Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:29 Savage Bigfoot Attack

Episode Date: April 29, 2014

Wynn who is Native American and lives in western Montana describes many encounters they had with what they call the "Hairy Man" on the reservation including a savage attack on a tribal member. Wynn writes "I live on a reservation and the population of Native American to White/other is about 50/50. My father is a tribal member and my mother is not. I am therefore a white descendant and have grown up experiencing both sides of the 'culture' so to speak. I have spent time in the rough neighborhoods and at white owned ranches and farms. Both whites and indians have stories that they rarely tell.." We will also have a few other guests to share their own Sasquatch encounters.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. Number one, what are you reporting? What's going on now, sir?

That's a son of a bitch is about 60 foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. This episode is brought to you by audible.com. Go to audible trial.com forward slash bigfoot hotspot for your first free downloadable book and a 30-day trial. If you want to support the show, try out audible.com forward slash bigfoot hotspot.

to get your free downloadable book, 30-day trial. It really helps us out. Show your support for the show. That's telling you about the YouTube guy that likes to complain every week. Either we ask too many questions or we don't ask enough questions.

Yeah, he likes to critique and complain every week. And I'm thinking this guy just hates our guts, right? And I was telling you earlier he sent me an email message He's like hey, who's on the week this week? Who's on the show this week, fellas? I was like, really? Well, you know, there's all types out there, so as long as he enjoys the show.

Yeah, I guess. You know, I guess people don't understand that, you know, when you're sitting there listening to somebody's account and most of the time, sometimes you really get engrossed into the encounter and I've caught myself afterwards thinking, dang, you know, I should have asked this or that, you know, So that's the way it goes sometimes.

You know, more questions, sometimes less, it just depends on... I was telling you earlier today, I mean, I have 38 Facebook messages. And by the way, if you send me a Facebook message, I'm working on it, people. I'm working on it. I got, like, several people that are like, hey, I just sent you a Facebook message. And, like, I'll read the message. And then, like, five messages later, it's like, hey, you never responded back. What's the deal?

And then, like, they get... Yeah, I'm the same way with my emails. You know, sometimes it depends what's going on. on, you know, if I'm able to get around to them or, you know, or after a day of work sometimes, it's just, you know, I'm exhausted. And I just don't get, you know, folks, I always try to get back to people when they email me something. Yeah, have a little patience, people. We're trying. Should we mention the, it just, it's just, M.K. Davis, people like that.

Should we mention that or leave it out? I didn't get a chance to look on the, uh, I usually go to Facebook. fed evidence for any news or anything like that. And I saw what you're talking about with N.K. Davis, man, he will not let the Patterson film go. You know, I didn't watch the whole thing because it irritated me. I watched a few minutes of it. And in this whole new thing now, of course, you know, since we basically said that this was crap, and now it's like, well, we don't know who made the Patterson film or when. Give it a rest.

you know, we do know who made the Patterson film. It was Roger Patterson, and it was in October 20th, 1967. So we know when it was. Get a life, go find something else to pursue that, you know, beating a dead horse isn't going to get any further in this subject or further the subject at all. One thing I will say about MK Davis is he's pretty good with editing audio and video. Oh, I'm sure he's very good at his trade, yeah. But it's like

Let the Patterson film go, man I mean, even if you did bring out something that no one else has seen or heard No one really cares anymore at this point You know what I mean? Yeah, it's time to move on And move to the next, you know, that are that many years ago now

I just had to mention it because it kind of irritated me That, you know, it's one angle, then another angle And some other bizarre angle And it's just... Yeah, he needs to put his efforts into something else. And there's a lot of people in this, you know, subject that like to imprint

their own thinking to embellish on the facts, you know, when it's really not necessary. Just, you know, take it for what it is. Black, and... I'll tell you what, M.K. Davis, if you're listening, which I'm sure he is, because we have a lot of closet researchers that claim they don't listen,

but they do. Are you telling M.D., are you telling M.K. to come out? Yeah. I'll tell you what. That's not what I meant now, so, you know. Focus your attention on Todd Standing.

Work on that for a more. Something more. That's right. If you want to expose the hoax, there's an easy one. Yeah. You don't suppose him and Dyer are related to you. You know what's weird about Todd Standing, which I think throws a lot of people off, is Todd standing, and I've tried to listen to the Bigfoot North.

Because I'll all try to listen, Bigfoot North for people who are listening, is Jeff Mildrum and Todd Standing's radio show. I've tried to listen to it, and I've tried to be objective about listening to it, and try to be fair about listening to it. But every time they have a guest, it's like Todd Standing tries to lend credibility to himself and not

come forth as a hoaxer and he uses his guest he uses his Meldrum you think Meldrum would catch on after a while but obviously he doesn't you know it's like I don't know I didn't want to go into it I guess I don't know it's been a long week yeah some things just aren't worth

the mental the mental headache but you know I here's my take you know if your work is credible, it'll stand on its own merits. If it isn't, then you spend all your time trying. Exactly. Exactly. I think because

Tup Standing comes across more crazy and not so arrogant, like Dyer, Dyer reminds me of like, he could be Tom Biscardi's like stepson or like Tom Biscortes of son. You know what I mean? I just got kind of a creepy mental there. He's got the

Side Show Act down Like Piscardi You know, Biscardi's kind of a ringmaster Like Dyer wants to be And top ten doesn't quite come across that way I don't know, man It's been a long week and I'm pretty tired So I can go off for a long time

But I guess I'll leave it alone Because I would really love to hear a psychologist Take on some of those people You know So if anyone out there as a psychologist, email me. I'd really want to know about these guys. Yeah. I guess we'll limit our hate mail, and I'll just leave it alone.

Yeah, maybe we should go ahead and move on to our guest. I'm sure he's waiting. First guest is Wynn. He's a Native American in Western Montana. He's had an encounter. Yeah, didn't Wynn have a lot of stories, too? A lot of Native American... He sent me a link to...

A story, in fact, it's from our friend Sean's site at Bigfoot Evidence. I'm turning a member of the year where they think it was being beat up. Miles of Bigfoot evidence, this is Real Bigfoot Encounters with Reverend Jeff. This week's story comes from us from an anonymous post from August of 2012. It's no secret that for hundreds of years, Native Americans have had interactions with Sasquatch. They're very familiar with the hairy giant that lives in the wilderness. Throughout Native America and North America, Bigfoot is seen as kind of. of a brother to humans. In Indian culture, the entire natural world, the animals, the plants,

the rivers, the stars, it's seen as a family, and Bigfoot is seen as a close relative, their great older brother. A poster from western Montana wrote an incredible account about various events that had happened while living on an Indian reservation. One event describes how a group of men became traumatized after killing a Bigfoot and burying its body. This is that story. So I want to be up front. I live in western Montana. The mountains are real, the wilderness is real, and so are the people. I live on a reservation and the population of Native American to white and other is about 50-50. My father's a tribal member and my mother is not. I am therefore a white descendant and have grown up experiencing both sides of the culture. I spent time in the rough neighborhoods and at the white-owned ranches and farms. Both are the white-owned ranches and farms. Both whites and Indians have stories that they tell, and they rarely tell them because they're so paranormal in nature.

Let me tell you about something that people don't talk about here. When my father was born, he was conscious. This is something he would never tell a stranger, but I'm telling you what he told me. He remembers being in a waiting room before birth and surrounded by thousands of babies. Some were deformed, some were sickly, some were black and Asian, and other races.

and one of them was covered in hair. It's impossible for me to explain this part better than he could, but basically he saw the waiting room for souls coming into this particular area of the world, and he was one of the few that were let through. I'm only sharing this detail because as a child I had dreams about the hairy man and his family, before I was ever exposed to the concept of Pickfoot. He's dreamed for frightening and unexplainable, and only made sense years later when my father found.

finally related this to me. In my opinion, the hairy man is somehow related to this area in a big way in my ancestors. Having been the first to settle this area, they've had extensive experiences with the hairy men that have been buried under generations of secrecy and tight lips. Sasquatch may be part of my genetic memory as well as my fathers and our grandpothers. Years later, as a small boy, he was playing in the living room when he and his many brothers when one of them burst through the door screaming and crying for my grandmother to come out and make him go away. This was the first time the hairy man had reappeared in my father's life.

My uncle, also a child at the time, I'd seen a Sasquatch in the small garden out back, which is tucked next to a small creek. At the time it was surrounded by trees. This asklox was stealing vegetables and he ran off after being sighted. Nobody spoke of this event afterwards. Sascots was taken for granted back then anyway, and my grandmother, raising a house full of young boys by herself, had no desire to encourage him to panic, which they were. As the years went by, my father reached his early 20s, and stories had been popping up around the reservation about a wild man breaking into houses and scaring children at night. Indian town, it was called, and the downtown area with government housing, etc., is a rough neighborhood that I grew up in myself as a kid. Indian Town was very tight-lipped place, and people didn't speak about these events to anyone, but close relatives. The historic church, which Indian Town centers around, has had many controversies and disturbing stories.

At night, in Indian Town, someone very large and smelly, had been rummaging through garbage and trashing yards. A couple of houses was broken into and completely trashed. Food from the cupboards was taken, food that a bear or other wild animal would. wouldn't have been able to access. People couldn't deduce whether it was a wild animal, an alcoholic, or a drug addict, or just kids causing trouble. This carried on for some years when one family in particular started to be visited by hairy men almost every night. It would come home and see the door was left open. Their food taken and the animals were cowering under the tables and the routine was so familiar that they treated it as common occurrence. Like the family ghost, as my father put it. something that's out there that the fee of family just is afraid to acknowledge.

They kept their lips tight, but word got around. People were getting nervous. Everyone started to lock their doors at night, and this was unheard of during the 70s. Dogs were acting cowardly for no apparent reason. The wild man was having free reign. He was getting bold. He started to break into houses during the middle of the day. Children would see him and flip out.

Police were called. Meetings were held. The town was becoming more and more. more shaken up by the presence of this unknown intruder. This was when something incredible happened to the one particular family who was frequented by the Harryman. They had become so lax and accepting as the hairy man's presence that one night, while standing on the porch, the father was yanked off by clear off of his feet and full view of the entire

family. They screamed and huddled together and cried while whatever it was fought with him. Dad was pulled off the porch. The sounds of fighting and screaming was no one. knowing that your father was powerless against whatever it was, it must have been unspeakably traumatic for the kids. They're now grown up like myself, and I wonder that this day how much this affected their lives. The father was gone for days. Whatever it had taken him was carried him off into the night after a struggle on the porch. There was blood on the grass,

and the family grabbed neighbors and some men from the community to help recover the father. The men got together and followed the signs of the trails left by whatever it was, drops of bloods and signs of something large passing through. They followed this trail all the way to the very creek that my uncle had spotted the Sasquatch at. They followed the creek all night long. When the men returned the next day, they didn't speak a word. The whole group of grown men, not one of them was willing to speak about what happened. They had, however, found the father.

They recovered him. He was beaten black and blue all over his entire body. Ribs broken, arms and legs broken. The father was in shock, incoherent. He couldn't speak a word. One of my uncles had gone to see the man in his family in the hospital. There was a fair amount of goodwill being shown to the family that they went through this experience. Nobody knew exactly what happened.

Only the father was close to death and the family was very shaken up. So my uncle stopped by to pay his respects and saw for himself the father laying in the hospital. hospital. His eyes were bulging wide. He was trembling constantly. This man had been beaten badly by something else was wrong with him. He was traumatized. He died that night, and to this day, nobody really knows what grabbed him or what really happened in the woods that man. Even now, the men who went on this recovery mission to save him have kept the stories to themselves. Only a select circle, including my father, remembers these incidents. Almost nobody talks about them. shared them with you for whatever it's worth. Those men found what took the father that night. They found the hairy man, and they killed it. They shot it to death with high-powered rifles, and they buried the body.

The men who did this feel incredibly guilty. Sasquots, as a matter of fact here, the older generations told us to avoid them and leave them alone. They can most certainly be monsters, and this is one story that cooperates that. Back in the 1970s, there was no desire to be rich and famous for killing us. a Bigfoot. There were no desires to even talk about Bigfoot. These kind of things were dirty little secrets, especially on reservations. Yes, there were plenty of white kids bumping into Bigfoot

and getting in the newspaper, but the Indian community is tight-lipped about this, even still to this day. Harry Man was a dirty little secret, and I'm glad my dad told me this story. To this day, Bigfoot is still sighted in these surrounding mountain ranges, over a dozen times. One of the latest sightings was less than a quarter mile behind my house. At a nearby man-made lake, a Sasquatch was cited by a retired elementary school principal, who I knew personally. He related to my grandmother in private,

and that's the only reason that I know. I hope this was worth the read, anonymous. Well, folks, there you have it. Yet another incredible real Bigfoot encounter. For tonight's show, we have Wynn, who is a Native American from Montana. Hey, Wynne, how are you? Not too bad.

Hey, thanks for being on the show. Appreciate it. Well, Wyn, tell us a little bit about yourself first before we go into things here. I live on the Sadduston Reservation in Montana. I don't know if you guys know where that's at. Yeah, you're near Flathead Lake, right? Yeah. I'm like eight miles away from there.

I'm half white, half Native American. My mom's folklet Indian, my dad's white. Well, being Native American, you have a little, maybe a little more knowledge than some. before we talk about their encounter, what their knowledge of this subject was prior to that time? Yeah, well, when I was little, I was heard of it. You know, my grandma and them told us when they were young, playing outside, get in here before ICA get to.

And ICA means monster and big foot at the same time. You know, I've always believed in it, but, you know, never, like, never paid attention to it until, like, I was getting older. my first time I ever seen was me and my little brother I had to have been at least nine or ten we were up in

Emmer's damn picking apples with my mom and he jumped out of the back of the truck and as soon as we jumped out started walking towards the apples my little brother looked down and he goes wait and look and I looked down and it was just a big old footprint and I got scared if I ran back to the truck

and told my mom and my mom didn't want to look at it but we just We got out of there. Yeah, that's probably a good reason to leave. When was the first time you actually saw one of these creatures? The first one, me and my cousin, we used to work at this slaughterhouse here in Renan where I live. We both just got out of work, we just got done cleaning. When we get on the road, and this big bump jumps in front of us in the road,

and he was a huge butt. And we both wanted to see how actually big he was. So from where the road was, across the road. into the field and back to the other spot where we know there was a road. So we went back there and was looking for him, didn't see him. And so we turned around back there. My cousin Dusty, he was shining a spotlight out there. And he just, like, stops.

Like, what? What do you see? And I look over and I see these big red eyes. And it had been at least nine, ten feet right next to this tree. Like, what are those? And I just got a glimpse of them, like maybe two, three seconds. and look, and he just, like, chills out of there, like, I flew back into his seat, and what did you see? What did you see?

And he just, he wouldn't talk here, just a floor. So I started messing around with him, and I just, like, started, like, screaming, oh, it's in the back of the truck. And he did the steering wheel and just started screaming. And to this day, I can't get him to say what it was. Yeah, he was, yeah, he was driving, and it was on his side. I'm pretty sure he got a good look at what it was, because I only seen the day. big red eyes. What was your reading of it at the time?

What did you think it was? I didn't know what it was then because, you know, Bigfoot wasn't that big back from the day. So I'd seen mine and I started getting into Bigfoot pretty good. Then I started reading all these stories, started seeing like BFR. I was just like, man, that's what I'd seen that night. That's what my cousin's seen and he won't talk about it at the time and he won't talk about it. Yeah.

Well, he doesn't go hunting or anything anymore. He never really was a big hunter, but he used to, he'd come pick me up and he'd go hunting all day and just cruise around in the woods, and now he don't do that. Well, that would definitely be intended to stay out of the woods. Yeah, kind of. Leading up to your siding, what were you doing up to that time? I was hunting. I was hunting most of the day. I was down by the river bottoms and stuff, and I've seen quite a few bucks, but nothing too big.

I'd go up to North Coast Coast Canyon. I know there's big bucks up there all the time. You just got to catch my house. I was going up there. And at first there's a clear cut that's maybe two, 300 yards long. That's where you usually catch them. And I started coming to the end of the clear side, and I was like, all right, well, I'll speed up a little bit

and go up and turn around because it's a dead end road and see if I can catch them on the way back because it's running through it all the time. I get about a corner. It's about a 90. about 80, 70 degree corner around it and like, like, whoa, just kind of looked over and the biggest damn thing I've ever seen. It was like I surprised it.

Don't look in the eyes because I've always heard other Indians. You look at the eyes and they just click in my head for some reason. And just like that half of the second half of, you know, that little bit of a look, I just knew exactly what it was huge. I just started staring at it. my whole body went like a numb feeling like on my feet. Yeah, I'm like, when I was seeing it, it was holding onto this tree about 12 inches around. And a whole hand almost wrapped around it.

Like, it had to have been like four or five inches where, you know, I could still see fingertips and around that tree. And the other hand was just, you know, I stepped on it. Then I was like, man, there's only, I was pretty nervous. I've been in the woods all my life since I knew I had to go up there and there was only one way out so I kind of sat up there a few of it and I was gonna call my brother and I was just pretty scared I didn't I mean this thing was huge it was almost like yeah that's uh I'm pure west and myself and both seen the things are so most people can't comprehend yeah it's like it's not real like

kind of like a dream or it was the weirdest feeling ever yeah it's hard to describe that it's hard to describe that to people. Yeah, it's kind of like a fuzzy, blurry feeling or something. What's funny is I know exactly what you... I know exactly what you mean when you say that. But it's hard to articulate that feeling to someone else. When you say it, I know exactly what you mean, but it's hard to articulate it to someone else

who maybe hasn't had that type of feeling. I felt like when I felt like my body was flushed, I swear I felt like I was maybe a pound and a half, you know, heavy. Like, I got much, I don't know, I got that cold kind of, I don't know, clammy feeling just felt really weird. It felt like everything went into my feet when I seen it. Yeah, my first sighting, I was about 15 feet away from two of them and my skin went completely. I felt like I was drained away, you know, I think it was just...

Yeah, trying to tell people, I know, I didn't tell anybody for, like, three years because I knew nobody he believed me. Like my brothers and my brothers and them they just all make fun of me so I never told anybody and just I was watching that BFRO and I was like you know what the heck with it? I started telling people

what I've seen and some people believe me and some people think yeah whatever I just don't really care anymore. I've seen the things really shouldn't care what other people think. You know we're the ones that have seen these so that what leg have they got to stand on really. Yeah. Well, after, you know, I started telling people about mine, I realized how tight-lipped people are around here about it.

I can get, I've got quite a few people that tell me that they've seen them before. You know, I think that's true, particularly with, you know, and with Native Americans. I've gotten a few people down there to talk, but pretty, pretty tight-lipped. How does the Native Americans feel about Sasquatch on the reservation? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They all believe them. They all believe in him or just, they'll leave him alone. Don't go looking for him. Because if you go looking for him, you'll end up getting hurt. You leave him alone, you'll leave you alone. You know, they're pretty strong when he's out there. And if you go looking for him, you're going to get hurt. And if you see him, pretty universal.

Yeah. Yeah, I guess my uncle Jim, yeah, from maybe a mile down the road from where I was, his father and mother lived not too far from there straight down the road where I've seen mine and they were watching TV one night and they have one of those sliding doors and they're watching TV and his dad said that like there was a little bit of light outside

but whatever stepped in that sliding doorway blackened it out and he couldn't yeah and they had you know stuff moved around their yard that you know

a normal person couldn't pick up just a bunch of weird you sent me a link to a story of a guide knowledge about that story no I didn't

you know after I've seen mine I started getting into Bigfoot pretty big and you know just started listen to different stories and like wow

that's only you know a couple miles from you know in my town I mean, you know, there was like four or five miles there. Yeah, I listened to that. That's pretty interesting story. And I've been trying to research it and trying to find out, you know,

people that were around that day. And it's only one person I found he's in his 80s. And one thing he'd tell me is he heard about it, but, you know, never really thought of anything of it. Years and years before other stories come out. And then oftentimes you've got to go looking for them. The place where I grew up and had my first sighting, I am still hearing from others as well.

So it's very interesting how that happens. You know, people just keep quiet about what they see. Yeah. Well, it probably just scares them enough where they don't want to talk about it. Yeah, that and I think people, like we did, you know, we found tracks back in 1972, and we found these three sets of tracks, and we had no idea. We never heard the word Bigfoot or anything.

We didn't know anything about this. And it kind of got us wound out. So we ran to our friend John's house, and so he grabbed his 45 in a camera, and he said, boy, he's taking you back to where he saw those. And he took a bunch of pictures, so then he proceeds to explain to us what he knew about this. You know, and his 14-year-olds, you get pretty excited about something like that. You know, the prospect of real monsters being. Yeah.

We didn't think any. But then we told, you know, I think a lot of that happens. People are afraid of what other people are going to say about them. Yeah, I listened to, I remember. And a lot of these stories that you were talking about, the two that you ran into, I probably would have just painted, and they probably took off with me. Probably.

Yeah, I'm amazed I kept my wits about me. I've always been that way, though, later, but I didn't want to be on the menu. And Woody and Watt's story, that was a couple of partners who gave me the chills, and I wouldn't stuck around like they did. Well, we didn't have much of a choice. It's not like we could leave.

could leave. But I find it interesting that the elders have told you to stay away from them and they'll stay away from you. Don't bother them. I mean, that's pretty interesting that they give that advice.

There was an encounter back here, and I was telling Wildens last week. There was an encounter Woody ran into the grandson of the guy that owned this farm just east of Vancouver, Washington. And what had happened

is he owned many, many acres out there. Now, I was telling Will's story. It was out, I want to say, in Stevenson. And what had happened... Yeah, that same story out there. Yeah, what had happened is... Just north of Stevenson.

Yeah, just north of Stevenson. The grandson was telling Woody that his grandfather had related the story to him, that he was out there working on the farm, and this guy was walking down the road. And back and then, you know, they would

stop, they would help people. They, you know, it was uncommon to see someone way out there and they'll know where just walking on the road. And this guy's shirt was all bloodied. He looked like he had just been through a war. He had two black eyes. The guy, he actually had

two, I think it was two broken ribs and a punctured lung. What he had actually told the grandfather, and again, the grandson was relating the story to Woody. was this guy was walking down the road. The grandfather went out and met him, asked him, hey, do you need help?

Do you need something? Do you need? And this is all before 911. What the guy had told the grandfather was a monkey, this, he said 800 to 900 pound monkey, had actually grabbed him, and they had gotten into a fight, and he'd basically come out on the losing end of the fight.

And he said this monkey had beaten him up. and the guy had two broken ribs, punctured lung, I mean, it looked like he just got the crap beat out of him. What's interesting about the story is that his mention of this 800-pound monkey had grabbed him out of the forest and they'd gotten into a fight. The grandson was telling Woody that his grandfather wasn't the type to make it stories. His grandfather had actually believed this guy and what had happened to this guy. and it made me think of that story

that the guy that had been pulled off the porch and had been beaten out there out on your reservation. Yeah. Wow, that's crazy. Back then, they probably didn't know what it was, but they've seen monkeys before, so probably described as a big monkey.

Yeah. Yeah, and that's how he described it. It was just an 800-pound monkey. He said 800-pound monkey had grabbed him. They'd gotten into a fight. The guy ended up on the losing end of the fight. Well, the one I've seen didn't look like no monkey. What did it look like to you?

I only got maybe about two, three seconds to look at it for... I remember I didn't look at my face. You know, I kind of like maybe just to quit Gantz and that was it. And they had, you know, some of the ones the stores in there, some have full-covered face hair and some have some... I remember the nose. The nose is about as high as I got. It wasn't, you know, like some of the people say, they have really big noses,

and this one wasn't too big. You know, it looked just pretty much like a normal human nose, but, you know, just black and thicker. Did it appear wider, like a wide nose? Yeah, sort of, but, you know, I didn't get too long to look at it, but it seemed like it fit his body. I didn't get very long to look at it because as soon as I seen it

I just remember don't look them in the eyes I was believing Bigfoot my whole life I just never thought of me seeing one ever because my grandma and all the elders sit and play around at night equal to get you and that's always what kept us inside at night and my grandma was told that when she was young

and my uncles it's just you know something I was always told to us and we're wandering off in the woods too deep at night because the eagle will get you. Yeah, there's quite a few stories. It varies just a little, but not a whole bunch. I can't remember some of the references right now,

but one of them was that they wouldn't hunt at night or they could, but they couldn't. They were told to stay out because that's where these things were. And, of course, you know, a number of them out on the coast, you know, refer to them as man-eaters and nasty things like that, so. Yeah, well, like my grandma told me they're, so in one time they're, yeah. And they're pretty nasty dispositions, that's for sure.

Yeah, when you see them, they don't look like they're going to protect anybody with themselves. Well, you know, it's like the first two I saw. The third one I saw, on the second sighting years later, and that was just a quick, it was, you know, near the water coming and took off. two, you know, that I encountered up close. Unlike you, you know, I didn't know, you know, not told me don't look them in the eyes. You know, that was the first thing I did with lock eyes with the big one.

And it was not a happy look to you and I shot in the air, you know, just to see if I could scare it off or something, you know. And that's when the other one came around from, it didn't look any happy than the first one, so I took off. Yeah. Has it changed at all after, you know, having your sighting? Yeah, but I don't know. don't really want to admit it.

No. Yeah. Yeah, it's like when I'd be hunting elk, they didn't give you a one elk and that from again. Right. Or 17 food and I'd head up in. Now, I just, I just, it's always on your mind when you're in the woods now. Yeah.

You're always on a high alert. Yeah. And I carry a couple more guns now. Yeah, I don't believe. He bought a bigger gun. Yeah. after seeing them there's probably not a lot of guns down there

that take that thing down in one shot if you shot it you better you better just pump everything you have into it and pray because I don't even think of elephant's going to do that yeah I know that feeling after you see one that's definitely the for people who haven't seen one it's hard to understand that but after you see one you kind of

I know exactly what you mean you never feel like the gun you have is big enough yeah you know, I've seen and heard story, you're probably only going to get one shot, and that's it. If you miss, you're screwed. Yeah.

Yeah, because the one I've seen was a freaking monster, huge. The tree he was standing by wasn't, you know, that small of a tree, and he was, you look like a little stick compared to him.

You know, now, hunting, you have a pretty good idea of what animal's way. What do you think that one weighed? had been around 8 to 1,000, something like that. I mean, you look like a huge freaking football player. I used to hear people say, you know, years ago they estimated, and I think a lot of people don't know how to estimate it. Yeah.

Yeah, like, I'm not a small guy either. I'm 6-1, 280. I can drag it up pretty much by myself to pour me up. Easy. Yeah. I mean, his shoulders had been at least five feet wide, shoulder to shoulder. And that's the one thing that, I know for us, people always ask me, well, how tall do you think it was, how much you can get weighed, all this other stuff. But when you see the shoulders, that's the one thing that really caught my attention was the shoulders.

I mean, I just couldn't believe how big the shoulders were on this thing. I mean, and I would say that probably impressed me more. more than, well, a lot of things impressed me about it, but I would say for a moment I was dictated on how big the shoulders were on the sink. I could not leave how big the shoulders were on the thing. Yeah. On my way down, when I went up and turned around and I sat there, man, what am I going to do?

I don't want to go back down. So finally, I just threw it. I had to do in the least 50 out of there, and there was some pretty sharp corners. And all I could imagine The big old rock Or, you know Half of a tree coming at me As soon as I hit that spot

I just started getting all weird And woozy feeling And as soon as I hit that clear cut I knew I was good But I could picture Was a big old rock Coming to my windshield or something Well, like you said

You probably startled it So it probably left You know as soon as you went by Yeah, it was more like It was kind of like a surprise You know Yeah you surprised someone In they stopped real quick

and they just freeze for a second. Right. That's what kind of works. Did you say you actually talk to some of the elders and everything on the reservation there about your sighting, or did they not talk about it? Yeah. And then, hi, this guy, you heard me talking about you.

Oh, you've seen the bigger foot, huh? That's what I call him, that's what I call him, bigger foot. The bigger foot? Nice. Like, yeah, she'd when he's like, yeah, you'll probably see more and walk away. Like, like, something I just want to hear. Yeah, there's something that's mooster tough. He's like, they're all over here.

He's like, they're all over here. He's like, don't worry, they won't hurt you unless you, uh, you know, do something to pretty much make them mad. He's like, just leave them alone and leave you alone, just like a grizzly bear. Right. I'd rather play with a grizzly bear than one of those. So I was, I don't know, this dog, my little brother, he was up behind my dad's house in Dixon, Montana. Him, my sister, and my sister's boyfriend were hunting up there. He ran into a herd of elk.

What was my brother, you know, he said what was weird about it? The elk were scattered everywhere and just didn't look like they knew where to run. And he figured it was just them coming up through him. So he shot one at wolves, dropped it, and they dropped it down to the road. they were sitting there gutting it out and my sister's about six, seven months pregnant

my brother and her boyfriend was sitting there gutting it out and all of a sudden they just shared a bunch of tree breaking and stuff and this

brother my brother said was like a 60-pound rock just comes through there and drop onto the road and my sister was standing there and she just starts cuking my brother's girlfriend

was like what's wrong what's wrong and she just like I knew what that was and she went back my brother and her boyfriend

never even you know their family never said anything about him or he just he thought it was a rock that rolled off

from what my brother said this rock was thrown it was never rolled it was yeah well when I was getting out of it how my brother

said how the elk were because we went back up there he showed me the rock and showed me how the elk were and I think you

the one that's buying my dad house right now was hunting them and my brother and him come around the same time they were getting hunted you know run to his hunt when forgive me but there's not a lot of forest out in montana is there it's pretty fun isn't it there is a lot of woods out here but is there is there okay forest and western montana far i can show you where one where one uh pretty much lives we're going to come in there in september he's always around and he pisses he's always around and he me off.

I've yelled at him before. Don't be around when he's throwing rocks. Yeah, well. What did he? What did he done? He ruins my hunt all the time. Where I hunt, there's, you know, me and my

brothers, we call it our honey hole. Nobody thinks that there'd be elk there. That's where we get our elk every year. Oh, we did until it's been about two, three years since we haven't gotten anything out of there. But now you go in there, it's just, it's a dead silence. Like, he used to shoot mountain chickens up there and squirrels and everything.

And now you don't even see anything up there anymore. The elf moved out. So you're leaving for the actor. Yeah. It's where we used to play, you know. One time I had this bowl bugle and I've been chasing him for a couple years. Clad some. Bull buglewing and he was bugleying like crazy, just nonstop.

and all of a sudden he just shuts up and he runs. I thought it was wolves at first. Man, that's a run. So I came back the next day. Started bugling him again and he's in a different spot. I got close to him. I started seeing him through the trees. And I bugled and he did this like a half of bugle and just took off running.

I'm like, what the hell is going on? I remember somebody told me that he was in there. Easter say he was up there and I thought he yelling at him on day they yelled out damn it leave me that afalone and just walked off and never actually hunted up there again

they definitely do things like that they'll uh I've got an area that every summer sign of these things that no sign of lots of bear the bearer scared to death more than usual they definitely cost them you know the wildlife in the area

Yeah. The thing about this one, he's got like a, I think his Jericho. 14-mile hid at the FRO one, only 14 miles away from Dixon. I'm pretty sure that's just the mountains kind of cut off from right where my dad's house is and head towards like planes and stuff. I'm thinking that's where, you know, his stretch of the woods is. Timber, this is where he comes is down our reservation. We have tons of deer and elk.

you can come here and you'll see him all day long. Some people say we're overpopulated. He doesn't bother livestock, you know. He doesn't, he don't bother him. I think he's just smarter than that. Nobody goes looking for him or something. That's probably true. I don't like human contact.

Well, Wes and I are definitely going to have to come here at his range. What part of Washington are you guys here? Wes is in Vancouver and I'm in Northern California. Oh, you're in California? No, Washington is not that. far from here. Spokane is only like two hours away from here. Yeah, you're only about an eight-hour drive or so.

Yeah, he's not that far from here. And, yeah, we have plenty of woods around here. I don't know if you've ever seen our mission mountain. No, I've never been to Western Montana. I've been to wherever Kuster's last

stand was, and I remember thinking, God, this country is like flat as hell. Yeah, that picture is southeastern Montana. Yeah. Yeah, Europe. We're in the flat stuff. Yeah. We have huge mountains, huge hills, big lake.

We have lakes everywhere. Yeah, western Montana is beautiful. I think we have the best reservation out of all of them. That could really well be. Yeah, I think we're the second biggest reservation. We just don't have that casino crap. Yeah. That's where all the money's at, man.

Yeah. There's more of life than most of the other people. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I can't think you enough when for coming on. Definitely take you to some spots in the Mission Mountains where there's bigger foot. I'd love to. I'd love to go.

And I appreciate it. I'll sit in the car while you go look around. You know, my friends all tell me they, whenever I'm in the field, they're hiding, you know, giving me the finger behind my back. So, probably look. Yeah. I really don't go look for him, but, you know, if I run into him again, you know, I can't stop that. But I just don't care to see him anymore.

There's some big scary-looking things. You know, that's funny to be all these people that, you know, would give anything to go out and see one. But you might regret having that kind of a wish. That's what I... You know that lady on the BFRO? What's her name? Renee? Yeah, Renee.

I had a feeling for her, like, she's going to... she's going to see one and it's going to be bad for her. I don't know why, but she's going to run into one and regret it. Because she's such a disbelief. I always got a feeling that she's going to get hurt doing that. Yeah, I guess maybe I'd feel that way towards Renee, but when you see her next to Moneymaker, all of a sudden you kind of love Renee after a while.

You're like, and I don't know if it's because you see her next to Moneymaker, or maybe if I saw her in a different light, I may not like her. but I like her I love Renee I don't know I feel nothing against her

it's just you know she just needs open up her eyes a little bit and realize they are out here yeah

and how they chase them and you know all the time it's just I don't know I just feel like it's not going

to turn out good for them well it's kind of silly the way they do that stuff so personally I wish

I never would have seen one because it's kind to ruin me you know I can agree with that. I mean, if I would have had the choice, I would have chosen not to encounter them. Me too. I really wish I wouldn't see one.

Yeah, it's weird. You guys say that, because I've thought about that, too, and I felt the same way. Like, I wish I would have never seen one. You'd almost rather stay ignorant of it, because it does kind of, you know, like you were saying, it's always in the back of your mind. You can't ever totally unwind and just really enjoy the outdoors. Right. Because it's always back there.

Yeah, like I used to go and just hike, and I wouldn't even care if it got dark, you know, I knew my way out. Now I guess I think I got to get out of for it gets dark. Yeah, exactly. Well, and we sure appreciate being on the show, ma'am. Yeah, thank. We appreciate it very much. Yeah, even if you just come up here to enjoy the lake, you know, our lake's huge. Just come and check out the country.

It's plenty of tall mountains. Yeah. to the Glacier Park, you'll... There's plenty of them here. Yeah. In fact, send me a friend request on Facebook, and I'll send you some pictures to let you see you with life. I will.

I will, absolutely. Everyone here at Bigfoot Hot Spot Spot Radio would like to thank audible.com. Audible.com is the internet leading provider of audiobooks with over 150,000 different titles to choose from. To download a free audiobook of your choice, go to audibletrial.com forward slash big butt hotspot. The guest is Beth.

She's in eastern Tennessee and has had several encounters. How well? Hi there. How are you tonight? I'm good, but I'm kind of tired tonight. I've been what I call cyber splotting all day. Yeah, I'm kind of tired. Well, Wes is with us here.

Awesome. Okay. Hey, Beth. How are you? Oh, I'm doing great. Doing great. It's good to hear from you. Yeah, I'm excited about being on the show. I'm a big fan. Oh, I appreciate it. You guys are so great. Oh, thank you so much. I really enjoy the show.

You guys are, you know, you're professional and, you know, you just, you seem like, you know, genuinely nice guys, too. Oh, wow. Thank you. so much best. That's so nice of you. Okay. You're welcome. I think that's the nicest compliment I've gotten from a woman in a long time. Really? Oh, come on now. Sure, surely not. Surely not. Well, when you're a diehard, when you're a diehard bigfoot researcher,

and, you know, you do have to spend time, you know. You spend a lot of time, you know. Maybe the women will be a little bit more kind to you. Do you hear that out there, woman? Be nicer to me. Yeah, give the poor guy a break. Yeah, give me a break. Give me a chance. Yeah, there you go.

Okay, Beth. Well, I guess usually I like to get a little background on what people knew about the subject of Bigfoot before they had an encounter. So that's right. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so before the first time, what did you know about the subject? Okay. All right. Well, I grew up here in East Tennessee. I grew up about 25, 30 miles from Knoxville. That's where I did most of my childhood years. And I didn't know much about the subject of Bigfoot. I was one of five children at the time. And the first thing that I ever remember was being the Paris and Jim on film when I was a kid. And, you know, I was just a kid. I didn't think much of that.

You know, I just thought, ooh, that, you know, that's scary. And we went on with our plan, you know. We just played all the time in the woods and the fields, you know, the pastures and the creeks. And there was a time when I was growing up, though, that we had a big snow on. And, you know, I was one of five kids, and we, of course, we lived away in the snow. And we were on one of our neighbor's property. And we came on, they came upon these huge footprint in the snow, and they had towed. And I remember, you know, I wrote this, my sister's, oh, look at this.

You know, I bet that's big foot, you know. But, you know, we came home, we told our parents, they kind of laughed it off, and we just, you know, we never, you know. really thought anything else about it. Well, so, you know, I grew up. I joined the Air Force, you know, traveled around a little bit, and I just ended up right back here in Tennessee. During the 80s, I had seen a Tudy program, and I don't know which one it was,

that a man had come forward and said that he was the man in the Bigfoot suit, you know, and the Patterson Jim on film. And now I know that's Bob Hieronymus, and, you know, that's been proven, you know, it's been proven plenty of times that that cannot be as in that, you know, in a group. That Patty is real. She is real. I heard that, and I didn't say anything to be doing those years, you know, I was just getting my life started.

So I kind of just need to, oh, okay, that's got, you know, this guy can forward his, and the first thing that happened was, I had made suggestion to me, and I was staying in Jefferson County with my son, and we lived in a little house, and in front of our house, well, actually it was the back of the house, I'm sorry, it's safe. There was about 20 feet off of the deck. There was a little bit of yard, and there was a fence, and right beyond that was a cattle pasture. There was a farm, you know, produced south farm, and off the lake of the lake. I asked about, I would say, probably 75 yards. There was a little wet weather, wet weather creek there. And the creek bank, the banks from bank to bank,

probably spread around 20 feet, I'd say. It was just a small little stream, you know. Well, one night I was out, this was in April of 2012. I had went out, it was about 10 o'clock at night. and I had walked out on the deck to smoke a cigarette. I just, I don't pay attention to things, you know, when I go, you know, when you just walk out the door, you know, you're not expecting to have something scaring you to death, you know, you walk out the door naturally.

Well, I walked out the door, took about two steps, and there was something about 20 feet in front of me, there was the tree line and the fence line. there was a tree there straight in front of me and something behind that tree roared at me and you know

growing up playing in the woods and you know being around cattle and animals you know what animals sound like and you know what certain animals don't sound like and this was this something I had never heard in my life

never wanted to here really it was deep It was loud. It was aggressive. And it was a, you know, like an aggressive, whew, sounded. And it literally scared me today. I was terrified.

I immediately turned around, ran back in the house, screaming, telling my son. There's something out there. There's something out there. Well, he goes out consciously and it's gone. He goes out and checks it out and it's gone. I get over it a couple of weeks go by, And I'm like, well, you know, I don't know what that is, but, you know, I doubt it will happen again.

Well, I haven't recently had a huge neck surgery and it was unlike me to get up at night. Oftentimes I would get up at night, you know, kind of hurting, and I'd move around or I'd go outside and, you know, have a cigarette or something, you know, just to move around a little bit. But this was about two weeks after 15th wore that me from behind this tree. I step outside and I go and I stick down on the porch, on the deck steps. The very same deck. And the porch light was on behind me. I had turned it on.

I was sitting there in about 30 seconds. Went to die and I start in these six steps. They're coming from the left of me. out towards the creek in the cowpatch. I hear something walking up the fence road. And I'm thinking to my, but this is 3.30 in the morning, by the way. It was just, I remember sitting there thinking, why in the world is somebody then walking up this fence row at 3.30 in the morning.

And all kinds of things are going through my head. head. Well, I listen to this thing, and it's two feet hitting the ground, you know, one step right after and over and over, and their head is set. And I can hear the leaves, you know, and stuff under and crunching. Well, I thought to myself, okay, and we'll get here for a second or two and see what's going on with. The same starts, you know, it continues to walk towards me. And when this creepiest, to the left of them, it stepped over this creep without even breaking its drop.

And when I realized that, that's when I got along and I stirred up. And I thought, just stand here, just in here and see what this is, you know. Well, the light being coming from the honey is illuminating the trees in front of me, and that's about it.

Well, I set back a couple steps. And when this thing gets to where it clears the tree, I see what I can describe only as like around six inches of the body of it. And it was gray and brown. It was hairy, and it was big. And I got to that point, and I just couldn't stand there any longer. I just felt vulnerable. It was like, you know, 20 feet away. You know, I was overcome with fear, and I went back in the hall.

Would be pretty scary. Yeah, yes, it was. It's, you know, it even bothered me to the point where I asked the man that on the land, I saw him out in the pasture one day in the hall if one's come closer to asking a question. I said, you know, do you have anything animals that I'm not aware of, you know, that, to his husband. I told him what happened, and he said, no, you know, I don't.

And I told him, you know, what I was concerned that it might be. He just kind of asked off. And so, you know, I told my son and his wife, and, you know, they sort of believed me, but, you know, but it bothered me. You know, it bothered me that this happened, but nobody really believed me, you know.

he didn't he didn't have any hundred pound monkeys running around no and you know what there was a you know about I think it was probably a week after I talked to him his son

had a house beside of his one house and this guy is out I get to see him from his farm machinery and he sees me sitting he looks over and sees me sitting outside and this guy

actually said this, he starts whistling like he's calling a dog. And he said, here, monkey, monkey, monkey. Really? And, you know, that hurt my, you know, they kind of hurt my feelings, you know. You know, I came to a serious question. Yeah, people are. People are cruel sometimes. Yeah, they are.

They can be. That's for sure. When you heard the thing roaring at you, how far away were you from it? And did it sound like a lion's war? No, it sounded, it didn't sound like a lion's war. It was a lot deeper, and it was only about, I only about 25 feet from me, and it was standing behind a tree, a pretty good size tree, so I couldn't see it.

I could not see what was falling at me. But it was more of an aggressive, you know, really strong, you know sound oh I got you I got you um but you know and

I didn't sit around to hear anything more you know I took off the man in my house what did you what did your son what did your son say when he went out and looked

when he set him out or when he went out and looked well he um you know his wife she got scared because she could say I was terrified

and he calls just what He was very cautious when he went outside, I have to say. But he did go out and look around and whatever it was that you've gone. They took me kind of seriously, you know. You know, if you think about it, how can you take somebody real seriously if you don't know much about the subject yourself, you know? Well, you get first, I mean. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I did. You can cut you some fly. Yeah. Well, now, he kind of becomes a believer in my account here, so I guess I'll move along two years later. Yeah, go ahead. Okay. All right. I had moved with my son and his wife and their little boy last summer.

I guess I'll just start with the very next thing that happened. We had been to town, and we got home. one evening it was exoner and we got out of the various vehicle and my son walked in the house and me and my daughter and all Whitney were behind him and we were walking up towards the porch well the paltors the this beautiful field is off just right up crellas I mean I could touch the fence it got pelted with rocks she got hit on the leg and so did that I wanted the rocks ran to them on top of my shoes, I made it with stopped and looked around, you know, like, hey, what this through, you know,

we just got it was locked. What in the world, you know, is going on here? Well, they knew that I had been doing some decent research, so I didn't really say a whole lot about it. I suggested, you know, hey, you know, there's something that could be a fast squad store and and locks in it. You know, there were, there was, the, the field was grown up a lot during, uh, during, you know, that time ago, the guy that I'm going to go in had not noticed, but hey yet.

So it was grown up, and there are a few trees around there. So, you know, it's possible. There's nothing else. The fact is there's nothing else in our woods that can pick up rocks and throw rocks. There's not bears down in this area where I'm at. A bear would be highly rare to be plugged to feel. Raccoons can't, you know, cattle can't, squirrels, chipmucks, you know, nothing. Yeah, pretty much narrows a depth.

It does. I mean, it just comes down to the fact that the lemonade, you know, different animals that could do this. And there's nothing, you know, there's nothing in our woods here that can do that. Well, I kind of got on alert after that. After, you know, a couple of what should have been by and they, they, they, you know, they, have two dogs and I have a dog so we didn't let the dogs out well I noticed the dogs were kind of acting kind of funny they would go to a certain spot right at the field

line there was there was a lot of weeds that would grow up in the field you know and the farmers cut them at the end of the summer for hay well right I mean right off of the porch and for you know a little way off the left of the porch something it's The weeds had been mashed down. A big area of weeds had been mashed down. Well, the dogs would walk up there and sniff it almost every time I let them out. They would. Well, I thought, you know, that's kind of odd because this guy has not put his cattle in here yet this year in this field.

I went up there one day, and I put my nose down to the field and smelled. You know, what are they smelling over here? And it smelled like, that area smelled like a horse that had been ridden, really. Has anybody ever said that, you know, they smell like an equine smell? Sometimes, yes. Like a sweaty horse? That was what I smelled over there in that area. Well, so they would, you know, they would go and they would, you know,

check out different parts of the yard. One evening, it was getting late in the evening. It was almost dark, and my son and his wife were gone. I was there with the baby. And I had to go outside to make a strong call because I didn't did a good signal there. So I let the dogs out. Well, they immediately go running up to the side of the yard up near the graveyard. And there's some trees and quite a few bushes there, and they were barking.

They started barking at something. And, you know, it kind of startled me because there was nobody at church. You know, there was no signs of anybody in the field that I could see. Well, all of a sudden, they're standing there barking, and then all three of them come flying up on the porch. Just scared. It's something scared them. Something really scared them bad.

When the dogs come running up on the porch, I'm looking. I'm on the phone. but I'm thinking out my goodness you know what the world's over there and off to the right of me towards the back of the house something hits the back of the house now I think that there were two at least two of these things one out where the dogs were barking and something through a walk or hit of some you know something and hit with five of the dead so the dogs go running in the house and so did I.

So that pretty much, you know, there was a couple of other things that went on after that that I thought were kind of suspicious. One morning I had woken it, it was still dark and my dog was standing at the window, growling. And I told him to be quiet because I was like to wake the baby up. Well, that morning I get at that I go outside and my son, under some trees, had, they had a great big full-sized canoe and he had it sitting up there on a little bank turns completely over and this morning after my dog was sent to when the ground when I went outside and the canoe was running up on its side well this is a

full-sized canoe it passed away at least you know five six hundred pounds it's a big one and I thought that was odd and I asked my My son did he do it? And he said, no. And I said, well, do you realize something has turned the canoe over? He said, well, yeah, well, maybe it's a little one, you know, he doesn't really want to entertain, you know, the fact that there might be, you know, some of the best, what's around. But, you know, the place where the distance between our first encounters, when the

thing growled at me from the home of the tree and the place where he lives, he lives, there's only got 10 miles different in the difference. So it's very possible, you know, they're out there, and they are in intensity. Quite a few people have noticed on the BFRO reports on their website that there have been encounters documented and investigated. So, I mean, what did you, as far as the canoe being tipped over, I mean, at what point do you start thinking that Sasquatch and not something else? I mean

The point where I thought It was such Which was when we got hit by rocks Yeah how big were the rocks How big were the rocks They were just They were small They were small gravel

Pebble Pop rocks that you might find In the field or on the bank You know A bank somewhere You know Around They were rocks You know

They were little pebble like rocks and I, you know, one of them landed on top of my shoes. Can I ask you, how did you take the rock-thurring behavior? And I ask that meaning, here's the point of my questioning. So I've heard some people say, and I call them flute players, so there's about 20 hate males, I'm sure I'll get here shortly. Oh, well, we don't care about that. No, when I, like, if I, the rock-throwing thing, they'll say it's playful,

but I don't take that as playful I mean if you're going to throw rocks if I'm going to throw rocks at someone I'm not going to take that as playful you know what I mean I'm going to take that as I don't take it I mean how did you take it

you're being hit with rocks obviously they weren't hurting you but right right I took it and I still think to the say that that is a hey get out of my this is I'm here you get away from me

You know, this is my area. Kind of a way of shooting you out of the area. Right, right. Right. Yeah, I agree. Especially with little rocks, you wouldn't think that would be... Little Rocks aren't quite... They're confrontational, but it's not to the point to where it's going to explode.

You know what I mean? Right. Now, when the rock hit, when the dogs came running up on the porch and when the rock hit the house the side of the house off to my wife, I was not facing that area, so I don't really know there were plenty of rocks on the ground there and there were brains and stuff, you know, just kind of, you know, they live in a little, you know, there's woods around their house. So, but that was a large rock. There had to be something pretty big because of the way it hit, it was loud, and it was thrown with some force. And then it made out of it. It scares me.

You know, it startled me. Do you see your dogs wanted to come inside? Yes, they sure did. Even the cats, there were two young cats there. Even the cats come running up on the porch when that was going on. Do you mind me ask them what was going through your mind at that point? Because, you know, when you start to... you, and I'm sure you're a lot like me, Beth,

when you, even though you may not see something, but when you start watching other animals react. Exactly. See, if people will watch their animals, their animals will tell them a lot just by their actions. Even, you know, even birds and trees will make calls that are alarming and each other that there's somebody around or was a hunter with a gun or you know animals the animals know and i watched the animals you know i watched them a lot of times go up to that

spot and smell that area where where the you know in the field where the grass was smashed down it was almost like something was going in there and laying you know something had been lay in there and actually left a smell behind. So animals will teach you. Animals will show you a lot. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned birds. I used to hate those damn birds. Every time I go out hunting,

they sound the alarm. And I'd be like, really? Can you be any more loud while I'm out here trying to hunt a deer? They knew what you were out to and given you your way. Yeah, you can hear them from like, you know, a mile away those damn birds would sound the alarm. when you're out there out there hunting night. Because the guy with the gun.

Yeah. You know, one thing that I would like to mention, you know why I grew up and when we saw the big six prints in the smell, we played up on those ridges all day long, almost every day, swinging on these big vines that were hanging in trees. We were just rambunctious kids. I was talking to my sister though, and I said, You know, Mrs.

The whole time we were growing up, I do not remember seeing one deer or one squirrel in those woods. And, oh, I forgot to mention that. My mom heard a screen, yeah. I forgot about that. This place over in Union County, you know, when I was little growing up. My mom and my dad, like one night, we were all of the kids, all of the kids were in bed. they heard it's something screaming coming from the wood.

And my mom said it sounds like a woman being murdered. And they kind of just said maybe it was a cat, you know, a bobcat or something. But we met a soft bobcat or anything like that. So going up, training those woods. And after, last week I said, Mom, The screen that you heard that night you and that heard, was that a short screen or was it a long sustained screen? And she said it was a long sustained screen. So, you know, that, I wonder about that.

I wonder if they not hear a fast watch that night. I wonder why we didn't see. We never saw one deer and I lived there for seven years. the only thing I saw in the woods was one grouse. We ran up on a grouse one time, and, you know, you can't, you can always see grouse, you know, in the woods. Yeah. You run up on and they, you know, they're flat, and that's the only time you see them, you know. So, you know, why were there no deer and squirrel in those trees?

I mean, were they afraid? Had they all been eaten up, you know? I mean, it does make me wonder. Usually the woman screaming, the noise people say that, you know, sounds like a woman being murdered down the woods. Usually I'll blow that off as a feline, you know, I mean, Bobcat, Mountaine. Except for when it comes from country folk,

that's the only time where I kind of raise an eyebrow. Because you know they've heard. Heard all those animals, right? They've heard that before And when they say that Hey, I've never heard this before And this is what it sounds like That's the only time that I usually give pause

And I stop to think You know what? I don't know Because Like my grandparents used to live out in the woods We hear coyotes I've heard the woman screaming in the woods before And there was a lot of bobcats,

Mountain Lions, that'll make that noise But when you hear someone say that Who actually lives out there and they say, hey, I've never heard this before. I don't know. It kind of makes you raise an eyebrow a little bit. I don't know. What do you think, well?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, I'm more apt to listen to somebody who lived and spent their whole life in an area or, you know, spend a lot of time hunting those animals. You know, when they say it's unlike anything they've heard before, then, yeah, I'm going to pay attention to that because they know what they're talking about. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you on that. You know, they grew up in the country, my mom from West Virginia and my dad did from here in East Tennessee,

and they had never heard anything like that. And, you know, it just makes me wonder, you know, was that a Sasquatch. It was around about that time when one of our neighbors had a cast that had gotten killed, something had gotten a hold of his cast. and he came up and told us about it and you know I just think that you know could that have been you know it's possible

but that I'd be so good to talk to you guys I love the show I do I really love the show Will I was taking your website today and your picture of pod standing when it more you know he's somebody sent me that thing was Well, I liked it on Facebook because that was pretty good. Oh, wow.

Maybe he was the five-year-old. Maybe he was the five-year-old that he saw, the five-year-old big fit that he saw. No, I don't want to talk about anybody, really, but I didn't want to comment on that, though. Go ahead, Beth. People should check it out. Do you mind giving your email address? us out so people can send email your way instead of our way?

Oh, sure. I'll take the load off of you guys. No, I try to be a little bit diplomatic and not say too much about it, but I couldn't revisit, you know. I just couldn't reduce that one. When you actually have seen one, it changes you in a weird way. I mean, I think back

there's a lot of things that happened to me and Woody when we were hunting prior to our encounter. We've never talked about and we kind of scratched our heads about like I wonder what that was and looking back there's a lot of things to where I mean I and I'm first to be kind of critical and not chalk everything up to Sasquatch I'll usually try and some other reason or some other explanation besides Sasquatch but there's a lot of things I can look back now when we were hunting that we scratched our heads on that we have never really talked about. And I think there was a lot of things that happened that we,

because we didn't really believe in Sasquots, we just kind of rolled our shoulders and chocked it up as, you know, who knows. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, it wouldn't be nice to know, you know, each time, you know, what really was that, that would be nice. Yeah.

Well, I've got a question for you, Will. Sure. I have not heard your account. I need to buy your goods, is what I need to do. But I'm just kind of curious. And, you know, when you saw both two right in front of you, what did they look like? What did their faces look like?

I've heard you say, well, what I saw didn't look in the much. some of these other folks that say they look more human. You said that what you saw was definitely not human. The faces were, you know, gauze were very big. Oh, it could have. Really? Wow. What color was an eye?

And not a dark brown. Did the whites of the eyes show? A little bit, yeah. Hmm. So they didn't have, like, they didn't have more of a dog-like nose, like some people say these were more of a monkey look to their face. Yeah, well... Or they're like you and me, you know, us and them kind of...

Well, it was flatter, not a human-type nose. It was... I looked at those pictures after he told me that, and I said, well, you know, that's it. That's right. That's pretty close to that. Wow, you guys are, in a way, you're, you know, really... Well, I think you're really lucky to have seen something like that. You know, in my situation, I'm scared at the moment.

No. You know, I can't say enough about you guys. You guys are great. Yeah, we appreciate that. You've got some class, you know, and there's not a lot of class in a Big Fit community here lately. Not too much, no. Right, right. I appreciate it, Beth.

And thank you for listening so much, and we appreciate having you on. We certainly do. Well, thanks for having me on. It was a pleasure. We'll hope everyone and enjoy tonight's show and come listen to us again next week. Have a good night, everyone. Sports betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus, and wagering week is your antidote.

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