Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:339 The Nephilim Among Us

Episode Date: July 2, 2017

I will be welcoming Scott Carpenter to the show. Scott's book: The Nephilim Among Us: The Identity And Origin of Sasquatch And Other Mysterious Creatures is available on Amazon. Here is a description of the book: "Bigfoot, Gray Aliens, Dogmen, Orbs, and other unknown creatures: What are they? Where do they come from? Who or what created them? Amateur Bigfoot researcher Scott Carpenter reveals his conclusions after six years of research and investigation. Scott presents you with the evidence: DNA, photographic, historical, eyewitness, and physical."   Additional Links to Scott's Work: The Nephilim Among Us   Book link: https://www.createspace.com/6594754    The Bigfoot Field Journal   The Dogman – The Monsters Are Real  

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs were showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling out, maybe grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Sure. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Scott Carpenter, and he is the author of the book, The Nephlim Among

us. And I've been reading it. It's actually a pretty good read. Scott talks about his experiences and his investigation into the Sasquatch subject and how it all started when he was a young boy. He saw one of these creatures come up on his porch. Very, very fascinating account. And Scott really spent, I think it was in 2009, he started really investigating the subject. And he'll be talking about a lot of the weird things that he's run into. And then how he came up with the conclusion he thinks Sasquatch is an effulam. Very, very fascinating stuff.

And it's like I always say, no one has one in their garage or studying. so no one really knows. But if you get a chance, check out the book. It's called The Nephlam Among Us. You can get it on Amazon. And I'll put links in the show underneath this episode. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com or if you're listening on iTunes, just click on the Sasquatch Chronicles logo and it will kind of flip over and you can see the links below.

Definitely recommend it. And I want to thank Scott again for coming on. Before we get into that, I want to give a shout out to Eric Burton, And a nice guy. He's a fan of mine. I know he's not doing well. He's in the hospital. But he's constantly sending me nice messages, encouraging messages.

And here's a guy not doing real well, but he's taking the time to send me nice messages. But here's one of his emails. Wanted to thank you again, Wes, for everything you do. The hospital's day has been extremely, extremely rough for me. And the news I've received hasn't been great. The podcast has helped me so much for this. I also can't wait to get my gift basket from my sister. She set up that includes what you sent.

I have one question also. Would it be possible for me to come on the show one week for just long enough to say hi and thank you and Woody for everything and everyone for everything that they do? I don't know who this Woody character is he's talking about, but I honestly don't know where I'd be without your podcast, keeping me busy while I'm in here. Thank you, Wes. I also hope you're doing good as well. I've been praying for you that you get better ASAP and the pain goes away soon.

You're one tough SOB. God bless you, man. So I really appreciate that, Eric. I mean, you know, Eric sends me nice messages. Actually, you know what? Let's just give him a call. Let's bring him on the air here. Hey, Eric, it's Wes with Sasquatch Chronicles.

How are you, man? Oh, oh, crap. My bad. I didn't know. That's my fault, man. How are you? Eric let me meet you out real quick I'm on the air man is it okay if I bring you on the air

yeah I'm serious alright cool well Eric thanks for coming on man I really appreciate you being here hey man not a problem what's good with you oh not a whole lot man not a whole lot I appreciate the the kind uh Facebook messages that I get from you and I know you know

thanks haven't been going well for you and all the kind messages about the show helping you out and just taking your mind off things. And I decided it'd be cool to bring you on the show. With everything I've been going through, if it wasn't, I can honestly say, if it wasn't for the show, I mean, I'd probably go insane

because there's really not much to do with having Crohn's and everything like that, especially with how severe mine is, as you know. So just being able to throw that on. I've listened to some episodes probably five, six times each, just because keeps my mind off stuff, helps me some nights, helps me, you know what I mean, sleep, just

get my mind off everything. There's probably some shows I can quote word for word, but... Well, I appreciate it, man. I appreciate it. And I'm glad it gives you that, you know, takes your mind off life for a little bit. You know, sometimes we all need that. We need something to kind of an escape, you know what I mean? I think all of us have an escape. And I'm just glad you listened to the show, man. I really appreciate it. And, you know, all the kind word you give me. It's, I feel like I haven't done much for you, but you do a lot for me. So thank you again. Hey man. Trust me. You do more than you know. Just having the show as an escape is, and I'm

going to get emotional and choked up here, so I'm sorry. But it's just one of those things. Some people have ways to cope with issues, whether it's music, movies, Netflix, podcasts, whatever. And I mean, yeah, I've got music, I've got movies and stuff like that, but you being able to reach up to your fan base, whether, you know what I mean, whether they agree with you or disagree or anything like that, just having that as an escape to everything going on currently helps out tremendously and you have no idea. Yeah, well, I appreciate it, man. And I got your size and I got your address and I'll send you out a little care package, something. I know you get out of the hospital today, but I meant to send it to you last week. But, you, you know,

Either way else, you're fine. I mean, you've got stuff going on too with your ribs and everything, which how are those doing? That doesn't sound fun at all. Well, thanks for asking, man. They're doing better. They're doing better. It's still sore. You know, like everything else in life, it seems like you're never really 100% in life, you know, whether that's your sick. Anyone who says they're 100% a damn liar. Yeah, is lying to you. Absolutely. So no matter what, you know, my rib is, is, it'll heal. It's sore.

It hurts. It hurts to talk. It hurts to sit up. I like to lay on my side when I sleep at night. And sometimes I'll wake up and I'm laying on that rib. I'm laying right on that rib. And, you know, I wake up in pain. But, you know, I'll get over it.

It's, it'll pass. It's nothing long term. So it's nothing. Exactly. Yeah. People ask me how I deal with this. And I'm just like, hey, it'll pass. It could be worse.

I mean, there are people out there who. have it way worse than I do. And I mean, yeah, it's Crohn's, there's not a cure for it, but I mean, I fight every day. I deal with the pain. We monitor it with pain meds, obviously, and I just take it day by day, and that's about it. I mean, like I said, the last 10 days in the hospital have been held, but I'm finally out. We've got a good grip on everything. It's just getting more testing done, and obviously going from there on how we're going to treat it. Well, keep your head up, ma'am. The sun will rise tomorrow, keep your head up.

Sure, definitely. And, you know, like I said, I just appreciate all the kind of words. And, you know, I really do. It really moved me the fact that the show meant that much to you. It's, I have my weeks where I'm like, I'm done doing this. You know, I'm going to go. Right. Just listening to some of the shows and just like hearing some of obviously the backlash you get,

I don't know how you do it. I mean, I honestly would probably snap and be done by now. And you take it in stride, you deal with the idiots and everything like that and just keep on moving. And I mean, like I said, it helps more than you know. A lot of people are like, oh, it's a podcast about Sasquatch and if it's real or not. To me, as long as it's helping me or other people in general, I mean, there are probably plenty of other people like in the Facebook group who it helps just as much. And it's just something that is fascinating. what if, whether you believe it or not, whether you've had your own encounter or not,

it's still just one of those things, you know? And like I said, it does tremendously help me get through some days where it's just hard. And like, that's why I'm kind of glad I think, because I obviously found you through Jericho's podcast and just from then on out, it's just been one of those things where just I caught up on it. I went back and everything like that just to get back on it from the start all the way up till now. I'm caught up. I've heard every episode. And there are some days where I'll just be, I'll just be in bed in pain and I'll just pop on whether it's my iPhone, my Apple TV or whatever, just pop on the podcast app and just let it play all day. And just have that going on in the background

kind of is just like something to keep my mind off stuff. Thank you for that. Thank you for for all the kind words. And what got you interested in Bigfoot? Was it just a Jericho podcast? You thought he'd check it out? I've always kind of just had that thing of, like, you know what I mean? Just growing up and obviously everything like that. And it wasn't really just his podcast got me introduced to you.

But I've always wondered, like, way before then. You know what I mean? Just reading other stories just because just the stuff I'm into. and is reading other stories. It's like, well, I haven't encountered anything, obviously, because the part of Indiana, I'm in, I highly doubt. You know what I mean? But at the same time, I don't know, so it's just one of those things.

There are so many things out there that we don't know if are real or if it's just we're bat shit insane or, you know what I mean? It just really depends on who you talk to. I understand. Well, you know, I mean... And some of the stories, too, is just like there's no other explanation. in my opinion where I've heard stories from like you or people have been on the show where it's just like there's no other explanation. What else could it be?

There's no way a gorilla just escape from the zoo out of nowhere in just part of the country, you know? Yeah. So it's just try and put that together for me and then come back and talk to me when you've got it figured out. And it's just one of those things we're never going to really know unless we dig into it more. Like you said, we get more information that's. 100% obvious, but it's just something that I kind of got interested in that I've always been interested in growing up, and then it just kind of built up more and more. And then when I heard your story on his podcast, I dug deeper into it. You know what I mean? Just looking at it more,

watching, like listening to the show and everything like that. So. No, I appreciate it, man. And you'll have to get, you have to, you know, not that you can work on your health, you know, I'm always, in situations like this, I always end up putting my foot in my mouth so you have to forgive me. But, you know, I want you to get better and I want you to uplift you some. And so I'll send you out a little care package, not that you'll need a sweatshirt this time of year. I would imagine that, you know, it's probably the last thing you'll put on. But I'll send you out some nice stuff. And just as my way of saying thank you for all the nice, you know, people tend to forget I'm human too.

You know, it's the bad comments hit me just as hard as, you know, if someone will saying it to you and, you know, the good comments are just as nice to get, you know. And so, uh, I really appreciate it, man. I think you uplifted me more than I uplifted you. And, um, I'll send it out to you as my way of saying, thank you. And, you know, if you ever find yourself back in the hospital, at least that sweatshirt and, uh, some things will hopefully cheer you up. And I felt like that's the wrong thing to say, but, you know, I hope it cheers you up. And thank you so much for taking the time to listen to the show, man. I really do appreciate it. and you didn't have to send me all the nice comments and stuff.

But I did appreciate them. And I wanted to bring you on the air just as my way of saying thank you. And that's it, man. Thank you so much for listening. I'm glad to hear you're out of the hospital. You feeling better now? Yeah, I'm getting there for sure. Yeah.

Well, feeling better than before you went in the hospital, I mean. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Well, I appreciate it, man. I know it's late. I'm sorry to call you so late, but I promised I would. No, dude, not a problem at all. Well, thank you, brother.

Not a problem, and like I said, I'll keep you in the loop with everything that's going on and everything like that. And, again, just thank you for everything that you do through the podcast. Thanks again, Eric. I really appreciate it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Scott Carpenter to the show. And Scott is the author of Neflem Among Us, the identity and origin of Sasquatch and other mysterious creatures. And I know you can get it on Amazon. Scott, where else can people pick up your book at? They can get the e-book version on Self-Fi. It would be S-E-L-L-F-Y.com forward-slash Scott.

Carpenter, S-C-O-T-T-R-T-R. There's also links on the Nymphomomongus blog site and on my Bigfoot Phil Journal site. And I'll include links to those here on the show. Before we get into some of your theories and stuff, Scott, because I know you and I talked the other night, and it was a very fascinating conversation for me because there's not a lot of people I can sit down and have that conversation with. So I really did enjoy speaking with you. But all of this kind of your whole journey as far as looking into the Sasquatch subject started with an encounter when you were really young.

If you would for the audience, would you mind telling us that story? Tell us what happened and what were you doing. What did you see? What kind of walk us into it, would you? Sure. This happened back when I was a boy. I grew up in East Tennessee in a rural area. We lived on a dead end street.

In fact, at that time, it was just gravel. It was gravel. There were three houses at the end of a dating street surrounded by small farms, you know, in a very rural area. It was in the summer. I was somewhere 1011, 12, probably 1011-ish. And Johnny Carson was just coming on. The news was just going off.

And my dad worked shift work, and I was the oldest of three, and I'd stayed up with mom. and we have a out of the den is a rectangle shape at one end we're on the couch

at the other end is the TV and then beside the TV it's the door that goes out on the back porch mom said once you know

I'm going to take the garbage down out and I'll be back in just a minute and so you know I'm still sitting here

on the couch mom gets the garbage she goes out the back door and off the porch turns the light on the back porch and she leaves

the door open and we have a glass store, of course. And back in those days, you had, you know, you used 50-gallon drums and you, you know, put those, you know, at the back of your lot and the trash collector would literally pull up and drive in the back of your yard with a little truck, you know, and collect your trash, you know, that's back to the good old days. And so, Mama had walked, was, you know, gone back there. And mom hadn't been off the porch very long.

and all of a sudden these two little monkey-looking-like creatures ran up on the back porch and, you know, pressed their little faces up against the glass door with their hands over their head and just, you know, pressed their nose against the glass and just looked in at me. And it literally scared me to death. I didn't know what I was looking at. I mean, my heart was racing and I literally just frozen. and as I'm looking at them, you know, I'm literally just petrified. And I'm looking at them.

They're looking at me. And then they kind of look at each other and look back at me and smile. And then about that time, you can hear the lid to the, it's a 50-gown drum with the lid. And, you know, mom, and she drops the lid pretty hard. so it'll seal back shut. And when they hear that, they both jerked their heads to the left. And then they turn quickly and then they, you know, they dash off the back porch. I was still sitting there, you know, just taking a back real quick, you know,

in between the time that they, you know, when they kind of back up a little bit, there was a little, just a moment. When after they looked these stories, they look back at the end, they smile to me. Or some people have said, well, no, they buried your teeth. It looked like a smile. me. Okay. They looked like they smiled at me. But anyway, you know, that kind of did ease my fear. You know, I don't know something about them smiling kind of made it made me feel a little better before, you know, they ran off. But they, they ran off the back porch. Well, when mom came up and in,

the house and she's sitting there and she kind of looks at me on my mom, did you see those monkeys on the back porch? And she looked at me and she said, did you see those two little monkeys? Two monkeys ran up on the back of course mom. And she's like, I don't know, I didn't see anything out there. Maybe that was our neighbors, you know, Chuckie and Charlotte, playing a prank on you.

She's the only thing, you know, only thing going on outside is, you know, it smells like there's a skunk or something running around. I said, you know, and with that,

I just kind of let it go. Of course, I knew it with my neighbors. My neighbors were both blonde-headed and blue eyes. So I think I know the difference when my neighbors running around at 1130 and 9 and two monkeys. But that was,

was my first exposure and it gave me a lot of trouble. I had nightmares for a long time, you know, and trying to figure out, you know, what I actually, you know, saw was it, you know, because they, or they alien, were they monkeys? I didn't know what Bigfoot was. I didn't have any clue. And finally, you know, later in life in my probably early 20s, you know, I used to like to watch in search of and stuff and some of those shows. and they actually had this big foot show where someone was describing,

and I saw a sketch of an infant book button and was like, that's what I saw, you know. And after that, things got better than that, you know, once I was able to identify and say, okay, that's what I saw, the nightmare stopped. But I had nightmares all the way through my teens and, you know, into my early 20s until I kind of was able to come to grips with what I've seen. And people ask me, you know, they look like,

They kind of were like a rantang-looking. I mean, their hair was all to shoveled and just a mass. They didn't have any hair on their faces, but they had human nose. They didn't have a monkey-like nose. It was like, you know, it was like, of course, their nose, you know, they had their nose pressed up against it. It looked like it was a flat, wide nose. And then they have really wide mouths, and their teeth were just blocked square and, you know,

just pearly white. And, of course, it could have been a part of the light shining down made the teeth look so white. But, you know, and, you know, the rest of their bodies were just, you know, have you ever seen a rang and thing run with its hands over its head? That's how they ran off the back porch when, when the lid made the noise and they turned, instead of putting their hands down, they just left their hands above their head and ran off the porch. It looked kind of funny. Yeah, that's strange.

That's very strange. Yeah, so that was my first. first quote encounter, which I really didn't tie to being a big foot encounter to later in life. Yeah, I would imagine because, you know, what reference point do you really have at that age? I wanted to ask you, how big were they compared to you? You're what, 10-11 years old, or 10-11 years old right around there? Yeah, yeah, one of them was probably four and a half feet, and the other one was probably four. I mean, you know, on a screen door, you've got, you know, two windows, you know, lower and the upper.

And one of them was, one of them's head was clearly above that, which would probably prove around four and a half. And the other one was about a half a head smaller. So I'd say about four and a half, no more than four and a half feet tall was the tallest one. And I mean, they were, you know, infants, they weren't like husky belt. You know what I'm saying? They were just slender little monkeys. Yeah. And that's a fascinating encounter.

It makes you wonder if they'd been watching that back door or why do you think they ran up on the porch? You know, that's a good clue. I don't have an idea. I don't know why they, you know, whether they knew we were in there. They'd been watching during the day. I don't have any memories of the day of anything strange going on or anything like that. I mean, we were in a rural area. I mean, during the summer, literally when I, when summer started, I kicked my shoes off

and, you know, we were running wild. You know, mama kicked us out of the house at 8 o'clock the morning. We didn't come back in the house until night. So, you know, we're always running around and playing and, you know, running around the woods, jumping in the pond, riding by. So, you know, I don't know if during the day, you know, they were passing through, saw us and kind of got interested in it. I don't know.

You know, for whatever reason, they, you know, they decided to take a, you know, maybe they didn't even know what I was in there and were just curious what was in the house. And when I saw mom come out, they thought, let's go look, you know. And who knows. Yeah, it's a fascinating account, though. I wanted to ask you, your mom came back in. and she said that there was a smell outside like a skunk? Yeah, that was kind of a clue later on, you know,

when you learn about what Bigfoot smell like. She said that, you know, she made a point to say that it smelled bad outside. She said it smelled like there been a skunk, you know. And we have, you know, it's real air, you know, skunks, possums, although, you know, the whole gambit. But, you know, she said there must be a skunk and, you know, I can smell it. So obviously, you know, if you draw, you know, his conclusion, they've left a pretty bad little older back there, and that's what she was

smelling. Did the creatures vocalize, or did they do anything else besides look at you and smile? They just looked. I mean, you know, it was like two curious children. I mean, when they first, you know, the movement, I guess, I wouldn't watch in the door. I was kind of still watching the TV. You know, Johnny Carson's coming on for 1130 and in the east, in the east coast. You know, that's what time he comes on. And I just, you know, I just, you know, I just, you know, You know, there was movement, and I looked up, and there they were. You know, it was almost like, I don't know. To honestly, I didn't see them run up.

It was like the movement of them actually getting in place caught my attention. So when I looked up, they were already in place, so to speak. They already were, you know, they literally were pressing their noses against the window. You know, like a child would, you know, anybody would press it in, you know, looking in a window. And, you know, their noses, you could see the end of their noses were mashing flat on the, on the window. their looks at first were just deadpan. You know, they weren't, you know, menacing or anything. They just didn't have an expression at all other than they were staring at me.

And then, you know, and then they paused and look at each other, then look back at me, and then they smiled. I wanted to ask you, so years later, did you ever go back and ask your mom, was there anything strange going on around the property, you know, as you got older? No, I mean, to be honest, That was the only, quote, strange thing it ever happened or any clue that there was anything, you know, strange going on around our house. I mean, you know, it was broken wood lots. There wasn't like we weren't like, you know, we were, you know, the only tie to anything you could say was, you know, our, where we were, where our house was located, you know, was obviously on the Indian encampment. We were on a little hill, and there was two natural springs that ran year-round.

They had, but the time we moved there, they'd cap the springs. At one time, they ran constantly. But every time we'd, like, we'd plow the garden or dig any hole of any significance, we'd come up with, we wouldn't tell anybody, but we'd probably don't keep it to ourselves, but we'd come up with arrow heads and, you know, small artifacts like that. So, you know, I know that we were in a traditional area. obviously where the Cherokee at one time had a small village or some sort of an encampment.

But, you know, there really, you know, there's, you know, five acres here and then 50 acres of field, you know, 75 acres of woods here. You know, it was just a broken deal. So there wasn't anything, anything really that close and nothing really strange. And I did, you know, the only time my mom really ever found out about that was when she, I put that encounter in my first book I did. wrote it. It's called a Bigfoot Field Journal, which it's more like a journal than a book where I just kind of just, you know, every time I went, I just kind of laid out what happened, you know,

and then I put it in a book. And mom read that and she said, I don't know. She said, well, I don't remember that. She said, but she said, I don't, you know, she didn't even remember it happening. So, I mean, she remembers us doing the Johnny Carson thing and on many a night, but she said, to her, it was just another night. And, you know, she said, you know, beyond, she said, I don't remember. And so was it many years later that you had an encounter, and is that why you started looking into this? Or at what point in your life did you go, hey, I'm going to devote some time and actually look into this Sasquatch phenomenon that people are seeing? You know, obviously you had seen it when you were younger, but at what point in your life did you decide I'm going to dedicate some time to this? it was in 2009

I had a job at the time where I was doing tech support and I had an office where I was basically by myself I mean I had to go out to different offices but you know my main office where I reported to work and you know usually spent some time I was with the computers in an office

it's just me and myself and I so during my lunch hour I had begun to watch videos and I watched football and hunting videos. And I had stumbled upon some of these Bigfoot videos, the Bigfoot researchers. You know, and a couple of them had showed these guys whooping and trying to get responses from whoopin. And along there, thanks to Treonauts and the H. Yel and all that. So, you know, I watched him in a half.

So seriously, I thought it was kind of, you know, it's kind of comical. Some of them are funny to watch, you know. Some of them were. interesting, but for the most part, it was just something to do. So, you know, later that the spring or a year, I can't remember, it's probably June, I think. I'm fishing, and I'm fishing around this area that's a 1,500 acre area to recreational area. You know, multi-use, you can hunt and camp on it, ride horseback. But it's not a notarized vehicle only.

The only way you can go in this is either on foot or on horseback. So I'm fishing. It's early morning. It's, you know, you know, sun's just coming up. It's real night's morning. I'm throwing topwater lures on this point. And, you know, I just out of the, you know, the mood hit me.

I don't know why. I come over me, you know, I do silly things. For some reason, I decided I'd do some whoops just for kicks and giggles. And, you know, I've worked three or four times. probably wasn't very good for it, so I don't think they were. I might have got the last couple, it sounded like something. And then, you know,

and I kind of sheeplessly thought, I hope no one heard that because you know how when you, if you've got a calm water and a wood line, and you, you know, yell or something, it echoes, you know. So, you know, it's echoing down the lake, and I'm thinking, I don't know,

because I hope nobody heard that, you know, and it sounded like a pool. So anyway, so I go back to fish, and it probably been, you're not very long, three or four more cast. and all of a sudden I heard just, you could hear it in the distance, it's coming. And it was, you know, just, you know, something was just making a lot of noise, you know, crashing and just coming, you know, breaking limbs and it was coming towards.

So it's coming and getting closer and, you know, it's getting my attention, you know, and I'm kind of racking my brain on what the world's going on here. It's, you know, I know what a horse sounds like going through the woods. And this point is just, I mean, it's extremely thick. It's full of, you know, it's overgrown with briars. It's not, there's no horse trails to come down to it or even near it, you know, and it's kind of isolated on the end of a point on this, on this peninsula anyway. So, you know, you know, something's coming, you know.

And so I just kind of just freezing us sitting there in the boat, you know, just watch it. And this thing comes all the way down to the, you know, to almost out to where I can see it. But it's just, you know, the sun's coming up, and it's casting's pretty dark shadow. So, you know, you just got breaks of light going back into the woods. And you could, all I could see was just move, you know, something moving. And you could hear it. It was bi-peel. It went on four legs, and it was just going up and down around this point, you know.

It'd go about 15, 20 yards to one way and then back. And, you know, just raising sand, you know. And then after it goes, you know, back and forth, a couple times, it just stops. It kind of gets quiet for a minute. And by that time, I'm like, I don't know what it is, but I know I'm too close to the bank. So I'm hitting the trolle motor.

I'm making a little bit of noise now. And I'm, you know, I just still haven't retrieving the lure. It's still sitting in the water. So I'm backing off the point a little bit, a little bit of this distance. And then I heard it probably two or three times just a, you know, just like a big side, but more of a hump. And maybe two or three of those. And then it slowly, you know, just started walking back up in the woods.

You know, wasn't raising cane now. It was just walking. And you just hear the bipedal walks, you know, crunch, crunch, crunch, and it just faded away. And, I mean, I'm sitting in the boat. I'm flabbergasted. I don't know what the thing. I'm not wanting, you know, what in the world, you know.

My first thought was surely to God that some stupid foot is not going to get this sort of reaction. You know, I'm right. You know, I was just like this. Be careful what you wish for, I guess, you know, because it might just happen. Yeah, I mean, that wasn't my intention. I was just being silly. I mean, I was just being silly. I mean, I don't want to ask to say it.

And so anyway, so, you know, and like anybody else, I'm like, man, I've got to go in there and see what the heck is going on. So a week later, you know, you know, of course, after that, but the whole week's up to that, I really, you know, kind of do some more heavy research in the Bigfoot. research and what it's all about. So I, you know, I have a Katama, I have a Sony handy cam, you know, we bought, you know, to do Christmases and, you know, do the family with. So I grabbed that and put on my, you know, my hunting gear and, you know, into the woods I go. And that, that's how it all got started. And what was your mindset going

into? What did you think you were chasing? Well, when I started out, you know, I thought that I'm just going to be a big, If there was a big foot, it was some sort of bipedal ape, some sort of big large bipedal ape, and that's what I'd be looking for. That's it, you know, that's exactly what I expected, and I expected an animal. And so when I first started my research, that's the mindset I had, that I'm dealing with an animal. It may be, you know, a smart ape, more, you know, a little bit more intelligent than your average, you know, animal. But when I first started researching, you know, I was sitting this stuff up like I was sitting up my cameras

and stuff to get, you know, take pictures of deer. You know, I had no clue. You know, I was literally clueless of what I'm really getting into or what I was dealt with. You know, I was just stumbled around, you know, trying to get pictures, trying to research this thing, you know, and trying to figure out what was going on. Yeah, and I think that's important to state because, you know, there's, if you and I would have talked back a couple years ago, I would have probably said you're nuts.

It's nothing more than an ape based on conversations you and I've had now. But if you take a serious look into the subject, there's something more going on here than just as a simple ape. It just is. I would love to say otherwise, I would love to be wrong on this. I don't think I am. But I would love to be absolutely wrong in this situation and say it's nothing more than an ape. But they are very physical. I mean, what came up on your porch that night was very physical.

It was a very physical creature, correct? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't a ghost or... At the time, it didn't appear to be anything supernatural. And definitely on that point, there wasn't anything supernatural about, you know, what was making all that racket. Yeah. There was obviously something in the wood that I could see movement.

And so, and it was, you know, noise and it was walking and it was breaking limbs and, you know, just, you know, throwing a fit for the lack of a better word. So, you know, you know, there was no clue early on that what I was dealing with wasn't corporal and wasn't. no more than just a big smart hate. It gets frustrating after a while, before we get into the mindset of where you, you know, you were changing your ideas on what you were chasing. Prior to that, isn't there kind of this,

don't you get frustrated? Wasn't there a time period? And maybe I'm just speaking for myself and I should speak for myself only. But after a while, you feel like you're chasing a ghost. I mean, you feel like you are, I'm not saying Sasquatch is a ghost, but you feel like you're chasing a ghost

after so many years of being in. it's like, God, why can't we get this? Why can't we get this evidence or that evidence? Or why can't someone just put a bullet in one and drag it in? And so after a while, it kind of starts to feel like you're chasing a ghost. But did it, were they ever aggressive with you when you're out there looking, trying to find them? Well, early on in the research, it started getting, you know, I can kind of relate to that because it's like they would always do stuff. It was almost like one of the, and I put it in my book as one of the rules,

but they always would do stuff that I would know it was done. But if anyone else looked at that, they'd say that was a coincidence, that was a squirrel, that was something, but it was always, it was just enough for you to know. Hang on a second, you know, that's not right. You know, something happened here. This rock, you know, one of the things they, used to do was very frustrating. I would, I would set, I set these rocks out on this slab of, uh, on this little slab

rock, uh, and, uh, a slab of marble actually is a piece of marble. They, and they actually put it there, but anyway. And I would take, I'd lay rocks in different patterns and see if they'd mess with it. And they would mess with them, but it wouldn't be hardly enough for you to say, oh, an animal, you know, it always left the doubt that someone could say, well, and animal did that. But one of the most interesting things they did is I would, of course, take real detail pitchers. It put me about two times to notice because I, you know, take my pictures,

go back a week later on the next weekend, take more video, you know, and look, well, they didn't move the rocks. Well, then I don't know, but I'm one of them for some reason I noticed that one of the rocks had like a neck in it. Well, the rock was in the same position as far as where it was on on the marble slab, but it was turned 180 degrees the other way. And I started looking in every rock and then turned 180 degrees. And you're thinking,

now, come on. You know, a raccoon, a squirrel, or whatever, is not going to meticulously sit there and turn every rock exactly 180 degrees. Leave it in the same position

and turn it 180 degrees. So that was, kind of the stuff they would do that would lead me like you're talking about. You know, I'm chasing a, you know, a ghost here that they'll do things that I know. You know, some, something of intelligence did, but if I put this in a video or if I tell a friend, they're going to look at me like, I'm crazy. And these little things like this, you know, that's what really pressed at me. And like you say, like, one time there was a mock charge.

I didn't know what a mock charge was, okay? and I'm at the feeding station getting a camera down and I mean I hear a rut It's like a bull rush something It was rushing me you know And it's coming you know through the bushes The bushes and everything are moving You know and I spend a camera around

And I don't I'm not armed and I'm like Oh shit it you know I'm either going to you know Something's getting like to happen bad you know And so I turn the camera around And it's like that before it came out of the open You know this stop dead stop solid.

And, you know, nothing. I mean, I go over there, can't find footprints. I mean, I can find some disturbed, you know, some broken foliage and the leaf litter's disturbed. But, you know, there's nothing definitive to say, you know, that was, you know, no more than my imagination, so to speak. And so these sort of things happen, and it really was frustrating. Yeah, I bet, you know, especially when nothing's there and something, you know,

when you're being charged, I mean, that's a little. little unnerving, especially when he's been around. There's nothing there. It's kind of like what you're talking about with The Rocks. I had Rich on, who was an ex-police officer on a couple weeks ago, and over there at the Harstein Island in Washington State. And he was talking about that. He said they would take like dolls. He would leave out dolls for them. And he never saw them take them. But here's the interesting part. He said it would show back up again, weathered and warned, in the exact same spot he left it. But two months later, all of a sudden it shows. back up like something brought it back and that's just weird it's just odd that you know that kind of

stuff you can't say well that was saskatch but you know what what else is it i mean what where do you place that where do you put that you know as far as you have someone tell you something like that it wasn't just rich and you i've had other people tell me that where they'll leave stuff out for them it'll be taken like toys and and whatnot and then it'll come back and there's really no reason for it coming back, but not only does it come back, they put it in the exact same spot that you left it a month or two earlier. And so it makes you wonder what is going on with this? What's kind of some of the weird things that started happening to where you started thinking,

okay, I don't think this is an ape anymore. Yeah. Beyond the Rocks. Yeah, beyond the rocks. It was like a gradual crescendo, in other words, you know, it just kind of like, you you know, you know, this build on top of this and that build on top of this. I mean, the first, I guess the first thing that really, other than the mock charge and then nothing there, was, was the use of language. They finally moved the rocks into a pattern.

I mean, I put a smiley face on a flat piece of rock, and it would change into this pattern of a sea, and above the sea was another rock. can at first, I, I, oh, that's weird. But then I had remembered, uh, an interview a lady did and said that, uh, you know, that they were using, um, you know, they, uh, what's that language, uh, phonetic language, uh, it's syllabics, it's syllabusics, you know, and, and, you know, Indians use syllabets, you know, many tribes used, you know, syllobics to communicate, you know, it's a, it's a, it basically each symbol represents a sound.

and you put the sounds together to make words. You know, it's phonetic. And so it was, so it was a syllabic symbol. And when I looked at it, and when I looked it up, if I translated it a couple different ways, you know, it's Cree, you know, if I can't use Cree and Cherokee and use the sounds and use the, they form, it formed a word like Vata or Wataa. And then when you look that up, that means come visit brother, come visit friend. So, you know, that was kind of my first clue, you know, that, okay, you know, here's possibly the use of language.

And so they made a couple symbols like that. And then we started, I started, it's hard to explain because it was just one thing after another, just those odd things like that. I mean, they, they began to show up at my house. And that was the next, you know, that was the, that was the next big step of, something's going on here that's strange. And I really know one had told me the, you know, among Bigfoot researchers if you get a bunch of together, now pretty much if they've been doing it for more than a few years, the Bigfoot show up at their house.

It's just the way it is. Now, some will admit it, but, you know, it's pretty much a universal thing, no matter whether you live in the city, the county, a big town, small town, they will show up at grass. Before you jump into that, let's back up with the language. Did you hear them speak this? Did I hear them speak it? No, I never heard them speak the language.

They just made the symbols with the rocks. Oh, I got you. I did learn, I learned some, I learned a little bit of Cherokee, and I would try to go out the woods and speak, and I experimented with speaking. I even experimented with sign language. As you know, I read accounts where, you know, deaf child was signing into the woods,

and the mother-father said, what were you doing? I was talking to the big Harry man. you know, using sign language, and he was talking back. So I kind of, I kind of, after the rock thing, I started, you know, I just started to experiment with different forms of communications. They've never really taught, I mean, other than talking in their language, me hearing the gibberish, the samurai chatter, and the mumbling,

they yelled at me and David Plotties one time. It was actually, what we thought they were yelling at us, but Scott Nelson said, no, they'd probably yelling at each other. They were having a disagreement about something about to do with us. And I heard one word one time, one, you know, Jericho. But other than that, that's really the only verbal, you know, verbal things I've heard from them other than the whoops, you know, the occasional flip and occasional jaw pop, something like that. And the language that you and David heard, was it like the Sierra Sounds or was it similar? Yeah, it was similar to Sierra Sounds.

and I've got the breakdown in the book and I've actually got the recording on my blog site but yeah it's a very short you know la la la la yada you know stuff like you know and you know nonsensical as far as other than they were yelling but you know when Scott Nelson you know he said there were definitely chronetics being spoken a language being spoken He said there were two individuals.

We thought there was just one. He said, no, there were two. And he said it was like they were, you know, yelling at each other over something. And it may have been how to respond to us, you know, because we were walking up a trail. David, it's the first time he'd been in the area, so he was a stranger, you know, to them. It seems like sometimes in certain my research areas, if I'd bring a stranger in, it would agitate them. You know, this first time they'd yell, but they would do other things to, kind of just show their displeasure

or maybe stomping around or throw logs or, you know, break sticks that sort of thing. Did you ever get a feeling like they might harm you being out there? There were a few times I was scared. I don't know if I'd say that I actually felt they were going to harm me, but there were a few times

because I did this alone, which I don't recommend. And there were a couple of occasions where, you know, one encounter they surrounded me except well they made a they made a semi circle around me and were making noises and doing stuff all the way around except for the way out and it kind of and as time went on they got louder and louder so it was obviously one make a lead that was a really that was a really you know bad time and you know just scared me and uh i mean there wasn't a i had one encounter where I, they just blanked my memory out.

After seeing the video, you know, the memory came back. That was one of those where they just blanked my memory out. But I guess that scared me afterwards just because I had, the weirdest thing in the world is watch your cell phone video and not remember it. You know what I'm saying? It's like you're watching yourself, but it's not you. And it was weird. That was a very weird experience.

Well, tell me about that. There's a guy I had talked to one time, and I don't know if this is similar to what you experienced. I had him on the show. He had run into – it was Jonathan Odom. He ran into a dogman, and it kind of sounded like he was describing a skyquake. And I don't know if you've ever heard of a skyquake. It's like an earthquake, but it happens in the air. And he was kind of describing this sky quake.

And he couldn't remember where he was at, couldn't remember really where he had gone. and he was really disoriented and he had been in there, I think, for I don't remember, it was something like three or four hours and in his mind only like ten minutes had passed by but it was a very odd strange encounter. Was it something

similar to that? I guess you could say, well, I didn't feel anything. I didn't feel anything when it was happening. Let me say that. It was a situation where there was a in the research area near my feeding station, the trail

went out to the end of the point of land, and the trail ended. And then there was a roadbed that was submerged, and I get this in your head, and then across that roadbed, you know, a normal-sized two-lane roadbed, they had like a foot of water on top of it. And then there was a small island, and the island was covered in ivy and stuff like that. At one time, this had been a ferry crossing, and, you know, I think the ferry station part had been on that island, and so that's where the ivy had come from. But it looked like a place, boy, that'd be a perfect,

place to lay down. And so I'd always go out and look over at this island. Well, what happened was, the last memory I have is I'm leaving the feeding station. And, and I think I turn left and

go back towards the main trail, go back up the main trail, back in the main land part. What really happened was, I turned to the right. I go down to the end of the where the road ends

and I'm standing there and I'm zooming I've got my camera and I'm just kind of zooming in and I'm searching for things you know looking in the foliage well I spark something and this is what

the footage it's called it I call it the sneering big foot because I find something on the camera and I zoom in and out on it two or three times and it's you know

with an automatic zoom camera and it's leaning around a tree and there's foliage the wind's blowing you know you zoom in get out of focus, I've zoomed back a little bit. So it's obviously I see something. It's obvious.

I'm trying my best to focus in on it. Then all of a sudden, I don't say anything on the video. I don't speak. But after, you know, it looks like I'm trying to zoom in on this thing. I zoom the camera back. I calmly turn around and I calmly walk off. And, you know, it's all on video, but I don't remember any of it. I think I turned left, and this whole thing probably lasted five, seven minutes.

And then my next cognitive memory is heading up the trail going in, past the area of where I turn to the right. You can see this thing. You know, it looks like it's sneering and it sneers and eventually shuts its mouth. It was my theory that used infrasound on me of some way. And I actually, it's in the book. I actually, the camera I was using. have a sense of enough microphone that it did it was able to get those lower frequency sounds and then i used some freeware to look at the infrasound at the different um amplitudes and and it was

measurable that when i you know when i turned to the right from the fee station went down the aptitudes started going up and up and up and up and it was like it was my and the weird thing was it was like it was modulating. Like he was, he knew what frequencies to throw out. And basically, blank my memory,

put this, you know, and had me walk away. And then, of course, on the camera, on the, on the audio from video, you can kind of watch

the amplitudes of the lower frequencies as I get further away. They go back down to, you know, basically normal levels. But during, during one time, they were pretty darn high.

And so I, at that time, that's when I started, I kind of was really looking heavily into infrasound as possibly being, you know, one of the things they used to affect a person. But, yeah, it was a very strange thing. And that's the, you know, like I said, it was weird looking at the video, seeing myself and doing stuff that I don't remember doing. Yeah, no, I bet. And the book, again, it's called The Nephlam Among Us, the identity and origin of Sasquatch and other mystery creatures.

Scott, do you think if you, the guy telling the story right now could go back and talk to the guy who thought he was chasing an ape. Do you think the guy that Scott Carpenter that was looking for an ape would look at this Scott Carpenter and go, this guy's nuts? He might, or he might just say, hey, buddy, just go fishing. Just go back fishing.

Yeah, find you another hobby. Let's go get a rum and coke at the bar. Yeah, yeah. don't, you know, you know, don't waste of it, you know, and I'm not saying it was a waste, but, you know, don't waste the next six, seven years of your life, you know, chasing this ghost, you know. No, I understand. I would, I would have probably thought I was a little off, yeah, because at that time, you know,

I was just, I knew they were smart apes. And I don't even know if in the research world, if anyone had, you know, I know there were other people that thought they might, that they were the nephlum or they might have supernatural abilities, but those people, were on the fringe and they weren't part of the quilt mainstream. So I just really didn't, I didn't really pay that much attention to it at that time. No, I understand. And that's why I wanted to ask you is because so people understand where you came from

and where you got to this point. And there's no wrong answer, you know, with regard to how we feel about Sasquatch. There's really no, and I try and tell people this, whether it's you believe it's an ephalum or you think it's an ape or you think it's an alien, until someone has one, in a cage that we get to study. No one truly knows, but there's a lot of weird things that go on with the subject. And I think a lot of researchers, if you ask them privately, they will tell you, yes, there's a lot of weird things that go on.

Publicly, they'll say something else. But privately, they'll tell you, yes, there's something weird that is going on with this. You mentioned earlier they follow you home. Tell us about that. Sure. I think I know the reason now back the time didn't really have a clue how they found me. But later, you know, I tied it to the supernatural and those people that quote Bill ghost hunting and, you know, have the issue of the Kennedy's coming on with them. But basically what happened was at my residence, footprints started showing up.

And it was just like one single footprint. There was an incident where they took a, they actually robbed a robbing stamp of its eggs and left the evidence on the side of the house. and left the evidence on the side of the house on the side of my house. I've got aluminum siding, and it's got red paint, and the red paint's kind of oxidizing. And when you think about oxidizing paint,

it leaves real good impression. I mean, there's a shoulder impression, a handprint, and scuff marks where it looks like one got on the top of the other shoulder, and, you know, they got their eggs out of the nest. And so, you know, that started happening, There was slaps alongside the house. My wife at the time actually saw one, one evening.

And then the next thing started happening is the neighbors started seeing them. You know, that's the sad part, except for one brief instant, one time. I never got to see him at the house. You know, everybody else did but me. And the other thing they started doing was the dog food trick they do. and we had at the time we had several large dogs in the backyard we had fence in the backyard we had a golden retriever chow um we're staying out back and so we kept the dog food in a tub well those airtight tubs you know stamped tubs uh on the back porch and and my wife was the one that fed

them and you know she kind of knew her little schedule how much food they eat And that first winter they started visiting, she, you know, and we didn't have any clue what's going on. She's like, something's wrong. And I said, we mean something's wrong. She said, I know how much I'm feeding these dogs, but the dog food is just, I mean, we're going through it. You know, a bag of the last six weeks, and it's only, you know, it has been three or four. You know, sometimes, you know, three. And she said, something's wrong.

And I don't know what's going on. I said, well, our dogs are very territorial, you know, if I thought, you know, if I'm not. person jumped in the backyard they didn't know they'd lose their minds and so you know and we had privacy fence for the neighbor drift on the hirass so we're kind of like what what you know he would think dog food so i just just out of i said well let's try this so went out there in the evening and i took a pencil and i drew a line on the inside of the tub it's let you know with the dog food and leveled the dog food out and the next morning i go out there and the dog food level is down about two inches but the lid snapped back, the dogs have not been bark or go crazy, and the dog food is leveled. And I'm like, what in the world?

And it took a couple times that I finally figured out the little scutters were coming into the backyard on a semi-regular schedule, getting the dog food out of the tub, eating it, leveling it back out, and then putting

the lid back on. And, you know, finally was able to get some finger prints on top of the tub. I actually put a DVR. I put cameras out. Every time I tried any technology, it was just sported.

The cameras be laid down. They had lightouts. They malfunction. I put a camera inside the tub. That didn't work. I mean, you know, but for whatever reason, I put a visual voice recorder.

It was voice activated. And I put it in the grill. A grill had a little side burner. Had a lid on it. So I put it in that sideburn. and put the lid down on. Well, started getting recordings of you could hear them

unsnap the lid. You could hear them. Sometimes you could hear them actually crunching the food. You'd hear the dogs greet them. You know, if you've ever had dogs, you know, the noise of a dog, like, you could hear the dog come up on the deck

and you hear, you know, you'd hear a happy, you know, you'd hear all that. Like it was greeting someone at three in the morning. So they obviously had, befriended our animals and our animals were happy with them. And so, you know, that was odd hearing our dogs, you know, being friendly. And then we'd hear other racket.

They would fight, they would, they seemed very curious. They'd fat finger everything. You'd hear all kinds of noises, you know, clanking and, and we used to hear this rattling all the time. It was a mentality, lo, la, la, la, lo, and it'd be like, one in the world says no. And this went on for a while. And then one afternoon, I sat out there grilling hamburgers, and I hit the grill just right and made that noise.

And my wife said, that's the noise. And I'm like, what noise? She said, on the tapes, do it again. I did it. And she said, see, that's the noise they've been hearing. Those stodders have been licking the freaking grill, giving the grease off the grill. And so, anyway, so, you know, that's sort of the, you know,

what was going on in the backyard. And, of course, if you tell anybody, you know people think you're crazy. This went on for quite a while. We tried to leave. It was interesting. If I left candy bars or stuff out for them, they wouldn't touch it. But they would take the dog food.

I've had them come in, take a couple, three inches of dog food, but not take the candy bars. It's like, if you take the candy bars, you'll know it was us. So we'll just take the dog food. And that way it'll be a, you know,

it'll be an iffy. Yeah. And that's the thing, you know, obviously it's eating. So you know it's physical. These things are physical. Obviously, it's eating the dog food. I think that would have happened to me.

It would have been, my first thought would have been, oh, no, they're here. Because it's one thing to go out and look for them in the woods. It's another thing to have them on your property. You're talking apples and oranges. What in your mind when you realized they're on my property? Not only are they on my property, they're eating my dog food. Yeah. Well, I was apprehensive.

my wife was apprehensive, but it was kind of a, in some ways it was neat. And you had to understand back then, I still thought, you know, we're still morphing from the smart ape into the something more what's going on here. So I'm in that transition, you know, the DNA study is going on. You know, we're not, I'm getting preliminary stuff and people, but, you know, so I'm kind of in that transition. So at that time, you know, when, you know, when my goal is to discover them, study on, and maybe even have a conversation with one,

you know, you have these lofty goes, and, you know, maybe someday you can do that, you know, I don't know why I was thinking I could, but, you know, that's what you think. I kind of thought, well, this, you know, as long as they don't do any, you know, as long as they're not hurting anybody or bothering anybody, you know, it was okay, but soon as it became obvious, they were, you know, they were messing more than just me. I mean, I may have been a catalyst, but once they got into the neighborhood,

and they started messing with the neighbors. I mean, through the years of research, I figured out through footprints, and I even had a couple videos more of eyeshine, but different levels of eye shine. We figured out, or I figured out, we had probably four, they had a male or female, a teenager, and an infant.

Because I did get a footprint one time in blowing snow, a little old 9-inch foot. footprint, excuse me, if that was on the deck itself. And then from time to time, they used to leave their calling card single footprint. And one footprint was about 18 inches. The big male one time just left the, it was in dust. It was in, it was in dirt, you know, so it wasn't very good.

But it was like, all it was was the front part of the foot from the ball forward. So you had the ball of the foot and you had the, it had the five toes. And it looked like it had spun, turned, and pushed off on that one foot. But the toes, measuring across the ball of the foot, it was 11 inches wide. So that's a pretty big boy. That's probably a 21-inch footprint. Yeah, it's a real good. Yeah, that's a big boy.

So that's kind of the stuff. I actually got hair samples from my resident, and one of them was in the DNA study. It came back here. the hair screener said, yeah, this is soft sweatshirt here. And when they tested, you know, it was softwatcher. Well, and I want to come back to that. I definitely want to come back to that. I wanted to ask you, though, do you think that they followed you home?

Or do you think it was coincidence that just another group was in your area? Because I don't think that these things are as rare as people that the public thinks they are. Yeah. And I'm just curious on your thoughts on that. I mean, I think at the time I didn't realize I had given an invitation, but now I know that I had unwillingly given them a, you know, an invitation, you know, to come to my house. And I feel 99% sure that this group was a group from not the research area, public land research area. there was a incident I have in the book during the whole visitations where they actually take some stuff out and they I mean I've looked at it and studied it in my opinion

it was a message to me but they they pulled a fence post I used fence post you know driving them into the ground to put my ricks of wood on I have a wood stove and I had one in the ground that you know needed to be pulled out that I was going to until it rained and stuff because it was driven pretty far in the ground. Well, they something pulled that out of the ground. And then they had made a cross in the backyard, and then they had put an old birdhouse. I put an old birdhouse up under the tarp where the wood was. That had been pulled out, and there was an arrow with sticks pointing,

so I had pointing in one direction. And I looked at that, and I said, this just can't be a coincidence. You know, I cleaned up the backyard. My wife made comments and said, thank you for doing all that. You know, I put everything up in its place. And then, you know, a couple days later, she said, well, someone's been out there

screwing around the backyard, it's mass, you know. And this was laying out there. And I just, and it just hit me. I said, you know, the X and everything, I said, get a cut, you know, I wonder, and I went and got my compass. And that X was perfectly laid out north-south. And, well, it was this guy,

a degree off from my compass from magnetic north, but when I went out during the night, and it was laid out perfect for the North Star. So, and then, you know, as you're kind of looking at that, so you've got to, you get across and they're telling the direction. They've got an railroad point in south. Well, that's the exact direction. You would go to, go back to the research area,

and then above the railroad was the birdhouse. So, I mean, I put two to together and said, okay, they're telling me that their home is. back south. So, I mean, you know, people would call me crazy, but that's what I interpreted from that. No, I understand that. And there's nothing wrong with what you're saying. I mean, some people might listen to that and go, well, don't you think it was just maybe just a cross that was put in your yard?

I mean, there's really nothing to it. But, you know, I love hearing people's impression on what they think was going on. And I usually tell eyewitnesses, I mean, 90% of the time, if you think, if you have a certain impression, nine times out of ten, the eyewitnesses, is usually right. And it's a lot easier to listen to what you're saying and judge it as opposed to being there. Did they eventually leave? Or what, how did they, did they, did you guys move? No, I'm still here.

And even to this day, I guess I need to back up and explain one thing. throughout my research, they developed what I call their signature, okay? And their signature, I didn't even notice it at first, a friend of mine who was, helped me in research, Chuck Crawl, he passed, but Chuck was a good friend and, you know, I bounced things off him. And he's the one that noticed. He said, you notice all these rock pictures. They keep making this pattern, Scott.

And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, look, you know, you had four rocks and they were. were evenly spaced and now there's three rocks together and one apart. Or you had five rocks on this thing and, you know, or six rocks, they knocked off the two and then they put three together and left one apart. So this three and one became a, quote, signature for this group, okay? And this three and one has shown up down there and it's shown up at my house. You know, one time I even had put candy bars on the, on the railing.

I think I put seven or eight. Go out the next morning, all the candy bars are knocked off except for four. Three are pushed together, one's left alone. I put peanuts. One time I put peanuts just to, you know, I was trying to do anything. So I put some, you know, a shell of peanuts or, I mean, roast peanuts, just a big pile of them. When I go out the next day, there's only, only,

only ones left on the top of the table are three pushed together and one by itself. You know, and even as I was probably been about a month ago, I was getting ready to mow and there were three sticks laid, there were four sticks laid in a perfect vertical line in my backyard. All right, now these were sticks that

fall down the trees, of course, but they were perfect. And there were three together, six inches apart. I measured them. And then there was one, two foot apart from it, but all on the exact same direct line. So, you know, are they still visiting? Yes. And when they visit, they let me know they were here.

And they don't take dog food anymore. I mean, I don't have any dogs in the backyard anymore. And so I don't keep dog food out there and they'll just have to get over. They don't seem, I mean, we tried back during the heyday. We tried removing the dog food and they started banging on the side of the house getting obviously agitated. So we put the dog food back out. You know, I didn't want to take any chances.

But, you know, it just gradually, you know, I got divorced and remarried and it just gradually petered. It just gradually petered out. Plus, I don't want to jump ahead, but I did pray for protection, you know, against their intrusion. And that seemed to stop just about all of it except for that occasional, I guess, what you could drive by. you know, hey, we're here.

One, I mean, a couple years ago, I mean, I found two nights in a row, two mornings in a row, I found a dead starling laying in the center of my driveway with its guts squished out, like suddenly they grabbed it, popped it. And, yeah, I didn't like the connotation of that, but that was about the time I realized what they were, what was going on, and I think, to their chagrin, they were not happy about it. But, you know, it's kind of like leaving me a dead fish, you know. Was it the point to where you was a part of the DNA study? Is that what changed your mind on what these things are?

Yeah, I think the DNA study was like the last nail in the coffin. As I'm maturing in my research, the best way to say it, and I've come to the clue. You know, at first they were done AIDS. And then all of a sudden they demonstrated the language thing. and then they started the home visitations. And then that plus, you know, I joined North American Bigfoot Search and, you know, become part of the SOS Watch Genome Study. So now I'm starting to get reports from witnesses. You know, not only my experiences, but other people's experiences.

And I am starting to get experiences where, you know, people say they talk to them, they use language. They were mimicking, you know, M.K. Davis was starting to put out some of the stuff from the sales grants in Texas. and, you know, where they were chanting and talking, you know. And so that coming in from one side plus my own personal research started, you know, started building up just the mountain of evidence that, hey, I'm dealing with something here. It's a lot more than just, you know, a smart aid. They show intelligence, you know, they know how to set their things out. They know the deadly know what technology is.

They know how to avoid technology. You know, I don't know how many times they, you know, They knew instinctively that if he stood in front of an infrared camera, that it would just go off once, and then if you didn't move, it wouldn't go off anymore. And so I would have candy bars out. My camera would be tripped. Ten minutes later it would be tripped again, you know, by just a, you know, with something standing right in front of it's just a whiteout.

So it would start out as a light out, and the next time it would start out as a lot out and the light out would move real quick. then the same, you know, when you're looking at the same where your candy bars were, the candy bars were gone. And so by the time we got, when we started getting back the results of the genome study, you know, it's basically, you know, Melvin's like, hey, this thing, the mitochondrial DNA is coming back human, but the nuclear DNA doesn't match anything in Jimbank, and it's really all that.

So, you know, she's like, look, boys, it looks like we've got a, you know, human hybrid here of some sort. So that's about that time when I, you know, by then I had, you know, by then I had some seen one with my own eyes, looked in its eyes, and I'd seen intelligence. You know, it wasn't like I was looking at it on eighth. It didn't have the face of an ape. One I saw had the face of a person, pretty much. And, you know, this looked like a big, hairy person.

And so, and then plus David Pilates had, you know, had done it, you know, I got, one of the reasons I actually got talking to him was the Hoopa Project, you know, where he had the sketch you know the forensic artist doing Harvey Pratt doing the sketch he really upset the apple part

because he's like look you know I get a forensic artist and it's drawing what these people are saying or seeing you know he's not putting his own

the hardest impression on this he's drawing what they're seeing and these you know and here are these basically American Indian looking Bigfoot you know they had one of them red-headed one actually had an overbite

and looked like an uncle I had You know, you know, it didn't even look like it. You know, he didn't let, you know, course these things were, you know, 10-foot-call. Can I ask you something about that? So when that very first came out, I don't know if the audience is aware of that, but when that very first came out,

I remember thinking, um, and maybe I'm wrong. I could be 100% wrong, but I remember thinking he's not, not every one of these things. When people see them, not everyone says it looked like people.

I've had people that say it looked like people. I've had people that say it looked very much like a chimpanzee, except for the nose. Everyone, across the board, everyone agrees that the nose is very human, except for there is people that see him and go, it looked like a chimpanzee. I've talked to people that said it looked like an ape in the face, looked very much like an ape in the face, except for it had a human nose. And when I saw Harvey doing those, and he's a great artist, and I hope this comes out right. But I remember thinking at the time, like, this guy's only taking eyewitness testimony

of people that say it looked human-like, that it looked like a Native American. Because if you look at a lot of, the audience probably has no clue what we're talking about, but he did a series of artist renditions. And one thing I noticed is all of them looked like a Native American. There wasn't really, he didn't have one that looked like a chimpanzee, and he didn't have one that looked like an ape.

He didn't have one that. And so I don't know, I always felt like it was kind of skewed a little bit because he's not really taking the full picture. I mean, it'd be like if I put something out and every one of them look like a chimpanzee except for a human nose, someone might look at that and go, yeah, that's not really what I saw.

Yeah. Did you get that impression from the Hooper project? Well, I think the reason that most of, he would remember he was doing artist's exceptions. What David did was, David, very, analytical thinker. After being a, you know, he was a policeman and a detective, then he worked for a tech company.

And so David did the stick-in thing in California. Basically what happened, it was real quick, short-door, basically David was approached. He was retired. He didn't have anything to do. You know, he was looking for something to do, to continue some sort of career. And a couple of very high-end, well-known tech people

from Silicon Valley approached him. And both of them had, they were partners in a business, but separately as childhood, they both had big foot experiences. So they knew Dave who, you know, the company worked with, and they asked, they will fund you to go look into this. I mean, we know it sounds crazy, but we really, we got the money and we really won't get to the ball mess. You know, is it a hoax with what we see real? What's the deal? And so that's what started the Hooper project. So he started going in California, he started stickpinning.

He looked at every source he could find. And the biggest source or the biggest glob of stick pins was on the hoop of reservation, which is not too far from Bluff Creek. So he says, okay, there's where am I going. You know, that's big for the hotspot central. And so he literally, you know, starts milling around the tribe. He puts a sticker on, gets an official hat. He gets them to trust him.

You know, I'm not some fly-by-night guy that's trying to make a dollar. I'm doing mysterious research. So when Harvey's doing those sketches, you go to remember, he's only sketching a big foot from that one area of that isolated pockets, of that isolated pocket, which, you know. I got you. That makes more sense. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, I'm good friends of Dave, and I know Harvey Pratt, but I've actually got photographs of one here that has the upturn nose.

It actually got the nose where, you know, the nostrils are upturned. Mary Green used to get a lot of flat because the ones here in East Tennessee, you know, when the other bigwigs in the Bigfoot world would come around, she said, well, mine are all roundhead. They don't have a cone head. They're round head, and they look like people. And they're like, oh, you're a crazy woman. You know what you're talking about. That's not what they look like.

So I think that, I think the area of the country has some to do with it. I think there is crossbreeding with humans and there's dilution. You know, it just depends on the population where they're at and how much crossbreeding, you know, has taken place. Yeah, no, and I'm glad that you clarified that. I didn't realize it was all taken from, I thought it was several areas, you know, several witnesses from across the United States. I didn't realize it was all. No, no, no. All those were from that hoop of reservation.

Yeah, which makes more sense. Yeah, on the second book, he branched out and went. Oklahoma. And when he did Tribal Bigfoot, when Dave was trying to kind of put it all together, his second book was Travel Bigfoot, they spread out from Hoopo, they went to Oklahoma to reservation in Oklahoma. Those are a little different. I mean, they're still human looking, but you can tell there's a difference in their look. Yeah, and I've always said, you know, from different portions of the United States, I get different reports. And I want to get into the Nephilim thing, on White, how you came to that conclusion. Before we

do, though. You had mentioned earlier you had run into one and it looked very human-like. Do you mind telling us about that and kind of describing what you saw? Sure. Probably, I have to look at all the memories from the Taylor sometimes so much going on. I did research it pretty heavy for about two years. And it really started taking the joy out of going in the woods because you know, whenever you go in the woods, they knew you were there and they would try to get your retention and it was deer season. I really just wanted to go deer hunting. And the only place I did to go, unfortunately, the best place to go was my research area, of course, it was a different part of the research area. So I kind of got a tad bit of a late start, but I really didn't care. I just wanted to

get out the woods, get up in the tree stand with my bow and just deer hunt and zone out. I did take my camera, but it was literally, I stuck it in my, it was an afterthought, you know, because I said, well, if I don't take my camera, then one's going to run out and stand there in by tree stand and, you know, moon me. So I said, I'll take the camera, but I had actually had it turned off. It was in my pocket. And so I've got a tree stand on my back, bowing my hand, and I'm headed out to, I'm heading out this, it's a, it's a pipeline that, you know, they keep the pipeline cut.

There's a, you know, horse trail going down the middle of it. And the grass is probably armpit high on the sides of the trail, because you can walk down the center. So I'm walking, and I start down this hill. and, you know, it's breaking daylight now. You can see pretty much see pretty good. You know, it's probably, I should have already been in the tree stand. But I get, I get, you know, about a quarter way down, going down this little hill, and it hits me.

And I mean, it's like, oh, shit. I just knew. I said, there's one behind me. I knew it. I mean, it was the weirdest feeling. I'm like, I knew it was being watched. Air on my back was stand up. And I just knew it.

So I turned around, and sure enough, and I turn around back up the hill where it's level, maybe 25 yards, it wasn't too far. I wasn't that far down the hill. I start seeing this little black dome coming up out of the grass. It's a little higher, a little higher. And basically, this big foot is raising up. He's got jet black hair, and it skins black. You know, it's black on black as far as the skin and the hair.

And, you know, it raises up. I see it. Basically, it raises up to, right, it snows exposed and it stops about where, you know, the grass lines about, right on, like, it's top lip. And, I mean, it's, you know, it's round, it's not a full grown adult, but I'm just staring at it and it's staring at me. And it doesn't blink.

This is looking right at me. It's got, I mean, I'm looking right. I'm looking right in its eyes. We're just looking at each other. And the weird thing was I wasn't, I mean, I was excited, but it wasn't like I was losing my mind like I thought it would. It was almost like, oh, crap, you know, here we go. You know, it's almost one of those feelings, you know. You know, on the one day that I really wanted to be left alone, this is going to happen.

You know, when I'm really not, it's almost like, you know, I wasn't mentally prepared. You know, when you go research and get yourself sucked up, you're ready, you're looking, you're on, you know, you're on your game. speak. And this was, I was totally relaxed. I wasn't, I wasn't mentally prepared for this experience, so to speak. It was like, you know, so, you know, there's really no time to even get worked up. You know, it's just, there to get, boom.

And so, we're looking at each other. I mean, it's the classic. I mean, it's got, you know, it's got a flat nose, you know, lined flat nose on the face, high cheekbones. It's got really, you know, deep brow, but I can see it's eye, see the white, this barely feel a little bit of the scler. You know, this,

a little bit of the flights of the eyes on the edge of it. And I'm looking, and after I don't know how much time passed a minute, not long, but about a minute, a minute, a half, I decide, okay, someone's got to do something. So I was going to say something. I was going to say hello. I started to form the words that go, and when I did, it's like it knew I was getting ready to talk to it. It turned and it jumped across the trail. It looked like a, you know, it was in a squatted. position.

So it let it let up and tight run from that position, if you can imagine that. So it crossed the trail almost looked like a hurdler. You know what I'm saying?

It was stretched out with one leg in front and one leg in back because it crossed the trail and was kind of hunched over. He shot across that trail. I mean, I guess the pipeline,

he probably covered 10, 12 feet like in a blink and I almost like it was a cartoonish top. And he went And he ran up this trail, and it was like, it was, it was, boom, he was gone. It was like, you know, I'm not going to let you speak to me, you know, I'm not going to listen.

Or I'm not, you know, whatever you're getting ready to do, it ain't going to happen. So that was the, I guess, the first time I had to eye one. Yeah, it's terrifying coming face to face with these things. And I know you have, I know you called a dog man, and the dog man video where I think he had the camera on your back, then you're working out. Yeah, I finally figured out early in my research that whatever it is, they're not

going to be in front of you, and they were patrons. They were hiding papers. And I kind of accidentally figured this out because I was holding the camera and pointing it off to the side. I literally wasn't pointed on purpose. I was just holding it, had it run, and was doing something else, and one peeked out of the bush.

And so that kind of led me, need to start thinking about it. So I started putting a camera on my shoulder pointing backwards. And I called it the back trail camera. And then I would basically the whole time I'm out, I would have it. You know, I'd stop, you know, I'd start and stop it to cut the clips down. But I'd film the whole time. So on this dog man catcher, I kept going to the area where I'd had the

infrasound experience where I'd run out on the end of the trail actually stops. and the lake goes across. So on this day, I go to the feeding station. I mean, I know something's not right, but I can't figure out what it is, and it's one of those things. But there were some odd stuff. The Bigfoot sign was diminishing.

Something was going, and I knew something was wrong, but it just couldn't figure out what it was. So, you know, I've got the two cameras. I've always had one on a monopod. And, you know, most time I filmed it to the side or back, to, but I had it in case something happened in front of me. And then, of course, I always had the back trail camera. So I go to the end of this point, and I'm actually zooming in and out,

and I'm concentrating on this aisle, you know, because I'm time to make sure there's nothing on that aisle looking back at me. Well, while I'm doing this, you know, and I'm there for four or five minutes, and then it's kind of getting time where I'm getting ready to leave. So if you can imagine, the cameras on my left shoulder pointing backwards, and I'm squared up and I start to turn to the left. As I start to turn to the left, there's brush, very thick brush behind me. And no more than three or four thick behind me as I start to turn my shoulder. In the video, there is a creature with his head back, and as I turn, his head comes down. And then by the

time I turn my shoulders and stop moving, and the camera motion stops, he has leveled his head out and he pushes his face forward. So there's a, literally there's a piece of a cedar tree literally laying on top of his nose. His nose is exposed, his right eye, right ear, right side of his face is exposed,

and that's it. And so we said, and so he can see him for a few seconds. And, of course, I'm getting ready to keep turning around. So if I'm turning and I'm moving the shoulders, you can see he's moving. He's kind of, he's kind of,

he's kind of, he's kind of, do something. I've got to get ready. As I continue to turn around and he goes, you can just see as a camera pans off of him, he kind of, he kind of just squats down below my eye level where I can't see him. He doesn't run off. He's still right there. And then, and then I, you know, I pause for a moment with my front facing camera. I actually kind of pan that area. Kind of like I know maybe something's round, but I just don't know. And that was always a scary part. is, you know, with a big foot, I knew they were near me and I could fill them.

And with this thing, I really could, I knew something was wrong, but I couldn't fill. And so then I turn around and walk off. Well, I don't know this is happening. This is on a back trail camera. I have no clue. So I go on about my day, you know, when I get back home, I run, I start, you know, usually if I had time, I'd run through my footage real quick. Well, when I'm running through this back trail footage, I mean, boom, there it is.

And that literally scared me to death. Because this thing is literally just right behind me. If it wants me, it's got me. There's not, you know, there's no, you know, it could have just, you know, whatever it wanted to do could it could have done. And one of the oddest things on it I noticed is there's a little, on its right shoulder against the side of its head is this little entity. And the entity has a human-like looking little face and the skin is fleshed home.

and it's got a bumpy the head is silver colored against its hair I don't know you can look at the video and try to figure that out for yourself and the whole time when I really got to analyze in this video

it is in HD and zooming up this little burger his mouth is moving on the time like making popping noises he looks like a fish you know like a fish like a gold fish making those open his mouth

and that little mouse is going 90 miles of many. He's constantly doing something. And you can actually watch if you zoom in and slow it down, you can watch the nostrils on the dog man are opening and closing as he's breathing. I'll have to go back and really take a look at it. I'd love to post it to the site so the listeners can watch it. But when you sent it to me and I was watching it, I don't know about dog man. Again, I only saw it one time and I have an eyesight of like a 90-year-old man, I have to go back and take a look. But you did capture something.

I mean, there is something there. It reminded me when I first looked at it, and I looked at it right before we're on an error. It kind of reminded me of like, you know, if someone would have said to me, this is a gorilla hiding in the brush in Africa, I'd have been like, okay, I can go with that. Because it's this big black head.

And you're right, it does kind of dodge down as you're spinning the camera around. If I have your permission, I'd love to post it to the website. Yeah, that's great. Go ahead and post it. You know, people who are more familiar. See, I'm not a dog man researcher. I never was, okay?

I literally had to create another blog to post Dog Man stuff too because the Bigfoot people lost it back then. It wasn't cool. We don't want to hear about Dog Man. Don't talk to us about it. A DNA study was going on. David's like, see, I got this footage right in the middle of the DNA study.

And David's like, for God's sake, do not release the study. I mean, do not put this video out. People will lose their minds. We don't need, you know, we're having hard enough trouble getting people to take big foot seriously. The dog man's just, oh, don't do it. I mean, he didn't want, nobody wanted to touch it with a 10-foot pole. You know, except for Linda Godfrey, everybody else is like, oh. So I literally created on my head.

A side blog said, okay, I'll post all the stuff over here. People want to look at it. That's great. I don't research dog, man, I never have. They just kind of showed up on their own and started aggravating me. I didn't go looking for it. But I was going to look at that lady's name. Hang on one second.

There was a, there was a Linda Goughrey did this story about this woman and her husband that were terrorized a group of, dog men and she looked at my video and she said that's the closest thing I've seen to the dog man terrorized us they had the flat noses and that a head shape like that it's i think her last name is martin shelley martin and uh she was actually featured on a tv show where they one of those paranormal tv shows where they talked about their experiences and everything but i've got the whole i've got her comments and stuff on my dog man blog.

Yeah, it's one of those things to where you would think if it, you know, whether it's related or not, we just don't know. I mean, and so why not look into like the dog man? Because we just don't know if it's related or not. And what's interesting is when I've said this before in the past, and I was a harsh critic of the dog man. And until I started talking to witnesses, and I found the same thing with witnesses who've run into this dog man, they're very consistent across the board on what they're seeing.

I mean, they're just as consistent as, you know, it's less common than running into Sasquatch, but the people that do run into Dog Man, they're very consistent. And so as all of this went on and your research went on, you came to the conclusion that these are Nephilim? Yes. I'm a Christian. I'm a born-again Christian. And, you know, so I, you know, my world, you know, I have a biblical worldview. So, you know, and so, you know, that's something that, you know, that's something that, you know,

You know, your listeners need to know. I mean, some people don't believe in God. Some do. Some, you know, are different types of religions or whatever. So, you know, I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God, and I believe it's inherent. And I believe that books like Enoch and Jashir, these books are, they're not scripture. But since they're referenced by the Bible, they're kind of biblically endorsed,

you know, because Jesus or the Bible itself quotes from them or reference them. So as I'm getting deeper into my research, search and, you know, we get the DNA study back. And, you know, all right, so now I've gone from it's a smart aid to it's a human hybrid. But then, you know, we start having these supernatural things. And I don't, you know, I'm saying supernatural to say, there are things that human beings can't do. Okay. These are things that, you know, we don't have the ability or we don't have the technology or the

knowledge to do. because I'm sure what some of the stuff we do to someone 300 years ago would seem like we're supernatural, right? So I use that word to say that, you know, say that, you know, these things were happening that I couldn't understand that, or I couldn't, you know, put a finger on. I've got footage and I actually saw one or saw, I mean, I guess I can't say it was a big flip because it was cloaked. But something was cloaked. And when I'm in cloak, I mean, it was moving. through the woods and it was almost like it was just like looking at the predator movie. And it had the shape and general form of what it would consider a big foot.

I had orbs. I was sitting on my back porch and got photographs of my iPhone of orbs. And in one photo, there's three orbs moving in three different directions. So it's not a winds flare. You know, that happened. I got twice I got pictures of warbs on my. back porch. The, you know, the showing up at my house without really any, you know, there's just no way. I didn't, I wouldn't buy and they were smelling me here. The single footprints,

you'd have a situation where you'd have dust everywhere, you know, and that there'd be a single footprint right in the center of it. You're like, well, how did you get in and get out without leaving another footprint? These are the things. The mind speak stuff started, you know, they were trying to talk to me telepathically, which, you know, And I just, I never had any of that. I just said, no. I refused to even allow it to happen. I mean, I got some migraines from it.

But, you know, I know other friends of mine that let them do the mind speak, but I won't allow them to do it. I just, I just said, nope. Even before I, you know, felt that, you know, in my opinion, came to the conclusion there in that moment. I don't know there was just something wrong about it. I don't know how else to explain. So, you know, these, these supernatural things, plus other people, you know,

I'm helping people. You know, we take calls from people that need help. And we had this one situation where this one woman was, it was a last resort. We actually told her to pray and read her Bible out loud because we had actually tried everything else with this woman. She was being, you know, seriously harassed by the thing. They were shaking her trailer and being very threatening. And me being the Christian, I said, try this. All we know to do is try it.

It worked. she went outside and she prayed still don't know when she'd come out anymore she sit on her front porch and she heard her you know out front and she read out the Bible out loud and they wouldn't come around anymore

as far as you know they would be on the outskirts but they didn't like you know attack her trailer anymore so you know that these sort of experiences you know and then I continue my research you know because it's kind of like

you know once the DNA study was done, we felt like, okay, we proved it. You know, people don't believe it, but that's their problem. You know, we wrapped this bad boy up, put a little bowl on top of it. You know, the Bigfoot is a human hybrid. We're done. So, you know, I'm kind of, that research is kind of over-so-speat. Dave goes on these 401 books.

And, you know, other than doing the helping people out and taking eyewitness reports, you know, I start, you know, that's when I start looking into some of the other things. I start noticing, you know, well, the elongated school, you know, we find it in elongated schools. And I see some of these pictures of these elongated schools, and I say, well, that's funny. That kind of looks like the head of a big foot, you know. You know, and, you know, it's supposed to be an elongated skull. And then all of a sudden you start seeing reports. Alongated school, paramagnum goes to the very back of the skull.

It doesn't go to the center. That's where the, you know, spinal column. Instead of going to the center of the skull goes the back. And then it's 25% larger, so it's not cradleboarding. and, you know, and people like L.A. Marzuli and some of these other people, I start researching their work. And, you know, of course, they're researching the napulam and these elongated still things. And all of a sudden, their DNA comes back exactly like the DNA from the Sosk study. You know, we've had a human woman as a female progenitor, unknown male.

Here's an interesting thing I did in my book is L.A. Morsui got the halpotops from some of the, was able to get the help all types for some of the elongated schools in South America, and they all pointed back to the, you know, the mid-east area. Because, you know, and that's, and guess what the big, uh,

many of the big foot that we, we got their help of tops to go back to the mid-east area. So, you know, there's another common thread. So it was just from the study of that, I started reading Enoch, uh, you know, the eyewitness reports.

it just, you know, one thing led to another, and I finally just standing there. And I said, these things match exactly what the Bible called the done, except they're hairy. And that's kind of when that was my, you know, that's kind of when I got into my aha moment. You know, I think, and I recount this in the book, I mean, one of the things that really took me over the talk

was an episode, I was with Greg Gerardix, and we had gone in. and we've done a day and nothing much that really happened. We were walking back out in the Great Smoky Mountains. We were walking back out the trail. And I tended to try this experiment, and that this was a good time to do it. I was with someone because I really wanted to make sure could these things understand me, these things know what was going on.

They kind of demonstrated they already knew what technology was and they could disable it. So, you know, you put a camera to the woods, they're going to find it, and they're going to disable it. I mean, period. and anybody wants to argue on that point. I'll argue all the way long because I can prove it because ain't nobody got pitcher up and exposed to hoot. So there you go. So we're walking on our way out.

He's got a digital voice recorder. He's recording on. I'm recording with my back trail camera. And I told him, I said, on the way on, I'm going to start talking just like really bad about them. I said, I'm going to start putting them down. I'm going to start saying, you know, very bad things. I'm going to call them out.

I'm going to make fun of them. Excuse me. So that's what I start doing. And we're, you know, we're about maybe a quarter mile away from the parking lot. And I'm giving them down the road, you know, saying stuff like, well, you know, these big foot, they're a bunch of pansy, you know. They, they won't show, they're afraid of it. That's why they won't show themselves. They ain't got the gut. You know, they're just full of crap, being pretty verbally abusive.

And so as we're walking, all of a sudden, now in the middle of where, well, I'm in the middle of one of my rants. I'm walking, we're walking a trail to ride up as a creek and then a very steep hill with a laurel ticket. On the left, it's a rock face, goes 10 or 12 feet tall, up, and then it goes up the hill real steep. So a rock face is to our left creek in the rock world's creek, and the rock world's creaks his ticket. I get hit with something, and all I can describe it is it was like, as a boy running around the country, every now and then you'd be stupid enough to grab an electric fence. And so that's what it felt like. And it hit me in the left side and it ran up my right side, excuse me,

ran up my right arm across my chest and then out my left arm. And I mean, it hit me like a, I mean, it was like a thud. I mean, it hit me hard. I stumbled. I almost went down. And it addled me. You know, it really got, it hit me hard. And it hurt.

I mean, it was no other way to say it hurt. I mean, this was painful. It's like getting tased, I guess. I've never been tased by tased by it, it hurt. And I'm like, oh, God, you know. And I stumbled and, and Fred kind of wist over and grabbed me, all right. I said, yeah, I said, did you feel that? And he says, no, but he said, I heard a whoosh go by my face about the same time you stumbled.

And we kind of, we looked around, once I got my composure. You know, we'd film, we'd look, we couldn't find anything to make anything else happen. So we'd go on home, he says, well, when I get that DVR stuff up, you know, I'll send you a snippet there. And so, you know, on my video, the camera, there's a little bit of a pop on my camera. You can hear the pot. It's like a, you know, you can hear like some sort of noise, but really can't make it out. But his DVR really got an interesting recording. at the time I got hit, you can hear this pop.

It's an audible pop. And then there's a crackle after it. So it's a, you know, a pop and, you know, like a, you know, crackle. And the interesting thing was, you know, when I got up in the morning and you got to go to the bathroom, while I went to urinate, there was quite a bit of blood in my urine. I mean, it was a scary amount of blood. And so I called him up and I said, did you? get that snippet ready, he said, yeah, I'm going to email it to. And I said, I hate to ask this,

but I got to. I said, when you met up this morning, did you have urine in your blood? And he says, yeah, I was going to ask you. If you had urine in your blood, I said, yeah, I had urine in my blood. So, you know, this is that, you know, of course, the Bigfoot researchers will call that fapping. And it's not a nice thing. It's not a good thing. And, but, you know, fortunately, you know, the blood cleared up. That was the only time was that the first, in the, in the morning and then the next time everything was clear. But, you know, that had a physical effect on both of us. Even though he didn't actually get hit with it as hard as I did,

he still had urine in his blood, or blood in his urine, excuse me. And, you know, this was in, and there's no doubt this was in direct response to what I was doing. You know, there's no doubt in my mind. So, you know, then that kind of is like, okay, you know, the gig is up, guys. You understood me in English. you got angry and you responded appropriately and you lashed out and hurt me and at that point it was kind of like everything just laid in a place they're not smart apes they're human hybrids or more and i'm not you know they know english for sure you know along with whatever other languages and so that that was kind of the moment when i realized this is not you know what i'm dealing with here is not normal you know i'm not you know i'm not buying this whoop and this rock clacking crap anymore. You know, if you want to bang on trees,

you can do that for the finding bigfoot guys, you know, they'll eat that crap up. But, you know, you know, consciously, I'm like, I'm not buying it anymore. I kind of came to the conclusion that a lot of this stuff they do is probably just, I mean, literally they're just messing with them. Okay? They're trying to confuse this. They're trying to disorient. They're trying to get you off the track of what they really are. Like I was to do hoops and would not have a communication long distance and, you know, he does. But a lot of this stuff's just for show. I really do believe a lot of this crap they do is just for show.

They're just, you know, they're human enough to have a sense of humor and want to mess with people. Yeah. And I think that's what they do. I think sometimes that's what they do. They literally are just screwing with you. Yeah, and you hear that a lot from a lot of witnesses. and I know it's getting late. And there's so many things I want to talk to you about.

I definitely have to have you back on the show, Scott. Sure. The book again, and I've just started reading it, it's actually a really good, really good book. I can appreciate good writing because I'm terrible at it. And so when you're terrible at something and you see someone else who's actually pretty good at it, you tend to respect it.

But the book, again, is called The Nephilim Among Us, The Identity and Origin of Sasquatch, and other mysterious creatures. It'll be on Amazon, and I'll put links in here for the e-book. The e-book's actually really cool. That's what I'm reading is the e-book, and that's what I recommend people get.

Go ahead, Scott. No, I was saying, you know, the e-book, you know, I'm able to put more pictures in it, and you can, you know, you can zoom pictures up. If you want a job, you can take it to Kinkos and have them, you know, print it off. we were talking earlier that, you know, I did come out with the paperback version, and that was more just because I had a good number of people request it.

You know, I said, well, you know, it's going to be more expensive. They're like, we don't care. I'd rather have a book in hand. So, you know, you know, the kind of old school. So, you know, it is in paperback. But like I said, the e-version, the e-book is obviously more economical and, in my opinion, a little bit easier because you can zoom in. You can go print it, you know, the pictures, you know, the PDFs, you can zoom in and look at things and take your time with it.

You know, when you, when you, I know you're aware when you try to put even high-death pictures in it and print them in a book, you know, you lose so much. You know, unless the book's just almost unreasonably expensive. But yeah, if they go to my, you can go, I've got a blog site called the Nephlin. Among Us.blogspot.com. There'll be a link there to both books and both the e-book version. And right now it's on the book. It should be the Amazon people, you know, I say it takes five to seven days.

It's been about five days since I actually published, you know, officially click the button with CreateSpace and published it. People can also go to www.orgateSpace.com. and it's, what is it, 6, 5, 9, 4, 7, 5, 4 is the reference number. If you get forward slash and put that after it, it'll take you to that a little page where you can buy you. If you want to buy the hard, I mean, this paperback you can. I mean, I've got, I've got, I've got the Bigfoot Field Journal blog, and then I've got to call it the Dog Man Monsters for Real Blog,

where I stuck all my dogman stuff on if people are interested in the next. And my e-books, I mean, if you want to go directly to my e-books, it's cellfi. S-E-L-L-F-Y dot com forward slash Scott Carpenter, S-O-T-T-R-P-N-T-R-O-P-N-T-R all one word. And you can download you, you just, PayPal, it, download it. And, of course, if you have any trouble to download, some people sometimes have trouble just email me and I'll, and I'll make sure you get it. the book. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll put all the links in below, but I'll definitely have to have you back. And Scott, I appreciate you coming on, man, and sharing your experiences. I know some of them

are kind of, you know, for the audience listening, it's kind of odd, it's kind of weird. But, you know, if it's the truth and what happened to you, and you do, you're not the first to say this kind of stuff. That's the thing I want to remind the audience is you're definitely not the first to say this. I've had witnesses on that have said this, and I've talked to a lot of witnesses privately. And so for me, you know, it's kind of like, well, what is this thing? And I've thought about them being the Nephilim, but, you know, in my mind, I just don't know. But the book is definitely a good read, and I highly recommend everyone get yourself a copy. And Scott, thanks again, man.

Oh, you're welcome. I enjoyed it. Anytime you'll come back home, just let me know. I'd be glad to do it. There's more to cover. I can tell quite a while about all the different experiences over the last two years. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you again, Scott.

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