Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:310 It grunted like a gorilla

Episode Date: March 26, 2017

A listener from Ontario, Canada writes "Hi Wes, I had a very bizarre situation when I was 15. I have never told anyone before but after listening to you for the last month I think I can tell you. It's a crazy story I will give you the outline if you are interested you can let me know. I am in Ontario and this happened in a village in southwestern ont. my parents found god and thought I was to adventurous so moved me to the middle of nowhere. I have grown up surrounded byweird happenings. I found out a few years ago that my great great grandmother was full Ojibwa so weird gifts I have now make sense. I have always been connected to animals so the country was not bad. We had an old barn that we did not use but to park the car in. Where the animals were kept at one time you had to go down a ladder which was broken or threw a door you had to climb down broken up old stone stairs. My parents like I said we're constantly praying and stuff so I would hide in the barn. It was late fall but the snow was falling early. I was in the hay loft and I heard a noise which was weird because we had no animals. I came down the later on to the main floor seen nothing. I sensed something there. I heard a noise under me. I am a curious person. I went around to the steep steps and seen the door open it was a split door and they were both open. The damn door was very hard to open because of the age. I could not get it a quarter of the way open it was wide open. I went to the door and peeked around it. It was still filled with hay from the previous tenants. Underneath the hay this massive blob was there. I was worried one of the neighbors horses was hurt so went a little closer and it uncovered its head. Which was pointed away from me and grunted like a gorilla does when it sends out a warning. I don't know why but I said sorry and backed away. Went in the house and that was it. I was freaked and my parents did not believe in that stuff. They said that was the devil playing games. So I said nothing. Whenever I went to hide in the loft i would bang my feet if I heard a huff I would leave. This went on for a few months. I always noticed the farmers always bringing the animals in at night which I thought was weird. One day we were suppose to get a blizzard a bad one. For some reason I was thinking about the big ape. I did not really know what Bigfoot was. I thought it was a big ape. It always closed the big door when it left. So I figured if it starts snowing it could not get in so I got the door open and I threw fruit and vegetables in and left. The blizzard came and in the end my brother and I climbed out my bedroom window to dig out the doors. We were stuck for a week. After the storm I peeked around to see if my buddy was stuck but the top part of the door was open and there was a huge path to the forest. I could not get to it because of the snow was so high. I did not hear it again till early summer. It was our first long weekend and I had an argument with my parents and it was dark we were surrounded by bush and I would walk into town during the day but this was first time at night. I knew there was wild farm dogs. I was walking down the main road and I heard one of those dogs coming from the bush. I was scared because there was no houses around. I all of a sudden heard A big boom from a tree falling then there was the dog growling and I could see it's eyes. It was moving towards me. All of a sudden there was a growl that shook me. And the dog stopped and turned. There was another growl and a Big Bang I seen its eyes it was about 7 feet. The dog ran and I walked off shaking in my shoes. A month latter I was out wondering and a man in a totally black truck pulled up and introduced himself as a neighbor which I knew he was not. He started ask questions about big bears. I played stupid. Then a week later I was outside at night smoking and I heard gunfire it was not any shot gun either. My mom came running outside and asked where the noise came from. I knew they killed it. So I got on the bus and asked where the war was I was mad. One girl looked at another girl looked at me said a bear got in a barn. So to push it I said I hope you called and reported it. I said it against the law not to. That night I was out walking and my so called neighbor pulled up and started chatting at me and he said oh sorry to disturb your family. I said I hope you have your rocket launchers registered. He just looked at me. I have a smart mouth which he reminded me of. I smiled and said yup. He said we had a big bear in the barn. I said sure it was not a monkey. His face went stone cold. He scared me so I laughed and said no I understand you have to protect your family and your animals. I said I would have done the same thing. He nodded at me and smiled and he said good answer. Have a good day and drove off. Freaked me out."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, but he grabbed a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 9-1-1. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 6'9. I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you this evening. I'm going to be bringing Crystal on who comes to us from Ontario, Canada, and shares an encounter she had with this creature when she was about 15 years old, and it seemed to be residing in her barn. And, you know, most encounters you hear on the show tend to be aggressive, more violent encounters. And I've said in the past that not every encounter is necessarily aggressive or violent. And this encounter reminded me a lot of the Chabaca Man.

Most of the listeners know that show I did with the Chabaca Man, where the little kid was feeding this thing. And her encounter kind of reminded me of that. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles, become a member, get additional shows. You can also go to the top of the website, into the store and purchase merchandise, a lot of cool things on the website. So if you get a chance, check it out, Sasquatch Chronicles.com. The other interesting part about Crystal's Encounter is,

Pay close attention to the gentleman that showed up and the shots she heard and then never seeing the creature again. It was interesting. It was almost a repeat of what you've heard in the past, what seems to happen with these creatures. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Crystal to the show. Crystal, thanks for coming on. Oh, well, thank you for having me. Now, I appreciate you taking the time to talk about your encounter.

If you would, I know this happened in Ontario, and you don't have to go in. into the exact location of where it happened. But if you would kind of start from the beginning, tell us, you know, what kind of time frame? How long ago was this? What were you doing? And what did you run into? We had just, it was in the early 90s. I was 15 at the time.

And my parents, we had moved out to the country. And it was kind of in the middle of nowhere. There was just, there was like 400 people in that area. And it was just all forest and farmland. And houses kind of in between that. And we had this amazing old barn. And it was built into a hill. And so it was just, it was the most amazing barn I've ever seen.

It looked really small. But if you walked around to the back of the barn, you would go down stone stairs that were built into the hill and that is where the door was where they had kept all the animals you could either go in from the loft as you walked in the door but it was broken the ladder was broken there so you couldn't do that I was just curious so I was kind of investigating this barn and so I went down the stairs and the door was open and it's so it was heavy it was a really old heavy door and I could open it a little bit

maybe a quarter of the way but this thing was wide open so whatever I knew whatever it opened it had to be pretty strong and so I went up to the door and I peeked around the door and it was a blob basically because they had left the hay, whoever lived in the house before had left all the hay there. And it was in the fall. So it was kind of, it was really starting to get chilly because in Ontario we can get snow from anywhere from October on. And it was, I remember it was chilly. and so I had peeked around the door and I seen a black blob.

It was blackish brown basically. And it was, whatever it was, it was in the hay. It had buried itself in the hay. Well, everybody had horses around us, so I was afraid that one of the horses had gotten hurt and had just collapsed into this big pile of hay. And so I walked in the door and it grunted at me and it lifted its head. And it was facing away from me and it did that grunt.

And for some stupid reason, I'm just standing there dumbfounded by this. And I said, okay, sorry. And I turned around and I walked out and I'm like, oh my God, what the heck was that? and, you know, I didn't get to see a lot of it because it was buried in a hay, but the head popped up. And it looked like a big gorilla's head. I mean, this head was huge. So I definitely knew it wasn't a horse or anything. But I had, I just went in the house.

I was just like, at 15, you just, I didn't know what I was seeing, you know, in the, in the, environment I lived and you didn't talk about it. I mean, Bigfoot was like the devil's, you know, some sort of either made up creature or something the devil created or whatever have you. So I was just like, okay, I just, that's it, you know. And I would go into the barn and I would sit up in the barn and I would do my homework and stuff just to get away from everybody. And, And because we always had lots of people in our years, people always coming and going. And I'm kind of a solitary person. I've always been happy by myself.

So I would sit, I would go up into the hayloft and I would sit up there and I had a light up there. And I would just sit up there and read or, you know, do my homework or whatever. And I would always, the one time I went in, I heard the grunt to the floor. So I just came to, you know, the acceptance that, okay, well, it's going to live there. And so what I would do is I would go in the door and I would bang my feet on the floor. And if it did that hopping noise, I would just turn around and walk it. It was just like, okay, we'll go inside. You do your thing.

my thing. And it was for quite a few months. It just, that's just the way it was. What did you think it was this thing in the barn? I thought it was, like, a gorilla or something. I know it sounds bizarre, but I just, to me, it was like, because I didn't see the whole thing, and it had that big gorilla, his head. And that's what, because that's what we were learning about. I was in geography and we were studying South Africa. And that's what, you know, it looked like one of those big silverbacks and had that, you know, that pointed, not really pointed, it was more rounded because the silverbacks have really kind of pointy heads. But this one had more of a round. So I thought it was some, you know, just some ape thing that, you know, I

because I'd never, I heard about, you know, the, what is that movie? The Legends of Boggy Creek. Yeah. And it comes on TV and my dad's like, oh, that's all foolish stuff. That's just, there's no such thing and he turned it off. So, you know, in passing, I had heard about Bigfoot. But it was, to me, it was just a Maple Leaf or the Devil's Tool sort of thing. Yeah.

And I understand that. I know the religious side of. things. And I've talked to people in different religions, and it is very taboo to talk about this. So I definitely understand that. So did you guys buy this home, and then you were 15, and you decided check the barn out? No, we were renting it. Oh, you're renting it. Okay. Yeah. My parents thought that I was getting into too much trouble in town, so they moved me to the country. Oh, I got you. Thinking that I would get. And there's another thing, too, you know, Listening to your show, they talk about power lines, the connection between Sasquatch and the power lines.

The house that we were living in was owned by Ontario Hydro because it had the big towers. You know what I'm talking about? Those big power towers? They had the big power lines. And that thing went on forever. Yeah, I think the thing with the power lines is, it's the easiest mode of travel. You'll see a lot of prey use where they cut out because they'll level whole area out and they'll put power lines through there and it's the easiest mode of travel.

If you're ever lost, it's the easiest way, you know, you don't get from point A to point B. And I think that's the correlation with Sasquatch. Tell me about the second time that you saw this creature. So you saw him that one time. Right, yes. And you had heard him before. And I want to come back to the grunting as you and I remember. talking before we went on air, but tell me about the second time he saw this creature.

I had an argument with my parents, and so I farmed out of the house like typical 15-year-old two. Like I said, it's just forced everywhere. Like, I mean, it's just, you can't escape it. So I was walking down the road, and a lot of the farmers just let their dogs go. I mean, they were to protect the properties and stuff like that. And they were mean and vicious. And one of the dogs from one of the farms must have gotten away because I looked, I heard, actually I heard wrestling in the trees. And I looked over and the dog was standing there just growling. and I think

if I remember correctly it was a Doberman and so of course I was petrified and it just stood there and I looked at it and I'm like okay you need to go home now and it was just sort of growling at me

and it was slowly moving towards me and all of a sudden I heard big boom and it was like an explosion happened in the woods. So the dog stopped

and it was looking around and then I start moving which was probably a big mistake on my part but I started moving a way farther down the road and the dog just started coming at me again he was going to start he was starting to pick up speed

and then all of a sudden boom crack, boomed and I was like and the dog stopped started looking, it turned around the book and it started growling. And then it roared. It roared. And I was like, oh my God.

And it was about, it was only like seven feet because of the, I don't know, you can see some, the eyes were glowing. I don't know if it was the moon, the way the moon was hitting off them or I just seen them. And it was just. so bizarre, and the dog just started whimpering, and it took off. And by the time I looked up, because I looked down at the dog, because the dog was whimpering, and the dog took off, and by the time I woke up again, whatever once was gone.

And it was just the most bizarre situation. I took off running. I was just like, okay, this is ridiculous. And so I turned around, and I'm like, Because I was maybe about four miles from my house. So I'm like, okay, I'm not wandering around in the dark anymore. And I just, I turned around and home. I was just like, this is crazy.

I wasn't mad at them all. I'll tell you that much. I bet. I bet. You forget about all your problems there at that moment. And it's interesting, the reaction with the creature, you know, it's, and I've said this, even on a Friday show, I talked. about, you know, not every encounter is going to be an aggressive encounter.

They're not, I don't believe that they're godless killing machines. I used to. If you caught me on a certain day, you know, a couple of years ago. Yes, I have. I've heard you. You know, I'd say kill them all and like God sorted out. And the more people I had on the show, the more people I start talking to, I started realizing really quick, they don't, not all of them are like that.

Not all of them have that, that reaction towards people. And sometimes encounters aren't bad encounters. You know, not every encounter is a bad encounter. I think a lot of times if you come into their area, you have to kind of look at see what the people are doing and the creature that they run into. And you can usually make quick work of what's going on, whether the people are interrupting a hunt or they're shooting at them or, you know, but there is times where I truly don't think that these creatures mean you. harm. I think if you press your luck, they'll mean you harm. But going back to... I think if you respect each other, I think that's the biggest thing. It's like, you've got to respect that, you know, I think there are thousands of years old. I really truly believe that, because if you

look at the Native American artwork around the United States and around the world in different countries, I mean, there has to be something. to that, you know, because they just didn't make it up. Well, and the other thing... They had more time. They didn't have time to make up things like we do today because, you know, they had to survive, really. They didn't have power, hydro, internet.

You know what they mean? They had to hunt and, you know, make everything to survive. So why would they take the time to do all that, you know, artwork and stuff? Well, and you bring up a good point. The one thing that is fascinating about Native Americans, especially here down in the States, is they have a different, every tribe almost has a different name for it. But if you, if they describe what that name means, it sure is interesting that a Native American tribe in Washington State is kind of talking about the same thing. They're in the southwest. They're kind of talking about the same thing on the East Coast.

They're all kind of describing the same thing. They just have a different name for it. And, you know, we do the same thing. We call it Grassman. We call it Corn Man, Chicken Man, Sasquatch. Really? Bigfoot. I've never heard those names before.

Okay. Yeah, if you go down south, a lot of times if you ask the people about Bigfoot or Saskatch, nowadays, I think there are people know what you're talking about. But if you go back even 50 years ago, you'd be hard pressed to find accounts. You'd almost have to know what the locals called it, whether they called it grassman or chicken man or corn man. or corn man, you know, and they would, and you can kind of describe, I mean, the name kind of describes it, you know, the corn man. They always saw them in the cornfields. And it was just this giant corn man is what they called it. And I think the Native Americans did the same thing. And going

back to the grunting, I think, I truly believe, and again, this is my own theory based on witnesses I've had on the show. But when these things grunt, as you and I were talking before, went on air, I really think that is a way of them acknowledging that you're there. Gorillas do the same thing. They'll grunt, and it's not meant to be an aggressive or threatening manner. It's meant as an acknowledgement. Chimpanzees do the same thing. And when you hear people that talk about, it grunted at me.

I really don't think that's an aggressive move. I think that's more of acknowledging that you're there. Right, right, yeah. Tell us about the third and final experience you had with this. creature. Okay. Well, Ontario is famous for our blizzard. Like, you could get stranded. Like, you had to keep, when you lived in the country, you had to have at least two-week supply food. I mean, it was stretching it a bit, but we got stuck that one. I got stuck for a week. And what happening was

the blizzard was coming so everybody's kind of scrambling to load up on water and because the power went out or just food and everything that we needed load up the wood in the house so that

you had dry wood and for the fireplace of the power went out. So I was like on the back of my mind the creature was in the back of my mind all the time. And And so, you know, I find it now you're not supposed to feed them, but I was always worried that it was hungry or whatever. So I would always throw food in the thing.

And then my parents, like, we didn't have garbage men that came around. We only had, like, you store your garbage and then, you know, whenever you just took it to the dump. And so the creature would rip the garbage part. And my dad would always say, oh, it's just the raccoons. And so, you know, it was obviously getting fed well. I was afraid that if it snowed too hard, too fast, the snow would come up the door and whatever it was wouldn't be able to get in. So what I did was I pulled the door open as much as I could. And then I threw some apples in there.

I threw some tomatoes, lettuce, the carrots in there. I just left. And then the snow started coming. It was, and it was a storm. And it just dumped. I mean, we had so much snow. It was up, halfway up the telephone poles. I mean, and that was just like in two days.

It's just, you know, we couldn't go to, my brother and I, I thought it was fun because what we did was we climbed out because our mother, one roof sloped. over the shed that was attached to the house. And so we climbed out onto that, and we kind of crawled to the front door to dig it out because it was like buried. I mean, it was a lot of snow. And so when I finally, you know, we finally got everything cleared out,

our neighbor came up with tractors and dug a stove and stuff like that. And by the time I got, got there, the door was pushed open more and because there was so much snow, it had, basically what happened was, it opened the top

part of the door, that's right, it was the top part of the door and it looked like it had jumped over the top part of the door into the snow bank that had come up because it was pretty well, it covered the bottom part of the door. And so what happened was it had must have gotten the top part of the,

you know what I'm talking about, you know, like, in Mr. Ed and stuff like that, barn doors had the bottom part, and they had the top part open so that air or whatever could get in there. Well, it must have jumped over that door because there was a huge trail all the way to the forest. And I was just like, oh my gosh. It was like, it was my.

It was beautiful and mind-blowing all at once. I think that was, it was almost like artwork, because it was like these two holes, and then there would be a big, huge space, and then there would be two more walls. And that's kind of what it looked like. I thought it was kind of pretty, but it was pretty and scary at the same time.

And did you see the creature that time, or was it just the... No, just the footprint. like the big, well, it wasn't even footprints. It was just like big things in the snow. You know what I mean? Because it was so deep. Yeah.

And so it was just like, but they were space pretty good apart. I didn't measure. I didn't think to measure at this time. No, I understand. But there was a good, yeah, there was a, it was a really good space between. I couldn't believe the distance, though, because the snow was so high. Like, if you and I, it would have come up. It would have been up to my waist.

And I was five foot two at that time. And the snow would have been up to my waist. But it was like it was walking through the park. You know what I mean? It was like I would have to fight to put one step in front of the, one foot in front of the other. This thing was like it was walking in the park. You know what I mean?

It was just, it was, it was extremely beautiful. Well, let me ask you. You know, your encounter reminds me a lot of, I don't know if you ever heard the episode with the Chewbacca Man. And, well, this kid was feeding it. And he was feeding it chocolate and he's feeding it all sorts of things. And the guy that came on the show was the other kid that went to play with this kid. And he was feeding it.

And he said, do you want to see the Chewbacca Man? Well, that's all the kid knew of what this thing was because it reminded him of Star Wars. So he just called it the Chabaca Man. And he would go out there and he would feed it. And it would come up and it would take the food. and it was fascinating to me that it never killed this kid. But when the other kid showed up, I guess this thing started growling at him. And he said it was just a big ape growling at him.

And he didn't know what it was. And he didn't. And so there is this weird, I guess, connection you can have sometimes. And again, I think it's rare. But I wanted to ask you, did you ever stop and go to your parents? I realize the religion comes into play a lot. And sometimes you want to stay away from that subject. I did not have a great relationship with my parents.

We just, I ended up moving out of the house, I think a year and a half after that all happened. I mean, it was, my parents were extremely abusive and my dad was, you know, a really bad alcoholic and stuff. So, like, when they found, you know, they found the church, my dad stopped drinking. And it just went from one extreme to of them completely ignoring us, you know, basically that's what happened growing up. They just ignored us, right? We were there and it was like they took us out when, you know, the friends came over, or they wanted to put out a big family thing.

But other than that, it was just so talking to my parents really weren't. wasn't something I did. No, I understand. I understand. Did you ever talk to your brother? Do you ever think about telling your brother? Oh, yeah, we talk about it all the time. I told him the other day, and he was just, see, he and I have, he has a really open

mind about stuff. He is completely into conspiracy theories and things like that, right? So he believes You know I don't know so much about that Because he's younger than I am And so But it's you know

We talk about it And I completely believe in the UFO thing Because I've seen one of them too And you know I was a kid when I had seen it But you know It's just

He and I Now we can talk about it But back down no it wasn't You know which is just me. No, I understand. And the other thing, too, that's in our, and I'm sorry to hear about your folks

and the whole situation. That's tough. But you know what? We have a really great relationship now, so that's all that matters. Yeah, no, I hear you. And, you know, the thing is, is that with these creatures sometimes,

you hear this, especially with young females or females. And that worries me a little bit because a lot of the encounters that I hear from, and I've talked about this on past shows, I was on the phone with a mother, and her child got on the phone. She put me on the phone with her kid. And I didn't really feel right about putting it on the air, but this kid sure knew a lot.

As far as descriptions go, probably one of the best witnesses I've ever spoken to was this little girl. And she describes this thing coming up to her window at night. And she describes a face and what it looks like, and I asked her if it was scary, and she said, no. but she would describe it. And she's basically describing a Sasquatch. I mean, some of the best details I've ever heard. And it's not, it's one of those things to where, like, I realize sometimes kids have good imaginations.

Not this good, though. This kid knows way too much about it. You can really tell when a child is either being coached or using the imagination. Because things don't, they're not consistent. But when you have a child that has seen something, you know, the story is consistent. Yeah, and this kid was very consistent. And the other thing, too, is she was really quick with her answers.

She didn't really have to stop and think about anything. Yeah, so you know she was telling the truth. Yeah, and the mother had seen it. She didn't believe her daughter, but she had ended up seeing a couple months later. But it was just fascinating to talk to this kid because this kid had so many details. And, you know, sometimes there's that weird, fascinating. And it's not too far off. Sometimes with like gorillas and known primates, they tend to have a soft spot for females.

And you see it with gorillas. You see it with chimpanzees. Usually they'll approach women different than they will men. It has something to do with the vulnerability. Women, I think, are far more open. I think it has to do with the, you know, women are far more vulnerable. And you know what? You will ask this to any other woman, and they'll tell you no.

I'm not a feminist. I don't believe in the woman. No, I believe in women's rights, you know, and we have the right to, you know, everything. But we're still women. I don't think we should have to compete with men all the time. We're not meant to compete with men all the time. You know, God give us a gift to give children, you know, and it's hard and everything. think, but we women do have a vulnerability, and I'm, you know, I'll probably get screened up,

but it doesn't matter because we do. And I think, I really think that a more, because I was in a very vulnerable place, right? And I was young and kind of left on my own. And I think that has a lot to do with it, where children are another very vulnerable, you know, because they're so open to everything. They don't have any filters in their brains yet. And I think that's why, you know, the Sasquatch took to that little girl because she doesn't have the prejudice filters in her head yet. I think they're very intuitive animals.

I think they understand more than we realize they do. Yeah, no, I understand. I mean, just like you walking in and saying, oh, sorry, and then leaving, you're not a threat at that point. There's no sense in getting up. And even from a primate, which is what I think that these things are, there's no threat at that point. I mean, I don't know exactly what they are. But if I were to, my public answer would be it's a primate. But I think that there was no threat at that point.

You view walking in. It just kind of acknowledged you were there. You left. And it sounds like no one ever went into that barn. Did your dad ever go into that thing or your mom? No, like I said, they would go into the garage, okay? The garage was built kind of off the barn. So they would go in the garage.

They would open the door to the garage. I would throw the garbage in there, and that was it. That's all they had to do with the barn. I got to. I was the only one that went in there. I mean, and they sure, like, they didn't go down, because it was a bit of a hike to go down the stairs. because like I said, they were all broken up.

So they had no need to go down to that part. And so I was the only one that would go in there. I wanted to ask you, did you ever smell anything odd when you went in there? Was there anything? I mean, I'm convinced it wasn't a bear because if you corner a bear, the way you described it, you're going to have some serious problems. I have seen. My grandparents lived in trailers out in the middle of nowhere.

and they had, what do you call them, gravel pits. They live near gravel pit. And they had bears, the black bears. They had wolves because the wolves would come up to the house and they would just howl at night. And it was just, I don't know if they knew what they were doing, but they would just come right up to the house and start howling. And my grandpa would pop off, you know, a couple shots at the time

just to get rid of them because they would just howl and howl. You know, so I know what bears look like. Definitely was not a bear. Yeah, I don't think it was either. But just the smell wise, there was a couple times I did. I could take it twice. Just me going, I went into the barn. You know what?

My dad had been in there, had been in the garage. He had just come home from work and he was in the garage. And he was coming out. And I was going into the barn. I was going to go read a book. And I smelt it. I went in the door and I smelt it. And that was the only time whenever my dad or somebody,

I think that's what it was. It was when somebody was in the garage and didn't really know. Because this was at nighttime. There was only that couple times that I'd seen it during the day in the hay. but at nighttime, when it was really, really cold, it would go in there and I would be up top. And so, I mean, I can only think of a couple times that I smelt it. But it always coincided with somebody being in the garage. So maybe that's what it was.

It just didn't know who was in the garage or, you know, it was spooked. Did you ever go back now that you and your parents have a better relationship and talk to them about this today and say, hey, listen. No, they still don't believe, so I never brought it. I just don't bring it out. No, I hear you. They don't believe in it. No, they don't believe in it.

I have a good relationship, but, you know, it's just certain things, you know, you bring them up and they get all excited. So at this point in their lives, like my dad's, you know, they're both getting up there. And I just try to make them comfortable. You know what I mean? It's just what things are about. I understand. I always think it's fascinating, though.

You know, I've had people on the show in the past, and they'll have these things happen around their property, and usually it's the kids that see it in most encounters, actually. Usually it's the housewife or it's the kids that see it first. Usually kids, then housewife, and then eventually the husband will see it. See, there's the two most vulnerable people, two. of the most vulnerable groups always see it first. Well, and you have to be careful, though, too.

I realize your encounter wasn't an aggressive encounter, but in the animal kingdom, those are the easiest targets, too. That's what I mean. That's why they probably see them first is because they're kind of testing the waters. Are you, you know, can I make this lunch? sort of thing. Yeah. And that's the way I look at it. Yeah.

You know, can I eat this? No, I hear. Because that's the only, the few things that the animals think about. Food and sex. That's it. Yeah. You're right. You're absolutely right.

So they're looking at, okay, can I eat this? With children, it's not so hard because they're little. And with women, I've met plenty of strong women. But, you know, there would be easier to take them, you know, in their eyes because if you go by, you know, past experiences. You know, sometimes, like I said, not every encounter is the same. Not only are the encounters like what you have, but, you know, people who have aggressive encounters, I think it really depends on the situation.

And I think that creature had been staying in that barn way before you guys started renting the home. Someone may have been even feeding it. But that's the other thing, too, is you hear about them in abandoned buildings. buildings a lot. There's places down in Texas I know of. There's a ghost town, but Sasquatch has seen constantly in this ghost town. Well, I think the reason for that is there's abandoned buildings everywhere. It's an easy shelter to go in there. Obviously, no one ever bothered it in your guys's barn. And so, you know, probably no one ever the previous owner probably never took a shot at it.

Probably didn't even know it was there. Although I do think some people know. I, I, I, think some people know and look the other way. And, you know, I know your parents don't believe in it, but I bet deep down, your dad must have seen tracks. Your mom must have seen tracks of this thing going in and out, especially with the snow. They haven't seen something. Like, they had, you're right. They probably had to. Well, and it's like the last show I had where they were camping on this farm, on this farm, and the farmer said, hey, you know, we got a bear on the property. Be aware. And as you listen to these people's encounter, it's a little bit more than just a bear on the property. But that's how the farmer saw.

I just said, well, you've got a bear living on the property. And that really makes that comment makes no sense because bears don't just live on your property. They might come through. They might be passing through. I want to get into this guy that showed up. And you never saw the creature again. Tell us about this gentleman that showed up. Okay.

Well, what happened was everybody knows everybody in a small town. And this guy came out of nowhere. He was in a black truck. And it was brand new, okay? And no one drove a brand new truck. You know, farmers drove farm trucks. And he pulls up beside me and he starts talking to me. And he's like, hey, I'm your neighbor, Bob, and I just want to introduce myself.

And I'm like, okay. And he's like, hey, have you seen those big black bears that are around? I think I got one sniffing around my barn And I said No I said Actually I said I'm a town girl I try to stay inside as much I said

And he's like well you're out walking around now And I'm just like he was just rude He was just so I don't know He just something about him creep me out And I said you know I said I'm gonna go And he's like well You know

Just keep your eyes eyes out for those big black bears and I'm like yeah buddy okay and I walked away like he was trying to chat me out more but I was just like oh my god you're an idiot and I think that's a typical 15 year old girl dialogue back then so anyways I was outside smoking I was but a week later and I was outside smoking and I heard three there were three gunshots

but they were a simultaneous you know they were all at the same time and I I would say it's hard to say how far away it was

because when all there is fields and stuff around sound travels it could have been a couple miles away but all of a sudden and I'll tell you

right now they were not shotguns they were I don't no guns. You know, I don't handle them. I don't hunt. So I can't tell you what they were, but I can tell you they weren't, they sounded like cannons going off.

And there was three of them because you can, it's kind of, it was just in succession. It was like bang, bang, bang. There's no way it could have been from one gun because machine guns, they have that distinct sound. I don't know what kind of guns they used. I just knew it was dead. I mean, it was so obvious

because that guy came and started asking me questions and he did not live up the road. And so then what happened was I was pissed because it was beautiful. I mean, it was just, it was a gorgeous

creature. I mean, so I was pissed and I got up the bus the next morning. And, well, before that, what happened was I was sitting outside and then the gunshot happened and my mom heard it and she comes flying out of the house and she's like, what the hell was that? I said, I have no clue. I said they must be having a party or something at the road.

I said, but I don't know what that was because it shook the house. I mean, it was crazy loud. So I got on the bus the next morning and I said, said, where was the war last night? And the two girls, they lived beside each other. And they said, oh, my dad shot a big black bear loss in it. I said, why did he use a rocket launcher? I'm like, I said, did you call, you know,

what are the parks in Forestry or Forestry? I can't remember what we have here in Canada, but you're supposed to call and report when you shoot a bear. They were like, I don't know. And I'm like, okay, whatever. And I was like really pissed. Well, that night, because I used to go for walks every night, basically there was nothing else to do.

So I was going for a walk and the black truck pulled up and the guy's like, you know, hey, how are you? And I'm just looking at him. And he's like, oh, I'm sorry that, you know, we disturbed you last night. You know, there was a bear in the barn and we had to shoot it. And I'm thinking, how the hell would a bear get in your barn? And so I said, are you sure it wasn't a monkey? I just looked at me.

If looks could kill, I would be dead. He's like, you have a smart mouth. I said, yeah, thanks a lot. And then he just, he got this really evil look in his face. I mean, he was scary. And I just said, no, I was joking. I said, I understand. I said if, you know, there was a bear in my burn.

And, you know, I said, you had to protect your family and your animals. I said, and he's like, oh, good answer. And I said, yeah, okay, whatever. And he drove off. So I don't, I think I, oh, yeah, I asked him if he had registered his rocket launcher. And he didn't like that one either. I figured it was a government guy. Did you ever see the creature after this incident?

No, no, no. It was gone after that. I just knew it was, you know, because it never came back, ever. Did you ever see that guy again? Or did he actually live up the... No, no. No, he didn't live anywhere near us. The truck was like a brand new spanking truck.

I mean, it's funny because if, you know, because all of us kids rode the bus. Okay, and everybody had kids, and there would have been talking, oh, my God, it's getting a new truck. You understand? That's the way it is in small town. Like, everybody, you get excited when somebody's, you know, something, it's so mundane that when something like somebody's buying a truck,

it's exciting. It's sad to say, but that's just the way it was. And no one talked about getting a new truck. I had never seen the guy again. I don't know who he was. Was he Canadian or was he American? Do you know? You know what?

That's a really good question. He didn't have a Canadian accent. That sounds crazy, but I guess he, yeah, I don't know. He didn't sound, he didn't have an accent. I don't know where, now that I think of it, I don't know where it was from. Yeah, that's interesting. That's a shame. Well, and that tends to happen sometimes when people have these things on their

property, these guys show up. And I was curious, though, if he was, you know, had the Canadian accent or if it was more American or that's interesting. Black truck shows up and shots go off. You never hear from the creature again. And I'll tell you, they were not like everybody, okay, like I know in the States, everybody has, I think we're a little, we're a lot different on our gun views of two different countries, which I think is fascinating.

But basically, farmers have the guns, hunters have guns. Not everybody has a gun. You know what I mean? And so you're kind of limited basically on, well, especially back in the 90s. I don't know what, like I knew shotguns and in that one, like I said, I don't know much about guns, but, you know, I know you can't have a handgun here. You know, it's really limited on what they have. But that was no shotguns.

Shotguns have a distinct sound when they go off. Yeah. They, you know, you bang, bang, bang, bang sort of thing. Yeah, there is a pause. There wasn't, it was just so weird. It was just, they were, and if you could hear, like, it went bang, bang, bang, there were three guns that went off at the same time. But of course, there's that one second pause because not everybody fires at the same time.

Yeah, no, I understand. And I don't know. Do you know what that's bugged me? Do you have any clue? What kind of weapon it would have been? Yeah, I would almost have to hear it. It sounds like a semi-automatic or an automatic rifle is what you hear. And it would almost have to hear it to know what it was.

But that's an interesting side note to this whole encounter thing of this thing. Because a lot of times they don't, and I don't know how it is in Canada, but just because you have a bear on your property doesn't necessarily mean that fishing game is going to come out and kill it. They might tranquilize it, trap it, and then move it out of the area. I don't think the policy is too. No, but that's why I said, if you, like, I know for a fact, if you kill a bear on, on your property, okay? You have to call wildlife fishing game.

You have to report it. If basically any wild animal you kill on your property, like, because I know there's certain species that, you know, especially if they're rabid, like if you kill a rabbit animal on your property, you have to call them.

They have to come and get it and test it because they've got to verify it. Just to keep everyone, everything, all the animals in check to make sure that it doesn't become an epidemic because that did happen with the foxes. The foxes got rabies and then they started attacking the raccoons and the raccoons got rabies and it was a whole line of animals because there is a food chain, right?

So there was one year there was a really bad epidemic of rabies. So after that, they just kind of kept track of everything. So that's why I said, I hope you call it. You know, you have to report that. It's illegal if you don't. And it's strange his reaction. You know, like if he really did just kill a bear and some girls said why he would stop and talk to you, that's a little odd for a grown man to stop and talk to a 15-year-old girl.

It doesn't shock me, but that kind of raises his eyebrows a little bit. But his reaction to it when you said, you sure it wasn't a monkey, you know, your normal reaction would be. Oh, my God. You should have seen it. Yeah. Would have been a laugh. it would have been just a day. She's joking around.

Of course, it wasn't a monkey. It was a black bear. That's what I, and his reaction to that, you know, and that's what these guys do, too, is they'll go out and they'll start questioning people. Have you seen any bears in the area? Have you had any problems with wildlife? Have you had it? They don't come out and say what they're really there for, of course. Exactly.

They'll talk about, you know, black bears and different problems. That's interesting. And you never saw the creature after that incident. No, I didn't. But it's the weirdest thing that I knew they killed it. I don't know why I knew. I just knew that they killed it. And I was pissed.

I don't know why I was so mad. But I was mad. I was just like, you know, I love animals. And I think that's a big part of it is that why I was so mad is that, you know, to me, every creature has a purpose on this earth. and, you know, should treasure them and, you know, like, cows are meant to give us great steak. And, you know, but Sasquatchez don't, saskwages, they have a purpose here. No, I understand.

But we just don't know what it is yet. Yeah, no, I understand. I know you touched on it earlier. What's your own theory on what these things are? I know you touched on it a tiny bit, but. Oh, they're definitely, they're Sasquatches. I think they are, they're thousands of years old. There's no doubt about that in my mind.

And, okay, I'm going to throw this really bizarre theory out at you. And you can disagree, but... I like bizarre theories. Okay, so certain religions, they believe that during Armageddon, there is going to be a hidden tribe that is going to come from out of hiding. I'm trying to remember this. It's going to come out of hiding to fight, you know, how they have the good versus evil thing. Well, they are going to, the hidden tribe will come out and fight the evil.

And I just have this theory that they are part of that. tribe that is because they're so big they're so powerful they're so fast and i think they are going to they're part of of the tribe for armageddon that will come out to fight the evil i don't think they're evil i mean i've heard some people say oh i think they're the evils things in the world and they're possessed and you know i don't think they are i think they're like us they have feelings and they get totally frustrated and they act out like because you look at chimps and you look at gorillas and when they're frustrated man they are you don't want to be near them they're very violent they throw things um they attack each other so i have that theory because they've been around like

Like I said before, you know, they, the ancient Indians, Native Americans have artwork. They have passed on stories. And they didn't have time to sit around a makeup story back thousands of years ago. They had to feed themselves. They had to clothe themselves. And they had to hunt. They couldn't go to the local Walmart and pick up, you know, clothes or food. They had no internet.

They had no telephone. They had nothing. All they had was each other. And so I really truly believe what they saw and what they've shared down the line is true. And I think maybe, you know, because they're so old, they are ancient animals. I mean, there's a theory that they're, what are they, Nis, Nisth. Neph, Netham. Nethulam.

Yeah, and Nathan... Deanderthal. I don't think they are. I think they are their own species. I think they were put on this earth for a reason. And I think they're very special. I mean, everybody, I understand from, you know, listening to your show and things like that, that people are itching for them to come out and be recognized.

I don't think they're meant to be recognized. I think they're meant to be, you know, just their own creatures. And I think when the time comes, I think then everything will fall into place. No, I understand. I really do. I understand. And you could be right. I mean, who am I to say that you're wrong?

It's weird. It's really out there. Well, I've heard strangers, so. No, no, I'm with you on it. I mean, it's one of those things where it's so, it's so frustrating because so many people have seen them. And, you know, like you were talking about with Native Americans, this goes back a long time. And even though we do have evidence that they do exist, it's not great evidence that they exist. And it would be nice for them to, it would be nice for them to come out and to know what exactly is it.

Is it nothing more than just a simple ape out there running around? Great. Is there more to it? I just want to know what is it. Just, you know, I can handle the truth. Just tell me the truth on what they are. And, you know, if it's a simple ape, I'll accept that. If it's Neanderthal, I'll accept that.

If it's Nephilim, I'll accept that. If it's, I just want to know what they are. And that's a frustrating part because you get a good sense of their behaviors. But I know your encounter was more of a friendly, But I've seen how violent it can be, and that's what scared me. What do you mean how violent it could be? Well, when it came to the dog, like, you know, the way it tore, I watched it. The tree was there, and then it wasn't there no more.

You know what I mean? And it bang. So there's a sense of the strength and the violence. You know what it reminded me of a two-year-old during its seven? temper tantrum. Yeah, you hear a lot of witnesses say that when they see these things. I've had past guests on that said it reminded them of a little kid throwing a tenter tantrum the way it was just thrown a fit and was just losing, you know, losing its crap,

well, it was just going, I mean, it was just going nuts. And so you do, and so it makes you wonder a lot of primates will act like that. Chimpanzees are notorious for that. They'll throw a little tantrum. Exactly. And they have very short tempers. I love chimpanzees. Well, I'm not a fan, but I get it.

I get it. It's crazy that I host a show like this because I'm not a big fan of the primate world. I don't like to watch the apes at the zoo. I don't like to see the gym. They just kind of weird me out. No, I do not like zoos. Zos are a very fancy place to say that they're trying to conserve the animals when actually, oh, you know, I guess you have to go behind scenes to make, to see actually how they're being looked after.

But to me, views are just a really fancy place to throw some animals in a cage and make money. Yeah. No, you're right. It is. And that's another thing that scares me. If you actually got a big foot live, I mean, it is possible to catch them live. I mean, all you got to do is trank food. They'll go to sleep.

You pick it up and away you go. I mean, it's probably harder than that. Yeah. That's always in my theory. And I always wondered, if you could catch one alive, what the hell? How would you house it? Yeah, I know when I did the- Well, I know when I did the killing Saskill show, people were saying,

well, you guys didn't talk about bringing one in alive. And the problem with that is you're dealing with something a lot bigger than you are, a lot stronger than you are, generally has been notorious for a short time. temper if you listen to people's encounters. And there has been people, I mean, I've had witnesses on the lady, and I've mentioned it before, but his mother went out and she trained what she called a gorilla that was hit by a snowplow. And she hit it with enough tranquilizers to where it should have killed it. And she did that intentionally because she hit it with what she guessed the weight. And I want to say she gets the weight at like six, seven hundred pounds. And so she hit it

with that amount of tranquilizer. Well, it didn't tranquilize a thing. And then she hit it with another one because she had no way of putting it down. So she thought she'd over tranquilize and kill it. And it didn't kill it. The thing got up and ended up walking off. So that's the problem with it is how much do you tranquilize something like that? And then the other problem is, is how long is it going to last?

And then what are you going to do when it starts waking up? You're in a lot of trouble if these things. That's my point. How would you, it's almost like watching a King Kong movie when they, you know, they catch it, and they try to tie it up and try to keep it. How? How would you do that? I mean.

I think we have to shoot one and bring it in dead first and then figure out the second portion. Because it's too, and no one likes to hear that. But I know everyone talks about tranquilizing one. It sounds good, and it may look good on paper, but I think the reality of that is you're in for a world of hurt. You're better off shooting it. Because even if you go to trink, here's the other thing most people don't understand. If you go to tranquilize an animal like this and you get it wrong, you get it wrong, it's going to go one of two ways. You're going to end up killing it anyways, or it's going to be high as a kite, and now you've got an eight, 900-pound animal that can rip you from limb to limb that's high as a kite.

And so what do you do then? Now you have to shoot it. So either way, you're probably going to end up killing the thing anyway. And so I think it's better to shoot one, bring it in. Let's take a look at it and then worry about bringing them in alive after that. Well, you know what's a really good example of that is I love Jane Goodall. And I was watching one of her specials. South Africa, she had opened a sanctuary there.

And what happens is when the chimps come out of sedation, they hallucinate. So could you imagine you have this eight or nine hundred pound creature hallucinating. Yeah. Because if they are close to being a primate, they most likely would probably have the same side effects if they are. I mean, and that's the other problem with, you know, like you said, we really don't. know if they're close to us because, I mean, they do have a lot of our similarities. You know, the other thing, too, with Jane Goodall, everyone says, oh, I do the Jane Goodall thing with the Sasquatch. Most people don't know, those chimpanzees almost killed Jane Goodall.

Not only on one occasion, on several occasions, they almost killed her. And it wasn't just her walking out with her notepad, sitting down and just observing everything. Those primates almost killed her on several different occasions. And I think that with Sasquatch, to now take a chimpanzee and then compare it to a Sasquatch. Sitting down with a little notepad and just observing, I don't think is going to work with these things. I think your encounter was unique. Most people, they stumble upon these things, whether they're out hiking. Everybody's encounter is unique because, you know, no one has, they're, for all intents and purposes, they're not really, you know, not everybody has encountered them.

So, you know, everybody is unique. Yeah, no, no. The point I was trying to make is yours was unique in the sense that it was on this property and it was using this barn as a place to just kind of chill out and stay out of the cold. Most people's encounters, though, it's hunters who are stumbling in between them and their food or people out hiking run into them or people out camping running to them. And I think it's a different type of situation. than just it's on your property and it's using a barn for shelter.

I think it's a completely different situation than... Absolutely. And that's what I meant by unique. Yeah, that is absolutely true. Absolutely true. They are very crazy and unique animals. Yeah, they are very unique. They are very, very unique.

Well, Crystal, I appreciate coming on the show and sharing your encounter. I was fascinated when I read it, and I really wanted to talk with you about the encounter, because a lot of the encounters you hear are very violent encounters, and this one wasn't. And so I really appreciate coming on and sharing it. Oh, well, thank you for having me. And that's it for tonight. Everyone will remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

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