Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:347 East Texas Encounter

Episode Date: July 31, 2017

A listener writes "I had numerous encounters while hunting in south east Texas from the late 70s up until the early 90s with two visuals. I would share the exact location with you, but not publicly. I didn't really realize what was going on at the time until the computer age came about and I started reading about others encounters and the things that they do. Anyway, I would be glad to share my encounters with you" I spoke to the witness today and he shared with me his experiences and talked about getting a really good look at one of these creatures. The witness said "This thing was peaking at me from behind a tree and I had to walk past it to get back to the hunting camp. I wasn't sure what I was looking at so I put my rifle up and looked at it through the scope. I think pointing my gun at it really upset this thing because it showed me it's teeth. I finally got up the nerve to make it back to camp and this thing paralleled me all the way back to camp."

black thing go from left to right and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say, He was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what?

He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir?

Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-uh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show planned for you tonight. I'm going to be speaking to Ronnie, who comes to us from East Texas. And Ronnie grew up in this area, actually, where he encountered Sasquatch. He never knew what it was. And since then, he's actually had a couple of sightings, so he's agreed to come on the show. And then I'll also be welcoming Ryan to the show who comes to us from Battleground, Washington. And Ryan is going to be sharing an encounter he had when he was a child. And I have Woody here in studio with me. How are you doing, Wood? Doing well, man. Doing well. It's always great to stop

by and say hi every now, then. Yeah, no, thanks so much for stopping by. I want to wish Teresa Cruz, happy birthday. She's one of the admins on the Sasquatchewatch Chronicle page, and she sent me a So happy birthday, Teresa, if you're out there and if you're listening. What's new with you, Woody? Oh, not too much. Not too much. Just trying to stay busy, trying to stay out of trouble when you know me. Yeah.

You know, not a whole lot, really. Has it been hotter this year than normal? Smoking hot right now. I hate to sound like Al Gore. Yeah, it's smoking hot. Next week's going to be even hotter. Smoking hot. Yeah, I know we're supposed to hit triple digits the next week.

I'm not looking forward to that. I'm going to find a cave to go lay down in. But I know the International Bigfoot conference, is coming up and Woody and I will be there. If you get a chance, go to the international Bigfootconference.com and get your tickets. We will be out there. I'll be destroying Woody and poker

while we're out there. So if you want to see Woody get beat in poker and beat badly, come on out. Yeah, come off. I hope you've been practicing, brother. We've been doing some practice. We played the other day. Who was the chip leger? Go ahead. Actually, I think I won that night.

Take your time. It's like football. You got to go four quarters to win the game. Right. Just because you're winning in the second quarter, it doesn't mean much. All right, everybody. West won poker last time we played. That's right.

That's right. Oh, gosh. But I'll come back to you, Woody. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Ronnie to the show. Ronnie, thanks for coming on. No problem. Appreciate you having me.

And I know you had a couple encounters down there in Texas, East Texas. If you would kind of talk a little bit about going into this area when you were younger and some of the different things you experienced prior to your sighting, if you would. When I was about six huge cypress trees, huge pine trees, I'm in there haven't been touched. It was just some beautiful wood that's down in there. But I always followed the creek because that was pre-GPS days. So I always stayed on the creek so I didn't get lost. I'd be hunting in there and I'd have things thrown at me. and hear a bunch of wrestling

that sound like something huge around me but never saw anything, you know, until later on. But that went on for, I don't know, from 77 to about, I don't know, 82, 83, somewhere in there. It never unnerved me or scared me anything

because I never saw anything. What did you think was going on at the time? I mean, did you think people were down there messing with you? No, no, I wouldn't. At that time, I wasn't really concerned with anybody else being in there messing with me because me and my dad and a buddy of mine were the ones who were the only ones in there. And I wasn't really concerned with that. I'd be sitting there and something would go flying by me. And I just thought, hey, you know, that fell out of a tree and hit something and went by me or, you know, I always blew it off as something, you know, something natural going on. I got you. many a couple of years later was your was it when you had your first sighting well the first the first sighting i had was like in the early 80s like 80s about 82 i guess it's it's hard to remember exact

dates that's been so long ago no i understand i understand well walk us into it tell us what were you hunting at the time and tell us what you're doing and maybe walk us into that first sighting well i was walking down through there along the creek and there's pen oak flats to either side of the creek but the side I was on there was a lot of pent oak flats

and you could see, you know, you could see a pretty good ways through them. I stopped at one point and looked about 50 yards through there and I could see something big and dark laying under a pine tree and it was right where the

flat, the oak flat stopped. and the pine trees started. And I could see something big, it just looked big and black laying there. And so I started walking towards it to see what it was. I thought it was a part, you know, where they had been burning out the undergrowth or something,

you know, I started walking towards it. I was moving real slow, maybe five yards, ten yards at a time, and then, you know, looking up, looking back at it. when I got within probably 30, 30 yards, it jumped up and took off. Still, I still refused at that time to, you know, I was, what, 22, 22, 23, though. I didn't want to think it was anything, but maybe a hog or something, you know. Did it get up on two legs and run off? Yes, it did.

But, you know, your mind can't comprehend that when you're, you don't want to comprehend it when you're down and there by yourself and, you know, something like that happens. You just can't, you don't want to get scared and run it out. No, I understand. And a lot of hunters go through that, where they try and brush it off and say, well, it must have been this or it must have been that. And I kind of understand why people do that. It's a way of protecting ourselves because God knows what this was that you saw. for the audience, can you kind of describe what you saw pop up and take off?

Well, actually, my first thought was, I'm looking at a gorilla that's been escaped from a zoo somewhere, but I'm in the East Texas woods and there's no zoos around here. So that kind of, you know, I put that out of my mind for the time being. And I really, after that, I just, I kept on with what I was doing. And I blew it off and just kept on, you know, hunting, going through the woods. And I walked right past, I walked over there to where it was. There was no smell. I didn't smell anything, you know, that was out of the ordinary.

And looked around the spot right there. Just a bunch of mashed down, you know, dead grass underneath the little pines that were probably been set maybe, I don't know, six or eight years. right there at that edge. Was there any features beyond it kind of looking like a gorilla? Not really. It got up and left so quick that I really didn't get a look at the face

or anything like that. I knew it left into the... You know, it jumped up and flew. I mean, it was like a blink of an eye. It was gone. The only thing I remember it was charcoal. It was great. and the other sunny I had it was gray also.

That's the only way I can describe it. It was gray. Yeah. No, it reminds me of a guy. I talked to him on the phone. And I know the area you're talking about. He's not far from where you're at. And he was walking, he was walking through the wood.

Well, it's a long story, but I know exactly what he was doing. He was cutting across. Imagine like a big U-shaped trail. and you've got to walk, you know, you know this as well as I do, and in Texas, everything wants to kill you. I think the snakes are out to get you. I think the gators are out to get you. I think even the flies and mosquitoes are out to get you in Texas. But anyway, he was cutting across, and there's no way.

In the Pacific Northwest, I would be with them 100%. I'd be like, let's just cut across here. But being that it's East Texas and there's, you know, I don't know how many poisonous snakes and everything. I would have stayed on the trail, but he was cutting across, and he walked up on this thing. And he thought it was a bear, which you guys don't really have bears in that general area. But he thought it was a bear laying down. And he got within, I don't remember how close. He got really close to it.

And he said the same thing. He said it jumped up. He said in a blink of an eye, he goes, West, this thing was laying down like you'd see a person or a gorilla or a monkey laying down. And within a blink of an eye, it had actually popped up on its feet. was looking at him, took off, and it actually turned around and screamed at him after it had actually run about 20, 30 yards, it turned around to scream at him and then kept going. And he was like, I have no idea what it was. He goes, I don't know if a monkey got loose or this was the weirdest looking gorilla I've ever seen in my life. But it was fascinating because he walked up on it,

just like you had walked up on it. He kind of describes it the same way. He's in a blink of an eye. It's on its feet and it's gone. And he's like, I don't even know if I would have had a reaction time to shoot the thing. Yeah, well, this one here did not bother to stop and stare at me or yell at me or anything. It was just like up and out. Yeah, I find it the fascinating, the psychology behind it, you know, and most people listening to this might think that was odd.

You just kept walking and you'd blow it off. But I hear that a lot from it, especially hunters. And it's not until many years later they stop and kind of think about what they'd actually run into. But tell us about your second encounter. When did this happen? The second time I had taken a buddy with me back to the same property, and the gentleman that owned the property had passed away since then. And I didn't know if, you know, I didn't know if he had sold the property or if, you know, I figured we'd probably be trespassing in there by now, you know, if somebody else on the land or whatnot, you know, but I knew it was a good place to squirrel hunting and a nice

place. And I knew that after, by this time, I knew that they were in there, okay? And so me and him went down in there and pitched camp, set up the tent and chopped some firewood and made some dinner and whatnot. We weren't even going to hunt that evening. And that night, I was laying there in the, tent and, you know, I was telling myself, you know what, I'd rather, one of these things could, all these years hunting in there, one of these things could have killed me anytime it wanted to,

and I don't think they're going to do that. And I'd rather one of those come through here than a, uh, than a huge, one of these humans around here. So that night I was laying there and I heard the footsteps come by the tent and I knew the next morning, you know, it was going to be, they were going to be watching. And so I got up, I had a six millimeter rifle. See, this whole time I've been hunting down in there, I've always squirrel hunted. I never deer hunt. You know, I don't deer hunt no more. And I had a six millimeter rifle that I threw over my shoulder. I said, I'm not going to use this. It's just for,

you know, just for in case. So the next morning, it was real, foggy and got up milling around the camp there and waiting on to get a little bit lighter. And I took off walking down the creek the same direction I always went. I came up on an area that goes across the creek and I said, you know what, I've never been over there. And I was looking over there and you could see some beautiful woods over there on the other side and I had never even been over there. So I crossed the creek and went through a thicket to get to this area.

And it was just, I mean, once I've busted out of there, and it was just some beautiful woods. I'm talking prehistoric-looking woods. Huge pine trees, huge, I mean, pine trees, you can stretching your arms out all the way. Wouldn't even get you halfway on them. Cypress trees, all kinds of huge trees over there that hadn't been logging, I don't know, probably ever. So I got in there, but that morning was really strange, and there's certain parts about it. I don't even want to bring that up, but it had, you know, it was really strange.

That morning was strange. I got down in there, and I saw a footprint. I was following a game trail, and I saw a footprint and a pile of doo-doo, a big one. And it didn't, it didn't unnerve me. It didn't scare me. I kept going. And then I got to looking, you know, I was looking at the ground this time in there instead of looking up in the trees all the time, squirrel hunting, you know.

And I got in there, I don't know, probably about a half a mile, saw the footprint and a pile of doo-doo. And then I saw a thing of smoke like hovering over the game trail about 30, 35 yards in front of me. and as I got to that smoke covering, I saw a little cypress tree, the top of it just shaking. The top of it was just wiggling back and forth. That was another thing that was a little bit strange. And where that smoke was, something smelled dead.

I'm talking about a dead smell like, you know, like a dead animal had been there for a couple of weeks. and I got off the trail a little bit to see if I could find it, you know, whatever it was, was stinking, and I couldn't find anything. There was nothing there. I got to the corner of a thicket and sat down. I sat there and right about 15 yards on the other side of the thicket where the top of that little cypress tree was shaken,

I sat there and listened to this thing, breathe for two hours. I listened to it, breathe, I listened to it, go like that, like he was tired of me sitting there waiting on him to do something. And the lung capacity was unbelievable. And I knew right then what it was. And then I didn't know it, but right on the other side of that thicket was the creek. There was a branch of the creek that ran off the main creek and ran up in there. And I sat there for a couple hours listening to him breathe. I actually sit there and ate an apple.

I ate most of it and then threw the rest of it over in there where that noise was coming from. Finally, after about two and a half hours, I got up because I was, you know, you know how it is when he's sitting in the woods sitting on the ground and feet getting numb and whatnot. I had to get up and move on. And when I got up and started stomping around in those dead leaves, they jumped into the water, the creek that was on the other side of that. thicket and come up on the other side and went about 30 or 40 yards and went whoa like that at me and picked up a stick and hit the side of a tree and I was standing there

not knowing what to do so I was looking for a stick I was going to hit the tree back at it you know so the only thing I could find was a dead dead you know dead limbs and stuff around there and I picked it up and tried to hit the tree with it and that was just useless but I stood right there in that spot for another 45 minutes, and then I looked down that the way I had came on the game trail, and I saw a head peering at me about 40 yards away behind from a huge, behind the huge pine tree. He was just sitting there peering at me from behind the pine tree, and I was staring at it. I kept doing a little movements, you know, I was staring back at him doing little movements trying to get it to move and he wouldn't move.

So I said, I'm going to ease over here to this prime tree to my left and put my gun up and look at it through the scope. It makes darn sure what I'm looking at. But when I got up there and put the gun up on the tree and looked through the scope, he showed me his teeth. And right then I thought, well, that was a bad move, you know. I did see exactly what it was then. and I got a little bit scared, so I just stood there for a long time, and he got back behind the tree, and I didn't see him for a while. So I said, I'm going to walk back the way I came.

You know, I got to go right back by him to get to where I came from. And so I started walking straight towards that tree down the trail to get back to where, you know, get back to camp. And when I got about straight in front of that tree, when I got about 10 yards, from it. I stopped and I just stood there for, I don't know, maybe five minutes or so. And then I turned my head, put my head down and took two steps to my left to head back from the way I was going. And when I did, I stopped and I looked up. He took his hand off the tree. He'd been propping himself with his hand on the tree. He took his hand off the tree, turned around and walked away from the tree. He took

away from me, and it was like two strides, it was like gone. You know, I saw his whole back, I saw it around the end, saw his legs walking away, and there was another ticket right there. He took two steps and just disappeared behind the ticket that was right there. I wanted to ask you, when you were looking through the scope and you saw this thing, what did the face look like? The face looked like a, It had its head cocked back. It had its head cocked back with its chin out. And when I looked through the scope at it, it showed me its teeth.

And all I could really make out was nostrils and teeth. And, you know, it looked just like I couldn't, it looked just like a little when you see pictures. Like a cross between an ape and a human. and it kind of, you know, the face was dark, too. It wasn't light colored. It was, the face on it was dark-skinned. It wasn't, you know, it wasn't tan or anything like that. And that's interesting, though, but the body was kind of a gray color, you said.

Yeah, yeah, the hair, the hair on it was gray. It was about seven and a half, seven to seven and a half foot tall, and it was gray. When it walked off, did it walk off like a man? I mean, did it give you the impression, or did it walk off more like an ape? No, it walked off like a human. It walked off like a human being. And the hair on its ass, though, was hanging down, you know, hanging down to where, you know, the back of the thighs were. And it was kind of flopping, you know.

And I could see, you know, like it had been sitting down in the woods or something. You know, there was particles of, you know, pine straw and stuff in it, and the hair on its hind in. I wanted to ask you, when it got in the river and it came around, did it double back and go behind you? Yes, it did. Oh, okay. Yes, it did. It followed me all the way out. It followed me all the way out to the camp.

And then also, when I was walking out, I was trying to get out of there pretty quick after that because I was a little bit unnerved. I was, you know, on a mission to get out of there at that time. And it followed me all the way out. flanked me and went across the creek and came around to my left as I was going out of there the way I had came. And it was flanking me over, you know, to my left in the woods far enough away where I couldn't see it. But I could hear it. I could sure hear it. Yeah, I bet the memories of that first encounter were coming back when you walked up on that thing and it popped up and then took off running. I would imagine all that kind of came back, you know, a memory to you when he saw this thing.

I would imagine anyway. Well, back in, I guess it was, when I first realized what was going on, it was actually before I started reading about things that they do and whatnot. And I had gone down this same creek not that far as I went that morning, and it sat down in there squirrel hunting. And I had a pack of, you know, peanut butter crackers on me. And I fed them on top of the stump. I ate a couple of them. and I let the rest of them on the stump there. The next morning I went back, this is probably 80, I don't know, 84, something like that.

I went back to that same spot the next morning, and those crackers were gone, and there were some of those little onion wildflower things, you know, the white ones that smell like onions. Yeah. Yeah, there was some of those sitting there on the stump. And that's when I started putting two and two together. So you get back to camp, did you tell anyone at camp what just happened? No, I didn't. It was just me and one buddy of mine that was there at that time.

And, you know, I've actually never told anybody much of this until here recently. You know, when you start getting old, I'm 55 years old. When you start getting old, you start not really giving too much of the damn what people think, you know? Yeah. And so you start telling people stuff. and then they look at you stoop and then you just quit, you know. Yeah, I don't know about this one, though. I mean, the area you're talking about is pretty notorious, Ronnie, for sightings.

I've been to the general region of where you're at. I'm not saying I've been to the specific area where you had this encounter. But there is a lot that goes on in East Texas. These things are seen, I would say more in East Texas than in the Pacific Northwest. I think they're seen a lot more. I think people experience them a lot more. The only difference between the Pacific Northwest and East Texas is people in the Pacific Northwest will talk about it. People in East Texas, it's very hit and miss.

It's almost like you kind of got to get to get to, and I love the people in Texas. Don't get me wrong. There's guys I consider family down there, but you almost kind of have to get to know someone, and then they kind of have to get a feel for you before they tell you what they've seen. And even then it's kind of like dragging, it's like pulling teeth to try and get them to talk. and in the Pacific Northwest people will just tell you what their encounter. They'll just tell you they ran into Sasquatch. But there's a lot that goes on down there.

What was your impression of the creature? Do you think it meant you harm or do you think it was just as interested in you as you were of it? What was your overall feeling of this second encounter? I didn't feel threatened in any way and never have the whole time I hunted this area. I never felt threatened. And, you know, I hear about, you know, East Texas, ones are supposed to be more aggressive and this kind of stuff. But I never, that never came across to me with any, any of the encounters that I had over the years down there. I never felt threatened.

I didn't feel like I was going to be attacked or anything like that. You know, it just, it seems to me they move away from you more than they'll, you know, show themselves or, you know, try to. well like I said I did have a messing with me for a lot of years before I knew what was going on you know and they they had ample opportunity to do something to me if they wanted to you know and uh that's the only thing that kept me uh that last episode down there that's the only thing that kept my mind straight getting out of there was you know hey they could have had me anytime they wanted to yeah no and i understand and i respect your opinion on that it's interesting it reminds me of um have you ever heard of mike woolie and in his encounter, I think his was in Louisiana, where he had pointed his rifle and basically he had pointed his rifle because he was trying to look through the scope because he thought it was a guy in a costume. And the minute he did that, he said this thing just went nuts. It started showing its teeth. It started growling at him. And it almost just like set this thing off, the fact that he, how dare you pull your gun and pointed at me? That's kind of the impression Mike had.

do you think it's showing its teeth and kind of get Nancy on you? Do you think it was a direct result of you pointing the rifle, even though obviously you weren't trying to shoot it? You were looking through your scope, but do you think that was a direct reaction to what you had just done? I think it was. And the fact that it didn't charge me or come out from behind the tree and get aggressive or anything,

it just showed me its teeth and then went back behind the tree. You know, that was, calming in a way, you know. It wasn't happy that I did that. I'll say that. What do you think that these things are, Ronnie? I mean, you've got a good look at them probably better than most, and you've experienced him, even though you didn't realize it was Sasquatch at the time.

You've experienced them. What do you think that these things are? What's your own personal opinion? My personal opinion on that is that they are a tribe of people. that have been here way longer than we had. That's my opinion on it. And if you go into the woods and you respect, you know,

if you're not one of those people that go in there looking, you know, shooting everything and trying to kill everything that moves and you respect their home and you go in there for what you're in there for, they're not going to bother you. I mean, they may try to run you off. I had them break trees.

I don't know if that was trying to scare me or what, you know, but they would break saplings along the trail that I used to get in and out of there while I was in there, you know, and that never really bothered me. It's interesting because, you know, when a lot, like you mentioned in your first encounter, how it reminded you of an escaped gorilla. And I'm curious, and it's a respectful question, I'm not beating you up or calling you out, but at what point do you think it's people? What is it in your mind when you look at this that you go, well, it's got to be an ancient people that have been here longer than we have? What was it that makes you think that? Well, I think it's just from things I've read since that time.

And seeing the way it walks and the way it moves and the face on it is not totally 100 percent. gorilla. It's in between. And the, uh, it, uh, it, I don't know, I just, it walks on two legs, you know, and guerrilla is going to run off on all fours, but I don't know, it just, uh, things I've read in the past and what I've seen and the experiences I've had with them, you know, they, they weren't out to hurt me. They seem to have some kind of, you know, they want to interact, I guess, in a way. No, I understand. I understand. And I thought I'd ask a question, because a lot of people feel that way. I've talked to people who've seen these things, and they'll say it looked very human-like in the face. The rest of the body was covered in hair and, you know, would categorize more in an ape or a, you know, a non-human primate like an ape or a chimp or something to that effect. But a lot of people see these faces of these things and go, it looked very human-like. And I think you're right. I think, you know, if it wanted you, it

could have had you, it could have killed you. If you've seen the size of them, I mean, it would be nothing to take you out and get rid of you. But it's fascinating. Some of the encounters, I know, when you and I were talking before we went on air, the fishing story. Do you mind telling that? Yeah, there was several times that I took a rod and reel down in there with me to fish in this creek. There was a huge bin in this creek where it got real big, and there was a lot of fish in it. There was bass and cropping, catfish and whatnot in this creek.

If I didn't feel like squirrel hunting or whatever, I'd carry me a rod and reel down there to the bend in the creek. And I'd sit down there. The levee was real steep getting down to the water level. It was real, you know, like a, I don't know, it was probably 10 or 12 feet high up behind you once you got down there. And you couldn't see over into the woods behind you because it was. It was just like almost straight up. And I'd be down in there fishing and I'd catch a little bass or something, you know, and throw them up on the bank back behind me, you know, back up in the woods, you know, past the levee.

And I would hear a bunch of rustling going on up there behind me, you know. You know, I'm looking at the water. I'd be looking in the water at the reflections and I never, you know, I never saw a reflection of anything up there. behind me in the water getting those fish but I come up out of there to get my fish and go back to camp

and the fish would be gone and I thought that was kind of strange you know something big up there was wrestling around snatching my fish but yeah these things are smart aren't they I mean

realistically you're a better meal than a fish and if it's going to take anything you would think it would come after you although I guess a fish is an easier take than trying to take you down. But when you hear about encounters, you know, around Texas, some of these more violent encounters, how do you feel about that, especially having an encounter where it could have hurt you, but it didn't? Well, just going off of my experiences with them, that's all I can go off of is I think these people either doing something to intimidate them or doing something to, you know, provoke and see more or another, you know, that's, that's what I think about it.

But, you know, I'm no expert. So that's just my opinion. No, I hear you. And I respect it. I mean, I respect your thoughts on it. And it's a thing where we just don't know enough about them. You know, I've had people on who've had very violent encounters, especially down in East Texas. And then I've had people who haven't had violent encounters. It was more or less just kind of interested in what they were doing. And the moment they noticed it, it just kind of got up and left. At what point when you're going back to the camp, did it stop? You said it had followed you out.

Was it when you got back to camp or did it back off as you were coming into camp? It backed off as I got closer to where we had the tent set up. And I don't know if it just stopped following me or if it just slowed down because I slowed down or, you know, it backed off as I got to camp, though. That's not the only time that ever happened to me down in there. I had them flanking me the whole time I was down in there over all those years. I would hear them over, I didn't know what was going on at the time, but I'd hear them following me out of there crashing through the woods,

just out of sight where you couldn't see it. And you mentioned one thing I picked up on before you talked about your encounter that second one, you said some weird things, some strange things were happening that morning. What did you mean by that? That's something I really, I haven't told anybody. And, you know, it's borderline you're going to think somebody's loony tunes. Try me. I've heard some very, trust me.

It's probably not going to shock me. I haven't been shocked yet. I'll say that. And I've heard some very odd things. And I think that when people talk about the odd things, there's a lot of sincerity about it. I don't think that people are loony tunes or crazy. Sometimes the more crazy or something is, there's an ounce of truth to it. You know what I mean?

I'll tell you what. I'll tell you a crazy one real quick. I got contacted by this guy. He was, well, it's not really Bigfoot related. I guess my ambition has started this. But he was tormented by demons. And he said, well, she ever drive down the road and he sees someone who looks like they're waving or yelling at someone and there's no one there?

He said, nine times out of ten people will drive right past that person thinking, that guy's nuts. But he goes, I'm telling you right now, probably what's going on is they're having demonic. They're having problems with demons. And he went through this long story of, you know, hearing these two demons talking in his room and they were talking about him. On different occasions, they talked about killing him.

And he had heard all this. And it's a very, very long story, but the point I'm trying to make is it may not be as crazy as you think. I've talked to a lot of people who've run into aliens. In fact, I have one, gosh, I wish I could get the lady on the show. And she has proof of some shocking stuff to look at. But I've heard a lot of crazy things, but I don't want to push you. If you don't want to go into it, Ronnie, I'll respect that.

I'll tell you about the spider webs. When I got down into that morning, you know the big yellow. We call them banana spiders down here, but they build huge webs in the trees in the woods in East Texas. In those spider webs, I was seeing twigs stuck in the spider webs in the form of some kind of hieroglyphic. Okay? and I'm going to tell you right now that unnerved the hell out of me. Because I was thinking, man, there's some kind of witch down in here or something, you know. And I almost turned back at that point.

When I started seeing that, I almost turned back. I mean, there was little twigs placed in the sidew webs made into some kind of hieroglyphic writing. It couldn't have blown them in there like that. Now, when you say hieroglyphic, what do you mean? like triangles and different shapes. Is that what you were saying? Yeah, like, kind of like, you know, like Chinese writing or something, you know? That's interesting.

I know Scott Carpenter talk about that. When I did the Nephilim Among Us, which is the name of his book, he had talked about that. And he talked about how they did it with rocks and sticks and different things. And he had seen something similar. I know when I had Rich on from Washington State, he talked about that, too, them using sticks and rocks and making what appeared to be like, you know, Egyptian writing or Samarian writing.

And both of those guys didn't know how to place it. But that's interesting. I'd imagine you would have thought there was some witchcraft going on down here. That's probably what I would have thought. Yeah, well, that's what I, that was the first thing that entered my mind. And I was like, hey, I might need to go on back, you know, but I pressed on. Yeah. And then that wasn't.

That wasn't the weirdest stuff. Do you want to go into the weird stuff? Well, there was a fog that morning, and it was like just above the treetop level. And as I was sitting down in there for that two and a half, two hours, whatever it was, listening to this thing, breathing, there was a craft of some sort huge, right above me. And every now and then I catch a flicker of light. And I couldn't see through the fog. And as the fog started clearing out, I'd catch bits and pieces of it.

I could tell it was huge. It was something I couldn't see from one end to the other of. And that was the height of the strangeness right there. Yeah, that's interesting. In the climpses you caught of it, was it a certain color? Or was there anything about it? It appeared to be moving at a very slow rate, not making any sound. whatsoever.

And every now now a light would flicker on it. And that's what caught my attention to begin with whenever it started coming through that fog. I was catching a glimpse

of that light flickering. And, you know, that, that was, that didn't bother me, you know? That didn't bother me at all,

more so as I was listening to this thing breathing and making noise is about 15, 10, 15 yards away for me. Yeah, I would imagine you're probably looking at this thing as a threat at that time. You know, the thing in the air isn't necessarily a threat. It's just weird. That's interesting.

That's really interesting, actually. Man, as a fog cleared, did you ever see it again, or was it just gone? No, I never saw it again. It was gone. Actually, that day, the fog never even cleared. It stayed foggy that whole day, and it was like right above the treetops. And there was, you know, the sun was barely making it through and it made everything in the woods look orange, you know. It's just a weird, weird day altogether. Had you ever seen anything like that before? No, I haven't. That was a first and a last, I guess. Well, I appreciate you sharing it. You know, like I said, on previous shows, whenever someone says, hey, I've seen something weird and I don't really want to go into it, the moment they do, I usually get a ton of emails from people that are like, I've seen

something very similar, you know. And I appreciate you to, you know, sharing that portion of it with me. Well, I haven't told, I haven't told anyone else about that. So, you know, like I said, I'm 55 years old and I don't really care what they think now. Yeah. Well, it's interesting you mentioned the fog. There's, I know when we were doing the renegade podcast with Woody, he had interviewed a guy here in Washington State that had seen a craft. It wasn't a big foot encounter, but it was just a craft. And he had mentioned there was a weird fog around the craft. It was shining different colors he had never seen before. And there was this weird fog that was around the craft when he saw it and ended up just leaving the area.

But this world's a lot more stranger than people realize. You know, when you work your 9 to 5 and you're in your car and you sit in traffic for two hours and, you know, you do your daily regiment. You get out there in the woods and there's a lot of weird things you can run into. It's like the dog man. No one ever talked about the dog man 20, 30 years ago. Now everyone's talking about this dog man creature. And I think when you get out there, you can run into more than just Sasquatch. And that's why I always tell people, take a gun with you, take your own self-protection with you

because you never know what you're going to run into. It's not necessarily to go out and blast Sasquatch. But what I'm saying is you just never know, you can run into a cougar that can rip you from limb to limb to too out there, stuff that's known. And so it's always important to go with protection. But I really appreciate you sharing that, Ronnie. That part's fascinating. And I know out there in East Texas, people talk about the lights, you know,

seeing these orbs flying around. And there's a lot of weird stuff that goes on there in East Texas. Yeah, I've hunted East Texas since I was a kid. And, you know, these things didn't, you know, didn't really bother me. You know, I didn't really understand what was going on until later on, you know, with the Sasquot situation. But that morning was something to something I'll never forget. And I'm really reluctant to tell anybody about that. No, well, I'm glad you shared it.

I really am. I'm really glad that you shared it. Did you give up hunting or do you still hunt to this day? Yes, I do. And right now I hunt like in mid-east Texas over around Toledo Bend Lake. I haven't really had any strange occurrences happened to me over there. Just a few things I've noticed in the woods, you know, some bent over trees and whatnot I took pictures of. That's about it.

Nothing. No sounds, no visuals, nothing like that. But I still go in the woods. I didn't let it run me out of the woods. Yeah, well, I respect that. Next time I'm down there in East Texas, we'll have to hook up down there. There's a couple areas I could take you to if you want to hear sounds. I'll have to ask the big thick of guys if it's okay because it was their area.

So just out of respect for them. I'll ask them, but I'm sure there won't be any problems with it. But I could take you to some areas to where it's a real eye-opener come around 1 o'clock in the morning. I would say 3 to 4 o'clock in the morning. it's a real eye-opener in some of those areas because these things aren't quiet. And I don't know what else. I think most people maybe they brush it off and think some apes and some monkeys got loose when they hear it. But it just blows me away some of the areas down there in East Texas.

Yeah, this area I'm talking about is right adjacent to the Big Picket area too. So back in the late 70s, early 80s, it was more so wild than it is now. Yeah, it's starting to grow up out there. It's starting to people are, I saw it when I was down there. You know, I could tell areas that were rural at one time. Now they're all people are building homes. And I think that they're squeezing these creatures into smaller and smaller areas. And I think that's what causes a lot of the aggression down there in East Texas.

They don't have the room to run around like they do in like the Pacific Northwest. That's my own personal opinion. I could be completely way off on that. But I think that's why there's a lot of aggression down there. Back in the 70s and early 80s, even then, you know, this was only two hours away from Houston. I mean, two hours northeast of Houston and you were there. And, you know, actually this place I'm talking about, when the wind was right, you could hear a high school marching band. They've been getting squeezed out for a long time if you ask me.

Yeah. Well, be safe while you're honest. there, you know, obviously, even though they haven't harmed you, doesn't necessarily that it means that they won't. You know, always be safe, always, you never know the creature you're going to run into what type of mood it's in. You know, like I had the ambulance driver breakdown in that general area. And their ambulance was attacked for no reason. I mean, I've had some horrific stories down there in East Texas. And I've had stories that, you know, from people that they saw it. They saw them and then they parted ways. There was really no

aggression. There was really, so it's kind of hit and miss, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. But I really, I really appreciate you coming on and, and sharing the encounter with us. All right. No problem. Thanks, Ronnie. Hey, man, what's up with the demon encounter? That's none of your business. Next up on the show. Welcome to Sasslosh Crunkle. No, it was a guy who called me. It's a long story. I'll tell you off the air. You know, this is a big foot show. I have a very sensitive audience. So, If we go too far outside of Bigfoot, people get upset.

But it's probably one of the most fascinating things I've ever heard. I'll tell you off the air. Sounds good. You just worked the knobs over there. I'm practicing my poker skills as we speak. You're here to look pretty. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Next, let's go to Ryan. Ryan, welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on. Thank you. I appreciate it, Wes. Yeah, no, I appreciate being here. I know your encounter took place in Battleground, Washington.

And, you know, it's probably about 20, 25 minutes from where Woody and I had our encounter. But I know the area well. And I know the time frame of when you had this encounter really was out in the country. And for people who don't know, Battleground is, if you're familiar with, like, like Portland, Oregon. It's probably what, Ryan, 20 minutes north of Portland? Yeah, 20 or 30, something around there, yeah. Yeah, right around there. It's a small little town. But if you would, I still found the encounter interesting. It's one of those encounters where it reminds me of a couple weeks

ago I had a guy on who, he is, his stepdaughter had seen these red eyes looking through the window, and she was able to snap a picture of it. It kind of reminded me a little bit of that. But if you would for the audience, maybe kind of start from the beginning. Tell us what you were doing and what you ran into. Yeah. So what was that, I want to say about fall, 1989, it was my dad and I were working on our house. We were built. You know, we'd always lived in rentals before that and stuff.

So we were pretty excited to finally be getting a house. And so we were working late on the house one night. And, you know, it's all country out here back then. I think there was only one road through battleground. And it was all, you know, stop signs and stuff like that. It's not like it is now. But, yeah, I went outside to get a pale water because we didn't have running water in the house yet.

And I was turned around, you know, I was facing the house, and I was getting the water. And I don't know if this is just something that naturally happens to people or whatnot, but just maybe like a defense mechanism or something, but the hairs on the back of my neck all of a sudden just stood up. I had that real creepy feeling, you know, like you're being watched. It just overcame my body, and I hesitantly turned around to see, you know, why I was feeling this. And when I turned around, I was astonished to see these two glowing red eyes looking right at me. And I don't know if I screamed or not.

Apparently I did because my dad came running, but I saw these eyes. They went, they were, it was like if you were crouched down, right, it was a couple feet off the ground, and it rose up to about eight feet. I watched the eyes go straight up and just stand there. And then finally my dad opened the sliding glass door. And luckily he had a nail gun with him because he was working on trim work. And he started shooting it in that direction. and that's that was it man I was so scared that I ended up not wanting to go outside

I'd go to the bathroom or anything like that and it was pretty traumatic so it I didn't want to go over to that area where I'd seen it you know I was only kid at the time and so but you know it just it was something that spooked me and I didn't know what it was exactly but after listen to some of the other, like you said, the red eye stories, I was just like, gosh, that fits exactly what I saw, you know, they were just glowing. There was no street lights or anything like that. It was false. There was cloud, you know, so they were just piercing red eyes sticking right out at me. So I don't know if, whatever it was, if it was just curious, you know, because we were the only lights in the area. It was something just checking us out or what, but it was pretty

intense. Yeah, sounds like it. And you know those glowing red eyes, when you turn around, you see it, were you able to see an outline or anything like that? I know when we had talked earlier, you had said it had stood up. Yeah, I couldn't really see a lot. I mean, I could see that there were, you know, eyes, obviously, but as far as an outline, it was so dark. Like I said, this is, we were the only lights in the area. We didn't, we didn't have backlights on. We had shop lights running. in the house. So I wasn't able to see an outline. I could see because I knew where it was, so I knew it was a couple feet off the ground, but I couldn't make out an outline by any means. It was just too dark. No, I understand. And when it stood up, how tall did it stand up?

I want to say close to eight feet tall because the area was very flat. So it was actually a house there now. So it's, if I look back to where it was, I want to say it went up. So from where it was, crouching down, it probably moved up about five feet up with its, you know, with the range of its eyes. And it, it's, it blinked. You know, I saw that. But it just, I would say overall, I'd guess about eight feet tall, you know, and this is, you know, as my being a kid, I'm sure maybe things seemed a little bit bigger. But I had never seen anything like that, you know. We've had animals and I, you know, I used to live next to a farm.

I know what, you know, cows look like, stuff like that and other animals. You know, you get that eye reflection, you know, from animals at night. If you have a flashlight or something, but it was, these were just red eyes. Yeah, and that's a disturbing part, you know, with sometimes with these encounters, what people run into, I'll ask them, do you think it was eyeshine? And, you know, I used to be a hard critic of that because I thought, There's no way. There's nothing on this planet that has glowing red eyes, that I know of that runs around on the ground. But you hear a lot of witnesses say that. They'll say, no, it wasn't eyeshine. These were glowing red eyes. And I would imagine that would terrify you, especially at that age. Did the creature vocalize or did it do anything else?

No, when it was down low, I could see it kind of moved around as it got up. So I saw the eyes. you know, kind of as if you're adjusting, you know, when you're standing upright, you're going to move a little bit side to side. But it just, once it rose up, you know, after I screamed, it just turned around and was gone. I didn't see the eyes anymore. So if there were vocalizations, I didn't get them because I was probably screaming too loud to hear anything, you know. Yeah. And that may have been what spooked away. I don't know.

Yeah. it is amazing how our brain kind of tells us we're in danger. The hair is going up on the back of your neck and turning around and seeing this thing. You know, it's, I would imagine that would terrify you. What did your dad think it was? Yeah, my dad thinks he's the one that thought it was a Sasquatch, you know, so it was because he was a little, you know, he's older. He had hurt the tails.

He grew up out here, stuff like that. So for me, I was just traumatized. I didn't know, you know, what it was. but it spooked him, and it was, you know, he's kind of, when we talked about it afterwards and stuff like that, it said that it was probably just one of those, check us out or something, you know, so maybe he said that so that I wouldn't freak out as much, you know, or maybe thinking of something else, a monster or whatnot, but because I'd heard Sasquatch stories, you know, stuff like that around campfire scouts, but never associated it with the glowing red eyes. Yeah, it's hard to say with those glowing red eyes.

Like I said, some reports, I'll get that. And then a lot of reports you don't get anything with regard to those glowing red eyes. But, you know, Battleground is one of those areas that I love to look at because I'm not old enough. I'm old enough to remember how that was out in the country in Battleground. It's not now, but I mean, back in the day it was. But if you look at Encounter reports where your encounter took place as you and I were talking the other day, My brother who passed away actually owned a home right over into that area back when I was a kid. And I remember just there was nothing there.

It was literally out in the middle of nowhere. It was the country. I mean, you're right, Battleground had no lights. It was all stop signs. And I still think they have 10 cops for every one resident there in Battleground. But it's interesting to look at, if you look at a lot of reports from the 80s, you'll see there, right, almost. almost in town. And then if you look at reports today, they're farther north. It's almost like they've moved out just outside of civilization. They're 20 minutes north. You'll find a lot of

encounter reports. And so it's fascinating. Yeah, it is. And we're right by the Gifford National Forest, too. I mean, it doesn't take very long to get there. So if you were Sasquatch, that would be the place to be, you know, to venture back to for safety. That place is huge. Yeah, and that's where Woody and I had our encounter. I'll take you up. there sometime. It's, uh, yeah, it's about 20 minutes north of where you had your encounter. Um, and it's, you're right. I mean, if I was the Sasquatch Network, that's where I would hang out. The water's clear. It's clean. Uh, there's food. There's more than enough food. There's more than enough cover. If I was a Sasquatch, that's where I would hang out. And you're right on the edge of civilization,

too. It's funny when I, I could think of the red eye story. Uh, it's not really relevant to this, but, uh, when we're at, uh, when we're at the edge of civilization, the Browns property. And I remember we'd walked out into this field. And I don't know if it's the flashlights we were using, but cows actually have red eyes. And I didn't know this. And I'd turn on a flashlight and I did a quick scan of the field. And I saw about 20 red eyes looking at me. And I about fell back over a log. Everyone with me was like, you're an idiot. But I about fell back overwards because I was like, oh my God. You know, I was in shock. And I can imagine seeing one set of glowing red eyes would be enough to make me want to be done with that area.

Yeah, yeah. Back to the cow thing, too. I've seen it's usually just the pupil on the cows that you see that reflection in. But these were like the whole eye. I mean, if I said, you know, like an almond shape eye type, you know, to where the whole thing was illuminated. You know, and like I said, I didn't have a flashlight or anything. It was, yeah, it's scary.

but yeah yeah that's and that's you know when I was posting that picture about that girl

that took the picture of the red eyes I don't know so much that that was reflection it kind of looks like glowing red eyes I don't know

if you saw that picture I put up on the blog I have yeah yep but it kind of looks like glowing red eyes doesn't it I mean it doesn't really

I wouldn't say that was a reflection absolutely not you can see the light over on the other side of the glass that's the part I was like, okay, that's not, that's not Eichlair, you know.

So, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's spooky. That's, that's what I saw. It's, it's, it's startled. I can only imagine her, you know, being younger or whatnot. I mean, and having that right there looking in your window, what is, what's it looking for? You know, what's going on? Is it just curious or, or what, so. Well, I appreciate you coming on, Ryan, and sharing the encounter.

It's, um, I love to talk to people who are local. I mean, you're only 15, 20 minutes from me. And there is a lot of encounters back in the 80s, back there along that main drag of Battleground. And again, for the audience, who probably has no clue what we're talking about. But if you look at Portland, Oregon on a map and go about 20 minutes north, that's Battleground. And it's notorious for sightings. It's right next to Yakult. It's right next to Woodland, Cougar, you know, all that's within quick driving distance.

And there's a ton of reports. And it's interesting. as you see time go by, the reports almost kind of move farther north, you know, out closer to the wilderness. But I really appreciate you coming on and sharing it. Yeah, thank you, Wes. I appreciate it getting the chance to talk to you and to share my story. Like I said, I share it with my Boy Scout sometimes, but it's good to talk to someone else

that, you know, knows about it and to learn the other things about the sightings out here. That was awesome. I appreciate it. And that's it for tonight, everyone. remember if you've had an encounter encounter like going through puberty here man yeah laugh it up have a good time with it yeah yeah go ahead all right uh where was it at what are you what are you 14 again yeah anyway that's into the show thanks for being here everyone peace out yeah see you across the country faster than the coronavirus and wagering week

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