that's what keeps us all going. No, I hear you. And I understand where you're coming from.

You know, we all have different opinions on it. And it doesn't necessarily mean, you know, my opinion's right. You know what I mean? And so, you know, I understand exactly what you're saying. I know getting audio sometimes or getting video sometimes. I always hear a lot of researchers and investigators talking about how they just love to get the holy grail of video. And, you know, it didn't hit me until I talked to Bob Gimlin. And him and I were sitting around the fire one night, I think it was at Beachfoot.

And Bob told me that it was the biggest regret of his life. He wished you would have never filmed that thing. He wished you would have never went down. there. You wished you would have never, ever got involved in any of this. And I asked him why, you know, and, you know, God, it's the Patterson Gimlin film. Why wouldn't you want to be a part of that? And he said, you know, Wes, I got attacked more over that film. That film ruined my life. And, you know, he was saying how he just regretted getting it because it wasn't, you know, in their mind, they got this creature on film, bring it back and try and show it to the public. And then, you know,

everyone's saying, well, these guys are hoaxers, these guys are liars, that's a guy in a suit, that's this, that's that. And I don't think Bob was quite prepared for that type of reaction. It's not like he was looking to be the hero of the world, but I don't think he was expecting that type of reaction off that film. And that's probably one of the best films we have is those two guys that got that, you know, whether people believe it was a sask, Patty was a Sasquatch or not. But hands down, it's one of the best videos, I think, that we've gotten, but when he talked to Bob, there's more regret when he talks about it than anything positive. It was more of a negative impact on his life. And that's why, you know,

I know you get videos. I get videos sent to me. And I've kind of backed off on posting videos to the website when I get them because it just causes more heartache than it does. You know what I mean? You try and share with people. And it's the old argument you hear from the skeptics. Well, why don't we have this? Why don't we have that? And the moment, you present something, everyone tears it apart. Even people in the Bigfoot community who believe in Bigfoot tear it apart. And it's just like, hey, man, I'm just trying to share with you what I got. I'm not looking for.

So, you know, you know, and so, you know, getting one on film, I don't think, is really, I hope you get one on film and I hope it proves it. I can get out of the Bigfoot world and move on to UFOs or something. Yeah. Another mountain to climb. Yeah, move on. But you're right. But back in 67, back in Bob and Rogers Day, and of course, the media isn't like it is now.

I mean, they just rip you it apart from limb to limb even worse now. But, you know, we know that that's going to happen. We know that people are going to tear whatever you get. They're going to tear it apart. But that's why you do good research. you document everything. And also today, there's more people more interested in the subject. I think nowadays they're coming around to, okay, especially with more people seeing sightings

of Bigfoot or other strange things. And, you know, people are now starting to say, okay, yeah, that guy we knew wasn't as crazy as we thought it was, you know. I've talked to people that didn't believe in any of this stuff until they saw one that day. Yeah. And then they just changed their life around because they used to make fun of people that believe in Big Brother Sasquatch until one day they saw it. And then they totally did a 180 on the whole thing.

People were going to tear you down no matter what. And, you know, I'm prepared for that. It's just, you know, it's just something that goes with it, you know. and you just prepare for it. I mean, I know they're going to rip you apart, even if you've got a better film footage than Roger Patterson and Bob God. But that's where the good equipment comes in.

I mean, they can say, well, you know, it was hoax. You do this and that. You're going to get the same audience naysayers telling you the same thing. But if you look at a video, clear video, especially in what we have now is 4K video. You can count the hairs on these things faces if you get that close. And even if you don't, you can still zoom in and count the reality of it. I mean, we have so much better equipment nowadays to be able to present to a certain group that can study it.

We definitely don't go out. And if we do find any kind of evidence of that sort or even a body, the media, for one, will be the last people we contact because of all the backlash. And not only that, but some things we may get that we don't want from certain individuals and authorities. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I still think one has to be shot and brought in. And I think if someone got a great video of one, even on, and I know Tom C. Wood is probably listening. I know he'll disagree with me on this, but, you know, even if you get one on great video, it's just going to go down as, hey, nice video, good job.

And then the other half of the audience will be, you know, calling you every name in the book and thrown mud in your way because they'll say you're a liar and you hoaxed it or if it was a guy in his suit or technology's gotten better. David's a master at CGI. And so he CGIed it. You know what I mean? And so that's why I always say one has to be shot and brought in. Now it's easier said than done. But that's really what I think has to be done. And there's nothing wrong with your Jane Goodall approach.

You know, I wish you the best. I hope that you guys, I mean, hey, I would love that. If someone came back and had evidence and said, hey, they took me in and I was able to get up close to this thing. and I'd be all for it. I just don't, in my own opinion on that is, just be careful. Don't get too close. Just don't get too close to me. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I definitely don't think or put too much into it that that would happen. It would be nice that it would happen that way. Yeah, it would be great. But I think we're dealing with something other than apes like Jane Goodall was dealing with. I mean, these things will, They make gorillas look like little teddy bears. I mean, that's how strong they are. Gaining their trust, I think, is key.

And if we are able to do that and get closer to them, I mean, I'm not going to go up there and give it a bear hug or something. I'm not that crazy. Yeah. But it would be nice to get within, you know, 20 feet of something like this. Yeah, I agree. Without it being aggressive, aggressive to you. It's one of those things.

you just hope for the best and be prepared for the worst. Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. Well, David is from the Independent Sasquatch Research Team. Check out his website, ISRTUSA.com. And David, I really appreciate you helping me with witnesses, you know, that I've had encounters out there in Florida to go out and take a look or help the witness out in any way. I know you were more than willing to help me in a couple situations,

So I do appreciate it very much. And you'll have to keep me up to date on what's going on out there in Florida. Is there anything you want to promote? Just our website. If anyone traveling through Florida or possibly lives in Florida, if you have any encounters or hear strange things, you know, in the location, any location here in Florida, just jump on our website and shoot us an email.

We got people in South Florida, North Florida. You got people all over the place, actually, in different states. So just give us a call. There's a phone number on our website. You can call. You can shoot an email to us as well. And you can also just check out our YouTube videos, tracking Sasquatches. We go out in the field and we show you pretty much what we do.

And a lot of times I don't get nothing. Sometimes we get some pretty interesting stuff. But yeah, just contact us if you're in the state of Florida or anywhere, actually. I personally know a lot of people throughout the country that if something happened in a certain state that we're not in, I can definitely get you hooked up with somebody in that state that can definitely check it out for you. Well, David, thanks again for coming on. Thank you, Wes. I enjoyed it. Very much appreciate you bringing me on the show. And hopefully we'll talk again about some other interesting encounters.

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