Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:32 Creepy Sasquatch Encounters

Episode Date: May 25, 2014

A listener contacted the show to share several creepy Sasquatch encounters his family had on their farm. Here is a small portion of what he wrote "My grandparents had gotten a small house and lived outside of town.They used a camper as a chicken coup and had a massive, and I mean massive guard dog. It had a large chain attached to the camper to protect the chickens. My uncle claims he felt something wasn't right, he just felt very, very scared. When out of nowhere, everyone smelled a horrible skunk like odor and the dog went berserk. The dog was barking up a storm and just went crazy.  About seven minutes or so after the dog had started barking, this massive, loud, bone shattering cry woke all the kids up and scared the life out of my grandmother. It's hard to describe this sound according to my father and his siblings it was like a semi roar, that was deep at first but got higher in pitch a sound no human could make, and it was very long, vocally speaking. The dog was so scared that it yelped and went under the camper. There was a dead silence, but everyone allegedly heard the dog's chain being forced against the concrete/ground, as if being pulled out from under the camper.  The next morning, the family went outside to look around and what they saw really tore them up. The dog was gone, all that was left was the skin of it's back and all of the chickens were gone too. I personally believe it was a family group that attacked the house. Because my uncle, aunt and grandmother saw one staring at them all within seconds of each other, at different spots of the house. I think the house was surrounded, as well as multiple ones carrying off all the chickens and the dog."

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What's going on now, sir?

That's son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot hotspot radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. This guy who sent me this email had some pretty creepy encounters in there. I mean, it was one after another, after another, after another, after another. And some of the stuff was pretty hard to read.

Like his dog, he showed up. Did you read that email I'd say, if? I did read it, and it was interesting. Didn't he say just the skin was left? Yeah, just the skin was left. left of his dog and all the chickens were missing. But this guy had like five or six really creepy stories to tell of what happened on his farm. Yeah, it should be really interesting to hear what he has to say. Yeah, it should be really interesting. I want to welcome, we're not going to

use his first name. We're going to use Ghost as we're going to refer to the guest tonight, but I want to welcome Ghost to the show. And he wants to share some of the encounters that had happened to him that were relayed to him from his father as they were growing up on a farm. Hi, Ghost, are you this evening? I'm doing fine. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. Usually, when I tell him, but you've had knowledge of this

since your father told you. Yeah, that's fine. Well, basically, my father is a middle child. He had two brothers and two sisters, and he was right down in the middle. and he lived in Michigan most of his life and up in the northern states. And my grandfather was usually during this time he was working from one job to the next. And my grandfather, when this first encounter happened, was actually hauling an 18-wheeler.

So he wasn't even on the property when this happened. and he actually was very shocked when he found out the end results, as you can imagine when he got back from his travel. And so what ended up happening, as I've been told, is that my grandfather and my grandmother had purchased some property outside this town in Michigan. And they had a chicken coup, but they used a... kind of like a trailer, an RV trailer of some kind.

I don't know exactly what it was, but he related to me like it was a camper. And they tore out the inside of it and made a chicken coup. And I'm not sure exactly how they did this, but my father and my uncle, I'll just refer to my uncle Y, expressed to me that the only way to get inside of the coup was to go underneath the camper, and they had made a latch out of the floor.

So you could unlock the latch and go inside, and then, you know, get out of your eggs or, you know, whatever, and then leave, and you would close it in and hatch it again. So they didn't go through the side door or anything like that. And my grandfather actually got a malmute. This great, big old malmute, to protect the chicken coop. And it was attached to this chain

that went right underneath where the latch was. So anything that tried, like, you know, any coyotes or bobtats or anything, try to go near there. You know, that mound was just always on them instantly, always there, you know.

According to all my aunts and uncles and my grandmother, that mound was not scared of anything. thing and it was the friendliest dog when, you know, to the family members and to friends, but any animal at all that came near that property, that Maui was right on it, and it would alert them to anything. And so this one particular night when this encounter happened, my grandfather was gone, and it was nighttime, I don't know what time it was specifically, but I know that it was

exceptionally dark, according to my uncle Wai, he said that it was very, very, very, very dark outside. And he said that he just felt something was wrong. He was just very, very scared. And this happened between 1977 through 78, so they were pretty young. I don't know, in fact, how young, but they were young boys. And probably I'd estimate between ages 6 to 11. but he was very scared for some reason and they were all in bed.

My grandma was out knitting in the living room and out of nowhere they just all smelled this really, really terrible, terrible smell. And they just had no one. They never smelled anything like it before. And instantly, boom, the malmute was tearing up. I mean, it went ballistic. and just screaming and hollering and making a racket, barking its head off,

and this went on for some time. And my grandma didn't know what was going on. She thought it was probably just, you know, a skunk or a raccoon or something. But, man, I can't even describe the sounds that, according to my father, is this thing made. About six minutes or five minutes after the mountain had started barking, there is just huge it wasn't a roar but this huge deep, loud

kind of semi-mown roar thing just came out of nowhere and it, according to my father it got higher in pitch and it was very long vocally like it was a very very long

long like a sustained note or something that's really the only way I could describe it. And it just got higher and higher and higher and pitch. And instantly my grandma was scared. You know, Harris went up, all the kids woke up. And they didn't know what was going on. And they said that they heard the Malmute actually cry like it was scared. And they could hear the chain on the ground go. They didn't see it, but they believed that it went under the camper because They could hear the chain kind of being dragged as it was walking or running. And there was this deep, deep silence.

And then my grandfather, I'm sorry, my father says they could hear the chain actually being pulled against the ground. That something was pulling the dog out from under the camper. And the dog was, you know, whimpering and crying and scared. And there was just just massive commotion at one point that, you know, something got a hold of the dog. And, you know, they could just hear it. They could just hear this dog fighting for its life. And my uncle got so scared he wanted to run out and see what was going on. And that's Uncle Y.

And Uncle Y stood up and turned to look out the window. and he said he swears up and down that there are these, something was staring at him and he just was struck with sheer care and he said that it had red eyes I think it was the way the light from around the house was that they had lights on their house I think that maybe the light was reflecting it

or something like that I'm not sure I wasn't there but he says this thing had red eyes and it was it was staring at him through the window and he just kind of panicked almost and ran and hit under the bed he was just so scared that when my father saw him run and hide under the bed he actually joined him under the bed because he was scared and at the around the same time that that happened with uncle why one of my aunts also started saw something staring at her to her window. And it had, she says it had red eyes and it scared her very, very bad. But I, I don't, that's, that's all she told me. She won't tell me anything more than that.

And my grandma said she got up to go check on the dog because of the fighting that was going on. She looked out the window and she saw red eyes staring at her. And that really scared. At that point, she made sure the doors were all locked. She was scared. She just said that she started praying. She was hoping that daybreak would come soon.

You know, she was scared that something was going to happen to the kids. And she didn't know what was going to happen. And so that was pretty much the first encounter. And when they came, eventually came, they went outside. And this part is hard for me to know because. all of my family kind of don't like talking about this but according to my father

and when they went outside and there were feet print all over there were chicken feathers all over the place and the only thing that was left of the dog was the skin off its back but according to my uncle why he says that the dog was actually like torn to pieces and that there were parts

that there are parts of it. I don't know which one is true. I don't know if maybe my uncle Y actually walked around and saw more than my dad did, but my dad says that all he saw was the skin of its back. But my uncle says that it was actually ripped apart. And they went in the chicken coop, and something had climbed,

literally climbed under the chicken coop, opened the hatch, and stole all the, there was now a single chicken left. the thing about this incident is my family, they won't talk about this. They're, you know, because you get, you get, you have skeptics, you know, criticize them, you know, you're crazy making it up. Exactly. And my grandma, she'll tell you, she'll say she thinks it's a bear,

but she says that because if you, you know, she'll say that to strangers. But if you get her or any of my family members, behind closed doors, they'll tell you they thought it they thought it was a big foot because so that you know there's no way that any animal could open that hatch unless it had plausible thumbs there's just no way they've seen bears they live in michigan they know what bears sound like and smell like and that doesn't sound anything at all according to them like a bear encounter but they won't talk they won't talk about it and you know that's part of the reason why i don't person want to review my My name is because he'll get angry with me about talking about this because they just, you know, they don't want to deal with all the, you know, very cool and all that. It's interesting you bring up the Malamute. You know, I used to own a Malamute, and those dogs are stubborn as hell. There's not an animal on this planet that they won't back down from. God, I can't even imagine.

And with chickens, the way they were taken out of an enclosure that was impossible for another animal to get out of. I can think of another example of them like that. This was also the late set. They had some gauge mesh. The bottoms were ripped open like you'd open a tin can. And there could get under on its back, you know, with about 18 inches of clearance, and open them that way. And all the rabbits were gone.

And the same thing they were, there were skin and hair all over. A very similar type of situation. Yeah, I find it interesting. Goethe talks about the different family members, talking about the red eyes from different pinpoints around the house, almost like they were surrounded by the Bigfoot Mafia when they came in. Yeah, it was a coordinated. That's exactly what it's wrong.

That's what I've been led to believe. Unfortunately, that's just my own personal speculation. I believe that they were surrounded or at least like they were making sure that no one came out of the house while they were taking their prey, the chickens or anything. to kind of protect those that we're running off with them. But it's just one of those things that all we can do is just retell the tail and just speculate about it. But, I mean, it's really terrifying to just, to me, to think that something like that could happen. And there's like nothing you could really do about it, you know?

It's an unimaginable thing for most of this. Yeah. It is terrifying. You know, take my freaking chickens, but don't take my dog. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, you know, the whole idea that, as you know, I mean, I was always involved kind of with studying Bigfoot and Yeti and all that kind of stuff growing up. And I read books, you know, fan fiction and all that stuff about, you know, Bigfoot being a protective guardian or a friend and all this stuff.

And that's all bull crap, you know. I mean, these things... Oh, absolutely. And, you know, people go out, you know, you have... these television shows where they try to go out and find these things and they don't even know what they're dealing with these things are dangerous and they'll you know you can get you can get hurt you know and it's just people need to be aware that what they're getting involved with all the time if nothing else they're wild creatures you're not going to go on grab a bear or a cougar or a

wolf or something like that and try to make friends with it because the consequences are going to be you're going to get injured or possibly killed. You know, any wild animals. You don't mess with wild animals. Exactly. And these things are almost three times our size. Who knows how powerful, you know, they're predators. You got story after story after story,

especially in the Native American lore of these things, eating people. You know, and it's... It's just people need to... If people are going to go squatching or anything, at least they should be aware and be safe about it, have something to protect themselves.

Yeah, you've got to have the right mind. Exactly. Exactly. Well, Goastell us your next encounter. Well, the next encounter happened with my uncle, why? And I think he was the one who was actually the most scared of this encounter.

And he, again, there's actually all these encounters that I'm aware of happened in Michigan because that is where the bulk of my family lives. is up in Michigan, up in the, by the Canadian border. And he was actually out hunting with some of his friends. Now, this story, I personally have not been able to verify if this is true or not, but he swears up and down that it is.

And the thing about my uncle is that when you question him about if this is true or not, he doesn't get upset because you don't believe the story. He gets upset because, in essence, you're calling him a liar. and that really, really upsets him because he wouldn't lie about something like this but he claims he was out climbing with his friends

and they were out in deep in the woods and he just, he caught that same smell same exact sense and in his mind he knew immediately what it was because it had shook him up so bad I mean after what happened to the dog and the chickens and then whole nine yards

that's just not something that I don't think anyone would really forget. Pretty cool, man. Right. And he knew immediately what it was. But he didn't tell anybody anything about this. And his friend started, you know,

saying, man, it's not a skunk or what? And he was just telling him, we need to go. We need to get out of here. You know, this area's not safe. We need to go home. Look, we'll continue hunting some other time. And they're like, why are you so scared? You don't act like this before. Why are you so scared, you know? And he told

him, well, there's a big foot in the area. Oh, as soon as he said that, ha, ha, you know, you're an idiot, oh, you're stupid, you know, a whole nine yards making fun of him. And my uncle, he can't stand that. You know, he's got kind of a pride, and he gets really angry. And he's like, all right, you're going to regret it. Right, we're staying here.

You don't believe me. You watch something's going to happen. You're going to see something. And so, you know, they all stayed the night. They were all camped out. And the next day, about five to seven miles away from their campsite, it was in the news in the town that something had carried a cow

over a six-foot fence and had and kind of gutted it had removed its organs I don't know exactly what organs but he says that the carcass was on the other side of the fence but left on the other side of the fence and that things like its heart was gone

and I think he said it's liver, I don't remember, but the cow was dead and a lot of its organs were missing. And there had been several Bigfoot sightings the night before around in that area. And that really just kind of spooked his friends, you know. And all he really told them was, you know, I told you that there was something out there. Well, that would certainly get your attention. Oh, absolutely. I mean, the thing about that is

that would mean that something carried, I don't know anything that can carry a cow, let alone over a six-foot fence. I was just thinking the same thing. You know, what can carry a cow over a six-foot fence? I can tell you the creatures I saw that night probably could, but other than that, I don't know what else can carry a cow over a six-foot fence. I think it's a within on the size of the cow, too.

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, small cow. Even as a small cow, I don't know if you can carry a verse. It's not bad. Right. Well, you know, we did have the situation in 1980 near Mount Rainier where two elk were torn apart by a couple of saskatches. So, you know, an elk is comparable to a cow easily, you know, in size of weight.

Mm-hmm. I guess the most shocking and scary thing about this is about just the concept of Bigfoot or Sasquatch in general. is the unspoken amount of power they have. I mean, you really don't know, we don't know how powerful they really are. I mean, we know that they're powerful enough to kill you, but, you know, it's just that they're so quiet and so stealthy and so powerful. I mean, you just have, it's so overwhelming. It's very unnerving.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, especially for us where we tend to think that we're the most, you know, powerful thing on the planet, and to find out that we're not. It is unnerving. You know, like with our encounter with Woody and I, I remember thinking that the thing could tip the car over

or throw the car that we were in. We were in a pretty big SUV. And I remember seeing the size of the thing, thinking, wow, this thing could probably throw this car we're in with us in it. And so I think the unknown is very unnerving, like you said, Will. Yeah, and for people that have seen a Sasquatch, you know, you realize all of a sudden just how massive these things are,

unless you've actually seen one. And even when you have seen one, it takes a long... Well, I know that just from the stories and stuff that I read and heard of, it's not something that I personally would ever want to encounter. I mean, I think I'd probably just lose my mind if I even laid my eyes on one in the wild. And, you know, growing up as a kid, I always had fun playing in the woods. You know, it's just some...

You always have kind of that look over your shoulder kind of thing when you hear about things like this when you're out there. But, I mean, it was fun playing out there. You just kind of let your imagination take over and go out there. And I wasn't scared of the woods at all. It was what was in the woods that I didn't see. That kind of spooked me from time to time. Always made sure not to be out there, you know, around six or five

or whenever the sun started setting. I always made sure to hightail it out of there. I mean, I had a blast in there. You know, I always love going on nature trails and walks and stuff. but if you ever, you know, truly do Sasquatch research, you know, or anything, you'll come to realize, you know, that there's a lot of dangerous areas in the U.S. where these things roam around. I mean, people, I don't think people truly understand or grasp the wild expansiveness of the woods

that we have in the United States. You know, I mean, you see all these cities and stuff like that and think that everything is civilized. But, I mean, even up in Michigan and, you know, all the way out on the West Coast and stuff, you've got just massive and massive, massive, massive plans. Huge areas, you're right. You know, it's just mind-boggling, you know. Oh, I go to places where you can be in there. Exactly.

I mean, you just could completely disappear right off the grid. Absolutely. Yeah, you're right. You know. There was one other encounter you were going to tell us about? Right. the third encounter happened with my two cousins

and these are ironically my cousins from my uncle Y and his sons they never believed my uncle this is just what's funny about this they never believed my uncle

when he's telling these things and tell them you know be careful when you're out there hunting you know don't if you smell something unnatural you know you you come home you don't stay out there i don't want you to staying out there by yourselves and you know they would always oh you know you're scared of big foots you know he's going to come get you you know kind of they hit my my uncle why was was just hammered with ridicule from from everywhere i mean his own family you know his kids and his friends and so he just stopped

telling people you know i mean he won't tell you unless he's alone with you but this night my cousins were driving home and they were I think this was in 2005 maybe 2004 and this is what's strange about this is I think it was last week's caller told a very very similar story to this to what happened to them they were they were going down the road to their house and where they where they live at has some woods it's not I'm massive amount of expanse of woodland, but there's a fairly good amount of land out there that's wooded. And they came across this corner where this cemetery is. And the cemetery has only one light.

It has only one spotlight down. And they turned down this corner this night, and they said that they immediately saw this thing standing under the light. The light was reflecting off of its fur or its hair. they knew instantly what it was. They were instantly gripped with fear and my cousin who was driving actually fainted out of fear and his brother, my other cousin

who was in the passenger seat had to slam on the brakes and pull up the emergency brake to get the car to stop is what he says because my other cousin, he doesn't remember anything, the one that fainted. He says he doesn't recall anything. But my other cousin

was knew that he needed to get in the driver's seat to drive off and get away, but he was so scared to get out of the car that he thought he was literally going to die if he got out of the car. He thought that this thing would come and attack on me. I think they were probably, I've seen, they've taken me to wear this thing to where they saw it,

and I believe that it was probably within about, I'd say, 17 feet, maybe 20 feet or so. and he was just ripped with terror and eventually he got out of the car and looked and it was gone and he looked behind him and there were other vehicles behind him where people were getting out of the car with flashlights

because they were perplexed. They saw it too and they wanted to confirm or what he says he believed they were trying to confirm what they saw and it kind of reminded me of what the gentleman said on the last show where people were coming out of their car to see if they saw it

or to verify that they saw it. And he got in the car and drove off. But when he talks about this, it really shakes him up. And my other cousin, you know, he doesn't remember anything besides seeing it and then just nothing else because he fainted. To me, I would be with my cousin, you know, that didn't want to get out of the car. I wouldn't want to, you know, grab a flashlight. be like, oh, did I really see that, you know, or whatever, I would just get and go, you know,

get it on the other side and just drive off, you know, I mean, I don't need to go poke at this thing, you know, and say, oh, are you real, you know, anything like anything like that, no, you know. But to me, I mean, it's always been something that has kind of been a fear, fear of mine, and I don't want to, not like a irrational. fear, I don't want to say, but more so of a fear of something that I don't ever want to have to deal with or encounter with because I've talked to other people, other individuals who have claims to have encounters. And their stories are just so shocking, just so scary in nature that it's, why would I, why would

I want to subject myself to that? You know, why would I want to, to verify for myself by seeing it? because to me, it is, it is, it does exist. I mean, you have story after story after story in our time that it's almost exactly the same as story after story after story of thousands and thousands of years ago. And that, to me, is evidence enough. You know, why would we still,

why would people still today be telling same things that other people thousands of years ago told, unless that there was some truth to it? Yeah, if they were fake or made, the stories would deviate, but they don't deviate. They, like you said, you're a cousin, and that's true. The authentic accounts do repeat. There's, are you familiar with David Politis's work with Mission 411 and tribal

and all the other material that he's been working on? Somewhat, yes. I actually was very surprised with some of his stuff because, you can actually take, for example, I've been reading his Missing 411 series about people who just disappear in the wilderness

and some of them I've never seen again, some of them are found dead, some of them are found alive, and what he calls as oh, I believe that they're grid points, I can't remember the exact term that he used, but there are like hot spots almost of where people

disappear, like up in the Appalachian Trail or and the Smoky Mountains and stuff like that, if you take those spots and you line them up with Bigfoot sightings or with legends from Native Americans of Bigfoot, they line up almost exactly the same way. A lot of these people disappear at places that Native Americans told other people,

their members, not to go to because bad things would happen, such as Devil's Peak or Devil's Canyon, and, you know, things like that that have names like that. It's like, why do they have names? like that? Why would they name them something like that? There's too much, too much evidence to to show otherwise that these things would not exist.

You know, the further back you go, we have encounters, we have hair, we have fingerprints, I'm sorry, we have footprints, we have unknown DNA, we have eyewitness accounts, we have vocalizations, a whole nine yards. The only thing that we lack is a body.

On your parents' property, did they ever mention anything else that had happened around the property besides that one incident? They noticed that they would get steep prints going around the area a lot up in Michigan. They don't live there anymore. They moved out right away after that happened. When my grandpa got back,

they packed up and they left but they had heard stories from neighbors allegedly that there were strange things going around happening in the area

and they didn't know what it was that their animals were acting weird they didn't know what was going on they'd never seen anything like this before they thought that there might been some kind of rabid bear babies or something they didn't know what was what the deal was and the local town

newspaper actually went and took pictures of these feetprint and they took casts of them and everything and allegedly you can still see those casts up in that town to this day my father wants to actually take me up there to see them I have not seen them myself but

according to the family those casts are there and that is supposed to have made local news there. I don't think it made state news or anything like that. But it's just something, you know, people should, like I said, people should be aware that these things are not your buddy, like Smoky the Bear or something like that, you know, that they're going to protect you or, you know,

just trying to communicate with you and play with you or anything like that. These things are predators, these things are ambushers. these things will cause you harm. And Native Americans... You're right on the mark with that. Native Americans, you know, they don't even like to talk about them. You know, you have a hard time having tribes open up about them. And the whole, you know, we traded with them,

that goes back way, way, way, way, way, way back, almost to like first encounters with them. But almost immediately after that with Native American stories, and you have to really kind of dig. I don't have to tell you guys this. I'm sure you already know, but if you really start digging in it, you'll find that Native Americans actually try to exterminate these things

because they kept kidnapping kids, meeting them, allegedly, where they kept attacking villages and stuff. And, I mean, you can look story up after story. You got things like, you know, the Roosevelt story, you have LaFleur's story, I mean, you have a prospector story of these aggressive attacks,

and the only thing that, the only story that I ever came across where these things were nice or allegedly were nice to a human, I read in one of those big foot kind of, it was a really short, short book. It just had pictures of the Patterson film in there and stuff,

and it was the story, I can't remember the gentleman's name, but he was in a sleeping bag, and apparently it picked him up and took him to his cave, and it just kind of held him there. Albert Oswin. Yes, exactly. And I'll say something, you know,

René DeHindon was a long-time friend of mine, and he was the one. Well, it just wouldn't make sense. Why would, why would they take a human and just leave them there in the cave and just not let them leave? That doesn't make sense. That's the only,

I mean, you can usually spot a fake story up, when it comes to Bigfoot encounters if you actually know the history of, of Sasquatch. If you, if you don't know the history, then you're not going to know the difference. Exactly. You're exactly right because these, again, like I said, these legitimate stories,

the major details will repeat over and over again. The ones that are fake. Right. And, you know, a lot of people, to me, something that just kind of sticks up to me is that a lot of people that tell their stories or want to tell their stories usually don't care most of the time

what people think about them because they know what they saw or experienced. And they're more or less trying to just let people be aware to be safe. And that's my whole point. You know, I'm not, I don't want any gain out of this or anything. I just want people to know the truth that if you're going to go out in the woods, be safe because things happen, you know, accidents happen, you know. But these things, they're not scared of us by our lives. yourselves. You know, like you have pointed out, as you have pointed out, they stay away from groups or at least are cautious around groups. So if you go camping or something, being in, I would say being a pretty large group, you know, maybe about six people or so. But if you're going by yourself, you know, be exceptionally safe because you don't know what's out there or in the area unless you're really, really, really familiar with it, you know. And I just don't. And even from the standpoint, like, it's just not.

or if you trip and fall on a break a leg or something. I mean, there's just a lot of reasons not to go by yourself. Exactly. Exactly. You know, dehydration. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Lots and lots of things that can happen. So, you know, it's never a good idea to go by yourself.

Exactly. I was actually curious. I stumbled across this fairly recently. I'm not sure if this is new or old concepts about, big feet burying their dead but you know that's been kind of around

but are you familiar with LaFloors of Bigfoot encounter he was allegedly in Oklahoma in 1855 he was a Native American who

led other Native Americans to wipe out a Bigfoot family group that had been raiding the area and they had killed killed many, many, many children.

And before, when he got in the area, they smelled a stench of death. And when they broke this clearing, there was this big mound, this really, really large mound. Originally, the furthest texture that you can find it will say mountain, but other newer sources call it a mound.

It was a really, really big mound, and that they were decomposing dead kids out that they had eaten and stuff. And instantly they were charged by some large males. LaFleur allegedly, according to the story, he shot it with his revolver into it. It didn't do anything. And it ripped his head off just with a big sweep just went, boom, and took his head right off. Which to me was when I heard one of your guest speakers talking about the story where he didn't believe it was true,

but his friend believed it was true where the big put, ripped the guy's head off immediately. after he shot one sitting in the clearing. That's me... That's the... Rimbaud told us, sir, yeah. That's me... Yeah. That instantly reminded me of this story

where it went straight for his head. It didn't go for his legs, like a dog would, you know, to get the calf or anything like that. It just went straight, swiped, took his head right off, and he died. But according to the story,

they actually killed these things and they burned them. His Native American compatriots burned their corpses and buried the dead children and in the mound were skeletons of deceased bigfoots. And there's been kind of this idea

that these mounds are actually burial mounds. I don't know how any way to confirm this or anything. It's just, you know, again, speculation. But I was curious if you guys had heard anything about this before, especially because when, if you go back to when America was first being colonized, you have stories where some of the colonists, I'm sorry, where some of the colonists had come across these big mounds,

but they destroyed them for landscaping and to build their plantations or cities and et cetera, et cetera. But in Washington and Oregon so far, it's something Renee to hint and again put he found huge bounds in that term so far I've got that cites different of our goals

you know for my organization is to go out and I can say is you know to the listeners so this is just that's just speculation from my part and from what I've read online but I find it to be really interesting and to me it would make

it would make logical sense but there's as of now there's no way to confirm that I just find it to be very interesting because these things are exceptionally intelligent. At least I think they are the way that they handle themselves.

All primates are very intelligent. It reminds me of Quentin's story. He had posted on Facebook about the guy that shot one. They buried it. 100 stayed behind and the other hunters decided to go get the authorities.

They came back and then they found the hunter that stayed behind with his head ripped off, his arms ripped off. Exactly. And his body had been slammed up against trees. And the Sasquatch that they actually shot and had buried was gone. Something that had dug it up and taken it. I'm not too familiar with other primates.

I'm not sure if they do anything like that, like a burial ceremony. But I do know that some of them mourn. You know, they get upset. They mourn the loss. Like if there's, well, I mean, you got like the whole sort of Tarzan. for example. I mean, the mother lost a child. The mother ate, lost the child, and it mourned to death.

It was so distraught and sad that it actually took a human child to replace the loneliness in its heart. You know, so, I mean, these things I'd say they have greater intelligence, and they know, you know, how to do things like that, I would assume.

Yeah, there's a primate in India that actually buries its dead. Yeah, and with all the relic, or what we suspect are these relic hominids, you know, with all the big gaps in the hominid fossil record, we don't know what they know. It's same with Neanderthals, for example, there's, you know, all these people speak with all this great authority about them, but there's a lot of things they don't know about them,

but it's not all the time. You did or didn't do it. Right. It's interesting that you bring up Neanderthals, because I had also read that Neanderthals would commit cannibalism of their dead sometimes. And it just makes me kind of wonder if these things might do something similar like that because they're something that big would need a lot of nutrition, nutrients and vitamins and protein. There's a lot of unknowns at this point.

Yeah, it's certainly possible. If those dirty monkeys, they'll take your dog. I mean, who knows what else will do? Right. And, you know, I'm a dirty apes. the damn 38 right yeah

I mean that's pretty much what it's what it boils down to in essence I mean with the whole conflict that we had with these things back in those days

when it was kind of like that book you know us versus them right it's more yeah it sort of makes you think that

doesn't it yeah it kind of boggles my mind to how people can compare these things to us like the Native Americans, you know, they would call them Big Brother or, you know, that they would believe that

base for humans. And to me, I'm thinking they're not, they're not homo-sapians. Well, here's something to consider. Sometime last, I was looking to get some permission. One gentleman I contacted, I found, was actually a chief and an elder for his particular tribe. And he was very helpful, he sings like that. It's not a, never a blank.

Kind of like the tormentor of Native American folklore in, you know, not necessarily the prankster. I was always kind of, you know, making, making jokes or trying to pull a prank on someone. Right. More so, like, more so like the terror of the story. Absolutely. Like the boogeyman, the booger man.

Yeah, you know. Well, I mean, for me, in all honesty, he was. I mean, Bigfoot kind of was the booge man for me. Kind of in essence, grown up, because I was, it's kind of funny how this played out because when I was really, really young, at three years old, I saw the 1970 version of King Kong. I can't remember exactly what year it was. And that really kind of scared the crap out of me, to say the least.

And then when I got a little bit older, I saw the Star Wars movie where the snow monster got Luke. and that scared me and then I hear stories you know I heard the stories about Bigfoot and stuff from my family's experience and I was just kind of like you know whoa you know

kind of thing it just was all so real for me people number one are attracted how horror movies are such a prevalent thing with humans why they're so popular and have been and then when you see images like that you know the big hairy and that's always the monster in our

our minds is the big hairy boogieman, you know, why is it always that image that insets? That's what I think, too. Kind of like in our genetic code or whatever, like a genetic memory. Right. I think you had mentioned something like that a couple episodes back, and I was really intrigued by that. Yeah, I think Vendramini sort of, you know, he says that in his book, Them and Us. You know, of course, he had that encounter, you know, certainly in the United States of Regions, you know,

in my family's from Norway and, you know, and that part of the, is the troll, you know, that's what everybody thinks today, but it's actually, you know, when you talk about, you're hiding under the bridge, and in other countries, not just a few, it's... Exactly, you know, and I was actually going to kind of bring that up, too, is that, you know, it's not just located only in one or two regions in the world.

You can find stories of these kind of encounters with a hairy, creature that could fit under the Sasquatch family tree or lineage all over the world. I mean, in Europe, you have the woodwoolhoose. The woodwool-ex, exactly. And that was very prevalent in the dark ages.

Almost everything was adorned with that. But it's, yeah, it's mostly the... And, you know, the Yeti and, you know, the skunk gape and the whole nine yards. I mean, you can, you can almost go to any culture, almost any culture.

and find a similarity between the two, or find something that could possibly relate to the same situation and scenario. You know, really the only area that I haven't found anything, but I haven't really checked that hard either, is in the Middle East. That's really the only area that I've not found anything like that. I would think almost certainly there through a history. In one way or another, maybe, you know, we think it's, we think, because, you know, we like to put our own current thoughts on what ancient peoples...

Ghost, we're just out of, almost out of time. I wanted to ask you, hearing all of these encounters from your family, hearing the stories from your dad, has it changed your viewpoint as far as going out in the woods? God, I would imagine it would. Oh, absolutely, it has. You know, I actually have... I don't know what it's called it. I have a phobia of windows, actually.

my fear is I don't know what's on the other side looking in at me and I've always had that fear but it was really ingrained within me whenever I went to visit my grandma because she lived out in a really wooded area and I would always sleep in a room where there was a human-sized window right next to the bed that had no curtains so any and there was no light on the outside So anything could just kind of walk up and stare in and look at me. And it's just like, I felt very exposed. I would say I'm growing up hearing.

Yeah, I would imagine. Exactly. And so, you know, I kind of always, nowadays make sure that my windows, I have real thick black curtains on my windows and stuff, but I don't like to go in the woods during like nighttime or anything. Obviously, I don't feel comfortable. being in a tent. I don't feel comfortable being exposed to the elements.

A lot of people will tell me all you're missing out on camping. You're missing the experience. To me, it's just, it feels like I'm putting myself out there as an easy target for anything, not just task watch, kind of like what you were talking about earlier.

But I just feel very exposed. And so I kind of have to have a sense of security with me when I'm out in the woods. Speaking about how I would stay at my grandma's right quick, my cousins and myself would we would go out and we would play and stuff but whenever

it would get dark I would always make sure that I was either by a campfire or inside where the adults were there were a couple times where I was out in the woods by myself but I can tell you I was scared like nothing else you know I mean it was just something that just kind of

I don't like I said I didn't it's not like I have an irrational fear I mean I like to go out and experience nature and everything, but it's just something that these things happen. Stories, you know, where people just vanish and are gone and never seen again. And I kind of try and take that in consideration and try to make sure that I'm safe about it and whatnot. So you have all of this in the back of your mind when you're out.

I think it's smart. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that's my goal is to try and hope that people will be smart when they're doing things out there, you know, go out have fun playing the creek and the lake and stuff. I did. I had fun in a blast, but always make sure that you got an eye on the back of your head because you don't know what's coming, you know?

And you know that's the problem with us today. You know, we've really dropped our guard from what we where our roots are as humans. You know, we just aren't things and what else is out there and we really should be. Oh, yeah. I think a lot of bad things happen when we drop that guard. Absolutely.

Human beings, we are very, very vulnerable, creatures where we are only the top because of our intelligence. But if we don't, if we didn't have our intelligence, we, we would be easy pickings for almost all the predators. Actually, I think we, there's a, and we, we tend to forget that, is that we, we are a very violent species. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

Look what we do to each other as proof of that. And we've tried to get away from that, and that's how we've dropped our guard. I mean, there's a reason animals fear. us and run. You know, and we've dropped that. And the same with these creatures. Now, then they could have something to do with why getting more of these kinds

like that because, you know, 30 years ago, we'd go and shoot everything. Oh, absolutely. Prior to that. And animals know we're dangerous species. Now that we stop doing that. Absolutely, you know. And it's kind of, I think you might have actually said something about

this a couple weeks ago where tracking and hunting is it's really a learned part. You know, we really have to learn that because of the history that we have with nature and the animals. They, they, animals know we're in the area before we know they're in the area, and they will flee before we even realize

that they were even there, you know, and you have to really learn how to get down in the mud and the dirt and track these things to go out and find them. To me, that just kind of enforces my opinion that we're really just very, very vulnerable creatures without our intelligence. If we lacked our intelligence,

we'd be really, really easy pickings. I mean, we're strong, family, organized community creatures. We're very sociable creatures, but it's really our intelligence that gives us the edge over everything else. For great numbers.

Yeah, absolutely. Well, Ghost, I can't thank you enough for coming on, I can't think enough for sharing the stories from what's happened to your family. I know it's tough to come out and it's really tough to share those experiences and everything that's happened within your family. I know the ridicule, God, when you have your own encounter, it's hard to get your own family to believe what you've seen, let alone share it. And so I know it's tough to, and I really know it's tough to come out and share it on the air.

Can't thank you enough. Thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your experiences. Yeah, very much. Very much so. Absolutely. You know, I'm glad that you guys are an outlet for people to warn and to let people know about their encounters and the dangers out there and just kind of a therapeutic session for people.

And I think that's great that you're doing that. And your show reaches a lot of people, and a lot of people, I believe, are starting to realize the truth of the matter, and that is that these things do exist. They are dangerous, and don't want to cause a panic or anything, but, you know, just be safe. Just be safe. Be smart.

Exactly. You know, and you've got to do what you've got to do in order to make sure that, you know, you are safe with your family if you have a family. Thank you very much. You know, I appreciate you guys taking my call, met me and tell that story and just hope that, you know, you guys keep doing what you're doing because a lot of people enjoy it and want a lot of people respect it.

No, thank you and appreciate everybody listening and sharing their stories too. Yeah, absolutely. Well, I guess I'll go ahead and let you guys go and look forward to hearing back from you guys sometimes. Everyone here at Bigfoot hotspot Spot Spot Radio would like to thank audible.com. Audible.com is the internet leading provider of audiobooks with over 150,000 different titles to choose from. To download a free audiobook of your choice, go to audibletrial.com forward slash big butt hotspot.

So I want to thank Ghost for being on the show. I want to thank him for sharing his encounters. Next week we'll address rock throwing and other behaviors of Sasquatch, but I want to bring Bob on. Bob Garrett, I know Jamie had sent us this video, and posted it on our Facebook fan page on the Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio fan page of this camp that Bob came across. And so we thought we'd bring him on the show to have them discuss. I mean, it looked like someone had been, it looked like King Kong went through the area.

And basically had taken the campers and just destroyed the whole area. What did you think of that video? Yeah, it wasn't just the camp, but the surrounding area was trashed as well. Yeah, the surrounding areas. I mean, God, it looked like King Kong went through there. I mean, I would almost call it a hoax. Not knowing Bob Garrett and not knowing anything about the video, except for a lot of the surrounding areas that you see, I mean, there is no way a person could have done the damage that was done on this place. Yeah, yeah.

Bob Garrett's a very credible Bigfoot hunter. I mean, him and Lupi, Mendoza and are some of the few that I consider. Well, let's go ahead and bring Bob on. How you guys doing? Well, we're doing pretty good. Doing pretty good. You're in the field, huh? Yes, I am.

I just got back up to the truck and we're going to roll over to an area where the service is better. And, Bob, the reason why someone had posted one of your videos to our fan Facebook page, I know you well know each other, but some guy was asked me, is this real or not? It's the one where you got, you came across the campsite, and it looked like King Kong had went through there. Yeah, pretty much. Everything was just destroyed. The trees behind it was destroyed. Well, let's see this.

Will, do you want to interview Bob about that video? And then what I'd like to do, Bob, let's get you on the show. Would you want to come on maybe next week and talk about beyond just a video? But would you be able to – I mean, we had almost 3,000 people to be your video in that one day after it was posted on the site. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We have a huge audience. Yeah. Yeah, we get about 200, almost quarter million people listen to us on a monthly basis, but I got probably, I probably got about 30 emails after that video was posted. People were asking me, is this real or is this fake or is this hoaxed? Or what do you guys think about this? And I finally emailed Will and said, I don't, it looks legitimate. I mean, some of the. Well, no, no, and I didn't know anything about the video, and I just said, well, if you look at the surrounding areas that the guy, and I didn't know you, Bob, but I said that the guy is actually, when he shows that the trees and stuff that are torn out of the area, I mean, God, a person couldn't do that.

Well, we had a lot of people that, God, I'm getting emails left and right about that video asked me, people are asking me if that's real or, or, if that's hoaxed or and so that's why we wanted to have you on so I was wondering if maybe and Will we'll kind of ask you questions as we go but maybe we'll talk about the video but I'd like to have you on next week if that'd be possible to have you talk about

what you're doing in your area and kind of what you're seeing and experiences that you've had if that'd be right. Yeah that would be fine. I'm sorry that I'm in the field tonight and everything. No, no, don't apologize.

I tell people you're one of the best out there, so, you know, you got to keep doing what you're doing, man. Man, I appreciate that, believe me. Well, I don't know unless I believe it, so, you know. Oh, I know that. Go ahead and tell us what led up to that. Okay. What we were doing was we had come down to an area that was actually about 20 miles from there, from where. the torn up camp was.

And incidentally, we call it the hidden camp because there's a camp in there that's hidden, and we use that quite often. We had left this area, and we came up in there and we saw fire, and we noticed that the logs had been spread around all over the place. then we saw the tent and then we saw all the debris thrown out into the middle of the road. I was concerned that possibly there had been a fight and somebody was probably needing assistance or something like that. And when I got out, that was my first thought was that I needed to probably assist somebody. and called the sheriff department,

have them come out there. Then I got to noticing that, well, there was charcoal all over the place. There was toilet paper all over the place. There was, the tent had been torn apart. It had been also burned. And it was a brand new tent. There was chicken laying around

where apparently they must have, you know, just started cooking. because it was still fairly half raw and bites were taken out of it. Everything was just thrown completely out of the tent. Everything behind the tent was just basically destroyed, knocked down. The trees were knocked down. And, you know, a human being, you know, even a lot of those trees that are dead are not going to be able to knock those size trees down.

sized trees down. Right, right. And, well, we started getting some strange sounds after, you know, we had gotten out there, and they kind of sounded like a blowing. And I told, you know, that's not a deer, because it was like blowing through lips and sucking back in. And it wasn't too far from us. and then down on the other side of the road, we were getting, you know, the same thing. My little handy cam didn't pick up the sound.

As you can see in the video, we looked all around and we looked into the tent. At first I thought there was a body in the tent, and that's why we were looking into the tent. and I didn't want to leave somebody out there stranded, dead or alive, and I told my son, Travis, that we needed to report it, and we did. Okay, as we looked around and waited for someone to come, we began to notice that there were ants all over the ground. There by the tent, there was actually skin that looked like it had been pulled, off of something or someone or whatever we didn't know and I don't even know what kind of

skin it was but it was but it was laying there and I and I think I addressed it in the video itself we went out into the road I was pretty sure that what went on here was probably swatch activity I'm not saying it was I'm saying that I'm pretty sure that it was. Right. And we went out in the road. I started looking for tracks because it looked like, you know, it's been a huge fight there.

And we found footprints that were, you know, large. And they were barefooted, you know, very large toes. And some that were a little smaller. And we've studied that for a little. while and realized that yes I'm pretty sure that this is squash activity and the reason why I am sure of that is because they camp right on their corridor this they run this that area there's a trail that runs in there and goes all the way down along the lake and you know for several miles it goes to the south and their trail is there it's

very, very well established. You can see that they use it all the time. And they come in, they pass that area, they go on through, and they go, you know, to the south, to the other end of the lake.

Actually, what happens is they turn west. I've been out there for about 25 years, and I've mapped all this. I've spent a lot of time camping and just up in the middle of nowhere. But anyway, to get back to the camp, yeah, it's real.

It really happened. We were scared. I mean, I would presume people would hear that in our voice. And we did call the authorities, and there were some things that we went back the next day, and we found as far as the habachi that apparently had been thrown way up into the woods, bags, you know, sleeping about. and, you know, many other things. To actually paint a picture for everyone. You guys show up, and I'm assuming this is a research area, you sound like you know it really well.

For people who haven't seen the video, basically you guys show up, you guys see this, what looks like a campsite, the tents half torn apart. You guys notice the fire pit had been, the actual fire logs have been thrown out of the fire logs. There's trash everywhere. and you wouldn't think

in my mind you wouldn't think Sasquatch at first until you keep watching the video and as you guys start panning around and you start showing different trees that have been ripped off I think one of the trees you had shown had been snapped at like eight feet up

there was trees that were the size of I mean stuff 13 15 inches round or more yeah just snapped And then I noticed the footprints you guys actually started showing. You started looking down and you're like, oh, there's a footprint, oh, there's a footprint, oh, there's a footprint, oh, there's a footprint. And there's different sizes of what will look like bare footprints in the tracks.

And this is a research area of your guys. Yes, we've been in this area for about 25 years. We've been researching there, and we have got a lot of stories to tell about that place. we can't wait to hear him next week but so you guys should you guys finally report it to the authorities yes I did we reported it to the authorities and no one well okay

what happened is this okay we went back the next day during the day and I made a little bit of film but the the park department was in there and they were cleaning up and if you see on my YouTube

the follow-up says follow up at the torn up camp you can see if you look at the camp at that video at night and then you look at what they were doing and what they did the next day and the day after that

you will see that they totally cleaned it up. They dumped new sand. They put dirt over the campfire area, and they rolled back and forth on it. They erased what happened. They erased what happened. And if anybody can go, as a matter of fact, I will give you that video of what happened after we report. supported it and what the authorities did if you'd like to have that. And it's very similar to what, Wes, you know, when you had that. Yeah, we had come across an area, Bob, and this is prior to my brother and I's encounter. We'd come across an area where it looked like healthy trees had been ripped out of the ground and thrown across the trail. We'd seen footprints.

and we'd seen a lot of hand-twisted trees. I mean, where it looks like you take a matchstick and just twist it. And I'm talking six, seven inches around, like it was just hand-twisting around. And my brother and I had caught a lot of flack about it when we started telling people. So we thought, you know what, let's go back and let's get pictures. Because we didn't take pictures and we were freaked out by the whole thing. So we had left. We went back less than 30 days.

And my comment at the time was the whole area looked like a crime scene had been cleaned up. You would have never known there was hand-twisted trees. You would have never known there was trees that had been yanked out of the ground and thrown across the trip. Yeah, you would never found any prints. The whole area looked like it was a crime scene that had been cleaned up. It's the best way you can describe it. That's exactly, exactly what they did out here. and see this this isn't the only incident okay a few months before this we found another

torn up camp and it's also on my YouTube this one had a lot of valuable equipment left and that I don't think you know anybody would leave but also we found 45 rounds on all four corners of the camp. Okay, if you're thinking that somebody, if you're going to shoot a pistol or whatever, you know, while you're out there, you know, you're going to stay in one spot. But they had moved around from one corner to the next,

like they were protecting themselves. And the thing that bothered me about it was that there were children's clothes, pajamas, sleeping bags, just everything, you know, thrown up into the trees. There were two or three tents that were down

and torn up. There was magazines, clothes, thrown everywhere. Brand new, really nice stoves. One was bent, and they were thrown around. And, you know, and then we find this one, you know, a few months later. Yeah, this is not an unusual situation.

Yeah, this is not an isolated incident. And the cleanup is not an isolated thing. And to all the people out there, I want to say this was real. This really was scared. I hope y'all could tell that on the video. And also, I want to say something else, too, on the torn up camp, there were drag marks also, like something, or someone had been dragged out of the camp.

I think I think it shows on the video, right? Yeah, it does. Yeah. And I tell about it. Also, I don't know if anybody noticed or not, but there's a roll of toilet paper and out on the road, and there's a big stain,

I mean, a really big stain. It's blood, where it had soaked into the ground, around before we got there. And, of course, I think I showed a lot of urination where there'd been urinating, you know, something had urinated here and there, you know, down along the trail and stuff like that. What did the authorities say when you called them, Bob? The usual, you know, who I was and, you know, what my emergency was and, you know,

things of that sort. And I told them what, you know, we had found. And they told us that, you know, that some. someone would, you know, come out there and no one ever did. So we waited, and that's why we went back to next morning. And that's when we discovered that what was going on was they were cleaning it up. Jeez. And it's called the follow-up to the torn-up camp.

It's on my YouTube, and it's right there for everybody to see what they did. Yeah, I'll post it up on Facebook. I know the first video really caused it stir along, you know, with a lot of of people that are asking, Will and I got multiple emails from people asking us if it was real or what we thought about it. When you watch it, I mean, the first one, I know the torn up video camp, I think it's just over 20 minutes. The more and more you watch it, the more and more creepier it gets, the more and more, you know. Absolutely.

Yeah, it really starts thinking India what's going on there. Yeah. Oh, guys, I tell you what, if you'd have been standing out there, it was even more creepy. I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I bet. It was creepy to watch. Because especially, Bob, you go beyond just the camp. You start going around and, you know, you start saying,

hey, look at this tree and, hey, look at this tree. And, hey, look at this tree. And then you start realizing. And then when you start getting into the footprints, did you ever hear anything about the missing people or have you done any follow-up on what happened to those people? You know, I'm not really sure if I'm supposed. to say or not, but we were, I guess, basically interrogated for about six hours. And my son, one of my other sons, who actually wasn't there with us, he was interrogated

for, you know, close to seven or eight hours. You know, what did they see? What did they hear? What did they tell you? And I don't know what at all. But it was kind of, that was kind of creepy, too. Who interrogated you? I'm sorry.

I know that sounds bad. But, man, I got so much trouble because it was considered a crime scene. Man, I'm just telling you that I just can't tell you guys. I'm just not going to say. I'm scared to this day. And I even, I've even told everybody that if I, if I, come up on something like this again, I'm going to let somebody else report it.

I'm not going to report it, and I'm not going to take video of it. Yeah. And I went through hell, my family went through hell, and I'm not going to do it again. Yeah. No, I can't blame me for that.

No, apologies. Let's see this, Bob. Would you be willing to come on next week, talk about experiences that you've had on the show? Oh, sure. I'll be more than willing to. As a matter of fact, we got more stories about the torn up camp area. Oh, great. Absolutely. That's great. And my friend Tim Sermon was over here laughing because he was involved. Yeah.

And it was quite scary, believe me. Yeah. Don't let those government monkeys and suits shake you up. Well, I'm not. I learned real quick that they weren't going to do anything that they said they were going to do to me because they didn't want to go through the courts, and I don't think they actually wanted a judge or other authority to actually know what's going on. Right. And, yeah, I know I'm talking about conspiracy theories.

and cover-ups and stuff like that. But, man, I don't know what that. No, no. We know plenty of that information, so you're not alone in that one. Yeah. We could tell you a lot more creepier stories about the government. A lot more insider information, the stuff that would, you know, that would make you go what?

Oh, I'm quite sure. It's just that we, you know, we were trying to do the right thing and it bit us in the ass. Oh, pardon me. No, no apologies. We appreciate you coming on, Bob, and talking about the video. And we can't wait to have you on next week. Talk about some of the experiences that you've had. Yeah, some are really looking forward to.

Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of people are excited to have you on, too. Well, thank you so much, Bob. We'll have you on next week. Okay. I'll be looking forward to it. All right, Bob. Well, be safe while you're out there.

That's right. We will. All right. And thank you for, and I hope that helped a lot of your listeners. And if you have more questions about it, you know, next week, I'll be happy to talk to you about it. And I invite anybody to go on and go on. my YouTube. You guys go on my YouTube and put up the

torn up of lost camp, bad smells, follow up of the torn up camp. I'm going to go check a follow-up one. I just saw the torn-up camp one, but I'm going to go check up the follow-up one, the follow-up to the torn-up camp.

Okay. Well, I appreciate it, guys. It was nice. And like I said, you know, let me know when you call me or call me when you're ready. You know, send me the line or whatever. We will. And we'll have you on next week, Bob. Thanks so much. All right.

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