Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:3 Inspired by Bigfoot with Bill Lee

Episode Date: November 3, 2013

Thirty-four year radio veteran Bill Lee takes an upbeat, ethical approach to all things "Bigfoot" in his weekly talk radio show on WQ4D Radio — The Inspiring Friends Network. Join Bill live Tuesday evenings at 7:00PM Central Time for a weekly look at what's going on in the field of Bigfoot research. You'll hear interviews with other Bigfoot researchers, learn about those who have had Bigfoot encounters, and get answers to the many questions surrounding this fascinating mystery. And last but not least, you'll hear Bill's own weekly episodes of "The Bigfoot Stories." Inspired by Bigfoot has it all!

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature across the road. You could have ripped my door off. And there wouldn't have been a thing I could have done about it. And when I saw it on there, the hair literally went up on the back of my neck. Yeah, Bill does the Inspired by Bigfoot show. Inspired by Bigfoot. And he said he was going to actually have one of these stories or a partial one or something for us tonight. Oh, wow.

Very cool. Hello. Hey, it's Will West and Woody on the line. And I was just about to tell Will that I'd do anything to get your voice or Will's voice. I'd trade you guys' voices. Will does have a good speaking voice, and I sure feel blessed. I'll tell you that. It's made making a living very fun and easy, and I don't get my hands dirty.

Yeah. Yeah, Bill, you've got a great voice. How did you and Will meet, just out of curiosity? I contacted you, didn't I, Will? I think so. Was it by way of Bobby Short? It was. she recommended you. It's been just long enough that I have to stop and think about that,

but I do believe it was Bobby. She recommended. I think I probably wrote, and you agreed, and I remember shortly after the first time you were on. I was like, man, I'd like to have you on once a month. And you told me you were on someone else's show. I had done Chuck's show Bigfoot tonight. I hadn't really thought about, you know, those shows. And then Bobby, you know, of course, we were in touch all the time, and she says, Will, will, you need to be on these radio shows? And I'm like, well, no, no, here, you're okay. I'll take care of it for you. So she started sending out contacts to different hosts.

That's good, bless her heart. What got you into Bigfoot, Bill? It's a weird story. The legend of Boggy Creek came out at the movie. I was a young child. I watched it and was amazed. And after that, I didn't give Bigfoot a second thought until I saw Dr. Matthew Johnson on TV in the year 2000 talking about his experience.

And the weirdest thing was, there was no. interest between Boggy Creek in 2000. I was doing my thing, my life, trying to be a DJ, enjoying the bass guitar, playing my rock and roll. And it was as if a light came on when I saw Dr. Johnson on TV, and I was like, I need to go see him and camp out with him where he had that sighting. And it's really bizarre because after that, it just came on full force. That's where I am today. So have you had an encounter with Saswatch, Bigfoot, or people want to call it out there? Have you actually had an encounter with them or when you've gone out? You know, I've never had an encounter.

The closest I've come, and this is interesting, because when I lived in Idaho four or five years ago, I remember camping, and I heard a long howl. The irony of this is that that howl was several miles away, and I could still hear it. It was the strangest feeling to hear something that was far off, but you could faintly hear it, and it was also the duration, 15 to 20 seconds. And I thought, I wonder if that's the real deal. To make it more interesting, several months later, six, eight months later, I'm over in Oregon camping, and I hear the same thing.

And it's from a distance, and it's almost 15 to 20 seconds long. And I thought, what are the chances that I would be near call blasters months and miles apart at the same time? And so I guess the closest I can say I've come is that I've heard them on two occasions, but at a distance because that yell or howl really travels. That's not to say that I could have been in the woods at any time and one be nearby and I just didn't know it. But I don't know if I'll ever have an encounter.

I'm fine if I don't. I'm enjoying the journey. Yeah, no, I hear you. So as far as Bigfoot goes, and I've got to tell you, I listen to your show. I enjoy your show a lot. I enjoy the Bigfoot stories that you do when you do like a middle of the show, break. So I really do enjoy the show. I wanted to ask you so.

So in your mind, what do you think Bigfoot is? And it's something we ask everyone, and we all have different opinions, and I've heard your opinions on your show. I think you and Woody would, my brother Woody, would probably get along pretty well because you guys are kind of on the same path as far as trying to figure out what it is. But for everyone out there listening, so what do you think Bigfoot is? Do you think it's just like a damn dirty ape out there running around or do you think it's more than that? In the beginning. Crudely. Go ahead.

That sounds like a name for a really good rock band. the damn dirty apes. Oh, I have had to undergo a transformation. Being an open-minded person who's not shocked by much, I started out, as most people did, thinking this is something that I believed all along it was some type of person just because the reports, even reading the reports on the BFRO, when you see what they do or read about what they do, it's to me evident that.

it's not an animal. As my show developed, I started getting guests on there. I would have one person on and they'd say, you need to have this person on. I'd have another guest and they would say, you need to have that person on. One thing led to another and I ended up having guests on who claim to speak to them telepathically. And while that is controversial, I also keep in mind we haven't seen it all. And I've gotten to where I trust these people. They're not just, just guests on the show. They're now friends. And when they tell me the things they tell me,

I've had one lady do a telepathic session with them who, and they discussed me. She basically told them about me, and I asked, I was allowed to ask five questions, and she asked them the questions, and they said things about me that nobody knows. And that really struck a chord with me, and I've come to the conclusion that they,

I feel uncomfortable not uncomfortable it's really hard I have a lot of respect for Will I know it's really hard for me to just come out sometimes but I believe me and Will make funny to you after the show anyway

so no I'm just joking I'm just joking Bill it's one of those things oh it's okay I've got two sweatshirts on tonight I'm sitting out here under the full moon in my yard I live in the wood so my big skin is on

Is it a Viking sweatshirt? You know it is, and I'm about to use it as toilet paper. We don't turn our seats around. Oh, man. But in a nutshell, I believe that they are interdimensional, that they are spirit as well as flesh and blood. Now, what makes that crazy is that nothing else that we know of on Earth can do that. So there's no point of reference for this, which makes it sound unbelievable. But when I talk to these people, I can't help but to conclude that they are correct, that they're not snowing me, that if you look at people who research and do typical research, what do they have to show for their research?

Because they're trying to sneak up, outsmart, get a picture, or whatever, and what do they have to show for it? At most, a footprint, maybe some vocalizations. I just believe that there's more to this, just like the Roger Bob Gimlin, even said in one of Kiwoni Lapsuritis's books, he said, I always knew that there was more to this than it being just a wild animal. Why do people get made fun of when they come forward and say this has happened? People go, oh, that's a bunch of this. What have you been smoking that? We haven't seen it all in ignorance and arrogance, make it very hard for us to what I call peel the banana and see. what is really out there.

Well, let me ask you this. So why do you think they're interdimensional? And I understand what you're saying about people's stories. And again, I listen to your show a lot. I know you're a kind man. You take people for their word. When you were, as you were saying, hey, I trust these people. I think that's something lacking in this world.

But I was in downtown Portland, and this one homeless man there was telling me that up at the top of this tower, where they had these, their radio station had all these, you know they have the huge satellites he was saying they're mind controlling us and and the guy was sincere he was he was telling me that the government's doing mind control through these things and i i honestly think he actually believed that but is it something of and i'm not forgive the comparison but is it something to wear in their stories is it just something you've heard over and over i know you talked about your own experience that kind of felt like a

like a ghost session doesn't it a little bit and i don't mean that respectfully like you know sometimes people sit and kind of talk with the dead and then tell them things about themselves? Or was it different than that? Well, I've only talked to, let's see, one, two, three people who speak of what we're discussing. And one thing is a common theme with what they tell me is that the Sasquatch people only approach people who have a soft heart and who are going to be receptive to what they see and witness. It's true that, you know, I say it's true. It's possible that they could be being snowed by whomever they're talking with when they go

into these sessions. But it's, you know, someone will say, show me proof. Well, it's like, I'm not trying to prove anything. It's just I feel this deep in my heart. And I don't believe the repetition, but if there hasn't been enough, repetition for it to sink in and condition me to be susceptible to that. But I choose to believe what they tell me, and I believe there's more to them when I read the stories that I read in these people's books.

And when I talk to them, it's really hard for me to walk away and say they're wrong. I just feel a strong tug, a strong pull. Our guest that's going to be on our show Tuesday, there's some fascinating accounts in his book about what has happened to certain Sasquatches that the government was involved in. The government, I believe, knows about them. I believe the government understands that there is a UFO connection with the Sasquatch. I don't quite understand it all, and believe me, a lot of this, guys, I'm normal. I go to church.

I'm just like anybody else. I just believe deep down that there's something more to this, and I believe I would be wrong to dismiss these guests who come on as being wrong. And I may be wrong, but what's the penalty if any of us are wrong about it until we know what there is to know about it? It's an open field, and I'm just looking for answers. And what I like to do with my show is give those people from the traditional guests such as Will to these other guests. I want to give people who've had these experiences a place to come talk about them, and that's where one guest leads to another. The world that we live in, the things that are occurring, they're stranger than we can comprehend right now.

It's almost like we're fourth graders who have just mastered our times tables, and then you throw geometry at us, and you expect us to get that. No, I'm with you. I mean, I don't believe, my beliefs aren't that way, but I'm like you, I can't prove. I have no more proof than you do, so it's kind of like what ground does any of us really have to stand on? The only thing where I get kind of lost, because I'm pretty open-minded. I would probably say, well, prior to our encounter,

I was way more open-minded than Woody ever was, and I would say he's probably more open-minded about things now. Like the interdimensional stuff, I get kind of lost. After Woody and I had our encounter, I know Woody talked a lot about the paranormal, and it was hard after seeing how these things moved, you know, when we don't have a, we talked about it last week, When you don't have a reference, when you actually see how they move and how they glide,

and you've just never seen anything like that before, it's easy to go to the paranormal and say, well, that must be paranormal. That must be because there's no reference for it. It's like Woody and I just called them monsters after we saw them because we didn't have a reference for what we actually saw. I mean, neither one of us, it took us a week before we said Bigfoot or Sasquatch. We just referred to them as monsters. So I can understand how people go to these different, trying to explain, the unexplainable at this point.

And what also gives strength to my belief that there is something more to them is when I read accounts and I choose to believe these accounts in Kiwone's book and in other reports that come across my radar, what about the man in Oregon who shoots at one and it disappears in front of his eyes? I can understand seeing one glide or walk or be stealthy and being dumbfounded by the that. But what in the world are you supposed to do when you raise a gun at one and even fire a shot and it disappears? Now, I'm not going to call the person a liar because I don't understand how that process works. That's what gets me to thinking. And when I read, I don't know if you had a chance to read

any of Kiwoni's books, but there are accounts in there that, you know, I can't pick and choose, I guess I can pick and choose what I'll believe and not believe. But I do choose to believe that these accounts are true. And when I read them, I think, you know, this makes perfect sense to me as an open-minded person. Now, I don't understand every aspect of it. But when something disappears like that, goodness, what in the world do you make of that? Let me ask you this then, Bill. If I told you today, I knew where a group was and I was going to go shoot one,

and then because I don't think I can get the body out, I'm going to take the head off and bring it back, would that not bother you then because you have a different belief, you don't believe that they're flesh and blood, so you wouldn't have any issue. Not you, but I mean, generally speaking, people who have that belief really wouldn't have any problems with someone who's wanting to go out to. And I'm not saying my intentions would be something like show proof to the community, get science involved, maybe start preservation, that sort of thing. It wouldn't be just to kill one to kill one. I mean, there would be a reason behind, more or less I'm justifying my reason for it. But if I were to say that, would that bother you at all? No, not at all.

And that's one of the things that, boy, at the risk of sounding self-serving, that's one of the things I like about me. You could tell me, I know, I know that's bad. That's bad. The listeners are like, listen to this guy. He must be in charge of his own PR department. But if you and I were walking out there and, you, well, I'm trying. But no, and that's the neat thing is how my.

brain is wired. I could hear that from you and say, well, you know what? You can give that a try, but here's why I don't think it's going to work. And I would tell you that what you're about to try is akin to calling will and saying, I'm going to come sneak in your front door and steal something out of your refrigerator, and I'm going to try to do it without you seeing me. The thing is, is these creatures, these people oftentimes show themselves to people who don't believe because they're not thinking about them. And one of the quickest ways, I believe, to repel a Sasquatch is if you go in the woods thinking, I want to see one, I want to look for sign.

It's almost like you're sending a million candle spotlight in front of you that they're going to see. And if you go out there with that intent like you described, I wouldn't judge you. I really wouldn't. I'd say, you know what? That's your prerogative. But I believe you won't succeed because you're intent. And if they are psychic, as I believe they are, then they're going to know you're coming and you won't stand a chance.

No, actually, I really appreciate your answer a lot because I've talked to other people who have your beliefs and I've said that to them, then they get all upset. It's like, well, if you think Bigfoot's a leprechaun has all these magical powers and you think, I'm not talking about you, Bill, I'm talking about other people. If you believe have all of these beliefs and they can disappear and then why does it bother you so much if I say I'm going to go, kill one and bring it in. And then it's kind of like the conversation goes nowhere. So I really respect your answer to that. You don't think that I could do it. I mean, I respect that more than just getting upset.

You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. And that's one thing I've learned is to not let emotion get in the way. I know this, that when I have these guests on the show, it's made me stop and think. I've had to go through my own transformation. I started out believing one thing as time went by, whether it's, with reports read or guests on my show, I've had to change my position on what I think they are. And it's one common theme you hear over and over from people like Kathleen Grevy-Otum and Kiwony Lapsuritis

is that the Sasquatch people are always talking about from the heart. It comes from the heart. I feel from my heart very strongly about this in a way that I never felt about it when I was just in the flesh and blood and I'll circle back and say, you know, people say, what do you think they are, flesh and blood or spirit? Well, the answer is, I believe, as I've read, that they are both. I don't know why. They are an anomaly, as we know it, and can do both.

I believe the Native Americans, when they talk about them the way they do, and they are like our big brother. They were here before us. They are concerned about the planet and what we're doing to it, and I'm not trying to sound like a tree hugger, but there are things that are going on that if the truth, we hit the pause button on life as we knew it and all the answers came forth, I think a lot of people would be shocked at how bizarre the world really is. We just think that it's one-dimensional.

You go to work, you come home, you might go out to eat. Well, there's a lot more to life. And I don't know that we'll ever answer the Sasquatch mystery. I don't know that it's ever meant to be answered because you mentioned protection a few minutes ago when Kathleen went into... I didn't say that. I don't really mean it. I just say it. I don't really mean it. A lot of people think. Because, you know, there's no one really... I mean, we can barely get a picture of them. Do we really need to protect them?

You know what I mean? Right, right, exactly. Because... And that's one thing Kathleen said when I asked the questions. One of them was, what can I do for them? And they said, we don't need any help. It was... They are...

People think, well, if we kill one, we can save and protect them. Well, that's not going to come into play because they don't need our help. And all that officially recognizing the Saskatchew... Watch would do, among other things, would be to send a bunch more people into the woods and make it hard on them when they are in the flesh and blood mode here. And this is so hard to discuss because, you know, here's the thing. I'm not an expert, and Kathleen won't just get on any show.

I would really love for her to be able to, she can do, and Keone can do such a better job of this than me. I'm just the messenger, one who believes, but they, what they're experienced. It's tough. It's really hard. Yeah, no, I mean, it's something to where it's even saying Bigfoot exists as hard, you know, let alone getting into the muddy water of what we're dealing with. But I had two questions for you, and then I'll stop hogging you.

I also have the Trent Bigfoot vocalizations to play, get your guys' take on it. So if you're interdimensional, does it, throw you off a little bit when you hear people come up with evidence, like fur and like scat, where it's eating food. I would think something that could go spirit and physical. My first question be to Bigfoot would be really, do you have to come in our woods and take it downp if you're spiritual? I mean, can't you go and, you know what I mean? Yeah, oh, exactly.

So what do you think about the actual physical evidence that people provide? And just guessing here, if I were to throw a guess out there, I would have to believe that when they are in the physical world, they're subject to the rules of the physical world. and as Kiwoni mentions in one of his books, there are portals, doors that open and that people, humans, have disappeared into these portals. And one guy was skiing. All of a sudden, boom, he's not where he was. And he was quick enough to get back through before the door shut that he was back in this realm.

But had he stayed where he was, he would be subject to the laws, not literally, as far as police laws, he would be subject to the laws and rules of where he got stuck. I believe in just trying to connect the dots as an amateur who doesn't know, you know what, from Shinola, that I believe they're subject to the laws of where they are when they're there, is that's the best I can come up with. And it makes sense. I've yet to come up with something where I'm like, well, you know, you try to connect the dots in your own words, and I feel that that's how they are when they are here, is that they have to eat, they have to take a dump in the woods, they have to play by the rules here,

and then when they go, I don't know what the rules are in the spirit world, but that would be what I would say to that. But hearing the story like the skier, doesn't it kind of, and then after this, I'll want, we'll beat you up, and then you know what he'll get along well. But, so if someone said to me,

okay, the skier disappeared, and what happened is a portal opened up, and he went into the portal, and then it closed, and then he disappeared. I'm not really sure. I mean, did you see that? My first question would be, did you see that happen? Or, I mean, maybe he just got with skiing and got lost, and it was wintertime, and no one could find the body, and eventually predators got him.

I guess that's two different minds and how they work. But my first question would be, did you see that? Did you see the portal open and him disappear? Did you, maybe there's, like I've heard people when they say, well, Bigfoot just disappeared. Woody and I've seen King Kong drop to all fours. And when he drops down like that, I could see how they could crawl off really quick. And if you weren't paying attention, you would think, hey, that just disappeared. That just, I guess in my mind, and again, I'm not trying to beat you up.

I'm just, in my mind, I would think that just disappeared. Well, maybe he dropped, maybe he crawled off. Maybe he, I went to jump to the conclusion, well, there's portals. And so he went into a portal. He's half spirit creature. And I'm trying, and I sound like a dick when I'm saying this, but I'm trying to be respectful. It would almost seem more logical, though, well, maybe it just dropped and took off, and in a split second.

You didn't see it? I mean, did you see a portal? You see where I'm going? I guess I sound like a jerk, so I'll just back. No, not at all. In the case of the skier, he was alone, and he just recounted that story. But one of the key components of if you see one disappear, well, what are the surroundings like? Were there trees nearby?

Where I'm standing now, there's enough open space. If I saw one right now and it disappeared, if it wasn't in a bunch of thick brush or dense jungle, then it's going to be very hard to explain that it dropped on all fours because it doesn't matter if it's two feet tall or 20 feet tall. If it drops on all fours and there's an open enough clearing, I'm going to see it. Now, if it's dense, then there's credence to your argument. But it's just hard for people to buy that because there's no point of reference and it sounds out of this world. but maybe in 5,000 years, we'll be able to do that too, and it'll be looked at as normal as blowing your nose.

I guess for me, it's just two different, how do two different minds think? And I respect the way you feel and your thoughts on it. You know, like for me, I know if Woody said, well, I was out hunting and it just disappeared. My first comment to him would be, well, you took a shot and you missed then. Is that what you're saying?

You shot and you missed, and now you're coming up with this. You know what I mean? I would immediately jump to, well, it didn't really disappear. you missed is what you're saying. Well, you know better than that. I don't miss. I'm a better shot than you are. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and it's a case of when something like that happens, people will say we're conditioned to saying, well, where's the proof? I need proof. Some people will say, I have to see it, believe it. And I'm quick to jump in and say, well, you believe in God? Yes, I do. Well, you've never seen him.

Yeah, that's true. but they're and again I'm not really a Christian not really for me not to go off top too much on the God thing but you know when you look at the mountain the sun comes up every day I breathe I can sit move my fingers I mean the body for me there's so much more to say well maybe there's something higher up that of intelligence that

created us because coming up from a monkey I don't really buy I guess it all has to do with the leaves you know you're right though the first thing is where's the proof and with the subject it's tough to produce that. You know, because I'll sit and listen to anyone. I'll listen to anyone's ideas, and if it makes sense to me, I'll buy it on to it, but I respect everyone that shares their opinion. I wish more people would share and there wouldn't be such the attack, you know what I mean?

There are some groups and some persons who whine like a 13-year-old female when they are presented with something different than what they believe, and I'm always dumbfounded it, why someone would get defensive and pissy when confronted or presented with a different point of view, I want to ask them, and I'll tell you something else. Kathleen, when she did the session with the Sasquatch people, they were happy to hear that I'm presenting their case to my listeners. The thing that struck me as much as anything was that they asked that I present their

case with a soft heart. And I'll tell you, there was a time not long ago when someone wanted to make fun of Bigfoot, I would attack their character. and leave them in tears if I could because how dare you and all your infinite stupidity presumed to know it all? You want to say Bigfoot's a joke. I'm fixing to make you cry, dumbass. But you know what?

They asked that I present their case with a soft heart and it's gone against everything I've done when confronted with an arrogant smart ass to not be that way back. So I have taken their words to heart. and I present their case with a soft heart. It's still a learning process because there are times I would bring Bigfoot up in front of a stranger just to see their reaction, hoping that they would start making fun of it because then I could tear their character in two. I've had to change because they've asked me,

and I've chosen to believe what Kathleen says is true. So it's been a learning process for me. And what I was going to say, my original point, when someone starts getting pissy when I bring up this aspect of Bigfoot, want to say, did you breastfeed five years too long because you sure are whining? And I hope that's not too strong. That was not directed at you. It's just, it's very hard for me to control myself when someone is being smart-ass.

And I'm not saying how you're doing. I'm fine with you, but some of these people on Facebook, some of these groups that they live for poking and pushing buttons. And it's like, are you that threatened by something that you're not familiar with? No, I agree with you. I mean, and I've had people say to me they think Bigfoot is a person. I'll ask him, well, why do you think Bigfoot is a person? Why do you think Sasquatch is a person?

And then they get all flustered with the fact that it seems like they don't really know themselves or maybe can't express it so they get frustrated. I just want to know why they think it's a person. Maybe there's something to what they're saying. Maybe not. Robert W. Morgan, who helped me a lot as far as getting past the animal to person, and Robert and I didn't get into too much of the interdimensional stuff. None of that.

Now, he's seen UFOs when there were Sasquatches around. But the one thing Robert told me, humans have set themselves up for this fault that I'm about to describe. The Sasquatch either have to be classified as a separate but equal species, or we have to redefine what humans are, and that is because they share the traits that make humans unique. and that's articulated speech, an opposable thumb, they sit on their buttocks, and they use stone markers to bury their dead. As one Native American witnessed, several saskwatches rolling a boulder that would otherwise need to be moved, would need a caterpillar to move it

over the body of a deceased Sasquatch. And so by that, by our own definition, they are people, which means if we're not going to include them, we've got to change the definition of what makes a person to person. Yeah, and I think it's, that's right there, that question has been long debated when you think of like a gorilla. You know, we can teach a gorilla to sign. We can teach it. I've seen a gorilla cry over its cat, you know, that with that famous one, Coco.

Coco. Yeah. So they have, I was telling Woody about these orangutans out in this zoo. These orangutans kept getting out of their cages. And the main zookeeper guy would come in the morning and they'd be up in the trees. he was upset by this because someone left the door open. There's a locked door to where they shouldn't be able to get out, and they kept getting out.

So he called in the staff and he said, hey, you know, we can't let the, we can't. It's a liability if they get out like they're getting out. We need to make sure we have this door closed and it's locked. No one said that they did it. Everyone said, oh, you know, no one would admit to it. And it happened again, and it happened again. He'd come in in the morning. These orangutans would be up in this tree just hanging out by the zoo.

They weren't actually in their enclosure though. So finally he gets upset and he sets up a hidden camera. So he's going to find out which employee is doing it so he can nail him. Come to find out this orangutan pulled a wire out of its mouth, had picked a lock, and then let the other orangutans out. The reason why they found this, they thought that someone had just left the door open because the orangutang was kind of doing something by the door and then the door opened and he lent the rest of the aringatans out and they went and played in the trees.

But as they were putting them back in their cages, they saw them. something in his lip. And what they had seen in his lip was this wire, the wire he used to pick the lock, he hit it in his lip. So it shows not only that he was, the point of the story, though, it's not, it's amazing that he was able to pick the lock and get out, but the fact that he had deception. In order to deceive someone, you have to get inside their head. And what he was doing is he was hiding that wire in his mouth so that it wouldn't be taken away. So it's not like he just carried around in his hand. He was deceived. He was deceived. his keepers because they wanted to go out and hang out in the trees. And so when you talk about Bigfoot and their intelligence and that they're people, what kind of defines us as people? Is it that we're so smart? Because I know a lot of people who aren't as smart as an orangutanang. I'm sure you guys see it too.

But what defines it as people, what actually makes us people? It's if people think of orangutans, it's just as, you know, a damn dirty eight. But they're actually a little bit more than that. There's a lot more to them than that. I know the stories. I think there's an ape in or a monkey or an ape. I'll have to look it up now that I open my mouth. But in India, we'll probably know this better than I do.

But they actually bury their dead. And they do it just like how you describe. They dig a hole, dump the body in, and then put rocks over the top of it. And they have video of these primates burying their dead. And so outside of humans, to see primates bury their dead is. So, I mean, what kind of defines us as human? What makes us human? That's a very interesting point you bring up.

And I think what comes into play here, too, is the ignorance and arrogance that as humans, we think that we have cornered the market on certain things, emotions, intelligence, this and that. And when you see things and you see animals do things, we're reminded that while we are more intelligent than any of the animals on the planet, they're not as far back as we think they are. Will, did you want to beat up on Bill for a while? I would never beat up on Bill. Bill and I are good friends. I'm going to give Bill a plug here for all of our listeners who don't know.

Bill's the host of a radio show called Inspired by Bigfoot. It's a great show. Go listen on Tuesdays if you get a chance to Bill's a wonderful host. And Bill, you know, he had me laughing so hard. One of the first shows, you remember Bill when you did the C&SA Bigfoot? It was like a mock commercial he came up with. And I was totally unaware of this, and he just had me rolling. Because, you know, we can picture it when we were kids, you know, and they had the C&A toys.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, with all, I've been listening, you know, to all the conversation. And, of course, you know, well, with all the years I've been involved in this, you learn to listen to a lot of different things. One of the things that I've been working on that I'm going to really throw a wrench into people's thinking is the fact that, you know, everybody today out there labels, everything big and hairy as either Bigfoot or Sasquatch. and it's really not the case. We may have as many as four different species out there. So when we talk about, and Wes and Woody and I have all three encountered one type

that I call the true Sasquatch, which really is more animal, and oftentimes they're very surly and can be vicious and aggressive. While there's another type that's a little more like the Russian almas, that's a lot more human. And it may be that, you know, what you're talking about, Bill, is that species, whereas the ones we've seen are something completely different, and everybody gets confused because they're labeling everything under one type, and it really isn't one type.

I'm not sure what your thoughts on that are. Actually, I've got a good addition to what you're saying, and you're on the mark there because one thing Kiwoni mentions in his book, The Psychic Sasquatch and their interdimensional connection, is that there is the Sasquatch, and then there is what they call the ancient ones. And the ancient ones are the ones that the arms are in proportion to the body, the round heads, no cone.

And then there are the ones who have more of a gorilla-type head. In fact, I think he only mentioned in his book there were four to seven types around the world with the least advanced one being the Yeti. The Skunk Cape was mentioned as another one. But he says many people confuse the Sasquod. with an ancient one and and that's one thing we need to make sure that when you see one that doesn't mean that everyone looks like it and if you see it do one two three or four things it doesn't mean they all do that it's it we got to be careful not to

to put them all in one box there's you know the Minnesota Iceman what in the world is that is that from Vietnam is that some kind of Neanderthal it's more like an ancient one than a Sasquatch exactly yeah It doesn't really look anything like a Sasquatch. In fact, well, you know, I'm working on a book about that currently. See, really, there was nothing about that creature and the other ones that was with it that really, I mean, other than the fact that it was manlike and hairy, you could even put it in that category.

All the other features were nothing like what the traditional Sasquatch in the Patterson film is. And I really think there is a lot of confusion out there, and a lot of these people, you know, we were talking about them, all the backbiting on Facebook, for instance. I've seen a lot of that and get disgusted with it very quickly. I think it's a lot of these people really don't know what they're talking about. They get a little piece of this subject. They think they know what they're talking about.

And if they get a little bit of attention, then it's sort of that, you know, I'm going to be, you know, famous, the rich and famous angle. And maybe that clouds or judgment. I have seen it many, many times, you know, where somebody will get involved in the subject and then just changes them. Their whole attitude and demeanor and everything completely changed. and they're very people that I don't want to be around when they change like that. I think they need to really be a little more open-minded and just maybe a little less quick to

open their mouths and think a little bit more before they make a judgment on something without the experience to make that judgment call. And a lot of that is probably the anonymity of being behind a computer because I've often thought, how impolite would these people be if we were all in the room discussing it face-to-face where there were instant repercussions for that type of behavior. And as a radio person for 34 years, I've seen what the media spotlight can do to make an ass out of people as far as arrogance. I've seen it from TV people.

Some of the most arrogant people around are the news anchors or the sports guy on television. And when some of these people get a little bit of attention, they can't handle it. And having grown up in a radio family and started on the air at 14, I got over that a long time ago and always told myself, be nice, be approachable, don't act any different on the air than you are off the air. And part of the qualities of the show that I like that I do is that I do invite people to come on and discuss the weirder aspects of Bigfoot. And I'm not going to say, I don't agree with your thought process. You can't come on.

It has brought me some of the most interesting guests by being open-minded. than I wouldn't trade their friendship or stories or experiences. I'd rather broadcast to two people discussing the weirder aspects than to broadcast to 100,000 rehashing the same old, I heard a bigfoot fart. I saw a big foot track. Ooh, I found a five-gallon bucket full of bigfoot do-doo. How exciting.

Tell me more. Yeah. I think there's enough of that out there. Yeah, there's plenty of that out there. So that's what happens when the people are that way when they're snotty, because if I hear something I don't like, I'll be like, Well, now that's interesting. Help me understand where you're coming from.

And some people are that way anyway, but I think the anonymity of the Internet makes some people be a little more belligerent than they would be if you were standing there having a conversation face-to-face. And one of the things I saw that was kind of disturbing recently was there was, and I can't remember which site it was, but once in a while we'll go just to kind of see what's being talked about.

I always try to gauge what opinions are out there on the subject. There was somebody who was complaining about some of these so-called seasoned researchers was beating up on the new people. And I had to put my two cents worth in by saying, you know, that any of the new people are more than welcome to contact me if they liked, you know, basically to hell with these other people because I would be more willing to help them out and maybe guide them a little bit if they wanted me to.

And I would certainly take any of these people on if they liked that because I'm sure I have at least 20 more years of experience than just about any of these people out there. So I'm one of the few people that aren't too afraid of any of these jokers out there. But it bugs me not being up on the newer people, you know. I'm just going to say it's almost like they're saying, this is my subject. You have to have permission to enter. And that's exactly, I think, what's happening.

Marking their territory. Yeah, if they want to take me on, they can, by all means, if they think their britches are big enough, bring it on. It almost sounded like Will said if they think their bitches are big enough, and it's like, oh, man, I've never been eaten up by six foot two. Well, you know, I got to take them on, but if they think their pants are big enough, you know, our shoes are big enough, come on and

and you know it's funny with the attitudes too I think I mentioned you know I talked about I brought it up

last week I think you know we're talking about people's attitudes when I when I was talking

with Joe Rogan a few months back you know with the show that they filmed for sci-fi and he was

on pushing me to try to raise money to go out and prove that they exist so I went ahead and did it

and I had two people that just on Facebook just raised a big stink about that and I thought

Well, geez, I mean, you know, what's wrong with trying to raise money to do anything? I mean, everybody raises money for all kinds of things. It was funny that I guess maybe because of who I am, they thought I was actually going to get, you know, $10 million and run out and prove one. And, you know, they weren't going to have the subject to use as a crutch anymore. Right. And the defensiveness, I try to ask myself, are there other subjects or arenas or areas of interest where you will see such a biose? A backbiting backlash, and off the top of my head, I can't think of any. But there is something about this subject that for some people it makes them belligerent,

and I haven't quite figured out what it is. Why? I don't know that I ever will, but it's interesting to note that. You know, you're right. I've got friends who are involved in the subject of UFOs, and none of them are like that. They all seem to get along very well, and everybody, you know, will bring out what information they have and they share it, and I'm thinking this subject is completely the opposite. It's an amazing journey because as a Christian who goes to church, and I go to a church that's laid back.

I don't want a preacher in robes and a choir with a hellfire and damnation. I don't want to hear that. Our church is laid back. I get to play my bass up there. We play decent music. They don't let me play rush, but that's okay. You can't have it all. And I'm a rush head, man.

I play that rush loud, loud, loud. But it's been a fascinating journey for me because I want to tell people, I'm a Christian. I believe in God and I believe in Bigfoot. deal with that Christians and I'd love to see the look on some of their faces because I've just challenged their entire belief system. Yeah, and most Christians don't act Christians. So I guess that's kind of a... Exactly right.

So, I mean, I appreciate that it's so open, Bill. It's going to go back to what I'm saying. Yeah, no, you are. And I really do enjoy your show. I mean, I'm not just saying that because you're on ours. I really do listen to your show and do listen to it. So I know, you know, and I've heard you in the past. I know you're kind of soul.

You let people on, you give them a voice. You know, after you have an encounter, after you have something like this, it's just a relief to get it off your shoulders and actually talk to someone. I mean, I felt 100 times better after I talked to Will because, and Will has a way of making it feel easy, making it feel, you know, making it comfortable so you can talk. So, I mean, that's one thing I would recommend is that people do talk to Will. But with regard to raising money and doesn't it kind of throw you guys off when someone says, hey, I want to get money together to go prove this, or they're trying to make money so that they can spend more time? proving this and the reason why I think we haven't gotten the proof that people want no one has the time or money if someone had the time and money to go out there and spend time in the field I think we could wrap up what Bigfoot is pretty quick I

don't think we're going to do it through I mean I hate to say the Falcon Project I don't want to beat it up but I don't think we're going to prove it that way I think it's the way you're going to prove it is is with time and money and get people out there to provide proof I mean don't you think there's a lot lot of hurdles in that approach. And if you, as they say in the WWE, if the wrestlers are doing a good job and you get angry, they have suspended your disbelief. And just like an actor, if you get angry at an actor on TV, you're happy they've done

their job. So I want to relate a quick story in one of Kiwone's books because I'm going to tell you who has the answer. If you choose to suspend your disbelief in my position for just a minute and accept it, then it does make sense. and that is the U.S. government, and here's why I say it. We're going to talk about this on the show Tuesday. There's an account in his book that blew my mind away,

and it starts with a woman who was a habituator and was feeding them. Well, one of the large males in the nearby clan was lured by agents of the U.S. government to a building under the pretense of friendship, and they gave him food with a powerful sedative in it that knocked him out. They then put an implant in the back. of its head so they could track him. Well, he was let go, and he went back to his clan. He was not the leader, but he went back and had an argument with the female Bigfoot that

had two young ones, and the female was arguing for continuing to accept food from the human. The male Bigfoot was very angry at this happening because he had been betrayed, and he got so angry that, according to this account in Kiwoni's book, the male killed the female, And there was a punishment that came with that. The leader of the clan telepathed the lady in question and said, I took a bottle of anaphrase from your garage and made the male drink it. And his punishment was death for killing another Sasquatch. The Sasquatch got violently ill after drinking the anaphyse and went to a cave where he'd been hanging out.

And he telepathed the lady and said, this Sasquatch that drank the antifreez wanted to kill the lady's husband because he was so angry at the humans for betraying his trust that he, as he was fading away, he telepathor and said, my life force is fading away, they're going to come to get me. The helicopter will soon be here because the implant has given my location away. If you choose to believe that, and I know for your listeners, I'm not trying to insult or offend, but if you choose to believe that, the answer is there. The government has it, but I can guarantee damn to you, they're not going to talk.

I choose to believe that. We're going to go into that on Tuesday show. If that kind of stuff is going on, can you imagine what that would do to the public if that were to get out as fact with proof to back it up? Yeah. I guess my two comments would be, you know, that's a woman for you. And that's, yeah, well, it's deep. That stuff's deep.

And there are a lot of people who say, what's he been smoking? Again, I choose to believe what I'm told and I followed this path. And until I hear otherwise if there's no proof of that, I don't know. What I'm trying to say is that the answer, I believe the government has the answer with the UFO thing as well. But you know as well as I know they're not going to tell us. Yeah, I agree with you, Bill. You know what's great about all this is talking with Will, and I've been talking to Will quite a bit lately, and Wes, yourself, and Bill, you too, is we all kind of have a different perspective on it, and we all can voice our own opinions. You know, you all give your input and you have, you know, positive things to say.

It's not a big bashing here. We're not making fun of people. One thing I really like, Bill, you said going back to the paranormal thing, you had made a comment, you said that you think the paranormal paranormal is could be also a spirit and also could be a earthly being, which, you know, I've never thought about that. So it kind of opened my eyes and I'm learning every time I do a show or I talk to somebody different, I like to take a different input from different people. And, you know, I kind of like talking to Will last week, I asked him that same question. And I was like, you know, could this be paranormal? You know, Will had made several different comments, and it kind of drew me towards more off the paranormal.

But then talking to you, you kind of got me back on it again. It's exciting. It's exciting to talk to different people, and hear what they have to say. I really enjoy it. So you have no opinion. That's what you're saying. No, I have an opinion. I guess what I'm saying is, no, what I'm saying is I really appreciate Bill bringing that point out.

And also you was last year like, well, they take a dump in the woods. Well, you know, something spiritual wouldn't take a dump in the woods. You know, I made the comment after we told our, you know, about our encounter to Will last week, he said, well, you know, I had said, well, the way they move, the way they react, the way it went down on all fours. Willow is like, well, sometimes you perceive, and I'm not sure, well, exactly how you said it in the woods, that everything moves like humans do and they don't. So your first instinct is to think it's part of the paranormal. Yeah, the term is amplomorphisms. We try to impose our thinking and way of viewing things on everything non-human. So that's our expectation if something's going to do something like we would, and they really don't.

It's a learning process for me, and it's just great to have people to have a good answer and keep me thinking. Yeah, you're kind of bringing up with it. But before you go, Bill, I'm just teasing you. What, you know, I'm teasing you. I got the point, you know, we all sit and kind of listen to each other and read it. respect what each other has to say. I mean, until someone has definitive proof, it's like what Bill said, what harm does it do? But what were you saying, Bill, I didn't mean to cut you off. Oh, not a problem. I actually thought I was the one cutting out and I wanted to say, who's beeping

in on me? But what I did in the early days when I would hear these paranormal accounts, I put it in the back of my mind because I said, you know what? I'm new to this. I don't disbelieve that. I can't grasp it, comprehend, or understand it. So I'm going to put it in the back of my mind. and when I get a little more understanding about what these things are about, then I'm going to circle back and pull that egg out of my Easter basket and look at it a little closer. And that's what I would ask the people listening to the show to do is to just keep an open mind because if you, I thought of this today while I was walking into it.

Here's my expression about closed minds. Here's what a closed mind will get you. It's almost like receiving a key to a sports car. And somebody says, here, have fun, but you've got to stay in the driveway. That's not going to get you very far. Yeah, you're right. And so... Yeah, big group kind of like religion.

If you're not my religion, then we're going to have problems. It's kind of that same mentality out there. And I don't want to over generalize, but I would say most of the community is like that. You know, it's almost like different religions trying to all have the same conversation. It is fascinating. You know, there's a whole new subject that could be a spinoff of this, and that would be the psychology, behind the different behavioral responses in people. I would love to hear a psychologist explain why do people get emotional about this,

perhaps because it deals with paranormal things. We think we're the only thing on the planet on two legs and all sorts of things. And it does bring out emotions in people. It's not like we're talking about what's the difference between a mig 29 and an F-16. It's because they don't know. I think personally and myself, if there's definitive factual proof, something and you can prove it well then it's either on or off and I think that if you don't know you don't you know and you've got to back up what you

believe and that's why the emotions come in so I think something that we're well good always said to me was that you know if you want to know what somebody's about find out what their motivation for getting into the subject is you know what exactly get out of it those of us that have seen one you know that's kind of a different story you know you're sort of thrown into that situation and of course bill you've done it with the radio show and things like that But for somebody to go out there and say, well, I think I'm going to go hunt for Bigfoot, they've got to know what the ridicule factor is, and what can it do to your image personally and publicly.

So, you know, what do they think they're going to get out of getting into this? And I think that explains a lot of their behavior. There is a price to pay. One of the first things I told myself is you must not care what other people think if you're going to publicly talk about this subject. And secondly, I'm not afraid to talk about it because as a speaker, as a community, or voice actor, whatever you want to call me, I can discuss this with anybody and not come away with the black guy. I would definitely warn anybody who was going to be a smart elek about it, because that's when,

like I said earlier, I want to cut them to pieces, but I can't because I don't have enough experience at politely stating my case, especially when someone's being pissy because I'm like, oh, you want to be pissy, okay, I'm going to match you and raise you five and show you what it's like to be on the receiving end. Bill, I wanted to ask you something. Tell us about your Bigfoot stories in your recent publishing. This is a, you know, actually, I think it's turned into my favorite part of this whole ride. I don't know where the idea came.

Actually, I do know. I think the idea was given to me somehow, you know, God or the Sasquatch people. I don't know. It just occurred to me when I put the show together. I thought, you're a voice guy. You have the capability to put together a story each week that, to the best of my knowledge, no other show does. and what a great way to set yourself apart. So that's where I got the idea for the fictional Bigfoot stories,

although some of the instances in there are based on real things that have happened. And so that's what gave me the idea to do it. And then I wanted to take it a step further, and those stories are now available on Amazon.com for your Kindle and on audible.com and iTunes as audiobooks. They're short stories, three to five minutes. And I hope one day to be able to make a good income from that, And people say he's profiting from Bigfoot.

I'm like, you know what? I'm a voice guy. What do you expect? You're going to tell me what I can talk about and what I can't talk about? That's right. So those stories are, well, Tuesdays is titled Sasquatch and UFOs. And it gets pretty deep and it kind of echoes what Kiwoni was saying about the government and what they know. You yourself have told me, Will, I think about people who have gotten close have had the black cars arrive.

And people in Kiwoni's book have been called and, told drop this or else. Why would the government be interested if people weren't getting close to the truth? Yeah, the government told us that that's what we saw. The Forestry Service actually, I think it's tired of hearing me say monsters, but he flat out told Woody and I, that's what we saw. Did he? Yeah.

He talked to the fishing game told him that, yeah. Yeah, fishing game, not forestry service. The fishing game, I called them after our encounter, and I mean, neither of us really had a reference. to what we saw and I kept telling them I even hate telling the story because I sound like a moron but I kept saying you know there's monsters up there there's someone's gonna get killed and the fishing game guy told me well you guys had Sasquatch encounter and and I had told them you know well we'll take a lie

detector test he said there's no need for that West you guys have way too many details about how they move really for this to be made up and so they told us that they would take it from there and be in contact with us if they needed further information and that was the last we ever heard of it then shortly after that it's when we start getting into the Sasquatch subject it's an interesting account and I'm applauded the fish-and-game response or the game wardens response very interesting but you know fish and game in that county is very interesting when I was working that same area where west and Woody had their encounter and it's very near where I saw my second or second sighting I used to go up there

and park my car and you know west and Woody know the Washerty of the water river there's not a lot of people that go up there never really has been myself and a few people are with me one time we stopped at the snow line hiked up in the snow line a few hundred yards because we were finding tracks up there back in 87 or so i heard what sounded like somebody using a crowbar to pry into my car so me and two of the guys went running downhill and i saw this guy in regular civilian clothes next to a pickup standing next to my car of course i was fresh out of the army so my my language isn't clean wasn't clean like it is today and i started chewing this guy I'm using very few clean words,

and then I happened to glance while I was in mid-tirate at this partner in this truck while the guy was in uniform. I saw the badge, and I thought, well, if I stopped now, I'll look like an idiot. So I finished chewing on this guy. Then I proceeded to go over and chew on the guy wearing the badge. He apologized profusely, and then he says, oh, I'm sorry, Mr. Jevding, I didn't mean to upset you. And I thought, how does he know who I am?

Well, it wasn't that long before this time that a newspaper article had come out locally in the Canvas newspaper about me and my work, my group in that area. So he knew I was a bigfoot hunter. It was odd that every time I'd be, it didn't matter where it was in Skamania or Clark County, these guys were never very far away from me. And they'd always say, oh, we'll watch your truck for you, we'll do this, you know, trying to be very helpful. I'm thinking, you know, it just didn't add up. Why were they so interested in what I was doing? It's interesting what you say about, too, how do you stop in the middle of it chewing out without looking like a complete psycho? Yeah, you know, I was so used to it in the military.

It's like, well, you know, once you're in the middle of you just keep running with it, you know, and when you're done, you're done. I always got to have to come and I thought, you know what, this guy has gotten chewed, so I'm going to go chew his partner, too. That's one thing that the more public and the more visible you are about it, the government will leave you a lot of, if you're out there call blasting and doing what they are on the TV show, Finding Bigfoot. The government is not interested because I believe they had the answers, as I outlined earlier, and they're not worried about those people. But for people who have had phone tap, people who have had threatening phone calls, people who have been intimidated with the black cars, why?

You ask yourself, why is this the case? These are people who have spoken to the Sasquatch telepathically, people who have gotten to an area that is close to where the government already is. is and they don't want anybody on their turf because there's a gold mine of value in that whole business, whether it's a UFO telepathic, psychic, blah, blah, blah, because there are obvious military applications to that. You know, what's funny, Bill, is not too long ago, how long ago was it West when you and I went back up there and we saw the helicopter up there and there's the military was involved?

How long ago was that? A couple months ago or something like that? Yeah, probably two months ago. Yeah, it was probably two months ago. So when Wes and I had our encounter, you know, we've been back several times. We've, you know, checking things out and whatnot. But we went back about two years ago this month that, you know, we actually had our encounter. And we went back about two months ago, and Wes has actually been back there more recent than I have.

But the military is also involved in the area where we actually had our encounter. And when Wes and I went up there one night, there was a trailer parked up there. And I've talked about this on the show before. And I think I've told Will about it too. There was a trailer up there with a helicopter. They had several, we went driving by and they had several TVs, cameras set up inside. You could see inside this big, huge trailer thing they had up there, that a water truck up there. And then they had a camera pointing straight up in there with like a 360-degree camera.

You know, they were doing several, they were filming a bunch of stuff, and they kind of shoot us along. We had said a few things to them, and we got the feeling like we're unwelcome. And so Wes and I, after about 45 minutes to an hour going through this, we decided that it's probably that we go. And when we decided to go, I'm guessing it was probably about 1130 midnight, something like that. On the way down, coming down out of the mountain, down the road there, they had two cars actually follow us all the way down the mountain, all the way out down to the main highway, which is about a 30-minute drive. So these cars followed us for about a half hour afterwards. So it was, they definitely know something's going on.

You know, it was, West and I were, you know, we were actually kind of scared because these people were following us at a high rate of speed. I would speed up and they would speed up, you know, and this went on for quite some time. So they definitely know what's going on, something's going on, and I wish they would share it that I don't think are going to anytime soon. It's just interesting how protective they are the government is and with recent events from our government and this whole budget BS.

I've really, I'm trying to sound like an angry old man. I don't think I'm old at 49, but I've about had it up to here with the government. and as far as I'm concerned, the government can kiss my ass. I just have no use for them, and I'm sounding like an angry old man, but I just don't have any use for them. Do you yell at children to get off your lawn? You know what I do? You know what I do when I see children on my lawn?

I'll tell you what I do when I see children on my lawn. I actually live in the wood and we don't have a lawn. I tell the children to go to their science teacher and say the following, Bigfoot is real, science is wrong, deal with it. Well put. I know we're getting low on time, and I wanted to ask you, Bill, so what do you think about, and I want to play the Trent vocalizations, but what do you think about people, well, let me do this.

Let me play this for you guys real quick. It's the Trent vocalizations. Basically what it is, this guy claims to have Sasquatch around his property. These aren't night sounds. You know, most of the sounds you hear are from parabolic ears picking up recordings of Sasquatches at night. This is actually during the day, and I sent Will and Woody,

and I'll send it over to you, Bill, this YouTube video, and I also threw it up on Bigfoot hotspot radio. But what do you think, listen to these vocalizations and then tell me what you think. I cut, like, his dog barking and him walking around,

making a bunch of noise. I cut it down to just the vocalizations. But let me play this real quick for you guys. Tell me what you think. Very interesting. That was, my first thought when I heard that was what must somebody who doesn't give the,

Sasquatch, any thought think if they're in the woods and hear that. They'd be having to change their pants. I've actually... It's very similar with that, so I think that's a legitimate one. It reminds me a lot of the eumatilla sounds, didn't it? Very similar, right? Yeah, they did. That's the first thing I thought of would be eunzel sounds.

It's very interesting. It's hard to gauge volume and distance when it's a recording, but for the person there, just like the sounds I mentioned earlier, I heard them from so far off. I could only imagine what it would be like next to me, or, you know, yards, 50 yards or less, how loud that would be. It does get very loud. When we were in Yakult back in 89, 90, they were coming down off Yakult Mountain doing basically that. And it was, you know, they were only a few hundred yards away, so it was very, very loud. And it would, every dog and coyote, it would just make them crazy with an earshot.

Yeah, coyotes are, I hear a lot of the interactions with them and coyotes. I hear them out here. I was hoping that they would start their nightly chirping session while I was standing. out here and it would make great audio for the show, but they're very astute. When I walk out to the edge of my driveway, when I hear them and I walk to the edge of the driveway, they're still deep in the woods, but everything stops when I get near the road. And Will, this might be a question for you. And Bill, you kind of jogged my memory on something.

We've had several people on our previous shows that have made the comment that Bigfoot and coyotes actually hunt together or run together. Is that something that you've encountered Will? No, actually the Sasquatch hunt to coyotes. They eat them. Really? Because I've had so many people say they've, well, in the process of hearing Sasquatch or Bigfoot, that coyotes are along right with them.

And I thought that was kind of interesting. Well, the reason for that is, like I mentioned before, the state trooper, Mark Pittenger, in the Puyallel of Screamer events, how we first came on to that was, of course, you know, the Indians, and I can't remember which tribe, but the loose translation was ventriloquism for what they used, and what it really meant was they were imitating other animals. Pittinger, the state trooper, followed this line of Sasquatch, tracks. There were three Sasquatches there back in their earth. 70s. What he found, he come across this site where they were, I don't remember how many

coyotes that were just torn to pieces, you know, parts missing. What he found was these things were imitating the coyote, and they had recordings, you know, known coyote noises and the Sasquatch noises, and they were very similar, but you could tell the difference. If you knew what coyotes sounded like, they have a lot of yipping and barking and stuff, the Sasquatch noise didn't have any of that, but it was similar, the sound, and what they were doing, they would lure him in with those cries. And when they got too close, the Sasquatches would grab them in their heads against the older trees, tearing him apart and eating him. And it scared Pittenger so bad.

He said he crawled out. And he had 30 out six with him. And he crawled out on his belly hoping they wouldn't detect him being there. I remember you telling that on our show. And that was an amazing account and always more credence to it when it's told by law enforcement or military. It was interesting. And we've heard them before. I mean, you know, the area, of course, I grew up just a few miles south of the world.

was going on and saw two of those three creatures and we found tracks of all three of them there. And we would hear coyotes all the time in that area and, you know, before we knew what Bigfoot was, that there was anything different about it. But once we started listening, usually, you know, the singular one that was louder, of course, the whole packs, there were, I think, three different packs of coyotes in that area, up to 20 or 30 of them in a group sometimes and they would just go crazy. But they would respond to those singular cries. That's what they were doing.

They were hunting them. So when you hear stories, do you think that all Sasquatches are good, Bill, or do you think that there's bad ones? What's kind of your take on? There are rogues that is evident when you look at, like Teddy Roosevelt, the Wilderness Hunter, when he talks about the two prospectors. I think it was in Idaho. One of them is killed. Other accounts where I've heard that they've been killed.

Will was told by a lady that had, you know, psychic abilities. I remember him. That sticks with me forever. the one that added in for you. There are rogues, the male I talked about earlier, who killed the female. They're just like humans. You're going to have most of them play by the rules, but right place, wrong time. It might not be good to come across one.

No, I was going to say, and I hate to kind of go backwards, but we talked a little bit about as far as trying to find Bigfoot or haunt Bigfoot. And Bill, you have, and I know you touched on a little bit before earlier in the show, and you believe that they're possibly a spiritual being across with maybe being able to be here on the earth as an actual being or animal. If you were going to go out and you were going to try to capture a Bigfoot, what do you think would be the best way to go out

and capture a Sasquatch or Bigfoot beings that they're possibly interdimensional, or do you even think it's ever going to happen? I want to say I don't think it'll ever happen. one of the questions I asked Kathleen to ask the Sasquatch people were, had they ever heard of Justin Smajia, or however you say his name? Are you all familiar with the guy who claimed to have killed a couple of them not long ago? Yeah. The answer that came back from them was, yes, we know of him, and Kathleen said there was a dark shadow around him that they projected, and they said

he's in great danger if he comes looking for us, and that's all they would say about it. The thing is if somebody goes out and tries to capture or kill one, I fully believe they will be killed themselves. If you go out with evil intent, it's going to come back at you times 10, and you more than likely, I'd almost certainly say, would not live to talk about it. How he got away with it if he killed him? I don't know. I just know that I don't, time will tell. I appreciate the answer. I don't know how to really respond to that. Will, what do you think? What is your opinion on something like that? Well, again, I think it depends on which type we're talking about. If my life is in danger, and I feel like my life is in danger by a Sasquatch or Bigfoot, I'm taking them out.

It's either him or me. Yeah, absolutely. I wouldn't feel like I would have this dark shadow cast upon me if my life was in danger, I guess. No, not at all. And who wouldn't defend themselves if they could? I'd do the same thing. If one was coming after me and I had a means to defend myself, I'm not going to just hold out my hands palm facing forward and say,

kumbaya, let's dance. Yeah. Kumbaya. Yeah, because we made the comment on the last show that we don't feel like the ones that Wes and I encountered, we had made the comment, hey, there's no warm, fuzzy feeling here. I felt like it was either we were going to be a dinner or we need to get the hell out of there. On that type of case, I feel that I don't think there would be any repercussions. Some clans will not have contact with humans at all because of what we do to the environment, the way we trash it, the way we act and carry on. And no matter what you do, no matter how warm and fuzzy you try to be,

some clans will not have anything to do with us because of their disgust. And I'm sure that in the right place, right time, if one could get one of us. And there are cases of it happening. It has happened if you choose to believe the stories. I've heard several. Will and I, Will, Wes, and myself have been talking quite a bit. And we'll share several encounters with me that I've never heard before about people disappearing. Will, you talked about the plane wreck last week about how they found the plane, they found no survivors.

Where are all the people? They found the wreckage, but there was no people to be found. Same with the Clacchamus River. They say that people have drowned in the Clacchamus River, but if you're from the Vancouver, Portland, Clacchamus Esticated area, you know, the Clackamas River, you can't really drown unless you're two or three years old. If you're an adult, it's going to be pretty hard to drown. You know, you're going to wash up, you know, or you're going to survive. Yeah, the river is just not that deep. And it's not that deep.

It's a fast-moving river, and it's colder than hell. But, you know, I mean, you're not going to, I don't think it's something that's going to take a full-grown adult person and kill them and wash them away and never be found. I just don't see it happening. Yeah, I know we're getting low on time. Go ahead, Wood. I got two last things I want to go over, but go ahead, Wood. I was just going to say, you know, Bill, talking to you a little bit earlier, you were talking to West and you're talking about a Christian and whatnot, and I don't know if I should bring up biblical stuff, but I'll do it anyways. I don't know if you're familiar with the book of Enoch at all, or have you heard about it?

Yeah, I've really devoured that book and bought into it and still buy into it, although Kiwoni and his book, The Psychic Sasquatch and their Interdimensional Connection said that the guy in that book came out a year later and said it's all false. And I don't quite believe that. I disagree with Kiwoni on that. With the detail he describes and the incidences, there's no mention of psychic. That's what gets me. And one thing I wanted to get in right quick was what confuses me is that when I do hear accounts that I choose to believe there's no mention of psychic.

And as deep as that guy got with those people, there's never a mention of any psychic phenomenon, no disappearing. It's all quite normal. And that makes it even more confusing for me. But I love the book, ate it up. I guess my question to you then would be you might be familiar with the Nephlin. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think that Bigfoot might be part of the Nephlin? I'll tell you why I believe no, and I don't want to sound like Kiwoni's book is my Bible,

but it's touched me in a way that's hard to describe. He left a pen and paper in the woods for them to write thoughts down, and he has it in his book. In that book, they say, we are not evil spirit. We are not Nephilim. We are of God. We are your older brother, and it's in broken English, and written very, almost like a third grader, would write. That's a great question you bring up, and one that I've wrestled with. and I think I found the answer when I read that book, especially when I chose to believe

that it was in their own words, you know, straight from the horse's mouth. No insult intended. Yeah, you know, that's something I've also struggled with, too. Wes and I kind of started reading it a few years ago, and it was, you know, and it was actually before our encounter, and, you know, they speak in the book Yevnok about the Nephlam and the giants and the spirits that were casted down, and they, you know, made it with women, women here on earth. And I don't know what to think about it, really, to be honest with you.

I don't know if there's a connection or not. I really don't know. Here's what they say, and this runs right smack in the middle of my Christian beliefs, so you can imagine what this is like for me to try to swallow. But what they say is that they were seated here long before us, that they were brought here by aliens, ETs, brought here, and helped in the seeding of us, and that we're newer. they're older. They've been here a lot longer, but you can imagine what, that would go over like a

fart in church. If I tried to explain to a Christian who believes the Bible, I'm more of a spiritual person and as far as my relationship with God and don't spend hardly any time in the Bible. It doesn't mean I don't believe in God, but that's what they say happened. And so that, you know, take it as you want to take it, but it in some circles would be very controversial, but you know, why God's not going to punish me for seeking the truth is what I always come back to. No, and I agree with you. I agree with you there too. I'm glad you've voiced your opinion. A lot of people would, you know, not do that. Like I said, I'm still in the learning process. I'm fairly near to this. I have, you know, I'm open-minded and I appreciate your input,

though. I really do. No problem. It's fun to put yourself out there, and because I don't have to do business in my local community, I can talk about it. You know, as a voice guy, I do stuff all over the nation and I never meet my client, so I've got some safe harbor there. If I had to do business in the community, I'd be a whole lot quieter about it. I know we're running short on time, and I want to ask Bill this last two things, and Will and Woody. I just sent this to you guys, too. Did you guys see that tricopter film of the Bigfoot in this Ohio's Salt Fork State Park? It's actually a pretty good video. So this guy's flying around this helicopter. I think it's a helicopter. They call that tricopter, but he's flying it back and forth, back and forth, and he's

right on this wood line. And as he comes back for another turn, and the camera on is, I was kind of shocked how actually, it's like an HD camera almost, but he's flying this thing around. And as he turns the tricopter, and it points down because he's trying to like go in, he's trying to do these tricks going between trees and see how low he can get. It kind of looks like, I mean, it's a blob squatch, don't get me wrong, but it's just kind of a weird spot for a person to be, and it's all black. But I'll throw it up on Facebook. But if you get a chance to check that out, I don't know if you, you know, how much you're into, but I would say 99% of the videos and stuff out there are complete garbage, but I just thought this was kind of cool.

This isn't even a bigfoot guy. He was just flying around, checking out his video, and he went back and he thought, and he was like, what the heck is that? Clear enough to where, you know, you don't need the red circle. It made me think, you know, we're jumping $400,000 into the Falcon Project, and here this guy's flying around this little tricopter with a camera on it. Anyway, that's enough about knocking the Falcon Project. Well, and the one thing I keep hearing in my communication with those who claim to talk to them is that you cannot sneak up, you cannot outsmart your heart and your intentions have to be in the right place for them to come to you.

And then if you turn around and go to the public with proof, you have betrayed them. And it's all over for you, not literally, but it's very tricky. It's almost like a double-edged sword, and that's what leads me to believe that perhaps as unpopular as this opinion may be that the mystery is not. not meant to ever be solved and may never be solved. I can be wrong, but I just get a feeling that this is the way it's supposed to work, and unless we advance in the next 50,000 years to be able to do what they do, we'll still be where we are. You don't make this something that's going to happen, and I ask, you know,

we've interviewed a lot of people. One of the questions I like to ask them is you don't believe that we're going to actually have an answer to what Bigfoot or Sasquatch is in our lifetime. I mean, you obviously said 50,000 years, so I guess that would be a no. I don't think so in our lifetime. I was watching a wonderful UFO program the other night. John Kennedy, one month before he was assassinated, wrote NASA wanting to get to the bottom of the UFO thing. And he was assassinated a month later.

I'm not saying that that's why he got assassinated, but he was going to be one of the first presidents to say, damn it, pull the curtain back and let's get to the bottom of this. Well, it cost him his life. So presidential power couldn't even crack the cloak of secrecy. And if the government does have the answer, especially if there's a Bigfoot alien connection, they're going to go to great lengths to guard that and not let that get out because it would upset the social structure from science to religion to, you know, all sorts of things. No, I don't know if you have anything for Bill Will. The only last thing I want to talk about was the Arang Pindek project, you know, that Cliff Brockman is doing.

Now, do you think that the orang Pindek is the same thing as Bigfoot, just a smaller version bill? Or what's your take on that? I don't know a whole lot about it. I think if I were just to take as uneducated to guess as I could, my first thought would be that maybe it's something like the Minnesota Iceman, the Chinese era, and I just don't know that much about it. So, you know, it's like when people get a photograph or they sneak up or they're sitting there saying in a report, if they watch this creature for 15 minutes, well, how can it be psychic if they were able to watch it for 15 minutes and not see them? So, you know, it's just a, I wish I knew more about that, but it's one of the least known areas of this for me as far as knowledge.

No, and that's all right. I mean, it was the least known for me. What do you think? Well, basically the Arring Pendek, I'm sure you already know what it is, but it's a shorter version of, I think it's what, about three feet tall, two to three feet tall? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it's, you know, my thought, you know, when you guys were talking about that was, okay, why go to China and look for something when you're supposed to be looking for something right here?

You know what I mean? It's too easy to get scattered all over the place. No, you're right. You're absolutely right. I mean, you know, just sitting in one spot and focus. Yeah. We got a few minutes left, and Will, I wanted to ask you the same question and then I asked Bill, and I already know what your answer is going to be, but I want to hear you tell me anyways,

if you would. Do you think that we are going to become, do you think that we'd be able to see a Sasquatch or figure out what he is or what Bigfoot is within our lifetime? And if so, we're the best steps to find out how to do that. My thoughts are, of course, based on a lot of years of experience in the field, the Sasquatches that I've looked for are more animalistic. So my opinion has been evolving much towards the direction of there being multiple species. And I think there's plenty of evidence for that.

but the ones I'm looking for, the ones that I saw, and the same one you guys saw. And I think that we can collect the right evidence and prove that they're real. I mean, if nothing else, the burial sites, and I know where a number of those are, and it only would take one tooth to prove the existence, and it would be a done deal. Amen to that. Yeah, we might, we'll call Operation Grave-Digger, but we might do a little recon on that this weekend, Will. Okay. You know, like I said, you know, it's just a matter of, I mean, you go pull up one of those piles,

and you find a single tooth, and that's it. That's all the proof there has to be, you know, you don't have to have a whole body. It's done. Yeah, that'd be the way to prove it. Yeah, that would be the ideal way to prove it, too. Yeah, Will said that on my show before, too, and I do agree that if you could get to one now, can you get out of there without being ripped in half? You know, it's what about the Smithsonian?

Haven't they received bones and such that get conveniently lost? I've heard accounts of that, and why would they do that? that being? Well, let me tell you this. A lot of times in the universities, I know when I first went to college, I worked in the archaeology department. My buddy Ron and I volunteered to work in the lab. I thought it would be interesting to do that. And basically what we did was process specimens. When you work on an archaeological dig, you know, you go through, you dig a test pit or whatever pit you're working on, it's a one meter square pit, and you're going down 10 centimeters at each interval, and you just bag and number the materials.

You know, it goes back to the lab, it gets cleaned, processed, numbered, stuck in a bag or a box, and it's put away until somebody, whoever decides to come along at a later time and take an interest in that material to study and write a paper. Otherwise, it just sits cataloged, and there's just tons and tons of material in universities all over the country, probably the world in exactly the same way. Unless it really stuck out as something different, it could sit there for 100 years or more and nobody would ever take a second look at it. Plenty of examples, you know, things that were collected, you know, 200 years.

ago. There was a story and I don't remember what year exactly, you want to say 1830s, you know, a couple of bodies, bones were collected by some locals, sent it to some doctor, and of course you know what doctors were like in the 1830s. You know, and it was in John Green's book, in fact the story was called a rare specimen or something like that, but they sent this person the bones, nothing was ever heard or done with it. And this has gone on for many, many years, occasionally, you know, where bones are found or partially decomposing corpse, either the people who found them didn't know what to do with it, were disgusted by it, took a portion of it,

and then the bones later disappeared. You know, I don't know how many times I've seen these kinds of stories and talk to people who've had these situations happen. I mean, even footprint casts. I know of old-timers, you know, up around Mount Rainier, who found Bigfoot casts when they were logging. They cast the tracks and cement. You know, when the old-timer died, you know,

when this one story, in fact, the wife threw the cast away. You know, this kind of stuff happens. everybody's on the edge of their chair when it comes to Bigfoot, you know, whoever's interested, you know, they're sort of allowed, you know, their interest, and then when that person is no longer there, then the stuff is thrown away. Same with the university stuff sits there. People don't know what it is. I even found a bear skeleton one time, which is extremely rare. I took it into a friend of mine who was a bone expert, and he never could figure out what it was. I finally had to tell him it was a bear. It had to been up to him. It would have been

stuffed in a box and put away somewhere. Where did you find a beer skeleton, just out of curiosity? It was up towards Enum Claw. Oh, wow. Yeah, that is... Actually, I didn't find it. A friend of mine found it, who was a big-time outdoorsman. Here's the interesting part about that.

Number one, it was in an area of Sasquatch activity. In fact, not far from the two elk, I told you about, they were dismembered by two Sasquatches, I mean, within just a couple of miles. And the bear carcass was completely untouched by either dogs and nearby farms or coyotes. It was exactly intact, no skin or any. there, just the bones, the snout was crushed into its skull. So I mean, to me, without knowing directly, there was only one thing that could have killed it, in my opinion, in that manner.

Yeah, that's, unless Woody hit it in the face. I mean, I can't think of anything else besides the big part. Well, yeah, that could be. He's a pretty big guy. Well, it could have suffered the effects of that Taco Bell 5-layer burrito. Yeah. A little too close. It could have been that too well.

I do have a sick sense of humor, and I do, I'm trying to work up the nerve to ask Kathleen, who's a close friend, to ask him when she goes into sacred space if their farts are as obnoxious as some humans I know, but I just can't bring myself to do that. I think it's a valid question. I think so, too. Well, yeah. We've taken a really excited. Oh, my.

Inquiring minds want to know. Well, if you think that's bizarre, there's everything out there. I guess what I'm trying to say, it's an amazing world we live in. There are still many more secrets that may or may not ever be revealed, and I'm glad that we don't have all the answers. It makes it interesting. And one thing we can all agree on is that there is something out there. This is not mass hallucination.

It's not misidentification. There is something out there, and it's a fascinating world. For those people who don't care about Sasquatch or UFOs, I'm thinking, you know, are you happy watching Revolution on TV as that the extent of your excitement? Actually, I love Revolution for what it's worth. I do, too. I eat it out. My wife got me hooked on it.

I'd just seen watch all the animal shows and the big cat, snakes, and whatnot. But when I got married, I started having to watch some shows, and I've really fallen in love with Revolution, but it's an amazing world we live in, and I guess if, and I try to keep my answers short so we can all have time to speak. It's just for those listening, keep an open mind and remember we haven't seen it all, and if you want to put that paranormal aspect of Sasquatch in the back of your mind, put it in the back of your mind, just don't discard it.

Well put. So we're out of time. I want to thank Bill Lee from Inspired by Bigfoot on every Tuesday evening at 7 p.m. central time. You can also find them at iTunes and at Inspired by Bigfoot. Q4D.net. Bill, your calling number for your show is 347-996-5242, so I'll be listening on Tuesday. But I want to thank you for coming on. Hey, not a problem.

And we appreciate the conversation. This has been a lot of fun, and it's given me a chance to turn around and be the interviewee instead of the interviewer. And just ask everybody again to keep an open mind, I don't come on here trying to make people mad or to present an alternative view because I've got nothing better to do with my time. I just feel a real strong tug that what I'm hearing, that there's truth to it. And that way, if somebody sees something or experiences that down the road, it might lessen the shock if they've heard about it beforehand. Appreciate coming on, Your views. Good deal.

Well, thank you all. I've had a ball and look forward to talking to you again on and off the air, and we'll also set up to have you guys come on the show, and we'll see what we can get into and talk about one of the most fascinating subjects to come along in a long time. Thanks again, Bill. Weeping across the country faster than the coronavirus and Wagering Week is your antidote. I'm Tom Barton and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand.

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