Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:298 The face was human like but bigger and wider

Episode Date: February 12, 2017

Tonight I will be welcoming two guests to the show. Mike writes: "Small mountain town outside of Tahlequah Oklahoma. Driving back from town like I had always done when all of the sudden I got a flat tire and forced my jeep up the road a mile and a quarter of a mile in on the entrance. I didn't want to walk back I didn't want to stop the jeep. I later created a lot of damage to the rim and tire. It wasn't but a few hours after that we were sitting in the back room. I do believe we were intentionally flattened because the damage was consistent with sidewall issue. A newer Goodyear tire that I had for several months. What I seen was a large man like creature looking at us from the back window of a trailer home my now ex resided with her family. It was large about 8-10 ft tall shoulders were at bare minimum of 3feet wide I wouldn't say it was bigger then that. The hair was a combination of yellow and grey matted type of fur at the base and long actual blond hair coming off of that. The face was human like, a bigger and wider version of a mans face however the major difference was the width of the mouth. The width of the mouth reminded me of a "cymbal monkey toy" from the movie toy Story 3. The lips were thin and reached were out cheeks would be at. That's the best I have to describe the mouth. Which was the feature that came to me as looking monkey like but mostly man-like. I noticed the lips would go from resting together to a wooing pucker and back. No noise or sounds. This thing had a wide and flattish nose with some freckles on either side of the bridge of the nose. Between the cheekbone and the bridge . Eyes were large almond shape and dark and with an occasional blink. I stared at it for about 15 seconds from inside the back bedroom and the window up until I convinced myself and my then girlfriend at the time, that I was seeing something that wasn't real or thought I somehow imagined what I had seen was manifested as a thought. It was a very odd feeling. It doesn't exist but it's right here. She began freaking out and wanted the window shut and locked and had me go throughout the house to check the window and doors and grabbing the shotgun from her parents closet. We locked up the house and went to bed." I will also be welcoming Remee to the show and she writes "Hi, I have a friend who follows Sasquatch chronicles and suggested I contact you with my encounter/sighting story. And after listening to other people's stories on podcast I feel more at ease in sharing my encounter/sighting as I'm used to people I tell just dismissing it and writing to off as nothing. The encounter/sighting was in the mid to late 90's while driving in northern Manitoba, Canada on a 2 lane highway surrounded by nothing but a sea of pine tree forest on both sides. It was late at night and I was sitting with my dad keeping him awake while we drove to visit family up north, when all of a sudden in the headlights there was a Sasquatch that came running upright out of the ditch and across the road right in front of us. It was a very quick and used its arms to almost propel itself out of the ditch and across the road. It only took the Sasquatch 2 strides to clear the road. And once it was on the other side of the road it stopped for a split second, standing upright and just stared right at me while we were still driving towards it. Then it ran down the ditch into the darkness still upright and was gone. However, I'm not sure where you sit with the belief of people having empathetic abilities but I have these and get gut feelings of other people, animals and nature's feelings and I just know things that I shouldn't sometimes. So in the instance when the Sasquatch stopped and stared at me I felt a great sadness, but like a loss or separation from another and a kind of lonely frantic ness almost like a driven search out of a panic. I also felt the Sasquatch's mentality was what we would equate to that of a late teen early adult years and that it was a highly intelligent male. I remember his eyes the most they were large and dark but had a soft sad/ driven/ frantic panic kind of feel. I really didn't feel he was any kind of threat or that he would want to be. He was very tall and had really long arms. It almost looked like a cross between a gorilla because of the arms and some of the facial features like the dark eyes and the flat wide nose and a brown/ grizzly bear because of the body being covered in a brown/black colour short hair and the butt being big like a bear, except the head had long hair. The Sasquatch was very muscular and had hands and feet like people but much larger and the skin looked thicker and like a grey colour. Honestly this Sasquatch to me was a beautiful being..."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was a horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. Going to be bringing two witnesses on. One was a roadside crossing in Canada. And the other one actually had to do with, It's kind of a transportation show tonight. The other one, a gentleman broke down.

Mike, he had a flat tire and ended up driving it all the way to his girlfriend's home when he saw the creature. But before we get into that, I figure we do a little bit of Bigfoot news. I got Woody here in studio with me. Woody, how are you tonight? Doing good brother. Doing good brother. Thanks again for having me. It's always a pleasure to stop by.

Sasquatch Chronicles and get to say hi to you and the fans out there. So thanks again. Yeah. And Woody's got the podcast, the Renegade podcast. A very cool show. I get to jump on there. What he puts up with me coming on his show. And we just talk about whatever.

So if you get a chance to check it out, it's an iTunes Stitcher. And I know we got to record. And we'll have to do another one. I know we've been putting it off. But what do you have for us regarding news? Well, some of the news and news that I have is I think people are going to find really interesting. So there's a city that's called Evergreen City, which is a city in a city. Alabama. And what they've done is they're calling it the Bigfoot Capitol. And they actually voted on

this and decided to change the name of it. And here's a clip. And covering Connecticut County, the city of Evergreen is adding a new title to its resume. It's already known as the colored green capital. Now it's Alabama's Bigfoot Capitol too. Yes, you heard me right. Bigfoot. You see, there's been numerous Sasquatch sightings in Evergreen lately. So many that officials invited researchers to investigate. After finding evidence of what some say is Bigfoot, the city council decided to make the most of it, and they voted unanimously to give Evergreen the new distinction. Sounds like a marketing play, if I ever heard one. Yeah, it's kind of funny. They actually voted on it, and they have this new distinction and a new name. So apparently there's been a lot

of Bigfoot sightings in the Evergreen, the city of Evergreen. So cool story, interesting, marketing play possibly it's marketing I think that they're trying to get tourists to come or something I mean that's my impression when I hear that it's more of uh hey come check out we're the bigfoot capital now you come check it out yeah and they and they even said in the on the news interview that they've had several researchers come and check things out so you know I don't know maybe there probably have you know there's there's bigfoot sightings everywhere but uh I think they have a different agenda in hand I'm not sure I don't know yeah and for people who missed Friday night show, I had Pam on. And Pam had a dog man encounter. I want to say it was like episode 33.

I'm sure there's listeners out that. It'll correct me on that if I'm wrong. And she actually saw these orbs. And you saw the video, Woody. And for the people that they're listening, it was, I know it's a Bigfoot show, but I had to have her back because the video that she shot that night was so interesting. And how she described it. Here's a clip from Friday Night's show. And that's when I saw. I wish I'd never seen. Man, again, like the dogman thing, I really didn't want to see that. I really never wanted to see a UFO or an orb.

But that's what I saw. I saw three reddish-orange light that were probably three-quarters of the way across the lake, and they were extremely distinct lights. Orbs. I don't know how else to say it. They were, one was really large. One slightly below it was medium size, and then there was a tiny little one that was just above the lake. Interesting video. Very interesting video. Interesting interview, too. I don't know what she captured, but she captured something flying around in that sky. What did you think of that video?

Honestly, I think it was definitely one of the better videos that I've seen as far as orbs go. So one of the things that impressed me about the video was the movement, the way they moved. And you and I talked a little bit about it the other night, but how they actually fly wide, kind of like a quarter, maybe, I don't know how to do it, silver dollar. They fly wide and then they turn skinny. I would call it skinny. And then they move left or right. So fascinating video, fascinating video.

Yeah, and that's one of the things she said. She said that it would stand upright. And that's what she's trying to say through the interview on Friday is it would stand upright. And if you watch a video, that's kind of what it does. But I'm almost kind of curious if anyone else out there saw that. You know, she's not far from, she probably won't be upset me saying this, but she's not far from Lepine. And you know her Lepine is. And that's where she captured it.

The lake that she's talking about. It was right there at the visit where you can check in. Yeah, yeah. I swam at that lake. Me too. Yeah. Me too. And so I thought it was interesting.

I realized it's a big foot show. But if for people out there, if they want to check it, out. Go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com and it was posted, I don't know, a couple days ago. And you can watch both videos that she took, that Pam took. I mean, interesting stuff. And I'm just happy she was willing to come on the air and share it. Yeah, I agree. That was a great story. And again, thank you, Pam. I got a lot out of that and I appreciate it. Another one from the blog is Witness Encounter's creature while on a snowmobile. And I found this to be a very interesting encounter. You know, since 2012, I have heard probably thousands of different encounters

from different people and spoke to a lot of different people. And the one thing I liked about this encounter was he was very detailed in telling the story. He described, you know, the hair, the fur, the way the, maybe fur is not the right word, but the hair and the way the light reflected off the hair and how it made him feel. And I felt like it was a very, I guess, genuine encounter? Yeah, was that Dax Rushlow? Yes, that'd be Dax Rushlow. I'm the one that put the blog up.

I should know. Yeah, I guess I should have said that, but I didn't. But it was awesome. And I felt like that there was no, like, smoke and mirrors. It wasn't like he was trying to tell a story to, you know, a fake story. It came genuine from the heart. And those are the type of encounters that you can really sit back and think about how it affected his life. And

Yeah. And I really appreciate it. It was a great encounter. You know what, here's the story. Let's go ahead and listen to the story. I'm Dax Rush Lowe. I'm originally from Newport, Vermont. I grew up there, most of my young life, I should say. So I have had two sightings. But the second one that I had, you know, now I kind of understand what the first one was because I was a lot younger. But my significant sighting was 1987 and I was 15. I was out, it was January. I was out on a snowmobile at a girlfriend's house.

So I remember leaving a little late. It was dark. I got on my snowmobile. I remember it was snowing. I decided not to take the snowmobile trail because it had been so much that the snow banks had built up and it was just going to be a pain to get up in there. I was like, screw it.

I'm just going back down the dirt road. It was covered with snow. So I started down the dirt road. There was a row of trees coming up. All of a sudden, my headlight picks up, like, a large object off to the left, just before the set of trees. And I didn't know what it was. I just knew usually it wasn't there.

There's nothing there. It's just a field, farm field. As I got a little closer, I started to notice it looked like a person, but like really kind of weird-looking person. You know, it looked like somebody on stilts with weird long arms, but big. And as I came closer, I stopped probably 15 feet away. I would estimate 15 feet away. It was at a diagonal because it was standing in the snowbank on the side of the road. Now, when I stopped, it was kind of looking straight across the road facing its body,

but its head was looking at me, but then it shifted just its body to, like, face my direction. And I'm sitting there on the snowmobile now down on the road, and it's up on a snowbank, and I'm looking at it, and I can see it, and I could see little bits of hair blowing. It either had dark black hair with gray hair in it, or it was wet and you could see it, or it was just shiny, and I would get pieces of it, as it would kind of just shipped a little bit and do stuff like that. You would see flashes of lighter hair.

I remember looking kind of more at the face. It had a look on its face like it, It was almost like confused or like agitated at something. Like it didn't look like it was coming at me. It just looked shocked. I remember the mouth was the most prominent part. It had very thick, squared, you know, kind of mouth area, but it had this white frothy stuff like built up in the corners of its mouth.

Oh, it was, I would say as big as a regular cap. but a person. Whatever it was that was standing there looked like a giant ugly Neanderthal-type human being. And I remember the feeling

just feeling like I got loaded up with cement or something. I couldn't I could move, everything slowed down, I'm staring at this thing and it's blinking. I could see the chest moving. and out, uh, looked like it had probably come a little ways across this field, which was, you know,

we had two, three feet of snow and stopped and just looked at me. And the one thing I think to this day is the only reason I got to see it was, I think it, it probably thought I was going to take the snowmobile trip, which I didn't. I cheated. You know, I was like, screw that. I went straight down the road, I think it was going to cross that road and I cut it off. I don't remember ever hitting that gas on that snowmobile or thinking, oh God, I got to go. I was just going and that was it, you know, and there was no thought process to the minute I saw it and we sat there for like 10 seconds or whatever and then when I hit the, I don't remember anything of that. I just remember oh my God, don't come down off the snowback. I never even took any. I never even took any. I, I never even

took any of the snowmobile trails home. I crossed set of railroad tracks, went down the main road, pulled into my driveway, and I usually used to park over in our, we had a big barn, like a, with no animals in it. You know, it's like a big storage barn. I used to open the door and pull it in there. I didn't even, I pulled up to the front porch of the house and shut the sled off, went in, and there was nobody there. And I remember going through and sitting and looking out the window and being happy, what he was there. Because I didn't want to have to talk to anybody. What it was. To me, that, that was a Sasquatch. That was my close encounter. That was a great encounter. And to hear the rest of it, go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com to hear the second encounter. Dax did a pretty good job. I'd never

heard his encounter before. That was very interesting. Amazing. Amazing encounter. Great encounter, especially being on a snow wheel. Yeah. At least he could get away. Yeah. I really like the details. Yeah, he did a great job. Well, next in the news. Uh, what, are you familiar with Henry May? Yeah, Henry May is a nice guy. Yeah, he is, he is a really good guy. Apparently, though, I feel like this is a setup. No, no setup, no setup.

Uh, apparently, though, there's, there's, uh, a little bit of a debacle or a, uh, I guess a discrepancy or, what do you say, West? Do you say, uh, big foots or big feet or big foot? As far as a plural, the plural definition as far as is it. Sasquatches or Sasquatch? What do you think it is? My answer to that would be who cares. Yeah. Who cares? I say Sasquatch. I don't say Bigfoot, but I mean, there's people in the show that say Bigfoot. I don't know. Seems kind of irrelevant. Well, it's not irrelevant. There is a definite controversy that's happening in the Bigfoot world. You know what? You're familiar with Henry May. Let's go ahead and let him clear this up for us.

Okay, I feel like I have to address this issue. There's a little bit of controversy going on my page right now. Referring to a post that I put up about the plurality of Bigfoot. I said it's Bigfoot's. I decided that that's my personal preference. But some apparently feel that it's really not personal preference. It's butchering the English language or it's essentially, I guess you could call it

you know they're English scholars and they say well we should you know I'm not directing this particularly any one person I mean but it seems like some people they just don't want to accept that

as a plurality form you know but there's nothing wrong with that plural form you can choose whatever plural form you wish you know, I choose Bigfoot's. I'm sorry, but I do. And if people have a problem with it, well, that sounds like a U problem to me, really. But I'm just, I don't want to turn this to turn into an argument, folks.

You know, I put up a post, I put up my opinion, it's my opinion strictly, and I wish it wouldn't turn into this big debate and this big, um, there you go, Steve Shaky Jr. your pick. Exactly. I don't speak English, I speak American. Yep. And listen, some people say big feet.

Okay? I know a few people who you still use big feet. Does that make them any more incorrect or correct or right or wrong? No. It's their personal preference. We're not in an English class and we're not all English scholars.

I'll just say that. We're not all in English class and we're not English scholars. I don't speak English, I speak American. You know I got a big foot show to do, right? I don't get time for this. Oh, man, he's a good sport. He's a good guy.

Henry, if you're out there and you're listening. Yeah, it wasn't good fun. It wasn't good fun. Brother, no harm meant by it. But I guess the real big question is, did it clear it up for you as far as what the plural correct? He doesn't speak. English. He speaks American. American. Speak American. Oh, Henry. No, I thought it was funny.

I'm glad to remit it out because I was busting up when the Looney Tins music came on. Oh, yeah. I was cracking up as well. I'm not sure if it's the hottest topic going in the Bigfoot world, but probably. Apparently there's some controversy brewing and thank you again, Henry, for clearing that up. And if we have any more questions, I think we'll contact you on that. But thanks again, no hard feelings. And it was all in good fun. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. What do you think for coming on doing the news?

I got to jump to my first guest. But thanks so much for coming on. A renegade podcast, check it out. iTunes, Stitcher. Look for the Cowboy. What do you think again? Yeah, man. Thanks again for having me.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I appreciate what are you doing the news. You can check out the daily blog, become a member, get additional shows. Well, let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Ramey to the show. Ramey, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. And if you would, you had a very interesting encounter. If you would kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what

you were out doing and then walk us right into what happened. Okay. Well, we were heading up north because I we had family up there out in like leaf rapids and just pretty much as far north as you can go and Thompson before you start reaching a point where there's like nothing no road anymore you have to be flowing in like Churchill so um this is manitoba canada by the way um we usually drove up there just to see the family and it was just one night where my mom went and laid down in the back and was sleeping because we had a big van that you were capable of sleeping in the back and my dad was driving and it was just like pitch black night

with brights on and that's about all you can see is what's in front of you. It would have been in the summertime though it wasn't in the winter because we don't really do winter driving it's too dangerous up there. And I was younger

I was probably like, I want to say maybe 8 to 12 or something in there but I was keeping my dad awake because he was driving and just like no reason or anything or was just all of a sudden I'll call it a creature for the time being, consider them more beings rather than creatures,

but the creature at the time, because I wasn't sure what it was at the time, just kind of propelled itself out of the ditch. Like it just, however, when it did that, it was more like with its arms, like it kind of came upright, but at the same time as like when it reached that point at the top, it just kind of like used its arms to push itself

and have momentum. But it was, I don't know, I want to say it, like across the two-lane highway went in like two strides. It was huge. It was massive creature. And it just, it looked to me like a gorilla.

But the, like the bottom half of it looked like a bear almost. I don't know really how much more to explain that. Like the arms of it were, I would say most of its body length, like they were really long, like, they were just equivalent more for me to what a gorilla has as arms.

And hair, wise, like, from what I remember seeing of it, it just, it had really long hair for its head, and then its arms had longer hair and its legs had longer hair, but the rest of its body had like a shorter hair. Like, it wasn't a really mangy-looking kind of animal. So I was like, okay. And it took me a while, because I had to, like, me and my dad were driving and I'm like, okay, something just went across the road, and it was massive. And it's just not a bear and not a gorilla, because I'm in the middle of a boreal forest. I don't want to be a big. gorilla and he's like no if it's fine it's it's not anything i'm like no no you can't tell me there's

there's nothing there was and i think for him it was just more like couldn't explain it don't want to deal with it don't want to touch it don't want to try and explain it to a child so he just kind of left at that but i mean before it like completely cleared the road it it stopped on the side just for like a split second and just turn and in that split second i hate saying empath because so many people people really disagree with it and I understand that. It's not an easy thing for people to understand. So I get it. But it felt to me like it was a young male and just really like panicky, frantic. Like it was just sad. Like to me, I felt so sad for it. Like I just had this really big wave of sadness and I didn't know where it came from. So I was like, okay, so it just, I don't know. It just felt so sad to me. And I was like, okay, there's something with this that's just

just sad and I know everybody like just from listening they've always had really angry encounters with them but this one I don't know for me I just feel like maybe I wasn't doing anything to it to start with and it wasn't concerned with me it was concerned with whatever its problem was at the time like that's what it felt like to me like I wasn't a concern so it's like after that it pretty much was just like gone because it's all pitch black around there so it just was like gone into the darkness again. And it wasn't really long that it took it to go across the world. So this was like pretty much a matter of like seconds, but when it stopped for that like brief moment, it like I pretty much saw most of it because it was still, it was in the range of the,

um, like the brights. Like that's where it had crossed. So like I did see it for that split second enough to know like it, for me had hair on its face and its skin was like a, a, It was almost like a gray kind of charcoaly color, and it looked thicker. It didn't look like a thin kind of skin. But I don't remember it having like any kind of, I don't want to call it wrinkles, but like any kind of, like it had a smooth face. I don't remember what you could see of his face was smoother. And I remember its eyes, like most of everything.

It was just had these really, really pronouncedly dark eyes. And they, to me, were just bigger eyes. Like they weren't small set. that's pretty much what we had happened. It wasn't a really long encounter at all. No, it doesn't sound like it. No, it isn't. It's a really short one. It's just, it, for that brief moment, stopped and just stared back and then it was just gone again.

But like I said, with the empathic ability, whether you believe it or not, I know some people won't, they'll fight it. It's something I accept. But to me, that's what it felt like I had no reason otherwise to feel those things. I have no reason to feel sad all of a sudden. And that's usually where you kind of get the feeling. It's kind of like the gut feeling with other people telling their stories of they felt really scared and fear they needed to get out. It's kind of like that. It's like that gut feeling that tells you.

Yeah. I don't think it's hard for us to understand that from a humanity standpoint. I mean, I've gone into animal shelters and I've seen dogs where I thought, well, that dog looks sad. That dog looks. And so I can understand you looking at this thing and feeling that. Let me ask you, when you were looking at it, did it look more human-like? Did it look more ape-like when you were looking at it? How would you, for someone who's never heard of Sasquatch, or say Bigfoot didn't exist,

the term Bigfoot or Sasquatch, how would you describe what you were looking at? I would describe it as more ape-like, but with like a human physique to it, for me, it's muscle tone. and its body structure was extremely muscular, but it had like the upright positioning of a human. It had muscular tones like a human. It was just more robust. And I mean, its head from as much as you could see because it was covered in hair was pretty much like

it would be shaped like a person's from what you could tell. But the facial features I found were more ape-like almost. Like they were more pronounced, more rough. But the skin was not like really rough. smooth looking, but the features were rough looking, like they were more pronounced, robust kind of features. Yeah, and I posted a picture of

what you had sent me regarding the encounter to the blog. Did you draw that picture? I did. Wow, that was a good job in that picture. I wish I had that type of artistic ability to be able to draw that. That was probably one of the coolest drawings I've ever seen. I didn't know

if you had actually had drawn that or you had asked someone to draw that. What was the conversation? Go ahead, Rameh. Oh, no, sorry. I was just going to say I had draw on it because when I talked to my friend Eugene, I think he's one of your members, I was telling him, I'm like, I've seen this because I just found out one day that he liked them. And I'm like, oh, well, I've seen one before. And he was like, really?

And he had all these questions. So I'm like, okay, I'll answer your questions. But I was just sitting one day and I'm like, I'm thinking, okay, I've seen it and I can explain it to you. But it wouldn't it be so much easier if I just drew it and showed it to you? Like, that just made more sense to me. Yeah, and you did a great job with it. I thought you did an excellent job with the artwork. Again, I wish I had that type of ability to where I could draw like you do. What was the conversation with your dad like afterwards? Have you sat down with them and talked about that night? You guys were out for the drive and coming across this thing. No, we just never, it never came back up and it was only the two of us. And he now, I've asked him, but he's starting to into dementia a little bit. So he's not. as he's not, he doesn't remember stuff as well as he should.

Yeah, and he just, I don't know, I just find that he won't talk about it. And we just didn't after that. We just left it because he kept claiming it was a bear witch. It is not, I've had up close with black bears and I've had up close with, like, brown bears. And I've seen them. They're not. And it's not a grizzly bear. I mean, I've seen all those things.

You go to the zoo, you see grizzly bears. But, like, this is not that. It was a mixture between, like, a bear and a gorilla. It was both. It just wasn't one thing. So I've never really sat down and talked with him about it. Yeah. I did, however, just as of recently, I just told my friend that I've had for like, oh, my God, she's so like maybe almost 30 years that she's been my friend.

I'm like, I don't think I've ever mentioned it to you because it just never came up. But I'm like, I've seen Sasquatch. She's like, oh, she's like, it's kind of funny that you say that because she works with a girl and her dad used to be a conservation officer up north. and he knows they're real. He's seen them and he believes them to be a intradimensional creature. So I was like, oh, well, that's interesting. Like, I just, I didn't know anyone else around here really had seen them.

Yeah, they're actually, it's very common in Canada, too, for people to talk about them. Canada reminds me a lot of the, I guess it depends on where in Canada. Canada's a big country. But it reminds me a lot of the Pacific Northwest when I talk to people from Canada seems to be people are a little bit more open about it than you would say, let's say here in the United States, if you go off to the East Coast, you'll be shun talking about it. But here in the Pacific Northwest, people are a little bit more open to talk about it.

And that's one thing I like about Canada is the Canadians. They are, for the most part, more open to talk about it. I wanted to ask you, when you saw this creature, what kind of a size are we talking about? I realize you're eight, nine years old at the time, but let's say compared to your dad, what kind of a size difference are we talking about? If I had to put it in a range just from what I remember, it's standing upright because when it crossed the road, it was like just for coming out of like a hunched over position because it used its arms to propel itself across. So it wasn't fully upright running across.

It was kind of like bent over almost. But when it stood upright, I would want to say maybe in the range of like seven or eight feet tall, if I had to guess. It would probably be about that. Not like a 12 or like 10 foot kind of thing. But like I said, I felt just from it that it would have been a younger creature. Like if I would have had to give it an age as a human, I probably would have said like late teens or early adult age, like maybe like an 18, 19 kind of age grouping if I had to just from what I was getting a feeling from it. So imagine it wouldn't be a full grown, full sized. maybe it could get bigger, I don't know.

Yeah, and it's interesting, too. I love witness perceptions on things. You know, it's a nice when people run into these things. They think they're going to be killed. Some people do have aggressive encounters, but I've had other people on that it wasn't really aggressive encounter. They see the creature, and it seems like it's a relatively peaceful encounter.

So, I mean, and those do happen. I wanted to ask you, what do you think that these creatures are? Actually, it's funny because I spent most of last night making my own theories to discover that they're already existent theories because I used to be an anthropology student once upon a time. And I had a book of all the hominids and all the evolutionary levels of what they've been able to claim. And for a while, I actually thought they were like a descendant, like a yes, it depends what way you want to go with it. Everybody's kind of got like a descendant of like robustus at one point is kind of what I thought. And then I kind of looked at the robustness and based on what I remember seeing and the face structure robustness, I just found like the cheekbones on it, the zygomatic arches on it were just like way too pronounced. Like it was just too big.

Mind you, the one that I saw had a lot of hair on it. So I was just kind of trying to like make my own theories as to what it could have been. Like I know it was a Sasquatch. That I do know. But for me, I think a Sasquatch or Bigfoot, whatever you want to go about calling it, would be. more of like human descendant line that just they thought went extinct but just

disappeared and crossed a land bridge when we had them and then it just ended up here. So I had the one theory going but then there was also the giant epithicus theory so I was like okay I kind of looked at that one a little bit too but that's more along the lines of what I'm

thinking they are just based on the fact that they're so to look at them they're human-like Like they have the structure of a human body-wise, but they're just so much larger and robust. Yeah, I just figured that that was kind of the thing because some of those apes that branched off, there were some that were bigger that just went extinct, and then there were some that were smaller, but that was millions of years ago. So, I mean, they would have evolved to grow into bigger beings,

and there's nothing to say that it wouldn't be a much taller creature later on in its evolutionary period. So I was just kind of looking at those things. But I think that's probably more along the lines of what they are. Yeah, and it's an interesting take. And that's why I always enjoy asking eyewitnesses what they think it is, because, you know, at the end of the day, no one has one in their garage or studying. So there's really no wrong answer on what these things are. It's interesting, though.

I'm always interested in roadside crossings because it would make more sense for a wild animal, especially because when we think of Sasquatch we think of them being on a higher intellect level than let's say a deer or let's say a bear even a bear is smarter than a deer but for them to cross in front of a car

you hear about all these things that Sasquatch does you know how they're able to out smart trail cams they're able to outwit most humans but then you hear an encounter like yours and I've heard a million of them but while I say a million

loosely, but you know what I mean. But you hear an encounter like that, and it's like, well, why wouldn't it just wait for the car to pass and then cross the road? Why wait to the last minute? Pull yourself out of a ditch. Take two steps and then wait on the edge of the road as a car goes by for such an intelligent animal or person or whatever people want to label them. For an intelligent being, let's say for the sake of argument. For an intelligent being, why not wait until the car passes by? You know they've seen cars before.

Yeah. Probably wasn't. Yeah. I mean, what's your take on that? Just your own personal opinion. Well, the thing with up here that I did think personally was that there's not a lot of people that pass through there. Like when you drive on the road, you barely run across people. You just don't.

So, I mean, there's not a great population up there. Like the majority of the population is located further down south towards the border between Canada and the U.S. And where I'm talking is way up north, and it's literally just like pine trees. There's nothing but pine trees. That's all you can see driving on the road. So, I mean, I'm just assuming, just from thinking about it logically, that they probably don't see a lot of people. And they don't have the contact with the people. So, I mean, a car going by, whatever.

I mean, they probably just don't really even think twice about it. They just go. Because, I mean, if you're not used to them going by all the time and they're not always there, I don't even know, like, really how often they would see, because, like I said, the car's barely ever pass because nobody really drives the road. I mean, I guess whoever's going between up north and further down, but it's not a well-driven road, I would say. It's a highway, but, you know, unless you have a reason to be going up there, you're not going to be. Like, it's not, like, the ton of trees that we have and the kind of forest that we have, it's not one where, like, you go hunting. Because if you start hunting in there and you don't know your way around, you're just.

just going to get lost really bad and it's just like endless trees for miles and they don't stop. So you really need to know where you're going and I mean all the communities up there, there's not a lot of them and if there are, they're not highly populated. And most of those people, if they're hunting, they probably hunt just around where they are. They have an area they hunt. They don't like go all the way out. So I mean this creature in and of itself, it doesn't have competition up there. So I don't think they get like they don't come out a lot. So I think that, that one in particular that I saw was just more, like, it was just frantic and trying to get a crossroad. I don't think it really thought anything of anything around it, like a car coming at it,

because, again, they don't go up there that often. It's not a highly driven road. So that's what I think. It just kind of went, like it was more concerned with whatever it had going at the time rather than what was coming at it. Yeah, and that makes sense. That makes sense. It still fascinates me, though, you know, that they would still try and cross-er- road when they could wait two seconds, car goes by, and then they can cross a road. You know, you see a lot of deer do that. They'll cross right in front of you. I hate that here on the back countries or back roads here in the Pacific Northwest. One thing you had to worry about is deer because they'll dart in front of you and they'll

wreck your car. But when you think of Sasquatch, you just think of them on a different level intellectually to where they wouldn't be so quick to. darn in front of a car like that and hope for the best. But you hear them do that all the time. And it always blows me away, especially roadside crossings, that, you know, if they would have just waited two seconds later, cross the road, no one would have ever seen them.

That's true. Yeah. Maybe they just aren't worried about what's coming at them. Maybe they have enough confidence that it's not something that they couldn't take on if they needed to, or maybe they just, they know the timing that it takes for them to get across, that it doesn't, they're not going to get hit or they're not going to, like, run into it at all. I imagine they probably know their timing pretty well to get across the road how long it takes them. I don't think, I don't know. For me, that would be something else I would think,

because maybe they just don't, they aren't concerned with things around them necessarily in that way. Yeah, it's still interesting, especially roadside crossings. I think that is the encounter most people want. You know, they don't want to run into them when they're hiking and be 15, 20 feet away from one. Most hunters don't want to run into them. And there's something about being in a car. being able to keep driving. Yeah. You know, put your foot down on the gas and keep going when you actually see one of these things. And, you know, I just appreciate you coming on and sharing the encounter.

It's a very interesting encounter. I love roadside crossing type encounters. And, you know, you giving your input on the feelings of the creature and all that other stuff, you know, that's really where most people get their information. That's where you really gather so much information is. As you may have heard on the show, Ramay, is I always ask people what their perception of what was going on in that moment. And it gives you a lot of insight. It gives you a lot of insight to ask someone what they think was going on or what was going on with the creature.

And I just can't think enough for coming on and sharing it. Well, thank you very much for having me. Thanks, Ramay. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Mike. Mike, welcome to the show. Thanks for being here tonight. Thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, no, I appreciate you being here and taking the time to share your encounter.

If you would, for the audience, maybe start from the beginning. Let's talk about what you were out doing. And then if you would, just kind of walk us into your first encounter. Well, this was the spring of 2013. I had just relocated from Chicago, Illinois, down to Springdale, Arkansas. And I had met a girl online who resided in Telequa, Oklahoma. right over the border there. We had been seeing each other for a couple months.

This particular night, we had went to go see one of her friends in a small town called Lost City. I believe that's somewhere on the northwest side of Telekla. And I've got to tell you, it's beautiful. It's nothing like Chicago. It's completely different than what I had ever seen and experienced. wonderful culture, a lot of Native Americans and things like that. At any rate, we were in Los City and we were making our way back through Teluguay and into a small town called Keys. And it's about, say, a good hour drive from Teliqua into Keys, Oklahoma, it's on the one side of a mountain.

It's long roads to get there. Paved roads, of course, but there's no lights on any of the roads. It's just your headlights and the moonlight. This particular time, everything was fine. There was nothing out of the ordinary. We had left Lost City, and we had just begun making our way through Telequa and into Keys. We came across a turn, and something didn't seem right. car had bounced and I was unsure of what had happened.

We were out in the country and we were surrounded by trees and I began to hear the tire, which I thought was the rear tire at the time on my Jeep Wrangler, but in fact it was the front tire, driver's side. There was a sound to it that just didn't seem right. It sounded like a flat tire. I could start to smell the rubber. And I knew that we were right up the street from the home. So she was begging me not to stop with the Jeep because if we ended up stopping it,

there's a chance that we couldn't get it out. It'd get stuck. We'd end up having to walk the rest of the way. And without there being any streetlights out that way, and the nearest neighbor is who knows how long, I ended up biting down and just driving. I knew I was going to damage the rim on the car. and on the Jeep there and I was going to damage my brand new tire.

The tires were probably only a couple months old. Anyhow, we ended up making it up the road, making the left-hand turn into her little subdivision neighborhood or whatnot. I wouldn't call it a subdivision. But anyhow, we ended up parked in the Jeep there. I looked at it, and I thought it was going to be more damage than just the wheel.

It turns out it was the rim and the wheel. And so I ended up letting her know that we were going to end up switching that out tomorrow early in the morning. So that was no biggie because I had a spare, but I wasn't going to perform the work. So we ended up going inside the home. I'd say it was about maybe a half hour or so, 45 minutes. We were sitting in the back bedroom of this trailer home. The window was open. It was a nice night.

We got nice cool air. we like to open up the windows to get that fresh air a nice breeze to come through. Beautiful night, spring. I could see the moonlight was glistening off the top of the trees creating one of the most beautiful sites that I've ever seen in my life. It was fascinating.

So we're sitting there talking and she had told me that she felt a little uneasy. She had thought that she had seen something or heard something out that fact window. And, you know, I told her, well, there's really nothing out here. You know, maybe you heard an animal or something. And so I thought I'd tell her I'd go and check it out. So I walked up to the window and I looked out. my eyes are trying to get adjusted to what I was trying to look out outside because it was bright inside and it was dark outside.

And I was able to see something and my eyes are starting to focus on something that was approximately 20 feet away. So I started making out a shape at first and, you know, it just, it just wasn't right because, What I was seeing, a depiction of a man who is very big, a very large, very big man. It was standing there looking in at me. I wasn't afraid because I didn't know what the hell I was looking at. I guess I was in shock, more in awe. I was taking in what I was seeing. I didn't feel like, I don't even know what I felt.

I just knew that what I was seeing was a once in a lifetime experience, and it just kind of threw me back. I was staring at it for about 15 seconds. It just reminded me of just a Neanderthal or some sort of a caveman or some weird-looking man or something. And I'm curious, Mike, can you describe for the audience what you were looking at beyond a Neanderthal? What was it about its appearance that threw you off that made you stop and go, okay, that's not a person? Well, first of all, the trailer home sits up about, I'd say at the window, it sits up about, I'd say a good 12, 15 feet, something like that.

and it was eye level with the middle of the window, unless somebody had, you know, so happened to have a ladder or something, and they were peeping in, but like I said, she doesn't really have neighbors. It was just a very awkward moment. What I was staring at was a large ape-like man who had a huge head,

probably stood about 8 to 10 feet tall, I would say, around that. The shoulders were wide about maybe 3 feet. I wouldn't say it was more than 3 feet. I'd say it was just pretty close to that. It had a human face. It had a... So if I'd describe it from the head down to the shoulders,

which is all that I've seen. And with the head, it was a massive head. a very strong jaw. It had what I would consider to look like a five o'clock shadow and darker, darker hair on the face.

And it was, the hair around it was like a white or a yellow matted type of fur that had blonde hair coming off of that fur. It was long. It was long. I'd say about a couple inches at least, for sure.

The skin color of this creature was almost like a gray, maybe like a gray or something along those lines. It had a brow above its eye, both eyes, you know, like a kind of with respect, you know, like a Down syndrome type of look in that sense. I know that's a poor example to do. describe it, but if I don't have anything to describe. The eyes were inset.

They were almond-shaped and dark. The nose was very peculiar to me because it was like a man's nose, but it was flat on the bridge about, I'd say, three inches wide at least at the bridge. And at the base of the nose, I'd say it was about four inches. it just looked like a big flat nose that was wide. What struck me as ape-like to this deal was the hair that it had all over its body. And the lips, the lips is what I ended up focusing on in that time. I looked down from where I was trying to see what the hell I was looking at,

and I saw its lips go. It was, the lips had moved. to like a pucker, as if you would blow someone a kiss kind of look. And then when it went back to its resting stage, it wasn't underneath its nose. Like a normal person would be it, its lips were huge. It was what were wide. And it reminded me of the simple monkey toy off of Toy Story 3, were that the monkey had wide, thin lips that went from cheek to cheek.

Like I said, it had a very strong jaw. It didn't make any sound. I didn't smell any kind of an odor. It's neck. It had a neck, but the neck was, it was like a very thick shoulders, maybe like the trapezoids were just massive. and it just blended in. I ended up taking a look over to the right

to which would it be the left shoulder of this thing, which would have been my right. And what I saw around was approximately 11 of them, at least more than 9, 10, 11. I saw a couple of them in the trees, and they too had white-colored fur or like a yellow type of color to them. I couldn't see any features on them.

I just knew that some were big, some were small. Some of them were sitting on the trees. Some of them were climbing down from the trees and walking to the back of the creek bed. It was like a big team of them. And at that point, I'd say my 15 seconds were up. I was taking everything in that I knew what I was looking at. I ended up closing the window and closing the blinds.

And I told her my ex-girlfriend, my girlfriend at the time, that there was large men that were outside. She had asked me not to talk about that. I guess the people in Cherokee County are superstitious to the Bigfoot phenomena. and it's mostly comprised of, I would say, Native Americans and different people of cultures in relations to that. So it was not to be talked about, but I didn't say that it was a big foot. I just knew what I was seeing is what they call a big foot. Coming from Chicago, I was never exposed to anything like that.

I never, it's not something that we talk about. It's not in our language. It's not part of our culture. It's not something that is mainstream. What I saw that that night was something that changed my life. And I just, it wasn't a terrifying experience. It was just a very awkward and unsettling feeling, knowing that I almost feel like I've been lied to all my life. I knew what I saw and it just doesn't make sense on what the big secret is.

Why is it not being disclosed? Nobody could convince me otherwise what I seen that night was not a tall man. Did it worry you at all? I mean, here you got this thing 20 feet away from the window and you're seeing a bunch of other ones. I just, I mean, what was going through your mind at the time? I don't know that I could shut the window and just called the night at that point. think I would have been, who knows what I would have done in that situation? I wasn't there, but I just think I would have been tripping out over it.

You know, I didn't feel ecstatic. It was something that I never prepared myself for, so I didn't have a first response to what I was seeing. I think I was in a state of shock. I think what was going on was I was trying to rationalize what I was seeing with what I was always told what my reality was. And my reality was, was that, you know, if it ain't in a zoo, it doesn't exist. Right, right. Right.

So that was my reality. Yeah. And I wasn't terrified. I was worried after the fact when I realized that there was so many of them. and we lived out in the country. At least my girlfriend did, and I was there with her, and it was just her and I there at that trailer home, and I had a flat tire.

I could not leave. Throughout the night, I felt as if I just wanted to get in the Jeep and just travel down, but it had been an easy hour from Keys, Oklahoma, to Springdale, Arkansas to where I live, and I couldn't do that on the tire. That was bad. I would need to take the time to switch it out.

I didn't have the tools to do it. I felt stuck. I felt like I was trapped or like this was somehow planned. I just feel like in some weird way, my tire blowing out a mile down from the house and then experiencing these things that I never knew existed. I didn't care enough of the subject to look into it. It wasn't something that interested me. At that point, she had told me that her stepfather and her mother kept a shotgun in the closet of the one bedroom up in the front.

And I went to go grab it. And sure enough, it wasn't a shotgun. They call it a snake charmer. I guess it was some sort of a small, measly little. thing and I knew that wasn't going to do anything. But we ended up, she had me check the windows, check the doors. I had stayed up many, many, many hours that night and somehow I fell asleep and woke up the next morning.

When I went to bring it up to her to talk about it, she did not want to talk about it. It was as if she was shutting down, as if she didn't want to believe it, but she didn't even want to hear it. I could just see the anxiety start to build with. with that, me understanding that this is her home, this is where she lives. She doesn't have anywhere else to go. I wasn't going to press that. And, you know, she was a wonderful girlfriend to me at the time.

And that's not something that I would ever want to joke around with her about. I never shared it with her family. I never shared it with anyone else. It was an experience that her and I had had. I kept quiet about it. I didn't want to be ridiculed. there's a lot of people out there with opinions and they always come out, you know, with these questions and they expect you to have answers. But I can only give my account and leave it at that.

No, you're right. And, you know, it is one of those things to where I can imagine just trying to, you know, I've had my own encounters. Like, I understand the time it takes to process something like that. You know, you do kind of go into that freak out mode. It's like I had a hunter on about two weeks ago, and I think it was on Friday's show, and he was going in, and he stumbled in. He was hunting turkey, and he stumbled in, and he came right up on top of one of these creatures, and he startled it. The creature actually jumped up, and he's actually looking up at its face, and then it takes off running.

What was interesting is he got it back up on his feet and started walking in the direction of where he just saw this creature. Now, a normal person, or not a normal person, normally you would think you would run the opposite direction. But sometimes we get in these weird situations, and it's hard to know exactly what you would do in that situation. Do you think her family and your ex-girlfriend, do you think she knew more than what she was saying? In my opinion, I think that because she was born in Oklahoma, I think that at some point or another, this topic would have been, brought up. Maybe it was brought up as folklore. Maybe it was brought up as just some sort of tradition or myth or tale. But I do believe that they had known of the subject, they had known of the topic, or were at least exposed to it to some sort of a degree. I got to tell you, if it never been out to Oklahoma or western, western Arkansas, there's a

a lot of things called Bigfoot, like Bigfoot Trail, Bigfoot Den. There's, I mean, everything, there's a Bigfoot in and a Bigfoot hotel. I started putting the pieces together and for there to be so much hype about something that doesn't exist, you know, it kind of, I got to scratch my head on that because it doesn't make sense now knowing that it does exist. And that there's reasons that there's areas within the towns surrounding this that they call, you know, Bigfoot this and that. There's reasons for all that. Absolutely.

And so what do you think the creatures did that night? Think they just passed through and left? Looking back on it, it reminded me of, and this sounds kind of silly, but it reminded me of a large ape looking into a dollhouse, which it was, it looked like it was in like it was in awe or it was amazed or it was so there was a feeling of not that it was going to eat us the feeling was that it was it was looking at something that it's either it's never seen or it really liked or something the way that it moved its lips were just so odd I couldn't tell you if it was a male or if it was a female it I would assume it was a male because it had a very

strong jaw and it had like a shadow, you know, like a five o'clock shadow. But I don't know what the intentions were. I know that they were moving while the one was in front of the window, I could barely, barely make out what was going on with the other ones, but I can see them moving towards the creek. There's a large creek that goes into a lake called Lake Tenkiller, which I don't know what the significance of the name is, but they go through. to that creek. They were going to that creek. When I had shut the window and the blinds and locked it, I was unnerved.

I just felt that maybe there was something wrong with me. And maybe I needed to go and get myself looked at or something because what I seen wasn't supposed to be real. It wasn't supposed to ever exist. It doesn't exist. And at least in Chicago, it didn't exist. exist. Apparently down in Oklahoma and Arkansas, they talk about the stuff like it's candy in a candy store. But until you have an experience that changes your life, my life has changed

profoundly because I know what I know. I mean, that would be as if you knew something to be absolutely positively certain that you knew it to be true, in fact, in somebody trying to convince you otherwise. It's just not going to happen. It was absolutely there. It was real. And they ended up migrating towards that creek in the back. Did you go out the next morning, look for tracks or anything, or go over to the area where you saw the creatures and just take a look around or where you just wanted to get your je? So the way that that home is set up, it's set up on a hill. So it's got like an uneven, like an uneven land in the back, I would say.

It's very rocky. They never cut the grass back there. The grass was probably, I'd say, up to my shoulders. I'm just not the country kind of guy to be walking around tall grass with snakes and what have you. That's just not my thing. I'm not a city flicker either, but I'm not stupid. I'm not going to be walking through that grass. But I did, during the morning, I ended up.

rolling down the back window off the, there's a door. You couldn't walk out that door because the porch was made out of old wood. It was dilapitating. But anyhow, I opened up the window on there, and I was looking down to see if I could see any kind of inference or anything like that. And I just, I didn't see anything. I saw, you know, I mean, they burned their garbage, I suppose, in the back, I've seen that, but it was very hard to see because the grass is so high.

And, you know, I know that they've got snakes out there. I've seen, I'm not, you know, one of the things that I don't like is snakes. I mean, you know, you're not going to catch me messing around in areas that I am supposed to be at. But, no, I didn't see any tracks there. Yeah, it's an interesting encounter. And the image that he sent me, I'll try and put it up on the website of what you actually saw with this creature. And the image that you sent me looks very human-like. It does remind me of a Neanderthal. I think you got it from a YouTube thing, but it does what if people picture in their

head as a Neanderthal, that's close to what you saw and you do a great job at describing it. How many years later were you out hiking and you had the vocalization? I ended up, it was only a couple, I'd say a couple weeks or so after that experience in 2013, that, you know, the distance that we live from one another, the hour drive and hour back, you know, it took a toll, and we ended up splitting that relationship off. I continued residing in Springdale, Arkansas, northwest Arkansas, and where I ended up meeting my wife. I resided in Springdale for about another seven months or so, and we moved back up north to Chicago where I've got my relatives. We don't exactly live in the city of Chicago.

so it's not, most people think Chicago is like big city and so forth, but there's country out there and there's a lot of it. I reside in the northern portion of Illinois on the Wisconsin border, southern Wisconsin. And it was just recently, I would say October of 2016, my wife, myself and our two children, we were walking down on a trail. I assumed everything was fine. In fact, you know, the Bigfoot was the last thing on my mind because, I mean, we're up here in Northern Illinois,

and, you know, you can typically hear about things going on in Louisiana or, you know, the Pacific Northwest or my encounter down in Oklahoma. But there's no mountains out in my area. So I just, I didn't think that I would ever come across these suckers or this thing or whatever it was. But it scared the heck out of us. It was fall of 2016 and just a couple months back, so it's fresh in my mind. We were walking down the trails.

We went up, I think they call them Caymans or whatnot. You know, you go up and down on these hills and you go through, you know, a big forest. You know, there's a lot of people hiking there. It's not, you know, somewhere too far off. I'm not going to get the location because I currently reside here. don't necessarily want any kind of publicity or anything like that. I don't want to draw attention per se to where I live. That's not what I would want.

But I give you my encounter. We were walking down a trail, and there was a trail called Coyote Trail. And because we had our two kids, the last thing that we wanted was to walk down a trail called Coyote Trail with our children. I think that that's just a common sense approach. you know, trails are typically named for reasons or another. Right. And I didn't exactly want to come across some wild dogs.

So the trail is set up like a T, like the letter T. You can either go right, you can go straight or you can go left. We continued straight, which would have brought us towards the parking lot where the vehicle is parked at. because we were just wrapping up our walk. Some were coming down. I'd say about 5 o'clock or so, maybe 5.30, somewhere around there. And, you know, we were done. We were done hiking and walking for the day.

So we're making our way back. We went straight, and we were in this clearing. It was a large clearing with tall yellow grass. You know, I'm not much for horticulture, so I don't exactly know what type of grass it was, but very tall grass. And swamps, there was swamps and bogs in this preserve or whatnot. At any rate, out of nowhere, while we were in middle of this clearing, we were screamed at, there was a large scream, and it wasn't just a regular scream.

It was a very, very terrifying scream. It was about, if I could give you an estimation, I would say it was definitely in the tree line for sure. We were out in the open, and it was in the tree line across Coyote Trail. So it was on the Ossetay Coyote Trail up against the tree line there, and it came, and it was just so powerful. I'd say it was about 200 yards away at least. I didn't exactly see what it was, but to give you an idea of it, it was so loud and so powerful. and it lasted for so long that it was frightening. It was something that I couldn't even tell you what animal could do something like that.

And my kids are starting to scream and my wife is looking at me, looking for some sort of direction on what we were going to do. I don't know what it was, but the sound reminded me of a, it reminded me of like what I would all like a crazy banshee or something like a it sounded like a woman that you would hear

in like a really good Hollywood movie screaming at the top of her lungs bloody murder but for like 20 seconds at a huge volume that's unmatched I couldn't even get anywhere close to this so we were looking at each other and it was still going,

it was still on that same one breath. It was pissed. Whatever it was was angry. It was, it was, it was, it, you could just hear it was just so angry. And we ended up grabbing our children and we ended up cutting through the, the grass. And which there was like a, I call it like a ranger station or whatever you call that stuff, but there was no one there. You know, the funding had been taken out from the state.

You know, Illinois is going through a hard time right now with funding, so they don't exactly have people to sell certain slots and things like that. So the grass was grown over and, you know, the place was shut down. But we saw it as a structure. We saw it as safety if we needed to break a window or get inside that building to feel like we were somewhat secure. I know it sounds kind of stupid, but it's better than being outside, I suppose. But we ran up that way, and we were in a parking lot, in a parking lot, not the one that we parked in, but in a parking lot.

And we ended up looking over the clearing, and we had a very wide view of where we were at, where we heard the sound. And we saw all of Coyote Trail. I mean, it was all there. And out of nowhere, it was kind of weird because out of nowhere this guy is like trucking it. I mean, this backpacker old man was with a huge bag. He wasn't running, but this guy was booking it out of there. I took my phone out and I recorded it and I said, you know, maybe if something went down or something, at least we have some sort of a, you know, proof or something.

But the closer that he got, I'd say maybe like two miles in distance, I'd say about eight minutes or so, somewhere around there. I mean, this guy was going quick. And I could be off. I mean, I don't know. I didn't time the guy. That wasn't on my mind. But my wife said, this guy looks scared. I looked at it, and I could see his face was really white.

He just was, he looked like he had seen a ghost or something. And he didn't make eye contact with us. He just continued looking forward and just like he just was out of it. I don't know. He just, I don't know. But anyhow, he walked around us and I told my wife, you know, I always carried a snife with me. And, you know, in case we got to use it for something or another, you know, never know if you got to ever need to use anything.

But maybe this guy was one of them homeless people in the world. wood through something or whatever, and I'm not going to take any chances, but he never made a problem with us. In fact, I had kept an eye on him thinking that he was going to go to the parking lot where we had parked, and we gave him about a minute or two, and we ended up going down that direction. We saw that we were the only vehicle parked in that parking lot. This hiker guy was hiking down the, I'd say it's about three or four miles of straight road before you get to the main road from this park. I mean, it's a long way.

But, you know, it's not uncommon for people to hike these trails and take the bike trails and, you know, do all that jazz. But at any rate, I kind of, I was shocked to see that we were the only people there. And this guy did not exactly have a vehicle. And I told, I was telling my wife, I said, you know, I just kind of, to find it very eerie that we're the only people here. And we got our asses in that car and we just zipped the hell out of there and never looked back.

You know, thinking about it now, I was almost thinking, well, actually I was thinking that, and I don't know, I can't attribute this to a Sasquatch. There was no mountain line. We don't have mountain lines here. And I don't, I've heard mountain line screams, you know, and we don't have bears and it's not anything like that. It was something very strange. At any rate, we were talking, and I said,

what if it was the Sasquatch? You know, what if they're out here too, just like they're down there, and what if it was hunting us? And it somehow knew to go down the trail and see how many cars were parked in the parking lot to determine, you know, if we were the last ones or whatnot. I don't know.

I found it weird that this hiker didn't have a car, and he had crossed Coyote Trail, a trail that I just didn't have a good feeling about it. It was just, you know, so maybe it didn't expect him. I wanted to ask you, when he, did he come from the direction of where you heard the screen? He had crossed, how do I say this, he would have passed the screen on his right-hand side. So the way that the park is set up is that there's multiple trails. He was coming out of an area, tucks back on the other side of not so much where the scream was, but to the right. So he had come down the same trail that we came down, but we ended up going straight and he made a right.

So that when we heard the scream, we didn't even know that there was anybody out there with us. We didn't even know this guy was even in the park. Oh, I got you. I got you. But when we looked down, we saw this man come from that same trail that we were on, but he cut across Coyote Trail and was hiking it down. And it was within that same area that loud, massive, horrendous, banshee-like scream came from.

He would have cast it up on his right side, I would say, if I could give the type of direction where I think it came from, I don't think that it, I don't think he came from where this thing was at or whatever, but I think that he would have passed it unknowingly. I'm not sure. And it's interesting. There's a lot of animals out there that scream cougars and foxes,

and they'll make a lot of, even coyotes make a lot of odd noises, but they don't make 20-second long roars and screams. They just don't. And I know you have a lot of, had one other strange encounter where stuff was getting thrown at you. Do you mind telling us real quick on what happened with that encounter? Sure. This was around the same time that I had had this experience a few months ago. Myself, my sister, her son, which is my nephew, and my two boys were with us

in a separate park, not too far away from where this particular incident took place. And we were staring, we were on a trail looking over the water. I remember growing up in this area knowing that there was never water here, but there's been a lot of land erosion and, you know, climate change definitely is real because it's changing this park. But my nephew and I were standing next to a tree, and from out of nowhere I get smacked in the face twice with acorns, two acorns, and it pissed me off. I thought that it was my wife.

I thought it was maybe my sister. I'm not exactly sure, but they were shocked to see me. I mean, I'm not the kind of person that you want to be joking around with like that. But it was not just, they didn't come out at the same time. It was like one, and then two seconds later I got smacked with the second one in my cheek. And I ended up looking over, and I couldn't see anything. And I looked up, and there was a bird, and the bird was going crazy. it was a black bird with like a

some sort of like a coloring on its wings and it was going crazy and I wasn't sure what the hell was going on you know I mean animals can tell you quite a bit of information you know on what's going on around you but I ended up walking up closer to this to where the tall grass was

and I saw that the grass was there was huge inventions I'd say about a good 15, 20 feet worth in circumference where something had been laying down, or I would say laying down, not sitting down because of how much area it had covered. There was a foul smell of what came to be like a rotten, rotted meat or stale garbage that had been sitting in the garage for weeks on end in the summer heat. It was horrendous.

We looked over and we saw a nice trail, and I ran. up there saying that, you know, maybe there's some sort of a dead deer or something out here. And I noticed that what I came across was rocks. There was these rocks that were standing on top of each other. There was probably about five of them. And it went from largest to smallest. And it just gave me the hebi-jeebies again. And I keep finding myself in situations where I go out and I come across these things.

But, you know, I can't accept. explain what it was. There was just a big spouse. Now, every time I'd go to, in the direction of the smell, it would change. And not only would I catch it, but, you know, my wife and my sister and everyone else would catch the smell drifting in a different area. It's very interesting. I think that there's more out there than what we're told to believe.

And for whatever that reason is, I don't know. And I don't have the answers to the many people. people who have questions, everything that I have experienced, I gave it to you today in this recorded interview. Yeah, no, and I appreciate you doing that. When the things were getting, when the acorns were getting thrown at you, did you ever have flashbacks of that night at your ex-girlfriend's house? I would say that that was going to be the most terrified that I had ever been, more worse than being how old or screamed at. It was just, it almost, it felt like we were going to be ambushed.

And even though I didn't see anything, I was able to, I don't even know, I was able to somehow snap out of that feeling because I did see so many of them in a small area. And I just felt like, I mean, it's just me, my wife and my sister, and they're not, you know, they're not tough girls by any means. And we've got, you know, a whole bunch of kids. and, I mean, if they wanted to, I mean, the size of this thing was massive. I mean, there would have been no hope.

But, yes, I felt like if it was going to show itself, it was going to be the worst time of my life. And I knew it in the pit of my stomach. You get that fixed sense. Yeah, it's terrifying, man, especially when you're in situations like that. Sometimes it's more of the unknown that terrifies you more than the actual known. It's terrifying enough to run into one of these creatures, but when you feel like you're kind of being messed with, you know, stuff is getting thrown at you and you can't figure out where it's being thrown from, I would imagine that would mess with you a little bit. I found it very interesting that the bird was going crazy, and it didn't want to fly to the other branches. It was just, it was an annoying, pesty little thing, and I think that this thing had some way of alerting that, you know, we were here or something.

and I'm not sure, but nature has a funny way of working itself out and that there was just a lot of things that played into it. And, you know, I can't discount the rock, the rock formation on top of one another as a Sasquatch or I can't say that the Sasquatch or a Sasquatch through acorns at me. You know, I don't know who did it, but I couldn't find out where it was coming from. And the bird was going crazy and the smell of rod. flesh or some sort of a very disgusting and putrid, god-awful smell was coming out from the forest. We were surrounded by forest on all four sides.

And, you know, it just, it was so awful. You know, and you say, you know, you asked me a minute ago if I felt that I had a flashback, I did. You know, sometimes I still do. I mean, we're, I was an active fisherman. I would always want to go out and try new fishing hole. I'd go on Google and see if I can try and find a good area to fish at, but I'm not stupid anymore. I know what I saw, and I mean, there's going to be people out there that are going to laugh

and they're going to make these jokes and things like that. But by all means, they can go continue to do what they do. And if that's what makes them happy, then I believe that they should continue doing that. But as for me and my family, we're the much more wiser after the experience. And it's not something that I want to go around and play around with. I know you get a lot of these people that talk about how they want to find a Sasquatch and they go squatching or whatever they call that. It's not something that I would definitely not suggest to go and look for these things.

They will find you. You don't need to find them. That's the damn truth. And I'm sticking to it. I mean, you don't got to worry about finding them. If they want to find you, they'll find you. You just better hope that that's what you're really wanting to see once you see it, because it's going to change everything that you ever were told to believe.

It just changes you from the inside. You know, one last question I want to ask you, Mike, is what do you think these creatures are? What's your own personal opinion? You know, I never thought I would ever be asked that. I never did, but I'm going to tell you, In my heart, and I'm not a religious man, I'm not going to say it's some sort of a demon or nothing like that. I think that it is, in my opinion, I think it's some sort of a Native American tribe, a wild man. I think that these things exist.

I know that they exist. I don't think that it's some sort of an ape that somehow got out of a zoo or something. I think that it's a wild man. I think these things are modern-day cavemen. that live in the mountains. And the accounts that you hear from a lot of people, they're usually in higher elevations and higher terrain. Cavemen, you know, if you think back,

they started living in caves. And they were hunters and gatherers. And, you know, these things are just, I don't know, I've never met a caveman before, but I think that that's, I would say, a modern-day caveman, that's just very, I would say, not. civilized, something just a wild man.

You know, it's hard to describe, but I think that it's just a wild man or wild men and women that live in these forests. I do believe that they are in some way affiliated with Native American tribes. Because in Cherokee County, which is where I had seen this particular encounter 2013, you know, I think that they there's some, the Native Americans I think are right on, I think that they, there's more to it.

And, you know, if there's anyone that can answer that question, I think that, you know, some solid advice could come from those people. You know, fish and game, they're not going to, they're just going to laugh at you, you know, for the most part anyhow. You're not going to get

the truth from your local police, man. In fact, you know, they end up becoming the witnesses themselves to situation. So to be honest, I don't know, but I would have to attribute them to some sort of a form, some form of early human that has not evolved and is residing within the mountain ranges and forests of Northern America in Canada. If you go back prior to the term Sasquatch, you can find a lot of accounts people called them Waldman. So it's definitely something to think about. But I really appreciate you coming on, Mike, and taking the time to share your encounter,

I really enjoyed hearing that one with the flat tire and then some of the other encounters that you've had. So thank you so much for coming on. I do appreciate the time less. And like I said, I, you know, this is the audience that would be willing to hear my experience. And, you know, I don't have to, you know, put myself out there and feel ridiculed because I know that there's going to be more and more people experiencing these things. And at some point when they feel that they want to talk about it, I feel that it's going to, they're going to feel more relieved. I myself feel more relieved talking about it.

I've been holding this in for the last couple years from the first encounter and several months back from the last two. But I definitely am very appreciative of you and your brother Woody and all that you guys do. And I definitely love the show. and we'd like to continue hearing more and more of the fascinating encounters that other people have throughout the United States and Northern America. I appreciate the kind of words.

Thanks again, Mike. Thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone, have a great night. Across the country, faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote. I'm Tom Martin, and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand.

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