Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:351 Dark Waters

Episode Date: August 13, 2017

My guest tonight is Dark Waters and he will be sharing with us some encounters he has not shared with anyone. Join me as I welcome DW to the show. Check out Dark Waters on Facebook and YouTube   I will also be welcoming to the show Bob Gimlin and Russell Acord to the show to talk about Bob's new documentary. Follow-up with news on Bob at www.bobgimlin.net

Black thing go from left to right, and I thought, I'm going to die out here and no one's ever going to know. I couldn't believe what my eyeballs was showing me. I'll never forget how evil the eyes were. It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me. And this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't.

He was yelling at me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what? He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot, nine, I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Uh-oh. You're listening to South. Saskwatch Chronicles. Check us out online at saskwatch chronicles.com. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. Bigfoot.

Complete nonsense when people talk about it. It doesn't exist. That's what I thought prior to my sighting. In 1998, my best friend and I, Jesse, went on a hiking trip up to Rattlestake Ridge. to collect rocks for Jesse's geology class at Seattle University. We reached the gravel parking lot around 1 o'clock in the afternoon. Normally this is a very popular spot. There's people everywhere.

As we got to the trailhead, it was dead silent. No birds, no crickets, nothing. Very strange feeling. And I knew Jesse felt it too. Normally when we'd go on hikes together, we would sit and talk. This day was different. We never said a word to each other. We started our hike on the regular trailhead until we reached the opposite side of the lake. We continued, following this stream that led into the lake.

Other than our own heavy breathing, we could hear nothing. We said nothing. Then we heard a loud slurping sound ahead of us. Very strange. Jesse and I both looked at each other with this look on our face like, What the hell? However, we continued, for what seemed like another ten minutes. The slurping grew louder, and now we could hear what sounded like a sigh in between each slurp. I don't like this. I don't like this at all. Something's not right. Our trail would intersect

with the creek once again, just over the hill. At this time in the hike, Jesse was ahead of me, approximately 8 to 10 feet. Suddenly, as we came over the hill, Jesse froze in his steps, and I came up from behind him, alerted by his actions. As I approached him from his six, I looked over his shoulder and saw what he was looking at. Bigfoot's nonsense, right? It's a punchline. A lot changed that day. In front of us, only about 20 feet from our position, I thought. what I first saw was a bear, drinking from the creek. Then suddenly I realized it had a huge pair of feet, not hooves or paws, but actual feet,

each having five toes. The feet were dusty gray in color. This creature was covered in four to five inches of long, dark brown hair, almost black. The hair on its butt was all matted, and I could clearly see testicles. I knew we were looking at a male. We stood there frozen in fear.

I could not feel my legs. My skin crawled from the adrenaline running through my blood. I remember my mouth going dry and feeling numb all over my face. The smell of this animal was indescribable. It was absolutely horrible, and I could feel my gag reflexes twitching as I badly wanted to vomit. Jesse's face was beat red, and his eyes were watering, and his hands were over. his mouth, also trying to hold back the nauseous feeling we had. He then tried to back up, pushing me back also. We tried to regain our balance while still keeping our eye on this thing.

It must have heard us moving, because suddenly in one quick motion it jumped to its feet and spun around facing us in a defensive position. As it did this, it made a loud bark sound that seemed to make the trees shake. It stood there with its fists clenched. and its arms raised in front of it like a boxer. Its lips were curled, bearing these huge horse-like teeth, as it glared directly at us. The bottom half of its face was tripping with creek water,

and his eyes were black, kind of like shark's eyes. What am I looking at? I stood there frozen in fear in an amazement of this animal, the sheer size and of agility. I'm six-two, and I only came up to its midsection. I can only guess this animal was probably between 10 to 12 feet tall in height. It was much higher than a basketball rim and towered over us like we were children.

The three of us just stood there and looked at each other for a good minute. I was absolutely amazed. I was shocked by how big this creature was. I remember every detail clearly, as if it were yesterday, and I will attempt to describe the portions of this creature the way I saw it. I know now why they call this creature Bigfoot. The feet on this creature were massive. They were approximately 20 or more inches in length.

The toenails and fingernails were covered with an orange tint to them. The creature did not have an ounce of fat on its entire body. The calves were almost twice the size of my head. His quads were as big as the tree trunks and swept out like a bodybuilder. I'm not kidding. Those legs looked like they could squat a full-sized dodge pickup. The glutes were huge and muscular and very high like a trackrunner's. They tied into these enormous hamstrings that gave the animal a very explosive look,

like it could sprint at high speeds. The waist was narrow and very powerful and solid looking. Above that I could see huge lats that flared out underneath its arms. Its pecks were wide and bulky looking. They were so big. They almost came up to his chin, but his traps and his deltoids were what really caught my attention.

First of all, the delts were as big as beach balls and connected to them with these huge traps that flared out and upward. They went from his deltoids to his ears. The top of the head was conical, and these bulky missiles steamed down towards the tip of his cranium. He kind of had an appearance of a gorilla, the way this thing was built.

but the face was not ape at all. Where do I begin? It really looked like a Neanderthal. The face had a lot less hair than the rest of the body. The forehead was sloped, and the eyebrow ridges were protruded out. Underneath them were these deep eye sockets that sink deep into the skull. The cheekbones were very high and wide, and below them was this very deep, powerful-looking jaw.

The nose had a ridge to it. like a human, and the nostrils flared out and forward. They weren't quite pointed down like a human nostril would be. I'll tell you one thing strange. When his lips relaxed a bit, I could see that he really didn't have an upper lip. It was very thin, and his bottom lip was much larger. The mouth overall was very wide, as white as his face. His arms were huge and bulky, and you could see his triceps bulging up.

and his biceps looked like bowling balls. His forearms were abnormally long, and they too were bulging with muscle. His knuckles were huge, and the color of his skin was a cross between black and gray. Believe me, trying to describe this creature does not even begin to do it justice. I don't know.

I've probably said enough. I'll tell you this. In 1993, I shot a 1,200-pound bull elk near Yakima. The creature that we saw that day was twice the muscle mass of that elk. I guarantee you that he weighed no less than 1,500 pounds with a maximum of 2,500 pounds easily. Finally, we had enough. And the urge to leave grew very strong.

We began backing down the trail, keeping our eyes glued on the creature the entire time. As we backed away, his arms dropped to his sides. and he opened his mouth and let out a soft, deep, bellowing sound, kind of like the gurgling moan sound that a male lion makes to declare his territory. Long after that, he was out of sight. We could still hear him bellowing. As we came closer to the parking lot, I started to run. I was terrified. I didn't know what we ran into. I didn't know what we saw. We got in the car and drove to Belvia, Washington.

before we stopped for coffee to try and collect our thoughts. I don't know what we saw that day. I don't know. I don't know. One thing I will tell you, though, is that Bigfoot is real. People are seeing these things. It's no longer a joke. It's no longer a punchline.

Things change that day. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Hope you enjoyed the retelling of that encounter. That's actually a real encounter that happened here. in Washington State and very interesting details. Very, very interesting details. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out the website, Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

You can become a member. There's a store at the top. You can go in there and buy merchandise. A lot of cool stuff. Daily blog. If you get a chance, check it out. A very fascinating night tonight. I'll be speaking to DW, Dark Waters. Most of you, I've had him on the show before. He's on YouTube. A guy does a great job. He has a lot of encounters. He shares on YouTube.

If you get a chance to go to YouTube, type in Dark Waters, subscribe and like his videos. He definitely does a great job with it. Before we get into that, I want to welcome Russell and Bob Gimlin to the show. Guys, thanks for coming on. Good morning. How are you going, West? Good morning. It's great.

morning. There's up here, sunshine and slight breeze, had breakfast with Russ and Gary and say, couldn't be a better Sunday morning. And now Russ's birthday today, I'll tell you what, and we've been talking about the International Bigfoot Conference and hoping that some people would come to that because it's going to be big, big, big, big, and really good, some great speakers. and then the DVD is available also, Bobgimlin.net, and they can get that, and that's a story about some of the things that I do in life other than Bigfoot.

So very interesting. Russ put that together with some really quality. Well, he pretty much covered it all there, Wes. I guess we're done, right? Yeah, happy birthday to you, Russell, as teasing you earlier. You're 25 now by your... a beer when I know you're old enough to drink, but I'll buy you a nice beer. And happy birthday to you this morning.

Thank you for saying that, Wes. Yes, thank you. You're all buying a beer. It might have to be one of those Alaska and a hamburs or something like that, you know. You all know I don't drink, right? I've got about a quarter beer limit, and I'm on my face. So if you guys buy me a whole beer, I'm in trouble. Uh-oh.

We'll help him out, won't we, Wes? Yeah, we'll have to get a bottle of whiskey and fix that problem real quick. You're right, Wes. We can take care of all those problems. All right, I get to go embarrass myself. I can embarrass myself. No, I appreciate you guys coming on. You know, the International Bigfoot Conference is coming up September 1st, second, and third.

And if you haven't gotten your tickets, go to the International Bigfoot Conference.com and definitely get your tickets. It's funny, I've been getting a lot of, um, Twitter comments from people who've been listening to the show. You know, my brother Woody, who thinks he's a poker god, and I'm going to teach him a lesson when we get there. But it's all the people are saying, you know, destroy Woody and poker and on and on and on. So it'll be a lot of fun, you know,

besides the conference, try and make it fun. And I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah, I don't think Bob knows about that yet, but we're going to have a little bit of a poker tournament with Wes and Woody and myself, and we'll get a couple other people that are playing. And it's going to be a battle of the wits. And I think you two are going to be surprised.

Woody and Wes both, because they have no idea that I actually have played poker once or twice before in my lifetime. So we're going to have a couple prizes, some door prizes. It's not a big money thing. It's a more of being able to talk to talk, walk the walk. And so I think that's going to be a lot of fun, but we're going to have poker with the guys.

So a whole one or two times you've played? One or two times, yeah. And I think it was just strictly internet poker, too, kind of like a lot of the poker champions of the computer world. Yeah. Hey, Wes. Yes, sir. Hey, Wes, there won't be any 45s laid up on. the table this poker game, okay?

We keep them under the table. Under the table and the boot. Well, it depends. What he goes armed everywhere he goes, so he might be armed. But I'm really looking forward to it, and I'm really looking forward to seeing you guys. And I know last time you're on, Russell, we talked about Bob's documentary. Did you like doing that, Bob? Did you have someone kind of telling, you know, describing your life and everything that's

happened in your life? Well, I'll tell you, yes, West. Well, Russ does such an incredible job, and you know how his personality is, hey, I do backflips, and I can't already do that for Russ if he asked me to, but let me tell you, he put a lot of work into it and did a lot of things, and I appreciate all of it that he did, because it was good, you know. When my daughter orders one and my niece orders one, and they think it's good, you know, to me, Russ did an incredible job on that. And, of course, with his International Bigfoot Conference, you know, last year it was, it was really nice and good, but this year it's going to be a grand slam with, so we'll be glad to see you coming on up here

and having some time with us to always enjoy your company. So we just hope everybody has as good a time as we do when you get up here, okay? Well, we're the life of the party when Wendy and I show up. The party starts. You guys got to wait to start the party before we get there. Hey, Wes, don't crush Bob, okay? Just be gentle. Well, I'm hoping that Woody just has as good a time as everybody else is going to have.

You know, we're going to really be careful and not to us. With our big feet, we're not going to step around and step on anybody's foot or anything. It's just going to be, hey, good buddy stuff, good friends, good relationship with friends, and everybody that come, the Cowboys saying, we'll treat you so, dadgum, many ways you're bound to like one of them. Oh, it's going to be a good time, that's for sure. Yeah, absolutely. It's going to be a great time. And I had a blast last year.

And I know, Russell, you started this documentary with Bob Gimlin. And if people go to bobgimlin.net, and I've only seen the trailer of it. But the trailer actually looks really good. I love the part where Bob says, take this job and shove it. And then he's walking off to his horse. That's my favorite part of the trailer. But, you know, I can't wait. Are you going to be selling it there at the International Bigfoot Conference?

Because I've been wanting to order mine. And I thought, well, with shipping and everything, I'll just wait. and buy it at the International Bigfoot Conference. That way I can watch it and not have to wait for two weeks for it to show up. Actually, what we're trying to do is we're trying to get the Internet sales to where they're, we're talking about having them there. I know that we're going to have his photos there. Bob, just a real quick recap here.

We had 200 pictures of each for a series of four. So we only have a total of 800 pictures. And Bob sat down over several weeks and signed each and every one of them. And we'll be selling those at the conference for certain. As far as the DVDs go, the first 250 are signed by Bob. And that was the kind of the big push for the Internet bit was to get to kind of get people realizing where they can find Bob stuff, so to speak. So on the Bobgimlin.net page, you're able to access the DVD and his pictures.

but I know that we'll have some things there at the conference for sure. Yeah. I got you. So I better buy it online as what you're saying. Now, I'm going to buy it either way. And I'll definitely get one of those pictures while I'm there too as well. But, you know, I really, I thought it was so cool that you did this, Russell, because, and if people go to Bobgimlin.comnet, they can buy the documentary.

And a lot of people don't know this. You know, when you talk to Bob, they know it from listening to the show. but the Patterson Gimlin film was a very minute portion of the story. Everyone thinks that's the big portion of the story is this film that these guys got, you know, that Bob and Roger got. And that's not really true. When you listen to the whole story before the film and after the film and a lot of what happened in Bob's life, the whole story is just so fascinating.

I mean, it's, you can't even, if you just talked about the Patterson Gimlin film, which I'm sure Bob's tired of talking about, but it's a very small portion of this huge story that happened. And I love the fact that you created this documentary with Bob's life, because there was so much that happened before and after the film. I know when Bob and I talked, I was just like, wow, I can't believe I never knew any of this. I never knew any of this happened. I never knew you felt this way. You know, and it's just, go ahead, Russell, let me cut you off. The thing that is difficult is I took the summer and did a lot of filming on Bob,

and I've got six to seven hours of just nothing but storyline. And you've got that, you know, a few minutes of the storyline of Bob's, one of the many defining moments in his life is the Bigfoot footage in, you know, with Roger Patterson. but like you have seen and you've heard in your podcast when you've spoken to Bob is the there's defining moments of him knowing Robert or evil can evil as we know him some of the the near-death experiences that he's had now I had to go through all of this bit of Bob's life and pair it down to a documentary size film so I've got hours several more hours of footage left that we didn't get to touch on. You're talking, we tried to pack in 85 years of

a life into a very short documentary and without leaving out details of certain things that really needed to be talked about. So it was hard to make that decision, you know, what, what goes, what stays, you know. So I think there might be a second DVD eventually that I put together for all the things that were set that I had to set aside because you can only fit so much on a DVD and sell it that way. But what we have, I think we did a pretty good job just kind of rounding out, you know, his, when he, how, where he was born and getting all the way up to the point where the California footage was filmed and then moving on to 2003 when he finally came to a Bigfoot conference and came back out in the open. And then some of the

things that have happened since then. It's very, very interesting. And his entire life reads like an action-packed novel. It's just amazing. And it's hard to fit it all in to that short piece of it. But I think whoever ends up with that DVD will be pleasantly surprised and walk away feeling thing good about old Bob Gimlin. Well, thank you, Russ, for that. Yes, you know, I've had a very eventful blessed lifestyle and I never wasted a whole lot of time on one particular

subject. I went to a lot of different things with different groups and horse events and yes, the time with Roger Patterson down in the Bluff Creek area was just a small

time in my life although it's been in life for me because I'm met some great people such as U.S. and Russ, and the list goes on and on and on and on, that I'm so grateful for the people that I've met. And it's just, I can't even explain. Words will never even say what I'm grateful for, for all the great people that I met over the years and being blessed to be able to meet them and have time with them. So, and I'm, and I'm, I'm hoping to have a lot more years left.

You know, I'll be 86 here in October, but to me that's just a start. I'm just going to keep right on going, Wes. It's sure going to be a pleasure to have you up here and see you again. And to have time with Russell is just incredible. We never have a dull moment while we're visiting and talking about different things, exciting things that we're probably going to try to get done in the future or not try to. We will get done. So, thanks for everything.

And I want to thank Russell Accord for all the efforts that he's put into this for me. That was the story that needed to be told. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And for the audience out there, go to bobgamlin.net and watch the trailer. I first watched the trailer because it's a pretty good. trailer that's put together. And I can't wait to buy my

own personal copy of it and have that. And I can't wait to see you guys at the International Bigfoot Conference. Like I said, for the audience, go to the international bigfootconference.com and get your tickets, get your documentary. How long does it take to ship one of those things? Let's say I ordered it today.

If you order, it's still going to take a couple weeks. It's because they're, the we have to sign them. I got you. I got you. They all have the first 250 have to be autographed and signed. And it's, it's not the packaging that gets signed. Actually, the DVD gets pulled out of the case

and he signs the DVD itself. Oh, cool. So there'll only be 250 like that. Very cool. It'll take a little bit of time. Yeah. Well, I can't wait to see you guys up there. And Bob, you'll have to sit down and play a couple hands of poker with us. And we'll, uh, we'll, we'll have a great time there, guys. I can't wait to see you guys.

Yes, sir. Thank you, Wes. I think Bob's going to surprise all of us. He's going to be the top guy on the poker hands. I would, I just say that only on a matter of 85 years of experience. Well, I've never had much experience with poker, but I've gambled a lot on life itself. So the gamble's been big at times and very eventful, of course. Well, Bob, you can sit down and play poker with us and bring your check. I'd be happy to teach you to, I'd be more unhappy to sit down and teach you out of play. Just bring your checkbook. We'll get it all figured out after a week. You mean you'd take a check from me?

Hey, I'll tell you what, Wes, you're a brave man. That's a gamble right there. That is a gamble. Hey, Wes, this has been a pleasure this morning to be able to visit with you and know that we're going to be able to see you here in September and Woody too, you know. We don't want to ever leave Woody out of this thing, you know. So, hey, Wes, this has just been great, okay? Thank you, Wes.

Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Appreciate you guys coming on. Let's jump into it tonight. Dark Waters. Go to YouTube type in Dark Waters and check out his channel. DW, how are you tonight?

Thanks so much for coming on. Wes, I'm doing fantastic. How are you, my friend? It's good to hear from you. I know you and I talk a lot. And for the audience, if they go to YouTube and type in Dark Waters, you can come up with the Dark Waters channel. And this guy definitely gets some of the best encounter stories out there.

And a lot of the stuff, I know he's got a backlog of stuff that he hasn't posted yet. But if you get a chance again to go to YouTube, type in Dark Waters. Comes right up. It's a great channel. I enjoy it. and DW and I, we talk a lot. So it's fun to have you on the show. Do you have any news stories you want to share with the audience?

Yeah, I have a whole bunch of stuff that I would like to share. And for the record, I want to put it on a record that, you know, Wes, you have been a strong ally of mine, you know, since I've started doing this. And the funny thing about this kind of genre and industry is, you know, when I first came in, I needed people to talk to you to give me advice. And you have been one of those people from the very beginning. who has been supportive, and when I had an issue or a problem, we could talk and you've been encouraging all the way through. So I really want to thank you for that because there weren't

that many people who did that. And you were one of the few who did. So I need to tell you officially in front of everybody in the world how much I appreciate you and tell you thank you, my friend. I appreciate that. You didn't have to do that. It's a cutthroat business, isn't it? This, you wouldn't think it would be, but it's very cutthroat. Yeah, it's cutthroat. You know, I'll say it's cutthroat in a way in which, compared to some of the other things I've done, is cutthroat on like a kindergarten level,

but it's cutthroat, you know, it's amazing. And then also for people to know, you can go to IAM dot waters.com to find some of the other content as well. So, but to get to some of the stories and to kind of give people an idea how to come about these stories for people who haven't heard, heard about this before. I have a public phone number in which people give me a call. And right now,

I'm about backlogged by about a month and a half of calls that I need to return. And so over time, you know, I get calls about different things, vampires, aliens, UFOs, dogmen. But the number one call that I get is about Sasquash encounters. It's amazing how many people have these encounters. And when I first started this was, you know, I didn't realize that people were having this number of encounters in the woods. I mean, and we're talking about people going back to the 80s, 90s, all the way up to the day telling me these stories. And I think it's amazing that so many people have encountered these creatures in many ways, shapes and forms, from, you know, sightings to smells to actual, you know, hostile encounters. But it still doesn't hit the mainstream media.

I mean, it really doesn't. You know, you may get a little blurb on somebody's website where they say, yeah, somebody claimed it so Bigfoot. But it just, if it hasn't hit the main mainstream, but just from the sheer number of people I've talked to, it's a lot of encounters, more than anything else. It really, really is. Yeah, it's shocking, isn't it? It is. It's extremely shocking.

One of the most recent encounters that someone shared with me was these two brothers, and it was funny because, you know, the process that I go through when I talk to people was not like it's one conversation. It's multiple conversations. It's really getting to know the individual. And this guy, he really tripped me out because he was talking about his brother. brother. And this is like six, seven years ago, this brother, they're both from Plano, Texas. This brother was in love of what you call battle rap, where they got these rappers who do these

rhymes. So his brother, he and his brother are 15 years old, they're twin brothers. And his brother is driving him and his mom crazy because he's sitting around the house all day practicing these battle raps, knowing that he's never going to be a battle rapper. And so the mom tells him, hey, I need y'all out of the house, go head over to the pond to go swimming. And he's telling him, he's like DW, you know, my brother is a loose, a bunch of screws. You know, we're walking over to the pond, and he's doing a full-fledged, full-fledged performance. Like, he's rapping, he's got a stick in his hand. He's dancing, he's doing all this other stuff.

He's said, I'm just laughing at this dude because he's a clown. But he's my brother, and he's always being a little crazy. They get to the pond, jump in the water. The brother, the rapping brother jumps in, and just throws his shirt off. it jumps in with his shorts and his shoes still on. The other brother who's a little, they're just completely different personality, you know, takes off his shirt,

takes off his socks, takes off his shoes, they both get in the water, and they're in this kind of mucky pond swimming and talking. Well, the brother who's telling the story says he feels something brush up against his leg.

And I'm like, okay. And he says, well, the thing that brushes up against my legs, I'm thinking it's a fish because they're fishing his pond. and they're always fishing a pond so I'm thinking there's nothing more than a fish well he's like look man my brother Eric is in front of me and his brother told him to call him E-Money in these days he's like E-Money is in front of me rapping

and it was funny to do because he's kind of doing these lame rhymes this brother used to do and he's like E-Money's right in front of me and he's rapping and then all of a sudden he goes quiet and he's like his eyes get huge like the size of some potatoes like huge and he says bro something just grabbed my leg

And he's like, well, what do you mean? Something grabbed me. And say something grabbed my leg. Literally is holding my leg. And he's like, man, my brother kind of wiggles his body. And the next thing you know, he's gone. He's running through the water leaving out of the pond. And they're in like chest deep water, you know, right to the bottom of your chest.

And he said, he's wiggling. He's running out of the pond. He said, when I go to turn to run, he said, I have to turn to the left. And I swing my right foot around under the water. And something grabs my right. ankle. And I'm like, what? He's like, yeah, something grabs my right ankle. And I'm like, well, what is it? And he's like, man, I don't know all I could tell you is it felt like someone had a glove on made of sandpaper and he grabbed my ankle. And I said, well, what did you do, bro? He's like, I started wiggling and shaking and I'm pulling. He's like, but it's strong. He's like, and it wasn't this huge, big hand. He said, but it was a hand. He said, I felt the thumb. I felt the fingers. I felt the pressure on the palm of the hand and you know he started describing

the pressure that he felt as it clenched in and I said well how did you get loose? He said I kept pulling and it let me go and he said I run out of the water give up to land he said so my brother and I are standing there and we're looking back at the pond and he's like you know how there's there's been a disturbance in the water

and there's these ripples and these waves and he said we're watching the ripples in the waves in the water then on the far side of the pond this arm comes up out of the water and he's like it comes up and then it goes down. And I'm like, well, can you kind of describe the arm? And he said, it was like a hairy arm that came out of the water.

And he was like, you know how a swimmer is swimming through the water and he take a stroke? He was like, it took one stroke and then it disappeared under the water. And I'm like, well, bro, how long are you standing there? He said, we stood there until the water's completely calm because we wanted to see what it was that came up out of the water. But nothing came up out of the water. He said, fine, my brother's like, dude, we need to go. So they walked back home. we said we got home we didn't tell our mom and dad

we said we kind of talked about it for a little bit that day and then we never talked about it again and so he's told the story to me once and he starts speculating on what it is and I'm like what do you think it was like a ghost what do you think it was he's like bro I don't know I said well did you smell anything was there any kind of sense that you smell

so I'm starting to go we're trying to determine what this thing is that grabbed him and he tells me the only thing odd was when we were walking, first walking, my brother was kind of rapping and dancing. I felt, I smelled this musty smell, but he was like, I only smelled it for a brief second. It was kind of like I smelled this musty scent, and then it went away. And I was like, bro, I think maybe a, you know, a juvenile Bigfoot was messing with you guys

and pulled you under trying to play with you under the water. And he was like, no, don't tell me that. I said, that's the only thing I could think of. And I was like, I went into the smell. I was like, tell me what you just smell. Like, he was like, you know, like a musty, you know, an extra musty human being. And he was like, it was a little bit of garbage smell, but it was more of a musty humanoid smell. He was like, it wasn't like when I as a teenage boy would stink and my armpit was stank.

He was way stronger than that, but it was this musty smell. And that's one of the more recent stories that someone shared with me. And I know that Bigfoot and Sasquots have been known to swim. I don't have been known to the yank people on the water. but I think they had an encounter with a younger one that just messed with them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's an interesting story. I know Richard, one of my listeners, had sent me, and I kind of had to walk a fine line with this because someone died.

So you kind of have to be careful on your conclusion, especially when someone passes away. But it was in Toronto, and it was August 2nd. I posted it to the blog. And what happened is all these kids were out swimming in this well-known lake. And they all went through, in order to swim in the lake, you had to go through different trains. They had to make sure the kids could swim. They weren't just going to throw them in the lake and hope for the best. And one of the kids had actually drowned in this lake, which seems odd to me because if you have 30, 40 kids, someone's drowning.

You know, I think of a pool and there's 20 people in the pool. I've seen where a little kid falls in and falls under and I'll dive in after them. whether it's my kid or not, I can just see that someone's drowning. But what's interesting is in this, what happened in Toronto was the guy that was, that ended up surviving, said he couldn't find his friend. His friend had actually gone underwater. But here's a direct quote. Here, I'll pull it up on the website.

He said, I was swimming and something pulled me down. Something pulled my left leg and after that my right leg and was trying to pull this kid under. and he couldn't figure out what it was. Now, was it his friend that was drowning? I don't know. So it's kind of one of those things to where you have to walk a very fine line when you're talking about it. But I've had witnesses on. I remember one very vividly. He was talking about how they would go out to this pond and all the alligators, all the fish would not go into this one area. And his friend had told him that the boogers live underneath in the caverns underneath this pond. So he swam underneath it and he found these caverns. And I guess it smelled like B.O.

It smelled terrible underneath in this cavern. But he had actually swam under this pond into this cavern. And he could have gotten up and walked around in this cavern. He'd swim underneath to. So it's just interesting. Makes you wonder what's going on in that situation. Are they trying to pull you under? And Sasquatch can swim.

Like you said, DW. I've had many encounters on the show where people talk about them swimming, very, very fast. No, it is fascinating. And you know, the thing that really got me about this guy's story was that when we go through these processes of people sharing their stories, I do a technique called looping. So I kind of loop back and start trying to insert things that aren't true into their story. Just to test them to see if they're going to agree to something that's not true. So I loop them, inject something, loop them, inject something. And he passed a test. flying colors because every time I injected something small and minor, he would correct me. He's like, no, no, no, that's not quite how it happened. This is what happened. Blah, blah, blah, blah. So he was completely

consistent with his story. Now, could it have been a juvenile bigfoot? That's what I believe it was because I believe that if it was an adult Bigfoot, the hand that he described would have been extremely big. And he said, well, how big was it?

He said, it wasn't big, man. And he said, it wasn't big at all. He was almost like another, you know, normal-sized person had grabbed me no more than a regular man. So it wasn't like it was this massive hand. And I can imagine that if it's a saskwash, an adult saskwash, that, you know, that hand is big enough to where when it grabs your ankle, it's grabbing your, it's grabbing your shin and everything else. So all the way up to your calves. So, I mean, it was an interesting story. I like the guy because he and I hit it off.

I don't feel like he lied to me in any way, shape, of form. And it was a great story. Another story that a guy recently shared with me, it's a little bit of a lengthy one, and I'll try and shorten it, but it really centers around him and his adolescent days and growing up and getting a driver's license and how, you know, as he grew older,

and he got this driver's license, he learned that people were kind of manipulate him. And so this whole time he was throughout high school, he was trying to get with this girl named Dana, and this process of trying to befriend this girl and get her to be his girlfriend leaves him to this party at a lake where he gets his mom car. He has three girls in a car to go out to the lake. Five, six hundred people at this lake having a party.

The girl that he's in love with really likes ends up going out onto a boat and hanging out with an ex-boyfriend. And so now he's kind of the odd man out. Well, he hooks up with one of the other girls that was in a car with him. They go off into the woods to make out. and they have to go pretty deep into the woods because there's a lot of people, you know, just hanging out trying to find private spots.

What are getting to this particular spot, they start doing what teenagers do, and, you know, he's getting excited, and the next thing, you know, a smell hits his nose and hits her nose. And he said, man, it smelled like someone had taken a dumpster behind a restaurant and left it in like the sun in a hundred-degree weather

and then slit it right next to us. He's like, that's how strong, the smell was so strong that she hops up starts looking around he hops up and looking around and they see what looks like a shoulder and an arm protruding from behind a tree well she sees this shoulder and arm and she takes off running a young lady has her shorts on in the bar she's literally running through the wood screaming because she's seen this thing he gets upset and he's like you know what man you know this has been a horrible day he thinks is one of the people at the party, pranking people.

And he had felt victim to pranks throughout his whole life, so he figured somebody else is pranking him. He picks up a rock, throws the rock, and hits this thing in the shoulder. The shoulder then rises up. He said, I said, well, how high was it? He's like, man, it was about five, five, five, five, a little bit between five and six feet in the air of the shoulder.

So then it rises up to where it's like eight and a half feet in the hair, almost nine feet in the air. He said, the next thing you know, the tree starts coming towards me. I said, what do you mean? He said, you hear the roots of the tree crackling and creaking as it's coming out of the ground. And he says, man, this entire tree is falling straight down towards me. And I'm like, what did you run? He was like, bro, I was frozen. And the only reason why I didn't die is because the other trees in the area, the branches of that tree started hitting other trees and it rolled in a direction away from me and fell. And I said, well, did you see what

it was. He said, I saw a glimpse of it. And he was like, I'm not even going to try and describe it because the glimpse was so brief that all I saw was a huge black mask. And it looked like I saw a distorted, twisted kind of face. He said, man, I turned around,

ran back to my car. When I got to the car, the girl that had seen it with me was standing next to the car. We got in the car and left. She goes on to tell him that her dad had been telling her story about that lake area for years because teenagers have been going there for years and that people were encountering Bigfoot's

and for years at this lake and people were kind of drowning and going missing in the area for years and her dad had actually warned her about going there because of this very thing and he was like bro you know it was funny because like bro Bigfoot hated on me man I could have got me something but Bigfoot was really hating on me that day I said dude you had a horrible encounter I said you really did have a horrible encounter. Not horrible in the sense that, you know, that it was so frightening and so scary, but just that whole day, you know, he went through this emotional rollercoaster because he was excited. The girl that he wanted, he was finally getting her to go with him somewhere. Turns out she uses him. Then he hooks up with another girl. He's getting excited

about what's going to go with her, and then he sees Bigfoot. I was just laughing, you know, it was crazy. So lately the encounters haven't been people having these, you know, super, frightening encounters, but they've been interesting because the human element that are associated with them, you know, and the things that people are going through. And that's why I believe my content is so good, because, Wes, you and I know nobody has a big foot, you know, locked in their trunk or their basement, except for maybe one of the governmental agencies. And what we can relate to as human beings is the other human beings experience. And that's really what I focus on. And it turned out to be a great story when I recreated it.

Yeah, and you do a good job of it. You know, like I said, if you go to YouTube type in Dark Waters, and it's just fun to kind of sit and listen to, it's one of the few shows I actually listen to and actually get to hear encounter stories and get to hear, but you do it in a different way than a lot of

people, but, you know, you hear a lot of these encounter stories, GW. What do you think Sasquatch is? What's your honest opinion? My honest opinion, I have two opinions. on it. And I don't think either one of them are necessarily right. Me being a religious man, I really do believe what was stated in the Bible and the Gnostic books of the Bible and ones that were kind of taken out is that at some point in time,

there was a fall. And that in the Word of God, it says that the fallen angels corrupted everything that God created, the seed of God. And it corrupted everything. And I think it's part of me believes that it's that result of that corruption. But then there's a part of me that kind of goes back along with the biblical aspect of, you know, the man that was created before the Garden of Eden, you know, that there were people out there before the creation in a garden, that maybe this is what was there before the creation of the garden. So I speculate on all those things.

I do not know for sure, but that's kind of where I stand on it. I don't believe that it's some kind of genetic modification created in a lot. lab. I don't believe that because it goes way too far back. The sightings go farther back than man's modern medical abilities to do genetic manipulation, you know? So it can't be that. And so that's kind of where I'm leaning on. Some people tell me, and I've had people who call and they say, you know, I saw Bigfoot after I saw our UFO. And kind of like, okay, I don't know what to do with that. You know, I really, really don't know what to do with that one. So there are people who think that. But those are my two trains of thoughts when it comes to it. Those are my two answers,

and I stick with those. So I'll take those for $500, Wes. No, I understand. I understand. And, you know, like I said, no one truly knows. And I go back and forth. I mean, sometimes I think we're dealing with an unknown primate. And a lot of other times, I'm like, no, there's something. I honestly think there's something more to this. I honestly think there's something way more to this. than just a simple unknown primate. When you say way more, what do you mean by way more? I mean, I always get this question, and I just, I don't know the answer. And I try not to jump down a rabbit hole too far to try and find it.

When you say way more, what do you think? Well, I think one thing you need to look at is, you know, it's reported in China. It's reported in Russia. It's reported in the United States, Canada, Mexico. It's reported in Australia. yet we really don't have any major evidence that it actually exists. I mean, we have footprints, we have witness testimony, we have sounds, but it just seems amazing to me we haven't caught up with this thing.

Yeah, I mean, that makes sense, you would think that, well, let me pause and let's just jump in a rabbit hole, okay? I don't necessarily, because I was going to say something, I was going to be a coward. Let me go ahead and be bold and say something. I don't necessarily believe that the evidence does not exist. I believe that, Wes, if you and I and I had access to the technology, for example, let's say you and I had access to a drone technology, like the real drone, not the fake little quadcopter drone technology. I think that we would be able to find evidence very quickly, you know,

where we had actual ability to use like night vision technology and thermal technology. I think that we would be able to find these things relatively quickly. I know for a fact, because I've spoken to people who have told me, but I've been able to verify that, you know, government organizations and government sponsors organizations have evidence of these creatures. It's just that evidence is not really leaking out to the average individual, partly because the average individual really doesn't care. And secondly, because they've seen.

feel like it would be an issue for people who are going out into the woods. That's stuff that came directing me from what I call now's learned to call as Intel sources. So I think that our technology on a governmental level allows us to see and track these things. I think the technology for us on a civilian level is just not there, i.e. why we get into these stories about military units who've encountered Bigfoot, you know what I'm saying? And military units who've been sent in to.

take out clans of Bigfoot. And that's because the sheer technology that they have to use to track them. Now, if we had someone who had the money and could use the money to, and they had access to satellite technology, as we know, satellites can look down on the ground and see the face of a dime or a quarter, then I'm pretty sure we would find the evidence that we're looking for, you know? Yeah, no, I don't disagree with you. but there seems to be kind of a strange government cover-up with Sasquatch. You see the same type of cover-up, and I stumble across these weird encounter stories

to where people do run into weird cover-ups when they actually have proof of Sasquatch, and why is that? You know, what makes you think? Why would there be a cover-up for it? You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I mean, you've got to think about it. We've got to cover up everything. You know what I'm saying?

They literally cover up everything. We can go into speculation about what 9-11 was. and that cover up, the Iraq war, and was it, so our governments are known liars, right? It's just the honest-to-god truth. So, I mean, I don't see it being too far fetched to believe and see where they would cover this topic up, because we have evidence that governments lie, you know, from false flags to everything else. So I don't see where it's a large stretch for us, you know, to say that, okay, the government is covering us up. And anybody who believes that, I don't think they're out of the box for thinking that because it makes sense.

Because we've seen it for ourselves when it comes to other things. So I don't think it's a stretch to believe that. Now, why, you know, outside of the fact that maybe it messes up the tourism industry or maybe it'll mess up the logging industry or maybe it will hurt the economy, you know, that's the only thing I can think of that would be the reason. I would love for someone to tell us the exact reason why. But also, I mean, how would people react? How would hunters react if they realized there were actual monsters in the woods? You know, real monsters. That's good point.

That's good point. I don't go in the woods myself now. That's just not what I do. My jungle is a concrete jungle, and I'm careful about where I go in this particular jungle. But I can see someone who's an avid hunter. not going hunting or going hunting intentionally trying to find Bigfoot and making a situation worse. Can you think about it? You know, people somewhere came out and said, well, we have these creatures in the woods that are humanoid creatures, part of human, part eight,

are, you know, early forms of man that have existed for millions of years. And we know that they exist, but we don't want you to go out there messing with. could you imagine the rush to go out and try and find one of these things, you know, if it was actually brought to the attention of the massive. You know, like, you know, when we start talking about cryptology and cryptics, it really is kind of a niche thing. You know, it's major to us because this is what we're into. But the average person isn't worrying about that.

The average person is worrying about how they're going to pay your light bill, their phone bill. They're trying to get laid. They're trying to do something. other than worry about, you know, a creature in the woods. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of see that being chaos. Yeah, I would agree with you on that. I definitely would agree with you on that.

Did you have any other stories you wanted to share? Yeah, I had one more story that I thought was relatively decent. And this was not necessarily a fast-car story, but it's a dog man story if you want to hear that one. This gentleman that I talked to, man, this had to be, we are in what August to Monta so we this was maybe

March of this year he calls me and we start talking and he's after I at least a dog man story and he's like hey man you know I want to tell you my dogman story but I tell you up front that you know I am currently an alcoholic

and you may believe that because I drink that I'm not telling you the truth and I say hey man you know I respect everybody's story if I don't believe you I'm not even going to tell you, I don't believe you, but feel free to share your story. And so he goes into, which was what everybody does. They go into their problems and issues first. So he goes into

why he was such a drinker and he was having problems in his relationship. He had lost his job. And he goes into the fact that he got a DUI and that he continued to drink. Well, he goes out to this bar, goes drinking, and he's driving home, which he knows he shouldn't do. And so he says, well, you know, DW, I figured the best thing for me to do instead of getting another DUI, because the police actually in a small town know my vehicle, and they will pull me over, I figured what I should do is pull over and sleep it off. He's like, you know, nothing's going to happen. He says, pulls over, hops in a backseat, locks the doors, leaves the car running, lays out in the

backseat, and tries to kind of sleep it off a little bit. he's in a horrible relationship with his wife. She don't even care if he come home at all. She's like, I don't have nothing to rush home to. I really don't care. He lays in the back seat of that car. And he says he lays on his right side and kind of curls up a little bit with his head on the passenger, back passenger side door area.

And he says, man, I was laying there. And he said, I don't know how long I had kind of been sleep. He said, but I start to hear what sounds like someone pulling. on the door knob of the car, you know, the little door handle. See, I started to hear what sounds like someone pulling on a door handle. She says, but I'm sleeping and I'm, you know,

I'm waking up, but I hear it and I know I'm hearing something. He's like, I'm thinking it's the police. You know, because I'm on the side of the road, I'm thinking it's the police. He's thinking that I've been sleeping so hard and shine the light in there. And he's like, man, I really don't want any problems.

He said, so at first I kind of ignored. He said, then it got harder and it got harder, and it got harder. He said, so I start to open my eyes. He's, I'm laying on my right-hand side, and my eyes kind of look up towards the left, and he said, at first, I see fur. And I'm like, really? He's like, yeah, it's like this black fur. I was like, well, describe to me the lighting situation, because if it's on the side of the road and it's dark, you shouldn't see anything, right?

He says, no, it's a clear night. The moon is out. I can see this fur. And I'm like, all right, well, what happened next? He said, I think it, and he said, I'm thinking to myself that I'm dreaming. You know, I'm dreaming. I've been drinking. I'm tripping.

He said, I close my eyes real quickly, quickly, and then I hear it again. He says, now I'm pretty much woke and I know I heard it. And he said, so I look up again. He said, that's when I see this gigantic doghead in the window. I said, well, what do you mean? He's like, look like a German shepherd, dark, dark, dark black fur. He said, I could see the snout in the nose right in the window. He was like, and it was this elongated snout.

I'm like, well, we'll go more into detail about it. He was like whiskers, snout, and he started describing the moisture on the nose. He started describing how the actual window fogged up as this thing breathed. And he said, man, I froze for just a split second. And he says, I can't really explain to you how I pulled this off. He was like, but I made eye contact with this thing. And he said, it kind of looked at me, and then it showed its teeth on his skin. left hand side, like it rode his lip up on the left.

And he said, bro, somehow I jumped up in the car. He said, I remember hitting my head on a ceiling. He said, then my head angles towards the front seat and my, my upper body ends up under the steering wheel. And he said, I'm realizing that I should have went feet first. He said, so now I'm swinging my legs up over the, it's like I'm swinging my legs up over the passenger side seat and twisted him. He said, dude, it felt like forever.

And I was so afraid to look back in that direction. He said, but it felt like forever before I can arrange myself and get my feet in there to where I could pull off and drive. He said, I finally got my feet in there. And he said, I speed off. And I'm gone. He said, man, I got home. And as soon as I pulled up in a driveway, she said, I hopped out of the car and I walked around to the side where, you know, that door handle was. And he said, man, there was this saliva on the window.

and he was like, and I can see that something had been there. And I was like, bro, that's scary. And he was like, what do you think it wanted? I said, I don't know, bro. I said, because I have these encounters with these creatures, man, they vary in so many different ways. I said, clearly they didn't want to kill you. I said, because it would have just broke the window and took you.

I said, it could have probably ripped the door off if they wanted to. I said, I think it was just screwing with you. And he's like, well, do they do that? I said, yes, they do screw with people. I said, and mess with people. I said, I was talked to a number of people. that these creatures just, they just screwing them.

And then they let them go. And he was like, well, I listen to your channel, man, I've heard some real hard stories. I said, that's because I highlight those stories.

I said, but the majority of the stories are people, it messes with people and scares the hell out of them. I said, I think it really gets enjoyment out of it. And I say, I'm pretty sure they got a kick

out of watching you looking around in that car like a fish. He was just like, yeah, man. He's like, I don't know how I did it. He said, but, you know,

I still drink. He said, but I don't get drunk to the point to where I can't drive home. And I was like, I don't blame me. You know, I really don't blame me. So, and that one came out of Alabama, not too far out of Montgomery, Alabama. So that's an interesting dogman story.

And, you know, I get those all the time and I have to really, really vet those stories because it's one of those topics that everybody's excited to talk about. But, you know, he was just, his honesty bled through the phone and as he told the story. I mean, because he literally told me his whole life story, why he was, drinking how he lost his job, how his wife was cheating on him. And he just, you know, he just bared his soul to me. So I knew this man wasn't lying about what happened because you don't bear your soul in the way in which he did and his psychological scars about his mom and his dad.

And I mean, he just told me everything. You know, it wasn't like I had to pull it out of him. It was almost like therapy for him. He was like, man, I have somebody who will listen to me and who listened to me. And that's that. And then I called him back just to test the story. and he's sitting there watching TV with his friend, and I get his friend on a farm.

I'm like, yo, how long have you known this man my whole life? Do you believe what the story that he shared? He said, man, he told me that story, and he was traumatized. He's not the type of guy, a lie. You know, he's like, he's just not a liar. And I was like, okay. So it was interesting dog man's story. I'm glad it worked out the way it did because it could have ended terribly,

but it didn't, you know, it wasn't a violent encounter. It was just one of those ones where they scared people to death. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really have that. I would say most people I talk to don't want to come on the air and don't want to share it publicly, but want to tell you their stories privately. I mean, do you have a lot of people that are come on and you feel like they're lying to you? Yes, I do.

I come across people who are, and I mean, and you have to realize, I'm talking about my phone rings. Oh, my God, all day long. It starts ringing at like 6 o'clock in the morning with stories. So I do come across people who, um, and I mean, Um, they want their story told and more of an exaggeration than just a flat out lie. Um, and I guess that's the best word to use is more of an exaggeration. So one guy told me a story about a dogman encounter and I knew where the encounter stopped, but he added 10 more minutes of story to it.

You could tell he made it up and exaggerated that particular portion. Did he see something? Probably yes. But the rest of it, it was. it was fabricated. And I knew it was fabricated because it was consistent, kind of consistent with, like he had taken a whole bunch of other stories he'd listened to

and then kind of mixed it all up and made it a part of this particular story. So yeah, I do run into people who exaggerate. And then I have had a spell where people went through this thing where they were trying to get me to tell an untrue story. It was kind of like I had about,

it was about a three-week period where people were just calling lying to me. But it was only associated with dog, man. They were calling just flat out lies. And they were saying, are you going to do my story? You're going to do my story. You're going to do my story. And that was kind of an organized thing where it was like,

oh, we're going to get him and tell a fake story. Then we're going to come out and say that his story was faking. We made it up. But the looping technique that I use where I keep going into the story and adding portions of the story, they can't keep their lies straight. And that's the one thing about a person who lies. you know, it's very, very hard to keep that lie straight and consistent, unless they're like a psychopath or a sociopath.

They can do that. But it's hard for them to keep that lie straight, especially with the things that I do where I call them at random times. Hey, man, how's it going? What you up to you? You got a second? I had a question for you. You know, I'll call you 8 o'clock in the morning and ask you one question. Then I'll call you 5 o'clock that evening, especially if I'm seriously going to do your story.

So, yeah, I went around the block to tell you, yes, people do call and lie to me. Yeah, like I said, I don't get that a lot. You know, most people, it's like pulling teeth to get them to come on the air. I know a lot of people think I just show up, turn the mics on, and here's your show. But there's actually a lot more that goes into it. But it's very hard to get, for me anyway, for me to get people to come on the air, I would say probably nine times out of ten, if someone has an encounter, they don't want to come on the air. Yeah, now, the difference is for me is, see, like, for example, when I, when I, when I

recreate their story, I have the ability to kind of hide some of the details about them. So they're more willing to tell the story. But when I start going into, hey, would you like to do an interview? Nah, man, I don't really want to do an interview on it. So there's this thin line that I've discovered and it falls in 100% in line with what you're saying. So they'll tell you their story, right? And then there are some people, the harder and, well, I guess the more traumatic the encounter is, it's a little bit harder to get them to tell you every detail.

But they'll tell you the story, they'll share the story. But when it comes down to actually telling it themselves to an audience, they're afraid of ridiculed and they don't want to do it themselves. And that's a little bit of an advantage that I have because in this case, I tell them, look, I'm going to tell your story. All you got to do is tell it to me. And so I'm able to kind of get a number of stories because people don't have to go and see it themselves.

And then the downside of that is sometimes when I recreate those stories and I follow up with that person, there have been people who literally said, man, you know, it sounded too real. It was exactly what happened to me. And now I can't sleep. I'm having nightmares. It drummed it all back up for me. So I agree with you totally. Those people who have had the toughest, roughest encounters, they don't want to tell you.

Now, they'll call and they'll start talking. and you literally have to pull it out of them, you know, because they want to say it, but they can't. It's not necessarily they don't want you. They want to see it, but they can't. It's like they have this governor in their brain, and I understand it because it's this protection mechanism that we all have. You don't want to relive that again.

And so there's a part of them that don't want to relive it, and in order to share that encounter, they have to relive it. And I'm pretty sure you've experienced this where someone was telling you something, and they literally broke down crime. while they were telling you. Oh, many times. Yeah, many times. I've talked to people on the phone, and I can't even tell you how many times someone breaks down and is telling you their encounter. And for me, it's kind of an odd place to be because I'm not really qualified to handle this. But, you know, it's a real connection you have with that person. When they break down and you almost

feel entrusted with what happened to them, their encounter, you almost feel like you're entrusted with it. And it means a lot to me when someone does that. It really, really is. You know, when I first started doing it's the first time that happened to me. I'll be honest with you, if I wasn't, if I didn't have the little training that I had to kind of switch subjects real quick, I would have not known what to do. And over time, I've developed a system where I can tell when a person is getting emotional. And I just tell them, I say, hey, hey, we need to take a break. Stop right there. Let's stop right there. And I'll start telling them stuff about me and we'll get all the way out of the moment.

And then we'll circle back to it. You know, one of the roughest conversations I've ever had was not even about Sasquash or big dogman. It was about a young lady who worked in a hospital in New York. And she had an encounter with this entity that scared her so much that she bit through her bottom lip. I mean, top lip. She literally bit through her top lip because that's how afraid she was. and then the entity followed her home and possessed her husband,

who at that time was like this computer guy, like, you know, Geek Squad, computer video game dude, he assaults her, and she can literally see this thing standing behind him while the assault is happening. And, you know, this woman broke down over and over and over and over again. And it was like, wow, I mean, you know, sweet person, genuine person, and it's, you know,

it really is gut-wrenching when you know that you're putting someone in that situation. But it's a thing where we're working through it together. Hey, I'm here with you, you're here with me, and it's not like I'm trying to take advantage of you. I never even told a story. It's my first time you mentioned in parts of a story because it was that traumatic for. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I completely understand where it comes strong and it gets real rough on you at times,

you know, it really, really does. Yeah, and I talk to a lot of people, whether it's big, foot or it's dog man, even though it's Sasquatch Chronicles, I've talked to several people that have had demonic type encounters. I've talked to several people who've had alien encounters. I mean, stuff that would just blow your mind away. And I don't really know how to handle that. I would say out of all of the categories, Sasquatch Dogman, Demonic, or Alien, I would say demonic is hands down, probably some of the worst stuff I've ever heard. What should you take? on that, DW?

Dude, the demonic encounters that I've heard are the most frightening, scary things that I've ever heard in my life. Everything that has ever manifested and physically bothered me once I've had a conversation with a person has been directly associated with holding a conversation with someone who's had a demonic encounter. So much less that I refuse to hold the conversation anymore. with anyone who's had a demonic encounter or demonic attachments. I don't do it.

It's a stern rule. It's like the great wall of China for me. Don't call me with that. Don't talk to me about that. I don't want anything to do with it. That's how bad it's been when I've dealt with that with people. I mean, it's been terrible. I quickly learned to refer people to some demonologists together.

get help quickly, quickly, quickly learned because those people who have these attachments and these encounters, you never are able to tell, Wes, who it is that's reaching out to you. If it's that actual entity itself reaching out to you because it wants that your story or to use you to manifest, not mess, use you and use you as leverage to get in attention and give it more power, or if it's that person who, who's actually reaching out to you because they have the issue. And there's no way of telling.

Absolutely no way of telling. So I learned that very, very quickly in the beginning. So you're saying you've actually had demonic experiences based on a conversation with someone? Is that what you're saying? Absolutely, was. Absolutely. I am sitting here right now.

I have acid reflux, horrible acid reflux. Based on what happened to me after I had a conversation with a young lady who the conversation started off about her family being cursed. And these things just going, and this is way early in the game west where, you know, I did not have the knowledge that I have now. She was telling me about how her family's cursed and how, you know, things go wrong. They'll buy a brand new car, and that car gets wrecked. Her father would get a job and three weeks later he loses job, you know.

Other family members were getting heart attacks, dying, like crazy stuff. and we're kind of going through the conversation, and then it comes to me, that's not even the best way to describe it, I'll go deep into it. We're going through the conversation, we take a break, Wes, because she gets emotional.

I said, hey, let's take a break. I'm going to get some chicken fingers and some fries. I'm going to call you back after I eat, right? I get my food. I start to eat. I call her. And I'll never forget because I'm in Dallas, West, and I'm sitting in this cigar shop at this circular table.

There's this huge ashtree in the middle of the table. My cigar is there. My food is there. I have a sprite. To the left of me is the bathroom. Behind me is kind of this bar in front of me are all these people. And they're talking, and I'm talking to this lady. And as we're talking, I didn't know what it was then.

I really didn't. But I have a better understanding now. As we're talking, my spirit and soul starts to go to scream. Like, ah, get off. the phone with this woman now, like, because I just get uncomfortable. Everything is telling me, you got to go, you got to go, you got to go. And I'm like, hey, I'm going to wrap this conversation up. And she says, well, I got to tell you what happened to me, you know, the climax of this. In between that, she had told me about leaving out of her bedroom and she could walk down the hallway

and she would see her father sitting on the sofa, watching TV, and this huge, gigantic black mask manifesting and blocking the light from the room that her father was in. and coming towards her, and that her father saw it and ran through it to get her, closed the bedroom. I mean, this is the kind of encounter this woman is talking about. And she finally tells me that she's laying in the bed,

she's 16 years old, and that this thing manifests. Well, before that, she's telling me she's laying in a bed, she's 16 years old, she sees behind this curtain in her bedroom what looks like the face of this woman. And it's like,

she said it was like an old woman, like a hag woman, that was dressed in all black. And she's like, she was really, really pale. And she was like, she ignored it and she tried to go to sleep. Well, minutes later, she's laying on her right hand side in the bed, and she feels something in the bed with her. And then she feels this hand going between her legs,

and she gets molested by this long, sharp finger. I mean, she described it to the teeth. Woman is in tears. And while she's telling me this, my everything inside of me is saying, hey, this is demonic. You got to get off the phone. Get off the phone. Get off the phone.

Get off the phone. Then something says, hey, stop eating your food. West, just like you and I are talking right now, a voice in my head says, hey, stop eating your food. Get up, throw it away. Get off the phone with this woman. It's almost like, I don't know if it was an ancestor or angel. Like I'm getting chills telling you the story right now.

It says, stop eating your food. Throw it away. And I've had this experience before when I was in situations where people were about to get murdered or very, very bad things were about to happen. And I've always listened to this voice. So I literally stand straight up, throw the food away. I say, I'm going to call you back. Throw the food away. I sit back now and I start to drink water.

The food that's in my throat goes down my throat. I take that back. It wasn't water. It was spright. I started to drink the sprite. The food that's in my throat goes down my throat and my throat closes. like someone is holding my esophagus clothes, Wes. And I'm like, what the hell is this?

I go to the bathroom. I'm like, okay, I'm not feeling good. I'm like, okay, maybe it's the cigar I've been smoking. But I've been smoking cigars for since 2000, Wes, this is 2015. Let me smoke the cigar for 15 years, right? So any kind of reaction I'm going to get from smoking a cigar, I've had it already. So you got to phone with her. feeling horrible.

A few minutes past, it gets shaken off. I go home or I go to my girlfriend's apartment. We hang out, blah, blah, blah, blah. We go to bed that night, West. We're laying in the bed. I'm laying on my right hand side. She's laying with her back to me. And I'm falling asleep.

In between that sleep state and that awake state, like I guess you can call the in-between is what I've been calling it. I start to feel a finger going into my mouth. No doubt about it. No questions, no nothing. I bite down, Wes, and I taste this sophyric, dirty, like dirt and metal, but it smells like sulfur. In fact, you know what it smells like the best description.

You know how your car battery and your alternator messes up and you can get that smell to your car. It's like there's a metallic kind of smell You know that smell? That's the best way to describe it It's in my nose It's in my mouth And I taste it

I reach over Because I'm laying on my right hand side I reach with my left hand And I'm grabbing towards my mouth And I feel a freaking arm And I pull And then I open my eyes And I'm like

Oh my God, what was that? What was that? What was that? What was that? What was that? And I'm like sitting there I'm thinking Because I remember I bid down I'm thinking, okay I just bit my girlfriend's finger.

So I roll over, babe. Are you all right? And she's like, why are you waking me up, dude? Go back to sleep. It's like 4 o'clock in the morning, go to bed. And now I'm freaking out because her back has turned. She's sleep. What did I just bite?

I'm like, oh, my God. So I'm like, all right, you're tripping, you're having a bad dream, go back to sleep. Wes, I try to go back to sleep. I start to fall asleep again. I feel it in my nose. A finger. I swear to God, I swear my mother's grave. My mother died of cancer.

I feel a finger go into my nose, and I can feel the tip of whatever this is, go down my nasal passage. I feel it hit my esophagus, like in my throat. I jump up, I stand up, walk straight out of that bedroom to the balcony, and I'm sitting there, and I'm like, what is going on? What is happening to me? And the only thing I could do, this is before I started talking to demonologists, This actual encounter is the reason why I ended up being friends with demon august. The only thing I could think of do was, you know, I could, I freaking turned on YouTube and put on, I typed in, you know, pastor preaching.

I think that's exactly what it was. And so I sat on this balcony. It's like 3.34 o'clock in the morning. I get a cigar and I sit there until the sun comes up listening to people preach. And this feeling of dread is like over me. Like I'm feeling it now, and I probably shouldn't be talking about it because you only empower these things, but I know how to deal with it now. This feeling of dread is over me while I'm sitting there. And you got to realize I'm sitting outside on the balcony.

There are trees above me. I'm smoking a cigar. And this feeling of utter dread, like something is there sitting across from me is there. And as these preachers preach more and more and more, it kind of subsides. It's like water that's subsiding. Like, you know how the water drains out of the tub? It's what the feeling is like that, like it's drunk. draining away. It drains. It drains. And then it gets to the base of it, and it's still this

little underlying feeling there. The fun comes up. I go inside, I go to sleep. My girlfriend wakes me up. She says, we need to eat breakfast. I don't tell her what happened because I don't want to scare her. And, you know, when it comes to the paranormal, she ignores it, West. Like, she's told me, I've seen ghosts before, and I just ignore them. I don't worry about it, right? So I'm freaked out because I know I experienced something. I called my PR person. She hooks me up with some demonologists, and I start talking to the demonologist.

The guy starts laughing. He says, you know what you did? And I'm like, no, what did I do? Excuse me. He says, you butted into this entity's business, and you got hit. And I was like, well, what do you mean? I got hit.

He said, you took a hit. He said, you'll probably take about two or three more hits, and then it'll leave you alone to send a message to you that you shouldn't have done what you did. did. And I said, is that possible? He said, oh, buddy, it's possible. He's like, you know, he said, something's going to happen. Like, you know, something's going to break. You get a flat tire. He's like, I want you to be careful for the next two weeks, and I want you to do these prayers every day, right? I leave, go back to New Orleans. I get on a plane, go back to New Orleans, like the next day.

That same day, I arrived in New Orleans, that same night, my girlfriend calls me and says, hey, I was laying in the bed, and something was touching my face, and I thought it was you in the bed with me, but I forgot you were gone. And that pisses me off. So because I'm like, okay, now you're messing with somebody I love. This is what I do. So I call the demonologist back. Wes and I say, hey, man, you know, how do I go on offense against this?

And he was like, you want to go on offense? I say, yeah, how do I go on offense? So he's like, well, this is what you do. And so I started doing it because it really upset me that it would manifest and bother her. So I've been on offense since then against demonic entities. And I built this hedge of prayer. and I have these rules that are in place. Well, I don't deal with it.

And I mean, I don't read the encounters that are demonic. I don't talk to anybody. If you call me and you have a demonic account and you try and trick me, I am belligerent about it. So, yes, sir, I have encountered some things that have shown me that you have to be careful. And the same token, it is strengthened my religious fate to a whole other level because, you know, one of the things that most people go through. do it's like it's God real, this guy care about me, does this? You know, so it's a blessing in one sense that

there's no doubt that prayer works for me. And it has worked. And I know for a fact that it's worked and I continue to do it. So yeah, bro, I know it's long-winded, but yeah, that's, you know, that's just so personal to me, Wes, that I mean, I could talk to you about that

for days. I've had multiple things that have happened to me based on conversations with people. And that's the difference in what I do when I create the horror stories versus somebody who kind of makes up a story. There's no consequence for making up a story. They can sit there and they can type it out and they can write it and then they can do whatever they want to do.

There is no price to pay for it. But when you actually go to talk to someone to gather their story, you have to open yourself up to that person, you know? You have to become one with that person in a sense. Therefore, you open yourself up to whatever that thing is at the same time. So yeah, that's very informative. You know, there's a gentleman I've been talking to, and he actually has an encounter, a demonic encounter, with two entities that really tormented this guy.

And the more and more him and I talked, the more and more, you know, unless this guy's a Bible scholar, some of the conversations you overheard, some of the, you know, and there were some bad conversations about these things wanting to kill him. But there was other conversations, too. And unless this guy's a Bible scholar, he would have no. clue what he's talking about. And it was just fascinating to listen to this guy's encounter and listen to what this guy went through. There is an account of a lady who contacted me. God, I'd love to have her on the show. And she has an alien encounter. And, I mean, a terrible alien abduction encounter.

I mean, it really is a terrible story. But this woman has physical evidence. of this thing. And she sent me pictures. And you know, when someone sent you a picture, they don't, it's not a very flattering picture of what they send you. So you know they're not necessarily looking for attention or they're not necessarily looking to, hey, can you post this on your blog? Because it's very unflattering pictures. But this woman looks like she has a microchip underneath, right behind her ear, right underneath the skin. And her daughter has one. And her husband has one. I mean, some of the most odd things I've ever heard. And then the picture she sent me, I was just like, oh, my God, you know, I don't even know

what to do in the situation. And I really think alien encounters and demonic encounters are talking about one and the same. And kind of a strange thing happened when we're on the phone. We're talking, and she's telling me this, what's happening to her. And as we're talking, the phone starts kind of not necessarily breaking up like a cell phone. I mean, it was breaking up in a different way, almost like her voice was changing. And then all of a sudden she'd come back and she'd say, you know, they don't like you, Wes.

And I was like, well, who doesn't like me? And it was really eerie to talk on the phone when it was breaking up kind of in this weird way. But, you know, I said, you know, usually people at least got to give me five minutes before they say they don't like me. You know what I mean? I was being joking about it. But at the time, I was just like, Jesus Christ, man. Like, I don't know what's going on here. You're way bold than I am.

I click, you know, they click. You know, they click. You got those old school phones or the big buttons on click. It's over. The conversation is over. I'm not. I've had that experience with people. I had two peculiar, peculiar things.

I just messed that word up. Two strange things. Let's take an easier word from you pronounce at this moment in time. Two strange types of things happening on the phone with people. I've had that where I've talked to people before, you know, I started cutting off the demonic stuff. I would have it where there would be these weird kind of distortion on the phone. And not distortion of their voice, but distortion of the signal where it was kind of like a screeching type thing going on. Yep, exactly.

And then, exactly that. And then there have been people who have called me. and I've learned what this is because I've talked to someone who explained it to me and it happens with dog man stories. There have been people who've had encounters with dogmen especially when I started getting stuff out of like Argentina and Venezuela

and I was talking to people where in the conversation, the phone would go and it would continue to do that every six minutes almost as if someone was saying, hey, you need to stop. stop talking. And it would do it over and over and over. Like it was time. It got to the point

to where I had got my other cell phone and I was talking. I was like, this is so weird. And I set a timer and six minutes on a dot, some kind of distortion. And it would do it twice, six minutes, boom. Then I would call anybody else and it wouldn't happen. And then, you know, at first my thought was, well, maybe it's because you're calling people that are out of the country. Maybe it's the signal. Maybe it's this. So I ended up talking to a guy. another guy about a big foot encounter out of Venezuela. No problem. Get back on the phone about the dog man encounter.

Same thing over and over and over again. Then talking to people in the U.S. about dog man encounters, the same thing over and over and over again. To the point to where I was like, okay, somebody's telling me that I need to get off the phone. And that's just what it boils down to. Somebody's telling me you need to get off the phone and stop talking to these people.

Month and months and months and months and months later, I end up talking to a guy who's that has access to all kinds of stuff from the government. He came to me through one of the congressmen then I know. And he actually reached out to the congressman and reached the congressman reached out to me

and doing the conversation as a congressman, he said, bro, I don't know what you're doing. I've known you since we were kids. I don't know what the hell you're doing. But the guy that called me to talk to you, take the conversation series. I'm like, okay. And he's like, take it very serious,

answer his questions. and it'll be cool. And I'm like, all right. And he starts saying, hey, man, you know, do you make up your stories? I'm like, no, I just talk to people. And he says, well, what are you in this for? I'm like, well, what do you mean? He said, what do you want out of this? I don't want anything out of them. I'm just sharing the stories. This is what I do. He said, are you looking for evidence? I said, I don't take any evidence. He said, do you take pictures? I don't have any pictures. I don't have anything. I said, I just share the stories. I say, I have a clear line drawn in the sand because there are these things that I don't, there's consequences. that I don't want to pay for entertainment. He's like, man, you're a very smart guy. And then he, over time, he starts telling me more and more and sharing a little bit and more tidbits.

And it's kind of this cryptic conversation that, like, you'll probably call me after this interview airs and say, man, you're not supposed to be talking about me. But he went into the buzzing on the phone. He says, well, you know, he said, there are these times where this technology is used that's used to harass people. It's called electronic harassment. And I was like, well, what is electronic? harassment. He said, it's a way of getting people off the phone when they don't want you to talk. And he said, electronic harassment occurs at six minute intervals. And then if you don't get off the phone, it moves to four minute intervals and two minute intervals, then one minute intervals.

He said, and most people get off the phone after the six minute intervals. He's like, so you just need to be aware of what that is. I'm like, okay, bro, thank you. So, you know, it's one of those things to where, you know, when we get into this stuff in West, I know you know these things. West, you probably, I don't know if you're comfortable when we're talking about them, but I know, I know this. But it's one of those things where people don't really understand, you know, some of the stuff that goes on behind the scenes. Yeah, well, we don't talk about that kind of stuff anymore on this show, DW.

No, it is. It's frustrating. I know exactly what you mean. I'd like to go into more details about it. I can't disagree with anything you just said. It is very frustrating. It's very, very frustrating. You know, people wonder why I don't do insider shows anymore.

Well, there's your answer. Yeah, and it's hard to get people to understand that, man, because, you know, you have to draw a line in the sand. Excuse me, because, you know, what's the value on, you know, dealing with that kind of stuff? And I think this is why I really don't have problems because I verbalize this. you know, what's the value of being a crusader for a topic or a subject that, you know,

only a small segment of the population really believe in? Absolutely. And what's the value? What's the consequences? And being involved in politics and doing some of the stuff that I've done in politics, I've seen people get destroyed. You know, they get destroyed a million-dollar contracts and somebody else can get the contract. And you get tax audits.

You get all kinds of stuff that can happen. So, you know, why go? through that for something that's such a small niche that, you know, everybody in their mom is not going to believe in. And if you were to come out with the evidence, you would be easily discredited. So it's one of those things that where I personally take a stand and, hey, I want to share the stories. Now, if you want more than a story, if you want more than entertainment, I'm not that guy, you know, but I'm going to entertain you with what I know, but, you know, we're not going to get any further than that because I'm the only person that's going to pay that consequence. You're not.

you know, I'm the only person who's going to have those auditors going through my last 15 years of tax returns looking for something. You know, I don't want to deal with that. I really don't want to deal with that. Yeah, I've run into that problems before. You know, anytime, like, for instance, you have someone from the military on and they want to share information about Sasquatch. And a lot of these situations just kind of blow up in your hand. You know, a lot of people ask me why I don't do a lot of insider shows anymore. And it's just a huge pain in the ass.

I mean, I don't know how else to put it. It's a huge pain for me to do it because not necessarily for my sake, but like the last insider show I had on, you know, they're threatened to kill this woman. They're threatened to actually did try and kill this woman. And she is a government insider. I mean, she sent me all the documentation and a lot of stuff happened behind the scenes. Most people don't realize. And I took all three shows down.

I took them all down off the website. And, you know, I just said this isn't worth it. For Sasquatch, it just doesn't make sense. And that's a smart thing, Wes You know, it really is smart Because you have to draw the line And you have to verbalize that I've discovered that verbat well

Go even deeper I did I ever tell you about the white car That set outside of my house For a week Did I ever tell you that? You know, we're going to talk about it Because now But did I ever tell you that story?

No, no, no, tell me Earlier on Right after I went to coast To Coast A.m., I was doing a whole bunch of dog man stuff and a guy called me, said, he had evidence, a dog man.

And we're just talking. You know, he's like, let me give you the evidence. I'm like, now I don't want the evidence. And he's like, well, let me give you the evidence.

I'm going to send it to you. Don't send me that evidence. God knew my address the whole nine. She'd be like, you know, he knew how to find me. He knew my real name,

government name, the whole nine. And he's like, I'm a sentence. I'm like, bro, listen to me, carefully. Don't send me a damn thing.

You know, and I'm, we're going back and forth. my sons are here. My youngest son comes to me, says, Dad, there is a white car parked outside of the house with a guy in the vehicle. And I'm like, an outside of house

he meant like on the side street next to the house. And I'm like, okay. And he was like, you know, you've been asleep but this guy's been out there all morning. He keeps looking at the house. I'm like, really? And he's like, yeah. So like whatever.

Well, we'll let a couple hours pass and if he's still there, I'll see what's up. So I come out on a porch, smoke my morning cigar. He makes eye contact with me, kind of looks at me, and he's like on this little pad or something, right? Like a little computer or something.

And I'm like, okay, you know, whatever. I go back in the house. Because, you know, I'm in the middle of the city. It could be anything. Going to house, I cook the breakfast, we start eating, and we play a few video games. And I'm thinking that this car is going to be gone. West it makes no sense for it to be there.

Well, come back out to do my midday smoke. And guess what? The car is still there. guy makes eye contact with me, rolls the window up, and it's these completely blacked out tenant windows, you can't see nothing. So now I'm starting to worry about the situation,

but I say, hey, I don't know who he is, I'm not going to worry about it. Go back inside, come back out, the car's gone. All right, cool. Next day, my kids end up going with their grandfather. I'm home alone, and the car is back. Parked in the same spot. I'm like, okay, this don't make no sense.

That car stays there for five days off and on. Finally, we get to the point, West, where I'm agitated. And I sneak out of my basement door with my weapon. I circle around the side of the house, and I come up on the back side of the vehicle, like on the driver's side door on the ankle. I know he can't see me. I say, hey, man, you've been sitting outside of my house for a very long time. Why are you here?

West, this man does not flinch. The weapon's in my hand, Wes. The man does not flinch. He smiles at me. I said, oh, Lord Jesus. I said, oh, Lord Jesus. Who is this? Because I, in the eyes, I know these eyes because I grew up with people with eyes like this.

I'm like, oh, this guy is a hitter. And so I changed my tone. I said, yo, what are you doing here? I bring my tone down because I'm like, now, this guy's not normal. And he says, he calls me by my last name. He says, man, I love your show. I'm sociopath, psychopath talk. I know it because I grew up with him.

I know it because I deal with him in politics. I know the tonality. Man, I love your show. He's excited. I mean, and in West, I don't know if you ever dealt with these kind of people, but when they pronounce words, it's exaggerated. Their mouth, it's like the words are bursting out of their mouth when they talk, right? Almost sarcastic.

Almost sarcastic, but it's like the words burst out. I love your show. And I didn't want to knock on your door because I thought that would be a little bit too much. So I wanted to make sure you saw me. And I figured based on what I know about you that eventually you will come to me, I said, oh, I'm sitting there saying, oh, love it. What do you want, my friend? And I said, for future reference, man, let's set this straight. Knock on the door and say hello.

I said because my kids have been inside and you made my eye. He's like, that is not my intention. He said, I just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy your show. And I think that, you know, what you do is amazing. What you do is great. You just need to be a little more careful with some of the stories that you're telling and some of the people that you talk to. Because some of these things are things that, you know, somebody would not like to be heard. I already know what that means.

There's no, you know, I'm not dense. I'm not dumb like a door. I know what it means. I've seen those threats being made to people before. It is the worst threat that a person can make to you. A person screaming at how number two, you do this? That is not a threat. This is a threat.

And I said, well, how long have you been listening to me? He says for about a month now. And I said, is it based on someone I've spoken to? And I don't think I've ever told anybody this, the whole story. And he said, yeah, a couple of people you talk to. And I said, would you like to tell me what the problem is? So, actually, there's no problem because you're real smart. You don't take anything.

He's like, you know, so it really is entertainment for you. He said, but initially, you know, it didn't seem like it was entertainment. I said, man, it is entertainment. I said, it's a way to make a little bit of money to pay tuition. I said, you know, I enjoy doing it. The next day, the car is gone. It hasn't been back. I got one phone call from that guy.

And the phone call, the phone call was, man, that was a great story, dude. like and it was you know it was it was it was a normal conversation about that talking about then he went on to tell me a story about when he was in a military in Afghanistan he's like could you do that story and I'm like wow this dude is off the chain so you know it's one of those things west to where you know we know and right now my phone is ringing with nobody's name on it right now but um it's one of those things to where you know you you, I confronted it. I understand the overall,

the overall chess board is the best way to say it. And that's one of the things that the listeners don't understand that, you know, this is a huge chess board that we play on and we have to be extremely prudent on what we do and how we do it. And it just goes to show you that that's what we have to do. Because, you know, there are people out there like, you know,

the story that you were referencing, who are crusaders. And then there's consequences for being a crusader. I make it clear that I'm not a crusader and I'm an entertainer and there shouldn't be any issues with that, you know? Yeah, no, I understand. Man, if I knew the conversations go this way, I would have done a completely different show.

I'll have to have you back, DW, because I could probably tell you about seven very odd things that have happened to me over my time of doing this, including one time where a guy sent me a zip drive. and I kind of felt like Will Smith and enemy of the state. I was just like, Jesus Christ now, why did you send this to me? I want to, and I actually watched it. And I'm not even going to talk about what was on the zip drive.

But I was like, you've put my life in danger by sending this to me. You think I'm going to post this on the blog? You're insane. There's no way in hell I'm posting this to the blog. And I wish I could, I don't know. I probably shouldn't go into it. But I was just like, don't, don't send this to me. Don't.

and it was kind of, I mean, if you think about enemy of the state, think about what they had on that zip drive. And I had something very, very similar sent to me. And I was sitting there thinking the whole time, like, this guy's put my life in danger, man. I don't want, I don't want this information. I don't want this to, he thinks I'm going to put it up on the blog. You're insane, man. You're completely insane. There's no way in hell I'm putting that up on the website.

And so I've had strange things. that happened to me. And it's frustrating because there's a fine line between the truth. There's, well, I'll put it to you like this. And I'm sure you can appreciate this comment, DW. There's more that goes on than you'll ever hear me say publicly on the air. There's a lot of things people will say to me. Or, you know, I recently had a guy on who said, you know, the forestry department had their own little special forces department or their own little special forces group and I didn't want to talk anymore about it you know what I mean like I don't even want to go down that path like let's just stay on topic let's just stay with the I don't want the

trouble I guess I'm getting to the point in my life where I just don't want the trouble and that's a sad thing because you know there's so much stuff off the record I think people would be shocked to hear. And you know, but you know what? It's really not about, you know, about, about us taking our stance. There's somebody who's going to come along that wants to do that and then they will do it and they'll pay the consequences for it. You know, since the beginning of the time, we as human beings have understood our self-preservation and in an industry where the monetization does not equal out to the risk, you know what I'm saying? It makes no sense to even take that risk. And not like there's enough capital to be raised or made in this to even think about going down that road,

because you don't even if somebody really slapped you with a lawsuit, you know, you would end up bleeding out of your pockets trying to defend yourself. And what people have to understand is there are so many tactics and techniques that can be used to discredit and destroy you that, you know, it's better to take a stand and leave it alone. Now, as far as somebody sending me a thumb drive or something like that, I would literally spaz out like my name was Kanye West. I'd be like, man, what is wrong with you? Are you out of your...

And then I would keep him on the phone because I know somebody's listening and I would say, you need to get this back. I do not want this. In fact, I'm going to leave it on the porch and it should disappear. Come get it. Whoever wants it, come get it.

And that would be that. Because it's not working, man. It's not working. And people, you know, the average person watches a movie. Like, you know, that Will Smith movie, they watch his TV show like the blacklist. or they watch something like scandal or something like that. And they don't realize that, man, that stuff is based on truth.

You know, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's not all fiction, you know, and they don't understand that. You know, me doing some of the things I've done in the past and making some of the network connections I've had, I know for a fact. That's why I took that strong stance in the beginning that I'm not taking evidence because I know things that will go wrong. You know, I know on a small scale and the medium scale the things that can go wrong. but on a large scale where you're about to destroy industry or destroy a public figure because you got some information. Yeah, that's not worth that, man. It's really, really not worth that. No, and it's funny because George Norrie gave me the best device ever had.

I was, him and I talked for a while on the phone, and he said, you know, Wes, walk the line, but don't step over the line. And I knew what he meant. You know, you got to walk, you can walk on the, you can play in the gray area. just don't step outside of the gray area. You know, play around in the gray area, get as much information as you can. But the moment you start coming across real information, there's real consequences for that. You know, I'll tell you this. I started on the I am dot waters.com website.

You know, there's these stories that I started. I started a story that came to me a year ago. And it's about, and it's crazy because it's about vampires here in New Orleans, right? Started doing a story. I stopped in the middle of it. Everybody's like, why you didn't finish it? Why you didn't finish it? He came to me from a retired NOP officer who was sucked into this world.

And the story turns out that it's not so much about these entities that exist in the city that people talk about forever, not like these blood-sucking vampires, but these psychic vampires. But it really gets into this child trafficking that's going on. And it gets into stuff that just, it's crazy. And so I started doing it and halfway through it. I said, you know, it's time to stop. You know, it's time to stop because I started getting the stuff and I'm doing it. I'm like, yo, you know, somebody can really look this stuff up.

And now they're going to be like, well, this guy's got all the information. And now I'm going to have a problem. And, you know, the thing about New Orleans is New Orleans has, people don't understand it, but New Orleans has an elite class that is unlike any of the elite in the nation. We have very, very, very old money here. old money. You're talking about 1800s money here.

And I know some of these people because I've done business with them and I, you know, but at the same time, I know what those people are capable of. You know, if you work on a political campaign and someone can have the police follow you around for a month waiting for you to run a red light, just because you're working on a campaign,

you know that if you touch on something else that there's, you know, more consequences and repercussions. You know, we're kind of jumping into the rabbit and hold of, you know, and I like talking to you, West, because when you and I talk, it's just like this is real. And so people kind of get the idea of the conversations, but, you know, for the audience that's listening, I think what this does is it gives people a great appreciation for what we do because there is a line that, you know, you can't even put your toe across that line without there being a problem. You know, George Norrie is right, you know, and, you know, we have to walk that line. I try and leave myself a foot between myself on that line and don't get too close to it. Yeah, and it's frustrating because, you know, we're all looking for the truth. And so there's a lot of things that I would love to share with the audience.

There's a lot of things that have come across. I'd love to share with the audience. There's been witnesses where I told them, don't come on the air. You are, it's going to be too much of a problem if you come on the air. And it's some of the best encounter stories you've never heard. I mean, stuff like government stuff. And I'll tell them, don't. And if they would ask me that two years ago, I would have said, hell yeah, I'm putting them on the air.

And now today I'm like, well, let's, you know, let's, let me think about this. Let me think about if the shoe was on the other foot. How would I react to this? And so it's kind of frustrating because, you know, in this different media of podcasting or YouTubeing, we should be free to post whatever we want. We should be free to post any show we want. but that's not necessarily the case. You know, there's some shows I've never posted because I'll stop and I'll really stop and think

about it and go, this might be too much of a hassle. This might cause me some problems. This might. And so I'll move on and just do something else. And it's frustrating. You know, us being alternative media, we should be able to step across the line. We should be able to go way outside of the gray area and start, you know, rattling some cages. but that's simply not the case.

It's simply not true. Anyone that has real information, you just don't do it. Anyone who has real information, and you know, the truth of the matter is we are able to do it. It's just that we all spawned up to the consequences. And that's the thing, you know, the beauty of having a First Amendment where you can speak to mind and do,

yes, you can do it, but there are consequences. And you have to weigh the options. And so there's nothing wrong with it. You know, and if people weigh the options more, they wouldn't have so many problems with people you just have to make smart decisions. I like doing it in this story format because there are some stories that I've shared that are 100% true that the way I did it, people are going to always question it and say,

well, that couldn't have possibly happened. No, that's 100% true, but you'll never believe it's 100% true. And I'm fine with you not believe in it's 100% but it's 120% true. And I took stuff out of the story because it didn't belong in the story. So that's why I love doing it in the story format because, you know, when I was in my early 20s, my mentor told me, say, man, anytime you want to share information with a person, share it to them in story format. And that way it's easily digestible. And they swallow it and they take it and they don't fight you on it. So I tell people all the time, there is truth in every one of my stories.

And if you listen close enough, you hear exactly what's going on. but I am not going to make it plain for you to a point to where it's where I'm just like, oh, this is what happened. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Use your imagination. Use your intelligence. And you will have my body of work gives you everything you will ever need to know about a number of cryptids. Dogman, Bidfoot, in particular.

I mean, everything is there. I mean, literally everything is there. It's just that the person has to get beyond the fact that it's a story. You have to extract the truth out of it. But I'm not going to type it out for you on a piece of paper and post it anywhere. That just makes no sense, you know? Yeah. Because there's no risk associated.

For you, there's no risk. For me, there's all the risk in the world. Yeah, and DW did a great job. And for the audience out there, if they go to YouTube, type in Dark Waters, you can definitely listen to hours and hours and hours. And DW does a great job at recounting the stories. So go to YouTube, subscribe to Dark Waters. Definitely check out his videos.

I listen to him all the time. DW, thanks for coming on, ma'am. Awesome, man. And they can follow me on Facebook at Backslash DockH201. That's the same thing on Twitter. Make sure you check out the website at IAMDogWorders.com. Check out the YouTube channel. And I appreciate you having me on, buddy.

I really do. No, I appreciate you coming on. Thanks so much, ma'am. All right. Thanks, buddy. I'll talk to you soon. And that's it for tonight, everyone. And remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email.

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