Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:341 Encounters with the old man of the forest

Episode Date: July 9, 2017

Tonight I will be welcoming back to the show Lee Woods. Lee talks about a recent sighting they had while out investigating Sasquatch. Lee says, "I never told my friend about this creature the locals call the old man. When people see this creature they describe him as being a gray/white color. The night we were in one of my area's my friend who is not really into bigfoot saw this creature and described it to a tee. Sam was in front of me about 20 feet when he shined the light right on this thing…."

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Summertime.

That's my summertime music. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Lee, who comes to us from North Carolina. and I had Leon, gosh, maybe a couple hundred episodes to go, and he talked about his own personal encounter. But tonight he wanted to share some updates with us

from an area he's been investigating. And also, too, there's a creature out there that people are seeing, and they call it the old man of the woods. And a lot of the people in his area have seen this creature, and the reason why they call it the old man of the woods is it's gray, it's white, and it's tall, hairy, looks like an old man. And Lee had actually recently run into this creature. So he'll be talking about some of that tonight.

He'll be talking about different things he's found investigating out in the woods and also be asking him about anything weird or strange he's run into. The answer might surprise you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, There's a lot of cool stuff on there. You can become a member, get additional shows.

There's a daily blog. If you get a chance, please check it out. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Lee to the show. Lee, thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. And I know I had you on a couple years ago. Gosh, I can't remember.

Do you remember where episode that was, Lee? I am not going to lie to you, Ralph, top of my head. I can't remember. I actually listened to it. I actually listened to it about a month ago, but I cannot remember what episode was. Well, let's talk about some of the newer stuff going on in your area. And I also want to get into the encounter with your friend Sam.

And actually, a lot of questions about that. Actually, let's just jump right into that real quick. Would you mind walking us into this encounter you had with Sam? And what did you call it the gray old man? Is that what the creature's called? Yeah, they call it the old man of the forest down there because he's got like grayish silver hair. Oh, okay. The gentleman that went with me, his name's Sam, but I call him Sam I am.

He had been wanting to go down there with me for a while because he didn't really, but he wanted to believe it, but he did, you know. And I thought, I told him, so I tell you what, I said, we'll go down there. Well, the first time I actually took him in the area, the first night when he was down there, he actually had a rock throwed at him, and that's the first time I had ever had a rock thrown at me, but he got it that night, and it was about the size of a golf ball, and I still got the rock. That was his first time down there. Okay, the second time down there, we went down there.

I took him on the road. It's about eight miles back up on this stretch of road. It's an old dirt road. And we went about probably five and a half miles back up in there. And we parked on the left-hand side because you can't get our trucks way up in there because it's so many ditches. You just can't get up in there. So we parked and we walked probably, I will say, maybe about 100 yards from our truck.

And we set up our tents. And we stayed Friday night and Saturday night and Sunday night. Okay, well, we're up there, and Friday night about, I'm going to say, between 945 and close to 10 o'clock, we're sitting around the fire talking. Down there where the trucks are at, we hear what sounds like a baby deer, a fawn. It's going bha-a-a-like that. And Sam looked at me, he said, did you hear that? And I said, yeah, I heard it. And we sat there probably about five, ten minutes a while by, and it done it again.

and we just kind of sat there looking at each other and then about five, ten minutes went by and it done it again. What Sam said, if that thing does that one more time, he said, I'm going to walk down there. I said, all right. Well, no soon he said that, it did it again. But every time it would do it, it kept sounding like it was getting closer to us.

Well, the last time that it did it, Sam just, you know, he's ex-marine, he just jumped up and he grabbed his flashlight. He just took off. They really didn't say anything. And the flashlight they took was actually mine, so I grabbed my phone. So I can have a little bit of light so I can see where I'm going because we're walking. And it's nothing but holes down in there.

So he takes off and I'm like, Sam, hold on now. You know, give me room to get behind you. So he's probably, I'm going to say maybe 20 feet from me. And we get about probably, I'm going to say, within 30 feet of where the trucks are at. And we hear it again. Well, Sam stops and I'm right behind him. Well, we start walking real slow up to where the trucks are at. And just as soon as we get, I'm going to say maybe five feet from.

right from where my truck was at, it did it again. And when it did, Sam picked up a stick. He reached out picked up a stick, and he threw a stick over to where it was at and sound. When he did that, you could hear something like literally stand up. And I'm not talking like a deer standing up because there's a lot of brush, it's real thick in there. It's about, the grass is about knee high up in there.

And when it stood up, you could tell that it had some size to it. It stood up real quick. And all you could hear was like a real high. heavy step where it took off real fast. And Sam jumped back. He tried to look to me and he said, that ain't no damn deer. And I said, no, I didn't know, I didn't know deer. So he took off after. Okay.

Well, Sam just takes off running. And I'm like, said, all I got is my flashlight. That's all the light I got. So he takes off and I'm hollered him. I said, Sam, slow down, dude. You know, I need the light. So he's going and he's probably a good 25 feet from me. And he's going and going and going.

And all of a sudden, when he gets up there just about before the tent, where the tent's where at, the actual road cuts to like a curve with a tent rat, he gets right about there and Sam starts hollering. Oh, God. Oh, God. Lee, did you see it? Did you see it?

And I said, no, Sam. I said, I'm about 20 feet behind you. I said, I can't see nothing. He said, hurry and get up here. So I went up here where he's at. And I said, what did you see? And he was pointing toward the right side of his tent off into the woods right there. There was two big trees and some smaller ones.

He said, man, he said, I'm telling you right now. He said, you see the big tree right there? I said, yep, he said, between that big tree to that tree to the third tree, he said, I saw something walking upright from one tree to the next. And he said, when it hit that third tree, it shot to the right real fast. And I said, well, he said, well, he said, I can't. He said, I just can't. He was in shock. I mean, really.

He said, I cannot believe what I just saw. I said, what did you see? He said, what I saw looked like a big head. He said, no shoulders. He said, like a big head. thing had arms because I saw the arm swinging. He said, this was no deer. I saw how tall was it? He said,

I'm going to say six, five every bit of it. He said, it had some size to it. He said, but it was kind of gray as silver looking. And I said, really? He said, yeah. Now, Sam, that's the second time Sam had been down there with me, but I had never told Sam about the one they called the old man of the woods

about the gray hair one. I had never said nothing to him about that. And that's exactly what he described to me. Okay. Well, after that happened, we sat back down at the fire and we sat there until about 4.30 in the morning just sitting around talking. He was just, I mean, he couldn't shut up about it. That's all he wanted to talk about was big for them. And we're sitting there and up from behind us, up in the forest, we started hearing that same sound again, that like that.

And Sam stood up and he hollered. He said, I know you out there. He said, come on back down here. I know you out there. And so, but that night went on. And we had set trip line up all around. the area, took fishing line and set it up all the way around us because that's what Sam wanted to do. And he put little bells out there. He said, because if something comes up, I want to hear it.

So that's what we did. Well, we never heard no bells go off. But the next morning, we got out. I got out of my tent about 10 o'clock, and I standing a brush my teeth, and he finally come out. And we're standing there talking. He's brushing his teeth and they're saying. And he walks over to the left side of his tent. And where the left side of his tent is, there's like a little, just a little bit of an abankment maybe about three and a half four feet high and it curves up and goes right down off in the forest he's standing there looking and i saw him take the toothbreadth after the mouth he just kind of just stand there staring and i knew he was looking at something i said what do you see sam he he just said come here just kind of like with his hand just come here so i walked over to it and he pointed and where

the trip line was at the trim line was broke and the little red bell that he had on there the bell was gone and we walked over there and look and on the backside of where the trip line was at coming up that little hill, there was a 15-inch track right there like you had just stuck one foot up on that hill after it snapped that trip line and was standing right there looking right dead at us. And that was the second like Sam was down there with us. I wanted to ask you about this old man that people talk about. What are some encounters that you've heard with this quote-unquote old man? What I've heard is he's been seen.

I mean, from what I've heard, he's been seen down there since like the 70s. Now, I don't know if they're seeing the same one, which I've heard about it in different areas, because there's like four main areas that I use down there. And he's been seen in three of the areas. And if it's the same one, he's walking probably within a good 20-mile radius is what he's doing. But I've heard descriptions of it being six foot. I've heard descriptions of it being seven foot. Then I've heard some say that it was kind of like a light silver.

Then I've heard the other ones say that it was solid ground. gray looking. You know, I've always heard that it was called the old man of the forest, and that's the way it looks. Did you ever get any aggressive reports from this being that people are seeing this creature? I have never gotten any, but I've got one. It's not really aggressive. It's, I don't know if you want me to tell you about it or not, but it's not really aggressive. It's just, okay. It's funny because sometimes when I'm in an area, and I mean, some of the people I know down there, they know who I am, they'll come up and start telling me stuff that's happened,

give me information. And then some of people that I have met in the last 10 years of doing this, they'll just come up and say, hey man, have you heard about this? You heard about that. And this is the example right here. It was me and I call it as my wife, my partner in crime. We were down there and I was backing into an area. I was going to loads some of my wood. And there, there was two guys out there and they had a little girl, so like she around 9 or 10 years old. And they, there was no cars there, they just had two tents. And I thought, you know, I didn't know that nobody was even out there at first. Well, they finally come out of their tent, and the guy hollered at me.

He said, hey, man, he said, do you want to come over here? He said, because we're going to leave. And I said, well, I said, I didn't want to bother you. I didn't know. He said, no, he said, we hiked in from the backside of the mountain. I said, okay, that's fine. So I went over there, and I backed my truck in, and I started to loading the wood. Well, when I was unloading it, my wife kept telling me, she said, they keep staring at you, like they know you.

And I said, I don't know them. I said, I promised you, I don't know. And about that time, one of the guys come walking over there, and she said, here he comes. And I said, okay. So he came over there, and he said, hey, man, he said, let me ask you a question. He said, do you come down here a lot? And I said, yeah, I visited pretty frequently. And he said, have you ever had anything happened down here?

And I knew right then where it was going. But I didn't want to, you know, I didn't want to feed him or, you know, give him anything. I said, well, like what? He said, well, he said, we came down here last night. We hiked in. He said, got down here about seven o'clock. And he said, this is the first time we were actually been in this area. He said, in about one o'clock last night, he said, I got out of my tent because I had come

here and used a bathroom. He said, I come out here at the edge of the woodline. He said, I'm standing here using the bathroom. And he said, I'm looking around for my dog. He said, I can't find my dog nowhere. And he had like a big old black lab. And I mean, it was a big dog. And he said, you see that dog sitting right there?

And I said, yeah. And the dog was literally behind the tree, just sitting there. He said, that dog right there scared to death. He said, last night, he said, I was standing here to know what I had to do. He said, I couldn't see the dog. He said, I finally saw the dog. He said, I went over and I got the dog. He said, come on.

He said, come on. He used the bathroom. He said, because he was sitting behind the tree. He said, so I just took him by the car. He said, I just literally drug him over here. And he said, he was fighting me the whole time. He said, I pulled him over here at the edge of the woodline where I was at. And he said, man, he said, I'm not lying you.

He said, the dog started backing up real slow. And he said, it was looking down in the forest. And he said, that dog was growling real hard last night at something. I said, really? He said, yeah. And he said, that dog got up and it went right over there behind that tree. And it's been behind that tree all night long. And he said, so I went over there and he said, I got my brother out there with him.

He said, I told my brother. He said, hey, man, he said, come out here. He said, there's something going on out here. He said, so his brother come out there. He said, they were standing there at the edge of the woods line. He said, it was kind of foggy that night. He said, so you could just barely see because we had had a rain the day before. he said so you can just barely see he said we're standing there and he said we've been standing there

maybe 15 20 minutes and he said i told my brother he said man he said there's something out there he said because that dog scared death and he said no sooner than i said that he said from the right hand side of the forest he said we started hearing something making this sound i'll see if i can do it he said it was going like uh uh making a clicking sound and he said from the left hand side of the forest after it done that, he said something started going like whoop like that. And he said, I looked at my brother and he said, we were like, okay, you know, what the hell is going on? He said, we had done it one time. He said, then we waited a few minutes.

He said it started doing it again. He said, then a few minutes later, started doing it again. He said, then all of a sudden, he said, the thing on the right hand side was making that clicking sound. And the thing on the left hand side was making that whoop sound back to it. And he said, that probably went on for a good maybe a minute, minute and a half. he said then all of a sudden it just stopped he said but after it stopped he said man he said he said i don't care if you don't believe me or not he said after it stopped he said the thing that was down on the right hand side he said we heard something get up he said and it took off

running and he said man he said it sounded like a horse running through the forest and he said we got back in our tents we did not come back out the rest of the night well that that morning when he was talking to me they were pack it up and get ready to leave as they were leaving My wife told me she said, look at that dog. That dog was walking out the road with him. And while that dog was walking, that dog had its head turned, and it was looking at that forest. And it kept looking the whole time it was walking like it was watching for something.

Did he ever get a chance to see what it was? No, he said it was completely foggy. And I knew it was foggy down there because that night before I had gotten off work. And I was coming home. It was some foggy. I mean, you can already see the road. And Lee, is this a mean area that you research? It's one of the first.

four. It used to be, excuse me, it used to be my main area when I got into this 10 years ago. But, you know, word of mouth gets out, then you have these TV shows. And I mean, I don't care how how good you try to hide something. Once somebody actually finds that spot, word of mouth, everybody's in there. And I mean, they have just, bam, they have just literally taken it over. I've been out there, like, here's a good example. There's a gentleman. And actually, it was us doing it. And he didn't know, because we didn't know. he was out there. We was out there a couple nights ago, and I saw a gentleman had put a report on the BFRO where he said that around between one and two o'clock in the morning,

he was hearing something to make some howls and do this at the other. Well, what it was, was we was out there doing call blasting with a call blaster, and he was hearing us doing it, but we didn't know he was in the area because we were up on the mountain ridge, and that saying is so loud. I mean, when it blairs, you hear it a good mile away if you're on a ridge. So he reported it and I got to thinking I thought well I asked him where he was at and he told me exactly the area he was in and I was like well okay you know what you heard was us and he told me exactly where he was at and I said yeah I said we were about maybe a half a mile from you I said you were hearing us and he told me the time and I said yep exactly the same time we were doing it so it's that area is pretty

much played out because I mean I've been down there by myself or with somebody else and around I'm 1 o'clock in the morning, you start hearing something going like, whoop, in the forest. And no soon you hear that, you'll start seeing somebody after walking around with headlamp. And it's like, okay, well, you really can't believe too much what comes out of that area anymore because it's played out. So that's, if we get into that area, we never stay in that one section we always used to be in. We always go up the back of the hiking trail, and we get out there about two and a half miles upon that mountain just to get away from everybody. But like I said, that used to be my main area, but I found three more areas now, and one of them is really great as far as the activity. I mean, it makes that one area that I used to use, like a little kid's playground now.

But it's way back off an old logging road. It takes an actually an hour and 20 minutes just to get off the main road to get to the logging road, and then you have to go another hour just to get to the main area. What do you look for in an area? When you go into an area, what is it that you go, okay, I'm going to spend some time here. Is it reports? Is it tree structures? What is it that you find in an area where you think I'm going to spend some time here and take a look around? Well, what I usually do is, I mean, I've kind of learned to do different things over the years.

Like, I've been doing it for almost 10 years. And when I first started, it was like, I'd look for this, look for that. And that's what I do. But here what I'll do now is like when I go into a new area, like this area that I've been down, First thing I started looking, dude, first thing I start looking for is tree structures. And I everybody's like, why do you look for that? And I said, well, if you start finding tree structures or something looks out of place, guess what?

You got company out there because this ain't manmade and the wind ain't doing it. So I started looking for that and then I start looking for tracks. And if I find anything at all, that's going to give me the benefit of the doubt that possibly there's either one or two or maybe a clad of them out there. what I'll do is I'll take the digital recorder that I have, and I've been using this thing. I've got a different one now, is I'll take it out there, and I would literally tie it up into a tree branch, and you can't see it. It's black, and it's got camo.

So, I mean, I've heard people come in different areas that I've been in, walk right by saying, they never even see it, because you can't see it. And I'll take it out there, and I'll leave it for two or three days, because it will play exactly for one week with the back there's in them. And then I'll go back, and I'll bring the audio back, and I'll listen to it. And if I start hearing things out in that area, like if I start hearing wood knocks or rock claps or yells coming out of that area, that gives me a sign that I'm in a possibly good area that I can start researching. And that's how usually I do it. I know you've had encounters. We've talked about it in the past with seeing them on night vision.

But have you had an actual daytime siting without the night vision? An actual daytime siting? I haven't. but I think my wife had one about probably two and a half months ago. Everything that I've ever seen has been through Flair. And I've had two encounters with Flares with them. But my wife, about two and a half months ago, we were coming back off this long trail where I had my dude's recorder set up

and actually had my game cam out there. And we were coming back. And as I was coming up the trail, I put the headset in. I thought, hell, I'm going to start listening to it. Because a lot of times we got there, we just hike around and look for stuff without even trying to go into the area. And I went after and got to record, and like I said, we were coming back. And I had been listening to it maybe six or seven minutes.

And usually when we're walking, she'll stay probably about maybe eight or nine feet behind me because I'm looking and she's looking too. You know, two sets of eyes, a bear and one. Anyway, well, we're walking. And all of a sudden, she comes running behind me. She starts hitting me on the shoulder. And I'm like, what, what? So I pulled the things out of my ears. And she said, did you see that?

And I said, no. And she said, you seriously didn't see that. And I said, no, honey. I said, I'm listening. I'm looking straight ahead. I didn't see anything. She said, okay. She said, when we come up this hill right here, she said, I got the feeling that something was far enough.

She said, because I kept hearing something. I like this, this has been probably about two, two and a half months ago. She said, so I kept looking over real slow to my left-hand side. She said, I couldn't see anything. She said, well, she said, I said, I told you to stop. She said, but you couldn't hear because of the headset. She said, I told you to stop. She said, I bent down like I was going to pretend like I was going to tie.

I shoot. And she said when I bent down and she said when I stood back up, she said, I caught something out of the left corner of my eye. And she said, I turned my head real quick. And she said, what I saw was kind of a brownish black looking. And she said, it was about probably four and a half to five feet near. She said, but it was moving so fast. She said, I just got a glimpse of it. And she said, but I could tell that it was not a deer. She said, it looked like it was humped over. and she said it ran behind a tree, and she said it went behind that tree, and right down behind the little, like this road. There's like a little valley where he's at. She said, it hit that tree and went straight down that valley.

And she said, I'm telling you, she said, maybe a second to half, two seconds, she said, but I know what I saw. And now, like I said, she had that daytime account it right there. You've been looking into this forever. What was it that originally got you into this? I grew up in the 70s. You know, I'm in my 40s now, so I grew up in the 70s. And, you know, back in the 70s, you had all these bigfoot movies like, you know, Boggy Creek.

I think there was one called In Search of. I can't remember the guy's name who's done it. I remember seeing that one. But I remember I was in the library and I was like maybe eight or nine years old, but I do remember it. There was a book that somebody had wrote and it was called Monsters Myth and Legends. And I remember sitting in the library looking through that and it had one picture of Patty, the old Roger Patterson film, you know, the one picture everybody sees where she's kind of walking and cutting her head back it was that picture and when i saw that i thought you know that's that's pretty interesting because you know monsters ain't supposed to

exist so and it was after that is when i started seeing these tv shows well there was one encounter that i had actually it was me and my dad that had it and i haven't really told a lot of people about this because i hadn't really thought about it for a lot of years and then a few years ago me and my wife sitting around talking one day. And I said, you know, I said, come to think about it. Because I had seen some stuff on TV, and I'd heard other people's encounters. And I got thinking about what happened to me when we was between 10, 11 years old. We used to live in a trailer.

It was a place called Hillside Trail Park. And there wasn't but like five trailers in there. But where the trailer park set behind the actual trailer park down like a little bitty hill was nothing but forest and a big old creek bed. Well, across from the trailer park, across the road was nothing. nothing but forest at which went right into that creek bed too. But you were surrounded by woods the whole time. It was one drive to go in, one drive to go out.

Okay. I've never forget it. My grandmother used to live with us in at that time when she was living. And like I said, I was between probably 10, 11 years old. I never forget it. It was between, I don't know, I'm going to say probably between 2 and 4 o'clock in the morning. And at that trailer park, the very end of the trailers, we was like the second trailer down. There was an old street light out there.

give off some light but not a lot you know i never forget it uh my dad's name was robert my mom i mean i'm sorry my grandmother i was laying in the bed and i can still hear it to this day like it was just a record of playing she goes robert robert and my dad you know he woke up and he said what what you want and she said there's a man staring at me in the window and he said what she said robert there's a man looking at me through my bedroom window Okay, now you got to understand. The trailer that we were in, her bedroom window, the backside of her window, was about seven and a half to eight feet in the air. It was way up there.

Okay. And I never forget it. I heard my dad get up and he grabbed, I think he had like an old 22. He grabbed that 22 and he got me up. He said, and we went out the front door, went around the trailer. Like I said, the street light, you just had just a little bit of light, not a lot. Okay, we went around the trailer to the front side of the. trailer and we didn't see anything and my dad's harring at her through the window and he said are you

sure you saw something she said robert she said i heard it and i saw it well about that time my dad i heard my dad go hey who is that and at the very end i mean i kid you not it gives me chills to talk about this at the very end of our trailer which if you hit the end of our trailer and you walk about five feet it goes straight down in the hill and right off into the woods he said Who is that? Hey, what the hell are you doing out here? And I try out and look and I remember seeing, and like I said, I can vaguely remember seeing what I thought because it's so dark. But what I saw with my father was there was a tall black figure standing at the end of the trailer.

And it was just standing there. And I mean, you know, at that time, I wasn't very tall. Right now, I'm six foot. But I remember it was very, very tall. And you could see the black silhouette of it. And I mean, it was black as midnight. But you could see the silhouette. of it because of the street light that we had out there.

And it was tall and it had long arms. I remember that. But it was, it wasn't real bulky look and it was kind of slender. And my dad stood there and he yelled at it a couple times and he said, you better get the hell out of here. And the thing just stood there like he didn't have a care of in the world. Well, about that time, my dad took the 22 and he fired it straight up in the air.

I remember that. And when he did, I mean, the thing didn't even run. It just like turned and it went down the hill. And I told my dad, I said, you're going to go look at it. And he said, no, he's. He said, I don't go look at it. He said, oh, the hell that was.

He said, but that was a tall man, whatever it was. So, well, the next day, we went out there and looked, and we didn't find no tracks, nothing like that. I'm not going to lie until you say we did, because we didn't. But my dad went out there, and he was looking at me. I never forget it. He was looking at the trailer, and he said, I don't know what that was. He said, but that S-O-B was tall. He said, that's all I'm going to say right now.

He said, that was the tallest damn man ever seen my life. He said, but, and I never forget it, he looked at me, he said, but did it look like he was wearing clothes? and I said no, because I mean, this thing was pitch black, dude. I mean, even with the street light, you could have seen it if I had like a t-shirt or anything of jeans or whatever. It looked just like a black silhouette with long arms. Well, we went back inside and my dad was talking to my grandma and he said, how did you know this thing was looking at you through the window? And she said, well, she kept her window open because they rolled open and she kept it open all the time.

She said, well, she said, I was laying in the bed and she said, I thought it was myself, I was hearing myself breathe real loud. She said, because I woke up and I was hearing something going like, like that. And she said, I thought it was me. So she said, I woke up and she said, I shook it off and laid back down. She said, well, a few minutes later, I heard it again. And she said, then I knew it wasn't me. And she said, I turned around and I raised up. And she said, from the light that was coming through the window, that streetlight on her window,

she said, all I could see is what looked like a pair of hands and a pair of big old eyeballs looking at me. And see, over the years, I haven't really. thought about that too much, but over the years I've heard of people like, you know, I don't watch that show called Not Finding Bigfoot very much, but every once in a while I watch it, I get bored. But I've heard people talking about how they've had experiences where it looked into weird under the trailer.

And I've talked to three people in my area that I use where they've had the same thing. I spoke to some old woman down there about four years ago. She said, yeah, she said, I saw this thing. And it had his hands cuffed and it was looking at me through the window. Well, after I've heard about that, I got to thinking about that incident with my dad. And I was like, oh, my God.

Could that have actually been what we were looking at? Yeah, it's interesting you say that. I just had a witness on, oh, it was childhood encounters. There was a couple weeks ago. And he was talking about seeing this thing in the window. And, you know, I grew up dirt poor, too, so I know what, you know, those trailers, those windows are high up. It's not like, you know, me being six foot now, I'd probably come to about the bottom of one of those windows.

And they had seen it. It was looking in the window and it was just watching them. and they all screamed and everything like that. And they actually had these cinder blocks that they used to, he set as steps to walk, you know, step up into the trailer. And it actually had grabbed one of those cinder blocks and threw it and broke out the back window. Because all the kids started screaming and, but it is behavior. You hear a lot.

You hear of these things walking up around people's homes. What's the most common thing? Slapping a home or it's standing in the window watching you, which is a little, disturbing. Did your grandmother, did you get the impression she thought it was a person? Well, you know, that's, it's when I remember talking to her, because like I said, we talked to her in the next day, me and my dad, and she didn't, you know, at that time, you know, she didn't really know what it was, but she swears them down, she thought it was a man, but my dad kept telling her, and he said, well, he said, if that was a man, he said,

that is so baby had to be at least eight foot tall. He said, because, I mean, where the window was at, if I took a five-gallon bucket and stood out there on it, I could probably put my hands up and whipped up with my window, you know, and my eyes at the window at that time. Yeah. So he said, well, he said, if that was a man, he said, that was the tallest damn man we'd ever seen. And she said, well, she said, all I know is I saw, it looked like a pair of hands and she said, but I saw them eyeballs real good, she said, for big old eyeballs. But, you know, she wanted to say, yeah, it was a man.

But the more I think about it, if it was a man, you know, it was somebody out there between two and four and a clock in the morning, no clothes on, jet black, and why would he run back golf into the forest. Yeah, it makes no sense. It always cracks me up. I always talk about it on the show, Lee, the lady down in Texas. And she talks about these three black guys that constantly harass her. And she won't hear anything about Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

The moment I mentioned that, the conversation is pretty much over. But it's just three black guys down there. Eight months out of the year, they just torment this woman. Look in her windows, bang on the house. And she's a tough old woman. that I'd want to cross her. She'll go out with a shotgun and start taking shots. She doesn't mess around.

But they come up and they just torment this old woman. And it makes you wonder, I mean, as you've researched this and investigated this topic, why do you think that is? Why do you think that they come up and they slap people's homes? And why do you think they come up and they, obviously, it's curiosity looking through a window. But some of that stuff tends to be aggressive behavior. And why is it, what's a fascination with that, do you think, on their end? Well, excuse me.

You know, truthfully, I'm, I really don't know, but it kind of makes me wonder, you know, because everybody talks about maybe being primate, you know, because you have you ever been to the zoo and you'll see them, and you'll see one of the gorillas or one of the monkeys? And all of a sudden, he'll just walk up to the glass and he'll just smack the hell out of the glass from the reason. Right. That's like, yeah, I mean, it's like, to me, it's what it is. It's like they're curious, but when they get close to it, instead of wanting to, stand there. I'm thinking maybe it's kind of like they do with, I've heard encounters where they'll

walk up to a tent and they'll smack the tent and then take off. Same way with the trailer. You know, they walk up and they smack it. To me, it's just they're trying to find out if there's actually maybe if there's somebody in there or if there's something in there or it's just, you know, they're just, hey, I'm just going to walk up and smack it for no reason. I don't know. Just like the guerrillas, like I said, we was at the zoo last year. I kid you not, man. We were standing there and this gorilla. I'm not, he got up. He'd been sitting there for a while.

He got up and he walked over casually like he had nothing else to do. He walked over to the glass and he hit the glass with his fist like three times and just took off running for no reason. Yeah. I mean, just have the blue. Yeah, they seem to have very, even apes, they seem to have very short tempers. I've seen that before. Oh, yeah. And I don't know what it is.

I got like this weird thing with primates. I don't like to watch primates. I don't like it. That's the one exhibit I don't like at the zoo is the primates. But they're fascinating to watch, you know, their behaviors. And you see some of that stuff sometimes with, I remember I had a witness on one time. And he actually saw the Sasquatch throw a rock at him. And I'd asked him, and I don't know why I'd bothered even asking him how it threw a rock,

because it seems like a dumb question, right? And but the answer was fascinating. He said, do you know, Wes? He goes, if you ever go to the zoo and you watch these apes, they will pick up rocks and they will throw them at you. They'll throw them at each other. And he goes, you know, it's interesting is when you watch them throw a rock, they don't throw a rock like we throw a rock. They'll actually pick it up and throw kind of side-armed. And he goes, they actually have pretty good aim.

He goes, a lot of times you wouldn't think having a side-arm pitch, you'd have good aim. But they have good aim. But anyway, the witness I was talking to, he said, yeah, that's exactly what it did. It wasn't overhanded. It wasn't underhanded. It was a side-arm throw like. what you'd see with a gorilla. And that's why I love talking to witnesses, because you get so much information from them.

Tell us about the time you saw them on Fleer. You know, Fleer is, I got to tell you a story real quick. I was using kind of a crappy older Fleer one time, and I was scanning an area. And in this Fleer, things would appear closer than what they were. And I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. I didn't know that at the time. I don't know if it's all fleers or if it was just a crappy one I was using.

but I'm using this fleer and I'm scanning this area. Now I have a pit bull, which is a pretty big dog. He's a big baby is what he has, but he's by no means threatening. But he's a very big imposing dog when he see him. And I remember I was scanning the fleer and I actually caught a mountain lion. And I know, Lee, you're more on the east coast, but out here on the west coast, the mountain lions are huge. The cougars are huge. And I about fell back over because that stupid Fleer made it appear that this cougar was way closer than what it was.

It was actually crossing the trail and I was using the Fleer. But I don't know why I went off on the tangent. But anyway, I almost fell over because I was like, oh, my God, you know, I was like, I can't believe that. I was that close to that cougar. And he didn't seem to really mind that I was there. But when you're using the flare, you know, there's this thing when you're looking with a naked eye or. when you're looking through night vision. I think sometimes our brains,

even though if we've seen them before, there's this moment where you're like, am I eyes playing tricks on me? Or am I imagining this? But with a flare, it's hard to do that because it sticks out, no matter what color you have, whether it's white or green.

It just sticks out. So there's that moment to where you can't really go, well, I'm not really seeing that because you're seeing a heat image. But if you would, tell us about the time you saw him on the night vision, the Fleur. Well, there's actually been two times. The first time was being, I'm thinking, probably maybe four, four and a half years ago. We was in my truck, and we parked in an area, and I had the parabolic viage that I used.

I had it actually stuck on top of the truck, and I was sitting in the truck listening. And my wife sitting there reading the book, and this was the main area. We just got bored, and I said, hell, I'm going to get out and it's park at one night. So we pulled up in there, and I'm sitting there apart. And I'm sitting there listening to the dish. And I actually, I had just gotten the flare of like the Christmas before. So I was kind of, you know, getting used to it. I was, you know, I couldn't wait to use it.

So I wasn't going to go down there. And we were down there. And like I said, I'm sitting there listening to the dish, and I start hearing sounds coming out of the forest. You know, you're going to hear sounds coming out of forest. I don't care who you are. You're going to hear something. So I'm sitting there, and I'm starting to listen for those obvious sounds,

like stick breaks or something. walking, not just, you know, limbs, this, that, and the other. So I'm sitting there, and I start hearing branches just like, just start snapping. I'm like, oh, okay, we got company. So I told my wife, I said, hold this thing, someone looks through the flare. So I'm looking through the flare. I'm looking, look, and looking at I don't see anything.

I'm like, okay. And at that time, you know, a lot of people don't realize that once you get done looking through a flare for about five minutes, you're blind in one eye. That's true. You are literally blind, and you'll go, Steve, wonder, real quick. And so I started listening again. I didn't hear anything. About 20 minutes went by it, and I started hearing it again.

I said, okay, so I just got out of the truck, and I just got in the back of a truck, and I just sat down, and I must go back here. So I'd go from eyeball to eyeball at my eyes rest. And I had been out there maybe close to an hour doing that. All right. Well, about that time, I'm looking on the right-hand side of me, and down off into a ridge, like going off into a valley, I had it in the color white, because it goes white, black, and red. So I had it in white.

I see something, and it's at a good distance too. I mean, it ain't close. It's a, on the right hand side of this big tree, I see something just kind of like, let's move just a little bit, like a white signature. And I'm like, did I just see that? So I'm looking at it again, and I'm playing, well, maybe six is I moved a little bit. Well, I sit there looking at a few more minutes and I switch eyes. And all of a sudden I see it come out again.

But this time it comes out just a little bit further. I'm like, okay, there's something there. And I'm thinking, that thing's pretty good ways off the ground, too. So I know it ain't no possum. And ain't no raccoon hanging on the side of a tree. It ain't no owl. And I'm looking. Well, the next thing I know, it goes behind it.

And next thing I know it comes out the other side. And I'm like, oh, okay. I got me a thinker. So I'm sitting there watching it. And I watch this thing off and on for about 45 minutes. It would go from one side of the tree to the other. That's all it would do. And then all of a sudden, when it went to the right hand side of the tree,

it kind of like, you see it, like, drop down to the ground. and it looks like it barely crawls backwards going down in the valley. And I'm like, damn. You know, that's first time I've ever seen that. That was kind of cool. So I told my wife, I said, we'll go back out there the next day. You know, it was kind of like compared to where I saw it. And we went out there and looked.

And from where the tree was that to where I was looking at it, the height of it had to be at least seven and a half feet, every bit of it. Because it was nowhere on the ground. And for it to go from one side of the tree or the other, and it would come out enough to let me know that it had some size to it. But when it belly crawled backwards, going back down, it kind of looked like, I'm trying to think. It kind of looked like, it looked almost like a panda bear. Once it hit the ground, it kind of had that shape to it.

And it just like slimmered, like slimy backwards and just went down. That was the first time on the flare. The second time was, I think it was last year, I think. It was me and two other guys. It's a guy named Dwight and a guy named Bob. and we went back to the main area that I've been using for years. And there's a creek bed that runs through there. And I told them, I said, well, you know, we always hear that legend.

Oh, you know, they always follow the creek. So I said, let's just get down there in the night and we just follow the creek bed for a lot. And we'd been down there before, but we had never actually went down there and set. So we get down there about 1130 that night, and we get down to the creek bed, and we get down to creek bed about 1145. And we sit up, we put our tarp up, and ball's on the right. I'm in the middle, and Dwight's on the left-hand side of me, but Dwight's looking behind us. well Bob's got one of these big like Samsung I think it's the big phones kind of like mine but he

hooks his flare to it so he can actually look through the phone he's recording the whole time and he's sitting there looking and about about we've been after maybe 20 minutes he got good and dark on the right hand side of us we saw like a orangish red looking light just light up real quick and it went right back out and Bob said hey did you see that and I said yes and I saw it well no soon he said that, it like lit up again, but when it lit up this time, it kind of like shot to the left real quick. And Bob's like, did you see that? And I said, yeah, I saw it, Bob. And Dwight turn around. He's like, what did y'all see? And we told him, well, Bob's sitting there looking through his flare on the phone. And I'm sitting there looking through mine. And by the time Bob

hits me on the right hand, on the right shoulder, he goes, hey, Lee, he says, look at my phone. I swear, he said, just look right here. So I'm looking and like where I'm sitting, if you look to you're right, maybe just a little bit. There's a tree, and it's not maybe five feet where the creek bed's at. A good-sized tree, on the left-hand side of that tree, we start seeing something real slow leaning out, and it would come out just a little bit and go back in. Come out just a little bit and go back in. And I told Bob, I said, yeah, I do too.

Well, Bob's sit there about five minutes looking through his fault. Well, about that time, and it's kind of weird on the video when you actually see it. Bob, it was kind of cold, and he's got on this big jacket, and he starts zipping his jacket up. When he starts zipping his jacket up, his flare, his phone, the flare goes straight up in the air, and you're looking at the tree because he's doing the zip-up thing. Well, when he leans back down, I kid you not, dude, I'm now swirl my life. He's got this video. When he leans back down, that thing is leaned out far enough from that tree.

You can see the entire shape of the head, the cone-shaped head. You can see the head. You can see the right shoulder. you can see the right arm and I mean it's literally just leaned out that far and I'm hit Bob was like oh my God he's like I can't believe this and we're sitting or looking at this night and it's just like leaned out like and they got a care in the world looking at it and I don't know if it's cause he can't he doesn't know we're looking at him or what but I mean it's it's leaned out and it takes about probably 15 or 20 minutes and it starts moving back real slow and it finally goes behind the tree well a few minutes later it comes out on the other side of the

tree. Well, that goes on for about 30 or 40 minutes. And then all of a sudden, Bob's like, hey, man, we got another one. So you got this one on the right hand side. And about probably 20 to 25 feet from that tree, there's another one. And you can see it starting to laying out. So we had two of them that night out there with us on the flare. And like I said, he's got this on video. Well, what was so funny about it is Dwight, the guy that was down there with us, he had to leave because he had to go back to work next morning. So he starts hiking out. And he's, And Bob gave me a radio and he said, let us know you got back to the truck, okay. Well, he'd been gone maybe 10 minutes from us.

And he radios, he says, hey, man, he said, are y'all still down there? And Bob said, yeah, we're down here. Why? And he said, well, dude, he said, there's something up there with me. He said, because I just heard a wolf. And he said that he could literally hurt a wolf and it sounded like something followed him out of there. Does that ever worry you, though, you know, being in situations like that? Because, you know, Sasquatch really is unknown.

and, you know, I've talked to so many witnesses, their behaviors, you're not going to, there's not a simple answer for the behavior you're going to get. Sometimes it's tree peaking, sometimes they come out, they're cool. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes they're very aggressive, very territorial. Does that worry at all going out there and having them come in and seemingly? Because, you know, you and I both know Lee, that's not normal animal behavior. That's just not. Oh, no, no, no.

Bears don't come in and do that. Cougars won't come in and do that. If you got a cougar or a bear that's coming in and it's not leaving, you're going to have some problems. But does that worry, were you at all being in a situation like that? Truthfully, it doesn't really bother me because I've never been in a situation where I felt threatened or to the point where it's like, you know, you need to get up and leave and leave now. I've never had that.

I mean, I've been out there where, you know, you kind of feel uneasy, you know, like something just don't feel right, but I've never had the threat or I've had them, I've never had anything like physically push me out of an area or start throwing stuff at me or start screaming and yell at me. I've never had that. So I guess I've been kind of lucky because I've always, you know, this area that I'm in, like I said, I've got four different areas now. I've heard on different areas, there's an aggressive one in one area. They like throwing rocks in this area. One guy says he got chased at this one area, but I've never had that. And I'm not going to lie to you. I look forward to it. I'm just, when it comes to Bigfoot, I'm just a thrill junkie. I just

want it to happen. But like this new area, like this new area that we're going into, it's an old logging road. I was told by, I'm not going to say who it was, but it's down in my area because they didn't want me getting her name because they're kind of affiliated with the area. They told me about a hunter who had an experience down there about two years ago. He actually had a sighty. So I've been looking into it. And that's where I've been staying at for a while. I haven't been in my main area now, except for a couple nights ago and we was up on the ridge doing the call blasts because I just wanted to go somewhere else. But this new area that I've been into, I mean, it's really, really active. I mean, very active.

And we went out there, like I said, we're back there now about two years in this area. And a few weeks ago, like I said, it takes exactly once you get the one road to get out to the logging area, it takes exactly one hour and 20 minutes just to get off that road. It's a good walk. then once you get off that road, you get on a dirt road, which goes out to the logging area, that's a good another three-quarters of a mile. So it's a good ways back in there. Okay, then once you get in there, it's just where they've logged this area, and you can just, there's different trails, but I mean, you can walk for days out there.

Well, we was out there a few weeks ago, and we just happened to get lucky so I could find a 13-inch track, and I was actually able to cast it. The only track that I found in 10 years that big that I was actually able to cast, and I'm very proud of it. but anyway, we was out there and we had got just on that dirt road from walking like an hour and 20 minutes. And on the right-hand side of us, there's a steep drop-off. And like I said, you know now everything's heavily folded, so it's hard to see anything. There's a deep drop-off, and we didn't even know there was a creek bed down in there because it's a real small creek bed.

I mean, because it's kind of like, it's got just a little bit of water, but not enough that you can hear the flow of it. and like I said, it's real steep, and it's grown up, and just to walk by and look at, you'd never see the creek bed, because you can't even hear it. We were going down through there, and all of a sudden, we see two big old white-tailed deer kind of running up out of that valley. And it comes running up on the right-hand side, and it takes off. I looked at my wife, and I said, hey, I said, the damn dares had to come out of there. I said, I would never notice it down there. And she said, yeah, I know. So we go to walking, and we go all the way down there, and we do what we're going to do.

And actually, what I'm done, I went after I set my deer's a recorder open, and I was looking for stuff. Well, as we come back, we were coming back, that same area, here comes another deer up out of that area. And I told my wife, I said, there's something down in there for that many deer will be down in there. I just went for the creek bed down there. So I get down in there, and I mean, it's a steep drop-off, so I like to broke my neck trying to get down in there. I get down in there, and I'm looking, and I told my wife, I said, yeah, there's a creek bed down here, and it's not very big. I mean, it's not very wide at all. So I'm looking, and, man, there's deer tracks everywhere down there.

So I know there's plenty of deer done it. Well, I got to look, and I went up her and helped her, and she got down there with me, and we're walking it down to creek bed looking. And all of a sudden, on the back side of the creek bed, which would be, if I'm looking at it, which would be the right hand side of it, I saw it like toe prints. And I'm like, you got to be kidding me. That's tow prints. So I told my wife, and we are looking at it.

And it looked only at first, like three toes. And I said, well, that's toe prints. And close to that were deer tracks. So I told my wife, I said, I'm going to walk on down the creek bed a little ways. Well, I went on down to creek bed and there was an old little path that actually crosses the creek bed. And like I said, I didn't know this until we actually went down in there. It crosses the creek bed and goes on the other side. So I went on the other side and I'm looking, looking, and on the backside of the creek bed,

I found what looked like a half of a foot where it looked like it had actually come up out of the creek bed. It hit the ground and went on. Well, about probably six feet from that, I find another footprint. but it's kind of like mashing the ground, but you can see the imprint up. And I'm like, okay, let's see, there's toes, there's a half a foot. Here's the rest of it. Okay, well, I walk on a little waist, and all together, there was between five to six tracks. Well, the fifth track, there was like a, it's not, like, it wasn't like a real big mud puddle,

but it was just enough mud that when it hit it, it left the imprint. And you could see where it went from one foot to next, and it basically went up the same hill to where them deals were going. well I told my wife I said there's a track I took a picture of it I said and we're going to mark this area I'd have my cash mature with me and nothing with me I said I've got to come back I went back two days later and I'm thinking oh god please let this trap be back there so I went back and I found it again and I cast it and the track is 13 inches from toe to heel and it's seven inches wide and I'll send you a picture of this track and what's weird about it you got the big toe and the next toe is not right on the like it's not right up against the big toes, but the next toe is kind of like separated, almost touching the fourth toe in the pinkies out. So these toes are definitely not together, and it's kind of weird because the two are touching each other.

Yeah, I'd like to see it. I know I have another one. I'll have to send you. That sounds very similar to that. I wanted to ask you, you've been looking into this, you said, for 10 years, Lee? Yeah, let's see. I started back in early 2009, so yes, going on 10 years. 10 years or so.

Has there ever been anything strange happened to you on the woods that you can? can't explain whether it's Bigfoot related or not. Well, yeah, we've had some strange lights. Now, that's another thing that I don't talk about too much because, you know, people talk about, you know, they believe you, when they find out that you're looking for Bigfoot, they kind of look at you like, oh, okay. But then when you started talking about other stuff, they're like, okay, well, he's crazy or hell.

Yeah. So, but no, we've had, now, I've had this probably happen maybe five or six times in different areas down there. This one time, it was me and Sam. Sam I am just before he stopped going with me. It was him, and there was like six or seven other guys with us, and we were in an area, and we were up on top of this hill, and our campsite was down in the valley up on the right-hand side. Well, we're standing up on top of the hill, and all of a sudden, I mean, like I said, every one of us saw this, every one of us. On the right-hand side of us,

it looked like somebody lit up a lantern in the forest, and this was during the winter, so there was no folds on the trees, so we could see clear. It looked like a left, and it looked like a lantern, lantern live up. And all of a sudden it was going back and forth, back and forth, and it started coming down through the woods. And we're standing there watching it, and it comes all way down through the wood line, and it gets almost to where the road is that we're on, and it just disappears. And we're all just standing there like, okay, and everybody's like, we all saw this, right? Yeah, okay, we're in agreement. We all saw this. Well, about three minutes later, it lights up again, and it lights up in the exact same area. And I mean, it looks like a big ball of light, but it

looks like somebody holding a ladder and swinging it back and forth. And it comes down that same area and it gets to right where it stopped again. But here's the weird part. When it gets to that part the second time, dude, I swear on my life. I'm lying and dine. All of us witness this, the ground. It looked like somebody had a big spotlight buried under the dirt. It lit up like a round circle. I kid you not. It lit up like a round circle and it looked like not a light, not like a bright beam of but you could see like a light image coming up from the ground and it went straight up about 30 or 40 feet and it was gone just like that that's only happened one time and that's the only time I've ever seen that that was the first time we were saw anything down there the second time we saw something

we was out in the woods and we was doing our bigfoot thing and we was out there just sitting around talking and on the right hand side of us it was me and my wife we're sitting there and we saw a blue light, a white light, and then kind of like an, um, it wasn't like red. It was kind of an orangeist looking. And they were spaced apart from each other. And it just like appeared. And my wife's like, hey, do you see that? And I got looking at first because I couldn't see it. And I was looking, look and I finally saw it. And it was just sitting there. And I mean, the stars were out that night, but it was blue, blue, it was blue, white, and it kind of orange, looking red. And like I said, they're spaced out. Well, it's sitting there. But all of a sudden, and man, I, I,

This is the only time I've ever seen this too. The blue part of the light, it looked like it went down like it was bouncing on a string. I kid you not. It went down like it was bouncing, and then it went straight back up. But when it went back up, it went above the white one, and then it stopped. Then the white one went up in the air, and the orangeest red one looked like it went down, and it was bouncing like somebody had it on like a ball bouncing on a string. It was bouncing up and down.

I kid you not. It went back up in the air, and then they were sitting kind of in an in an an arm, angle like a slant. It sits there and then they come back down. I mean, all three them come back down in the same line and it goes to the right. It goes to the left. Like I said, there was no folds on the tree. We see this thing clear as a bell. It goes from one side to the next and then it goes back to the right and it just fades out and it's gone. I've only seen that one time. But it's nothing to be in certain areas down there and all of a sudden you'll see like a ball of light just light up in the forest. I mean, I mean, it

It looked like the side of a baseball. It'll light up. And when it's moving, it will actually leave like that little entrail behind it, kind of like a comet does. It will leave that behind it, and it just vanishes. Now, we've seen that probably six, seven times in the last 10 years. Yeah, it's interesting. You mentioned it being like a lantern.

That's kind of what I, that's kind of what Woody and I saw. And I filmed it, and that's a great way to describe it, like a lantern. Lights up just, you know, that real ambient light, not like a flashlight shining at you, but more of an ambient light. What do you think? Yep. What do you think that those things are? Well, I mean, I've heard, I've had some people ask me about that.

They said, do you think it's like a UFO, whatever? I don't really think it's like a UFO because it was nothing huge or anything like that. But down in that area that I use in every one of the areas, I mean, they say there's like old Indian burial grounds down there. There's a lot of graves down there. I mean, hell, we was walking back a couple years ago, and we was way back in every day. And all of a sudden, we come up on one grave. And I mean, just one grave. And it was the grave of a little girl that died like it back in the 1800s.

And it's sitting in the middle of the forest nowhere, nowhere, just out of the blue, that little grave. And we're like, okay. And we just keep walking. But, I mean, there's been a lot of paranormal activity down there in the last, I don't know, actually for a good while now. There's always ghost groups going down in there and looking for stuff. And I know a couple guys who do ghost in it. And they're always telling me about six.

being strange orbs or hearing sounds come out of the forest. Now, we'll tell you this, though, and I actually have this on audio somewhere at the house. It's been about probably six years ago, me and another guy named Ken was down there, and we was in the second area that I used. And we're down there, and we're about probably a mile and a half from the main campsite. We're off on the hill off a ridge. And we're sitting there, and I kid you not, about 2 o'clock in the morning, we're sitting around talking,

and it sounded like somebody was beating a drum, like an Indian drum. I mean, I've got this on audio. It sounded like the sound of an Indian drum being beat, but it was real, real faint. And it sounded like if you took four or five Indians, and they started doing that little chant, I mean, I'm not lying, dude,

this kind of scared us that night. That's probably about the most time I've ever been scared of that night, because it happened three or four times in that night. And Ken said, dude, he said, I don't know. He said, Ken don't deal with ghosts very much. He likes the big foot, but he don't want to deal with the ghost. He said, man, this is kind of freaking me out.

And I didn't think that I called it on audio because I had my audio tied up in a tree. And I went back and listened to it. But, I mean, you can literally hear the sound if it sounds like a drum, B&B. But like I said, it's real faint. But you can hear what sounds like Indians chanting. And it happens three or four times within an hour period. Yeah, that's disturbing, isn't it? Yeah, because like I said, there's Indian burial grounds buried out there.

I have never found one. I would love to find one. but I've never found one, but it's nothing, man, to be walking in the forest or the woods down there. And you'll come across a huge rock pile like something's been buried, or you'll come across like an old grave. And I mean, I'm talking in the middle of nowhere, just a grave. And there is, I appreciate you talking about it because a lot of the Bigfoot researchers, they won't talk about anything strange they've seen publicly. But privately, if you ask them, a lot of times they'll tell you, yeah, I've seen the lights.

I think most researchers or investigators I've talked to. and I've asked them, you know, privately about the lights. They'll say, oh, yeah, I've seen it. I've seen those orbs flying around. I don't know what they are. We've run into them. But there is some paranormal stuff. I know down in Texas, there's an area, the guys were going to take me to.

It's an old ghost town. And Sasquatch has seen a lot in that area. And it was, I don't know what it is. I guess it's a ghost hunter. They have a, what is it called, a EVP where you record. Yeah. And they had asked the spirits if Sasquatch was in the area. if there's any big hairy giants running around.

And the EVP came back and said, yes, they're very, what did he say? They're very destructive. And I thought that was kind of odd. Yeah, these guys aren't even Bigfoot guys. They're ghost hunters. But they'd asked a question because the place is notorious for Sasquatch sightings. But I guess at night in that area, they were telling me, sometimes you can hear what sounds like a saw going off, like a saw actually running. and then you hear people screaming and you hear people laughing.

And it just sounds, I don't know if people were tortured back there back in the day or what's going on there. But odd stuff. So you're right. There's other things you can run into. As you've been researching this for so many years, what have you learned? What are some of the things that you've learned from looking into this? Well, I mean, I've learned quite a bit. One thing I've learned is like you don't really have to go look at.

for once you're getting a good area, you ain't really got to go out there and start searching and searching and do a lot of call blasting and stuff like that at night. If you get in a good area where it's a real activity, with a lot of activity, and they get used to you being out there, man, it's just like clockwork. You go out there, you sit up, build you a fire, don't even build you a fire, and just sit back and wait, and dude, I swear on my life, they will come up like clockwork, just like clockwork. When I first started doing this, you know, I heard people the way they do it.

They say, oh, you know, we walk out there and we'll do this and we'll do that and we'll leave food. Now, I ain't a lie to you. When I first started doing this, I would leave a jar of peanut butter, peanut butter get gone. I ain't a lie to you. I quit doing that for a while now. Every once in a while, I'll leave something, but I don't do the gift and thing too much. And then after the years went by in certain areas that I've gone into, I would go back and I know this may sound stupid because I've been asked this before. They say, well, do you ever talk to them?

And I'm not going to sit here and lie and say that when I'm out there, especially there's anybody around. I'm just not going to start talking to the forest because, like that, people look at you like crazy. But a lot of times what I'll do at night, if we're out there, is I don't talk real loud, but I'll just start letting them kind of know that I'm there. You know, it's kind of like the trust thing. You know, after you've been in there for so long, you just kind of talk to them and let

them know you don't mean no harm, this, that and the other. And I've come to learn over the years that actually kind of works pretty good because, I mean, there's one area like this area we're going into now. I've been in there for almost two years now. that we can go out there, and I kid you not, man. It don't matter for it's summertime, wintertime, whenever. I can go out to one section of that road, walk off that road, and sit up. And we'll be out there maybe two hours.

And it's just like clockwork, man. You can start hearing them come in. And I mean, they're a dead giveaway when they come in, too, if they don't want to be quiet. Because you'll start hearing, like, branches breaking. And I ain't talking little branches. And I'm talking snapping off sounds real loud. And that would go on for like a few seconds. and then it stops.

And then that one section will be out there. And all of a sudden, and this is another thing, it's kind of weird to me too. You'll start hearing what sounds like somebody's got two drumsticks

and they start tapping them together. They'll tap them two or three times and they'll stop. They'll tap them twice and they'll stop. And that'll go on for a few minutes and then it just stopped. And then over on the left-hand side of us or behind us,

we'll start hearing what sounds like a whistle, like a whistle. and then you'll start hearing that tapping again. And then it'll just stop. And they'll do certain things off and on all night long. And I told my wife, I said, I about got this pegged to what times they're coming in and what time they're going out. Because I've actually got it on audio, a lot of this stuff on audio. Because like I said, I'll go back to that same area.

And I'll leave something for them. I'll say, okay, hey, this is for y'all. You know, you have it. And I will not take it. I will not go back and get it. I don't care if it sits out there for a month. I will not take it back. I'll leave it out there and I'll leave the digital recorder.

and man, it's just like clockwork between 1130 and 1215, you can hear them coming in, and they will stay out there all night long. I've got the sound of like mumbling. It sounds like an old man going like, like an old man doing that. And that had gone for a few times. But it had come in between 1130 and 1215. And then at the dawn of morning between 5 and 545,

you can hear them leaving out. And I'm telling you, man, it's just like clockwork in at one area. They come in and go out about the same time every time we go out there. I don't care if I'm out there or I've got the digital recorder. That's what they do. And I've come to learn that over the years that, you know, I ain't got to go searching. I ain't got to do this. I mean, I still go searching for tree structures and footprints and looking for things.

But once I get into an area where I'm actually comfortable with, all of them come to me. And a lot of people say, oh, that don't work. Yes, it will, too. trust me. What is it that you think you're chasing? What do you think Sasquatch is? You know, that's a good one there because I have been asked that many, many times. And I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell them.

I don't have a clue. I really don't. Because I've thought about, okay, when I first started doing this, I was thinking, okay, maybe it's like an eight. It's primate. But then I see that some of the things that primates do that this thing is not doing. And then I got to thinking, okay, maybe it's more like the Neanderthal. or maybe it's, I call it like a mountain troll.

That's exactly what I call it. Because it does certain things that you would expect an animal like a gorilla or a primate to do. But then it'll turn around and it'll do things to what a human will do. And it kind of thinks like a human. So I'm kind of torn between there. Me personally, I think it's between, it's either, I don't, I really don't have to explain it. I really don't because I'm really talking about that one. I'm thinking it's primate, Neanderthal, and maybe something else.

I mean, it's between that line right there. But a lot of people don't understand when I say that it's more human than anything. It really is because this thing sinks like a human. This thing is smart. I mean, a lot of people say, oh, no, they're dumb. No, these things are not dumb. These things are smart as hell. And they have learned and they have learned and adapted over all these years.

and I actually think, and I've been watched on that a while back, and I think that they actually sit back and they've watched humans over the years how to do things, the way they do things, the things they will, like build, the things they will use to build stuff. And I don't know, man, I think these things have learned over the years. And that's why I said, I'm telling you, I really believe these things are more human than anything. Why do you think they're so hard to get on camera? Well, I don't know if they can hear them or they can sense it.

Because, you know, some animals can hear. It gets off a little frequency. And you know what's weird about that? I tested that about four years ago. I had an old game cam, and I sat up in a tree, right? Well, I took my digital recorder, and I said, I'm going to just see what this happens. And I set the digital recorder on top that game cam. I left it overnight.

And this is the only time, and I've tried it in different areas just to see if it would actually work. And that digital recorder picked up like a humming frequency. And I kid you not, man. it was like, kind of like if you go outside and you take a parabolic dish and you get underneath a power line with it, it's going to go, it's going to get off hump. That digital recorder was picking off the humming coming out of that game camp. And I was thinking, well, if I'm hearing that with a digital recorder, then possibly these things can actually be hearing that or sensing it, giving it off some kind of like little frequency

or kind of like a little wave or something. It could be that, or it could be, like I said, over all these years, you know, these things are constantly watching people. They're constantly after watching people. It could be where they actually watch these people hook these things to a tree and they're thinking, you know, I mean, maybe I'm just spitballs in here, but they're thinking maybe

if I'm watching this person hook something to a tree, after so many times watching it and getting used to maybe what it is, I'm not going to walk in front of it. I'm not getting nowhere near it. But I tell you what's weird, though, is I talked to a guy about five years ago out of Georgia because

I'd had two things happened to a game cam of mine and I noticed that he had had the same thing. So I contacted him. Me and him talked about three hours on the phone. I was in an area where I had put a game cam and I had about a good 30, yards out where nothing was going to come in that I could not see it, right? I had the game cam five feet near, exactly five feet near. And I took, and I took an old peanut butter jar and I set it on a stump and there was, and dude, I mean, there was no way. Nothing came in there without me catching it. There was no way. I had seven pictures. On the sixth picture, there was a white image in front of the game cam. The next picture, the peanut butter jar was gone. And I got back

to look and I said, okay, something was going on here. And I got to looking at the picture, but on the picture itself, it's real white, but on the left-hand side of the picture, you can see what looks like hair, like fur. Well, this guy said that he was having the same problem. so he said that he was doing he put out like four or five game cameras in the area he said he gets six seven pictures or ten pictures but then there was always that one picture where it was a white image and then the next picture the bait was gone so i got thinking about that and i didn't even say anything too and i was thinking to myself well maybe these things you know because they come in groups you where there's one there's two where there's two

there's three and i know that for a fact that maybe these things they know what it is one will walk up and literally place its hand over that game can while the other one takes it. And I did not say nothing to that guy when I thought about that. And that guy come to me and talk to me on the phone. He said, man, I'm going to tell you what. He said, these things are smart. And I said, yeah, I know they are. He said, I swear do you do.

He said, I believe that they're covering up the things with their hands while the other one takes to bait. And I'm like, oh, my God, you said exactly what I was thinking. Yeah, that's definitely human smart. You know, I don't even know. That sounds even more than human smart. You know, with these things, one thing I find interesting is with your encounter with watching it through a fleer or through your night vision, it's almost like they don't realize we can't see at night because of the way it would slowly come out from behind the tree, look and slowly go back. And you heard other investigators, researchers talk about that as far as the way they move around at night, almost like they don't realize we can't see at night.

Yeah, I mean, that's like Who was? There was one guy I talked to That's about a year and a half ago I think his name was Tim, but I cannot remember He said he was wondering about that too He said because he was down, not in my area But he was down in the area that I'm close to And he has a flare too

And he said before he said he would use like a night vision But you know, the thing about night vision It gets off that red light And you can see that sucker But the same about night vision is if you cover it up Guess what? you can't see no more. But the same where the flare is, there's a little red light on the front of the flare.

But if you cover that light up, you can still see in the dark. Trust me. And I didn't know that for a while after I had my flare because I'd cover it up. I'm like, wait a minute, I can still see. Why is it? Can I see? And I guess, you know, that's the way it's built. So I take a little piece of black electrical tape and I cover up that light.

So I can be standing in the woods and you might, they might be able to see me or see I got something in my hand, but they cannot see a light whatsoever. they don't know I'm looking at them. So he was down there and he said that he wanted to try it out one night. And he said he took his night vision and his flare the same night. And he said, man, he said, I kid you not. He said, I sit in the woods for two hours with my night vision. And he said, you know, that big red light that comes off that night vision.

He said, hell, you can see that pitch dark like it ain't nothing. He said, I never saw not one thing. He said, I waited about 30 minutes. And he said, I pulled the flare out. And he done the exact same thing I did. He covered it up with the black tape. He said, I sat there in that chair for an hour and a half with that flare looking. And he said, I kid you not, man.

He said, I saw something go from one tree to the next, go to another tree. He said, then it dropped down and it belly crawled to a big bush. He said, then he could slowly see it get up. He said, so that thing did not know I was looking at it. He said, when he saw the red light on the night vision, he would not move. but with the flare covering it up, he said, man, he said, I saw him clear as a bail. He said, it's like I wasn't even there anymore.

That is really cool that he was able to see it, you know, for as long as he saw it. I know those fliers they can see through. We had set up a tent one time with garbage bags and, you know, those black garbage bags. And inside that tent, you know, you could, we'd hold the flare up and you could actually look out like the tent's not even there.

So I'm hoping someone actually gets some good, a good recording of these things and not that that'll prove it but more evidence is always good you know what I mean oh yeah now I mean a lot of things that I've gotten like I said I found tracks over the years

the best track that I found though was that one we got a few weeks ago I mean I found tracks that I could cast but there's it's really hard to tell but that one's been the best and you know I've had sightings I've called a couple of them in picks by accident just that's just clearly by accident but the audio I have gotten so much audio it's unreal but what I like

is the dead of night, you get what I call like that caveman yell, that big barrel-chested Yale from out of the freaking blue, dude. And what is, and what I like, though, is I like to be in an area that I know there's absolutely nobody in there because of that one area that I go into the logging area. There's one way in, one way out. So if you're coming in or you're out there, guess what? I'm going to see you and I'm going to hear you, especially with the flare. You can't hide from me.

So we was out there a couple weeks ago, and I had the Deer's Recorder set up. Well, we came out, and I told my wife, I said, I'm going to leave the Deer's Recorder in there for about two days. So I left it in there for about another two days. Then the second night didn't catch nothing, nothing at all. The third night, it exactly 1.15 in the morning. You hear something start squilling, like something's got a hold of it, right? Then all of a sudden, you hear three, and I'm talking three, loud, what I call the

caveman yells. I'm like, I'm talking like, I mean, that big barrel-chested yell, dude, three times it does that. Then it stops. Then all of a sudden you hear a loud, a very loud squeal, and then that squealing stops, and then you hear two more than them loud caveman yells, and you don't hear nothing else for the rest of night. Yeah, it's disturbing to hear some of that. You have to definitely keep me up to date. Lee, I appreciate you coming back on and sharing this You've run into and just giving us an update on it. It was fun talking to you again. Oh, it was good talking to, man.

I'll send you some pictures on your link. That way you can see it. Thank you again. Hey, no problem, but no thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoo me an email. My email address is west at saskwatch chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone.

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