Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:302 I've never seen anything so powerful and agile

Episode Date: February 26, 2017

I will be welcoming several guests to the show tonight who have encountered Sasquatch, including Shawn who writes "Hello Wes, I've been very reluctant to share my encounter with people due to the fact that people may think I am lying to them, or looking for attention. After listening to your show every single night for the past year, I still have not heard any encounters quite like mine. I'd rather tell you this over the phone, but I'll give you a brief summary via email. A few years back, I was living in a rural area called Burnt Ranch, about 22 miles east of Willow Creek CA off of highway 299. The time was about 830 pm give or take a little, the sun was starting to set behind the ridge line. I was driving behind another truck about 6 or 7 miles past Salyer CA headed home on 299 when all of a sudden a huge creature literally jumped from a hillside and landed on the road, the truck in front of me literally slammed on his breaks in attempt to avoid a collision with what I thought was a bear at first glimpse. I also had to slam on my breaks to avoid rear ending the truck in front of me. I had a perfect view of the whole encounter. As the creature landed on the road, I saw it turn its head and looked right at us. This thing reacted so fast, it was so fast….I've never seen anything so powerful and agile…anyways, it looked right at us as it landed on the road and at that moment this thing stood up on 2 feet, bent down like a human would who is just about to perform a backflip, and made the most incredible jump into the air, it jumped backwards and stretched its body out in full extension, as it stretched its arms above its head, I could see its whole body in full detail, at this moment I knew I was not looking at a bear..."

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I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun.

And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

Uh-uh. You're listening to Sasquatch Crime. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Sunday night.

Gosh, I can't believe this week. This week's gone by fast, hasn't it? Is it just me or has this week gone by really fast? Maybe it's just me. Thanks for being here tonight. I got a great show plan for you. tonight. I'm going to be speaking to a witness who was very close to one of these creatures as he's heading down the road. He lives near Willow Creek, and I know it's not far from where the

Patterson-Gimwood film was actually taken, but he had a very interesting encounter. The creature was crossing the road, and he describes how it moves. And the moment I read this, I put it up on the blog. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can actually read the full account. And as I was reading it, I was like, gosh, this guy's seen it. He has way too many details about the way they move and how they move. And I just thought it was a very interesting encounter. And I'm so glad he decided to come on the show. My second witness will actually be talking about hunting down in East Texas.

He's near the Louisiana border. And he's actually had three encounters. Very interesting stuff down there. And it's hard to get people to talk down in that area. They're usually very tight-lipped. their encounter, so I'm very happy to have them on the show. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member, get additional shows. There's merchandise you can purchase, a daily blog, a lot of good stuff. So if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Before we jump into the show tonight, I want to welcome an author to the show. Aaron, welcome to the show. How are you tonight? I'm doing great.

Great. And I know Aaron is the author, Aaron Thomas, is the author of The Wailing Woods. It's a fiction book you can actually buy on Amazon. And, Aaron, tell us about the book. What can people expect when they read it? Well, I've written several books over the last 12 months. And a lot of my fans and followers were saying, you should consider writing a Sasquatch book.

And so as I move forward with the idea, I decided to use Facebook. And a lot of the followers that were on there actually helped me with creating the title of the book and naming some of the main characters. But overall, all my books, they all seem to have a common theme, which is basically, you know,

to explore, things that maybe we've never really seen before or, you know, Sasquatch fits that perfectly. You know, a lot of us haven't seen Sasquatch or you may have heard Sasquatch outside our homes, but at this point, I wanted to create a book that not only a 14-year-old would enjoy, but even folks in their 60s would also enjoy. And basically the plot of the book is basically a small town in Washington State called Goldbar, the Wenatchi National Forest is plagued with these really weird occurrences happening. And the mayor has to figure out why are people becoming up abducted or even murdered in this really small podunk town.

And so he seeks the advice of some Native Americans, and they lead him to the idea that it could be a Sasquatch trying to harm their city. And, you know, behind the scenes, the mayor is actually putting in a pipeline from the Dals all the way up to Abbotsford. And, you know, he's mad at several protests and things that you might have saw with the Dakota Access Pipeline and all the last few months. And so, you know, it's a really different story on Saskatch. It was supposed to be a horror book at the beginning, but it turned out to be more like a book you would see. when you read Twilight or any of those other really supernatural types of books. Yeah, and for the audience, again, the book is called The Wailing Woods. You can get it on Amazon and other retailers.

Aaron, I wanted to ask you, what was your influence on creating a book like this? What did you look to when you were gathering information trying to create this book? When I was 14 years old, I had an uncle of mine who has passed away, since then, who was the sheriff of the Lummi Nation. That's the tribe I'm from. And he sat me down one time and pushed play on this little recorder that he had in his hand. And he said, listen to this.

And it was, you know, the sound that we have all heard, the high-pitched sound of something between a monkey and a woman screaming. And, you know, ever since that day, it changed my life because before that I hadn't even really thought about Sasquot. which we've all joked about it when we were kids. Like my mom would even say, you better be, you better be good or else I'm going to feed you a Sasquatch. And so, you know, over the years, you know, there's all kinds of, you know, tales of my tribal members had, you know, walking through the woods or walking towards the river and seeing a Sasquatch. and so, you know, again, when I put out the idea that I was putting out this book,

I had several tribal members, you know, give me two or three different, you know, versions of their story of how they saw Sasquatch. And I decided to use a little bit of those stories, not all of them, but some of them are used in the book. And again, I've never seen Sasquatch myself, but, you know, I've got folks that will swear to the fact that they've seen them. What does your tribe believe that Sasquatch is? You know, every tribe has their meaning of Sasquatch and what is Sasquatch to them.

And for Lummi, you know, it varies. You have some folks that are just really eerily afraid of a Sasquatch. And if they hear weird sounds out in the woods, you know, in their back porch, they run back inside. some people believe that Sasquatch is actually a friend and, you know, has a different, you know, completely opposite meaning than what you see on TV or have read. And so, you know, it just varies. I mean, it's like, it's like what's the meaning of God, you know, it's kind of the same kind of feeling, at least here at Lummey.

And but, you know, for the most part, I would, if I had to, you know, tip it to one side or the other, I would say most of us believe that here at Lummey that Sasquatch is a friend. Yeah, no, I hear you. In the book that you're, again, it's called the Whaling Woods, I'm always fascinated when someone writes a book like this, because I always think, you know, the fiction part of it I get, but a lot of times truth is stranger than fiction. Did you, did you look into some strange occurrences or people disappearing and kind of get some inspiration off of that? Every one of my books, I do several hours of research, mostly online. And, you know, I've had to sat down with some tribal members, too, that asked me to come talk to them about,

about their experiences with Sasquatch. And for the most part, I don't like to use specific examples of what they've seen or anything like that, because it's, you know, really trying to I gain a better creative experience through the reader's eyes, you know. And so when you read my book, you'll see that some of the stories that come through it, leave it up to the reader to figure out what kind of happened at that moment. And, you know, from each from moment to moment. So I say yes and no. I did use a little bit of occurrences that other people had seen, but then I also didn't.

And again, I just, it's, I really wanted to write this book that was completely different than what we've ever seen before when it comes to Sasquatch. And, you know, I think I'm definitely, the readers have told me that I accomplished that. Yeah, I can't wait to check it out. Again, it's Aaron Thomas, the Whaling Woods on Amazon. Aaron, thanks again for coming on. I sincerely appreciate you. And, yeah, I hope you guys, I'm actually writing story number. Number two, it's a three-book trilogy, so I'm in Chapter 5 right now.

Thanks, Aaron. Thanks a lot. And again, the book is called The Whaling Woods. It's on Amazon. Aaron Thomas, if you get a chance, check it out. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Sean to the show. Sean, thanks for coming on tonight.

Thanks, Les. It's my pleasure. And you had an interesting encounter back in 2014 in California. if you would for the audience, just kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what you were out doing and walk us into the encounter. Like we were just talking about it, it's probably one of the most fascinating encounters I've heard someone talk about. But go ahead, Sean. What were you out doing and what did you run into?

I was eastbound on Highway 299, which is, you know, comes from out of Humboldt County into Trinity County, California. And I was coming back from Willow Creek, headed towards my house, which was in Burr. ranch. And I was following this truck. You know, we were just kind of cruising around about 45 miles per hour going through the corners because it's a really windy road. And it's, it goes through the middle of absolutely nowhere. If you look it up on the map, you can see there's nothing around out there. And so, yeah, I wasn't thinking anything of it, just driving on my road, driving home. And next thing you know, out of the brush line off his really steep Hill King, what I thought at first

was a bear, and it jumped onto the road, and I thought, oh, no, you know, like, this guy's going to hit this bear, and he slammed on the brakes, and I slammed on my brakes, we came about skitting right up to it. I personally thought he hit it. I thought this thing was done, because we're both in

full-sized trucks, and the next thing you know, I see this thing bend over as it looked over at us, and I could see, like, an expression on its face, like, it messed up. Like, he looked at us and said, Uh-oh. And it made this, it bent down and it jumped backwards and it extended its arms up.

And at this point I can see its feet. I can see toes. I could see a kneecaps, inner thigh, muscles, all up its chest, and hair blowing in the wind. And I thought, man, this thing's going to do a backslip. What the heck? And then all of a sudden, instead of doing a backslip, it kind of did this twist in the air and it was looking down. And this thing easily got 15, 20 feet into the end. here. I couldn't even say anything. I couldn't even be like, I think I couldn't even say wow.

I was just, my mouth was probably open. Like, what the heck am I seen? And this thing reached up, like I said, it grabbed the hill. And as they grabbed the hill with the hands in full extension, as its body kind of came in for another thrust, its feet hit the hill and then like an explosion. It just jumped up and again just exploded off that hill and just flew into the brush line. gone. And I knew what I'd saw at that point. Like I said, I saw his face. It was like a charcoal skin color. Like, I've never

seen a bear with a face like that or even move like that. I've grown up in those hills, hunted them my whole life. Yeah, it was definitely not a bear. 100% sure it was not a bear. This thing had to weigh around 7, 800 pounds. It was huge. When it was body was fully

extended in the air, it had to have been 13 foot long from head to tell. And anyways, yeah, I got up in his truck, you know, I thought he was going to stop, you know, out of like, you know, going what the heck. And I was kind of wishing he would. I wish he would have pulled over so we could kind of run ideas by each other like what we just saw. But I think he was a little too freaked out.

I don't think he wanted to pull over on the side of the road. He kept going. I followed him for a few miles and hoping he would pull over, but he never did. I'm trying not to leave out any details here. No, you're doing fine. Can you describe for the audience what you saw? What did the face look like? What the body looked like?

How would you describe it to someone that's never seen one? The face, it looked kind of narrow compared to its body, I want to say, almost like at least the forehead, it looked a little narrow. But it was wide-faced. I couldn't quite make out any eyes or anything in close detail like that because I think my mind was trying to comprehend everything that I saw from how high it jumped to the feet, the kneecaps to the fingers and toes. I mean, hair blowing in the way. My mind is trying to take in all these details within, I want to say, three seconds, maybe five seconds.

It was about how long that encounter was. So it was hard for me to get a bunch of details, but I can tell you that the hair color was like a red color. It had to be around five to six inches in length all over its body. I mean, everywhere. The only place I could tell that I could. I could see much air. It was on the bottom of its feet.

I could see the soles of its feet. The inside of its inner thigh looked a little bald. Like there wasn't a bunch of hair on the inside of the thigh. I could see a bunch of muscle. And that's mainly what stood out to me with fingers, toes, kneecaps, thigh, and then just a ripped stomach. Like, this thing had muscle. And just that it was so agile.

It went up that hillside so graciously like there was nothing, but I've never seen anything with so much speed and power. It's one of those things to where you would think something that size wouldn't be able to move like that. And they do. They move like nothing else on this planet. I mean, they don't really, when they're moving like that, they don't move like a person, they don't really move like a bear. They don't even really move like an ape. It's kind of hard to describe, wouldn't you say?

Yeah, I would say exactly that. Because when it came onto that hill, it was on all fours. It came off that hill on all fours, and it jumped onto the road on all fours, but then it stood up, like I said, and it did this jump like a human wood. I want to say it was, yeah, it was like a mixture of like an ape and a human, like a hybrid I wanted to think, you know. Never quite, I do hear stories about big flips, you know, growing up out here your whole life, but you never really think, oh, you know, yeah, they're right out here. You still run into one if you run off into the hills because, like I said, I go into the words all the time. Mushroom picking and hunting. I never ran into anything, so I wasn't really worried about them.

But, you know, after that day when I came jumped on the hills, within, after five seconds of an encounter, I knew exactly what I saw. When it jumped into the air, you know, it was just, that was basically my main encounter. It was hitting the road doing this crazy jump into the air, clearing the truck, and then doing this twist in the air. Like, when he jumped, he was facing in the sky. His head was looking up into the sky. And I don't know how he twisted over.

And the next thing, you know, he was looking down. And as he hit that hill, you know, he just looked up and he was gone. That was, and that was about the only thing I can tell you about that encounter, you know. Everyone's seen the Patterson Gimlin film compared to the figure, the creature that's in that film compared to what you saw. What are some of the differences or was it pretty much like that creature? or was there anything that you noticed? Yeah, I can definitely relate to that. I've seen that film a lot,

and the one on the Patterson film seemed like it was wider and thicker. Like, I want to say older. I think what I saw was younger, more like it might have been a teen or maybe, you know, maybe 15, 20 years old, I'm guessing. It was thin, like it seemed skinnier than that one, but it was full of muscle. It didn't look like he was. starving or anything. He just looked like an athlete. It looked like most incredible in-shaped

athlete I've ever seen with just a ton of hair. So, I mean, the Patterson Gindlin film, yeah, that one, I want to say that looked like an out-of-shape big foot compared to the one that I saw. The one that I saw looked like it would probably, you know, mess that one up. I want to say the one I saw was really mean-looking, man. It was in shape. Yeah, and I would tend agree with you. I mean, even my own encounter, I said the same thing. the one that I saw was way more built than what you see in that film. When I look at the Patterson Gimlin film, I kind of think of a sloppy old woman. It didn't have the definition of the one I saw.

The one I saw looked like you had done way too many steroids for way too long. I've been lifting weights its whole life. I mean, that's really the only way I can describe it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I agree. I agree 100%. That one, the Patterson, yeah, that one looked like it was not in that good shape. But I mean, I'm sure that thing would probably blow my mind, too, if I've seen it move and if it wanted to.

Because that one, you know, it's just walking. And it's covering about, what, seven miles per hour as it's just kind of walking, which is incredible. Yeah. And like I said, I mean, they do move like exactly the way you describe them. I've talked to many witnesses that have the same description of them moving. And so, I mean, unless you've seen it, it's, you know, it's, you definitely saw something because I've heard other witnesses talk about that. and I even know they move like no other creature on this planet. It's just so hard to describe to someone.

And I thought you did a good job describing what you saw and how it moved. Now, you had mentioned other encounters you've had. And I was reading your email. You were even talking about, you heard two creatures talking back and forth. Do you mind telling us about that? That's one that was actually wanting to really talk to you about because that was really recent. That happened in December, 2016, just recently. I was with a friend.

We were up Chantrell Mushroom Picking up in Delanoor County, California. I don't know if you ever heard of Hayuchi, California, off of 199. I haven't, no. Okay, it's another really rural area. There's nothing there. And anyways, we were picking, and we kind of spread out. And he was on, like, a different hill than I was, and I was kind of, I don't know, we were about 200 yards away from each other.

And I was, you know, I was going through some thick brush trying to get underneath and get my mushrooms. And I'm trying to make noise. I'm not trying to sneak up on nothing. You know, I wasn't trying, I wasn't big sweating on. I was just, I was making noise. Because the last thing I want to do is come up on a black bear with some cuffs and surprise them and get attacked. So I'm kind of making my way through. You know, I did a few claps and I'm whistling around.

And next thing you know, I'm taking a mushroom. And then I kind of stand up. I start walking, kind of coming up on this little knoll before I can get to the top of this knoll. So it's on the other side of it. I heard this loud snap, like a snap. And then this tree just started coming down. I could hear it and just went, boom, right like 50 yards on the other side of the hill from me.

And I thought, holy, wow. Thank God that scene didn't fall on me. And what the heck would it cause that thing? Because there was no wind, nothing. There was a slight rain that was cold, but there was no wind. It was just wet and cold. And whatever made that tree come down, I instantly thought of my encounter on Highway 299 what I saw.

I was like, oh, boy, you know, something, that tree didn't fall on its own, you know. So I kind of got a little spooked. So I stood there, and I didn't move, and I just kind of waited for my friend to say anything. He didn't say anything back. I thought he'd be hollering or something to see if I was okay. But as I'm sitting there waiting, you know, I want to say 20, seconds go by, I'm still standing there, and next thing you know, I hear something above me. It made a noise, and I'll do my best to mimic it.

I hope I sound like a fool or anything, but, yeah, this is what I heard. I heard, I thought, oh, man, what is making that noise? And then next you know, down below me about 60 yards, I hear the same thing. And I'm like, what in the heck is whooping? I've heard a whooping before, but I've never heard no. And it was so clear. Like these things were making some noises and they were communicating back and forth. Well, I thought, you know what?

I'm going to back out of here. I'm not going to run or nothing. I just took my time. I just started walking back and following the way I came in. And as I'm walking my way trying to look to my friend, I noticed that these things are still talking. They're following me. As I was moving, one was staying above me and the other one standing below me. They were staying right on me.

Basically, I think they were escorting me kind of out, like basically talking and like saying, And here he is. You know, I felt like they were saying he's right here. Okay, do you see him? Yeah, he's over here. That's what I felt like. They were telling the other, you know, they were telling each other where I was at. And so I finally see my friend, and I tell up to him, you know, I come walking up to him.

I look at him. He's just standing there. And he's just standing there. And he's listening to. I said, hey, what do you think that is? After I got up to me, he said, I have no idea. I said, well, I think I have a pretty good idea. I didn't say, you know, big foot or nothing, but I said, I think it's time to go.

because we didn't have a gun. We didn't have any kind of self-protection or pepper spraying or nothing. And so what we did is we just kind of walked slowly, you know, just kind of, we didn't run. Like I said, last thing I ever want to do is run just in case something gets a wild instinct of chase. So we just walked out of there. And the whole time, we had about a 3,850-yard walk back up the hill towards my truck up on a dirt road. And the whole time, I was hearing this just, they were talking. I mean, there was no doubt in my mind.

We were being followed, and they were talking, and I let me tell them know exactly what we were doing. So we got back to my truck, we hopped in, and we left. I've never gone back. I don't really have a desire to go back, because what I saw on Highway 299, I don't think a 45 or even a shotgun is going to do anything to these things,

and it would take a lucky shot to even get a kill shot if you had to, I would just be afraid of something coming at me with that kind of speed that I saw. I don't know. I wouldn't want it coming after me. I can tell you that much. You know what's fascinating about that is I've actually spoken with other people, and it won't even recently. We were talking about the chatter, hearing the chatter. And it was a hunter I spoke to a couple months ago. And he said, you know, it really wasn't a chatter. He didn't hear them talking back and forth. But what his impression was is they were clicking their teeth. and popping their mouth.

And almost like they were, but he said the other creature was doing the same thing. They were talking back and forth. But it wasn't really a language. It was more of teeth clacks and a pop of the mouth. And you're also right. You know, when you come across one of these things and you take a shot, you better have a good shot. Because you're going to be in trouble if you don't put one down. I think you're in real trouble if you don't get your lucky shot.

If you're in a position where you have to shoot one. And I wanted to ask you, though, what do you think that these creatures are? You saw the one come across the road, and you saw how it moved. What do you think that these things are? Well, exactly what these things are, other than a beast. It's a beast. They can be considered as a monster. There literally are monsters in the woods.

I mean, I'm not saying they're out to kill and hunt you, but with power and agility like that, it's definitely a beast that human beings don't want nothing to do with, I don't care what kind of a shot you are or how great of a hunch you are. If one of these things wants to get you, they will. And, you know, I'm glad that they haven't come up me,

you know, come after me like that. But I think that it's, I know I saw a big foot. It was a big foot. And a lot of times I've thought to myself, you know, what would happen if, An alien, if you believe in aliens, came down and gene spliced, like, some kind of animal like a gorilla or an ape. And then gene spliced, you know, some humans, and then combined it. Maybe way back in a day and created some kind of hybrid being.

I mean, that's an idea that I ran through my head several times. Because where do these things come from? where do they live and how come we don't have more encounters? They're obviously smarter than what people get excited for. It's one of those things that's hard to answer. You know, I mean, you could be right. That's why I like to ask people their perspective on what they think these things are. And you're right.

I mean, it's hard to place it somewhere because even our known primates don't move like these things move. And I've had a lot of people on the show and describe it a lot, how you describe it. You know, when I came out with my own encounter, people laughed at me and they said, well, these things can't jump 15 to 20 feet. And that's what we saw. And, you know, I was like, well, I don't know what to tell you. That's what we saw. And so I think when we see that, it's so hard to try and put that in a box, you know, of something we know. And it's so far outside of our comfort zone. It's hard to get your mind around these things and how they move and what they're. do and what are they? But, you know, people see them all the time. Yeah, and I believe it. I mean, I feel lucky that I got a glimpse of one, even in the daytime, and thank God I was in my truck, moving, you know. Yeah, I've actually had another kind of an encounter similar to that tree almost fallen near me in Delano County. I was in up in Trinity County. Like I said, in Burnt Ranch, I had my own little trail down to the Trinity River, and I'd follow it, and I'd hike down the river,

and I'd try to, you know, do some fish watching because I used to, like, you know, fish for steelhead. So I'd go down there, and I'd wait for the salmon steel to come up the rivers and, you know, and let my neighbor know when, hey, you know, the fish are in, let's go get them, you know. So one day I went down on the Trinity River, and I was, I walked, I don't know, maybe three or four miles downriver, maybe even further than that, give or take little. and there's a spot called Graves Falls, and that's off of, that's in Trinity County,

off of Highway 299, kind of maybe a mile or so down into the ravine, and there's nothing out there, absolutely nothing. It was kind of, I loved it like that. I liked being out in the middle of nowhere, and I was sitting there on a rock.

I wasn't even fishing. I was just sitting there and kind of, you know, sitting there having a beer, really, watching for the salmon and, you know, across the river, all of a sudden, same thing. I heard a loud,

and snap. And I can hear the tree. It was right across the river in the brushline. It fell. And it just, I thought, well, what in the heck did that? Same thing. It was a nice, beautiful day. It was had to be 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

It was about 85, 90 degrees. And no wind. Just a perfect, beautiful day. And that tree came smack and falling down. And I thought, whoa. But I sat there and just waited like, oh, I wonder what did that. I waited, maybe five minutes, not even that. three minutes, and then next thing I know, here come a log that had to weigh about, I don't know,

three to five hundred pounds. I think that log got tossed out of the brush line in it and hit the river bar right across for me. I watched the log hit the river bar, and I thought, well, what in the heck throw the five, three to 500 pound log? It threw it out of the brush line. And that freaked me out. I did have a 45 on me that day.

And the only reason I had it is because I've had bear come right up on me on that river bar thinking, you know, hey, what's this guy? We got some fish because, you know, yeah, I've killed many fish right there. So I think the bear would come down there and get those guts and eat them. But I didn't have no fish that day. But, yeah, after some bear coming up about 20 feet from me, I don't go down there without a pistol. That's out there, you know, kind of comfortably. And once I saw it, if I hit the river bar, I thought, oh, man, and I just kind of got up,

and I just slowly walked back up my trail. And the whole time, I had to cover a few miles up this river, man. And I was looking over my shoulder and watching the other side of the river, scared out of my mind and thinking, what could do that? What could do that? And who do you talk to you about something like that? Everybody's going to say, oh, you were smoking something or you must have been high because nothing throws logs like that. Like, I don't know of a better or anything. So, no, I never really told anybody about that.

And I figure why not tell you, you know, you've heard lots of crazy stories, I'm sure. and I still, to this day, I wonder what did it. I wish I could have seen what did it. It was, you know, and these are really thick tree lands and brush. I mean, we're talking about some of the drone, oaks, and just thick, thorny brush and huge boulders and rocks. I mean, this is right on the bottom of iron, what is it called, Ironside Mountain, and, yeah, right out the river. But I'm pretty sure that that could have been a big foot that day, too. Yeah, you know, when you hear a tree fall, you know, it could be a lot of things, but

it throwing a log is a different story. You know what I mean? And bears don't throw logs. I guess people throw logs, but, you know, that doesn't really make sense either. And that is a common behavior you hear from a lot of people when they're out there and they don't see these things. They'll hear them vocalize. They'll get rocks thrown at them.

They'll get logs thrown at them. Even when I was down in Texas, I had a log thrown at me. came out of nowhere. I could hear the thing coming. It sounded like a helicopter flying through the air, this thing going into our end, coming at me. So I think that's their way of, that's your one warning to leave,

and I think that's why they do it. I think you're right. And the few times that that's happened to me, you know, when that does happen, I don't try to question it, or back talk or fight back. I leave each and every time, like those two times, I'll pack up and leave. I have no problem giving them their space.

Yeah, and you're going back to your encounter with one coming across the road. Would have been nice to get a hold of that guy that stopped right in front of you, wouldn't it? I'd love to talk to that guy, too, as well. Speaking of, hopefully, I'm hoping that he happens to listen to your show, and maybe he'll hear this story, and maybe he'll reach out to you. And if he does, I would love to talk to him. I would love to just go over what he saw, because he had an even closer and conversation. than I did.

You know, he was right in front of me, and this thing, he almost hit it. I guarantee you he saw, he made eye contact, it's a shame, you know, like it doesn't get any closer than that. So, you know, if you're out there, man, you're listening, get a whole of less, and let's talk because I want to talk to that guy. Yeah, I would love to chat with him, too. Does it change your opinion as far as going out fishing now or going out hunting or going out camping or hiking?

Do you kind of look at things different now? I definitely look at things differently. I don't avoid the woods. I still go hunting, but I just stick close to the roads. I don't, you know, I don't go so deep and in the middle of nowhere unless I'm with people and have protection. But when I go by myself, yeah, I kind of stick to the roads a little bit more. Yeah, my perspective on the woods has changed majorly.

I've seen them. You know, I know what lurks out there. And, yeah, it will change your opinion on your comfortability, even in camping, you know. You never know what you're getting into. Because when I go camping, you know, I make my own campsites and just kind of up in the hills off my quad. I haven't done it since. I kind of, like I said, unless I got some friends and we're armed. And I would hate to ever, you know, I would never want to shoot at one or even kill one.

I just try to give them their space and respect them at this point. Yeah, and I can respect that. And, you know, when I first read the encounter, I knew you saw something. It's not as crazy as you think. I mean, you know way too much about the way they move. And they have this strange when they jump. I mean, your whole description, when I posted it to the blog, I know a lot of the members were asking me to have you on.

And I just can't thank you enough for coming on the show and sharing it. I know it's life-changing to see something like the, So thank you again for coming on. Thanks for having me, Les. It's my pleasure. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Brett. And Brett comes to us from Texas. Brett, how are you tonight?

I'm good. How are you, Wes? I'm doing pretty good. Thanks for coming on the show, man. I really appreciate it. And you had three encounters. If you would, let's start with the first one. I think you were 10 years old when you had it.

If you would kind of start from the beginning, tell us what you were out doing and what you ran into. out in the east part of Texas. And we were hunting. It was just, it was a normal evening, I guess you could say. Everything was fine. And it was right at dusk. It was right before, you know, started getting dark between the light and dark. And he told me to reach back and get a soda out of the cooler.

So I was like, okay. So when I turned around, I looked up and I seen something swing from one tree to another. and it was gone. It was, I think the whole thing lasted maybe five seconds. That was kind of like the first time I ever seen anything

ever. And of course, like I said, I was 10 years old and I didn't really know much about these creatures and some of the older people that hunted on the leaves

had said they had seen things and heard noises and, you know, stuff like that. My dad didn't want to stay out past dark. And he was kind of a no-nonsense guy. Anyway,

he, and he just shrugged everything off, but he didn't like being out there at night. But he never told me why. He just was like, when I got to be out of here past dark, we're going to get out of here. And that was pretty much our first encounter.

Let me ask you, did you talk to your dad about what you saw? Or was he there when he saw it? He was in the blind with me, but he was facing the feeder. And I don't really remember. I guess I went to, you know, pull on a shirt,

but it happened so fast when he turned around asked me, you know, what's wrong? And I said, you know, I found something. And he said, oh, well, there's probably just a pig or something, which pigs don't find trees. But, you know, that was just his way of saying, just forget about it. Don't worry about it.

Just let's go. Let's carry on. Yeah, no, and I understand that. When you saw the same go from true to tree, what did you think it was at the time? I thought it was just a monkey, a giant monkey in East Texas. because it, I couldn't really, man, I can't explain in detail for detail what I saw.

I just saw it stretch. One arm, its feet never touched the ground, and it's long to another. You know, East Texas, the pine trees are huge. Yeah, though. From the tree to tree in a matter of second. And our scene, before we get into your other encounters, I want to ask you,

do you think your dad knew more than what he was saying? Honestly, I think he did, but I think it was more of, because after we got off that lease in East Texas, He would never, like, go out in the woods that much at night, and we would never do night hunts anymore. Look for pigs and anything that. It was more strictly even, and he was always at, and, like I said,

I don't necessarily, he knew what he was looking for, even what it was. He just didn't want to be, I guess, caught, you know, by surprise. Yeah, there's definitely a lot that goes on down there in East Texas. How many years later was your next encounter? seven years later yeah 17 this one was actually in Louisiana it was same thing I was hunting and it had rained the night before it had just been torn and it was still raining into that morning I was at my uncle's deer camp and I asked them I said there you're all going out today and they're like nah we're not gonna go

so I was like yeah go ahead to take the full we there and go on your bun so I'm cruising just a normal morning get to my stand I set all my water up load my gun, put it off in the corner, and pulling my cell phone to see what time it was. And it was probably about 5.30 getting close. Nothing really unexpected at that time until the smell hit me. And it was just, God-awful smell. And I didn't... Like, man, skunks around here did I write...

You know, something... If something's been dead over here for a while behind the bottom? Now, it was a swamp. So I don't know if it was like, you know, there's alligators in it. It was a little creek, probably about five or six foot deep. Alligator, they grabbed a pit. Didn't finish it. On this thing, I started hearing noises, like trees, like branches being stepped on here and there.

And then I turned around and to where the noise was coming from. And I heard it sounded like, and that's when I looked. And I've seen this thing. come up, come up from out of nowhere. It was all black. It had to be seven to eight foot tall. I looked at it. It looked at me and it just kept going.

It didn't, you know, it didn't try to attack me or anything like that. It wasn't aggressive. It looked at me and it just turned and kept on going on its way. Like it had been, like it walked there a hundred times. But like I was telling you yesterday, you know, there's no way anybody could have been out there faking that because of the water. I mean, if you had stilts on, you wouldn't be able to get through that swamp water like that

with the gators being in it and things like that, you know? For the audience, can you describe what you saw? For, let's say Bigfoot and Sasquash don't exist, and you're sitting in your tree stand, you turn around, you see this saying, how would you describe it to someone? Well, if you, if none of this exists, and you've seen this thing,

It looks kind of like a gorilla Mixed with like a man Its arms are down You know Almost to its Almost pass its knees It's not past them I remember the stride

You know the stride is just The stride is unbilly You would want to just tell somebody If you didn't know this existed It was a gigantic gorilla Can you describe the face When it looked at you? What did you see?

It had One of a big nose but it looked like almost human at the same time. It was the most different-looking creature you've ever seen. I would almost say like Down syndrome, human. Yeah, it was very, very different. What did you think you were looking at when he saw it? Honestly, the first thing I thought was, you know, a moving tree.

I mean, what is this? I didn't know stories about, you know, what these creatures were, big foot and watched the shows and stuff. I didn't think it was real first time. It was there. You could tell it was there. It matched up. You could smell.

And even after it walked up, the smell stayed there, five to six off. And I knew it was a good distance away, and I could hear it breaking brush as it went on. I jumped off, Steeleer, and took off back to the deer camp. And my uncle was sitting there, and he was drinking coffee, and he, you know, they said, what's wrong with you? And I was like, I don't know. It's like, well, what's going on. And I told him, you know, I've seen something. I don't know what I saw.

And he was like, yeah. You know, we've all seen it. I left that afternoon, so I really didn't get to ask him anymore about that. They didn't want to talk about it. It took me a while to, you know, finally get overseeing it. Yeah, I can imagine. Sounds like your uncle's seen it, almost like he knew about it. Yeah, I think he did know about it.

But, you know, he, they would all joke at the deer camp and stuff about it. And, you know, I always thought, okay, yeah, you know, just a bunch of guys just jacking around to, you know, Paramere or whatever because, you know, when you're 17 years old, you know, nothing's tougher than you, you know, and that was the whole thing. You know, I'm sorry, I'm Paul, so it's just a lot of emotion. No, that's all right. You know, and it's, that's what happens when you see one of these things. And it's hard to describe to someone who hasn't seen one, the emotion when you actually see this thing. And I don't really know what causes that.

I think it's more or less just not knowing that these things are real or knowing that these things exist. And then when you're flushed with that reality, I think it creates kind of a shock. I mean, what's your take on that? I think it's more of like, you know, it's all in a movie's life. You know, you're like, no, no, no, no. You know, you've been told no, and then rethink everything. And I don't know how to really explain it after you see it. I guess it becomes an addiction almost.

You become obsessed with it. You know, you want to bring people to see it again. And so you can prove to them that you're not crazy, that you're not just out here making stuff up just to get attention. It's, I think it just... It's frustrating. Yeah, it really is. And it approved people that it's real. I mean, 100 people can see it, but there's always going to be, you know, 50 people out of 100 people that said, no, they didn't see that.

But we're all making it up, you know. Yeah, no, and I hear you. And it's interesting when I talk to people in Texas, you really get the gambit as far as what the creature looks like. Like sometimes I'll talk to people and they'll say, well, it looked very chimp-like in the face, except for the nose. It had a human nose. And then sometimes I'll talk to witnesses and they'll say, no, it looked very much ape-like, except for it had the human nose. And then sometimes I'll talk to people and they'll say, no, it looked very human-like in the face. It reminded me of ancient man or a Neanderthal is what I saw.

And you get that whole gambit down there in Texas. I mean, you can go from one area to a next and you get this, you get the strain. I think it's more or less perspective from people is what you get their life experiences and they're putting their spin on what they saw. And I think we do that as humans. We put our own perspective on what we saw and what we experienced. I wanted to ask you, when he smelled it, for someone who's never smelled it, can you describe the smell? Yeah. Like a stone, it's very strong.

It's very potent. It's very, if you never smell it, if you smell something like that, you'll never forget it. It's just one of those smells that you'll never, you know, you'll never, I don't know how they come up smell like that or what, but you just never forget the smell. It's a very strong, and like I said, so like skunk and rotting meat, that's what it's smelled like to me. I know everybody's different and, and that's what it's smelled like to me. And it's very, yeah, it's very there, you know, you know, listen to your show and talking to you and stuff like that. And I was sitting back and thinking, I was thinking, you know, I've heard things in the woods that I can't explain. And, you know, at the time you never think anything like the bird, the bird whistle, the river person heard of a wood knock.

You know, I never heard a scream. I've just heard whistles and things like that. Yeah, no, I hear you. And not everyone hears those. And it kind of depends on the creature. I'm curious, two questions. What color was a creature? and then if you would, what kind of a size difference do you think the creature was compared to like yourself?

100 pounds. And there was no fat on this thing. It was all muscle. It was huge. Like, his shoulders looked like boulders. Like, it was just massive. And like I said, you know, I had a gun. I had a rifle beside me and I had 30 out six.

And to my head, I was like, there's no way this thing would even, if all it would do is make it mad if I shot it. and that's what a lot of hunters say they'll say that the weapon that they have isn't big enough or it looked too human-like a lot of hunters give different perspective on why they didn't pull the trigger did you ever think about giving up hunting

after seeing this thing? I did for a little while I never went back to Louisiana I never hunted there again I never went back I hunted here and it took me a while

to actually get back into the woods it's not. I would hunt during the day, and I would get to my stand, you know, but I always had a flashlight, and if I left it dark, my vehicle at the time, or whatever I had was never further than 50 to 60 yards away from me to where I could get into it if I needed to. The keys are always left in it. You know, I had to do a start and go. But once I started to hunt back down where I'm from, I never really had a problem with it. Now, every now and again, you know, I do get to where I don't want to sit in a woods by myself. I just physically can't make myself sit in a wood at night.

Physically, sorry. It changed me. I mean, it put a toll on me. You know, like, I've had dreams about them. You know, like one of the most recent dreams was, it was, you know, a lot of different things. Yeah, and as you and I talked about, that's pretty common for people after they've had an encounter to dream about these things. Did you ever talk to your uncle? Did you ever go back to your uncle and say, hey, listen, what do you know about these things?

I tried to ask him two years after it happened, and he just brushed it off and was like, you know, there's just some things that best left not said, you know. And I was like, well, you know, you, and I asked him, I was like, you never stopped hunting out there. And it turns out he did. He did stop hunting out there. He quit hunting out there, and he gave the land to some family. hunt it and I don't know who they are because they're not on my side and you know that's just and everybody knows you know Louisiana's full of weird stuff anyway is just you know from the

dog man and all that stuff all the way down but it definitely is there's definitely some weird stuff in Louisiana how many years later was your your final encounter about 26 now it just happened probably two three Fridays ago and if you would tell us what What were you out doing and what did you run into? This one is most recent. Actually ready for a while I was already hunting and I was going to make it making an evening hunt and I was going to I was going to shoot some pigs because the season's over and I need some pigs for my sausage and I was just sitting there and

I normally eating in but it was real eerie like it was real dead size. like nothing was moving. Not even the birds were chirping. You know, and I've been out there in morning and stuff where this has happened recently over the past couple months, and I guess this is all explains why. And I was getting ready to go.

I had everything packed up. I opened the door on the blonde. I had my flashlight point at the ground so where I could see, you know, because I'm coming down. And I pick my flashlight up because I always do, always scan the area, you know,

to make sure there's no pigs or something right behind the stand. So I get a quick shot off at them. And I put my, light from the tree and it went up and it was standing right there. As soon as the light hit it started, like it took off. And I don't know where it went because it went one way. I jumped out of the sand.

I went the other way. I got to my truck and I burnt off. I didn't take any time. I didn't, you know, go overlooking around for it or anything like that. I had a, in that one, I can't really describe what I thought. I just know the color. It was like a, I want to say brownish black. and it was big

and it took off and I took off the other way and when I got to my truck I kept going I didn't stop I got to the gate the gate was already open

I went straight through it jumped out closed it and I was gone and I haven't been back since and it really you know

affects me because that's where I hunt at and I went out there a few I take that back I went out there one more time with a buddy

to check my hog truck and the big you could tell there was a pig in there one time but it was gone like somebody had to open the trap and pull the pig out

because there was blood all in the trap and stuff. So are you saying it got your kill? I don't know if it got the pig that was in the trap or we have panthers down here too. So, I mean, it could have been either one, but I haven't been back. And it really affected me because, you know, the fellow that owns the property called me Friday.

I was like, or Thursday, he said, hey, you're going to hunt Friday. And I just had to make a excuse and no, I'm not going to hunt Friday because I don't want to tell him anything because like I said I get made fun of stuff at work and things like that already. I don't need you. I'm thinking I'm crazy either.

Yeah, no, I hear you. And that's a scary encounter especially when you're by yourself and you shine a flashlight. If you were explaining to someone who didn't know anything about Bigfoot, how would you describe to them when you turned on the flashlight and you shined it at the saying, how would you describe to them what you saw? Well, I think you're out of the lookout and you're probably, your light hits probably 40 feet away.

And the things on two legs, or standing on two legs, his arms are like, I guess I couldn't really see them. I don't know where they were at. I guess they were on the tree or something. I guess I surprised him like it surprised me. I think he knew I was there. And imagine just, you know, turning your light on and what you can kind of, to remember what you can kind of see is big thing with a cone head with no neck and hair down its body and knowing there's no bears bears haven't been spotted in this part of 100 years 200 years

knowing there's nothing down here like that that can be that massive and can move like that because if somebody was going to you know fake me because i don't ever put on facebook or anything like that when i'm going to go pig hunting or anything i just kind of go and so just seeing if was a, you know, somebody's trying to play a joke. They were on stilts, and they can move on the admin practice of stilt their whole life, and they can move really good. And then that's how I would describe it. Yeah, very large and looking at you.

Did the expression change at all on the creature's face when you shine the light at it? You ever, yeah, you ever get like a surprise when somebody surprised that, you know, you kind of throw your head back. Like, wow. You know, just something random. You're like, oh, wow, I don't know that. That's what it did. It threw its head back and looked at me.

Like, you know, what are you doing here? You know, and it took off. Like, it didn't wait. Like, I guess it knew what a light was or what a hunter was. It didn't wait. It didn't. It just kept on going. And which was weird to me was that I had seen any pigs because, you know,

I had it down to the science on the game camera when the pigs are coming in, the exact time. But they just weren't there. I don't know if they could sense it or. You know, maybe animals have a different sense than we do, which listen to your show. I know dogs do, so maybe pigs do too. I mean, I'm not an expert. I don't claim to be.

You know, I do. I love, you know, looking into it. I don't want to use the word researcher because I'm not a researcher. You know, I don't have a body in my garage, you know. But I do like to look into it, and I like to read books about it. And, you know, like I told you yesterday, I scanned Google for hours and hours looking for an encounters down here where I'm at. And like I told you, I only found my one in the 70s. And then, like I told you, I was looking at the paper a couple months ago when we had a big flood down here.

And they were, somebody had posted pictures on the paper. You know, it's bigfoot in this area. And, you know, of course, you know, people are, you know, joking and laughing and stuff. And to me, it's not funny. It's not a joke because, you know, you know, they want to laugh and joke and call me crazy. And I tell them, you know, if it's so funny, then come on. We'll go. I'll take you somewhere where people know they're at, where people in the town will tell you don't go there.

And we'll see how much of a joke it is because when you come across this thing and you turn around and it's standing behind you, then what are you going to do? You know, it's going to be funny then. Yeah. And I know like Finding Bigfoot is a TV show. And I know it's for entertainment. I mean, I get it. But I always laughed because I was saying, well, what happens if one shows up? What are those guys going to do?

You know what I mean? It's kind of like one of those moments where be careful what you wish for because if it happens, you might just get your wish. And what are they going to do if one comes up? And, you know, Texas, as I was telling you, it's kind of a funny state. Louisiana, that whole area down there, the south, is a very interesting state because people generally don't come out and talk about what they've seen. they'll tell you privately.

A lot of times if you corner people down there, I noticed that when I was down there in southeast Texas, if you corner people and you ask them, they'll tell you what they know. But otherwise, they won't volunteer any information. You know, it's like I was telling you when I was down there,

I went into the Minutemort and the guy asked me if I was camping and if I was from around these parts. And I told him no. And he said, you don't want to camp in that forest. Go get a hotel room and I asked him why. And he said, There's things out there in the forest you don't want to run into. And that's all he would say.

He wouldn't say anything else. And I thought that was interesting. And the other thing, too, is as far as them eating pigs or taking a pig kill, as you and I were talking yesterday, I spoke to an FBI agent that actually had an encounter in a tree stand. And these, he described it as two very large chimpanzees chasing pigs. And they had grabbed one, smashed it against a tree stand. tree. I don't know if they broke its neck or what. But they, he was sitting in a tree stand

watching this whole thing happen literally, probably 20, 30 feet away. And they tear apart the pig and they sit down and eat it right there. And he's just in fear holding onto his breath, hoping they'll go away. And, but he didn't want to come out publicly and talk about it. And I think that's kind of how people are down there. They just don't want to talk about it publicly. And I think that's true. I don't think you should be. I think you should be open about it. Because it helps. It helps the talk. It really does like anything dramatic. that happens to you, it's good to talk about it, you know, get it off your chest because, you know, I have my encounter him for a long time, and it didn't really, you know, make me drink and

they didn't come out or anything like that. It's just one of those things where I finally met some people that were like, oh, you know, this subject interests me. And they would say, have you ever seen anything? And then I would tell them, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, I've seen stuff, you know, and, you know, YouTube research and listening to vocals and listen to the Sierra sounds and listen to your show. And listen to people talk about their encounters. And that's one of the biggest things. You know, you just got to actually come out and talk about it.

And it makes you feel better. You know, well, it is for me. Everybody's different. You know, and I don't. And everybody will walk. You know, like you said, be careful what you wish for. People are like, oh, I want to see one. Well, do you want to see one bad enough?

Go out there and look for them. Or they'll find you one of the two. Yeah. And you're right. It does help to talk about it. I think anytime anything bad happens to someone, And the best thing you can do is talk about it. And not necessarily running into the Sasquatch as being bad.

But you know what I mean? Anything that's somewhat life-changing, it's important to talk about it. And I wish more people would come forward. Because I know down in your area, as you and I spoke yesterday, down in your area, I think more goes on down there than here in the Pacific Northwest. The only difference here in the Pacific Northwest is people are more open about it. I mean, you could walk into almost any major hospital here and see cutouts of Bigfoot. Or as I was told yesterday, I could probably.

find you about four or five bars within 20 miles from me that are Sasquatch related bars. There's even the Sasquatch Brewery. There's Bigfoot Bar out in Camas. There's, I mean, and so people are a little bit different up here than they are down there in Texas with regard to Sasquatch. They're a little bit more open about it. And I think that's really the only difference. But if I had to put my money down, I'd say there's more going on down south than there is in the Pacific Northwest. I wanted to ask you, what do you think that these creatures are?

Well, I think somewhere along the line they were crossed between the Native Americans and the, I guess it's gigantic. It's from the stories I've read and things like that. But, my honest, I mean, I really can't tell you what they are. I really don't know. I mean, is it a, to me, is it a lost primate that we just refuse to learn about? if it's something that we know about, but, you know, the government doesn't want us to know about.

I really, because, you know, listening to people and they all have this, you know, this different stories, and some of them are, oh, they look half human, half ape, oh, this one looks full ape, or this one looks this and this one looks that, you know, and they're different colors and things like that. So I don't really know.

It's kind of a, I hope I gave you my best answer. Yeah, no, and I appreciate it. I appreciate the answer. You have any plans on going hunting again? Not this weekend, though. I'm going to attempt to go next weekend and see what happened. Well, if you run into anything out there, let me know about it, will you? I'd be real curious to hear how your next hunting trip goes.

And, you know, some people, they give it all up and they don't go out ever again. And then some people, they have no problems going out again. Or it bothers them, but they don't want to give it up. They want to keep going back out. So it's always interesting to get the different takes on how people react to it. But I really appreciate you coming on, Brett. Thank you so much. Well, thank you, Wes.

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