Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:326 The Quantum Bigfoot

Episode Date: May 21, 2017

Ron Morehead will be coming on the show to discuss his new book "The Quantum Bigfoot." He will also be sharing some of the stranger things that happen to him while he recorded the Sierra Sounds. Check out Ron's new book here. Ron Morehead is an 'adventurist'; a positive 'someone' who loves life, but often lives it on the edge. As a SCUBA diver, he swam with the hammerhead sharks, has been filmed in Mexico's Pacific Ocean riding the backs of giant manta rays, and been a safety diver for the filming of Right whales in Patagonia. As a private pilot, Ron has flown his own aircraft from the Alaskan bush to the Costa Rican jungle. Besides travelling to the ancient Mayan civilizations in the Yucatan, he has also flown into a remote jungle area of Chiapas (Southern Mexico) on an anonymous Mayan discovery expedition. What he saw was thought to be one of the last remaining strong-holds of the Mayan people. He has ventured into Western Nepal's Suklaphanta Wildlife Reserve to help assess the tiger population, explored the jungles of Bardiya on elephants, and been in the wilderness of Siberia looking for evidence of the Russian Yeti. He has made two trips in South America exploring the enigmatic structures and the non-human remains of the pre-Inca people. Over the years Ron has been interviewed by several radio programs and has been televised by the BBC and other learning channels. He was a guest speaker at the Darwin Museum in Moscow (Russia) and for years he has given presentations at symposiums and conferences about his Bigfoot/Sasquatch experiences. He has openly shared his knowledge and accounts with others. His book, "Voices in the Wilderness," chronicles his 40 years of researching the enigma. Besides his book, he has produced two CDs with actual Bigfoot vocalizations, focusing on the interaction he and others had with these forest giants. As a successful businessman, and a father of four, his entrepreneurialism has afforded him the time and means to do many things. He doesn't consider himself an active participant in a man-made religion, but is deeply spiritual. Besides being a gifted entertainer-musician, his incredible life as a speaker has taken him worldwide. Unlike most of our culture, Ron has learned to live with nature on its terms and not attempt to conquer it. His story about Bigfoot/Sasquatch is a chronicle that has drawn much attention over the last 40-years. It's a true story and he says that it's been the biggest adventure of his lifetime.

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Ron Moorhead. And he's got a new book. I think you'd like to read that book there, Woody. I would. It's the Quantum Big. He didn't send me one though.

Well, you know, got to be nice to people. You get nice things. But Ron will be on the show. He'll be sharing some of the information from his new book, the Quantum Bigfoot. If you go to Ron Moorhead.com, definitely get a copy. I highly recommend it. And Woody is in studio here with me. How are you doing tonight, Woody?

I'm doing great, man. I'm doing really well. Thanks again for having me. And it's always fun to come by and say hi. Yeah, absolutely. And I have you on for a specific reason. And a lot of times when I get merchandise sent for my distributor, I get these boxes of boxes of really nice stuff. And then it just seems to kind of disappear.

And then I don't really know what happens to it, but I know you will have shirts on. And I never see a receipt for any of it. Or I think I have you seen my new coffee cups? Yeah. Yeah, they're nice. Yeah. Thanks for buying them, I guess. You see my new shirt?

No, man, thank you, though. You know, I'm always good. So I thought what we do is a little game show, win Woody's merchandise. And I'm going to be having members from the website on, and it's kind of a cryptid trivia. We'll go more into it in a moment, but a chance to win some merchandise.

I know we'll be having Eric on here in a moment. He's a listener to the show. Thank you, Eric, for being a member of Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I really do appreciate it. And I know Eric will be playing for a, he wanted a black pull over hoodie, and I know I'll be written for him. I'd love to see him win it over you. I think I have a couple of those.

Yeah, I'm aware that you do. Oh, gosh. So Win Woody's merchandise is coming up here in a moment. And stay tuned for the Ron Morehead interview. Again, Ron is always, like I said, a friend of the show. I love his work, and he did a great job on writing the Quantum Bigfoot. Kind of keep an open mind when he listened to the interview. But Ron's a great guy.

learn so much from him. But let's jump into it tonight. Let's start the trivia contest. Eric has just arrived. He is our challenger tonight against Woody. And Eric is a member on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Eric, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for being here.

Oh, thank you for having me, Wes. Yeah, no, absolutely. And if people go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, click on the shop at the top. That's where all of the merchandise is on there. Eric is playing for the black sweatshirt, the black hoodie pullover, and he's playing against Woody. I really hope he beat this guy. I hope he has this game.

I hope you have your game pass on there, but yeah. Oh, absolutely. I'm really hoping Eric just slaughters Woody. I'd love to see it. All right. So the way the game's played is I'll ask each one of you guys. Wow, guy. Woody has looked up.

had this look on his face like what the heck. The way the game's played, Eric is, and Woody, is I'll ask a question, and then some of them are multiple choice, some of them aren't. There's no tie, so the first person that wins, Eric will hopefully win his merchandise and Woody will get nothing. Wait a minute, I get nothing for all this. Well, good luck to you, Eric.

Oh, good luck to you. So we'll start with Eric. Eric, What are the top three states with which report the most Bigfoot sightings? I would guess Washington State. California. I know Ohio is fourth. And Texas?

Oh, he almost had it. So go to Woody. Woody, according to the BFO-O, what are the three top states in which most Bigfoot sightings occur? I'm going to have to go with I'm going to steal some of Eric's answers there I'm going to say Washington, California, and Oregon

That's correct I think Eric was close He said Texas I mean that's kind of by Oregon What? Okay Come on So we will go

We'll start with Woody since Woody got the steel Woody the earliest accounts of Sasquatch Didn't mention the tall ape-like creature we think of today Instead, they referred to what? Was it A, bipedal black bears? B, escaped zoo monkeys, C, bears, or D, giant Indians? Can you repeat the question one more time?

The earliest accounts of Sasquatch didn't mention the tall ape-like creature we think of today. Instead, they referred to what? Bipedal black bears? escape zoo monkeys, bears, or giant Indians. Giant Indians. Correct. So now we'll go to, uh, let's go back to Eric. I want to see Eric.

I get an easy one here. There we go. Bigfoot snow-loving cousin, the Yeti, is usually associated with what mountain range? The Himalayas. Correct. Nice. Nice one. How come you can't give me that one?

No, you're getting all hard questions from now on. So we'll go to Woody. Woody, the word Sasquatch originates from the folklore of what Native American group. Was it the Tillamook, the Wenatchi, or the Kosahalish? Well, beans here, I'm going to say, Coast Shahalas. That is correct. It's like in the backyard, man. I think I'm just going to give Eric a bonus point here, just for a...

What? I need it. Yeah. Eric. Yep. This man's 1955 Bigfoot encountered is considered to be the most modern Sasquatch sighting. This man's 1955 Bigfoot encounter is considered to be the most modern Sasquatch sighting.

The most modern Sasquatch sighting. What do you mean? by that exactly. Was it by Albert Otzman, Sam Farmsworth, or William Row? Osworth was before that. Who were the other two? Sam Farmsworth or

William Row? I don't know. We'll go William Row. That's correct. Nice. I didn't know that one. I didn't either. So I'll go with Woody. The term Bigfoot was popularized after huge footprints were found at a construction site outside of Calameth, California, in what year?

The term Bigfoot was popularized by huge footprints found in a construction site outside of Clameth, California, in what year? Was it 1956, 1958, or 1959? Well, 58, 59, what was the other one? 56. Let's go 56. That's incorrect. Eric. It's not funny. You're laughing.

He's enjoying this too much. The term Bigfoot was popularized after huge footprints were found at a construction site out of Klamath, Oregon. I'm sorry, Clameth, California. In what year? Was it 1958 or 1959? I'm going to go with 58. That is correct. And you both are tied up.

The score is 3-3. All right. Don't call it a comeback. So we go to Woody. Woody, what is the only state without a Bigfoot siding? What is the only state without a Bigfoot siding? I hope it's multiple choice. It's not.

The only state without a Bigfoot siding. The only state without a big foot siding. Give Eric a chance to look Google is. Yeah. I told you, my phone screen's that working. I'm not. It's going to be a state that's probably up north way of now. That's a trick question.

They're in every state. While we're young. All right, Eric, what is the only state without a Bigfoot siding? Well, the only one that makes sense to me would be Hawaii. Hawaii is correct. You guys cheated. And we'll go to Eric. Eric, what is Arkansas's most famous Bigfoot?

What is the name of Arkansas's most famous Bigfoot? Arkansas, is that, is that where the Fook Monster's from? That is correct. The Falk Monster. Falk Monster, how's that close? That is correct. I'll accept that. Nice.

I'll accept that. Nice work, brother. Woody. What state is home to the Bigfoot known as the Grassman? Florida. That's incorrect. Eric. What state?

Ohio. That is correct. So, Eric's still. that so he gets another chance. I'm failing miserably. Eric, the name Yeti is probably a mispronounciation

of Yette, a term for the creature, coined by what ethnic group? Um, the Sherpas? I have no idea. That's correct. That's correct.

Eric's starting to run away. The score is seven, Eric, three, Woody. And so I guess we'll We'll start with Woody. Yeah, why not? Woody. Himalayan whore. What?

What'd you call me? Yeah. I think that's the local name before the Yeti, right? Oh, gosh. We'll start over here. Himalayan lore, lore, originally described a Yetty as, so let me start again here. Take your time Yeah, I need a

Himalayan lore Originally described the Yeti as Oh, it's on my mind A, a dark furred creature resembling a gorilla B, a tall white furred beast That walked on two legs Or C, a white creature resembling a bear

That's to me, right? Yeah, yeah Let's go with C B A. Okay, see. Eric. Himalayan lore originally described the Yeti as A, a dark-fur creature resembling a gorilla, B, a tall white-ferred beast that walks on two legs, or C, a white creature resembling a bear. I think that I've heard before that a lot of the reports that they're dark, I'm going to go with A.

It is correct. A dark-ferred creature resembling a bear. gorilla. Do you want me to just stick around for the next couple questions? Or should I get up and just check out now? Wow, you're getting spanked. Yeah, I know. I hope you have his address to send his hooty to. All right, so Eric stole that. We'll go to Woody. Whose 1951 footprint

Discovery brought worldwide attention to the Yeti? Was it A, Eric Shepton? B, Francis Lay. C, Nuburu Sherpa or D. Sir Daniel Edmund. Could you do the, could you tell me of the ABC thing again? Whose 1951 footprint? Discovery brought worldwide attention to the Yeti. Was it A. Eric Shippon. B. Francis Lay.

C. Nubaru Shurpa or D. Sir Daniel Edm. Let's go, Aid. Eric Shepton is correct. Was this kind of a shot in back from you there? Yeah. Well, we assume so. All right. I think it's getting away.

The score is Eric 8, Woody 4. Oh, come on. It's a close game. Yeah. Eric, a man named Tom Slick led three Yetty expeditions in the 1950s. What was his occupation? Was he A, an oil man? B, a biologist.

C, a banker. D, a hunting guide. Tom Slick. not a name of familiar What were the four again? Was he an oilman, a biologist, a banker, or a hunting guide?

I think it's A or C. A. It is correct. Unbelievable. And I even knew that one. Tom Slick was an oil man. Good job, Eric. You got to be lucky sometimes, I guess. Woody, ape canyon is a gorge

along the edge of the plains of Abraham on the southeast shoulder of Mount St. Helens in Washington State. Ape Canyon was the reported site of a violent encounter in 1924 between a group of minors and a group of ape men.

Name one of the minors. I shouldn't on the show about that. No. Oh, of course. If Eric was on, you get multiple choices. I don't have a name for you. Eric. Name one of the miners. Type faster, type faster.

From Abe Canyon? Yeah, from Abe Canyon. I have no idea. There was what, like four of them? I could not tell you. Fred Beck. What's that? Fred Beck was one of the miners.

Do you think I was swearing at you? Maybe, I don't know. Kind of sounded that way. All right. Is it killer? Eric. The Patterson Gimlin film. Oh, of course.

Eric, Patterson Gimlin film. I think it's a pretty obscure film. Hold on. What year was that? Yeah, that's actually the question. Yeah, that's why I thought. The Patterson Gimlin film is a famous short motion picture of an unidentified subject. The filmmakers have said was a big foot.

The footage was shot in this year. Not multiple choice? No. Oh, geez. That's one I hear all the time when I listen to you guys. It was in the 60s or the 50s. I've got about a 1 and 20 chance here.

Less than that. 57. That's incorrect. Woody, 67. 67, that's correct. I thought there was a 7 in it. I got one. Am I close now?

The score is 9 to 5. Eric has 9. Woody has 5. This is where I turn it on Since she stole it, Woody Right It's to me, sure True or false

Bob Gimlin was once offered a million dollars To recant his story Of the Patterson Gimlin film True It's true I didn't think you'd get that My first radio didn't Yeah

Eric This creature is said to live in the pine barons of New Jersey The creature is often described as a flying biped with hooves. What cryptid is this? That'd be the Jersey Devil. That is correct. It's a little closer in my neck of the woods.

Yeah. What do they call that thing again? Jersey Devil. No, no, no. A flying thing with hooves? What'd you say? You can rewind the show and listen to it. I think it's got a horse head too, right?

Yeah, sometimes a reporter with the horsehead. You guys can talk about it, but you can't talk to me. Woody, this Sasquatch investigator is best known for recording what has now been coined the samurai chatter. Ronald Morehead. Correct. That's not, Perry. Could have looked at tonight shows.

Oh, no. I knew that one for sure. I'm just kidding. All right. What score? The score is Eric has 10. Woody has seven. What are we playing to?

What's the end game? Until I win, that's what we're playing. Seems fair. Seems fair. We'll do two more questions. I can't win it. Two more questions. Yeah, I know.

Aren't I up by three? All right, three more questions. No. Eric, recently on Sasquatch Chronicles, there was two guests who described seeing a very thin, bald creature with long arms and long legs and huge black eyes. This was not a Sasquatch. The name of this cryptid the witnesses were describing is... Oh, I remember both episodes.

What did they call it in the end? I can't recall. The first one was a girl. What the heck did they call it? A wraith. I know that's wrong, but... Say it again? A wraith? Oh, that's incorrect. Yeah, I knew.

Woody. Yeah. Recently on Sasquatch Chronicles, there were two guests who described seeing a very thin, bald creature with very long arms and long legs and a huge black eyes. This was not a Sasquatch. What was the name of the cryptid the witnesses were describing? I think Eric was close. Is it the rake? Yeah, it was the rake.

Oh, man, that was pretty good. Nice answer, man. Yeah, thanks. So we'll go back to Woody since he stole that. Woody, the Ruby Creek incident took place in 1941. When a mother and her children fled into the woods after seeing an approaching Sasquatch. What was the name of the family? That's the story where they were in the house.

Yeah, Ruby Creek. When she grabs her kids. Yeah, I know the one of it. Husband wasn't there. Right. Oh, I know the story, though. No dice. I don't know what it was. Eric.

The Ruby Creek incident took place in 1941 when a mother and her children fled into the woods after seeing an approaching Sasquatch. What was the name of the family? I have no idea. Johnson? That's a pretty common name. Chapmans. Chapman's. George and Jenny.

All right. So we'll go to, is it you Woody? Of course. It's me. Or do I go to Eric? No, it's me. is it really? No, I don't know.

Who got the last? I don't know either. Was it Eric or me? No one did. No one before I have. I think Wes, I think what do you want? That was me. It was a rake.

It was a rake. Oh, that's right. You go back to me. Okay. Okay. This aquatic being, which reportedly inhabits a lake in the Scottish highlands. Lockness Monster. That's correct.

We're awkward. You didn't even get through my question. What? What? He's catching up? up, Eric. The score is now 9, Woody, 10, Eric.

And we'll go back to Eric. Eric, this is worth 10 points. The inner... I'm watching it. I'm like, I've like focused on West. I'm just joking. The International Bigfoot Conference, put on by Russell Accord,

takes place in Kennewick, Washington. This year, the conference will celebrate a 50-year anniversary of the Patterson Gimlin film. where I will destroy Woody publicly in a poker setting. What are the dates in that conference? Oh, my God, I have no idea. Though, had you started this question,

I probably would have gotten the Gimlin film date, right? No excuses. I have no idea. June 21st. That is incorrect. I figured. Woody. September 1st.

second and third. Yeah, it's September 1st, second, and third. The International Bigfoot Conference. You welcome, Russell. Yeah. Exactly. So it's all tied up. 10-10. Woody made a major comeback. Okay, what's the next one? He's like Mike Tyson coming in, swinging, Eric. You're killing me. You're killing me. So we'll go back to Woody,

since you stole it. Where was the Chupacabra? First report. Was it Chile, Texas, Mexico, or Puerto Rico? Mexico. That is incorrect. Eric. Yep. Where was the Chupacabra first reported?

Was it in Chile, Texas, or Puerto Rico? I believe it's D. Puerto Rico, right? That is correct. Eric takes the lead, 11 to 10. How many are we don't know? Whoever hits 15 wins. Back to Eric. Eric, true or false?

On his deathbed, Roger Patterson said the Patterson Gimlin film was all a hoax. False. That is correct. Killing it. Close game. This is good. Woody. In 1959, this famous Sasquatch investigator stole a reported Yeti hand,

after the monks who owned it refused to allow its removal for study. after he smuggled the bones from Nepal into India Nepal into India he gave the hand to actor James Stewart who allegedly smuggled the hand out of the country in his luggage what was the name of the Sasquatch investigator I know a story I don't know Eric in 1959 this famous Sasquatch investigator stole a reported Yeti hand What was the name of that Sasquatch investigator

I feel like you said his name earlier in one of the questions and it was Edward something. Sir Edward something. I don't know. I don't know. Peter Byrne. What's that? That was Peter Byrne.

We even interviewed him at Beachfoot. He told this whole story. Oh, my gosh. You're getting old, man. You're getting old for you. Getting old in your old age. I'm sorry, everybody. Let's go to Eric then.

Or go away. It's your show. Maybe. Yeah, it's Eric. Yeah, because he didn't get it. Your steal. The term Sasquatch was coined in 1924 from a Sahelish Indian word,

Seque, by what Canadian journalist? Was it E.B. Smith, G.W. Griffin, J.W. Burns, or Albert Ottsman? Oh, geez. Wasn't Aspen? Uh, uh, Uh, what were A and B.

B. Smith, D.W. Griffith. That's incorrect. Woody, the term Sasquatch was coined in 1924 from a Salish word, sequa by what Canadian journalist? What were the choices again? It's E.B. Smith, J.W. Burns, or Albert Ottsman? The answer is J.W. Burns. Yeah. I'm still upset about Peter Byrne.

I can't believe I did that. Bernie. Woody, what is the name of Bigfoot's cousin in Florida who smells awful? What is the name of Bigfoot's cousin in Florida who smells awful? Skunkake? Skunk Cape is correct. All right, Eric, you're almost there, ma'am. Let's see if I can find an easy one.

I'll take the skunk cape one again, if you want? Yeah. All right. Eric, the famous surgeon's photo of, the Loch Ness monster was taken in 1934, and it seems to show a plesiosaur-style creature extending its long neck from the surface of the lake. What was the picture really of? Was it A? A water snake?

B, a toy submarine fitted with a fake serpent head? C, a distant view of a swimming otter? Or D, a person swimming underwater holding a wooden silhouette of a serpent neck? For some reason in my head, I was thinking that it was a float of some kind. I think B. B is correct. A toy fitted, a toy submarine fitted with a fake serpent's head. Was there a fake one that they did with like a float from a local parade or something?

Or am I just making that up mad? I'm not sure. I don't remember that one. Woody. Which U.S. president wrote of a Sasquatch like a, tail in one of his books. Roosevelt. That's correct. Well, it throws about.

Neck and neck. Eric's at 13, Woody's at 12. Here we go. Eric. On Sasquatch Chronicles, when I interviewed Rocky Elmore, a retired Border Patrol agent from California, he said that several agents ran into the

dogman, but they did not call it a dogman. What term did they use to describe this creature? Oh, geez. I remember the episode. Was it Devil Dogs? Devil Dog is correct. Look at you. Eric's at 14.

Woody's at 12. Yeah, I'm aware of it. All you need is one more, Eric. Sure. And we're getting down there in questions. What American Pioneer... This goes to Woody. What American Pioneer was famous for his exploration and settlement of what we now know is Kentucky?

He told tales of killing attention. foot hairy giant he called a Yahoo. What was the name of the American pioneer? Don't know. Eric. Oh, um, I remember hearing the term Yahoo. What American pioneer was famous for his exploration and settlement of what we now know is Kentucky.

He told tales of killing a 10 foot tall hairy giant he called a Yahoo. I think it was one of the guys of the Yale and I, David Cross. No. Should we accept that? Should I accept that as... I don't even know what to answer is. Daniel Boone. Nah, I know it was one of the two.

Damn it. Two different. Woody says not Davey Crackard. No dice. I know it was one of the two. Woody. Where is the sea monster known as Bessie located? Is it A, Lake Victoria,

B, Lake Superior, C, Lake Erie or D. Lake Michigan. Lake Erie is correct. Woody is at 13. Eric's at 14. All right, Eric. Here we go. Down the final stretch. Yeah. What's the score? I'm sorry.

The score is Eric has 14. Woody has 13. First one to 15 wins. Eric. The immediate craze of Bigfoot was inspired by a machine operator working in the Pacific Northwest. He casted large footprints. He went by the name of... I don't know why the questions were to that way. Like, I'm from 1910. He went by the name of...

Anyway, well, thank you, Alex. Yeah. The guy's name. Was it A, James Pelman, B, John Wesley, C, Jerry Crew, or D. Jimmy Delray. The only one that sounds familiar is C. So let me go see. Jerry Crew, that is correct.

You just took a shot at it. Eric wins. I didn't know the other three names. Nice work, Eric. Nice work. Nice work. And Eric, email me your size and everything and give me your address. And we'll get you out of black pullover sweatshirt.

And I appreciate coming on, taking the time to play, man. Oh, thank you very much for having me. It was a good time. Good time, brother. And, you know, thank you for everything you've done. I've been listening to your show for a couple of months now, and I love it. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate it. Yep.

Have a good night, guys. You too. Man, I feel like I can't talk tonight. I feel like I can't read. I'm just like, blah, litter it tonight. But Woody, is there any final words that you'd like to say to the audience? Anything? Just, you know, final words before I bring Ron Moorhead on?

Words to live by. And there you. goes. I want to thank Woody again for coming on. And thank you guys for listening. Eric, I hope you enjoy the sweatshirt. Check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Check out all the merchandise and gear by clicking out the shop at the top. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Ron Moorhead, who is the author of the Quantum Bigfoot, and he's also known for the Sierra Sounds. Let me play a little clip of the Sierra Sounds for you. All right. For you? Well, I'm a lot for sure.

Big rocks. What? What? Oh, wow. It's a lot. Okay, I just seem to be right too. Well, I want to welcome Ron Moorhead. He's the author of Quantum Bigfoot, a friend of the show.

And if you get a chance, go out and get his book, the Quantum Bigfoot. Definitely an interesting read. I've read the book. A very fascinating book. But, Ron, thank you so much for coming on the show. Well, thanks for us. you have me on again. Yeah, absolutely. And as you and I were just talking, you know, it's a very interesting book. You know, there's this thing when I interview witnesses. There's a kind of an 80-20

percentages might be off a little bit, but you know, we'll say 80-20 for the most part, where I'll get like 80% of the reports are very mundane. And when I say that, I mean, it's more physical reports. I'll talk to witnesses that see them running, hunting, pooping, doing very physical things, what we would expect of an ape or a monkey or, you know, whatever you want to call it. A human, maybe. Yeah, maybe a human. Absolutely. Maybe a human.

Neanderthal, whatever you want to call it, but doing things that are very physical. And then there's a small percentage of the reports, you know, I'll say 20%, maybe 30%, where I'll talk to witnesses and they will explain, they will address what they've seen. And they're just as sincere as people that have seen Sasquatch running through the forest or hunting down a deer. But they will describe very odd, strange things that they've seen, whether it be cloaking or some of the odder stuff. And again, you know, a lot of these people I talk to Ron, they're very sincere, very sincere about what they've seen. As we were just talking about before we went on error, it's very disingenuous. If you don't look at the whole picture, you really have to. to look until someone has one in their garage that they're studying in a cage. It's very disingenuous

not to look at everyone's report, what they've reported. And for the audience out there, Ron, where can they get this book, the Quantum Bigfoot? On my website, Ronmorehead.com, Bigfootsounds.com. Either one will get them there. Or it's on Amazon. Yeah. And I really highly recommend it to the audience. It's a cool book. It's not just a Bigfoot book, but you go into a lot of, you do a great job at describing some of these stranger reports you get from people. You do a good job at saying, hey, this could be an explanation for what they saw. This could be, as opposed to just saying, hey, I saw a cloaking Bigfoot. You do a great job at explaining, and you've always done this Ron, I've always respected this

about you. You do a great job at explaining this could be. the explanation for it. Here's kind of the science behind it. Here's what people could be seeing. Here's what people could be experiencing. But you do it in such a great way that you don't cram it down people's throats. And for the audience, I really recommend it. The Quantum Bigfoot, I've read the book. I enjoyed reading it very much. I even got an autograph copy. Can people get an autograph copy from your own? If they... You know, I don't have too many of those left. I only made 200 and I sold a lot of those at the convention here a while back when I first opened the book up two, three weeks ago. And I probably got maybe 20 or 30 left. Oh, I got it. And there, yeah.

So if somebody wants one of those, I'll have to email me for it. I could maybe still get a few of them out. But it's, anyway, it's Rodham at bigfoot sounds.com. Let me ask you, you're going to be at the international Bigfoot conference? Correct. I'll be speaking there. So if you get a chance by the book, the Quantum Bigfoot, and maybe Ronald sign it for you at the International. I will absolutely sign it for you there. The difference between those first 200 is all the pictures were in color. Well, not all of them, a couple of the scientists.

I couldn't find color pictures of them because I quote a lot of physicists in there. But the batch that I have on my website right now, the pictures are in black and white. So it's still a good book, and all the pictures come out good. It's just that they're not in color. And I was offering those first 200 at autographed, personalized to the person buying it. That's what it did. No, and again, you know, I highly recommend people getting it.

You know, the book, it's interesting. You do, there's so many things in the book, and I've always been a student of quantum physics. I took it in college, loved it. And you do a great job at breaking it down. It's not a, in college when we took one, it was a little above my head, but I had a great instructor who dumped it down to the dumbest guy in the room to where anyone could understand it. And you really break it down the way the book's written. You don't talk above anyone. It's really brought down very simple terms. And it's interesting stuff. I wanted to ask you, though, Ron, as I was reading the book, one thing that you don't really address. and I always wanted to ask you,

and I hope you aren't upset with me on this, is you don't talk about what happened to Ron. I've heard the Sierra Camp sounds, and my audience knows full well the Sierra sounds. They know who Ron Morhead is. And for the audience, Al Berry, who was a good friend of Ron, and I would probably, if you talk to Ron privately,

he viewed Al as almost like a brother. But Al came to the camp to basically prove that, these guys were hoaxing. He wanted to show that these guys were full of crap. And when he left, he couldn't do that. And Al was totally, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, Ron, Al was skeptical. Absolutely. Well, the story like this doesn't come along every day. It's like, it's kind of unbelievable. See, originally Warren Johnson wrote a letter to Ivan Sanderson, which when he was alive and explained 23-page handwritten letter. And I was Anderson, I read the

letter that he wrote to Peter Byrne actually and he said he thought it wasn't probably real but they might want to check it out. Peter thought it was probably not real so he calls Albury says hey there's some guys down there in the valley saying all this stuff you've got time you might want to go down there and see if it's anything to it well Al came down and he interviewed us all and we're voting to let him go in the next season and he went in and he started documenting things but I didn't know till later that he was looking at through our bags, he was looking through everything he could find, trying to find some kind of device or something that could possibly cause what was happening to happen.

And he couldn't. And he went on for several years, actually, kind of wanting to prove a hoax, but there's no hoax there, so he can't establish that. But what Al did teach me and very well, I finally got it through my skull, that if you're going to have anything, you've got to have some sense. science behind it. And I'll knew that. He had a master's degree in science, and he took this and got

the University of Wyoming to study the sounds, as you know. Most people know the history of this. It's listening to this program, I'm sure, but the established there was credibility that all those sounds had not been manipulated. They hadn't been speeded up, slowed down. And then we

had the well-vetted Scott Nelson, Cryptolinguish, who got into this in 2008 and actually transcribed a language. He said, there is language within this. Not just language, but language by the human definition of language, which means there's a morphine stream there, which means there's an intelligent sentence going on between two of them. And it just, we kind of knew that because we could hear them chattering.

And you hear the word chatter a lot, even in John Green's book when he was interviewing Albert Osman, when he was kidnapped up in Canada, he said that they were chattering amongst themselves. And I got that chapter in my book, too, this quote. I don't know if you got that far yet, but the Albert Osman story. But anyway, the chattering is kind of interesting to me. I always thought there was something unique about humans and human language, because we're the only ones on Earth that's supposed to be sapiens, you know, homo sapiens, sapiens, that's contributed to humans only.

But these things seem to have sapiens, not just cognizance, because your dog can have cognizanceness, but sapiens, which could that, What does that mean to us? And that's... So anyway, I wanted to make sure that when I did write this book, I've been thinking about this for 10 years. I started writing it a couple years ago. It's just a lot of research goes into this because it's not like my first book,

Voices and Willerness where I just wrote my story and that's all you had to do. Right, right what happened? Well, that was easy. But this, I really get into the science behind how some of these enigmas that are associated with these creatures actually can happen scientifically. And there is a science which most people don't realize. You were educated a little bit in quantum physics, but there's a whole universe out there

that's under these rules of quantum mechanics. That's how everything works. And yet most people stay with a Newtonian physics, which is 1600 and 17th century stuff, which isn't wrong, but it's limited in scope. It's all within a, within a scope. confines of the light frequency. And I get into frequency and vibration.

As you notice, you might notice Tesla, who was my main figure in some of this stuff, he said, if you want to know the secrets of the universe, look into physics, energy, and vibration. I mean, excuse me, energy, frequency, and vibration. So anyway, that's what we all are at a minute level. When you break everything down, we're all just energy. And sometimes there can be a wave,

sometimes it can be a particle. Everything is that. So how do people, when they say these things, cloak, if you jump in and write them off? Well, you know, it's wrong. I think a serious researcher has to listen to everybody and then decide if they're crazy or if they're delusional or could there be something to it. But don't. Terry, I wrote a sentence in my book of something she said. I thought I put it in there because it's pretty good.

Can I read that? Yeah, absolutely. Please do. I'm talking pretty fast. I had some coffee just for a couple of us. I wouldn't fall asleep. Okay, here's why she said, I think as serious researchers, it's just important to be mindful to not discount people who share experiences outside of our body of knowledge. Yes, we must be discerning, but open disbelief implies they are being dishonest.

And for all we know, we just don't know. And I really like that, how she said that. Anyway, I put it in a book. You know, I like that quote, too, that she put in there. And, you know, you see that a lot today with the law. of these self-proclaimed researchers and experts and again I've been hard-headed in the past but the night Woody and I saw the orb prior to that I always thought the orbs were people were crazy they don't exist and then that night was a hard lesson for me because not only did we see it

I filmed it and I had no explanation for it none it wasn't a flashlight it wasn't a lantern It was just a ball of light, and I had no explanation for it whatsoever. But it taught me a very valuable lesson. Sometimes don't be so quick to judge what someone else has seen, because you might just see the same thing. And so some of the stranger reports, I'm more apt to stop and listen to what people say and really take in what they say. But I wanted to ask you, in a chronological order, when you guys were going up to that Sierra Camp, what really happened to you guys? the stuff you don't talk about, the weird stuff. Well, I kind of do talk about it now, Wes,

because more and more people are having these experiences and having some of these things that are happening to them that just they don't understand. It's weird, like the cloaking you're talking about, which I get into the science behind how that can happen. That's really not that difficult to understand, the cloaking part. It's all vibration. And if they have a vocal mechanism within them,

well, I'm getting off the subject what you asked me, but let me say this right quick. If they have a vocal mechanism, which is more expanded than ours, and it is, I mean, according to what curling came up with, how it falls in and out and below and above, and all our ranges,

then Nancy Logan, who I put in my book, too, is a human sound expert, and she says a very, very flexible vocal mechanism. And then you got Scott Nelson, who, anyway, all this stuff adds up to telling me that maybe they have more than two vocal cords. The sounds we heard up there, the weird stuff that happened,

that you were just asking me about. A lot of it was in sounds that we just couldn't explain, like our camp being tore apart, and then you look outside the shelter door and nothing's changed. How do you explain that? Were they hypnotizing us all, or were we all delusional? How do we all hear that, and yet nothing happened? How do you hear a car door slam right outside your shelter

when you eight miles into the wilderness? How do you hear a herd of horses coming down when there's no herd of horses coming down? those things are crazy I mean they sound crazy so if you talk about them yeah people are going to say well you're crazy

well no there's a science behind it so I think the science would be they can create these sounds with their vocal mechanism and I really is starting to lean more and more towards that theory

of how that stuff happened to us now the orbs another story the lights up there Carrie and I were just up there my wife we were just up there this last summer and first night there. We're looking out, standing there, and here comes this elongated light, probably about

two, three foot long. It wasn't real bright, but it was bright. It was shining, floating through the trees. And I mean, it wasn't like a glimpse or something. We stared at this thing for several seconds as it went from one side to the other side of this area in the campground up there. I say campground, it's our campsite. And it was just, what do you do with something like that? It was intelligently going through there. Something was guiding it or something was in it. I don't know how that was working. But yeah, when people tell you those things, and like I'm saying this right now, it happens.

So how does it happen? There's so many things we don't understand. And quantum fixes get into that. And it's just an amazing subject. More I listen and read about Einstein and Boer and these different guys, what they went through because so much of classical science just won't even touch this stuff because they can't explain it

with something you can see. But like I say in my book, the definition of quantum physics compared to classical physics is in classical physics you have to have a body of knowledge. You have to have samples. You have to have something you can look at,

repeated experiments that come out all the same. Something you can see. In quantum physics, You'll never see it because it's in the subatomic world. I say that right. It's in a different world, but it's there. And it's proven or established through mathematics. And the only way you disprove it is by disproving it mathematically.

And so far, some of these things that are out there are not disprovable. They're approved by, like alternate dimensions, different dimensions. The math and quantum physics says there's at least 11 dimensions. Well, we live in three, four counting time. So that means right now there's something going on that you're not seeing. There could be all kinds of things around you're not seeing. You know, what I really love about what I was writing in this book is how I compare quantum physics to spirituality. And I get into scriptural stuff too, if you might have noticed that, where there's something.

much going on in your spiritual realm that compares identically to quantum physics. So, like religions were called those dimensions I was just mentioning heaven. And when you read what Christ talked about in the New Testament, a lot of things he said just points right towards what I talked about in the book, about the Pinoclan, how to become one with the father, as he is one with the father, and stuff like that. And when you read that stuff and compare it to the science that's available for anybody to look at and study, it's a phenomenal subject to at least it's captured me. And I love it.

Anyway, I dug it off the subject. No, no, you're okay. You've got to watch me, West. Just nail me if I do. No, no, no, you're okay. You're okay. You know, it's interesting when I talk to a lot of these researchers. And now I won't say it publicly just because I don't want to embarrass them.

But publicly they have this persona of flush and blood. It's an ape. It's an undiscovered primate. And they keep talking about the science and why science doesn't take it seriously and on and on and on and on. I've taken a lot of these guys off to the side privately and said, tell me about the weirdest thing you ever experience. And I will say nine times out of ten, they will say, listen, this happened. me or that happened to me. And it's what, you know, most people will consider crazy stuff. But publicly, they'll never say that. It's odd to me. You know, it's like, just tell us the

whole story. Don't tell me what you think I want to hear. Just tell me what happened. And I'll accept it. And the portion in the book I really wanted to ask you about was with you and Al Berry. There's a moment there. You don't address it. And the one thing I would change about the the book is I'd want to know what happened to Ron. What made Ron write this book, the quantum Bigfoot? What happened to you guys? What's some of the strange stuff that you've seen up there? Well, I've already mentioned some of it. The lights, the sounds, I think there's a UFO connection. I've heard this big tuning fork sound is what I'd describe it in my first book. And you can't find the source. This is in the daytime. It's like you're just out of your light.

frequency. You know, there's just so many things. And unfortunately, I wasn't taking so many notes. I had to go back to my recordings or recordings that the other guys made, and we just relived it a lot of times. Albury was taking a lot of

notes. But there's a lot of strange things. Well, my daughter and I, we go, I mentioned this in my other book, too. We go out hiking, and I left my pack right there at the camp because we walked in. And a fresh loaf of bread inside under it was wrapped and everything inside my backpack put my

sweaty t-shirt over the top of it so that a bear wouldn't get into it because they don't want to get around that and we come back hours later and the wrapping of the bread was on the ground the backpack was closed up my t-shirt was there and it took how the bread was gone by the way went to crumb anywhere. Those are little games these things play with us up there. My daughter, as you know, has seen them three times, and

I've only got a glimpse of them once. It's just there's all kinds of just little bitty things that seem little, but they're things you can't explain rationally. I think, you know, people who say, well, he's not flesh and blood.

No, they were flesh and blood up there, absolutely, because they left tracks. They had to be flesh and blood. And people who say they're shooting them, they're shooting out of them probably, and they are shooting them. Because I think when they're in our dimension, West, when they're living in our world, they have to live by our rules.

The rules that apply on this earth. Can they go interdimensional? Can they get out of our frequency, our vibrational frequency? Can they get out of their vibrational frequency to change our perception? We only see within our light's perception. And that's what I love about what I'm writing.

this book is because there's some absolute science behind how these things are doing, some the things are doing. And so many researchers won't even pay attention to it because they can't see it with their eyes because, well, it's a theory. Quantum theory is quantum theory. Well, as I said before, disprove it mathematically. It's not really a theory. That's just because you can never see it.

It's called a theory with your eyes. Yeah, it's interesting. You talk about the sound. I'll tell you one time Woody and I, my brother, for the audience listening, they probably know already, but we were hunting. And this is way before anything Bigfoot related happened. And we were hunting one time. And we're in the middle of the woods.

And I know I've told this story before, but it sounded like a Clydesdale horse ran in between us. And we're probably only like 10, 15 feet apart. And we were going down to, there was an elk down there. And so we were used in hand signals and being very careful at every step we took. walking very silently, and you could hear what sounded like a Clydesdale horse coming. And I remember just complete confusion. We both kind of looked at each other, and it sounded like it ran between us. And the ground didn't shake or anything, but it sounded like a Clodsdale horse ran between us.

And I, to this day, even if you ask Woody, there's no explanation for it. None. It made no sense at all. And I remember we were kind of scratching our heads, and the only explanation, you know, being hunters was, well, maybe the sound was traveling, privately, I'll tell you, that's a BS explanation. That's just an explanation. It makes me feel better at sleeping a night.

But there was no explanation for it. Maybe the sound was bouncing off the trees, and, you know, we're trying to explain how, what happened. And so, you know, as you guys went up there, you would think that these things, you guys saw them all the time up there at this. Not all the time. We just see them all the time. We saw them occasionally, just glimpses, but they're very stealthy.

They don't want to be seen. I don't think they're really, well, there's a whole story behind why I don't think they want to be seen and why they don't want the human exploitation of them. But, no, we didn't see them that often. My daughter's seen them over the years three times. The Johnson brothers got glimpses of them. I've got a glimpse of me and another guy, but they don't just come right out and look at you shake your hand.

Actually, one of them did with my daughter up there. He didn't want to shake her hand. Don't be wrong. He was standing about 75 feet away on a tree. We both had her back. We was up there. We'd walked in. And she got up and turned around,

and this thing was just standing there looking at her. And she was speechless, just speechless. And I couldn't even find it until I finally got looking up at her and turned around. Looked myself, and it was gone already. She said it had turned over and went behind into the trees. But I got a picture of that, a rendering of that in the book, too, the back of that book that you've got of what she saw. And anyway, yeah, that deal with a horse you just talked about, had the same thing happen as some friends of mine. I was with them at the time, but they said it sounded like a horse was running around through the camp.

And we didn't have any horses at the time. And so it's just amazing what kind of things happen around these. You don't know if you're hearing into another dimension or if they're making those sounds. with their vocal mechanism just to play with you. I do think they toy with you. They're not all the same. I mentioned that, as you know, in my book, too, what some of them could be,

and some of them could be bad and some of them are good from different genomes, actually, because I think there is a definite UFO connection to some of them. And the most common one, I think, though, is probably the ancient ones that's been here a long time, and they've cross-bred and inbred with indigenous people, and they've become more human-like. They may have lost some of the attributes that some of these other ones have.

And so I don't know that they all have language as we've recorded, but I know I've had a lot of people tell them, I've heard exactly those type sounds, but they don't have a recorder with them. It's like Osman didn't have a record up in Canada when he got kidnapped. But they were chattering. So anyway, it's, a lot to it. It's just

quite an adventure. Yeah, no, it is. You know, and I tend to agree with you. I think that there is a language that these things have. You know, I've had a lot of people on the show. A lot of hunters, believe it or not, that are sitting in tree stands early in the morning, just sitting there. You know, I just had

one recently on the show. And he was talking about hearing this, he said it sounded like language. Two guys talking to each other. He didn't understand a word they were saying and they were talking kind of fast. And I played a small clip of the Sarah sounds. He goes, yeah, that's pretty close to what I heard.

And they ended up throwing rocks at them and just trying to get them to leave the area. He never saw what it was. I do believe that there is a language with these things. What worries me, my biggest concern with all of this, Ron, is what are they? And it's almost a question, I'm not sure if I want answered or not. You know what I mean? It's like I'm almost more worried about the answer. because, you know, you hear about, they're on every, I had Gary Wayne on the show.

You and I've talked about this privately, Ron. Gary Wayne wrote the Genesis 6 conspiracy, mainly about the Nephilim. There's a lot more in his book besides the Nephilim, but he writes a lot about the nephalum. As him and I were talking about Sasquatch, he said, West, don't you find it interesting that they're in the United States, they're in Australia, they're in Canada, they're in Russia, They're in China. They're all over the world. Yet, what evidence do we really have that they exist?

Well, that's the problem. That's the problem classical science has, is they have to have the evidence. Show me the evidence, or I won't believe it. Well, if they are interdimensional, and I believe they probably are, if their creator was an alien, and that's like we'll get into what the Nephlin were, they were the giants that were created by fallen angels, which were aliens. And if they are a remnant of that, which could have made it through the flood, by the way, not, I mean, on the boat, Ham's wife, one of Noah's sons,

there is a chain there that leads you right into land of Canaan, where they were seen hundreds of years later that Nephlin were. And if there was millions of people on earth when the flood came, and if there was a if ham's wife and I do believe it was ham because everything points towards that Ham was one of the sons

no son if she was had a gene for for cane that would have been an ancient one I'm not saying but still you get all the way into the land of Canaan

and that's where the giants were when the children of Israel went in there you've got giants there but were they the good ones or the bad ones. Were they the Nephilim? According to the children, the guys, the spies went out,

yes, they were the Nephilim. But that means they were giants. There were warring people. I'm getting off the subject here, but there's all kinds of different ways that these things could be different. They could be good and bad from different genomes.

And you hear that a lot, too. And you're right, the Nephlem, for the audience, I mean, I've done two Nephlem shows. They did show up. after the flood. I mean, that's almost undisputed at this point that they were, they did show up after the flood and in great numbers for the most part after the flood. And when Sasquatch reports, you do hear very violent, aggressive reports, and then you do hear other reports where they seem to

just kind of get up and leave and don't really want to any sort of altercation, which is odd. because you would think, let's just say it's an ape for a moment. You would think the behavior would be the same across the board, and it's not. It's kind of all over the board. I mean, some of the reported behaviors are the same, but some of them aren't. You know, it's kind of like a coin flip, whether you're going to have problems or not. There seems to be a curiosity with them and how they interact with people. And then sometimes it's just, they seem like they want to kill you.

Well, some of them may want to kill you. You know, that's the 401 stuff all about. I shouldn't say that because he doesn't ever, David never does claim that that's what 401 is. But he's researching this stuff, how people turn up missing. And he's concerned about me going up there by myself when I did a couple times. Because in Yosemite, and this is north of Yosemite where we go, not in the Yosemite itself, but a lot of people, it's one of the hubs. of where people turn them missing, never found.

So, yeah, people ask me, well, how do you know what to do? I say, well, keep, I'm a spiritual person, as you know. I think if you've got your spiritual armor on, so to speak, in other words, know who you are as a human, you will be able to handle anything. Your discernment will tell you what they are. If they come out and tear your arm off, start beating you over the head with it, you know, they're probably not good.

If they're trying to mind speak, and I call that quantum entanglement, because if we have our mind clear and you get in the alpha state, they have an easier way of communicating with people. And, you know, at the alpha state, it's where you're not totally asleep, but you're just relaxed.

In other words, you're not awake, but you're not asleep. And I think that has got something to do with how they communicate with some people on different levels. Some of them, I think, probably do want to clue us in, but somehow I think that they are restricted to interact with people. And there's a long, big story of that one. There's a cosmic war going on between good and evil,

which a lot of people agree with that. But you have to get spiritually minded to even want to follow this line of thinking. Otherwise, you're just going to think there are an ape out in the woods and just go get a picture of one and prove to the world that they're there. Well, a picture's not going to prove anything.

If that's a case, Roger Patterson's picture would have proven it already. that just doesn't prove a thing. They have to have a body, they think. That's why you've got the Killing Bigfoot program out there. You've got all these scientists trying to establish, well, not all of them, there's only a few handful of them, but they're still staying within their discipline, I call it,

because they have a model which has to be guided. You talked about earlier why they'll tell you some of this stuff privately, but they won't go public with the information of something strange that happened to them. It's because if they do, their lava lose, their credibility at the college they're teaching at. And I know that. I've heard some of them talk about.

In fact, I got a quote in there by Grover Krantz, the late Grover Krantz, who used to live right here where I live now. And he talked about how you lose credibility just discussing this subject. Most last if you get off into what I'm going to call woo-woo camp because a lot of people want to call this woo-woo stuff. It's just stuff we don't understand. And that's why I wrote the book, just so people could maybe understand the science that goes. along with some of the enigmas associated with these creatures. Yeah, and for the audience, definitely check it out. The Quantum Bigfoot, go to Ron Morad.com, ordered.

I really enjoyed reading it. When I listened to the Sierra Sounds, and there's three creatures in particular, and I don't know if it was you and one of the brothers, where you say it's a hard act to follow? That's me. Yeah, and you were with one of the Warren brothers, aren't you? No, I was with Bill McDowell.

He was a friend of mine. Just he and I were there. There's three creatures there talking. Right. And it sounds almost like a female, probably a younger one. It sounds like a younger, and I'm just assuming, sounds like a younger male. And then it sounded almost like the adult that tries to interact with you guys. And he almost, if he listened to that recording, it's creepy.

I mean, maybe, and I hope it's offended you by saying that. It's creepy when I listen to it. But the one that's really has the best. big voice and he's trying to, that particular recording doesn't sound so aggressive. It almost sounds like he's trying really hard to communicate with you. Is that what you thought at the time? Well, that's what I thought. That's why we try to mimic them back, but that was really a hard act to follow the kind of sound he made, whatever it was. But yeah, we do believe that night. And that's the one night I did get a glimpse of one, by the way, very fast running through

the trees. But we think that that's how I got coined the samurai cry. You hear that. that samurai cry in there, you know. And he was the male, the big male, and there was a, we believe, a female and an adolescent there. And I recorded, we got the recording of the adolescent down, too, which is in my CD of my first book. But it's a small voice, and you can hear the bigger voice coming down on it. I think the male was really trying to calm them down so they wouldn't get too close to us

humans. I don't know. But that's one of the first times. it really came out like they did before we ever got inside the shelter. And this was three years after it started happening up there. And people wondered why you didn't get a picture and all that. Well, it's not that easy, as you know. If you got it up there with the camera, potential nothing's going to happen.

But it just one of those nights when everything would turn loose. And we was having a heck of a time. Because at that time, we knew we didn't feel like anywhere. They were out there to hurt us. So we was pretty bold with them. I was and you can hear me talking back to them when I yell at them. I just having fun with it, be honest with it. When we first heard those real aggressive sounds in 71, it could frighten anybody.

It was really pretty large and that's the big thing I talk about is how the amplitude of these things is huge. It's like right there. But anyway, it would frighten you. But we were, hell had guns. I don't tell people not. to take guns because, you know, I take guns up there. You never know when a rattlesnakes are going to be on the trail or something like that,

and you might want to shoot a grouse for dinner or something. So, you know, I don't discourage people taking guns. I'm just going to matter because the guns isn't going to, I don't think, keep them away from you unless your intention is to shoot one of them. They're going to see that, I think, through your aura, and they're going to know what your intentions are. You can't trick these things. We tried and tried and tried to trick them with the camera traps or everything, but there's always a step ahead of us.

I wanted to ask you, Ron, and if you could go back in time, what would you have done differently? I would not have underestimated what they were. We were trying to trick, we thought was just a strange animal out in the woods that hadn't been discovered. We didn't realize that they were as smart as they are. They're as clever as they are, that they have the attributes. that they obviously have. I wanted to ask you, you know, one of the things, I had a gentleman one time.

There was a gentleman here in Washington State. He went up and he stayed in a cabin up in Snohomish, Washington. And he had just gotten back from the military, and he just needed time. He had PTSD, and he needed time away from people. He didn't want to be around people. So he goes up and he stays in this cabin. And he starts telling me what happened to him.

And he said, you know, I would see these things. I'd be down fishing and they would harass him. And so he'd leave a fish and they'd leave them alone. And he didn't really know what they were. He wasn't thinking Bigfoot at the time. He was just like, I have no idea what these things are. He starts telling me about things that were going on around the cabin. And he starts telling me about the cabin being hit in the middle of the night,

rocks being thrown. He said they would peek in the windows. And he's in the middle of nowhere. I mean, there's no electricity in this cabin. There's no running water. He really is in the middle of no. nowhere. And so he's getting harassed by these things constantly. And then he decides he's going to leave. He doesn't want to deal with them anymore. And he told me this story about seeing one climb up into a tree,

completely flesh and blood, and he had always seen him as being physical. And then it jumped out of the tree. And he said, Wes, I'm telling you right now, I'm not nuts. When this thing jumped out of the tree. And keep in mind, this guy refused to come on the show. He said, when it jumped out of the tree, it looked like the predator from the predator movie. He said you could still see it, but you could see through it. It lands, and then it's physical again. He's like, I wasn't drinking, I wasn't doing drugs, I'm not nuts. He's like, I'm telling you that's what I saw.

He packed up and he left. How can you explain that? Vibrational frequency. That's how I explain. They have a way of changing the vibrational frequency to become out of our perception, our light's perception. And yeah, that's what people call cloaking. They can actually disappear from us.

They're really not disappearing. They're changing their form from physical to energy only. Because we're all energy. Everything is energy. And they have the ability, at least I think a lot of them do, if not all of them, to become out of our light frequency, what we can see with our eyes. and I carry my sweetheart, my wife, now I guess, whatever, been together a while now, but she saw this very thing happen and she, she's a very intelligent lady, I mean, very

intelligent lady, and she was looking and seen one in just that form, just like the predator, and I don't know if she wants me to say in all this or not because she's a therapist too, but she saw this happen. just pull her right into the woo-woo camp quickly. But again, it's not woo-woo. It's how they do it scientifically. It's through vibrational frequencies. Yeah, and I remember Kerry told me that story.

And Carrie is very sincere. Very, you're right. She's a very intelligent woman. And I believe that's what she saw when she had told me that story about seeing this saying. Does it worry you at all that nothing else on this planet seems to be able to do that, besides these things, does that worry you at all as far as what are these things really? Well, it doesn't worry me because we don't know what else might or might not be doing that. There's all kinds of, I think, entities existing that we can't see.

And some good, some bad. You've got people talk about the Wolfman. Well, I've never seen a Wolfman. I don't know. Saw Wolfman. I don't know. But there's too many people reporting them for something not to be about that. and it could be that

what are they for? Are they hunting the Bigfoot? I mean, what's going on in this interdimensional world that we don't see with our eyes? There's a lot going on and we'll know someday, but if you can get your vibrational frequency,

which that's what happens when you die, it just leaves your energy go somewhere. It can't die, though, according to quantum physics, Stephen Hawken, they've proven that, established that by quantum physics, that energy doesn't die. So where's it go?

It goes back out into the dark matter, I suppose, or does it reenter into another embodiment on Earth? Those are the things we'll find out someday, but unfortunately, you've got to evacuate this dimension we live in. Why do you think, Ron, there's such a fight within the Bigfoot world? Why do you think, you know, it's like I always say, No one has one in their garage or setting. And so no one really knows.

I mean, you can ask someone all day long what they think Bigfoot is. Yeah, I mean, at the end day, no one has one in their garage or studying. So no one really, truly knows. And why do you think that people aren't willing to listen to some of the odd stuff? I mean, seeing a Sasquatch is odd enough. They have their paradigm made up from the dots that they've come up. connected in their mind. So their mind's kind of established into a certain parameter of what they think it is.

The argument comes about because they all think they're right because that's where their reality is. And that's why we, you and I, we stay neutral because none of us know. But there's a lot going on that we don't see. So at least we're open-minded about it. These people that you're talking about, I don't believe, are open-minded. A lot of researchers are not open-minded. They stay strictly within the ape category, which don't get me wrong. They are looking like an ape, and when they're on this earth and in our dimension, they have to poop.

They have to have babies, which I think once they're pregnant, they have to stay here and have that baby. They can't just go out of this dimension. So you see all this stuff happening with people and how they're thinking. It's just, well, I think it's just humans the way we are. we think we know a lot more these things may be a pig rate above us if you don't want to mean by that I mean we think we know so much

but there are some of these things out there we can learn from and there's a lot of people who claim they have a guide that's teaching them a mind speak because mind speaking is just quantum entanglement that's how we sense things and we all have that ability I don't think humans have been shortchanged at all

these things have that ability naturally and they are able to communicate. Once you get out of this dimension, you don't age like we age in this time zone we live in. I just rattle on and on about this because I get off subject. No, no, you're fine. I have too much coffee. I'm just rolling. No, no, you're fine.

You know, I think it's somewhat arrogant, somewhat disingenuous not to hear everyone out. You know, until someone puts a bullet in one and drags it in and says, hey, it's just an ape. Nothing more than an ape. It's very disingenuous not to, if you're a real researcher, I hate the term researcher, by the way. I think investigator, researcher implies you have one in your garage you're studying and you're writing down notes every day and what it eats and what it does and on and on. Investigators, I guess we're splitting it. I guess I'm splitting hairs.

But if you're truly going to investigate this or research this, you have to look at, you have to look into everything. You have to put aside your preconceived notions on what you think it is. Because at the end of the day, you don't know. And I say that to the researchers out there listening. You don't know any. I always say the comment, and this pisses a lot of researchers off, but I always tell my audience, whoever you follow, whatever researcher you follow, stop and ask them, Tell me five things interesting about Sasquatch that no one else knows. You've been researching this for 40 years, 30 years, 20 years, great. Tell me five things interesting about Sasquatch that no one else knows.

And I guarantee you they can't come up with one. So what are you researching, really? You're investigating this topic. And if you're going to investigate this topic, you have to take the time. Now, you might come across someone where you go, well, that guy's nuts. That guy's just completely insane. And that's fine, too. but at least stop and listen to what he has to say.

And I know some of the researchers might look at your book, and it's quantum bigfoot, and it's got the big foot, but stop and read it. The way you wrote the book is very intelligent, and it's very, there's a lot of theories in there to where you might have a preconceived notion of, well, that seems crazy. And then you read what you wrote in there, Ron, you're like, by the end of it, you're like, yeah, I could actually buy into that. I mean, that makes sense what you're saying. Well, good. I'm glad to hear that because I haven't really gotten any feedback, not too much feedback on the book yet.

Because I just sent out 17 of them this morning, believe it or not. And I've sold quite a few of them. But so far, I haven't got any feedback from it. I've tried very hard to make it in simple terms so people could understand it and how it might relate to what goes on with these creatures. So many, many people are reporting. And these people are not delusional people that I can see. They're heartfelt people who really believe they saw what they said they saw. And so what do you do with that?

You really need to investigate it. I like the way you said that was. Investigated. Yeah, investigate it and come to somewhat of a conclusion. And I've talked to so many people that have had, I mean, you wouldn't even believe it, Ron, half the stuff. You think the stuff you're talking about is off. I mean, I could tell you a lot of things that were, you know, I just listened to it. And I'm like, wow, that's.

But by the end of the conversation, I'm like, this person's very sincere. I really don't know what to think about that. I don't think they're full of crap. I really think they experienced something that I can't explain. And because I didn't experience it, does that mean it doesn't happen? Well, that's pretty arrogant, pretty disingenuous to say. It is. And a lot of people look at it just that way.

If I haven't experienced it, and a lot of these people, people that are just looking in their classical science and looking at it as an ape out there, they'll, until they experience something unusual and very unusual, they're probably never going to buy into how that happen, you know, if they see one disappear. And I've talked to too many people that have said they've seen them disappear, cloak, just like you said that guy said came out of the tree. Also, I've got people I believe totally, and I haven't seen it myself, but say they energize within a tree.

And they can actually go inside a tree. Of course, if they're in dimensional, it's not hard to believe at all because you're just energy going into energy. And there's something going on with these things with energy. I think it takes energy for them to cloak. And I think the tree may get sucked out of some of those. Well, and you may not be too far off. Every time I've heard something like that from a witness, there's always a tree

involved, which is weird. It's never just an open field. There's always something with the tree. so you may not be far off in your theory. I wanted to ask you, you said something earlier as far as them not wanting to be found. And see, when I look at some of this stuff, Ron, and maybe it's the spiritual side of me, maybe it's the old religious side of me. When I hear some of this stuff, I think, wow, that sounds very demonic.

That sounds very demonic. A lot of the mind-speak stuff that people talk about, if you look at poltergeist accounts and people who have real problems with poltergeist, And I always tell people, if you don't believe in demons, go buy a Ouija board. Go play with it for 90 days. And then come back and tell me demons aren't real. I guarantee that won't happen. I guarantee you'll be a believer really quick that demons are real.

But when you hear a lot of the mind-speak stuff and you hear a lot of these odd, strange reports, it sounds very demonic. Don't you think? Or am I just looking at it through religious eyes? I think it could be demonic. but I don't think anything can overtake you unless you allow it to you. And mind speaking doesn't overtake. That's just connecting to the piney gland inside of you. If you've got that cleared up and you're in the right state of framing or your mind,

that's how you get intuition. We're made to have those feelings. And I think you have to just use your discernment, have your spiritual armor on, I'll call it that way, because I think if we got all that on, you're going to discern what's right and what. what's wrong. If something's coming in and telling you to go jump off a cliff, well, I don't

think you want to pay attention to that. But something's coming in saying, hey, turn right, not left, maybe there's something better over there. I think we have a sense, because we're all one, if you really want to get into all this, how this energy works, we're all part of an energy force. I think that's what God is. God is energy. And if we can communicate with that, as Christ said, I wish it all could be one with the father as I am. As long as you got your heart set right and your mindset right and you got your spiritual armor on, you're going to be able to connect with that energy and it's going to lead you into everything that's right. And it won't get you into wrong things if you're saying tuned into it.

And I just, I love this stuff because it seems so real to me. But again, my reality may not be somebody else's reality. No, I understand what you mean. I mean, I talked to a guy. Actually, I've talked to a couple of people. I can think of one in particular who was pretty high up in a church, and he was surrounded by these things. And they were throwing rocks at him, and they were just tormenting this guy. He was just hiking.

And he sat down and prayed. And then they left him alone. And you look at that and you go, well, that's probably coincidence. But I've heard that on several occasions, which makes me worry a little bit because it's like, well, what are these things? if the power of prayer makes them go away, there's only one other thing that makes the power of prayer go away, and that's demons. It worries me a little bit. One of the things you mentioned earlier, you talked about they don't want to be found. I'll tell you a quick story, and then I'd like your opinion on it, your opinion on why they don't want to be found.

So the two brothers I mentioned, they had set up a camera trap. One of the brothers did. It was four cameras. and he knew where they were coming up and down this ridge line. He just knew where they were, and they were all over this guy's property. And he said during the day and at night, they were up high up on this ridge line away from his home. Now to come down off this ridge line, you had to walk through this certain corridor to get down off this ridge line, unless you wanted to jump. You had to come down through this ridge line.

And it opened up into an area. Well, he had put a bunch of food out there for them. He had set up four camera traps around this area where. they had to cross through. And he said, you know, Wes, and he told me before he set it up, he goes, I'm going to get you some of the clarest picture you've ever seen of one of these things, because they have to come through this area. And I have four game cam set up around this area. It's completely, you know, if one fails, it's going to be perfect.

So I said, great, let me know if something happens. I'd love to know if something happens. Well, after the whole incident of the spirit medium coming out and all this other stuff, I had come up in conversation. I'd asked him. I said, whatever happened to those camera traps? And he said, he didn't really want to talk about it. And I said, well, just tell me. I mean, for God's sakes, I do a show on Sasquash, tell me what happened. I mean, I'm sure it's not the weirdest thing that I've ever heard. And so he was telling me about, he had set up this food in the middle of this area. And he went back and the food was gone. And so he thought, well, I'm going to get a raccoon. I'm going to get a bear or a saskwad. I'm going to get something eating this food. And so he pulls the cameras off. And he said the first camera failed at about four minutes, it was like four or five minutes and it failed. And so he thought, oh, that's strange.

The food was gone when he went back. So he pulls the second camera down because the first one failed at a certain time, time period. The second camera had failed at the exact moment that first camera failed. Now, I can understand that. You know, I'm a technology guy. I've had technology fail on me before. The third one failed.

The fourth one failed. Now, I can understand one or two failing. But four? I mean, he said it was just black. All four cameras failed at the exact same time, and it was just black. And the food was gone. And then the cameras came back on. And that worries me when I hear that stuff.

But what is your theory on why they don't want to be found? Well, I think they're restricted by the creator for involvement into humans. and that's what I think. I don't think it's the time yet for them to do what they're supposed to do in the long run, whatever that is. The cameras failing is not unusual. We had our cameras all, something going wrong with them. Our batteries would go dead up there. Scott Nelson, the cryptolinguists that went up there, he would have his batteries failing.

He went up there enough batteries to last forever. but all of a sudden they wouldn't work. I think I'd talk about my batteries, my brand new lithium batteries one night when these things, this in 2011. I was by myself when I heard this big pop right outside my tent, a little tent I set up. I didn't want to sleep inside the shelter that night

because it was about to clap from the winter snow load. And anyway, this pop, I'd explain, I get a little further into the pop because I really think it might have been not something hitting a tree like I originally thought, but maybe something energetically coming out of the tree because something was there and it was walking around. And when I heard the chatter later,

I tried to turn my recorder on and the batteries were dead. Brand new lithium batteries. I just put them in when I got there and I checked them and everything was fine, but they wouldn't work later. And how do they do that stuff? You know, I don't know. there's probably a science behind it and it's probably into physics,

but how they got them to go back again. Now, mine didn't come back again, but if these guys had their four cameras drained and then all of a sudden recharged, where they worked afterwards, does he know how much time was missing? It was four minutes, four minutes of time was missing. There's also people, two different people I know,

popular people actually, who set camera traps and all of a sudden, with the camera going, the food just turns out of missing, or when the camera didn't catch what took it. Now, that's strange, but still it fits right into my quantum time that I write a chapter about that, how time really exists and how we just perceive it. And that's different. I think these things can move so rapidly, too, and probably cloak is the same,

well, that's what they're doing, a lot of them, getting out of our perception. and they got out of the camera's perception, too. If you notice a lot of orbs, you can photograph with a camera, but your eye won't see them sometimes. That's common. Orbs are, who knows what those are? There's all kinds of things we don't understand, you know, West. No, there is.

Yeah, the more we study it, the more we look at it, the more we keep an open mind, the more likely it is that you will understand it sometime. What worries me, though, is I look at it. at it and I think, and maybe it's a religious side of me, I honestly think on some of the stuff, it, it, it, maybe it's because I avoid the demonic that when I hear of certain things like batteries draining, you hear a lot of paranormal guys. They experience the same thing. They'll go into an old haunted house. They'll be recording with their cameras and all of a sudden their batteries

are drained. And it just worries me, it's kind of like going back to the cover up. You know, the, the days of me saying this is being covered up because of the spotted owl and because we'd have to have protection you know the protection for them and this i think a bunch of that's hogwash if you don't my honest opinion i don't buy into any of that anymore i don't think it's being covered up for that reason there's something else there's some other reason why it's being covered up and it has nothing to do with you know we'd have to set aside land for them we'd have to have protection for them. We'd have to have the, that's hogwash. I just think that's hogwash. I don't think that has anything to do with really why it's being covered up. And I've talked to people who've

really run into real cover-up stuff with these things. And it seems like anytime they get any sort of real evidence with these things, that's when the government becomes really interested in what you're doing. If you're talking about encounter stories and if you're talking about what people ran into, are they happy about it? Probably not. Are they going to bother you? Probably not. I think the moment you start coming across real evidence of these things, I think you'll get the government's attention really quick. And it makes you wonder why. Why, why is this being covered up? Why are they aliens? If they're aliens, just tell us that. I'm open to, I know you talk about the alien connection. I want to ask you about that. But if that's a case, then just tell us that.

You know, just be straight with us on what happened, you know, what they are. To say that they're in Australia, they're in Russia, they're in China, they're in the United States, they're in Canada. And yet, there's not a lot of evidence that they exist. It's odd. It's really odd. You know, and it's frustrating. Because I've seen them, you've seen them. I have several, I have cops that have seen them. I've had judges that have seen them. You know, all people from all walks of life have seen these things, yet there's just a weird cover-up with it. And why is that? Yeah, why is that? That's a good question. Is it because it'll throw a kink into the Darwinism, all the history books are going to be rewritten?

Is it because aliens are here and our government does know about it? Is it because maybe there's a secret, there's this conspiracy going on? And we're not allowed to know a lot of things. It's like all the information. Do we really believe everything our government's telling us right now? Most people don't. And I'm one of them. I don't believe what I hear.

I don't believe what I hear on the news hardly ever, because you don't know what's really going on. That's why I kind of impressed my people. Don't judge other people because you don't know what's really happening. And we all like to know, but it's going to throw a kink in a lot of things if the actual truth comes out, which it will someday. I don't know if it'll be in our lifetime, but these things are multiplying. There's more and more evidence of them, more and more people are seeing them,

more and more people have UFO stories to tell. South America, Central America, Canada. UFOs are going to be pretty commonplace, but you report one here and somebody's going to laugh at you, and they're going to grin and wink an eyebrow, and weak something at you when they're telling on the news. It's just the way our culture is right here in the United States. But I think there is a negative,

and a positive going on in this alternate dimension that we've talked about and some are good and some are bad and I think there's a cosmic war going on and I think I got that in one of my parts of one of my book there too and what the end result

is I think it's just not time right now for that to come down but it will come down and it may be in our lifetime when this time period will stop time won't stop but this period of time will stop.

And I think that's when these things may be loosed out to help us or hurt us. And the question is, well, we'll be ready. I think you will be ready if you have your spiritual armor on. I've said this two or three times already. But you've got to know who you are as a human made in the image of God. I mean, that's pretty profound. Think about it. I mean, what is God?

God is energy. We're in his image to be creators. But we're not creating. We're not walking on. water. We're not doing everything that Christ told us we could do. We're not raising the dead. We're not doing any of that stuff. And yet we have that ability within us. So I think mankind needs to evolve. These things, whatever they are, have the attribute that's maybe a step ahead of us right now.

But not because we can't be there. It's just because we haven't learned how yet. So this is keeping open of mind, I guess, is the best way to screen that. Yeah, no, and I agree with you. You have to in the subject. I think if you have come to the conclusion, and I know most of my audience isn't probably going to be happy me saying this, but if you've come to the conclusion, whatever your conclusion is, whether it's an ape, whether it's an alien, then you already have it figured out. There's no sense in learning anymore because you have it figured out in your mind. But the fact is until one actually is brought in physically, no one has. has anything figured out. And does it frustrate you sometimes, Ron, because I know for the longest time you didn't talk about any of that stuff. You just avoided it like the plague. Does it frustrate you when you talk to other quote-unquote researchers and they're unwilling to hear what you have to say? Yeah, a little bit. Because if they're unwilling, I don't talk to them anymore until they ask a question, I don't feel like they're ready for the answer.

So they need to ask me something before I'll make a statement. And I'll tell them what I think at that point. Once I've sensed that they're working against me or something, I just don't say anymore. Why? They've got their mind made up. I don't have my mind made up. I just seems like over the years, 45 years have been doing this, Wes, and more than that now, that's what I said last year.

But, you know, I've thought this and I've thought that, and all these things lead you into another step, another place in your paradigm. You start putting all the dots together to make the picture that you've got. And each time you learn something new, you can add another dot there. And first thing you know, you've got something kind of holds water. Classical science doesn't answer this for us. Now, you said when they bring one in, they will know, well, we'll know about it. that one. We won't know about them all. We'll only know about the one. We'll find out if he's got two parietal bones or one parietal bone in his head. We'll find out, you know, what the

Sadro crest is about, while some have it, some white, some don't, some don't have it. It's just there, there are different ones, and we'll only know about that one. And sure, it'll be, if it ever happens, and it might happen, but if it ever happens, where one is brought in, and surely it will be someday. Somebody's going to nail one and get away with it. I shouldn't say that because I don't know that to be. No, I understand. Yeah. But, yeah, we'll only know about that one.

We'll know if it's what it is because I think the metacondro DNA, the maternal side, is probably going to show up human, just because that's probably what they are. They are part human. What gives them their sapiens. The nuclear DNA is another story. That will tell us where the father came from, really. If it's alien or if it's some type of ancient troglodyte. Yeah. And I think probably what you just nailed on there is probably why it's being covered up.

I mean, and that's just my own theory. But the notion that it's just an ape out there running around that we haven't cut up with, again, I have a hard time really buying into that. I just do. And, you know, a lot of these people who have it figured out, show me. Show me what you got. Let's see what you got. But they got nothing.

No one really has anything. I mean, you have great sounds. Roger Patterson, Bob Gimelman, they filmed a great video of one. But it's all, you can just take little bits and pieces and come up with a theory based on it. But you're right, Ron, there's a lot of things you can't explain. You know, I'll talk to people who run into weird. I'll give you an example. There was a lady at one time I talked to, and I won't say who she was. Publicly, she's very much like, you know, science, science, science. This is why science just doesn't take it seriously on and on and on. I mean, just, you know, you think she's a scientist. She probably just has a high school diploma, but the way she talks, you think she's some

scientist. And I took her to the side one time, and I was asking her privately, have you ever had anything odd happened? Have you ever had any, what's like the strangest thing that you ever have happened when you're out here? And she privately was talking about mindspeak, and I was blown away by it. because you see this online persona of, you know, it's an ape, it's giganticipithecus, and then privately she tells you weird things that have, you know, a senior warbs.

You mentioned something about science a minute ago. It reminds me of something I've dug out of live science. This paragraph here, I'd like to read it too. Can I read it? Yeah, absolutely. It says science must change as it discovers that its net of evidence is equipped only to catch certain kinds of fish, and that is constructed of webs of assumption that can only hold certain varieties of reality while others escape its net entirely. Science, perhaps without even

being aware of it, has narrowed its field of vision. And anyway, I like that sentence. No, I do too, and I tend to agree with you. You know, you hear about all this science, scientists and science that, and it's interesting when they, you know, they talk about us coming from cavemen. Well, explain to me how the people. pyramids were built in. Explain to me how you're telling me some cave, some dumb cavemen, we came from this or we came from monkeys. Give me a break. Really look at history and then explain to me how this stuff happened. Don't tell me that we came from apes and, you know, back in the day they built the pyramids or they built, you know, you can look at some of the ancient, and I know

you're a student of history, so you know this more than anyone wrong. But for the audience, when you start looking at some of the historical things that have happened thousands of years ago, it's almost like we're a dumber version of ourselves back then. I almost think we were smarter back then than we are today. We've become a dumb version of ourselves back then. But if you listen to science, we came from cavemen. Well, give me a break. You know what I mean?

It's like you're not going to sell me that bill of goods. Well, as you know, I've been into Peru and Bolivia a couple times. and with scientists. And we looked into the megalactic structures, the pre-Inca people, and there were hybrids. And that's all there is to it. They have a single parietal bone. That's why I wanted the sagittal surgery,

the elongated skulls that came across down there and all. They were not totally human. So what do you do with that? There has been people here that have advanced knowledge, So how to move those big boulders or some of them over a hundred ton into areas 13,000 feet up on a mountain with no mortar at all, put them together like a jigsaw puzzle. And, yeah, there's been advanced people here. So how do we get dumbed up? I think we've calcified our Pino-Clanpeas where we're not making the connection that we have or we're entitled to make.

We're entitled to have that connection with the total energy of the universe. And that's where God is. and that's what will give us our real reality. You know, the book, again, for the audience, the Quantum Bigfoot, go to Amazon, go to Ronmorehead.com, get yourself a copy. I really enjoyed reading it. I always enjoy talking to Ron.

You know, you and I talk, you know, I'm sure we'll talk at the International Bigfoot Conference, but I just enjoy our conversations, Ron. There's a lot of things that have happened throughout the show and over the years, don't have an answer for. You know, it doesn't fit into the ape theory. And you're one of the guys that never beats me up about it. And I'll come talk to you about it. And you'll say, well, it could be this or it could be that. And you just kind of walk me through it. And I've always

appreciated that about you very much. And you don't see a lot of that in the in the Bigfoot world. I know most of my audience isn't in the Bigfoot world. But it's a landmine. It's a land, it's a minefield in the Bigfoot world. People are so quick to cut each other's throats. And I've always appreciated our friendship. And I hope people go out there and get it. The Quantum Bigfoot by Ron Moorhead. Go to Ronmorehead.com. And while you're there, definitely pick up the Sierra Sounds.

It's some of the coolest audio you'll over here. But Ron, I really appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you, Wes. I appreciate you having me again. Thanks, Ron. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

want to thank Eric for coming on. We'll get your Sasquatch Chronicle sweatshirt out to you. I also want to thank Woody for coming on. That sounds me laugh. That's what he sounds like in real life. Until next time, everyone. Being across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week is your antidote. I'm Tom Barton, and I'm a veteran sports analyst and respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand.

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