Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:289 Shooting at a Sasquatch

Episode Date: January 13, 2017

I will be speaking to the host of the Vault Of Nightmares tonight. He has some very interesting encounters to share while growing up on his grandfather's farm. His grandfather would warn him about these creatures and told him to stay away from certain areas on the farm. He made the mistake of hunting that area with his cousin and they shot at one of these creatures.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, and he grabbed a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. Kind of had to move some things around this week because of scheduling conflicts with witnesses. But I went on the Vault of Nightmares, their YouTube channel, And I had a long discussion with those guys over two hours, had a ton of fun. And I know the host of the show, he's asked me not to use his name, and I will respect that. He's decided to come on the show and share some of his encounters and how he got into the subject. And even a time where him and his cousin, I know his cousin, had accidentally shot at one of these creatures.

Very interesting stuff. I know that I could probably talk to this investigator witness for hours and hours. hours and hours. And I apologize, they didn't come up with the name form. I just told him. I wouldn't use his name. A great guy, really enjoy talking to him. Very knowledgeable guy, too. Remember, if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, become a member of the site, help support the show. A lot of cool things. They do additional shows. There's a forum and a lot of interaction with a lot of people.

on the site. So if you get a chance, I hope you can check it out. Wherever you're at, wherever you're listening to this. I hope you're nice and warm. I know we had like a foot of snow here in the last gosh, a couple days, which doesn't sound like much, but where I'm at, half inch shuts down the city so you can imagine what a foot of snow's done. It's getting a little cabin fever, but I appreciate you guys listening to tonight. Let's jump into it tonight. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome. We'll call them the vault keeper for tonight. Welcome to the show. Thank you for being here. That's no problem. Thank you for having me.

What's interesting about your situation is you kind of grew up with these creatures and your grandfather actually talked to you about these creatures. I'd like to kind of start there. Would you mind kind of starting and talking about what your grandfather told you about these things and your experiences around that property? Yes, sir. After me and one of my family members had a run-in the very first time was one that didn't end pretty well. I came back, scared, didn't know.

I'd never heard of Bigfoot, never thought of Bigfoot, was not on my radar, nothing else. I was about 13 years old, I'm going to say. Got in trouble very severely. That's when he then told me, look, There's things out in the woods that can hurt you that most people don't know about. And at first it confused me. I'm like, okay, well, what do you mean most people don't know about?

He said, well, traditional people don't believe these creatures exist. They've been around as far back as, you know, he'd been told. My grandfather was Native American. He told me stories of, you know, that he was told it was passed down that these creatures, if given an opportunity, would snatch children up, would snatch women up, men, and carry them off and supposedly eat them. He told me, since I was going to run around the woods like that,

what I needed to do was to avoid them. If I thought they were in the area to leave, he told me he didn't care if I found a pot of gold, leave it and leave because it's not worth your life. because these creatures don't like it most of the time when you invade their area or you could just have one that's in a bad frame of mind

as he put it so he would get you know he carried me out showed me an area probably about five miles from my house it's a certain valley I tell the story on my YouTube channel

they called it Bougar Valley Now the story that I tell did not happen to me. It happened to a friend of mine that lived just a little piece down the road. Now, I had been all over this property that I tell the story about. And I said, we were taught how to avoid what to look for if we even thought there was one in the area to leave. And I said, I've had multiple sightings when I was younger. Some of them were good. So what I mean by that is all they did with basically throw rock sticks or holler at us or me.

And a couple times, it got pretty hairy. Tell us about the first time you ran into one of these creatures. What were you out doing and what did it look like? If you would for the audience, kind of describe what you were doing and then kind of talk about what you actually saw. Okay. Well, the very first time I said I had no idea. these creatures even existed. We were deer, honey.

Me and, I said, my family I know, which is my cousin. Growing up, that was basically my best friend growing up. We were deer honey, and he was a lot younger than I was. I think I was like 13 or, I think it was 13 to 14, and he was around

10 to 11. And I said, he didn't have a father growing up. He was raised by his single parent or his mother. and I was big into hunting and he wanted to follow, you know, kind of right in my footsteps. So I was teaching him how to hunt, which, and I was actually still learning a good bit at the time, too. Well, we had a little thing going on at school where, you know, the guys did. Whoever killed the biggest buck that year, we kind of like put a little pool together.

I think it might have been $50 or $60 or something like that. I said, we were just kids. we had somebody else, you know, hold the money in their locker at school. And, like I said, at the end of the year, at the end of the deer season, whoever had killed the biggest deer would win the pool. And they got bragging right for that year. Well, I've done seen this book a couple years in a row, and he was a monster.

I was an old deer. If anybody deer hunts, when I say, you know, he didn't get so old, he then took on almost of a grayish look into his coat. I'm talking big mass of deer. And there was just one area on my grandfather's property, which led in to what I called Booker Valley at the time. I didn't know that. There was just one area we were always told to stay out of. Now, moonshining was big in the area that I grew up in.

And just for, I figured for, you know, reason why they didn't want kids going back there, maybe that was their, you know, somebody's moonshines still or, fight or something, but deer in that time of the year, you don't make Moonshack. So I was like well, I'm going to sneak back here. I know that deer's back here. I'm going to sneak back there and put me a stand up.

That's where I'm going to hunt at. Well, I had a home-built deer stand. I built in a shop class. It was built at a drill tent pipe. A lightweight drill tempite. Like what they used to drill water wells. It's not quite as

heavy gauge is what they used for oil oil. I'd wound up on some of it. That's what I made the stand with. The stand from the top of the stand to the bottom where it touched the ground at was almost 17 feet, if I'm not mistaken.

I said, I'd snuck out there, put that stand up probably two weeks before deer season that started. So, you know, the deer would get acclimated to that thing being out there. Any smells that I got on it or whatever

well I remember exactly what time of the year this was because we got out Christmas back then we got out like a week before and a week after Christmas you know for the new year well the second day we were out of school the wind was just right everything was just right my cousin was there with me I said look we're going to this secret spot can't tell nobody and we get out there and he's like ain't this is where we were told not to go. I said, well, you just keep your mouth shut. I said, we're going to get this big deer.

Now, he doesn't have a gun. He's using my 12-gauge. It's Mossburg 12-gauge 500 series. There's a vented barrel on top. And the way I always load my shotgun was I had a buckshot slug, buck-shot slug, buck-shot, lug, buck-shot slug. And then I was using, I'd save up all summer long

and bought me a browning grade two 30 out of 6 automatic. I was super, super, super proud of that good and I'm talking about it cost me a good bit of money.

Anyway, that's what I was using. I had a scope on it and everything. I think it was three by nine Redfield I had on it

if I'm not mistaken. It was either Redfield or Casco. I can't remember. I think it was Redfield. But we'd got there probably an hour before

sun up because this deer had been coming. coming out, I patterned it. It had been coming out just right at Sun, I mean, not sunset, sunrise. And between sunrise and 9 o'clock, it was coming out in this little thicket area through a bunch of pine trees. And it would come out, go into the hardwoods, and then circle around and go right back in. And this is the only clear area that I could find to get a shot at this deer. We get there way before, like I said, probably an hour before

sunrise. We get in our stand. We're not making any noise. You know, and everyone, he's kind of sitting below me. And I'm sitting up above him. It's not like double side to the side like you have now. He's actually sitting kind of in between my legs in an area that I've built extra. And I can almost lean, I'm close enough

I can lean down on top of his ear. We're sitting there and sitting there. And the wind changed directions a couple of times and I always tried to hunt the way I was taught was hunt with the wind in your face. That way if you do have any smell that you can't get off you usually you're okay because

the wind is not blowing to the deer, blowing away from the deer. And that's what I'd set to stand up and that's why I was decided because the wind was in the perfect direction. Well it kept changing that morning though. Every once in a while a gust would come up and push or sent down that area

down through that area. But Most of the time it was bowling from the area we will want the deer to come out at to us. Well, right before it started getting light, we got this just crazy smell coming out. And me, I said, I'm actually still learning. I'd always have been told, you know, old big bucks, especially during this time of year, which is the time when the rut comes in, they give off a musky odor anyway. I'm thinking, that's the deer. I leaned down, and as a matter of fact, I remember telling him, I believe he's, you know, getting out there close to the edge.

You know, he could come out at any minute. So, keep your eyes open and looking around. Now, the way the stand is set up, we're about 75 yards away from where the deer's going to come out, it should walk towards us and close the gap into about 40 yards, and he'd turn and walked in a little draw into a hardwood bottle. And that way, I could get a shot, or he could get a shot. get a shot. Usually there was another deer that followed up behind this deer.

But it was deer in the rut, so I figured a doe or something would come out. And my cousin could get a shot at the dough, and I was going to try to take the big book. Well, I said, we kept smelling this smell. I'm telling me, this went on to a, you know that time of the morning where it's not quite daylight, but it's not dark either. Or shadows and, you know, you can see dark objects and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, that's the, that's about the time that the, the,

first time I seen something moved. Now I said, we're 75 yards away, and I did not have binoculars. I just didn't have any at that time. And I was just using my record to check out stuff. Well, I kept seeing something move down there. And I told him, I said, I see something. He said, yeah, he said, I thought I seen a tree move. I said, I don't think you seen a tree move.

Here's not going. These are pine saplings. They're probably seven to eight inches around. I'm not thinking of the deer's just to move a sapple of them, but okay. But he kept saying, I thought I'd see on a tree move. And we're sitting there and we're sitting there. And the smell just gets, I just gets stronger. I was like, darn, I said, that deer really must be rutting good.

You know, that's a good sign. And we had had deer sent out a buck in, a buck and do urine out in the area right there, too, to mask our smell and hopefully bring him in. You know, every once in a while we catch our own smell. There was one smell that I just could not, it just stunk, old garbage, skunk, just a whole bunch of mixture. And I'm thinking, man, that just stinks. What in the devil?

Well, then he keeps telling me, he keeps telling me, I see something moving. So I lift my gun up, I'm looking down there, and I catch a glimpse of hair. And at first I thought it was the deer, you know, the deer. But it was like a rusty looking color. I'm like, that's not the, the last time I've seen this deer, it was almost, it had great look to it. There must be another deer. Maybe it's another deer with that deer. I don't know.

So we're going on. I said, this is time kicking on and it's starting to get more and more light. All of a sudden, I do see a tree move. I'm thinking, what is he doing, rubbing a, making a rub on a pine tree, which, I'd never seen a deer rub a pine tree, but most of the time they rub cedars, gums, little oaks. But, you know, I'm, like, I said,

I'm new to hunting, so I'm like, okay, well, they do rub pine trees. I said, it's time it keeps going on. I said, and I've seen another tree moves. I'm like, I mean, he was he making two trees move. So now I'm bringing my gun back up. I'm looking. And as I get to looking, I notice the hair and stuff I'm seeing

is way too down and way too high up in the trees for the big dang deer because I know about where the limbs started out on the tree and they come up the first limbs come up to about my middle of my stomach

at that time now that's pretty good that's higher than a deer is going to be you know that a deer should be and I can see hair it looks like being above that but now I'm really looking and all

a sudden, then I get to notice, and I'm like, that looks like an elbow. Wait a minute. This don't make good sense now. And then as I trace, you know, I'm looking up, looking for the elbow, and I'm like, okay, and I keep looking, and all of a sudden, I see a face. But the crazy thing was, it's not a face that you would expect to see. This is the crazy-looking thing that I ever seen. My first thought was somebody was playing a joke.

on us. You know, somebody's saying my deer's staying out there. They're trying to scare us. They're trying to run us off. You know, because we're not supposed to be anyway. You know, somebody's messing with us. Well, by that time, this thing kind of steps half in, half out of that thicket there. Now, I can see it

pretty good. And I'm looking through a scope and I've got it turned up as high a little goat. And I'm not the 75-garde away. My first actual thought, when I was little, I used to be big in the ratchling. I thought somebody, I thought Andre the Giant was in a Chewbacca outfit. Because you remember that, uh, uh, maybe Return of the Jedi. He had just come out in the theater.

And we had went to see it just a couple. That's why the first thing I thought of was Chewbacca. Except for the face looked like some kind of, the way I can describe it is this one did have kind of a comical shape head. It's not like a tone head. It does go up and it's not, it goes up and it's kind of, of a triangular form, I'd say. But the forehead is, you know, way, it's sloped back and looks like it's bigger than it should be.

There's an iridged bone that sticks out that you can see. The easiest way I can describe that was, used to be a show Star Trek, and then it was just thing called a cling on on there. And that's what it reminded me of sort of the forehead and the eye ridge was, you know what I'm talking about, the cling on thing? Yeah, kind of like, uh, Kind of like Neanderthals had that, that broad. Yeah, yeah, that's the easiest way.

Like that, it said, not quite like that, but in that, like that. And his eyes looked like they were sunk back further in its head, then what I thought they should, you know, what it looked like it normally should be like a gorilla or something like that, but it didn't look like a gorilla. And it had these freaking big, huge black eyes. the eyes well man

just freaky because they're just black I'm talking about think of souless dark black and I don't remember seeing no pupil

I don't think it had one I remember just seeing black eyes and then it's basically you come down to its nose and his nose is kind of

squished flat but it's got nostril holes like ours and it's wide and it's got this big wide mouth and every once in a while it's taking it

it's got lips like we do and it looks like it keeps like at first I thought it was grinning smiling but it's lifting its top lift up its top lip up like it's showing its teeth just you know teeth it's not making a smile but it's lifting its its top lip keeps moving and he keeps putting his head back sniff in the air and he you mean to me honestly he act like he was getting more agitated as it went along and that's when I noticed the wind and change directions and now our scent is going that way and I honestly believe this thing called a whiff of us,

but we were in full camouflage, and he couldn't find it. He couldn't see us because we're not moving. Well, the way my cousin's got his holding his gun, he's right-handed. So he's got the butt of the gun and his right-hand, you know, with holding it with a forearm and his left hand. Well, I tell him, I said, look, haunt your gun in that direction,

in case this thing takes off at us, because I don't think that's a man. I don't know what that is. So the first, and for like, this went on for probably three or four minutes. It wouldn't just for a few seconds or whatever. This thing is standing there.

And the longer standing there, the more scared I'm getting, the more scared he'd get it. And what it's doing is trying to figure out what we are. Because at this time, we still had mood, really, and we're not making any noise. Well,

if he goes to swap his hand from, swap the gun around from his right hand to his left hand, so he could get, you know, put the gun, put the barrel of the gun on that creature, or animal,

whatever you want to call that, because I said, I ain't sure what it, this time this is. The barrel of the gun hits that metal stand, and it goes, as soon as it does that,

this thing looks straight up that hill, looks, I'm talking about dead in our direction. That thing keyed in on that sound so dead, dumb fast and so, so accurate, I just couldn't believe it.

Because I'm looking through a scope now. And I tell him, be careful. I said, go. I said, and this thing just blows his head back. And it starts, we're like he's sucking like that. And I don't know. And it's kind of like waving its arm that I can see, you know, just waving. And it's not like back and forth.

It's kind of like in front of it. And it's kind of like hitting the tree. The whole dang tree is shaking. Now, I did not realize that my cousin. had took the shotgun off safety during this time. He swapped it around. And when this thing starts doing this, he just gets scared. And all of a sudden, he just throws his head back and does what I call a siren scream.

And when he done that, my cousin freaked out, tensed up. And when he did, his finger was in the trigger well, and he pulled the damn trigger. And the gun went off. Now, we're 75 yards away, and the first round he had in the shotgun, was bookshuts. I don't think he actually hit the creature, but it made him madder than hell. Because he covered that ground,

as soon as he pulled that trigger, he covered 75 yards in such a length of time, I couldn't react to do anything. It ran by us, and the whole time it's running by us now, it's doing this, and swats. And as it comes by,

it hits right below my cousin's feet. Hits that metal deer stand, and I swear it, they broke like two picks. If anybody's ever used to a ladder stand, if you break the legs out, the top's coming to the ground. We come to the ground, we hit the ground, we both landed.

It kind of knocked the air out of us. We rolled and went the opposite direction. We left everything of the direction it was. And ran, we got back to the house. We get back to the house. He's going bonkers. There's a mock. There's a monster.

And we called my grandfather, Papa. He's screaming to the top of his lungs. Papa, there's a monster out there. It's after. It's just after. And he turns and he looks. And he sees how we're looking. I'm talking about we're cut up with briers and everything.

We didn't take the normal path back on. We just went the direction home was for whatever we could go through to get away from this thing. Anyway, he looks at me and says, what have y'all been up to? I said, Papa, I said, there's something down there. that wood in those woods that's big hairy and mad as hell first time i ever remember cussing in front my grandfather he said where were y'all at and i just looked and i said at uh over in the in the bottom close to the uh the hardwood thicket and the uh the creek he got so freaking man i've never said my grandfather gets so mad i got the worst whipping i'd ever got that day now i only have i been

got the snot scared out of me and i got tore up my briars and everything now I just got a weapon. At the time, I did not know why. Now, we left guns, everything out there. At the time, I didn't want to go back in the woods because I didn't know what this was and what had happened. Well, I said, that was just a few days for Christmas. Well, Christmas came, went,

and then the next week was, I think it was like the middle of the week. I don't remember exactly what day it was. He comes to me that morning after I finished my chores. He says, he always said, boy. I don't care how I make our boys so many times for him. He said, boy, he said, we need to go down there and get that stuff y'all left. I said, sir. He said, we need to go down there.

You said, y'all left staying and stuff like that down there. I said, yes, sir. He said, well, come on. He said, we need to go down and get it. I said, yes, sir. So let me go get my, I had a 30-30 in the house. Let me go get my other gun. And I'll be right now.

He said, you don't need that. I said, nah, I'm animate. Pop off. This thing is probably still down there. We don't made it mad. I don't think his thing is nothing. He said, don't worry about that. He said, just come on.

So I take him back up there, take him to the treating. And the whole time of this, I don't realize he's got this little, I don't know if any of your viewers or listeners know what a tosack is. But, you know, it's made out of like a canvas or a burlap. This is a small one. Probably think of this. size of a sack of sugar, or a five pounds of sugar.

I didn't notice, so I'm scared even about going down, especially we're going in there and we ain't got no gun. I didn't realize if he had this with him. We gather all our stuff up. My gun is still laying there, or what's left of my gun,

and my shotgun that my cousin was using is still laying there. The both of them are bent and broken half. I'm talking about he, he took a 12-gauge shotgun, and you know how I straws you get this bendy on the end you flex them over that's the way the barrel of the shotgun

look it just looked like something grabbed it with two different hands and just the end of the barrel and then the he actually broke the rifle in half because you know the way it's made it was more I guess it was more sturdier than when he went to bend it it just snapped and it broke right before the barrel and the breach of the gun of the uh the uh the receiver the gun come together. He just broke it. And I said, this wasn't a key. This is a browning

grade 2, 30 out six. Fully automatic. I'm not fully. I mean, it's automatic. I think they call them BARs now for sure. But he breaks it. I'm talking about the stand looks like something tried to ball it around

a tree that we had to, it took me and my grandpa both to kind of pull back and get it loose from the tree. And we get all that stuff. I start to leave, and he takes that. That's when I noticed he had that little bag with him. He said it at the bottom of that tree where that deer stand was, where we set that deer stand up,

turned around and looked at me and told me, don't ever, I don't mean the question of him, this is his very words. Do not ever bring your damn ass back in here again. What did he leave behind? I don't know what was in the bag. I didn't even know that he had it until, He set it down because I said, I'm scared the whole time.

You know, I'm thinking that this thing is going to be down there when we get down there. And I didn't realize he had this bag with him until he set it upon that tree. And he turned around because he was still bent over pointing at me and then said, but I just said it. And when he got back to the house, I threw the, we had a scrap pile. I threw everything, just threw everything because there wasn't a saving nothing. I threw everything in the scrap pile, gun parts, everything. in the scrap pile. Well, a couple of days went by

my grandfather now was one of his man that you didn't ask a whole lot of questions and he didn't talk a whole lot. If he told you something, that's what he meant and he was short-worded. Well, he was out putting up the horses one evening. And I asked

him, I said, Papa, I said, what was that thing? And that's when we kind of sit there in the barn and he explained to me what he thought we had run into and what he thought these were. He called him the Harry Baxter. He said they had been roaming around this area before even he was a child.

People had went missing that had went in certain areas. People that put up steels and moonshine steel back in that area, they'd go in there and put their steel up, put their corn mash in. They start mashing in. They go back to run their liquor. And sometimes those people will never see any again. Or they get there in their mashed barrel. I'm talking about thinking of a 55-gallon drum barrel.

The mash is not spilt on the ground, but the barrel is gone. You're talking about a couple hundred pounds. You know, water weighs eight pounds a gallon. You're talking about a 55-gallon drum, almost full to the top with water and soaked up corn and the other ingredients that I think will name in this. So I'm talking about it's more than just water. So it's really, really, I say, it's a couple hundred pounds. And there's no mash spilt, but the barrel is gone.

Two men, three men couldn't tote when his barrels off, full of mash. And it's gone. There's no drag marks. There's no nothing. I'm curious. Did your grandfather ever talk about a time where he ran into them? Yes, sir. They toaded off a genie one time.

I don't know if you know what a genie is. I don't. Would you explain it for the audience and myself? Okay. Well, a genie is, you take a, I don't, I think I'm right about this, it's been so long. A genie is the mama to a jackass. You take a genie and a horse and bring them together,

and that's how you make a jacket or jack. All right, and they're just a little bit smaller than a jack. I don't like cussing on your show like that, but they're just a little bit smaller, but they're pretty honoring. But something had, my grandfather said he went out there and he had a chore. He done every day himself. He made sure all his horses, goats, everything like that. They were brought back up to the house and they had corrals.

He put them in the corrals. They were never left out. I don't care what was going on. stormy it was, whatever. They were never left out to roam the pastures. He brought all that in every night. He said the reason why that was was because when he was younger,

he had a little genie that was his. He had bought himself and he would ride it and all that kind of stuff. When he was a kid, that was his entertainment and his pet. Well, he went out to the field one morning to catch his genie, and he was going to get on it,

and he was going to go down to meet some of his friends of the creek, and that was going to go fishing. and swimming and all kinds of stuff like it. Well, when he went out there, he heard the genie just doing bananas in the back field. And he's like, it must be coyotes or wild dogs or something because a genie will fight if a coyote gets in there or a wild dog or something. They will fight that thing.

That's why most people kept them in their pastures and stuff around their livestock because they will kill a coyote quick. And he thought that must be what it is. there's a couple of calories or something like that. He takes off running. As he tops over this little hill, he sees, he says this, like I said, he calls him big hairy bastard.

He said, this big hairy bastard was standing there and had picked his genie up, and it looked like her neck was turned facing the wrong, all the way around twice, facing the wrong way, and he picked it straight up off the ground like it was a dog, threw it over his shoulder, and started walking away back towards the woodline. I said, what did you do?

He said, I just stood there. He said, I was crying. I was mad. He said, this thing picked up my genie. He said, you got to understand. This genie probably weighed eight to 900 pounds. This was a big, this was a full-sized big genie. I'm talking about because it been well-fed.

He said, it had to weigh at least that much. And it picked it up like it was a doll and just threw it over its shoulder and walked away. That was his first encounter and stuff of him. and then I guess after that he didn't like them. He absolutely hated them. Now, he said several years after that

there was a man that went down in there that a paper company owns the timber where we call Bougar Valley. A paper company owns it. Supposedly a man went in there to cruise the timber for the paper company to see, you know,

how well the trees were growing, what size they were, what the average price of trees, stuff like it was. That's what they mean by cruising. Well, he went down under cruising timber. He went missing. He didn't come back for several days. Well, then some people from the paper mail

come around started asking questions. Well, they set off down in the woods to go down to find him, and they got run out by some of these damn things. Well, then they got a bigger uproar going, and several of the locals, you know, kept telling them they were already mad because these things were grabbing their lifestyle,

and stuff like that and the sheriff's time he kind of I guess you'd call it made a posse up like the old days and they were going to go down there and you know deal with this they didn't work out that well for them I think another man got killed and several others went up in the hospital and what they wind up doing was setting a fire making a fire ring around that around that place and they burnt everything they just set the whole down place on fire just to run them I try to run them out and get rid of them is the story that he told me. But I do believe another man wound up getting killed.

They actually threw a tree, and it hit him and landed on him and crushed him. It broke his back. And then several others got hurt, and that's when I said they set a fire, and I said, they probably burnt. This is timber land, a paper cup of land. That's how they make their money. They probably burnt. Oh, it's probably a mile across and two miles deep of woods. That's amazing.

I don't know if you've ever heard of anything like that happening before or someone trying that are doing that. There's an area in Alaska. It wasn't Sasquatch. Well, who knows at this point, but it was Mountain Giants. People were reporting seeing these mountain giants. And they describe them a little bit different than Sasquatch. More like the Kandahar Giants is basically what people are describing. And it was a timber company owned a bunch of them.

of land. And coincidentally, the whole area burnt down. No one ever figured out who started the forest fire, but it burnt down a whole area up there. And right before it burnt down, there was all these reports of these mountain giants, people running into these mountain giants, people coming up missing, and it was all timber company land, and they ended up burning the place down. I had a lady one time on the show. She named off the name of the fire. And so that's, it was, it was started to get rid of these things, get them out of the area. And she worked for the government. It's a whole other story.

Well, apparently it worked for several, several years. And I guess over time, they kind of moved back in the area. But they don't stay there all the time. Now, during the hot, hot, hot summer months, you probably, it's very rare. You would hear somebody say they'd seen one or, you know, they would have the out of currencies like barns with the doors on, on the barns would be. pulled off the hinges and stuff like it, you know, just odd stuff like it, wouldn't happen during the highest part of the summer month.

Now, when it got into the fall, like around October all the way through, I'm going to say May. Oh, yeah, that they were heavy in the area. I wanted to ask you, going back to your encounter, you and your cousin's encounter, looking back on that whole situation, why do you think the creature didn't kill you to? because we, I think because we were armed and he had already done shot at it, and it was coming through, it, it, it come at us and, like I said, it hit the, I think it was trying to hit one of us when it hit the stand, and it just kept going.

It made a B-line, I'm talking about straight for us, hit that stand, and then he kept going. And when we hit the ground, we were going, just happened to be going kind of diagonal from it, and you could hear it tearing trees and everything else. I think then it came back after it figured out, We took off and it tore the guns and stuff like that. But I think it thought we were going to, we were shoot at it trying to kill it. And because we were armed, I think that's the only reason why we survived. Yeah, and you might be right on that, actually.

And I love to hear the witness's perspective on what they thought was going on in the moment. Now, around this property, did your grandfather ever talk about them coming up to the home? Did he ever have any problems with them actually coming up to his home? or was it mainly just around the property? We had only had him come up around our house, like, just a couple of times. And what he would do, he always put out what I call this time. I didn't know what. I didn't know why when I was younger.

He'd done it. After I got older, I figured out why he was doing it. Like, I don't know if you ever heard, like, the old thing they'd do, train wire up around and put tin cans and bottles with rocks and BBs and stuff like that, and it will make noise and stuff. This is, I said, when I was younger, we didn't have, like, the flood, big floodlights and stuff. Now, later on, he bought floodlights and stuff like that and put them up, but he would have stuff like that out. You know, it wasn't nothing for him to walk out on the back porch at 2 o'clock in the morning.

And if he thought somebody was messed around, he'd fire a couple rounds off in the air with a double-bell shotgun, just as a warning. And I think they, you know, they figured out, hey, if we mess around up here, this man right here is going to try to hurt us. And I said, he always put his animals up by the house. He run electric fences, and his idea of electric fence was not like what most people used. I called it the poor man's electric fence. He actually took a one-ten, he took a metal wire all the way around, but he had a couple down low, and he had some up that were to the top of the corral, and the top of corral was at my eye level.

So, you know, I don't know. I always thought it was to keep the other animals in or whatever, but now I believe it was to keep those damn things out. And the way he set it up was he put a light bulb and plugged it in to 110 power. It wasn't, it wasn't to, you know, like a electric converter box. He did this itself. So when you text it, you're getting 110 volts and it's a light bulb in the planet so it don't blow. The stronger the light bulb, the more water is the longer it lasts, the shock.

He wasn't messing around. And trust me. No, and trust me, it hurts because I accidentally bumped that thing one time. and that's all it took. And it knocked me on the ground. 110 will knock you down. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, I know.

I know. That's why I say he wasn't messing around. That's for sure. Well, all those deterrents is the reason why not enough to the guy next door down the road for me, he wound up going missing. These things kept carried into his barn, and they actually tore the back of the wall out of his barn one night because he had reinforced the front door. doors, they tore the back of the barn out, and he raised a dog sheep.

I don't know if you know what that is or not. Some people call them fainting sheep. But he raised sheep is what he did for a living. That's one of the things he did. Well, these things one night come in and tore the back of the barn out, and they probably killed 15 of those sheep. I'm talking about they just, it looked like they'd been run through a chipper. Well, he got mad, and he sat in that barn.

The next night, he sat in that barn. with his shotgun. And I remember hearing two shots go off in the middle of the night, and my papa all set up that whole night. I don't remember him to get that. He set up that whole night. We heard two shots go off down there. We heard a scream, and my papa grabbed his flashlight,

grabbed his 357. He had Smith & Lexon, 636 Smith & Luson. Big hippie son of a gun. He grabbed it, and his, uh, his 10-gauge shotgun and jumped in his truck, left door jumped his truck, took off that way. Well, it wasn't long after that. Here come several sheriff's cars,

but we lived in a rural area. Several sheriff's cars come flying up through there, and a couple other cars come flying up through there. Well, the next morning, my grandfather comes back, and he's talking to my grandmother, and they're talking in the front room, and they're kind of whistling,

and he said, I remember him saying they can't find him. They didn't find him. They found his gun, and his gun looked like it was smashed down in the, like, four or five inches down in the mud, and they found part of a bloody shirt, and they never did find nothing else with that man. That was it. Yeah, I can see why your grandfather hated him, why he had no love for him at all. Oh, yeah. And generally, no, my grandfather didn't. And generally, people down in the south, around in rural areas that have these creatures on or around their property, they all generally, generally,

say the same thing. I mean, no one really has much love for them down there when they're true encounters down there. Most people, I know there's a crazy lady here in Washington, well, I don't say crazy lady. There's a lady here in Washington State, and she feeds them constantly. And I've warned her about it. She just thinks I'm the biggest jerk on the planet because I tell her I think that's a bad idea. And you know, at the end of the day, I don't want to my garage I'm studying. So what do I know? But just off common sense, I wouldn't feed a grizzly bear that was coming on my property. I sure sure wouldn't feed a cougar that was coming on my property. There's no way I'd feed these things coming on my property.

I'm going to tell you, but my experience, feed them is the worst thing in the world to do because, okay, when that lady dies, somebody else moves into that property, her family, whoever it is comes in there. They're going to be expecting that food to still come. And when it doesn't come, they're going to go find out why it's not coming. And all they know is that human was bringing me the food. So they associate that human. with the food one way or the other.

I've done seen that go bad a couple times. So on this property that your grandfather owned, was there just certain areas where he told you not to go? Yes, sir. It was right around the edge. Our property budded up, like I said, with the backside of that, that timber company,

and I said it was a big, it was a big valley that went down through there. And I said it was just where they had cut around the outside edge of that valley a long time ago, and it was like cut over pine that they had been replaced out there. It was probably about 12 foot tall. And that's the other thing. Once we got to seeing that thing moved,

the whole time we thought it was shaking, you know, grabbing the tree and shaking it. It was because his head was almost as high as those trees. And I said, I know those trees in the time were almost about 12 foot tall. And this head was almost at the top of those freaking trees. So that's why I said I knew after I got to paying attention to stuff, It wasn't on man, but the first thing that popped in my head was why, it's weird. Why is Andre de Jad out here in a damn Chabaca outfit?

I got to thinking that's way too big. I don't know anybody right here that big. Then I got to look and out like, that's tall as the trees. There ain't nobody that's big around me. Yeah, I think I'd be a little nervous, especially with your cousin saying, I think I saw a tree move. Immediately when he started saying that, I knew exactly what he was looking at. You know, I mean, I could just imagine. Did your grandfather ever tell you, hey, son, look for this, this, this, and this,

and if you see these things, turn around and go the opposite direction. Like science. He told me to never turn my, well, he told me if I wound up and I did run up on one once, and I'll tell you this after that. He always told me never turn my back on. He said, don't, whatever you do, try to try, if you wind up. up in front of one. Try to be as non-elvasive as you can.

You know, try not to look them in the face so they don't like that. You know, put your hands up by your side with your palms up so they can see you don't have nothing in your hand because they know what weapons are. And back slowly away. Never turn and never run.

It's one thing he drilled with me. Never turn your back on and never run. Later on, I was probably about 16 years old when I had my second what I call face to face up close and nasty encounter with a couple I just won a couple

there was a guy that had put in a that bought some land close to us it was probably through the woods probably three or four miles and I said I grew up out there hunting running over those woods the whole nine

yards my whole life when that man put in that stuff put in that hunting camp over there he was friends with my grandfather. For several of the school kids, like I said, that hunted that area and everything, he hired us to carry the people out. Now, the way that he had to set up,

he'd went out and built shooting houses, and during us, during this off season, he would feed, plant beans and soil, you know, beans and beans and corn and stuff like that. And on other agricultural that was around there was cotton. So

the only place that had food for deer was on his place. and you'd go pay him a fee, and he had a lodge built out there where, you know, they could stay, they could bring their wives, stuff like that. He fed them. And then we would carry them out, put them in a stand in the morning until I'm, okay, basically at this time, you can look for the deer to come out and they'd shoot their deer and, you know, and we'd go get it. They didn't even drag it out or nothing else or twillent.

We did all that. They just took their pictures with it, you know, and what about their business? I call it, you know, the rich man hunt. Well, one summer, we kept having a problem with poachers, or at least that's what we thought we had, was poachers. We kept finding deer that were, you know, it looked like somebody was killing them and, you know, taking the back straps and stuff like that out of the deer and just leaving the rest of the body. Every once in a while we'd come across one that was just gutted, and that was it. And we're thinking, you know, why is somebody doing this? I never put two and two together.

I was sick the time I was 16 I will never forget it because I just got my driver's license and I was trying to save up to get a truck well he put a bounty out

whoever if we any of us caught somebody after poaching if we have them get convicted he'd pay us he pay us $500 a piece

for everyone every person we got convicted and I'm thinking to ching I'm fixing to buy me a truck because I have

the unique set of tracking skills talked about by me and by my grandfather and his brother and stuff like that. I'm, I will say I took my own horn. I'm a better than average tracker

because I did it all. I grew up doing it. And tracking humans is not like tracking animals. Most people when you're tracking animals, you look from the ground to two foot, you know, tall. That's because that's about the size of an animal that's going to be in an area.

in where we were. Well, tracking humans, you look from about two foot up to about four foot. Because people will break limbs and stuff like that. Animals don't go through the woods breaking limbs out of the way. That's human. And usually they push them. If you've got a lamb in front of you, they'll grab it and push it up and away from them. Well, like on cedar and stuff like that, if you look at the cedar lamb that's been pushed out of the way,

whichever side that the cedar bark has been rubbed off of, that's the side they were on, and they were going to the opposite direction. Grass won't be broke off right down at the bottom. It'll be broke off up about elbow high and stuff like that because of people snagging their stuff and, you know, going through and pushing stuff out of the way. That's the way I was taught to track human.

Well, I come across a deer one day out there when I was going, you know, we were cleaning up the hunting, blinds out, refreshing them for the up-and-coming new season. Making sure there wasn't a Walsh nest and stuff like in them. Well, I come across a deer that looked like he had just been good at. The only thing is I couldn't find no place this thing had been shot, bad, than nothing else.

But it looked like it's, you know how you take a chicken, they would take a chicken in the old day and grab it by the neck and they'd spin it around? This neck would be curled up like a forked through. Yeah. That's the way this deer's neck looked. And I'm thinking how the hell do they do that? But it looked like somebody

had just killed it and they were just starting to get it because the guts were the guts were poured pulled half out of the deer. And right beside it, it was kind of muddy. There was a muddy at the time looked like a boot track to me

about the same size as mine. And I wore a nine and a half inch shoe. I'm thinking I'm fishing to catch me a poacher. $500 fish and they go to me. So I take off, start tracking the poacher. Well, I probably track him a half a mile through the woods, but it kept doing weird stuff that didn't make any sense to me.

Like he would make zigzags or almost make a horseshoe and then take off right back across itself where we just came from. Well, there's a big creek that runs through the area. It went all the way to that creek finally And then when they started walking down that creek There's a slew right there And the sleeve is probably 50 foot wide And then you've got to creek on the other side

And it's an open probably about 20 yards Between the creek, edge of the creek and the slew And I got to thinking I don't like this This is a good place for somebody to ambush you Because it's about 40 or 50 yards long Before it opens back up It's a natural bottleneet

Well this thing could walk right down through the I take off down through there. Now, I've got my grandfather's testicle that Smith & Wesson 686. And when I got about 14 years old, he gave it to me. When I went in the woods, that thing was with me. He always told me, never going to woods without a weapon. That was one thing he drilled into me. I don't care of what you're doing.

If you're going fishing, you're just going for a walk. You always have a weapon with you. You never know what's going to happen. He always said it was better to be prepared, better to be prepared and have it, then not be prepared and need it and not have it. Anyway, I take off down through this little area, and I'm already there. I don't like this.

It's just something about I don't like it. I get about halfway down it, and I hear that something that sounds like you, you ever heard a wild pig chomp its teeth together or a bear? I've heard a bear to it. Not a pig, though. All right. All right.

Well, a pig will do the same thing, especially if there's piglets around, especially in a sense when they usually have it. during this time I'm out there in the late part of me in the early part of the summer and I'm thinking oh my lord I've done got in here with a male with a sile on some piglets and this thing is fishing because they got to us man that will rip you up the pig is a bad thing to be messing with especially a sire with piglet and I don't have nowhere to go either I got to go into water on the where the slew is or I got to go on the street and I just know this thing for something. get me. And now I'm, I've done froze and I'm looking around and I hadn't to look up there

from me and about 20 yards away from me. There's the biggest, hairiest son of a gun I ever seen in my life. It's at least 10 foot tall or taller, at least four to four and a half foot wide. Just standing there with his mouth drawback, his piece showed, it's exactly what almost we had seen the time before. Except for this one. didn't have the conical head. It was more like a rounded head. But it's just the same kind of basic facial features, but I'm like I said,

and I'm thinking, oh, crap. And right behind it is another one that looks just like that one, but it's about my size. I firmly believe what I did was I believe it was a juvenile, and the whole time I thought I was tracking a person, I was tracking that juvenile.

And it went back to, I believe, excuse me, this was a mama because I didn't see any male genitalia and it looked like it had breasts. But there was a little bit of brush, you know, right where its chest was right in front of me, so I couldn't really determine

if it was a female or not, but I never seen any male genitalia. This other one standing behind it whereas I'm standing there thinking, oh shit, what do I do? All of a sudden I hear that same chomping noise where it sounds like a bear or a sow right behind it.

me. And I kind of turn my head and there's one on my left side and there's one on my right side and they're not but about seven to eight foot tall. But they ain't looking too damn friendly either. And the only thing I knew was I'm sitting and thinking, what do I do? What do I do? And I was

like, don't stare at an eye. And I just remember what my grandpa told me. So I'm standing there. I put my hands out by my side away from it, not down by my waist because I've got a pistol on me. And I don't I don't believe if I've stuck that pistol right in one of them's eye and pulled the trigger, it would have done up a pistol mark.

That's how big these things were. A 357 with a six-inch barrel wouldn't have done nothing like shooting a barrel with a BB gun. It's what I firmly believe. I stuck my hands out by my side, my palms up, and actually I just started talking because it made me feel better. I don't know if he's saying me what the hell I was saying or not, but it made me feel better. I just started saying, look, I'm sorry. I didn't mean the mess with y'all. I thought I was tracking a human that was doing something bad.

I'll leave. I'm sorry. You know, I didn't mean y'all no harm. And all of a sudden I heard that clap, clap, clap again. And kind of a, and I'm not looking up now. I got my head pointed out. I'm kind of cutting my eyes up. And the one that's in front of me, I can barely see the little one

It was behind it kind of walking straight away from us, but it's trying to stay behind that one. And then I heard it sounded like a little bit of a water splash or something. And I kind of turned, and the one that was on my right, one that's on my left, I don't see them no more. I don't know where they went. I could, I don't even remember, I said, I don't see how I walked by them as big as they were. I don't know where they went.

And the one in front of me, he's just, it's just, it's just, it's just showing his teeth and blowing real hard. I just started backing up slowly. slowly and I got past the point I'm thinking any minute one of them ones that was on the side of me is going to reach out and grab me and as I passed where the trees were they were standing right by I don't see them I don't know where they went but I'm still in backing up when I got right to the edge of where that bottleneck was the one that was in front of me now we're about 40 yards away it just kind of makes this noise it was like it was annoyed it turns and walk straight off that bank where that creek is went off in the water, waded across that thing, got up. And when it got across it, it turned and just went, ah! At that time, I turned and was running. Yeah, I don't blame you. I forget this.

I'm thinking I'm far enough away now. I probably ran two miles. Full is as fast as I could before I stopped. And the whole time I'm looking behind me, I'm looking to the side of me. I'm thinking when these things he's going to grab me. I never heard them chase me. I ain't saying they didn't, but I was so adamant about getting out of there. And I said, I was running so hard.

And when I got back to where I thought I was safe as when I stopped, and I almost passed out because I was done ran so far so fast for so long without stopping. Now, that was the most, when I was younger, that was the most, that was more scared than when my cousin shot at it because, like I said, I just knew I was going to, they were fished to get me. because I believe I made them mad by tracking that little one. Yeah, it's interesting. I know Bob Garrett told me a similar story when he was tracking one,

when he was out gold mining, and it's very similar to what you just said, because he caught up with it. And when he caught up with it, it was pissed. He had been following it. And it's very similar to your encounter. And it's, you know, these things are very dangerous, and I think they, if they can't get a chance,

say will hurt you. But I think in a lot of situations, if you're cool, they'll be cool. And that's just my own theory. A lot of people have the misperception of me as me thinking these things are all just godless killing machines. And I don't really think that's true. Will they hurt you? Yeah. Do I think they eat people? Absolutely. But I think that there's a fine line there sometimes when you run into these things. What's your take on that? I'm going to be in the same boat you are. I think it depends all in the situation and how you react to that situation when it comes down to it. Because that could, if I believe you firmly, if I had reached and grabbed that pistol, I'd have been beat to a pulp and ate and pulled

apart and everything else. I believe that would have been the worst thing I could have done. I talked to my grandfather was still alive during that time. He didn't, he died short of then within that same year he died. But I come back and I told him about it because I didn't want to go back to work out there, but he made me. He told me I needed to step up, be a man and face my fears. Don't let this determine how you're going to live the rest of your life and don't let it determine what kind of man you're going to be.

You need to do that on your own, but you need to face this. So I said, I mean, I was scared. I'm talking about this is the second time that I'm running to this thing. and both times they didn't they didn't act too dang friendly but I believe if I'd have done anything other than what I've done I would not be sitting here right now I believe that's the reason why as I said thanks you hear about people running into them and they just look at each other and the big foot kind of walks back behind a tree or

usually they're going to keep something in between you and them the one I think when usually it goes bad is when there's nothing between you and him and it it feels like it has no way other choice but to defend itself or take you out most of the time. Now, you run upon some that are just bad disposition to start with. And I don't care what you do. It's not going to end very well. Especially like I did some stuff down in the big thicket area in Texas.

Then things are meaner in the damn hornet's nest. And my take on the reason why they're mean like that and they act like at no matter who they come in contact with, that I believe because they've been messed with so many times and shot at so many times and just basically molested so much, as soon as they're running the humans, I call it the Hulk syndrome. They've got to smash it.

Yeah. Well, you know, you brought up a good point. And when I was down in East Texas in the Big Thicket area, Bob had mentioned it to me a couple times. I wanted to go into certain areas, and he was like, no, we don't go into those areas. and I said, because these things are so aggressive or, you know, why can't we go into these areas? And he said the cartel actually uses these different areas and part of the Lone Star Trail down there.

They actually utilize it. And I think you're right. I think maybe the cartels are popping off shots at these things. Oh, yes, sir. That's my fair belief from talking to people down. And that's the other thing. It's so hard to talk to people about this because even some of them that you know, for a fact they've had an encounter, but they just

won't admit it because I think they don't want to be the one that's labeled as crazy for saying, okay, yes, I've seen this, this happen. It's just hard to get people to talk about it. And then when you go up in the hills or like the Appalachia, around the Appalachia trails, down in

Louisiana, down in in Alabama, Mississippi, even parts of Tennessee. These people are not that friendly about the, you're going to be having a in the conversation and just say, hey, well, have you ever had any

encounters with Bigfoot or whatever? And the whole thing changes like you just slapped their mama off. Let me ask you, what do you think that these things are? My opinion, I think there's some kind of ape. I think they belong in the eight side. A lot of people

I've had just a debate with a couple different people. Some people say, well, they're too much like him, and I say, yeah. but I've had the unique pleasure I've been other places than just in the United States and I've seen chimpanzees and I've had the opportunity

to actually see a civil back gorilla in its natural habitat then things don't like people either I don't know I said then things will charge you they'll rip trees out of the ground and beat up against your chest to slap on the ground, they act just like a big foot. I think there's some kind of ape. What is your thought on it?

I tend to agree. The weird part, there's some, you know, obviously with these types of creatures, you'll find different types of descriptions. And sometimes people don't like to hear it looked very human-like. It didn't look like a monkey. And I've noticed, and I've said this many times on the show, but on the East Coast, I get a lot of strange reports like that. They'll describe the black eyes just like you described.

They'll describe the nose, just like you describe. They'll describe everything that you just described. But what they'll say is the face reminded them of a Native American with the high cheekbones. And it looked very human-like. But you get down south. That's the one part. I'm sorry. I mean, that's the one thing I just remembered.

I told you beforehand, but I forgot this time. the cheekbones on that thing. That's the way the cheekbones remind me of like a Native American cheekbone. It was just, it's odd. It's not exactly like it, but that's the closest thing I can think of. You could tell it had defining cheekbones. Yeah. That's the one other description I left out that I just am.

I remember I told you beforehand, but like I said, it's just odd. And I'm like you. Now, some of them, the ones down in Florida, don't look like the ones, the first ones I've seen. They got longer hair, and I don't know if that's because of the pest or whatever, but it looks like hair with Spanish moss in it. Yeah, and that's what a lot of times people will say it had like a rocker haircut or I've had different witnesses on that described the longer hair. You're right. And actually in Florida, I do get the longer hair. People describe that.

But it really depends on the region. And not that that's going to definitely nail down someone's description. because everyone's perspective is a little bit different. Some of the details are a little bit different. But that's people describe them anywhere from apes to human to chimpanzees. Most people will say somewhere between a chimpanzee and a person or an ape and a person. That's kind of what I saw. And that's kind of how they describe it.

And maybe it's because of the human nose and just kind of the structure of the head. One thing that you mentioned in both of your encounters I find interesting is when I was down in Texas, and I apologize to you for going back, you know, recounting this, but there was two... No, sir, I'm having a good time, thank you. Yeah, no, there was two separate areas, and one of the areas

I was asking Bob about the descriptions of what people saw, and he would describe them having the conical-shaped head, and they were just different. They just looked different. Well, there's another area where they have more of the

rounder head, what you're describing. And there's that, coincidentally, that's where the Hell's Angels bar is out there, where the guys say the apes keep throwing them off their motorcycles, but that they have the rounder heads. And what's interesting about the rounder heads is Bob was telling me in that area, they don't vocalize quite as much as this other type that has more of the conical-shaped head. They'll scream, they'll yell, they'll whoop, they'll do all kinds of vocalizations. But over in this one area, they don't vocalize. localize as much. And I don't know if there's a correlation there or if it was someone's perspective, but I thought that was interesting. The other thing to me, the ones with a rounder shape is, to me remind me like, you know how a

person who loves it that has Down syndrome? I said, I don't mean to offend anybody or nothing else. That's just the only way I know how to describe it. No, he's right. They look more like they had like a Down syndrome effect or whatever, however you want to describe. but then the ones with the comical-shaped heads. It's what I've run into, like I said, the round-head ones to me, I don't know if it's a burp effect or what,

but they kind of look resembled. If you could have a gorilla with Down syndrome, that's what it would remind me of. The facial features and just the way they act, they don't act quite like the ones with the different heads of them. Like you said, They don't do some of the same calls and stuff like it. It's more like they have a harder time.

I don't know. I won't call it communicating. Like I said, they seem to get more frustrated or however you want to say it. They do more of the growling, and they're a little more aggressive than the conical shape ones. To me, they are, are the ones I've had an experience with. It's interesting you say that because Bob told me that what you just said, Bob told me word for word, probably like two years ago he said that to me. You know, I didn't really know where to put that,

but that's exactly what he said. They're more aggressive. They can be very much more territorial. And coincidentally, I love the Hells Angel biker bar out there that they have where these guys keep getting thrown off their bikes and keep getting knocked off their bikes and having rocks thrown at them and, you know, all kinds of stuff. And those guys down there, you know, it looks like a bunch of skinheads when you go in there. all the guys will say, yeah, there's just some apes out here that they don't know what they are,

but they have constant problems with them. And I think it's because when they go down the road on those Harleys and that loud, reverberating, you know, what a Harley sounds like, when one goes by your house, it kind of, you know, can irritate a lot of people. And I would imagine it does the same thing with these things. Imagine it kind of pisses them off when you come by and you're on a Harley with that noise, you know, that sound. Yeah, and usually the hell of angels, they straight pipe everything. And it's funny. See, I've heard a couple of stories by some Hells Angels and stuff that I know personally.

And they told me, you know, I was talking to somebody else about, you know, this mutual subject. And they're like, yeah, there's a bar. They got a Hells Angels bar in Arizona. I cannot remember what they call it. But it's like one of their main hangouts. And they were saying that they had a problem out there with these, they called them eight men that would, you know, come down to the bar and folks stuck at the bar and not lights out and mingle their bikes and stuff. And I thought they were just messing with me. You're the only other person I've heard to tell the story about the hell's angels except for them.

And I said, I just thought they were, you know, they were just messing with me because they heard me talking about Bigfoot niggers, you know, joshing women. but that's I've heard two hills angels say that but I thought they told me their ball was in Arizona that was happening that but it might have been Texas but I said they called them they ate men yeah and if you've ever met those guys I mean I don't want to start I definitely don't want to start a beef with the hell's angels but if you ever meet those guys or gypsy jokers or any of those guys those are not the men to mess with I mean those are the men you do not want to mess with on this planet. And there's not much on this planet that scares those guys. And I mean, I know in Texas, they were scared of this thing. And I don't blame them. I would be too.

You're right. These are not nice. That's why I just thought they were messing with me. It's because, you know, these are not the kind of people that say something scares them or bothers them or nothing else because they have that mantra, you know, they're one percenters. They're above the law. They don't, they're not scared of nothing. If you mess with one of them, if you hurt one of them, they come back with 10 of their buddies, and they really hurt you. Yeah, and it's kind of interesting to you, and not to get too far off on biker gangs,

but I'm sure they would have no trouble, you know, cutting your throat out. But to talk to them, they're actually pretty nice guys. You sit down, they're actually really cool guys, if you ever get a chance to sit and talk with them. They're actually really cool guys to sit and talk with. You know, I never cross one. But one thing I thought was interesting is I had Tracy on the show,

and everyone or everyone out of all the shows I've done, I get asked more questions about Tracy's encounter. And you know it as well. When he was in the van that one night, I want to say it was back in the 70s, somewhere in the episode of the 70s, might have been before then, but where Tracy stopped to get out of the van to take a pee,

and he was almost peeing on one of these things. And he looked up and there's one growling at him, and I think he said there was a couple more behind him, that one and it really it really upset him a lot his whole encounter really upset him it's back when you know I had call-ins and he was one of the people that called into the show and my heart just broke I felt so bad for the guy you know you could just hear the pain in his voice as he was recounting this but what's interesting is that's not far from geographically speaking your property or the property you own today and the other thing that's interesting is

is that I know you have things going on on that property. One thing the audience has never heard, though, before, I've had several people in that general area. I can't remember what the name of the highway is. I haven't in my notes. But I've had several people contact me right before Tracy called and then right after Tracy called that had encounters with these things.

And they'd always reference it. I know exactly where he broke down at. I had an encounter about a mile from there where two of these things stepped out in the road. And I know you have that property out there today. And I know it's enough acreage to where you may not worry too much about it. But have they been aggressive or anything on the property you're on? They haven't. That's my property.

I've been doing my, I started doing my research from my video and I call it Property X. And I'm glad you didn't tell us about the road because I haven't released. least where that is, because you know, as soon as you do, the people come out of the woodwork trying to flood in, and I said, now, I own the property, so it's private property. Yeah, and if you describe it, be as generic as possible, if you would, just say, you don't have everyone in their kid brother going out there. They haven't been aggressive to me yet. Well, I'm going to take that back.

I had, I asked that, you know, the picture I showed, did you, did you say the picture I sent you? I don't think I did. Was that V-A-U-N? I texted it to you. Oh, okay. You'll see where I'll get tied to orange ribbon around. What I was doing as I was marking a line into where I wanted, you know, so I could go back and forth and finally, you know, all I had to do is see that orange ribbon

and know I need to go this way. Well, I tied an orange ribbon around the sapling is a gum safflin. And it's probably, I'm going to say two, two and a half. maybe three inches around. I don't know if very many people know how tough a gum safflin is, but you can actually pull it around on top of itself and tie, almost tied it and weave it into a round circle and it won't break. Well, right above where I tied that orange circle,

something had come along and broke it over right above that deliberately. I kind of got a little teed off. Well, there are some trees that have been up. route it turned upside down and placed back in the ground and they're deep i'm talking about you can walk over to them push them shake them they don't move well the basically i want one of the things i tell people now if they got one running around their property or coming up to their house you have to claim your space let them know look this is mine that's your stay over there and i'll stay over here and we'll we'll co-mingle well i went back to one of what i consider their markers and

And I had an AR-10, which is a 308, and I cut down with about 30 rounds of it into one of them things to where I could take and push his tree over, break it over like you broke mine over. And you believe it or not, since I've done that, I have not had one of my markers messed with since then. Now, that's to me right now, that's the strongest, you know, something they've done to me. Now, the man that I bought the property from, he's had several dogs killed, a couple of them were radio collars. They go into this area and say, there's one area I don't cross into. That's where on the other side of where I'm talking about those uprooted trees are. I don't cross into that. I consider that the boundary.

That means that they have claimed that area as their area. And I figure if I cross into that, it's not going to, it's either going to do two things. they're going to leave because they can perceive me as being a threat or they're going to make me leave. If I don't leave fast enough, I'll be part of the place permanently. I just have that firm thought and belief. You know, that's their side over there. So I kind of like to respect that, stay away from it. But he kept sending dogs into that area because he said every time I shot a deer,

this is the man I bought the property from, he said, every time I shot a deer, and it went over to that area, I never could find the deer. He said, you could see where the deer lay down, bled out, and it should have been laying right there, and the deer ain't there. And there ain't no blood leading off from there. You can see to follow the blood trail in

until where the main spot is and no deer. If the deer would have got up, you'd have been able to follow a blood trail to where it went. But he said every time he would lose a deer over there. Well, he got to send rabbit dogs and stuff like that. wrong over and he said every time that a dog went over there, he wouldn't get it back.

He even sent some tracking dogs in over there with what collars, there was radio collars on. He said it was the weirdest thing. He watched it on his iPad where the dogs go in there, he knows about where he's done marked the area. I even show that in the video where he's got

the markers, the red, the orange ribbons like I used. He's got them tied where you can see them just to ever so many feet. going through the woods, and he's got that area marked off. Them dogs, where the radio callers, would go over in that area. He said it was the funniest thing.

They'd be running at one speed, and all of a sudden they'd cross over in. They'd be in there for a while. And all of a sudden, they would stop for just a minute, and then the collar would take off like the dog had done, got a hyperbooster or something,

and then the collar would just quit working. But he never would find collar nor dog. Well, somebody had told him that there were a coyotes over there being a coyote over there and that's what was getting his dog so him and another guy

the guy was originally from up north I think he was from Virginia or somewhere and he had bought this to have land to come down here because this is where he was the originally come and he liked to hunt so he bought this place down here and I said the guy

I thought him that's what it was he knew what it was And he had a pack of wolfhounds that would go in. And he could take him bringing dogs down there and turn them loose. And if there was chagots on there, they'd sniff them out, find them, and they'd kill them. Well, they turned them dogs loose. He said, they brought them down here. There was four of them. They turned them dogs loose in there.

And dogs went through there. And he said it sounded like they kind of howl like hound. He said, they went to howl and everything. That guy said, yep, they found the den. He said, that went on for just a little while. heard a couple of yips, a huge roar, and then they didn't hear the dogs no more, and they didn't find the dogs. Now, there's no place out there to stay.

This is in the middle of nowhere. They had to drive several miles back over. He stayed in a little town that was, I think it was 25 miles to that town. That's the closest place that had a place where they could stay at. They stayed there overnight, come back the next morning, and when they went to drive in, it's one road that goes right down the center of property. When he opened the gate up, he said, I didn't go probably 50 yards. All four of those dogs were piled up in the middle of that road, did.

Wow. A couple of them were missing, a couple of them looked like they had their backs broke, but all four of them was left of them was piled up in the middle of that road. Yeah, I don't even know what to say to that. That would piss me off, especially if it was killing my dogs. Well, I think he got the point that, you know, that he was not welcome. there anymore and then that's when he stopped going and he finally wound up contacting me. I went out there and at first when I go to an area, I try to do everything I can to prove

there's not a big foot there or whatever they think is there. That's what I go with in the ass. But the more stuff I kept finding kept leading me back to it being a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot, whatever you want to call it. That's the other thing. There's so many names for these things when you go to looking for them and asking people well, they may not be calling us. That's what they may be calling the bugger or a wild man.

It's hard to look stuff up on the Internet for sightings in the area because you don't know what to look for or what they called it. Yeah, you're right. Different places I have the beast of this or the bugger that lives here or this moxter or that moxter. Unless you know what somebody's called in that area, you don't know what to look for in the local archives. know what you're looking for.

But right after that happened, I said, not too long after that, he sold me the land. And when I say this man does not want to have nothing else to do with it, I bought this land at a steel. I told you what I paid for it, but I'm not going to tell nobody else. If I ever just thought, I want to do it. Yeah, no, it was cheap. I was shocked how cheap it was. And it makes sense. I mean, if he just wants out of it, he doesn't want to be there anymore.

I could see him selling it for, you know, for the price that you got it for. He told me, after I signed the paperwork, handing him the money for it, he told me, said, I hope you had better look than I did. He said, because that damn place is cursed. That's exactly what he told me. You know, a lot of people talk about seeing these dogmen. And when people would first talk about it, when the show very first started out, I kind of shied away from the dog man creature. I don't know why. I just had a really hard time with it. But the more witnesses, the more open. I've become and the more witnesses I've spoken with, you start to really realize really quick, they're just as consistent on what people see when they see these dog man creatures as people who see the Sasquatch, very consistent on what they saw, very consistent on its behavior.

Have you ever ran into anything like that down there on your property or any time around your grandfather's property? Not around my grandfathers. I had never heard, actually, of the dog man until about a guy. a year and a half ago, I think it was, like I tell everybody. They wasn't on my radar. I hadn't heard anything about it or, you know, hadn't seen one. And I said, I spent a lot of time in the woods, the desert, the jungle, you name it.

I've been in it for boot on the ground a couple of times. And I said, just never had run into it. I did, earlier on when I was, like, going out to do investigation and stuff like that, I had run across people that would describe a big foot, but they would put it like a snout or something on it. And I just thought they were seeing either a misformed or, you know, misshaping big foot or they were just wrong on what they saw. You know, because a human is actually a bad witness. You can have three people to see the same, look at the same thing when something traumatic happened, and they can't describe the same thing they were just all three looking at.

and I just thought, you know, I just marked it up to a bad witness. You know, they didn't, they were confused on what they saw. And then I had my first run in, like I said, about a year and a half ago, one of these things. And I realized, man, I still didn't know enough because there's actually more than one type of these things. One, the first one I run into, West, looked like, it looked like you took a German Shepherd and a Rottweiler and mixed them together. and this thing was as big as a freaking cow

a full-sized cow big giant ears on top of his head with these little tuss of hair coming out like a coot or like a lynx or something this the craziest looking thing you ever seen and there's one that I come across that looks like a big foot

except where it's got like raccoon hands and it's got this guy German Shepherd looking head on it with the same crazy as ears they say there's a no third count. I have, thank God, I have not went into that thing. But these things, a lot of people

think that, oh, they run around with Bigfoot and all that kind of stuff. I haven't come to that conclusion yet. From what I've been told and learning about them, they don't get along with Bigfoot. From what everything I found out, some people say, oh, yes, they get along, they cohabitate.

Like I said, everything I found out, they don't. These things are ominous, mean. Some people say, well, I run into one and it didn't bother me. Well, it might not have bothered you at that time because you didn't show it any to me, if you show any kind of dominance toward these things, it never works out through that. These things

will come back and follow you back to your house and they will track you over many, many, many miles and show up at your house and just terrorize the crap out of you. And I did find some canine prints. I said, you can check it out on my video on the Boston Nightmares

Project X video. At the very end of it, I had to cross this creek, and it's the creep runs like kind of on the outside edge of my property, the far outside edge. I had to cross the creek because I was following, I thought it was a big foot that had killed a deer. And we crossed the creek. We get over on the side of the creek, and it's kind of like a clearing. There's all kind of sage and storms and stuff like that.

While I'm walking down this little trail that's way too wide to be a deer trail. You know, the deer trail is usually anywhere from 6 to 9 inches wide. This thing is probably 4 foot wide. And there is no cattle out there nowhere. And I found two canine-looking tracks as I'm going to describe it, but there's seven inches across. That's a big K-9 foot. Right down below that, there's a small, juvenile-looking Sasquatch print that's about a foot long,

but right beside it is this round. own circle. It's pushed down into the ground, probably four or five inches, maybe a little deeper, and it's a foot wide because I have a tactical knife for me, and I lay the tactical knife down, and it just does cover, you know, cover that night, edge to edge. The only thing I can think of is it was a juvenile there, something come up on it, it was trying to hide, and it went down like on its knees or on all fours and took off. While I start following the direction it goes, I go just a little

piece down there, I find more blood and then something growls at me. When something growls at me in the woods, I tend to back off because that's the first time I'm telling you that you're too close. You're doing something I don't like, get away from me. So I take that as dog, big foot,

cat, bear, whatever. I back off automatically because I've done, I can't see nothing. In the video, you can see it's just a wall of briars, thorns, and bushes. But I can't see what's growling at me. So it's growling, so I know it's not being nice. I back off. But, yeah, I've run across from canine tracks out there that I can't place that belongs to anything that I know of.

It don't even look like the, I mean, the dogland tracks that I've come across. And I'm hoping it's not the third kind of dog man. that people keep talking about. Let me ask you about the track. Did the heel go back to like a V? That's the thing. I couldn't find the back part of the track. Part of it was about seven inches across.

What I did see was probably six or seven inches, you know, backwards. But the one that looks like a big old cow looking, the giant dog roof on the side of the cow, Now, its footprint comes back. It makes a dog paw print in the front. And the way I described is think of a woman with a high heel shoe. You know, it's got a pad in the front, and then it comes back to a point. It leaves that pad in the front, and then it's a gap, and then it's a point.

That's kind of the way those tracks look on those things. That's the easiest way. Like, see, it comes back to a beat. But like I said, the center part, to me it don't look like, I can't find where it touches the ground. But on these tracks, I said, all I can see is the front. And I just barely called them. But I didn't find but two tracks. I found a left and a right.

And it was just two. So that thing had to be standing up on two feet. But I can't tell where it went or where it walked because it just happened to step in a place where it made two impressions as I could see. And then I can't see where it went. And that's another thing that made me uneasy is because I can't tell which directions thing went. And I've talked about this before in the past. We found some of the craziest tracks out in Texas. There was a track that we found, and the only way I'd describe it to you is it looked like it had five human toes, and it was really, really wide.

The front of the foot was really almost twice as wide as my foot, and I got a big fat, flat foot, big wide foot, and this thing was at least twice my foot. But it had five toes. The weirdest part about this whole thing is the heel. The whole foot structure almost looked like a V. Like if you took your two hands and made a V, that's exactly how this track was. And it reminded me of a canine track, but what threw me off was it had five toes like a person. I call them giant duck tracks. That's what the one, if you take a duck foot and plant it down,

but instead of having the front part, put a toe, put a human foot on it, but make it real, real wide, like twice. wide and it comes back in a triangle or a B like you're talking about. Yeah. That's the tracks that I found off the one that looks like a big foot. It's got legs and everything else, and I couldn't see the feet on it. But the legs and everything, like I said, when I first saw it, I told you, I thought it was a big foot until it stood up and turned around.

And the hands on it, you know, a big foot's hands, everyone on my saw and everybody that I've had described to me, it had hands like we do. It's way, way bigger. Even I had one guy tell me he said, look, this thing to put Shaquille O'Neill's hand in its palm. That's how big, some of these big foot hands can get, but they look like our hand. You know, a raccoon kind of got hands like ours, but the thumb is pushed for the back. It's not really an opposable thumb. It's slid back just a little bit.

I don't know if you've ever looked at a raccoon's hands, but like I said, that's where I get the raccoon hand from. It doesn't look like our hand, but it doesn't look. look like a paw either. It looks like a, it looks like a, giant raccoon hand. Take your hand, hold it in front of your, your face, and times it by two, and then put eagle claws

for fingernails coming off of it, what it looks like. That's the, the one that looks like a, I call it the big foot dog man. Now, as I said, the track you're describing, it's exactly the kind of track it leaves. It kind of looks like you took a giant duck

foot, but instead of it being the wet toes in the front, put regular human toes but three times bigger than they're supposed to be wide. Is that what you saw? Yeah, that's exactly what I saw. And when you said duck track, that's immediately, I was like, that's it. That's exactly, he's right.

You put toes on it and just make it at a large scale, and that's exactly what I saw. And it threw me off because I've never seen anything like that before. Well, I had neither to, I run across that big means of all of a gun. that's what made me quit fooling a dog man if I think there's a dog man on the property now I immediately leave

I'll back out of the area the same way I come in because I know that way it was safe when I come in there at least that gives me a better chance than going another way of not knowing but those things are not nothing to mess with those things are bad ominous and everybody that I've talked to

in all my experience if you shoot at it if you show any kind of aggression that thing will come after you with intention to end you. You always hear that too with the dog ban. They tend to be more aggressive. Even if you don't shoot at the stupid thing, most of witnesses I've had on,

the dogman type creature seems to be way more aggressive towards humans than Sasquatch. With Sasquatch, it seems to be 50-50. Sometimes they'll get up and walk away. Sometimes they'll come in and check you out. Generally speaking, you're not going to have major, major problems. with Sasquatch unless you come across one that's in a foul mood that day and you cross paths and you make a bad mistake.

So, I mean, you can kind of gauge in those situations to get out of those situations. But with the dog man, it seems like all bets are off. It's not 50-50. If you come, you know, like the encounter you were talking about where you attract the juvenile, if you attract in a dog man like that, and there was five of them in there, They probably would have killed you. It probably wouldn't have really mattered what you would have done. And again, I'm speculating, but from everything I've heard...

I'm with you. I believe they would have ripped me from one end to the other, and you wouldn't have found a toenail on me left to identify. Because them things are just dark waters that you've had on before, that you're friends with and everything. I don't know. Have you had dark waters on your program yet? Yeah.

Yeah, no, I've had dark waters on, I think, a couple times. Okay. Well, like, you like, Darkwater's named on the right thing. He calls them the crypto terrorist. That's right. And that's, I'm, I, I second that motion is, like I said, they, they, them things like that when they see you and you show them anything other than you being scared right then, usually for what I've heard and what I've seen and experienced, those things will make it a point to, oh, you're not scared of me.

Oh, you will be. It's exactly the way I get off of it. I've said this in the past, and a lot of witnesses I have on, they'll describe it as evil. It was just evil. There was something wrong with, you know, and I don't really know what the dog man is. I think it's somewhat of a DNA construct.

I mean, there's a lot of different theories. But an upright walking canine just doesn't seem natural to me. It's not. It's not. I've raised dogs. It's about every breed of dog. think of, and I've seen them do some crazy things like climb fences, climb ladders.

We even had a pit bull one time that we had took off some guys that come to find out they would fight in her, but she could take it run up the side of a tree for about six or seven feet, jump out and grab a limb and just hang on to it. You know, that's amazing, but these things walk around on their back feet, and it looks odd as I don't know what. if you ever see one you're going to be like I know I'm not seeing what I'm seeing.

Seeing a Bigfoot's bad enough but see them any things really blows your mind. I think Bigfoot it most of the times unless you run across one that's just in a bad disposition, most of the time they're curious. You know, I get that a lot when they come up to people's windows, usually

there's either a radio playing or some kind of animal had been playing in that window or the window was wide open and they could see everything that was going on and there are TV's playing at night. It draws their attention, but most of them don't thrive. They have nothing but the wilderness to go out and look at. We're their entertainment.

Dogman is a different thing. If that thing's coming up to your house, I guarantee you it's not coming up to watch the Jetsons or nothing else. That thing has come up there to either you have done something to make it mad or it's hungry. And it ain't looking for the cat bowl. I couldn't agree more. Well, I appreciate you coming on. And again, for anonymity reasons, we'll call you the Vaultkeeper.

But I sure appreciate it coming on. I want to tell the audience, if you get a chance, go to YouTube and look up the Vault of Nightmares and subscribe to the Vaultkeeper. He does some live shows, and he was kind enough to invite me on his show. But again, for the audience, if you get a chance, go to YouTube, look up the Vault of Nightmares and subscribe and check out the channel. It's a great channel. Thank you again for coming on. I thank you again. I thank you again, Wes.

And I said, I do want to come back. And I said, we're going to have fun. I think everybody, if they'll look in, check it out, they'll like it. I say, if we do a little of everything, you'll find everything from stories that I've been told over, you know, my short life. And the story of Booker Valley is on there in three parts. Like I said, I started putting, I started research where I'm going out doing, my own filming and everything, trying to gather evidence. We do roundtable, live discussions where people can come in and to the chat room and type of question.

And I have a lady that works for me. Her name is Lakea. Most nicest woman you ever want to meet the mayor of man. Like most women. Yes, sir. She has a few unique qualities about her, though, that most people, most women don't have. She's an actual witch. Oh, wow.

She takes most of my paranormal stuff. We talk about everything from paranormal. The only thing we don't talk about is politics, because that's a good way to make people mad. Yeah. But I appreciate you. And, like I said, everybody comes over. I'm pretty sure somebody will find something they like.

And, man, I just appreciate it. And I will be back if you'll have me back. Oh, definitely have you back. And for the audience, again, if you go to YouTube, type in The Vault of Nightmares, you can check out the channel. Thank you again for coming on. Yes, sir. And y'all have a good night.

You too. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone, have a great night. Across the country faster than the coronavirus

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