Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:295 The creature was hit by the police car

Episode Date: February 3, 2017

A listener writes "Hi Wes the above report is my experience with the Florida Skunk Ape. I'm a big fan of your show if you would be interested in interviewing me I'd love to come on." Here is the report: "In 1974 I was 12 yrs. old visiting my sister M and her family in Davie FL with my cousin A who was 15 at the time. One night we were sleeping on a pull out couch in the sitting room. When we smelled something like a skunk only worse, we asked my sister what it was she said it was the Skunk Ape and he comes around in the hottest summers. We didn't believe her so we asked our friends and they said it was real. One night while we were sleeping we seen a huge shadow come across the picture window. Then it turned looked at itself and let out a blood curdling scream that scared us half to death. Then it turned and walked to the side of the house and we followed it by going in the side bathroom. There it squatted down to eat a wild watermelon then it went to the back of the house to a man made lake, squatted down and drank some water. A few nights later the beast attacked a wild horse in its coral but the horse got away by jumping over the coral and ran off into the pasture. The rancher came out and took a few shots at the beast but it got away. When the horse came back it had finger prints on its hind quarters, not scratches but finger marks. A few nights later the beast came back and killed a farmer's bull. The farmer took a few shots at the beast but missed it. At the same time my sister and her husband J were coming home from a night out and the sheriff and his deputy were on patrol. We jumped into Joe's car and followed the Deputy when the beast stepped out of the darkness and was hit by the police car..."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. Going to be speaking to Alfred. And Alfred will be sharing his encounter that happened to him back in the 70s. Very fascinating encounter. He was staying with families, originally from New York,

and he was down there visiting during the summer. And just an interesting encounter, he actually submitted his encounter to the BFRO, and it's report number 44837. But what's interesting about him submitting that report is whoever investigated this encounter did an exceptional job. She actually went through and found other places around this property where people had reported seeing this creature and even police officers. that had reported seeing this creature during this time.

Interesting encounter. And it's even interesting to hear the behavior of the creature. I think at one point throughout the encounter actually gets struck by a police car. And I'll let Alfred go into all of that. But it's a very, very interesting encounter. This is normally Sunday's show. I kind of had to move things around because of weather. I know a lot of people were having power outages and are just getting hit hard with freezing rain and snow.

So I kind of had to move things around. But for the members, I'll be back on Sunday, have a lot of guests lined up, and one very interesting encounter with a turkey hunter and one of these creatures. So you definitely don't want to miss that. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out the website. Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can check out the daily blog, become a member, get additional shows.

You know, one thing that's interesting is Russell Miller had posted this to our Facebook group and was asking everyone's opinion. He was out one night and he captured this on his audio. And he wasn't saying it was Bigfoot related. He was just like, hey, guys, what do you think this is? Take a listen to this recording. before. And while I think this is coyotes, I can definitely understand why Russell broke out the recorder. I think I would have broke it out too. I really think it's coyotes or a male coyote is what I think

it sounds like. But I think it's cool that Russell broke out the recorder. I wish more people would do that when they're in this situation and they hear something a little bit off. They break out the recorder. Great job Russell getting that. But here's coyotes. Here's what a coyote right before the pack goes off. Off into their annoying. yep, every one of them goes off. But I think that what Russell captured was a lone coyote, probably a male coyote doing a territorial call. That's my uneducated guess. I don't think it was a dog man.

I don't think it was a Sasquatch. But I do applaud you for breaking out the recorder and recording it. As you listen to those two, I mean, you can hit rewind and go back and listen to compare them both. I can kind of see why Russell broke out the recorder. I think I would have too. I think I would have broke it out and started it. recording that because it does sound a little off, but I still say coyote. But great job at, you know, bringing back something, some audio, bringing back something.

You know, even if you capture something, I had noticed on Facebook the other day, someone had posted a footprint and said, hey, what do you think this is? And I think it was a bear stepping in its own foot. But, you know, capture those things. bring them in. And, you know, not in, I know that on Facebook, social media, everyone's an expert. But it's good to kind of get a second eye on it. And as long as everyone can kind of be civil, I think it's easier to resolve and weed out things that probably aren't these creatures.

But great job, Russell, Matt, goes off to you. Great job capturing that audio. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Alfred to the show. Alfred, thanks for coming on. Appreciate you being here. Thank you, Wes. Thanks for having me. Please call me out. Everybody calls me out.

All right, Al. And, you know, thanks for coming on. I was really, you sent me the report you had submitted to the BFRO of your encounter that took place out there in Florida. If you would, kind of start from the beginning. Just tell us what you guys were out doing and walk us into the whole experience, the whole encounter. Tell us what happened. Okay. It was in 1974, and you got to understand.

My sister was living in the outskirts of this little town called Davey was right on the edge of the swamp down there in Florida, the Everglades. And we were at her house, but every summer, like my father, and me and my cousin would get sent down to Florida. It was like our summer camp, you know what I mean? and my cousin Anthony was like 15 and I was 12 and he was more like my older brother than my cousin and my sister's husband Joe he had a restaurant in this little town Davey and it was a little town it had you know dirt streets and the biggest thing was the rodeo on the 4th of July and they had this house out in this new development called Sunshine Acres and it was only a few houses out there at the time And it was a big, like, square piece of land.

I used to jog it as a kid. I think it was, like, two miles all the way around or something to that effect. And, you know, we were hanging out one night late. My brother-in-law Joe was an ex-marine, so every day he had a list of stuff for us to do. We just did it on a work around the house. All we did was work all summer. But he was really cool because, you know, we only worked to a certain time, like, one in the afternoon, and it was just too hot. and my dad had a beautiful, you know, built-in pool.

We had dirt bikes, and we knew we got, we knew some people in the neighborhood from always being down there every summer. So we had friends down there, you know, and one of the kids that we hung out with his father had a stable, a horse stable, and they did, they did tours in the swamp. They took people out and horses, and we knew the swamps pretty well because we hung, we were, not only did we take the horse out there, but we wrote our dirt bikes out there and stuff. And so it's 1974 and we're hanging out watching, I don't know, Don Pierce of rock concert or something like that back in the day. And we get this horrible smell that comes past the house. My sister had two huge German Shepherd and they started going ballistic. I mean, absolutely ballistic. And I actually had to put them in the garage because I thought they were going to wake up the whole house.

They were going crazy. And we just, you know, we didn't think anything of it. You know, the first night we just thought it was a skunk. But it was like a really, really. really a powerful smelling skunks. So the next day, we'll get up and we're sitting at the breakfast table. And I asked my sister, says, man, did you smell that skunk? I came by the house, left at it.

But whatever it was, it made the dogs crazy out. I had to put them in the garage. And she said, oh, that's not a skunk. That's the skunk cape. And we're like, me and my cousin Anthony, being from the city, you know, we're like, let's the skunk cape, you know. And she goes on to describe what it is, you know, Florida. They call fast spot or Bigfoot a skunk gate because of this really bad smell and this,

and the other thing. And we thought she was pulling our leg, you know, her and my brother thought, you know, people from the city that they were really pulling our legs, you know. So later on in the day, we got together with all our friends from the neighborhood. And we always, like I said, we hung out in the swamp. There was one area that was pretty dry. We used to make jumps and jump our bikes and everything else. And we started talking about the skunk cape.

You know, I said, did you guys ever hear about the skunk gate? I'm just telling this the story. And, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, man, that the Stunk Gap is really true. And, you know, usually comes around this time of year when it's really, really hot like this. And that summer was really, really hot. There was fires in the Everglades. There was no rain. It was really bad.

I remember they had, like, a drought, a water drought. And you weren't allowed to water your lawn. And my brother-in-law was a nut. His house was, like, gorgeous. and it should have been like on Homes and Gardens. He said, he goes, I don't care. They could find me. I'm watering my grass.

I'm watering my plants. And it was just crazy that way. I say, yeah, some marine you are, you know what I mean? And so, you know, that was our first experience into the skunk gate, a little forum there. And then, again, a couple days go by, we're hanging out late. And we usually stood up to the wee hours watching TV. Back then, the TV would go off like around 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning. It would just be nothing on, but no, you know.

And we'd go to bed and we're laying in. My sister had this sitting room in the front of her house. She had this big, beautiful home at a circular driveway. And it was fenced in on three quarters of the property. From the front of the house where the actual house was, the fence went out on both sides, and then around the back yard it was a five-foot fence. I think the backyard was like two and a half acres, and the front yard was a half an acre,

and the front wasn't fenced in now, you know. And we're laying in this pull-out bed in the sitting room, and we just gone to bed. It was like 3 o'clock in the morning, and we're still talking, you know, and the house is really quiet, and the dogs are sleeping in the living room. And then all of a sudden,

we see the dogs jump, jump up and they're growling, they're looking out the front door, and they're going crazy, and they're really getting nuts. And my cousin said, you better put them in the garage before, you know, they wake up the whole house. So I put the dogs in the garage. And the dogs are going absolutely insane. But we didn't take anything of it because, you know, we didn't smell anything at that point. It's just the dogs, the dogs had must have fenced this thing coming towards the property.

So we're laying in the bed, and then all of a sudden we see this huge shadow come across the wall in front of us. And we look at this giant shadow because my sister had floodlights on the corners of the house with sensors. And anytime anything came close to the house, the floodlights would kick on. So the floodlights kicked on, and there's a huge shadow gets drawn across the wall.

And I immediately jump off the bed, and I do a belly roll, and I crawl to the window that's got this giant, it's a big picture window in front of the house, and it's got a giant, shade on it, pull it down. And my cousin is froze solid. He's not moving because he doesn't know what

the hell it is. And I peek out the shade and as I peek out the shade, there's this dark brown with red highlight, tinted highlights, not highlights, but red tinted hair of this creature looking directly into the picture

window. And this picture window is only like eighth of an inch thick, you know? And it goes into this like incredible Hulk flex kind of motion and it screams this blood curdling scream and I'm looking at it from the corner to window and I'm thinking this thing is looking at me and it's screaming at me but probably in reality you know in hindsight being 2020 it probably seen its own reflection in the glass and thought it was another skunkie for something and it was just doing some kind of territorial thing

but anyway after it does this giant flex my cousin jumps out of the bed And it starts walking off towards like the east side of the property. And it's, we, which had the kids, the kids bedrooms on it. And in between the kids' bedrooms, there was a full bathroom. So we ran into the bathroom. We left the light off. I said that had a black screen in front of the window. The windows were tinted.

We left the light off of this creature couldn't see us. And we were looking out the window, standing in the bathtub, looking at it. It's just, you know, my brain can't comprehend what my eye as a scene. You know what I mean? It's mind-boggling. It's just like, this can't be real. It's just, it's not real. And my cousin is saying it's an effing monster, it's an effing monster, you know.

And I'm watching this thing walk along the fence line. And like I said, the fence was six foot tall. And this thing was head and shoulders above the fact that had to be a solid nine feet tall. thousand pounds it was a big boy and right next our property with a vacant lot that had wild watermelon vomit and the whole time it's walking along the fence line it's looking at us in that window like you can see it but you know we can't imagine how it could see us because we've got the lights off but it's looking at us it's not taking its eyes off of us when we're not taking our eyes off of it and it squats down and it grabs the wild watermelon and then like one bite just devours

90% of this wild watermelon, then walks off towards the back of the house. We run out the back of the house, and since they had a beautiful screened-in patio, and again, it was the dark-tinted screen, and then she had like another patio in front of that with the pool, then ground pool, and we're standing inside the screened-in patio, and again, as this thing passes the back of the house along the fence line, the floodlights and the back the house goes off. And again, it's looking towards us, like, it can see us, and we're looking at it. And we're just, like, freaking out.

We, you know, like, our adrenaline is off the charts. And we're like, what is it? You know, what is it? You know, I'm thinking, now it's definitely a big thing. And I've seen the Patterson-Gibland film, you know, and my brother was a paranormal investigator and a parapsychologist. And I grew up around that stuff in my house, you know, and I mean, I knew. I said, yeah, it's definitely a big, but it gets to the,

back of our property and the dude's house was directly behind us he had a man-made lake and we used to actually swim in his lake because the water in his lake was cooling in the water in our pool so we would swim in the man-made lake and this creature squatted down and cuffed one hand and one hand it was drinking the water out of the lake a while the whole time never taken its eyes off of us and then it like heads off in a south-eastern direction, excuse me, towards the swamp. And it gets back in the swamp, and it starts screaming and stuff,

and just going crazy. And so now we can't get to sleep. You know, we bring the dogs back in the house where we're all amped up. Next day, we tell my sister, Marla, you know, we're going to believe what we've seen. We've seen, you know, skunk ape was right outside the window. And so we go around the side of the house, And there's the footprints.

You can see the footprint, and it's like an 18-inch print. It was like 18 inches long, and I think like eight or nine inches wide. And my brother looked like, okay, I'm going to come home from lunch from the restaurant. I'm going to stop at the hard restaurant. I'm going to stop at the hard restaurant. I'm going to stop at the pasture of Paris. And we're going to cast these because he wanted to put them on, like, make a right cast on the left case.

We wanted to put him on his bar as a, you know, a conversation piece, you know. And so we're waiting for my brother. run let him come home for lunch and I guess it was real busy that he never came home and then by the time he did get home at the end of you know around dinner time it was too late because the horse tours had gone through you know the stable the guy owned the stable had taken a couple of tours and they always went right past our house so they had trampled over the path and then you know just the kids in the neighborhood you know coming by to see us and going going back this we drove all over them with our dirt bikes and stuff so

So that didn't happen. We never got the cast. So that was like the first, or the second night, or really the first that we actually seen the creature that we knew that, you know, Bigfoot is real. It's not any BS, you know. This is the real deal. And again, growing up in New York and in the city,

I always thought that it was out in the Pacific Northwest, you know, northern California, Oregon, you know, Portland, Oregon, or Washington State, you know, I'm not down in the south, down in Florida, in the swamp of the Everglades, was the last place I ever expected to hear anything about a big flight, you know. And then we're, you know, a couple nights go by, and you can hear the things screaming in the woods in the swamps that night. It would just let out this blood-curling scream, man. It would just send shivers down your spine.

And then a couple of nights go by a week or so goes by, and we're all hanging out in the patio, and it's, I don't know, maybe 9 o'clock at night, 10 o'clock at night, we're hanging out. It was later than that. It was about 12, but his problem with it just got home,

and he brought home a couple of pies for us, a couple of pizzas, and we're all sitting out in the patio eating the pizzas. When we hear gunshots coming from our neighbor's house, like two blocks away, and this was the house with a guy who owned the horse stables lived, You know, and we knew his son.

And we would actually work at the stables, clean in the stables just to get some cash, you know what I mean, to produce stuff and buy, like, you know, beer and stuff like that, you know. And even though we were only 12 and 50, you know, we were from the city, you know, that's what we did. And, you know, so we would work the stables. So my brother-law says, why don't you guys jump on your bikes to go down and see what happened. So we jump on our bikes and we race down to see what happened. you know, we run into our friends. I forgot what his name was.

He was like, said, what happened? His father had just gotten a new, boy, I don't know if it was a stallion or a Mustang or what exactly what it was, from like Wyoming or Montana or something, but he couldn't keep it in the stable with the other horses because it wasn't broken. And if he tried to put it in the stable, it would kick and kick and kick and kick.

It just made all the horses in the stable, nervous wreck. So what he would do is leave it out in, you leave it out in the in the in the corral and he had this um i remember he had this seminal indian native american who would come by every day and try to break the horse well he had this horse in the corral and this is a wild a wild horse and what happened was this creature this nine foot tall thousand pound creature snuck up on this wild mustang and grabbed it from behind and it's high quarters she snatched this thing up and when he grabbed the horse, the horse kicked out.

And when the horse kicked out, the creature let go. And the horse jumped the corral and ran out into the pasture. Once he got to the pasture, you know, the sask the skunkake couldn't catch it. And by that point, the rancher was coming out and he was shooting at the skunk ape, and the skunk ape ran off into the swamp. So when they brought the horse back the next day, because they had to wait for the Native American to come the next day, to bring the horse back because no one could get close to this horse and it's so spook

they bring it back into the corral and the horse on his hindquarters had handprints like if I was to grab you by your forearm and just squeeze as hard as I can and it leaves that mark on your arm that's what this horse

had on its hind quarters not scratches like a claws but with fingerprints on its high quarters And I remember the sheriff being there and it was like, you know, what the hell happened to this, you know, horse? You know, and there was a lot of Saskatchewsk skunk-gap sightings that summer because of the fires in the Everglades. I think the fire between the lack of rain and the fires, it was driving the creatures closer inland. And us being right on the edge of it, we were the first one to see him.

So that was pretty exciting night, you know, the next day was pretty excited. chatting, checking out the horse and everything. And then a couple of nights go by, and my brother-in-law had some friends from New York fly down to Florida. And my cousin and I were babysitting her kids. And they had gone to Miami with these people from New York. And they were, you know, out all night. And around, I don't know, 1 o'clock in the morning, they get home around 1 o'clock in the

morning. And my brother-law has a beautiful brand-new Lincoln Continental Mark, whatever it was. four or five or whatever was back then. And it had a sunroof in it and everything was just gorgeous. And they get home and, you know, the dogs start barking if they're pulling to the driveway. If we open up the door, we let them in. And they're like, any excitement tonight? And we said, no, quiet night.

Nothing going on tonight. Everything's pretty quiet. And no sooner than we say that, that we heard, boom, first we hear this blood-curdling scream. It was horrible. didn't sound like the skunkake scream. It sounded like, I don't know if you ever heard a deer dying when they led up that high-pitched scream. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's what it's sound like, but like a thousand times louder.

And we're like, what the hell is that? And then we see shot going off up the street from us. There was a cattle rancher. And this dude had this big white bull with a hump in its back. This thing was a monster, okay? This bull was huge And he didn't play any games If he came close to that fence

That bull would come charging up to that fence To drive you away He was a very, very Mean, angry bull And I don't know what they call those bulls With the humps in their back But this thing was big Had it be like a 3,000 pound bull

Something like that And So we hear the scream We see the shotgun going off Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom a couple of shots. My sister runs into the house. My brother says,

get in the car. Let's go check it out. So I jump in the backseat. My cousin Anthony jumps in the front. I'm hanging out the moon roof of the Lincoln. And at that time, the sheriff's department had picked up patrols in the area because of all the skunk-cage sliding

to what happened to the guy with the horse. So the sheriff is going down one side of this giant square neighborhood. and the deputy is going down the other. And when we pull out of our road, we happen to be right behind the chief to deputy. And the sheriff is like all the way at the other end of the neighbor. He's like a mile away from us.

And we're heading towards this guy's house where we heard the shots go off. And as we're following the deputy, this creature runs out of the darkness. I guess it's running back towards the swamp. It runs out of the darkness. And the deputy hits it. Boom.

And the deputies got just stopped, like you hit a telephone pole. It just stopped dead in its track. Creature fell back onto, like, a school crossing sign or something and just flatten this sign, pancake it down. And it got back up, and it was, like, surreal. Like, time had just slowed down, okay? But Brumla hits it with the high beams, and it's getting back up, and it's getting back up, and it walks over to the deputy's car and it's limping.

And we can see the deputy just sitting there in shock and this thing looks down at the car and makes a fist with both hands and punches the hood of the car. Boom, and screams that deputy. Like, it's false. The back of the car comes off the ground and we're just sitting there in amazement.

Just mind-boggling. You can't even, you know, like I said, it's surreal. Time slows down. and it limps off into the swamp. At this point, the sheriff is coming down, and he sees the car and the shatters, and he pulls up and he says,

what happened, you know, and the deputy's explaining to him what happened. He's like, well, did you shoot it? And he's like, no, I didn't shoot it. He said, why didn't you shoot it? You know, you had the shotgun right beside you. Back then, they used to have a shotgun rack right in between both front seats, you know what I mean?

and he's like, why didn't you shoot it? And the deputy's like, you didn't see the size of this thing. The shot's got to do anything. So it was standing there and the sheriff is taking our statements because, you know, we're explaining, we're basically telling him the same thing that the deputy told the thing ran out of the dark. The car hit it and, you know, knocked it down. And he's, as he's taken our statement, because we're, you know, five feet behind the deputy's car,

the guy who owns the cattle rancher who owns the, bull comes up in his pickup truck and he says you got to come back to my farm you got to come back to my ranch you got to see what that creature did to my prize bull and I'm thinking what the hell could this creature have done to this bull because I used to jog that neighborhood every single day and this bull was a monster and every time I ran by this guy's property this bull would charge the fence and I couldn't imagine anything hurt and it's a bull. We get back so the sheriff takes off. I'll follow you back to your house.

We go around the deputy and we follow the sheriff back to the cattle ranch's house. As we get there, the sheriff is like got his spotlight on the side of his car and he's spanning the pasture. And there's the torso of this white bull bleeding out with no head on it. and then he finds the head, and the head is like 100 yards away at the other end of the pasture. This creature had ripped the head off of this prized bull. I mean, just the power that this thing must have had the strength, that this thing must have had to pull this bull's head off is mind-boggling, you know? Just mind-boggling.

I couldn't imagine anything hurting this bull because it was so big. and so then we went back to that. At that point, the sheriff called in like everybody under the sun. The county police came in and the stadies came in and they came in with horses and dogs and helicopters and they searched that swamp high and low all night long until the next day and they didn't find anything. Not a damn thing.

So day two goes by. I'm doing my jogging like I always do. And the town guys, the highway department, are putting up the new sign, you know. And I said, I said, yeah, you know, I'm telling them the story. And he goes, well, I don't know how this sign got flattened because these signs are supposed to withstand like 200-mile-nour wind from hurricanes. And he goes, and really, you know, if you would need to flatten this sign, you would have to run it over like a bulldozer or something. and I told them, I said, listen, man, I was there. I seen will flatten that sign.

So with the weight of this creature to just do that, you know, this guy is like, well, you know, I'm telling you, these things can take 200,000-hour winds, and that's they're made for hurricane, especially down here in Florida. And I was like, okay, you know, whatever you say. But I seen the thing that go down, and that sign just flattened like a piece of paper, you know. Yeah, that's, I mean, that is very, very interesting. And it's interesting to see the differences between how people react nowadays and how they reacted back in the 70s. Because I don't think, I think the concept of covering this up is somewhat new. I know back in the day, if that would have happened today, I think they'd probably tell you guys to shut your mouth. You guys didn't see anything.

Had your sister seen it before? It seemed like she was pretty well acquainted with the whole skunker. You know what, it's funny because when they first, moved into that development. She had her first, like, two years before she built the second, what they call the blue house in the back of the development. She actually had a house in the front of the development. It was called the greenhouse because it was green in color.

And when she lives up in the beginning of the development where you have to cross over the swamp, the canals to actually get to this development, it was like, there wasn't really, There wasn't really much action happening there. She didn't hear anything of, she didn't know of it until they built the other house in the back. And the back, the back of the property was really closer to the Everglades itself. You know what I mean? Maybe, you know, like a mile further away. And it just was more rural in the back than it was in the front.

There were more homes in the front. You know, there was more people. And it was still developing the development was still being under construction. So there wasn't a lot of homes in the back. It was still, she knew of it, but she didn't, she'd never seen it. But she had smelled the smell. She knew the smell. And I guess from just living in the development, you know, word of mouth got around and she knew what she was dealing with, you know.

But she had never seen it. Yeah. But she didn't have any action when they lived in the first house. in the front of the development. All the action she started getting was when they moved to the back of the development a couple of years later. And let me ask you, Al, and you do a great job at recounting this. And I think the whole story about the cop hitting it is interesting because I've had cops

on the show in the past. And I remember one specifically was down south. He had actually hit one of these creatures. And he only hit the thing doing like 20 miles an hour. I recently talked about it on just the last couple of times. shows. And it basically was like he hit a telephone pole. I mean, his airbag went off and Yeah, no, there weren't any airbag in those guards back then. But I'm telling you, when we, when we were cruising down that road, he was, we were cruising, we couldn't have been going more than 20

miles an hour because he was, he had his search light on, and he was actually scanning his light to, you know, his left towards the swamp, because on the right were more of the homes. And this creature ran out from where the homes were. So he didn't even see, you know, like he didn't have a chance to hit his brakes or anything. It just stepped out and he hit it, boom. And it was the creature that stopped that car, you know, and we jammed on our brakes. But he wasn't going fast. He was only going about 25 miles an hour tops, you know.

He was just barely moving because they were on patrol, you know. Yeah. And you're right. I don't want to come back to the of it killing a bull, but I wanted to ask you, was there anything specific that you remember any details about the creature that really stood out to you when you saw it on either occasion? Shoulders or shoulder blades had to be. I mean, it didn't taper down into a V shape or anything like that. It was, he was wider.

I don't want to say that wasn't that big. It is like last. Yeah, and it's interesting when you see a creature, I remember it's so interesting you say that. because a lot of times when you talk to witnesses, they'll zero in on one thing. And I know, like in my own encounter, I remember zeroing in on just how big the shoulders were. I mean, I just was in shock on how wide the thing was up top. I mean, it just, I'd never seen anything like that before. So I can definitely, I'm with you on when you see that how much it kind of freaks you out.

When it came up to the window and it was kind of glaring back at you guys, was there any details of the face that you remember? I realize, you know, I remember. eyes. I want to say they were red, but into its eyes, you know what I mean? Um, but it had like a, almost like a, it had that conical head, but it had like, like, almost like a face, like a gorilla. Like it had the canines, you know, and it, when it was screaming. And it was just so, arms were not only, were they longed my whole life. My cousin always worked out. I've always been into like martial arts and weight training and stuff like that my whole life. So, you know, I'm looking at, they go, of course, zone in on its face moment.

And then once I got pad, thought it to go down. It had no neck whatsoever, its shoulders, you know. And then I got to its shoulders. And, you know, being a dude who works out with weights, I'm looking at its pecks and everything, and I'm looking at its chest. And I'm like, this thing is humongous.

It's just humongous. It made time. It was the biggest weight lifter. It was massive. And I remember the red highlights. I don't know. I don't know, again, and I think the only reason I noticed them is because the floodlights were hitting it, you know what I mean? Because it was definitely a dark brown with red highlights. It had like red tint to it. And I keep saying highlights. I mean, it's in. And it was just massive. I don't even, I remember seeing it from the waist down. I don't remember seeing any genitalia. But, I mean, most of the time I spent looking at it was really from the waist. up, you know? I just remember glancing down

because, you know, I guess at some point in the back of my head, I must have said, look at its feet, it's a big point, you know? But I know I remember, I sized it up. It hard to judge it's high squatting. It was like everything. It was like that whole thing. But once it stood up and it started to walk past the fence line,

I was able to see, okay, I know that's that. I know for a fact. Because on the 4th of July, we had gone to like South Carolina, and filming candles around all the top of the fences, a long match to be about, you know what I mean? So I was barely got to climb up the fence to actually light them and stuff, you know,

and like this and shoulders above the fence. Yeah, and it's interesting, too, how you saw it as it was walking off and even getting water, how it never took its eyes off you guys. It never really... Never took its eyes off. Because I remember when it was looking at us, when, you know, we were in the bathtub in between the, to the bad stuff.

And my cousin said, we'll leave the light off so can't see us. And I'm thinking, yeah, leave the light off. The window is tinted anywhere. My dad, the window's tinted because, you know,

how hot it is out of Florida. She even had like a black screen in front of the window. And I'm saying this, no, because I remember when it was looking at us at one point, me and my cousin both ducked down

under the window, like, oh, man, this thing could see us, you know? Who could it see us? But we were so curious at it, you know? I was just absolutely terrified.

And I can imagine, I can imagine being terrified in that situation. The creature that the state patrolman hit or the deputy hit, was it the same creature you saw prior? And did you see any facial expressions? When it got up, I realized you were another car link behind it, or probably two or three car links behind. No, we were close behind that deputy's car. You know, I mean, those Lincoln's have long front ends and everything. Yeah. But I was hanging out of the moonroof, you know what I mean?

Oh, that's right. I watched it personally, you know, even though I would. Oh, I can imagine. Yeah, no, it had expression. Like, you know, when it was mad, it looked mad. It looked angry. But it nose and the nose came up. Didn't have, like, any hair under its nose or around its in.

You know, it's just, the hair was longer body than it was on its face, a short-haired dog kind of fur on its face, you know what I mean? or, you know, you know what I mean? It was a little arms and the legs and stuff than it was up higher. The higher it got, the shorter it got. I think it's interesting how, and going back to the farmer and the bull getting killed, I think it's interesting how primates, you know, we're primates too as well, but when we're talking about non-human primates like gorillas and chimps and, you know,

bonobos and everything else, a lot of people don't realize that, A lot of their emotions are very human, very human-like. A chimp can hold a grudge against you and be very aggressive towards you, and it can hold a grudge. And chimp, you know, and gorillas are the same way. A gorilla can hold a grudge and know exactly why it's holding their grudge against you. And you can see this as people have studied chimps and gorillas and their behaviors. You can watch a lot of old videos on YouTube. And you'd be surprised that they actually hold grudges.

And they had these very human-like emotions. Quality. Yeah, absolutely. And so it's interesting when the farmer was shooting at that creature, how it came back for revenge. It held a grudge and killed that bull. I mean, obviously you didn't see it coming up. I didn't see it, but. When the horse ranch was shot at it, his ranch, his horse ranch, his stable was on the other side of the development from.

the cattle rancher who had the bull. The cattle ranchers, his ranch was actually right up against the Everglades. You know, the other guy, the horse stable guy, he was on the other side of the development. He was a good half a mile away. I don't know if it was like hunting one of the cows or something and the bull came in to defend its territory and they had a fight or whatever.

I'm not really sure what happened there. I couldn't even guess what happened, you know. But that cattle rancher, the fence he had that went around his property was a four-foot, four-foot-high fence. And that bull stood above that fence, you know what I mean? That bull was at least, I would say, minimum five feet at the shoulders on all fours, you know? It was a big boy. And I get you what you're saying. It wasn't the same guy that was popping off shots.

It was a different guy. Yeah, I mean, they both shot at the creature. I mean, I want to say that the cattle rancher used a shotgun and the horse rancher used like a 30-30 lever action or something, because that's what it sounds like, boom, boom, boom, where the other one was just boom, boom, boom, you know. Yeah. Totally different guns.

Yeah, absolutely. But, you know, and you said it earlier, imagine the strength you'd have to be, you know, God knows how much that bull weighed, but to grab a bull, rip its head off, throw it in the pasture, and leave its dead body there. That's why I was warned people,

you know, sometimes people, they think I'm crazy, but that's why I always warn people when they go out and looking for these things, whether you're a researcher, investigator, when you go out and look for these things, these aren't toys to be played with.

You can end up just like that bull very quickly if you get on the wrong side of these things. And a lot of people, I don't know if that clicks. I don't know if that makes sense. You know, I think they see Harry and the Hendersons and they think, well, that's more of Sasquatch, but, and you know, and again, they're in, and I say that, I guess to say this, they're not all godless killing machines. I don't believe that for two seconds. But I think if you're on the working end of one of these Sasquatches, I think you're in trouble.

And I, and I, you better either have a, you know, very large caliber gun and know exactly where you're shooting or you better leave the area because things are going to go bad pretty quick. that is fascinating though that whole encounter of the summer and I was reading through that report and I'll include it underneath the show but even the investigator the investigator did a great job pulling up old reports of around that time of other people that had seen the creature yeah re I think what's her name re was amazing she did an amazing job and I think it really hit home with her because her father actually had a boat shop in the same town, Davy, Florida, but she lived in the next town over. I forgot the name of the town she lived in.

And her uncle was a police officer in the town to just to, like, she lived in the town just west of us. And her uncle was a police officer in the town just east of us, which is like New City. I think that the town was called, something like that. And so she had a lot of family there. So she remembered that summer. When we talked on the phone, she remembered she remembered, you know, seeing all the police reports and seeing, that was the crazy thing about, you know, all summer long. You would see articles in the newspaper about Sasquatches being seen on this road or that road by the state police or by the local sheriff and this, that, and the other thing. And the next day, when we got up, we jumped in the car and we drove to the store, you know, which is like five miles away the window.

close with Wind Dixby or whatever. And we bought every single paper there was thinking it was going to be all over the news and it was going to be newspaper reporters out there during it. Because they used to show it on the local news. You know, it would be out in the neighborhood saying, oh, what did you see? And for some reason or another, it was like it never happened. There was nothing mentioned about it in any of the newspapers. You didn't hear anything about it in any of the news shows on TV or on the radio.

it was like it never happened and for the life of me I could never figure that out. I was like man you know all summer long I'm watching all this stuff on the news about these skunk apes being seen all over South Florida and this is like the biggest thing and

and no one shows up and I don't know it didn't happen because the state was involved or or what you know but somebody put the kibosh on that and nobody ever came out and interviewed any of the neighbors, you know, the horse rancher was never interviewed, the cattle rancher was never interviewed. Nobody from the neighborhood was there.

It's just like it never happened. Yeah, and that's strange. That's really strange. Yes. I was looking forward to bringing all those newspaper articles to New York for me to give to my brother, you know, and it was nothing in him. I was like, it's mind-boggling. Yeah, that is mind-boggling.

One question I wanted to ask you, you know, if you didn't know the term, the skunk ape or Sasquatch or Bigfoot, and you were trying to explain to someone what you saw on those two different occasions. How would you describe to them what you saw? A giant gorilla that stood upright and walked on two legs. You know, it didn't have the big belly like the gorilla did, and it didn't walk on its knuckles. But it was a monster, man, like King Kong, you know. It looked like King Kong.

It was a monster. It really was. And I know, I've read a ton of stuff about the Florida Skunk Cape and everybody says they're actually smaller than the ones down to the Pacific Northwest and it's that the other thing. And I don't know how true that is, but I'll tell you, I know for a fact, the thing I seen was at minimum nine feet tall and unleashed anywhere. I would say just being conservative, 100 pounds.

per foot, 900 pounds, you know what I mean, with a monster. Yeah, and that's the thing. I know during that time in Florida, a lot of times people would say, well, you know, it was popular. Well, I think that was more of the 80s, but people were releasing primates out in the wild. And during that time where all these sightings were going on, people were saying, ah, they're just seeing known primates that have been released in the wild. But when you read the report of what someone saw, it doesn't sound like a known primate.

It doesn't sound right. Something about it doesn't sound right. And I do get reports of them being that large in Florida. It's not the only report. I would say when I say smaller, when I've said smaller on the show, generally down like Mississippi to East Texas, don't get me wrong. Seven to half, eight feet tall is a monster.

But generally that's the range you go into. Now if I get someone that says, well, it was nine or ten feet tall, You know, I mean, they can be. I don't see any reason why they couldn't get to be that big out there, especially in Florida. There's a lot of room to run around out there. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of food in the Everglades. And let me tell you a story.

There was a part of that Everglades. And the way the canal came in in the back where we used to hang out and run our bikes and stuff, the local kids called it a turnaround. And what they meant was like the tide would come in and turn around at the end because it was like a dead end and then go back. back out and it called it a turnaround and it was maybe a hundred feet of water a swamp it was swamp a hundred feet of swamp that you wouldn't the alligators wouldn't go in they just wouldn't go in it my friends would go swimming in it and it was like come on in you know i'm like what are you crazy

alligators in this water i'm not going so no the alligators don't come at this end they don't come down at the turnaround i'm like what are you talking about it's i'm seeing fish and and and frogs and turtles. There's tons of food in there. Why wouldn't they come in here? And the local kids, the local kids would use them as a swimming hole. They would be in there all day,

and I was like, you guys are out of your mind. I didn't come down in from New York to get me by an alligator. And I was actually fishing in there one day. Was that back there fishing with my cousin? We was just hanging out fishing one day, and we've seen an alligator floating in.

And it must have been just sunned himself on the top of the water because it looked like it was asleep. And it floated into the turn. And when this thing realized where it was, it couldn't get out of there fast enough. It looked like it was running on the wall, like above the top of the water to get out of this turnaround. And we, my cousins just looked at ourselves like, you know, this is the apex predator. What the hell is it scared of at this end of the swamp?

You know what I mean? That it wouldn't come in here. I mean, this thing looked like it was scared for its life. And it just blew my mind. one of my best friends at the time, he was one of the local guys. He was always swimming with the gators. This dude just was out of his mind.

He was swimming with the gators. He said, I don't worry, they don't bother. There's plenty of food in here. And he swore to me up and down. He says, I'm telling you,

the reason why they can't find this creature when it comes into the swamp is because this thing has got some kind of caverns or something in this swamp, and it's living in some kind of cavern. And once it gets into that water, they gets into these caverns.

No, the dogs can't track it in the water. And I told him, I said, man, you're out of your mind. So one day, he started looking for these caverns in the turnaround. He swore they were in a turnaround. And he's swimming in and out of these high cat tails and all this other stuff that's looking and looking and looking. And finally he finds some kind of underwater opening, some kind of cavern or something, and he swims in it.

And he told me, he said, listen, I found an entrance to something. and I'm going in it. If I'm not back in 10 minutes, jump on that dirt bike and go get my brothers. Because, you know, that means I'm in trouble. And I'm like, dude, don't go in. Don't, whatever it is, don't go in. It could be an alligator jet or whatever.

He swam in this thing. He said he swam in about 100 feet or so. And it was like it opened up to an underwater cavern. He said, and when it opened up, he said, when he popped up out of the water, he was under, Under where we drove our dirt bikes and took the horses out riding and everything. And he said it opened up to an underwater cavern. And there was other like cave like structures.

And he said the smell was unbelievable. It was burning his eyes. He couldn't stay there from more than like five minutes because he couldn't breathe and a stench. And his eyes were running. He comes swimming out. And he's flying. He's just off the charts. I found it.

I found that. You got to come with me. you got to come with me. And so I need you to witness this. And he's like bouncing off that. I'm like, slow it out, put on it on it. What would you find? Because I found the Skunkake's flare.

I found the Skunkake's flare. You got to come with me. You got to come with me. I'm not going there, man. I'm not going in the canal because the alligator is. You think I'm going to go into the Skunk Cape's house? Are you crazy? What happens if you go in there and the skunk ape is actually coming out and he sees you?

So what do you think he's going to do to you? going to pull you apart, rip you to shreds. It's like, what would your father do if you found some stranger in his house? He'd probably kill him. I said, what's the matter with you? These dude was like, he was so excited. I knew he wasn't bullshit me because he was just talking a mile

a minute and he was like, bounce him off the charts and I was like, listen, I'm not going in. I believe you. With all my heart, I believe you. I believe he's telling me the truth, but I'm not going in. And then he said to me, Esther, he realized there was no way he was going to talk. I really wanted tell he didn't want to he said al let's let's keep this between us you know and um to find out about it

so living i don't want i don't want to do the reason why they're dead you know they died they get killed and i was like yeah we'll keep it to ourself and and i didn't even tell my cousin about it he didn't tell his brother for like 30 30 something years and then you know i figured okay it's okay to talk about it this time because they had developed all of that land anyway They're all homes now in there. So they drained the swamp and they developed it up. So, you know, it's totally different now than it was, you know, 40 years ago. But he swears he found their lair.

He swears he found it and looking at his eyes and I see the excitement in him. I believe them. I absolutely believe them 100%. It's interesting. The whole thing's interesting that the allegories wouldn't go down to that part of the swamp. They would stay away from that part of the swamp. And that's just interesting to me that they would actually stay away from that part of the swamp.

But, you know, and that doesn't shock me a whole lot. There's many reports of these saying swimming, swimming underneath, especially in rivers and lakes, having them, people seeing them swim. And going underneath there, God, it would have been nice to go underneath there. And I think you're right, though. I think if the creature would have came out,

that would have been a game over at that point. Yeah, game over. It would have been no way we could have outswam that creature to get at it, especially since it was only like a, a tube kind of little tube opening to get in so it would have been one guy behind the other

the guy who would have been in the back would have been in trouble, you know what I mean? So I wasn't going in there. I was more afraid of getting caught up in the cattails and all the weeds and everything and drowning. You know what I mean? But I wouldn't just, I just

I said to my cousin when we were down there and we came down to Florida and get away from New York and we're going to get killed down here by a monster. You know, we came to we came to Florida to get killed by a monster. Yeah.

It was, you know. Yeah, it's an eye-opener when you come from the city and, you know, you hear people out in the country talk about this sort of thing. And everyone, like I would say, it's always fun in games until you run into one. And then when you actually see one, you realize you're not the biggest, baddest thing out there. But that is a fascinating story. I mean, the whole encounter is just, it fascinates me because there's so many different pieces to it. You know, from you guys to the farmer, to the rancher, to the rancher, to the, cops.

Yeah, and then, like, right after we left that summer, we left right after my birthday at the end of August to fly back from New York, right after we left that summer, like two weeks later, my, I talked to my sister. And she had said that my brother law, his best friend, this guy, Ralph, he owned a stable, not too far from where we were. And one night, a skunk ape came in and killed one of his ponies, and that he had put together like a posse, and they were going to go out and track this thing and kill it. And what they did was, I don't know, if they found a bloody footprint on like a plank, like maybe a 12-foot-long, 8-inch wide plank or something like that,

They found a bloody footprint, just one footprint on it, bleeding into the swamp after it killed this. But I don't know if it killed that pony for food, a food source. And then, you know, Ralph came out and interrupted it or what happened. But my sister said, yeah, like right after you guys left, Ralph's stables were attacked and one of its ponies were killed. And they, and, but, you know, back then in the 70s, if you didn't have a regular, you know,

camera on you, no one got a picture of it, you know, so no one was able to get a picture of it. No one had like cell phones with cameras on me. It was either like, you know, 35-volometer or, you know, 112 or something like that, you know what I mean? Yeah, and it's interesting, too, when the farmer guy was talking about how he had grabbed his horse and there was actually handmarks on the horse. And I know that Baron Cumbow, they have the show So, yeah, Bigfoot Outlaws. And they were talking about how these creatures will have sex with, you know, horses and cows. And I remember everyone kind of laughing at that.

And I remember behind the scenes, I'd actually talk to farmers that had actually seen that. Really? Yeah, there was two guys. One guy had sent me. It was the back of this huge bully he had. and he sent me the pictures the next day. He didn't take pictures of when the whole thing was going on. He actually was going out to shoot this thing.

But he had sent me pictures the next day, and it looked like two handprints. Like you had mentioned, if you grab your wrist really tight and hold it, how it takes a second for the, and you can kind of see where you put your hand on your own wrist. And that's what this looked like. It looked like too large, if he took my hand, time. times two, at least one and a half, that's what it looked like. And there was another guy who contacted me years back, and he said the same thing, except for they were doing it to his horses.

And I think he actually took a shot at it, if I remember right, he went out and shot out the creature. But there was two handprints of where it was actually holding the creature. And I don't know if it's damaging muscle tissue by when it grabs it like that. because he was like, man, there's, you know, the only proof I have is there's two huge handprints on the back of my horse, and I'm not the one doing it. And so it's just interesting when they, you get reports like that. And I know like when the outlaws were talking about it, it was kind of laughed at and smirked at. But I had heard that before from previous people who hadn't even been on the show.

I had actually heard that exact same thing that was going on with these creatures. It's just fascinating to hear that. And when you hear it over and over and over again, there has to be something to it. And I think you're right about the bull being killed. That bull probably just charged that creature and it grabbed it, ripped its head off, and that was that. Yeah, you must.

Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine, you know, like I said, this bull, I can't emphasize how big this bull was. It was huge, man. It was like the size of a minivan, you know. It was a big bull. and I can't imagine something like either sidestepping, grabbing in a headlock and twisting it, rip it that off. I mean, because I can't imagine this bull charged it

and its creature grabbed it by its horns to be able to stop that thing, you know what I mean? It's just mind-boggling. I can't wrap my mind-around it. I just can't. It is mind-boggling. I've seen bulls like that hit cars and actually lift up the front end of a car

with its horns as it hits the car. I mean, there's one you can watch on YouTube. And you're like, oh, my God, you know, I can't even imagine that power behind that. And I'm talking about lifting up a large SUV. And this bull had no problems doing it. It smashed the whole side of the car, stuck its horn in, and was lifting it up with its head. I can imagine how big the bull was. I got to have you back, though, Al.

I know you and your partner, you guys are partners in crime. You guys got the Bronx paranormal society. And I know you've started to research and investigate. and really look into Bigfoot, and there's other things that happened. But I'd like to have you guys back on the show. But for the listeners out there, if they go to Bronxville Paranormal Society.com, you can check out Al and what they're doing over there. And also they have a show called Beyond the Realm, a podcast out there.

So if you get a chance to check that out, I really enjoyed hearing the encounters. Thank you. Thank you, Wes. It was my pleasure, man, my honor to be on your show. I love you a show. I think you do a great job. And, you know, it's one of my favorite shows to listen to. And I'm just an honor to be on it. brutally honest.

I'm honored. I think you do a great job. I appreciate the kind words. The honor was mine having you on. Thank you again. Thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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